More opportunities to talk to her means more of those scenes lol
#h1-story-discussion
errant mango
opal turtle
Really? I feel like she still doesn't show up unless I encounter her for a fight. Like at least as backup for one of her sisters on EM
errant mango
Yeah she's showed up a couple times at the house without appearing in a run, as a boss or keepsake summon
eternal breach
I had none
Other than the one for each
Thats meant to happen
And im just sitting here like
Give me them
Ples
grabby hands
errant mango
I've had 5 or 6 Than scenes so far. Help.
plain palm
hey how does charon's keepsake look now?
errant mango
I have no idea lol I guess I just play a lot?
tired hemlock
there are than scenes?
opal turtle
I guess Im just curious as to where all these new voicelines are. Cause I've played for 160+ hours now and I feel like I've already exhausted all the new stuff.
Though I guess a lot of i might be just small Zag lines
eternal breach
I JUST WAMNT DEATH BOYFRNF AND BAT GRRFLRN
opal turtle
Have now maxed out every characters affection gauge now though which I'm proud of.
Only Demeter is left unfinished for obvious reasons
eternal breach
Anyways zag should probably keep a lock on his chambers
Does he even have a door.
open tiger
No
eternal breach
Like can anyone just wander into his bedroom
errant mango
Doesn't look like there's a door SO
tired hemlock
should be a contractor item
opal turtle
Lmao finally give the guy some privacy
eternal breach
HONESTLY IF I WAS LIVING IN T H A T HOUSEHOLD I WOULDNT SURVIVE WITHOUT LOCKABLE DOORS
opal turtle
Plus his step mum is always standing outside
Dude never has the chance to do anything
Oh god
eternal breach
Also lord hades has been to zags room cause we know from narrator that he was grumping about zags mess
errant mango
Oh that's kinda awkward
tired hemlock
need the privacy to but that aphro poster to use
opal turtle
Nyx must hear when Zag and Meg/Than go at it
eternal breach
Though knowing parents hades probably knocked once if ever and barged in
opal turtle
Poor Goth Mum
eternal breach
Meg: walking into the chamber
Nyx: 😉
Meg: oh god mom stop
split nova
So.. I beat the game.. is there going to be an ending or a continuation past the end post-launch?
open tiger
There will be something more, yes!
opal turtle
Oh my god I forgot she's BOTH their mum
eternal breach
So.. I beat the game.. is there going to be an ending or a continuation past the end post-launch?
@split nova
Yes
split nova
Awesome then
eternal breach
👍 theyre saving the ending for the launch
open berry
the ending is planned for 1.0 bc implementing any part of it before then will spoil it haha
opal turtle
Yeah right now we've got the Early Access endings where the narrator kills Zag in ever increasingly hilarious ways
split nova
Exciting news! :)
errant mango
I'm gonna miss the narrator deaths honestly
opal turtle
I hope they get compiled somewhere
Should ask SuperGiant to make a youtube compilation
open tiger
They probably are?
open tiger
I'm sure tatz at least has the dialogue listed :P
opal turtle
My favourite is a tie between the one where Zag runs into a wall painted as the exit, or the one where he remembers his previous deaths so vividly that he dies for real
open tiger
XD
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I HAVENT GOTTEN THAT SECOND ONE OH MY GOD
opal turtle
It's so good
errant mango
The banana death is still one of my favorites
eternal breach
Rake
eternal breach
Rake and beetle
errant mango
Both are good
eternal breach
Also death by boredom
open tiger
Chariot, after losing 3 DD to EM3 Theseus :P
nova turtle
How do you unlock cerberus and achilles last heart?
plain palm
banana death is the best
eternal breach
Also 'YOU CANT JUST KEEP KILLING ME YOULL RUN OUT OF IDEAS'
opal turtle
@nova turtle Keep petting Cerberus
plain palm
cerberus you gotta pet a lot
opal turtle
Achilles is tied to the Patroclus quest
eternal breach
the h i n t i g n o r i n g p r i n c e
opal turtle
So you gotta talk to Patroclus a bunch
errant mango
Is reuniting Eury & Orpheus also part of it?
opal turtle
It might be
errant mango
As in something you gotta do before you can help Patty & Achilles
tired hemlock
i generally love when the narrator stutters or loses his flow and the endings have a lot of those
opal turtle
@tired hemlock The Prince falls into a pit of, eeerm, deadly spears.
errant mango
F U N G U S...?
vapid parcel
you have to either free sysiphus or reunite orpheus and eurydice
eternal breach
I swear my brain blanked and combined eury and orphy into Eurypheus
vapid parcel
agsggdhd
eternal breach
There's the ship name
opal turtle
Pfft, no thanks, I'm an Orphidice guy
errant mango
Eurypheus and uh Patchilles?
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Achiclus
vapid parcel
patrochilles is what u use
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GESUNDHEIT
vapid parcel
*I
eternal breach
LMAO
opal turtle
Megreus
vapid parcel
Zanatos
errant mango
I like Zagaera
eternal breach
Ah yes that guy from naruto. Zageara
vapid parcel
agsggdhf
eternal breach
Its their su fusion
open tiger
Excuse me I said gesundheit first >:3
eternal breach
Wait if ||life and death fuse do they cancel each other out||
opal turtle
Oh god
eternal breach
Fusion ha and theres just air
vapid parcel
danke dir auch xP
opal turtle
While Zag and Than go at it, every mortal enters a state of lifelessness and deathlessness
vapid parcel
so shades
open tiger
Hahaha
opal turtle
Nah Shades are dead right?
eternal breach
They must really be going at it a lot cause i feel dead while being alive a lot
opal turtle
Thats a mood if I ever heard one
eternal breach
I know i promised myself no self deprecating humor but that was too easy qhshhahshd
opal turtle
Lmao just got my message halted for swearing
open tiger
Yup that'll happen
eternal breach
Clean server
opal turtle
My foul mouth is getting me introuble
analog anvil
In a flashback and Hades' sprite just shifted to his desk one, but there's no desk so half of him is just hovering in the air with a bunch of paper around him
👌 done
open tiger
o7
analog anvil
Or being done, if the progress bar would get moving
open tiger
Oof
analog anvil
And finished while I was typing, typical
opal turtle
F10 oddly has never worked for me. Like ive encountered bugs and pressed it but nothing ever happens
vapid parcel
you might need to tab out of the game
analog anvil
Worked for me once the light blue screen that popped up stopped searing my eyes
vapid parcel
it doesn't appear in front
open tiger
Also what Laddies said
vapid parcel
uwu
analog anvil
Because I hit f10 to submit the bug report and my eyes aaaah
open tiger
Does the game pause when you press f10?
open tiger
Controls are in the pause menu, press Escape
Okay, then it's not bound
If it is bound, bring that up in #h1-tech-support
plain palm
i absolutely love how hermes is getting more love since he became more involved in the plot after the blood price update
opal turtle
Shall try and fix it next time I ecounter a bug
opal turtle
Yeah I love how they've put more story into his association with Charons
plain palm
hermes is easily my favorite olympian overall and in hades as well
opal turtle
Plus I recently had some dialogue from him hinting at Skelly which was mysterious
analog anvil
It's Zeus I talk to for the thing with the gun right?
vapid parcel
yep
analog anvil
got it, thunder signet for every run for a while it is
plain palm
hermes is baby but he's gon' make you pay in more ways than you can imagine
vapid parcel
honestly the way hermes always says "professional associate" makes it sound... not professional
plain palm
how professional can hermes be anyway
opal turtle
I mean, Charon can't speak. If they can't communicate verbally, why not physically
vapid parcel
tho also, hermes does say at one point that charon told him sth
so he seems to be able to understand him
analog anvil
Zag can understand Charon fine too
errant mango
Sort of
opal turtle
Can he though? Feel like he just sort've acts like he does for jokes
open tiger
I think it's a bit of both
tired hemlock
don't think he does
opal turtle
Just interprets Charons groaning as whatever he wants
errant mango
Zag talks with 
soooo
opal turtle
Hermes is definitely able to fully understand him though
plain palm
no zag def understands him but it's more of a habit i think
open tiger
Okay but Bouldy is a real, living boulder
opal turtle
Yeah but Bouldy just talks normally lol whats to understand
open tiger
Seriously
errant mango
Oh yeah you're right
opal turtle
Or that yes
The game has built in TARDIS functionality yes
For everyone except Charon
plain palm
λιστεν λαδ
plain palm
now i wonder what achilles would say in ancient greek instead of 'lad'
vapid parcel
boyo
open tiger
XD
opal turtle
I wanna say one but Proxy would not allow it lmao
open tiger
Oof
opal turtle
But it's what us Brits and the Australians say a lot
errant mango
Oh.
open tiger
Ahh
eternal breach
Oh no
vapid parcel
:/
open tiger
Nah, I don't think so
vapid parcel
achilles is polite
open tiger
Yee
opal turtle
Lmao i love how everyone immediately knows what i mean
That word is just not a big deal to us at all
open tiger
You mentioned Aussies
vapid parcel
patroclus on the other hand
opal turtle
We say it as much as mate
plain palm
φιλος is my best guess but it's kinda dull compared to lad or boyo
open tiger
I'm sorry do you know Greek?!
eternal breach
The frequency of which Zag says mate with makes me think of aussie zag
opal turtle
it's actually hilarious how much Zag says 'mate'
plain palm
i've learned ancient greek in my uni, yes :D
opal turtle
SuperGiants take on how English people talk is hilarious
open tiger
That's incredible
open tiger
Other than the not-slang definition of mate
eternal breach
*At last. I have finally reached the lair of the feared God of Blood. I drag myself on the volcanic cliff of the daemon's domain, mustering every last bit of my strength. But alas. It is not enough. I collapse on the chilled lava, thinking about how I will never be able to ask the forgotten God for help.
There is darkness, for so long, and then... A voice.*
"Uh you okay there mate?"
opal turtle
Imagine Zag as an Olympean
plain palm
do you write fanfic by any chance
opal turtle
just Dionysus but less wasted
eternal breach
Not really
plain palm
this is beautiful ngl
open tiger
Mood
opal turtle
I'm the exact same
I write critiques and analysis just fine but stories i lose motivation with
eternal breach
I do love the thought of grown zag with fully realized powers over his domain though
opal turtle
I'm actually putting together a video essay script about SuperGiant games
eternal breach
OwO
opal turtle
Progress is slow but im liking what i have so far
I liked that message better when it just said Owl
eternal breach
🦉
opal turtle
Better
open tiger
that'd be a doozy xD
errant mango
Hemomancy. What would that even look like?
eternal breach
Oh hell ysah
errant mango
Pocket bloodstones
open tiger
or Percy when he was in Tartarus (Percy Jackson)
errant mango
Just throw em
eternal breach
Being able to either use his blood to heal or to infect others with it and cause boiling blood
open tiger
anyway, I'm off, gonna actually do a run xD
eternal breach
Gogogo
opal turtle
Good luck
open tiger
I'm thinking a GY no boons...
eternal breach
I was doing one but had to stop due to the combo of intense headache and unfamiliar weapon
opal turtle
I increase the sincerity behind my prior "Good luck"
open tiger
xD
I'm allowing hammers and chaos though
so it shouldn't be too bad
or actually, y'know what
I'm gonna finish unlocking the rest of teh aspects
opal turtle
Gonna use Shattered Shackle all the way through?
open tiger
I have a few to try out still
and nah, for No Boons runs I do Egg until Styx
then shackle
opal turtle
Oh damn which ones don't you have?
open tiger
a few, lemme see
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egg
open tiger
I still haven't even tried Eris or Hestia
open tiger
ah, that's what I was doing
I finished last night with unlocking Hades, so I would use it
errant mango
Chaos is trolling me
tired hemlock
yep me too, egg just removes chaos from the game
open tiger
I did my first Hera run yesterday, was absolutely brutal
opal turtle
Eris I used to use a fair bit
eternal breach
Patch notes: chaos removed from the game
open tiger
finished with 7 bloodstones
analog anvil
Thanatos please, why do you only ever show up when I have the gun and can't kill things super fast
errant mango
I love Hestia but idk what's going on with the reload recently
It feels clunky all of a sudden
eternal breach
TRIPLE BOMB
open tiger
lol
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SPREADFIRE
eternal breach
Dont think they do
open tiger
my first win with LeBron rail was with Hazard Bomb
errant mango
My first and only heat 32 win was a hazard bomb run I think
opal turtle
I only tend to enjoy non-L------ aspect Rail when I get Triple Rockets
open tiger
is there a way to check if I've cleared with a specific aspect?
opal turtle
God I can't even get to Theseus on 32 Heat
At least not with only 7 minutes per region
eternal breach
Dude stoppp my highest heat is 8
opal turtle
I've done 16 Heat with bow
errant mango
I didn't play with the time limit on. Elysium becomes too rough
eternal breach
I cant brain enough for heat i just wanna pumch
open tiger
is there a way to check if I've cleared with a specific aspect?
errant mango
Maybe the archives?
eternal breach
Uhhh admin chamber?
opal turtle
Other than going back through the Security logs i dont think so yeah
opal turtle
I'd like a better way to go through the logs tbh
Though I think it only tracks mine up to a point
errant mango
I'm sure it'll get tweaked as time goes on
opal turtle
Cause it definitely doesn't take into account runs past a certain date
Oh nice
Specifically clears?
open tiger
I've got a nice curve on mine though
opal turtle
Yeah Hades aspect for Spear is actually decent now
open tiger
opal turtle
The spin attack is so huge
open tiger
hahaha
opal turtle
I have barely used that Aspect at all
errant mango
Chiron is really good
open tiger
I'll have to do more runs with Hera to really compare them
but yeah, I like Chiron xD
opal turtle
Ngl in terms of how much fun I have playing them, I'd rank bow aspects as so
open tiger
probably a third of those Chaos runs were no boons runs
opal turtle
1: Rama, 2: Hera, 3: Zag/Chiron
open tiger
anyway, I'm off ^.^
errant mango
From my personal experience, the best and the worst bow runs are Hera runs because you either get that cast going or you don't
opal turtle
Good luck
open tiger
time to beat the dad with his old stick
open berry
no boon runs sounds like something that would make my soul exit this plane of existence
errant mango
Like suddenly you're in Elysium with no Hera cast, wondering what went wrong
open tiger
^.^
open berry
boons are half the fun of the game for me ):
eternal breach
Yes
opal turtle
I've never tried it but with the new update to the Shackle, and with Chaos shield, I don't think it'd be too hard on lower heats
open tiger
the harder part is when you also take out hammers and chaos
open berry
so basically what youre saying here is youre a masochist
opal turtle
That means yes
eternal breach
Mhm
open berry
eternal breach
opal turtle
Like unequivocally yes
tired hemlock
fun for masochists
open tiger
also power shot shield is broken
open berry
only masochists go on no boon/hammer runs 🤧
eternal breach
You have a point
open tiger
seriously though, 80 * 500% damage is insane
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open tiger
combo that with some attack% chaos boons
I can easily top 1K damage with the shield's attack
open berry
i am continually baffled as to what emotion resident zag is supposed to evoke. like, i know the resident sleeper meme but.
open tiger
yes
eternal breach
I dont know the meme
open tiger
the emotion of yes
open berry
eternal breach
I dont know the meme and i feel like i see this emoji as something its not
open berry
perhaps
open tiger
I need to catch up on that
eternal breach
Please show me the meme im begging
open tiger
anyway bye for real I need to actually get through this >.<
eternal breach
Bebey
open tiger
lmao Zag just said bye everyone Okay I'm actually gone now
open berry
bye you masochist 
eternal breach
Every time zag and i say/think something similar i go feral
plain palm
no hammers run actually sounds not that bad with certain aspects... i should try it one day
open tiger
FFS
I GOT MY THIRD EVER CHAOS FISH
MY FIRST SINCE THE UPDATE
AND IT'S ANOTHER PROJELLY
Okay. Supergiant peeps. I just want you to know. Whoever voices Hermes is an absolute legend.
https://imgur.com/qyMP05v
open tiger
okay
SGG people, can you tell Andrew Marks that they're doing a wonderful job with Hermes? ^.^
analog anvil
Is there a benefit to unlocking the administrative chamber or is it just there?
open berry
if you want to delve deeper into some character backstory and eventually max out everyones affinity, yeah it is required. but as far as gameplay only, you can ignore it
but you may as well get it, its true
knock out some prophecies and get rewarded 
open tiger
okay walking into a Trial Room with Chaos' Enshrouded active was so surreal
analog anvil
Hy theres the gun aspect
ancient folio
Been thinking this and the Milton quote just reminded me but I really appreciate SGG for the balls to toss in a biblical reference.
And I love how all the npcs are wary of the aspect too lol.
fast idol
love how its basically
"Noo you can't use the fires of another hell, it seethes with more rage than you'll ever understand"
Zag: Haha laser gun goes bzzzz
thin shadow
If you really think about it, not just brush it off or whatever - without giving it a minute..
The plot/drive of Hades is very much the movie 'Whiplash', is it not?
Oh man.. that flick was great...
clear oracle
- Lord Hades now slams his desk disapprovingly when he believes it is warranted
Most important update, obviously
thin shadow
obviously! finally someone gets it!
vernal compass
I just got the Dusa bedroom scene and that was not how I expected that relationship to go
open berry
yeah all the gods have dialogue for you being on low health, the bosses do too. ares is, of course, excited to see you in a state of near death and wants to hear all about it
vernal compass
I didnt know the bosses comment on your low health
Ive gotten alot of the gods doing it
atomic forge
Alecto's is great.
open berry
i know meg, alecto and theseus all have unique dialogue for when zag enters the chamber on low hp
cant remember hades off the top of my head
vernal compass
I guess Ive never entered a boss with low enough HP
open berry
if you've seen meg and hypnos convo, theres even a low hp meg dialogue where zag says she sounds like hypnos lol
fathom current
Guys I can't believe Zagreus can sing the same as Orpheus
jade slate
ive never lost hp in hades ever so i didnt know there was dialogue for it
normal horizon
Hey guys, I've got a question about reputation. I've gotten to the point where I've got a lock on the heart with Sisyphus and I had a ||cutscene with him and Meg,|| but I don't know where to go from here. Any tips? I've talked to him a lot since then
jade slate
talk to him more
until theres a line where zag expresses regret and wishes he could help him
then i think hades meg and nyx will have lines
nyx will give you something about his contract location in admin chamber(you also need to unlock this)
then go to admin chamber and find it
normal horizon
oh, okay
jade slate
in conclusion just do more runs
normal horizon
admin chamber is unlocked by doing what?
jade slate
house contractor
administrative chamver
should be first tab
its the door all the way to the left
normal horizon
okay
i might not have unlocked that at him yet, just finished the first wave of diamond stuff
jade slate
not sure if you need the chamber to progress the storyline but id wager it probably factors in there somewhere
in general everything in the first tab should be upgraded asap
so
solar depot
ty to this update for reminding me that i ship megnos 🥺
normal horizon
i ship forbidden thangreus
solar depot
zagthan is a thing of beauty
normal horizon
which is... weird without context, but it's greek myth so there are officially no rules
jade slate
hadeus for me
solar depot
please no
i'm so glad for all the hypnos content in general this time round 
not to derail from the previous topic! carry on
jade slate
watch the plot twist in 1.0 being that zag was just some random farmboy that fell into the underworld and hades took care of because it was his responsibility
he doesnt have god powers or anything hes just some dude
solar depot
feet? they're just on fire
jade slate
after walking in lava for so long you get some benefits
thats why hades doesnt want the olympian gods to know anything
normal horizon
persephone is demeter's daughter? ceres' daughter? idr
jade slate
theyd be pissed if they figured out they lent their powers to the equivalent of a hick
demeter
normal horizon
but related to goddess of the harvest
could have legs lol
maybe he's just a fisherman
explains his prowess with the rod
atomic forge
Thanks, Poseidon. https://gyazo.com/e5a3eddeb98fe2f89f53446c6337e198
gilded oracle
Poseidon is just like I remember him from Age of Mythology. Thank you Poseidon very cool.
open berry
that name is still giving me whiplash
ancient mesa
Lol I can change it if you want
fickle comet
Let Zag gift it to Hypnos.
ashen latch
That would be neat
Quest line where you get Asterius to sign a banner
Then give it to Hypnos
autumn void
sorry hypnos but i am keeping the banner for myself
lapis smelt
I'm at the point where Theseus is sulking and convinced that Zag is trying to woo Asterius away from him. It's hilarious.
fickle comet
Well, he's not wrong.
dense sparrow
wait hes not wrong?
ancient mesa
Are you NOT trying to steal Asterius?
open berry
dunno about yall but im not
dense sparrow
no, im trying to kidnap him
vernal compass
Cant say that I am. He's a big man that can make his own decisions. Asterius is not a piece of property that you can just steal
ancient mesa
I am going to steal the bull
fickle comet
Zagreus keeps trying to persuade Asterius. So yeah, he's not wrong really.
open berry
for consideration: asterius is the only thing keeping theseus from immediately ramping up 10 levels in obnoxiousness. dont steal the bull if you want to retain some of your sanity
vernal compass
Well its more trying to figure out why he puts up with Theseus in the first place
open berry
hes explained his point tho
vernal compass
Oh I know, Ive seen that dialouge
open berry
zag even asked him why he put up with it and asterius basically implies its not zag's place to judge
vernal compass
Yeah and that he generally respects Thes' strength
Even if he's an idiot
That last part wasnt exactly said by Astereus
dense sparrow
wait, so among the deceased heroes (famous ones at least) is only Theseus stupid enough to try to stop zag? or is he really the strongest of elysium?
vernal compass
He's the Champion
fickle comet
Patroclus explained that basically all of Elysium believes is some kind of monster son of Hades that got locked away and mustn't escape or something to that effect.
open berry
also zag snarks at hades and asks, what, couldnt get anyone else to do your dirty work? so ye
vernal compass
And also are you forgeting all the shades and such that are trying to kill you on the way to Thes
fickle comet
He's not really an idiot but very misguided.
plain palm
thes is just the most bored hero in elysium
vernal compass
He's a bit of an idiot
open berry
heres that bit nyaa mentioned 0: ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721052413854875790/723739104394739762/20200619222007_1.jpg||
vernal compass
I actually just got that text a couple runs ago
dense sparrow
wait, so theseus basically beats all of the trojan heroes, demigods and stuffs to become the champ of elysium, or did the other just...not compete?
open berry
its pretty funny honestly
vernal compass
Yeah I love that
fickle comet
Unclear. We only know that he's the Champion.
plain palm
i feel like every hero in elysium is just minding their business
and theseus has no chill
open berry
we also only know that he remains champion no matter how many times zag beats him lmao, and zag openly wonders about that
vernal compass
I just got that line earlier too
open berry
im so glad they added it
dense sparrow
maybe...zag is defending his title bc thes waants it back?
vernal compass
Zag just outright asks him how he is still champ
open berry
no zag never becomes champion
bold niche
well, Zag is champion of the whole underworld then
plain palm
good morning volus
bold niche
hi ppl
fickle comet
Elysium in the game is a bit of a deconstruction of the Greek hero.
bold niche
noone really knows, what does glory mean
what's it like to be hero
definitions vary
plain palm
i mean the minor shades in elysium clearly didn't get enough action in life
heroes did and are just chillin'
except theseus
that's how i imagine it
dense sparrow
in the game i would see that its kinda like Valhalla in a way tbh
bold niche
i imagine Elysium like.. some comical representations of ancient wars.. hordes trying to collide, rolling over each other, then scatter.. then start all over from boredom
and others are watching it
chilly hawk
The underworld does seem to favour warriors a lot more
plain palm
well, there are non-warriors in elysium
bold niche
yoloing into the enemy lines mostly
plain palm
guess you could say they just blew up
dense sparrow
chariots riders became 1 with the chariot i would imagine
prime mulch
i kept getting Aphrodite and Persephone mixed up
plain palm
it seems like the worst fate in underworld awaits you if you're basic
you just burn in asphodel forever
bold niche
well, it was okay there.. untill some point
dense sparrow
asphodel is the fields of ash, not fire
autumn void
or you wait in erebus literally forever
thanks codex for teaching me that this is possible for some
plain palm
tartarus should be worse, but it doesn't feel like
chilly hawk
and only a select few bloodless find themselves in tartarus
bold niche
we don't see how people are tortured in the depths, so..
plain palm
shades in tartarus are mainly just chillin' in cages, not burning forever
we see how people are tortured in the flames tho
chilly hawk
they do seem to have their appearance warped the most
plain palm
always disturbing to see the magma skeleton trying to climb out
bold niche
well.. i see that most of them are chilling in lava as well
dense sparrow
well, i dont think they have enough cognition left to feel, the normal ones that is, the myths about the fields of ash always tell of shades wandering around with no remembrance of their former selves
plain palm
wouldn't call that a chill personally
chilly hawk
Yeah
open berry
aspho shades be like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/728489133340622898/IMG_20200510_025424.jpg
plain palm
oh btw do we have a canon explanation to why are some people shades, some are skeletons and some have full-on souls?
dense sparrow
because: artistic license, they were not spposed to be like that
autumn void
i mean isn't shade mostly a term to refer to dead people in the underworld, in general
like achilles is called a shade by those in the house
etc.
bold niche
bloodless - skeletons - are people who were not buried properly, and they can't fully transform
autumn void
yeah
bold niche
it's not even the worst way to end up with
plain palm
souls are weird tho
the circle pattern reminds me of neoplatonism and that would kinda explain why it's only the elysium shades who have souls
but i think that's too deep
bold niche
i had a theory that the more memory remains after person dies, the more humanlike the person will look
like, Achilles or Orpheus are remembered even still
and names of thousands of them didn't even made it for today, not to say of their lives and personalities
so they are amorphous now
chilly hawk
Which raises the question for sisyphus
autumn void
that's an intriguing theory but i think the difference is mainly stylistic, really
bold niche
well, people remember him.. with a negative sign, but they do
chilly hawk
I suppose he would be well known, yeah
plain palm
i dunno about negative, i've always pitied him
chilly hawk
He's just kinda chilling
I admire his ability to stay positive despite everything
After all, he's in tartarus, for the title's sake
bold niche
looks like his punishment changed him
autumn void
he's had a lot of time to reflect
plain palm
i wonder how is prometheus doing in sgg's canon
autumn void
he has some very humble lines about how he was a pretty terrible king
chilly hawk
prometheus is having a bad day/night/eternity
plain palm
wish him well
bold niche
haven't Heracles freed him?
seems like game takes place after his deeds
so now they should be cool with Zeus, and he is living somewhere among others
suggestion: Prometheus for 2nd npc in Asphodel
like Leuce for Elysium
he should be okay there
autumn void
zag every single time afterwards: "wow 😳 "
supple dagger
I will say, the way the shades look between the three realms is neat. Shades in Tartarus are cloaked figures (like the old "sprite missing" models that some of the characters had before updates), Asphodel has what I'm thinking is "candlewax" appearance, and shades in Elysium look ready to commit... whatever mafia crimes they have in their minds. They're all mobsters in disguise with their fancy hats.
Also that's just Meg "inspecting your room."
bold niche
Zag: standing near the mirror with a lit candle on the top of his head
Meg: blows out the candle from opposite side of Zag's room with her whip
Zag: wow..
supple dagger
what's even funnier is I can seeeeee that.
autumn void
lmao
jade slate
i really wanna see zag react to what sisyphus was put into tartarus for
jade slate
wait im thinking of tantalus my bad
eternal breach
Tantalus is worse than sisy isnt he
Like in terms of his crime
Yup def worse
I mean not in terms of damage done but
dense sparrow
not really, their crimes are different in category
eternal breach
In terms of how gruesome his crime was
dense sparrow
well, i forgot he cooked Pelops
dense sparrow
is he delicious?
eternal breach
I mean ||Demeter had a bit.||
||She was distraught over the loss of perse, leave her be||
dense sparrow
ngl i would eat him, the description sounds good
eternal breach
Shrew im gonna drag you to tartarus myself
dense sparrow
wait, so why is Tantalus' punishment not bein able to eat or drink, does it symbolize something? Sisyphus' was symbolizing the futility of trying to escape death, sos he can never finish his task.
eternal breach
Huh
Honestly not sure
Well he was yeeted for bringing that to the table of the gods and for stealing nectar and ambrosia so i guess the food/drink connection is there?
dense sparrow
i guess some people would wanna eat that tho
dense sparrow
if Patroclus was a crab, would Achilles' pet name for him Krabby Patty?
jade slate
i mean he kinda forced the gods to eat his kids
so i guess they decided he wont be able to eat again
or something
chilly hawk
It's not just that he can't eat again
He's forced to spend eternity with food and drink always out of his reach
eternal breach
Ok what was achilles' weak point again like whats it called in english
chilly hawk
his achilles' heel?
chilly hawk
Huh
open tiger
Aww :D
chilly hawk
That's really cool!
dense sparrow
conspiracy theory time!
chilly hawk
In a wrestling match that would take a whole new meaning
eternal breach
Great now i want an achilles patroclus wrestling match
dense sparrow
well, they didnt have wrestling tho
dense sparrow
pankration is the closest thing arti
Pankration (/pænˈkreɪtiɒn, -ˈkreɪʃən/; Greek: παγκράτιον) was a sporting event introduced into the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC and was an empty-hand submission sport with scarcely any rules. The athletes used boxing and wrestling techniques, but also others, such as kicking and holds, locks and chokes on the ground.
eternal breach
Honestly doubt pat has any chance but i like to think the two fought for fun
Patroclus says smth dumb and achilles is just like ALRIGHT YOURE GOIN DOWN
bold niche
tendon?
Ok what was achilles' weak point again like whats it called in english
chilly hawk
Flirt-wrestling
dense sparrow
honestly i would think it like this: they do Pankration but since they cant die so they just like
Achilles: You are ded bro
Pat: So are you
bold niche
oh god.. it loaded
eternal breach
okay but. Zag and Achilles fighting honestly mostly for the fun of it
eternal breach
Achilles: doing his stuff
The hyperactive demon child sneaking up behind him to jump him: >:D
dense sparrow
...achilles literally only stand between two pots doin nuffin
eternal breach
Zag jumps achilles effortlessly grabs him and yeets
tulip vault
just started the theseus and asterius fight with extreme measures on for the first time
what the ffff am i looking at lmao
tulip vault
definitely gonna take a few tries to get through this one
waxen urchin
lmao is it a coincidence or not that Theseus blamed me of trying to ruin their friendship when I come to the fight with Unhealthy Fixation?
jade slate
asterius really hates the call
also that series of convos with theseus is extremely good
probably one of my favourite exhanges in the game
nova turtle
how many times do I have to pet cerberus to unlock final heart?
bold niche
around 50 or so, 1 time per run
as i've heard
important question guys.. after that chat with Orpheus, where Zag asked him for forgiveness for prying into their business.. like Than said
did Orpheus want to ask someone for help? did they both wanted to be together?
vapid parcel
than said that zag didn't know if they wanted to be together and that he could have made it worse bc personal stuff is hard
bold niche
every psychologist i've talked with, says that "if they don't make attempts to do anything, they don't want it"
vapid parcel
well, thing is that sometimes you're not in a position to do anything, yk? orpheus might not have wanted to ask such a thing of a friend, or was just unsure cause they couldn't really communicate
i think that zag should have asked him before changing the contract, but that's exactly what gets adressed here
this is about zag feeling the need to help everyone and fix everything, which iirc is sth that kids with abusive parents tend to do sometimes
bold niche
i'm 80% sure that Orpheus would've said something like "no, it's okay, i'm fine, i'll get through it", and Eurydice something like "absolutely not, i don't even want to hear about him anymore"
vapid parcel
eurydice actually said if zag wants to try he can
bold niche
and it would be a right thing for Zag to stop there
vapid parcel
she gives him her okay, but doesn't hold her breath that he can do sth
bold niche
does that mean that she actually wanted to be with Orpheus again?
i mean, now they are both sure
vapid parcel
yeah, she did say if zag wanted to try change their situation, he could go for it
bold niche
but then
so, that means, that Than is not 100% right, because he didn't know everything about the situation?
also, i still doubt that Orpheus would've ask for help, even if he wanted to
does that mean that he didn't want to?
vapid parcel
can't find it :/
that's kinda the whole point tho, zag overstepped and while he did a good thing in the end, he should have asked
bold niche
but if he asked, it would be better to not do anything, wouldn't it?
fickle comet
You don't always ask for the things you want.
vapid parcel
i mean, personally i think he should have told him like "hey eurydice said it'd be okay if i tried fixing this" but like, that's the whole point of zag apologizing about it
orpheus seems to think he doesn't deserve to see her anymore, why would he ask?
fickle comet
All of his woes were from not being able to ever see her again and having "failed" her.
vapid parcel
^^
bold niche
well, that's one of the points.. is it a good thing to help someone who is not okay, if he don't ask about it and says no when asked, but it's obvious enough, that it's not true, and there are enough signs of that
it's too serious
and how could his "no" be explained?
when it's just a defensive "no", meaning "i can't even if i wanted to"
"i have no means to do it"
"what i want is impossible"
fickle comet
There was never any real risk for Orpheus and Eurydice anyway. Than was really exaggerating. Lady Nyx wasn't gonna betray Zagreus when he told her he wanted to help. Worst case she would have just said nope.
bold niche
well, that's true
vapid parcel
i think he meant the risk of them being hurt by seeing the other
not by being punished
fickle comet
If Orpheus didn't want to see her, he could have chosen not to go.
Zagreus at least gave him the choice.
vapid parcel
well yes, but that doesn't mean that seeing each other can't hurt, sometimes you end up hurting each other if you realise sth changed
fickle comet
Fear is for the weak.
ashen latch
On brand for Orpheus tbf, like his fear of losing Eurydice the first time around is what made him turn around
And subsequently mess up the rescue attempt
fickle comet
You must not be a Gryffindor. 
vapid parcel
nope i am xD
but still, all emotions are valid and you have reason for them
it's just a personal pet-peeve sorta
bold niche
fear, cautiousness and cowardness are different things
glacial cedar
Yo achilles really hates onions
dense sparrow
achilles is uncivilized just for that tbh
junior field
it's cause he tried to eat em as apples, raw
dense sparrow
raw onions is delicious
fallen prairie
I defeated Hades for the first time and sorta experienced the soft side big daddy hides all the time.
fickle comet
And then his cold side again when 15 seconds later he ||pretends that nothing happened||. 
fallen prairie
Ye
dense sparrow
well, its not just showing his cold side, but its a necessity, if the fact that the god of dead can be beaten is known, hell will be too chaotic with souls wanting to return
fickle comet
Beaten by a god who is also his son.
I think that one is just due to ongoing Underworld Renovations.
fallen prairie
He did bonk Skelly in one hit after that apparently, so can't say if the shades will dare.
glacial cedar
How does one unlock sis. At this point i've already started chatting with bouldy
Is there something I ahve to do before I get the prompt to buy the contract?
minor kite
Usually there's something to get the contract to modify an arrangement (like with Orpheus and Eurydice,) so you've gotta ask Nyx where the contract is so it can go into renovations
IIRC it costs 3 diamonds
dense sparrow
its bad
minor kite
Hestia's fun. Was my favorite until Lucy came along
eternal breach
I have it on lvl 3 i think
dense sparrow
was
minor kite
Zag's good if you wanna shotgun or flurry fire
eternal breach
I know i should save blood for the new aspecc when it comes around but im just drowning it in whatever i wanna play at that moment hshdjf
dense sparrow
zags always good except ond elta chamber
eternal breach
I personally like Eris
minor kite
Not my favorite personally, it requires some work to get working right (sorta like Rama or how Hades used to be)
Or the Zeus aspect. Still don't have that one figured out
eternal breach
Spent about 10 minutes in the sun, retreated into the shade, hissing
Suddenly i very much relate to thanatos
Yeah dont have zeus figured out either
Hades yes cause i play it for spite points
minor kite
I get how Zeus is supposed to work, the only way I can think to get it to work like that without Poseidon attack to keep enemies in the "splash zone"
eternal breach
My problem is
Im pulling weeds right
And uh, theres an anthill under them
And im afraid of ants
So i always pull a few, they come rolling out and i run the heck away
dense sparrow
kill them with water, extermination
eternal breach
Too softy for that
Also yeah like
Zeus i dont exactly like
I mean its cool but its
So slow and annoying to maneuver
dense sparrow
zeus is cool only cuz i can attack with it spinning in the distance randomly dealing some damage
tired hemlock
i wonder if ares blade storms could help to suck enemies in the shield
eternal breach
SUCC
tired hemlock
i'm sure ares loves to succ
eternal breach
👀
upbeat willow
ares sure likes sucking the life out of his enemies
primal cipher
Wait so you only get bounties up to 20 heat?!?
My rail is saying 'expect no bounties for now'
primal cipher
Ok cool, just checking. I'll crank up to 32 on it now then 
Has the cap ever been raised so far?
fickle comet
Not since I've started playing with the Steam "release", I think.
primal cipher
Neat thanks
trim rock
Question regarding Skelly: Just got talked to by Hermes ||telling me to stop looking into Skelly's business immediately after talking to Skelly about his tooth||. Seems to be a bit of an escalation, so I was wondering if I missed some piece of dialogue
heady star
any one have any idea on how to get Orpheus or Sisyphus contracts, i've maxed out the nectar gifts, and for Orpheus i've spoken to nyx about his contract, but can't seem to find it in the room
cloud geode
still haven't reached that part, i guess you just keep talking to them
for sisyphus you also need to talk to hades and meg
and i don't think you need to look for his contract like orpheus' second one
heady star
yeah ok ive been trying to talk and progress but nothing was coming up, ill just keep playing
shadow dune
Need the admin chamber unlocked, then just keep runs and talking to everyone
plush whale
I seem to have lost track of Nyx after reuniting her with Chaos. It's been about ten runs now and she hasn't returned to the house. Does she come back?
heady star
is there some where in particular in the admin chamber where the contracts are kept?
vapid parcel
nyx tells you where to find them
drifting citrus
i am now hypnos’s best friend 
frozen jolt
i finally forged a bond with everyone available in the game! that keepsake menu is looking..... cute
open berry
pat's still makes me so tendy 🥺
frozen jolt
athena seemed to have soo much dialogue, i swear its more than 3
but maybe im imagining it
open berry
it was probably other dialogue chains, theres only three involved for completed runs specifically
i know she got new dialogue about nyx and stuff
which is why i confused the nyx and affinity dialogue
frozen jolt
oh i see i see
she only gave me the dialogues about nyx when i cleared runs, when i didnt it was the usual ones
eternal breach
I need more friends
I require it
If dio will not open himself up to me anytime soon im abstining
Honestly though i swear there's not one character i haven't gotten attached to
frozen jolt
the little bond descriptions on the keepsake menu is the best addition to the game ever
i love them so so much
buoyant bolt
anyone know why tisiphone calls zagreus a murderer ?
open berry
now that my screenshots finally loaded, yeah stuff about nyx was another chain ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/728667201825013871/20200623015546_1.jpg||
eternal breach
Its said that Tisi is... Very much into her job
Her job is punishing murder
So thats why she can only say muuurder
||And later on Zag's name||
Spoiler ^
buoyant bolt
i am fine with spoilers
frozen jolt
yeah i just got that one as well
eternal breach
God dammit sg making me get attached to Tisiphone
frozen jolt
fsr i think i only got them after clears as well
eternal breach
||murdezer||
buoyant bolt
i dont know where i should ask about unlocking ||GY aspect||
eternal breach
||zurderer||
frozen jolt
check out the pins in this channel!
eternal breach
^
upbeat pollen
Hi guys, I invested 5 Titan blood total on shield aspects
Yet even though i talked like 4 or 5 times with Chaos since then, nothing is happening
I unlocked Guan Yu as well. And my shield Aspect levels are
Zagreus lv.0
Chaos lv.2
Zeus lv.1
frozen jolt
are you still getting new conversations from them? they might have new dialogue from the update queued up, keep trying
upbeat pollen
Yeah I am getting conversations
junior field
I had to talk to him a few times to get the shield one as well
upbeat pollen
I see, thanks a lot!
analog anvil
Aay finally beat Theseus without a gun build that lets me not really have to interact with them at all
Hold up, do those yellow pools in the temple cure poison?
Oh they do. I thought they were just decoration.
clear oracle
Yeah. A quick tip is to locate them as soon as you enter the chamber.
clear oracle
So you don't need to frantically look for them when you are poisoned.
glacial cedar
Lol baby teleporting thanatos
wheat rampart
I have fully bonded with dusa and meg and I still can't give aphrodite more gifts
what am I doing wrong
open berry
theres a specific dialogue that has to come up from aphrodite, just keep chasing after her
wheat rampart
ok will do
open berry
unlocking affinity locks all boils down to 'see this very specific dialogue'
wheat rampart
thank you @open berry
glacial cedar
is it possible to get thanatos's companion without romancing him?
open berry
yes
meg and than will give their companion at high affinity regardless of whether you romanced them or backed off
companions are a high affinity reward in general
solid wyvern
What's the benefits of romanticing them? If nothing then I would rather spend on upgrading companions.
open berry
more narrative. if youre interested in character dialogue theres pretty much no payoff to not romancing them. if you dont care either way then its just up to preference
silk carbon
"Hey zag, if you really like pain, how about some no reward erebus?" https://i.imgur.com/rGTjcnD.png
mystic mortar
That's the gate I'd take every time.
ancient mesa
The reward is the friendships we made along the way
analog anvil
oh, the triple Furies fight is actually pretty difficult jeez
analog anvil
Nah, still doing my 1 heat runs. CLosest Meg's gotten ina while to taking one of my lives
Or is that the one that makes her sisters jump in during the fight? If so then yes
wicked salmon
no, that's the one that gives enemies more HP
analog anvil
Ah nevermind then
wicked salmon
Extreme Measures is what makes the extra sisters come
north cloak
+ Lord Hades now slams his desk disapprovingly when he believes it is warranted
analog anvil
I dont ever want to play aother sword aspect jeez
silk carbon
excalibur? i know only aspect of truck
long bane
Hey all, I have a question, is Zeus Favor still blocked? The wiki says to keep talking to him every run but I keep getting stock sentences and I don't know what to do to unlock it, I already got all his Boons.
open berry
you need certain backstory from demeter
if zeus isnt offering any new dialogue, start chasing down demeter
long bane
hm, but I also only get stock phrases from her, even if i already have Zeus
open berry
you've gotten their duos?
long bane
hm that's a good question looking right now
open berry
specifically you need the zeus/demeter convo, not the demeter/zeus one
since theres two diff convo for their duo
long bane
I take Zeus ring to always have him first, then I talked to Demeter 5 or 6 times
She made a comment the first time then nothing
Ah, didn't get Cold Fusion, I'll work towards it thanks
open berry
the one you're looking for will go like this:
||Zeus: Now, now, young man, whatever you have heard about good Demeter, I'm here to clear the air. She's like a sister to me, yes, but only thus. Although her Titan parents and my own met the same fate.
Demeter: Why, Foster-Brother Zeus! Such an unlikely bit of candor there, from you! Almost as though you felt compelled to speak the truth only whilst I'm directly within earshot.||
see if you have any luck on that front
maybe it'll nudge the convo progression
long bane
aaaaah not looking clicked by accident I want to discover it myself
long bane
I try recliking it but it's not hiding T_T
open berry
click off the channel
long bane
ah thanks ^^
Ok working towards the duo then
Another question, what is that triple ringing I sometimes get from talking to gods?
drifting citrus
that might be the new sound sgg added that denotes the convo you're about to hear is unique, and not a generic line
open berry
huh did they do that? at this point i would literally have to start a new file to check that
drifting citrus
- Added special audiovisual effect for Boon pick-up sequences, which plays before one-time story events
from yesterday's patch
there's also a little sparkle to the boon as well, i noticed today
open berry
dang guess i wont be seeing those til 1.0
definitely seems like a nice qol effect though
clear oracle
I want 1.0
Is there a plan to increase price at 1.0?
I might buy a copy for friend
tall tapir
I've spent 6 titan blood in spear, killed Hades like 16 times what else do i need to do to unlock guan yu spear
open berry
@clear oracle theres been several mentions that they dont plan to increase price
upbeat willow
how to unlock Guan Yu spear is pinned in this channel Hade
long bane
I love how in my process to unlock Zus favor I've already unlocked 4 other gods Favors...
open berry
in fairness zeus is kinda needlessly complicated compared to many of the others.
i imagine demeter's is going to require some specific stuff once 1.0 hits as well
clear oracle
||https://imgur.com/bGB5qya|| ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
open berry
clear oracle
I already chose her as partner way back. I didn't know it can happen again.
long bane
Got the Duo once... but with Demeter first, now I finally got the Zeus first after being bamboozled twice
heavy warren
"Thus having somehow vanquished his own father, the grim god of the dead, defiant Zagreus is finally set free to seek the hidden place in which his long-lost birthmother resides.
How shall that all work out for him? Alas, it is as yet too soon to say.
Pretend for now that the Lord Hades absolutely clobbered him."
"Ahh!"
IS THERE NO ESCAPE? dun dun duh dunnnn
I don't think words can express how much I love this
ashen latch
Tbh all I want is a credits sequence where we fight stuff
Like we roll up to wherever Zag is (either Olympus or Mom’s house), credits roll and we fight a bunch of monsters
Doesn’t even need to make sense, I just want a post credits esque mini game like the older guitar hero games
heavy warren
Does anyone else think Hades is weakened or shackled somehow when you beat him?
He has some lines that hint it could be possible
atomic forge
He's just getting a little on in age.
drifting citrus
he's ✨ old ✨
heavy warren
That could be it too
ashen latch
He makes a few comments both about how Zag being so young offers him a lot of “youthful strength” and how he was a lot stronger in his prime
ie when him and his siblings killed the titans
heavy warren
Yep
Has there been any comments on whether steam workshop/modding will be available after full release btw?
ashen latch
Tbh I’d love to see the older Olympians in their youth. Imagine like Young Poseidon with a Fade