especially in consideration to how SGG have chosen to change bits of the myth
#h1-story-discussion
ebon rose
Your argument is infuriating, because all I said was "wow we're closer to discovering the place in the timeline" and you go "Lucifer is the future, Beowulf is happening now, Lucifer is past and present at the same time, future is relative"
ashen latch
just that he might not be a few centuries off
that Beowulf the man is alive right now
and might get the shield as soon as Zag escapes
maybe a week after
or in a thousand years
we don't know
ebon rose
... We know when Beowulf's tale was written, though.
ashen latch
we don't know for sure was all I made
ashen latch
get
ebon rose
?
ebon rose
It's much better to finish a thought before you send it. Otherwise it looks disjointed and like you have no idea where you're going.
ashen latch
like if you are going to throw a fit just because someone points out the timeline is murky I'm just gonna go ahead and call this discussion moot
as you clearly don't want differing views on it
ebon rose
And like I said, Beowulf's tale was written in a specific period of history. We know approximately when it was written. The game says the form appears to Zagreus for the first time before that "tale is spun".
Lucifer is mentioned in the past tense, and when I brought his Aspect to the surface, he again was referenced in the past tense. Never in future tense.
You're saying contradictory things while not disputing the facts that are already laid out. We already know Lucifer existed in the past, and that Beowulf exists in the future. Those have been stated by the game itself. And it's infuriating when people go "Yeah the game says that but my theory is that it's the opposite".
plain palm
hermes became really intetesting in the blood price update
he already was, but his new dialogue is sooo juicy
ebon rose
It's one thing to say a character is lying, but when a weapon's actual description says something, if it's considered a lie then what's the point of discussing -any- of the game's lore? Because then every Aspect description is a lie.
burnt harbor
Do we know if Alexander went already in Conquery mode?
ashen latch
look, that's not what I said either and this is slowly devolving into one massive strawman fallacy
so I'm just going to agree to disagree with you
as I was never disputing his tale not being written yet
just that Beowulf might be around much sooner or later than we think
burnt harbor
My Headcanon is that Thanatos and Ares are busy because of Him
plain palm
ooh, good theory!
burnt harbor
The only date we know for sure is that the game happens after 1200 BC
plain palm
wait why is that
ashen latch
except that isn't entirely true either was we have events in history that never happened
burnt harbor
Achilles death
ashen latch
so using our IRL timeline as a point of context to evaluate doesn't make any sense
burnt harbor
The Trojan war happened tho
ashen latch
sure, but this version had gods
ebon rose
"Beowulf might be around much sooner or later than we think" means nothing though. That's not even a statement. You're basically saying "We dunno" and then trying to end it there.
When the game says "This weapon form originates from a hero whose tale has not yet been spun "(paraphrasing), any theories that contradict that description are directly claiming that that description is false.
burnt harbor
LET US DREAM, DAMN IT 
plain palm
well alex was not the only one waging hellenic wars anyway
ashen latch
@ebon rose You are conflating Beowulf the person with Beowulf the legend
he doesn't exist soley within the confines of his 3 big monster fights in Denmark
ebon rose
... So?
burnt harbor
Another strong candidate would be during the Peloponessian war lol
ashen latch
I'm saying a Beowulf who isn't the hero yet might be arround
ebon rose
How in the hell does that refute my point of "This weapon form gives us a more accurate estimation of the game's place in the timeline"?
ashen latch
you took that as me saying the legend is happening NOW
which I wasn't
I didn't! My whole argument was that the timeline as a whole is murky and that I personally didn't want to make assumptions
ebon rose
Then don't responded to someone speculating about the timeline?
ashen latch
you are on a public discussion forum and you chose to make this into bigger than it was
frozen jolt
hey, please remember to be kind in your discussion.
night quest
how to get megaera's ultra keepsake? i've got to the point where i've unlocked three anoter hearts but she's not in the kitchen anymore (i've fought with three sisters and then switched to 1 heat lmao) any advices?
crimson temple
Ares actually responds that he knows Beowulf when I talk to him with the shield equipped. "Ah, that guy", only more sophisticatedly Ares-like.
burnt harbor
By the way is that statue in the Furies vos room of Tis?
frozen jolt
if you cant be civil in discussing this specific topic, its best to move on from it.
ashen latch
then you attacked me rather than my argument
plain palm
i think if sgg is going to reveal this war as something real it's gonna be either peloponessian war or alex, yeah
i believe shades in the house are talking about socrates, so it can't be much earlier than this
ebon rose
@night quest You pretty much just have to keep going through runs until it triggers properly
ashen latch
like I had no issue with you Purple
burnt harbor
I Recognize Meg but the other looks like weird Tis
ashen latch
until you resorted to "ugh you are so spammy"
night quest
@night quest You pretty much just have to keep going through runs until it triggers properly
@ebon rose do i need to have more heat? and the one with more troubles on boss rooms?
or not
ebon rose
@frozen jolt I think I just kept going. I don't remember anyone mentioning heat being required, but it definitely doesn't -hurt- your chances of triggering it I guess.
night quest
okay, wrong one pinged but thanks hahhaa
vapid parcel
that was a thing before iirc
ashen latch
yeah I'm not sure thats a new Voiceline
frozen jolt
i just saw this voiceline in this patch as well
ebon rose
It was a bit spammy though. Typing six lines, each with words that could have been formed into full sentences? It's riding a line at the very least.
burnt harbor
It's just that the last 5 runs were about Asterius being convinced Zag wants to snatch Asterius
frozen jolt
hey, please move on from this.
ebon rose
Okay
burnt harbor
For me I mean
ashen latch
resorting to Ad hominem during an argument is never a good look
disagree with my points all you want
its why we are here
but don't be petty
plain palm
@burnt harbor well this is kind of an arc
like a mini-story covering multiple runs
idk yet if it leads to anything significant... mb in the next update
ashen latch
there are a few neat mini stories
plain palm
i mean release
ashen latch
like Tisiphone learning to say Zag's name
plain palm
oh god yes
it's just less likely to cover multiple runs back to back 'cause you don't encounter tis every single run
ashen latch
yeah, also sometimes some dialogue from other stuff pushes some storylines back
like the Euridice and Orpheus reunion questline if its done when Zag is telling tall tales
burnt harbor
By the way
ashen latch
Orpheus only having one convo per visit
plain palm
i really hope we get to learn more about tis from herself in the final version
ashen latch
like the rest of em
plain palm
i love tis...
ashen latch
tbh I love that the pact of punishment for Tartarus was the sisters teaming up
verbal prawn
if you don't naturally run into her in tartarus, it becomes increasing difficult to run into her because the game offers boons for gods you already have boons of
ashen latch
like after Meg talked about how she didn't particularly like them its nice to see that they do bond
burnt harbor
I really would love to see the full art of the three sisters together that you can purchase lol
verbal prawn
i'd strongly recommend using the keepsake; if you don't have it already, ||gift her with some of your nectar||
burnt harbor
oh, ok
plain palm
sadly enough tis doesn't seem to try to speak when she's with her sister
autumn void
i would love an EM1 interaction like that
plain palm
oh i still can't get his prophecy
plain palm
or any of new ones related to the gods
clear oracle
he really is rooting for you
Or just a sadist
open berry
ares praises you asmr
autumn void
yeah i have his last kill count requirement fulfilled like, many many times over
but he still won't acknowledge it
plain palm
oh tatz hello
autumn void
i recently got it for the 1,000 one, and then after that i guess he wasn't interested in moving that forward ๐
plain palm
it was 2 mins since ares was mentioned and you're here
open berry
there is a minimum number of runs between lines you have to do
but its only like.. a couple or so
autumn void
ahh i see, thank you
open berry
just keep chasing after him, he should ping correctly now
but some dialogue does have like. a cooldown of sorts between lines before the next part will come up. hypnos quest has this too
ashen latch
chase him down and earn his praise
open berry
@plain palm i am not ares lovemail for nothing 
ashen latch
I'm surprised by how hot they made him
I thought he was going to have a more brutish depiction
but not here
clear oracle
What does tatz mean though
open berry
i was expecting it, since thats how media always tends to portray him, was immensely surprised to not have that be the case
thats a lot of why i immediately latched onto him and why he remains my fav
his portrayal is just unfathomably good
autumn void
the demeanor he has in this game is just so perfectly chilling. much prefer it to aforementioned generic brute type fare
clear oracle
The Ted Bundy of Hades
autumn void
tatz will get you for that one
ashen latch
not even a bad comparison tbh
like Ares is so calm and collected despite loving warfare so much
not the strategies so much as the slaughter
the journey and not the goal
autumn void
poor ares is just so disappointed with how small and short-lived the current war is turning out
not enough bloodshed ๐
open berry
theres like three (3) whole depictions of ares i adore and its primarily because they deviate from the norm depiction of like. angry grizzled buff guy thats violent and yells a lot and whatever. its just. boring. im tired. theres more to ares than being brutal and violent but no one ever wants to get into that lmao
sg's depiction of being polite and cordial while retaining his thirst for violence and bloodshed that makes him identifiable as the god of war is brilliant. hes gentlemanly about it. he'll praise and defend you if you impress him. its a nice change of pace
verbal prawn
I don't know if I'd describe it as gentlemanly ๐ค but I see what you mean
though within the context of Ares' depiction in popular media, I do agree that it's not the usual
ashen latch
I think it boils down to them not conflating him being a god of war to being this mindless buffoon
open berry
his demeaner is gentlemanly, even if its not like. what you would necessarily call being a gentleman. but he is a gentleman about his violence, certainly
i do appreciate for once that being a god of war does not inherently equal being an idiot because that sure is the impression sometimes, isnt it
ashen latch
like Ares in Hades seems to have Athena's logical and logistical sense to some extent in the way he talks about the people he's killed and the souls he has condemned
SGG Ares is seemingly every bit the war god she is
he just has completely different priorities
open berry
im sure ares would acknowledge that in a strictly intellectual battle he couldnt keep up with athena. its just that a lot of media depictions of olympians seem to think that, well since athena is the smart one, that has to make ares the dumb one and thats. not true but alright.
verbal prawn
The way I've been looking at it, the gods seem very human in that they feel like an actual dysfunctional family, so I wasn't too caught up in their portrayal in the sense of popular media so much as, "oh these guys are a family running their own aspects/business", and when I look at it that way, all of the gods are...slightly sleazy or hard to deal with if I put myself in Zag's context, and I think that's what they were going for.
verbal prawn
I actually think I know someone just like poseidon
yeah I really like that aspect, but i think that's why my perspective isn't so caught up on Ares's depiction, which now that I'm reading what you guys wrote, yeah, it is a pretty fresh take
ashen latch
insert reminder that Artemis has a great characterization. Her having a hard time trusting people but being invested in Zagreus is a neat thing
especially when you see her interact with other Olympians during duo boon convos
open berry
im sure she is frequently exasperated on olympus
im sure ares is a main source of her exasperation
arty: [takes out hunting gear]
ares: ๐
autumn void
at least she can hang with callisto who is likely immeasurably more chill
ashen latch
Ares be like: Hunting, slaughter. We aren't so different you and I
Arty: Please stop
open berry
she was so done with him, i loved it
open berry
arty: lord ares, please go bother someone else, what part of i want my "me" time do you not understand
autumn void
ares voice: are those arrows perhaps for... murder
art: you know what, leave me alone
ashen latch
It's too bad Apollo isn't in this game. I would love to see some form of Extrovert and Introvert dynamic with Artemis
ashen latch
That's definitely what it is, oh my god
frat boy asking too many questions so Artemis just speeds off in her car with all her camping gear
open berry
in fairness that is generally arty with just about everyone on olympus
junior field
she seemed quite flustered with Aphro
open berry
especially aphrodite and zeus bc they really want to get into her business lmao
ashen latch
her duo with Zeus
is so adorable
"I'm so sorry, my dad is on the video call with us"
junior field
"daaaaaaaaaaad..."
open berry
idk i kinda dislike her duos with zeus tbh, i dont like the way zeus talks about her ๐คช but thats me
junior field
he wants her to get out more, seems pretty normal to me
ashen latch
"OMG dad! You don't get me! I'm not like Athena!"
open berry
nah the one i mainly take issue with is the artemis/zeus one, not the zeus/artemis one. the one where zeus ends off with "Erm, thank you for the introduction, Daughter, now, you run along, go frolic with your nymphs or something, leave me to assist my nephew here! Bestow on him your faint blessing if you must" because its just so dismissive and kinda makes me feel a ๐ฌ sort of way. comes off sort of 'okay run along and let the adult handle this'
but i generally dont have much love for zeus
mint kestrel
Skelly won't fool me with his trick for a second time.
I figured that the pirate thing was a joke.
open berry
he hits like a tank
ashen latch
the angry angry boatman
open berry
hypnos says he has a lot of upper body strength. yeah i believe it mate, got whacked hard enough into next week
ashen latch
I guess countless years of ferrying souls made him super swole
junior field
I went against him in Tartarus with Guan Yu and he killed me in 4 hits
junior field
what's the deal with his pillars tho?
is there something special to them crumbling into gold?
atomic forge
Reduces cover in the fight.
wicked wagon
Did Persephone and Hekate co-op their way outta the underworld? I don't know my mythos
junior field
but what's the point of cover? Charon's attacks pierce, and the waves come from behind
topaz brook
I don't know if this is the right place for it but I have a question that I would like a yes or no answer to. No elaboration, no spoilers, just yes or no
||Am I going to need diamonds to resolve Achiles and Patroclus' story?||
junior field
yes
topaz brook
Thanks ๐
burnt harbor
Charon: Stealing from me, that's a paddlin'
junior field
don't you mean
Charon: Hrrrrrrrrrrrrgn!
magic pivot
When you love Dusa but she rejects you 
junior field
she loves you, like a friend
open berry
platonic love is still love
hollow mortar
Orpheus, you are so right 
magic pivot
open berry
now that we're out of beta i can finally say i love everyone's models
frozen jolt
right? theyre soo beautiful 
thick matrix
hey, small question;
I had the conversations with Hades, Sisyphus, Meg, and Nyx for Sisyphus' favor, but I cant find the paper for helping Sisyphus in either the shop or archives, any help?
frozen jolt
doing a run should make them appear if you havent already
molten temple
Nyx should have told you where to find the paper. Then you can check the office for an interact point, and after finding the paper you need to do a run. After that it'll show up at the Contractor.
ashen latch
It tends to take a couple due to other dialogue trees tbh
unique aurora
so when picking up a zeus boon, i got a dialogue where zeus said he wanted to reconnect with hades, then all of the boons offered were epic, and zagreus said "whoa!"
does this only happen once?
or is there something you can do to retrigger the all epic boons
open berry
thats definitely rng
junior field
there's a mirror talent that increases the chance of finding purple boons
open berry
that dialogue isnt connected to the boon rarity at all. there are dialogue gods have for when they offer like. a legendary or everything is all a specific rarity but thats it
thick matrix
oh there's 2 nyx dialogues
unique aurora
hm interesting
junior field
I think only duos have unique dialogues
unique aurora
yeah i know about the duos, and there was also the when poseidon offers you the fishing legendary for the first time
unique aurora
but this seemed like an event of some sort
junior field
however, you can still get that legendary boon if you get Poseidon's 2 resource boons
the one that increases room rewards and the one that immediately grants you a bunch of items
if you have those 2, you have a chance to get the legendary fishing boon from him
primal cipher
I'm not sure if it's a but but Athenas attack does not work with the new rail
open berry
@junior field there is specific pickup dialogue for when you have like, say, all boons at minimum rare and one is epic, ect. theres the regular pickup pool, theres the shorter acknowlegements, both pools are repeatable, and theres a few per god that depends on rarity
junior field
@primal cipher projectiles aren't deflected?
primal cipher
Yeah
junior field
it
though, I suppose it could be intentional, since you can't deflect enemy's lasers either
better repot it either way
primal cipher
Yeah I was thinking something on those lines since it can't destroy projectiles normally
junior field
well, the normal rail can deflect, and Lucy's beam has a tickrate that basically acts like bullets
so it should be able to deflect
open tiger
You should be able to deflect things right before they hit you with new rail. It's not ideal but it does exist, and I think the devs are working on a revision to that (don't quote me, not sure). It's understandably hard to add deflect onto the laser though, since it doesn't normally interact with projectiles
@primal cipher @junior field
nocturne arch
please help me settle a debate i've been having with a friend: does megaera have pointy teeth a la alecto or normal teeth like tisiphone
open tiger
I think Alecto's have been filed down to be pointy, so I'm guessing normal
nocturne arch
also what i thought-- ty!
open tiger
o7
flint wing
is the loyalty card you get from ||charon meant to apply to future runs, or just the run where you fight him?||
clear oracle
Just the current run
flint wing
aw dang. Iโd gotten really excited for those forever future bonuses
supple tide
Is Support Fire a pretty god boon for Chaos aspect Shield?
flint wing
if you have a high number of shields, I really like it
Since they pretty much always hit
desert yoke
probably does a nice bit of chip damage with chaos aspect
individually the shots may be weak, but with the high amount you'd be firing off with all those tossed shields it should stack up pretty decently
nova turtle
I think support fire is especially strong in a lot of cases, it does about 12 damage can fire off about every second
A heroic poison is around 12 damage
drifting citrus
yes, it's ||achilles||
fair sentinel
Holy cow I just got Exagriffs hidden aspect... Was not expecting that.
supple tide
Who's pat?
clear oracle
someone made 45 heat with on the first day of official beta release.
so p good
there is a link pinned in the #h1-high-heat-strategies channel
thorn hare
Mostly curious if it's more useful then the other damage pets
I cannot read that spreadsheet on mobile sorry and dont have access to a pc right now
thorn hare
Ohhhh
thorn hare
Hm i dont really think that sounds much better then the room covering that the others do
open berry
dunno what youre looking for in companions
they all have their own situations theyre useful
remote elk
Hey, has anyone figured out if there is a pattern on how to spawn the secret boss? Because it seems the only pattern it has that i've noticed is ||Charon has no chill and likes to only offer the fight when its like one of the earliest rooms i can find.||
autumn void
it's just a random chance for it to appear in mid-biome shops
nothing more complicated than that really
remote elk
Ahh, then so ||my rng has just been garbage, thanks for the heads up.||
autumn void
haha, yeah pretty much unfortunately
primal cipher
Crashing towards the end of a run is always so painful
atomic forge
I had one tonight at the end of Asphodel.
Was about to bop Lernie and the game gave out.
primal cipher
I've been getting them occasionally after beating a boss when picking up their item
At least skelly is hopping about when I get sent back
open berry
@broken hazel spear: "i see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix"
sword: "i see your kingly pardon from a prison of stone"
shield: "i see you stand your ground against the serpent's flame"
bow: "i see you drawn in the arms of the seventh avatar"
open tiger
Mm, maybe spoiler tag those, and then Peach can pin them?
broken hazel
thanks a lot, this really helps
open tiger
bai~
dense sparrow
also "I see your prideful cast....something i dont remember"
hollow mortar
Edited~
open berry
literally jerked up in bed bc I remembered a different dm
hollow mortar
Now we need the rail's.
open berry
"I see your prideful fall down from the heavens to the flames."
I was actually gonna make a pretty post later
hollow mortar
Aw, I'm sorry tatz
drifting citrus
do it anyways
open berry
I will and I will include surface dialogue for fun bc it's spicy
hollow mortar
Do it!
open berry
oh you edited them into the pin, well I will grab surface dialogue anyway OKAY BYE qa time later
tardy tiger
Does anyone have any theory for why the new contractor item ||the sundial, is always displaying 7:48?||. I'm too dumb to think of it, but considering how how Hades himself comments after you buy the item, I'm wondering if it's significant. ||The exact time Persphone left maybe?||
vapid parcel
i'd assume it's a reference to another game or sth
ornate siren
||think about where they are||
tardy tiger
That could be it, I don't know though. I can't think of any other contractor item where there's a proper little voice box for Hades after buying it.
ornate siren
I'd bet it's the time that it was when they coded it :p
tardy tiger
Heh, admiedtly, I think I unlocked it at around that time so I was like "Hey, neat, it takes the time from the computer clock!"
Ohhh, I just got it. No sunlight underground. I'm dumb.
open tiger
It's probably based on where it is in the room, relative to the lighting there
I haven't gotten it yet, so I'm not sure
lilac trout
I don't know if it's a glitch, but I completed Dusa's affection meter and i still didn't have the animation "bond forged" displayed and the quote for her keepsake. Is that normal?
frozen jolt
report bugs with F10 in game please!
lilac trout
I will !
frozen jolt
hmm it might not be a bug actually, i think the message pops up after a couple of runs 
i misread and thought you didnt get her companion yet @lilac trout
shadow drum
ixion's wheel doesn't move across the underworld's sky
he's just a tortured lightbulb
shadow drum
i always pictured it rotating in place hence not changing the shadow on the sundial
dense sparrow
ixion's wheel is not the underworld sun
tardy tiger
"Zeus, to punish him, bound him on a fiery wheel, which rolled unceasingly through the air or, according to the more common tradition, in the underworld." from https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ixion-Greek-mythology.
dense sparrow
oh, right, i only remembered that he was bound by serpents
tardy tiger
idk, I just find it interesting how much the time thing was mentioned before, and that you get a full blown orange mark dialogue from Hades after buying it; I really thing that level of Hades dialogue only normally comes from things like buying out the contracts.
(Also I didn't know of Ixion's story! That was just the first thing I found while googling it).
lilac trout
Okay, I will keep you updated ๐
plain palm
ok i don't know where to go with this question but since it is a lil bit spoilery i'll ask it here
are there any aspect-specific hammers for the fists?
junior field
only the 4th aspects have unique hammers
and only Lucy has more than 1 unique hammer
plain palm
oh thanks! didn't know that
yeah makes sense
i just haven't been playing much of nighty night version so i'm trying to complete the fists prophecy now
molten temple
@lilac trout I think you need to have a conversation with Dusa in Zag's room about your filled Affinity meter before the bond if forged. I think that's how it went for me with Meg.
primal cipher
I went from never seeing a chaos fish in nearly 200 runs to catching 2 in consecutive runs 
molten temple
damn, nice
molten temple
i love that Dusa has unique dialogue if you use an Athena Call while she's in the room
vapid parcel
she does? what does she say?
molten temple
Oh, it's Athena, huh...
or
Careful with that one, Prince.
two others but those are the more notable
vapid parcel
that's a very nice touch
molten temple
Makes sense, considering what monstrous head adorns Athena's shield.
molten temple
also true that Athena turned Medusa into a gorgon (in one tale)
open tiger
There's also the flip side, that Athena did it to protect Medusa...
molten temple
other tales just have Medusa as a gorgon to begin with
vapid parcel
yeah, myths are very fluid
heavy hound
Aw man, I love this game so much, I'm at the part where you ||read the mother's letter||
ashen latch
Tbh trying to pin down one specific legend also gets a bit weird when multiple versions exist in universe but are explicitly false or misinterpreted
Like Theseus in this version isnโt a son of Poseidon but people think he is (including gods at one point) because of how loud he is
And stuff like Zag and Dionysus poking fun at Oprhism (by more or less making it up) but making Orpheus fully believe that story about them is true
dense sparrow
wwait he aint the son of poseidon?
ashen latch
Yeah, they went with the fully mortal Theseus origin
If you speak to Poseidon when you get a boon one of the convos has him saying he isnโt his son
Theseus being a demigod was a version that was told IRL along with the mortal one, tons of variations exist about pretty much any Greek myth
eg, the Spartans actually retained Aphroditeโs more warlike qualities but as her faith spread other places in Greece focused more on how she was a goddess of love
dense sparrow
hmmmm, so they imported Ishtar as Astarte
ashen latch
Yes, Cythera being where it all started was at times conquered or at the very least annexed by Sparta
Leading to the Phoenician goddess to get more greekified
As it spread
molten temple
OverlySarcasticProductions has a very well-put together video about Aphrodite's spread into Greece if y'all are interested in deep-diving.
dense sparrow
not phoenician, she was Mesopotamian
ashen latch
No, the version brought to Cythera was Phoenician
The version before that was Mesopotamian
Which was even further back
Ishtar becoming Astarte becoming Aphrodite
dense sparrow
What is interesting is that while in Mesopotamian land most goddess became a Baalit, a shadow of a Baal, Ishtar alone did not lose her identity and become the only popular goddess of the region and even spread to other countries
ashen latch
It gets even weirded when you get to Rome
Because Aphrodite actually regains her warlike aspects
Super popular, up there with Bacchus
molten temple
If y'all're gonna continue talking about non-Hades mythos I'd suggest moving to #off-topic-discussion
spring yarrow
Hey pals ! Just to be sure : unlocked of new weapons forms are kinda random right ?
pallid crag
a tiny bit, but the requirements are pinned
spring yarrow
Oki so I'm close to have Beowulf
Maybe need to spend more blood
And for the Guan Yu aspect I think I'm gonna try to succeed to reach the surface on 0 heat 'cause I dont succeed at 5 
For the people who has discovered the new boss, what do you think about it ?
molten temple
Incredibly punishing in tartarus, but a fun new fight.
spring yarrow
Yeah I got it in Tartarus too and at the end I was like " that was cool but not sure I'm gonna finish this run" xD
molten temple
Yeah, first time I'd lost DDs in Tartarus for quite some time, at two at that.
dense sparrow
i lost all DDs, 1 sweep took 60 of my hp and thats 1 of my DD
molten temple
Yeah, was lucky I had the Arthur Sword for that bonus HP and chonky damage.
spring yarrow
I think I had the Arthur Sword as well and lost all my DDs too
dense sparrow
i died
spring yarrow
supple tide
Titan's blood only is useful for upgrading weapons right?
Has to be one of my favorites lol
molten temple
Yes, Titan's blood is used exclusively for upgrading Weapon Aspects
dense sparrow
and for trades
supple tide
Cause I am just loving the chaos shield
so idk what to do with the titan bloods, I guess I might just hit a cap of heat I can handle then I'll need titan bloods for other weapons c:
spring yarrow
Ahah
ebon rose
So, the game definitely takes place before Beowulf was even born. Chaos comments on the Aspect, referring to Beowulf as "a bearer yet unborn".
I mean, the game already says the same thing when unlocking the Aspect, but that's more direct
burnt cove
I wonder who the hidden Fist aspectโs gonna be
burnt cove
Aspect of Tyson? 
molten temple
Sekhmet has been brought up several times, though Gilgamesh is a fascinating option as well.
burnt cove
Gilgamesh would be pretty cool, but isnโt the Epic Of Gilgamesh from way before greek myth?
dense sparrow
sekhmet is a goddess in every version of the story, and i dont think they will throw in other pantheons that existed simultaneously in greek time
and isnt the story of Lucifer from the beginning of time?
burnt cove
I actually thought Beowulf was gonna be the fists
molten temple
The Aspects come from the past and future, which is why you can have an Achilles aspect or Guan Yu aspect wielded by Zagreus now
dense sparrow
sekhmet existed in the same time that zagreus does tho, so no sekhmet
burnt cove
Yes but the final aspects are from a future user
molten temple
Someone brought that up about Beowulf in #hades-feedback I think. Complained that the Shield aspect didn't fit his mythos considering his fists were his primary weapons.
burnt cove
Shield shouldโve been Svalinn or something
thorny surge
i think it was naegling's board or something along those lines
spring yarrow
I mean Arthur isn't born as well and Zag si talking about it with Nyx as well
(As you were talking about Beowulf)
dense sparrow
Guan Yu, Arthur, Beowulf, Rama are future aspects, Lucy is a past aspect
spring yarrow
Rama is for the bow right ?
spring yarrow
I'm really bad with the bow, so long time before I unlock Rama xD
As I don't really use it
dense sparrow
warning: rama is even slower than normal bow
dense sparrow
i notice a trend: most 4th aspects are slower, harder hitting weapons than the og
spring yarrow
Yeah
burnt cove
Inb4 fist aspect has a heavy 3 punch combo with high damage
molten temple
Arthur Fist would be insanity
molten temple
I doubt they'll ever tie Death Defiances to Aspects, unless it's something like Ares' Blood Frenzy.
lost gorge
i love the slower aspects, i think that SG did a fairly good job balancing long wind up with fair payoffs for the 4th aspects
a few of the aspects tie in to the casts, which i like alot
burnt cove
โfair payoffsโ yeah nah Ramaโs underpowered tbh
lost gorge
hence why i said "fairly good job"
burnt cove
Shame too, I really like the idea of the Rama bow
dense sparrow
rama is kinda fair payoff, its just, if you dont dash attack you wont be able to play
do you know any demigods from egyptian mythology who would fit in as fist aspect?
burnt cove
If you need to play a specific way just to have your weapon be remotely playable, yeah thatโs kinda bad
ashen latch
The Egyptian gods didnโt really have demigod children the way the Greeks did
dense sparrow
well, mythological humans
open berry
all of the 4th aspects require a more specific playstyle than the previous aspects? that's not inherently bad
ashen latch
Imhotep was ish a demigod
dense sparrow
i can only come up with the brother Bata from "The tale of two brothers"
ashen latch
But thatโs open ended
burnt cove
There arenโt really a lot of famous fist users out there
ashen latch
And depends on who you ask
dense sparrow
i wouldnt say im sure, but i remember that GIlgamesh mostly fought with his hands
ashen latch
Iโm half expecting them to just give us like Horus for the fists where they become claws instead
For the new moveset
burnt cove
all of the 4th aspects require a more specific playstyle than the previous aspects? that's not inherently bad
@open berry Itโs not inherently bad, but with the Rama bow the charge up is so slow that you have to dash every single time just to make it usable. The weapon is pretty much unusable if you donโt play a certain way, thatโs not the case with the other weapons.
dense sparrow
for claws it would be more Bast/Sekhmet/Onuris than Horus
eternal breach
concept:
burnt cove
I thought Gilgamesh shot swords at people through golden portals jk
eternal breach
the charon fight but STOP! THIEF! from pmd plays over it
dense sparrow
i know the ref, but sadly it is false
eternal breach
burnt cove
The Metal Gear alert theme fits better imo
Also whatโs the OST for the Charon fight? That stuffโs a banger
eternal breach
im guessing a remix of the shop theme
dense sparrow
When you take the money, the Soviet Anthem plays and Zag says: It is not your money, it is OUR money
eternal breach
which is uhh wretched shades???
eternal breach
i love the record scratch sound
molten temple
Final Expense (Payback) is the theme. It gets unlocked at the Music Stand after fighting/beating him in a fight.
I'll bet the full version will appear on the SGG YouTube before too long.
open tiger
@hearty zealot Overall should work, does not include the unlock
dense sparrow
how in Erebus does Charon elongate his oar, it grew to like triple his height?
burnt harbor
Honestly, It would be hilarious and fitting if Zag said: 'Why do I hear Boss Music?'
molten temple
I mean, he does a double take whilst saying "Why are you brandishing that oar so menacingly?"
burnt cove
how in Erebus does Charon elongate his oar, it grew to like triple his height?
@dense sparrow Telescopic oar, obviously
hearty zealot
Thanks, I've done quite a few runs and feels like I should've unlocked one by now
open tiger
It might take a few
Took me forever to get the shield one, despite it being the first weapon I invested multiple blood in
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hearty zealot
I don't know what those aspects do yet, really excited to find out first hand
open tiger
Yeah :D
hearty zealot
the sword one was really fun, spear should be, if i was good at it
eternal briar
what yall think is the most fun 4th aspect
hearty zealot
I'm not sure I understand what, if any, different or expanded function the special has on that spear aspect though
no recall/backstab?
eternal briar
alr ima do rail cuz i have 3 aspects
split kelp
My vote goes to Rail. Spear a close second.
hearty zealot
I'm excited to have a rail I wanna use
eternal briar
OOF
hearty zealot
C'mon zeus hook me up
eternal briar
i have to get guan yu first
burnt cove
Most fun 4th aspect would be Rail or Sword
hearty zealot
the sword makes it feel like you're playing a whole other character, it's v cool
split kelp
Sword is quite nice too but it's so slow that I can only really bare it in a limited amount.
burnt cove
the damage you can get on that final swing can get really nutty with the right boons
open tiger
I've seen almost 6000 damage with it
molten temple
Yes
dense sparrow
or you can be like me and accidentally use zeus on arthur
eternal briar
and fight hades at least once means previous?
burnt cove
I accidentally got Dio on arthur once
dense sparrow
heroic zeus too
split kelp
You need to have seen the final boss once, you do not need to win.
hearty zealot
I enjoy the slow swings, they feel very chunky and satisfying. I had athena on attack and it felt on theme to deflect projectiles
eternal briar
alright
burnt cove
The aura slows them down too so you can bat them back quite easily
dense sparrow
@split kelp is your name a corruption of Anansi or is it just Anassi
split kelp
The latter.
burnt cove
the L rail you should try to get ASAP
hearty zealot
yeah, I got lucky on my first run with it and had the most beefy set up. iirc I had reduced damage inside Festive Fog, Reduced dmg from melee, reduced from range, reduced dmg while out of crystals >:0
and inside the aura i was beefier still ๐ฎ
dense sparrow
god mode also?
burnt cove
the DPS on the L rail just melts anything
deep spoke
God mode with the L rail is just Clouded Judgment+Athena's Call :p
Or Athena attack+Eternal Chamber, which totally just gives you a shield
open tiger
A really tiny shield xD
deep spoke
Yeah, but still a frontal block that can be held infinitely, so it's basically like holding a bullrush and still getting its DPS
Mainly because apparently, the giant glowing spot at the front of your gun is a thing that blocks projectiles.
Rather than having to trace them with the laser
open tiger
Currently, at least
deep spoke
Well I don't REALLY see it being nerfed, because otherwise Athena attack would be unusably clunky.
open tiger
No, I mean, theoretically it could go along the laser to some degree, similar to how it interacts with urns
deep spoke
Hm? What do you mean
queen girder
I have a question. I'm trying to get the new weapon aspects and I don't exactly understand what "seek" means when it comes to the gods. Do I just have to ||keep talking to them?||
open berry
yes
queen girder
thanks ๐
open tiger
Like how if you sweep the laser past urns, it takes a moment to destroy each one
open berry
make sure you meet minimum requirements on the weapons and keep talking to the specific gods
signal compass
Gooooood the Charon battle music is so good omg
north garden
Who is the narrator 
open tiger
Oh, narrator theory: It's Hades
proven osprey
Is it not? This seemed really obvious to me from the first time I heard him, idk
open tiger
Which poet?
north garden
the writer of the illiad owo
proven osprey
Homer would be the accessible answer, Ovid would probably be the "correct" answer
north garden
we have a statue of him that can be bought
open tiger
Mm, could be
dense sparrow
Homer, Hesiod, Ovid, Apollodorus, ....
open tiger
I don't think I've seen that yet?
molten temple
I haven't bought that cosmetic yet but that makes sense. Homer vs Ovid though.
dense sparrow
Hesiod
flat oyster
I buy that, makes sense
north garden
poets: fight fight fight fight
proven quartz
Aspect of Poets aspect for the sword when
north garden
oh man that makes Zag's interactions with the statue so much more hilarious on the meta level
dense sparrow
and then its Virgil or Cicero
proven quartz
We all know the pen is mightier
north garden
he keeps asking old man to stop talking, but keeps asking the status to say something
open berry
Zag: A marble bust of some old man seems just the thing to liven this place up
Hades: Exactly whose unwanted countenance is that?
@ poet bust
dense sparrow
is his bust big?
cloud geode
Zag reaches the pedestal
so two Zags, it's in one of the three squares on the west wing
proven quartz
So did they just casually have that bust ready in the back or did zag stand at the desk and wait for it to be fully carved
flat oyster
Yes
open tiger
It was built superspeed
dense sparrow
what are your Thoths on the Ba'al of Cerberus?
open tiger
Didn't you hear the sound fx?
flat oyster
I mean, for everything else they knock out in a few seconds it seems possible
deep spoke
Pun, serious question, or both
dense sparrow
both
deep spoke
that's three different pantheons damnit
deep spoke
okay but I thought you were suggesting it as a weapon
dense sparrow
i just feel like its a bit Red
molten temple
Plaything, Round was a hilarious rename from this update, even if the overall naming-scheme change did give me pain
vale flame
I'm sure it's been discussed already but I just wanted to say I really enjoy all the new 4th weapon aspects
flat oyster
Oh, definitely
vale flame
I only tried out the shield once and got stomped, but the new Beowulf and Lucifer aspects are solid
flat oyster
I've never personally been attached to the divine rail, but the new aspect makes me want to use it more
flat oyster
I need to unlock Rama, I haven't used the bow enough, but Beowulf was fun as hell
The dragon rush is so satisfying
vale flame
I kind of like the idea of Zagreus thinking Lucier is a tragic rebel who also fought his dad
Only for Hades to basically tell him that trusting anything about the Lucifer aspects seems extremely ill concieved
flat oyster
Zag stans Lucifer purely on the virtue of having daddy issues
vale flame
Also that it takes the shape of a screaming angel face is kind of hilarious
I will say they gave it updated artwork and abilities for it's hammers which are really good.
flat oyster
My Lord, that is quite the cursed sentence I just typed, huh?
vale flame
It really is
flat oyster
Oh, I love the design of it though, it's honestly beautiful
vale flame
It's really got a bit of that ancient angel horror vibe going on
flat oyster
I just imagine someone's Instagram celebrity au, get a post from Zag about aspect of Lucifer "just learned about this chap Lucifer who tried to kill his dad, and honestly, that's goals"
marsh crypt
For anyone who has already unlocked the new Rail aspect, it says "seek out zeus after getting Guan Yu and "rail aspect" which I've already done. Equipped Zeus's keepsake, and he's not giving me the goods on the next Legendary.
What gives?
open tiger
It's not instant
cloud geode
Rng chap, it do be like that
flat oyster
Pretend I'm literate
open tiger
Give it a bit of time
flat oyster
^
vale flame
Maybe I got lucky but I think I basically unlocked all of them within a couple of runs of each other
cloud geode
Also you need to have all of the aspects so also Eris and Hestia
marsh crypt
That's definitely not the case, unless the rail operated differently from the other weapons.
flat oyster
There's a rumor floating around that you have to have at least five Titans blood invested in upgrading whatever weapon to unlock the fourth aspect, I had that for the shield and got it immediately, then did it for the rail and got that not too long after
So there may be some validity
marsh crypt
Can I scum beginnings until I get it? or is that flag for "unlock legend" generated like other RNG stuff?
flat oyster
Couldn't tell you, unfortunately
flat oyster
I hadn't seen explicit confirmation, sorry
open tiger
I accidentally did that with Chaos
marsh crypt
well I'm sitting on 3 bloods and I wanna new playstyle.
open tiger
I wouldn't bet on it though
flat oyster
Have you unlocked all the aspects?
open berry
@flat oyster its not a rumour, thats a literal requirement
vale flame
Is giving Zeus ambrosia part of it?
dense sparrow
no
open tiger
Nope
open berry
affinity levels have no bearing on unlocking aspects
marsh crypt
Wait, so just to clarify, do I or don't have to have "every other" aspect unlocked before getting the Legend?
dense sparrow
the hottest being from Hades is Lernie bc he literally lives in lava
marsh crypt
Understood.
signal compass
You can get Dire Misfortune with the Lucifer rail, right?
I can never seem to find it while wielding it so I thought it was worth making sure
bronze ocean
do someone know how to unlock the new companion?
open tiger
Talk to || Achilles and Patroclus ||
north garden
You have to complete ||Achilles and Patroclus||' story quest, once that's done you can gift ambrosia to|| Achilles || to unlock it
bronze ocean
Thanks
signal compass
Answered my own question in the same run lmfao
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/135418430638522368/726145811687407646/unknown.png?width=1204&height=677
spring yarrow
Does someone as a good built for a Guan Yu try ? 
deep spoke
stonks
spring yarrow
I really struggle 
atomic forge
Quick Spin and Divine Strike or Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish.
spring yarrow
Ok thanks
deep spoke
Dire on Luci attack is exactly what makes the build work, so if it was on your attack, have fun @signal compass
signal compass
ye
Just need the infi-daedalus chamber
spring yarrow
notes about Dire
signal compass
I love the shield but God Beo is hella sluggish
Also
Divine Flourish (special deflect) on Luci
Is real good
Goddammit didn't let me roll on a hammer huh, two more to go hopefully
loud bluff
'Are there any plans to reveal who the narrator, known as the "old man" by Zagreus, is and why only Zagreus can hear him?'
It's already revealed in the game from my perspective although I guess it's fairly buried. As to why only Zagreus can hear him, who's to say the others can't? Maybe they just ignore him.
^ from the Q&A. Who is the narrator?
spring yarrow
The new mini-boss in Asphodel with all the purple bullets I'm 
Charon ? As he never talks
north garden
@loud bluff it's likely the poet who wrote about the greek gods,|| the statue of the Old Man|| that you can buy from the contractor!
i say poet in the loosest sense cause there are so many who have written about the greek gods, homer, virgil etc
loud bluff
ooooh. missed that statue entirely. thanks! that's quite cute
signal compass
Oh speaking of statues, I bought a Bloodless statue and when I examine it it rattles. Does it ever do anything if you rattle it enough?
north garden
i dont think so, so far it has only triggered like a few casual remarks from zag like 'hmm'
signal compass
Thank you
Will Concentrated Beam deny me the infinite chamber later on?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135418430638522368/726150555126202409/unknown.png
north garden
the old man statue does trigger things like 'hey, say something' from zag btw, which i think is quite funny considering how he keeps telling the narrator to shut it XD
signal compass
oooo that's dope
north garden
you might have to ask that in builds Wint, personally idk XD
signal compass
I took the triple bomb just in case, it's super great because it only takes one more ball to detonate them all
i got seeking arrows, now i just need that infinite chamber...
eternal briar
what are the top 2 companions
open berry
all the companions serve different purposes, just depending on what builds youre running
eternal briar
eh skellies seems weak
north garden
skelly's great for backstab builds
open berry
skelly isnt an attack companion, hes for diverting attention in prickly spots
again, they all kinda have their own niches just depending on the build youre running
supple dagger
Skelly dies too quickly for me. Poor dude. โค๏ธ
north garden
ohh, i dont play high heat much but the idea of diverting the damage away from you in bad places makes sense
supple dagger
I still use him from time to time
eternal briar
isnt fidi better than skelly
open berry
he has his uses! also cracks me up when he goes out and hes like, waaah look at me im a target!
north garden
skelly is the funniest ngl
eternal briar
still havent gotten bouldy
north garden
bouldy is so useful
north garden
keeps me topped up in Styx
signal compass
okay reached styx, hoping that if I buy the anvil I'll get the infinity chamber
supple dagger
I still have no clue how to properly use the companions from Thanatos and Megaera.
eternal briar
for a huge amount of runs
north garden
shady and skelly are the only ones that can be used in dad fight too
deep spoke
He keeps yelling about the damn rock
signal compass
Bouldy's great
Good damage, gives you food and the darkness gives you a bit of food as well
supple dagger
@deep spoke it really is hilarious
signal compass
omg he does
"another one of your boulders?!"
deep spoke
Sure, it's a waste of that obol drop, but that...
supple dagger
"POSEIDON IS THAT YOU!?" "It's just a rock from the temple." "what kinda weather is this?"
deep spoke
That's worth it if you're not struggling for cash or healing pre-boss
supple dagger
"ZEUS!"
north garden
god everyone is so surprised by the boulder all the time
signal compass
I love using Bouldy against the Furies
deep spoke
Sisyphus and Skelly both having +Comedy as buffs
signal compass
It feels so good, like poetic justice
deep spoke
they're too powerful
north garden
the boulder against theseus is wheeze
deep spoke
yes
supple dagger
"THE BOULDER!?"
loud bluff
just wish gold+ buffs worked on bouldy gold ๐ฆ
deep spoke
"Gods, hear my prayer!" [BONK]
north garden
open berry
theseus also has a single line where he just yells out Skeleton! at skelly is one of my fav skelly reactions
deep spoke
(I forgot the exact line)
signal compass
THE BOULDER
north garden
THE BOULDER
the mental image i have of sisyphus yeeting the boudy from the middle of tartarus to whereever you're at
supple dagger
Sisyphus definitely has the strength.
Unlike Achilles though, he doesn't look like a shade.
north garden
duct-taping all the supplies to the rock like "Ah, yes. I think the Prince might appreciate some of this." like a parent stuffing their child's lunchbox
oh huh, now that you mention, he does look a lot more solid
achilles looks very waifish on his model
eternal breach
Did
signal compass
goddammit no infinichamber
eternal breach
Did Poseidon just say he'd love to be the father figure zag never had
signal compass
awwww that's cute
eternal breach
picks up poseidon
north garden
//paps u wint, the anvil is always the devil gamble
supple dagger
He did. He did say that.
eternal breach
dunks him in the love trashcan
north garden
wheezes at love trashcan
eternal breach
a muted hiss is heard as poseidon lands right on than
signal compass
also theseus said something along the lines of "is this real?!" and I just really need to screenshot that next time and add "No, this is Patrick!"
supple dagger
Speaking of Love Trashcan, I might actually start liking Aphrodite more if I ever had more runs that made me use her boons more often.
signal compass
I love how wholeheartedly everyone hates Theseus in-game
supple dagger
and also made me think of "challenges" from the gods where you're limited in a particular set of boons
eternal breach
I uswd to hate him now i juat laugh
north garden
aphro has the biggest special damage iirc
signal compass
Like he even dons that facemask of elitism
supple dagger
I loved doing Poseidon's prophecy related to Theseus
north garden
aphro art on arthur chunks
open berry
i dont think zag necessarily hates theseus. hes very tired of his attitude, for sure, but i dont think hes hated
open berry
i dont think theres any genuine hate on anyone's part other than like. hades and his family issues and such
eternal breach
Zag has the special ability of frisk fron undertale called I Will Make You My Friend, Do Not Test Me
north garden
tbh the olympians are played more petty than hatred in their trials
God of blood and bonds
signal compass
I super appreciate Zagreus trying to separate Asterius from his toxic relationship with Theseus
supple dagger
I still laugh that I got so frustrated over how my run was going, doing a Trial in Asphodel that I decided to stand in magma and "reset" and then Dionysus actually went "whoops"
eternal breach
Honestly i think thes cares about asterius a lot
north garden
Artemst ๐ค Arti
Thanatos stans
signal compass
OMG J ONE SEC
open berry
@eternal breach gonna bring up once again that i wish bosses were giftable, if only to watch theseus gradually dissolve into distressed hysteria as zag gleefully keeps tossing gifts at him
zag: [enters arena]
theseus: it's tim--ah [turns and bolts]
zag: why are you running?
yes, the vine
eternal breach
THaNATOS STANS heLL YES
signal compass
north garden
oh forreals dio does that when you stand in magma? @supple dagger
signal compass
And I oop
eternal breach
Zag, running after Theseus with a nectar: WHY ARE YOU RUNNING
open berry
luv it
north garden
I stan one(1) workaholic awkward son
supple dagger
@north garden he did it because I had died during the Trial of the Gods. I doubt me standing in lava was the reason he responded.
eternal breach
Than responds to you stepping in lava though.
north garden
i am dying for more dio content even if it kills me
signal compass
Achilles and Patroclus are the excessive gay yearning I need in my life
eternal breach
I NEED MORE DIO CONTENT
signal compass
And Chaos is so
Loving
I'm dying
supple dagger
I'm kinda curious how the other gods, minus Demeter, responds to Zag dying during a Trial.
north garden
me: Clears all my fave gods early game
also me: Wait oh no i played myself
supple dagger
Dio was basically like "I regret this."
deep spoke
@signal compass wait did they actually put the meme in game, lmao
supple dagger
after spurning him
deep spoke
I forgot about that
signal compass
He oops
Tbf he oops right before Zeus storms in, threatens him and Dio reworks his sentence with Zeus instead of him
But he oops
eternal breach
I always liked the thought of Than being really cold to touch, with Zag being the opposite
Anyway
Than: sneaks up behind Zag and puts his hands on his neck
Zag: SCREAMS
signal compass
I know he's the god of dead but
my god that's vicious
north garden
with his massive loud gong sound
open berry
would you like that
north garden
he's god of death
north garden
shou you're just offering soundbites like a shady drugdealer and i am HERE for it XD
signal compass
Zag: sleeps
Thanatos: excessive gong noise "Hey babe"
Zag: "...I hate you so much"
eternal breach
Zag scares Than but instead of a scream what comes out of Than's mouth is just the gong noise
signal compass
Instead of swearing, Than gongs
north garden
supple dagger
I hope Hypnos is okay. ๐
eternal breach
Than: stubs toe
Than: YOU F๐
eternal breach
[Zag voice] Ah yes. Me. My boyfriend. And his 11 feet tall scythe.
supple dagger
That particular legendary boon is almost ALWAYS too late.
What even are the requirements for that to spawn? Is it the one about increasing orbs, gems, and darkness?
north garden
i think it's Sunken Treasure>The loot +% boon>Legendary
which you're unlikely to get early enough for it to matter
signal compass
aaa god i hate remembering how short-ranged ranged weapons are
supple dagger
I always did like the increase in treasure boons. I also like that "Darker Thirst" has helped with getting gems between runs.
deep spoke
That sounds like #hades-feedback, Huge Catch needs to have earlier requirements
signal compass
It would've been honestly amazing earlier in the run; I went to Chaos 3 times and I read that the fish rewards there are amazing
frozen jolt
you can get oceans bounty and sunken treasure offered as the first boon iirc, this seems like just a case of bad luck
errant mango
Yeah I feel like that boon should work more like the legendary Chaos boon, meaning no prerequisites so it has the chance to show up in the early game, but make it more rare I guess
eternal breach
^
frozen jolt
ive had huge catch offered by asphodel
north garden
oh yeah, definitely able to get it as early as that
frozen jolt
and if you go for poseidons keepsake you could have it earlier
north garden
but difficult and only if you're looking for is specifically, cause it does mean you dont take a dps boon
frozen jolt
i didnt even do that that run, he just happened to show up both times i got it
eternal breach
Chaos ๐ฅบ
north garden
Chaos ๐
late bluff
Chaos :0000
opal dagger
I just had a conversation with nyx about ||how to get back in contact with chaos and something to do with the elder sigil|| any advice on how to do so? I checked the record room and contractor but couldn't see anything different to interact with.
signal compass
Should I tag these just in case? I know this is the spoiler chat but still
Finish a run and check at the contractor's
eternal briar
how does beowulf compare to chaos
opal dagger
so i have to talk to her THEN go out for a run even tho I am already at the house... ok
signal compass
I love Chaos. Whole reason I enjoy shield is how mobile it is
And Beowulf is
Anything but
spring yarrow
@atomic forge Thanks for the built for Guan Yu, I succeed 
Gonna trying Beowulf for the first time
signal compass
If you want, use the aspect of arthur and come back. The contrast between the powerful might of arthur and the swiftness of chaos might be a breath of fresh air
eternal briar
alr ill try that
signal compass
I haven't completed the PatroChilles storyline so we'll have to wait and see
flint wing
yea me neither still gotta get to that
north garden
Pat and Orphy wuld just sit together in commiserative shared sorrow
cloud geode
Maybe Pat wouldn't be that obvious about it. He tries not to care but he cares
signal compass
ooo just got shadow slash. wonder how that pairs with my black shawl
eternal breach
Lowkey nervous about how dangerous would it be for Zag to trip and fall facefirst into Lethe
cloud geode
oh no poor thing
eternal breach
Honestly any river
Except with Styx i like the thought of the hands not pulling him under but actually having a nice relationship with him
He trips and is about to fall in? They catch him and help him back to the ground
cloud geode
actually @open berry if you have the time, could you give me the dialogue where Achilles and Patroclus separetly tell Zag about the trojan war and that conversation with Achilles in the lounge where he tells you how he died? I read them pretty quickly and now i'm having a crisis because i can't remember them. They're all new lines from the BP update.
Then he returns and why does his father hate him so much? I mean he hated him before but not that much...?
eternal breach
Maybe they werent always like this, maybe the first few runs, they sure did try to grab at him and tear him to bits, but over time they grew fond of that dumb prince who they have to put together every time he dies
cloud geode
sometimes i say hi to them and i like to imagine a scenario where
Zag: hi!!! : D
Hands: hiiiii!!! hiii!! hiiiiiii! :0 : D : D
eternal breach
Oh he totally talks to them while fishing
clear oracle
Are we talking the Cosby Hands or something else?
clear oracle
Oh I see
cloud geode
oh coz they have chains on their wrist-
oooh
eternal breach
I dont get it-
patent bronze
I assumed it's because Cosby had some issues with inappropriate touching (among other things)
signal compass
Anybody went all out on Hoard Slash yet?
I did once but I haphazardly anvilled and lost it so I couldn't see its true potential
clear oracle
It's not very good unless you get flurry slash also
spring yarrow
Brang back Beo under the sky
eternal breach
Hoard slash?
signal compass
Mo money mo damagoney
spring yarrow
I did it but I didn't really see the difference even with 600
signal compass
I had 1000 which would've probably been handy
Definitely better to do it with Darker Thirst and some extra money gotchas
NO CHOICE BUT TO STAN OH MY
spring yarrow
๐ฎ
deep spoke
Someone did it with like... 2.5k gold
open berry
@cloud geode idk what all dialogue you want bc all of it is largely interconnected but this was new stuff specifically https://pastebin.com/raw/rXbKXqSM
cloud geode
alright thank you so much @open berry
signal compass
2.5k hell yeah
eternal breach
With 2.5 k gold, Charon steals from YOU
opal kraken
How how do I unlock aspect of lucifer?
open berry
check pinned messages
signal compass
It's honestly just been "buy an upgrade from the weapon of choice" for me. Once I bought a new upgrade even if that didn't give me a total of 5, I got the catchphrase next run
omg now i have this and shadow slash and black shawl hell yeah
eternal breach
I didnt buy any upgrades and managed to trigger all the wake up phrases in 3 runs
signal compass
To the plaaaaace
I BELOOOOOONG
LORD OF HADEEEEES
NIIIGHT MAMAAAAA
TAKE ME HOOOOOME
CHAAAAROOOOON
cloud geode
there they don't say jesus take the wheel or noah get the boat but charon get the boat
vapid parcel
ahshhdf
mystic mortar
Charon's oar is a little too glowy-purple and malevolent for that
hollow mortar
@eternal breach I'm literally LOL now
Next time I fight him, I will play a hilarious chase music on.
eternal breach
Also i swear does Charon deal more damage than Dad because I got hit and I choked
eternal breach
YOU DO NOT MESS WITH CTHONICS
Seriously though if Charon and the fury sisters are... Like that in a battle
Imagine fighting Nyx.
eternal breach
I can't help but imagine they would be toying with us
vapid parcel
they scoop zag up into a glass and gently deposit him outside of reality
vapid parcel
look at the earth in their hand
eternal breach
He's probably tiny enough to fit in one hand
Jshdhd
I think they can change size
vapid parcel
probably
eternal breach
Or maybe theyre the entire realm and what Zag sees is a vision of sorts
vapid parcel
it's true
eternal breach
Like at some point their body is jist shifting into the starry water
vapid parcel
yeah!
eternal breach
First time Zag meets chaos he doesnt know which face to look at so he's not impolite
Like sure he looks into the eyes on the main face but theres so many faces and eyes and he cant help but glance at them every once in a while
bleak osprey
chaos folding their arms on the edge of the marble area and resting their chin on their arms like "whatcha doin :>"
eternal breach
YES
vapid parcel
OWO
eternal breach
100%