#h1-story-discussion | Supergiant Games | Page 107

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Especially Aphrodite. For a love goddess, Achilles isn't wrong that she's one of the most DEADLY to humans

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Ares is..pretty honest

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because I think he just enjoys war too much to pretend to NOT to

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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shadedisgruntled i see Zag as an interesting toy for olympian

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Ares is actually pretending to be a sociopath, he’s actually super squeamish and overcompensates cuz hes insecure about it

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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(that and the idea of being able to perpetually war against the shades would be appealing to him, he'd never lose his fun)

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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owo flower prince ares

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Actually I'm pretty sure he is really that uncaring about the destruction of war. He's pretty honestly jerk-asserish

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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i know, i was joking lmao

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Aphrodite really is highkey sociopathic trash though

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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oh for sure

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and we stan for it

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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the equivalent of "If you dare reject me again, I'll come down their and kill you myself"

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Zag, do NOT trust the woman, tell Hades.

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This is the equivalent of stranger danger with your family involved.

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Also, there's a bit of a contradiction in what the Olympians say and what they say they do

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I remember one of them, I think Athena, saying that they help family.

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One word: Persephone.

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None of them even realize that she's MISSING.

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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jokare

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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@coarse stone they think she is with her husband no?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:35 PM

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When the world is turned to winter when she doesn't return to Olympus to be with Demeter for 8 months?

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If someone that you know stays in your home for 8 months and then suddenly stops showing up, that tends to set off alarm bells that something is wrong.

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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aaaand Hades doesnt looks like a guy who would meet them with baked cake

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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No, probably because he doesn't trust them or like them lol

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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@coarse stone so they cant do much abou it

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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There may be good reasons for that. As well as good reasons that Persephone ditched Olympus.

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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and greek gods never looked like a example of good family

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Nope, they're one gigantic mess of drama

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Meg was right when she pointed out that Zag's family is the most messed up, even compared to hers.

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I think she didnt back cus Zeus will send her back after 6 months anyway

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:38 PM

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(And somewhere, Tisiphone is screaming about murderers)

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(and Alecto found 50 Shades of Grey)

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and yeah, I think they just flatout didn't care about Persephone honestly

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:38 PM

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well

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according to the myth

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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So if she went missing, they weren't missing anything

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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when Persephone was kidnapped

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only her mother tried to find her

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and it took so long

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Yeah, Demeter might be the only one we could rely on for answers.

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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so people start to die

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without summer

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and THAT is the reason Zeus start to move his butt

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Demeter probably pulled an Elsa before pulling an Elsa was even created

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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tbh i dont know much about greek mythology but of the thing’s hades done the only BIG awful thing he’s done that i know of is with persephone, which...... when her name cropped up in the game the first time i was like 😬😬😬😬

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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and well, yeah, the thing with Persephone was icky

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but lets also not forget that he's one of the few Greek gods that wasn't unfaithful

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He genuinely was devoted to her

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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zagreus, i think your dad may be problematic...... 😬

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lol tru

shy socket Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Only Hades and Hephaestus, iirc

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Yeah, Heph got revenge on Ares and Aphrodite I think

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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also Persephone and Hades doesnt look like bad couple

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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which is why i like this game’s interpretation tbh...... not evil, just a complete and total jerk

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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and well, Hades might be a jerk

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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iirc they loved eachother

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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but he's a jerk who deals with the dead all of the time

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and without the woman who he loves

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with a son who is rebellious

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(and potentially having a poly relationship with two of his "employees")

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I'm still wondering what exactly Alecto did to get kicked out of the House

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mentioned some kind of insubordination

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:43 PM

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piddled on the carpet

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:43 PM

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She's a Fury, not a dog :x

burnt harbor Jan 20, 2020, 6:44 PM

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She insulted Cerberus

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:45 PM

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That...would actually be rational

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Probably called him a useless mutt

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in front of Hades and Zag

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:46 PM

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failbag Hades doesnt looks like a guy who can stand long enough for subordination violation

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and Alecto doesnt look like she is close to that stuff

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lol Crushed ex Hydra after her 3rd phase with bouldy

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so satisfying

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:49 PM

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i dont remember my exact build but i had a run recently where i absolutely decimated hydra, which was....... sooooo so nice

young vine Jan 20, 2020, 6:49 PM

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hmm, just got an interesting Hades boss dialogue this time around. Didin't think to screencap, so I'm paraphrasing the first two lines:

H: You have yet to even see the light of the sun. It's absolutely blinding.
Z: Huh, it has been snowing at night every time we've faced off. Didn't realize it snowed so much up here.
H: It hasn't always. But, that's of no consequence to us. Especially when there's a raging battle to be fought.

Is it already common speculation that Persephone's disappearance is partially related to some sort of weather catastrophe up on the surface?

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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waaaait

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i just found a spot in Elisium

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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i think i had like doom effects on my special using the shield and something good with my cast, i wanna say it was a combo of dionysus buffs, ares, and a buncha athena buffs

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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where Zag can have veiw like in the House

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yeh

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Beginning room, on the cliff

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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is there same for Asphodel?

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Looks like Zag must have inherited his rebellious/disobedient streak from his mother.

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Nope

shy socket Jan 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I very much hope Supergiant keeps to the tradition of sympathetic antagonists

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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If Persephone’s disappearance is related to the war then she’s the entire reason why the war is happening f

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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i like how the game doesnt state whether it takes place in ancient greek times or not (or maybe i just don’t know mythology well enough to place where it is) and there was a suggestion somewhere that you get out and it turns out to be modern times or something

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or like in the future

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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I think Persephone's disappearance spurred on the endless winter

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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like if it’s always snowing then its like post apocalyptic or something

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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because Demeter pulled an Elsa

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and people are fighting because resources are becoming scarcer and scarcer

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Which also may be why Than is being sent up, people are dying because of it (since Thanatos dealt with peaceful deaths, not Ares fueled ones)

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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there’s definitely an implication of not-so-great things going on on the surface, i think somebody mentioned a war in the game

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theres honestly so much i’m so curious about

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Yeah, I think it's the "most recent" war

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so there's a lot more wars to actually be of concern

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and there's only so many reasons one would continually wage war

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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😬

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Resources being a perfect rationale for charging and screaming at each other like frenzied fennec foxes

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 6:56 PM

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i mean.... people been finding a way for a solid, what, 400 years now irl?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Obviously, humankind has a tendency to make everything a reason to turn into a fox with bigger ears than penchant for being quiet

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but from what we know ingame, something is genuinely wrong

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(Since Thanatos himself is hinted to be very concerned about it)

young vine Jan 20, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Now that you've mentioned it, I guess I'm actually noticing some of this stuff, hah

Nyx: Thanatos has finally come home, have you not seen him, child? He has been very much preoccupied of late...

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Yeah, poor Death boy, no wonder he's so stressed. 😦

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also, if Than and Meg both get into a relationship with Zag, why doesn't Hades just have them distract him long enough to find a way to seal off the temple of Styx

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(Course he is probably trying to make Zag stronger so that he could actually survive outside of the Underworld to find Persephone. Especially if the mortal realm is as chaotic as it is proclaimed to be)

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I live in it

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It's very chaotic

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And while the war they keep mentioning is never explained, I have a few theories

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Do you have to worry about being charged and beaten up by an army of men in skirts with overlarge shields too?

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Just a question

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When is the game set?

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I mean really

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Do we know?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Ancient Greece (tm) Maybe (superTM)

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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nope

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we dont

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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we know that it's before guns were invented

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Only a single reference gives us a clue

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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@coarse stone we dont really

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Ares mentioned that humans haven't created things like the Adamant Rail

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

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@coarse stone is he?

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Achilles mentions the philosopher Plato

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

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You'd think that he'd cheer if people ran around with guns since that's his kind of warfare

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but I'd put it between Ancient Greece and the invention of gunpowder

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Not that it really helps matters, that's a huge potential span of time

young vine Jan 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Also, the shades arriving in the House are dying from stuff like arrows and impalement

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Still, it means long after Trojan war

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Died 348/347 BC (age c. 80)
Athens, Greece

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Or plagues

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so it's probably before the advent of modern medicine too

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:05 PM

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So after c. 350 BCE but before gunpowder

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Basically the best we can get at this point is a range of timeframes tbh

agile wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:06 PM

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or, we're not confined to normal times because the gods actually exist :thonk:

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Well the gods aren't confined to normal times

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humans on the other hand have to race against it 😛

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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imo these gods are honest: artemis, dionysus, hermes, ares, (maybe) athena. the others are liars

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Athena lies ;x

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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how do we know? her mythology doesn't seem too degenerate

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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looks at Medusa And Arachne

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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oh nevermind

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Athena is...not a kind person

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lol

agile wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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are any of them?

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really?

pallid crag Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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no

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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no

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Hades is in a way

golden crater Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I said nothing offensive

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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He's a jerk but he's a fair one

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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but did u do a cussword?

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:11 PM

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does anyone actually like aphrodite? she kinda icky tbh

young vine Jan 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I like her in the she has an agenda and I want to know what her schemes are kinda way

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:12 PM

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failbag it's more surprising someone like Artemis

dawn ore Jan 20, 2020, 7:13 PM

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There’s like probably less than 24 hours before the update!

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:13 PM

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failbag "Oh no she is so cool" "Yes she and her brother killed all Niobe's children but it's ok"

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

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brb reading about it. not sure if its in the game lore tho

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

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it's greek myths

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:14 PM

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because she seems very different from the depiction of her in myth

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:15 PM

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squirtyay "seems"

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:15 PM

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fair point. also niobe did a hubris and leto was already victimized enough. niobe totally asked for it

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:17 PM

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shadeohboy oh it's fair enough kill not people who is guilty but their kids

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JUSTICE

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:17 PM

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ok fair point

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apollo is a bad influence

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:17 PM

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ok

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what about Calisto

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

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googling

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

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failbag it's about off-topic btw

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

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idc what aphrodite did, she a baddie

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

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but while moders dont see.....

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

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she’s...... borat voice my wife

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Aphrodite is the most dangerou sof the gods according to Achilles

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She's basically the walking equivalent of a narcissist who wants everyone to love her

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(to the very scary consequence of not doing so feels bad for Zag in boon rooms)

pearl plank Jan 20, 2020, 7:40 PM

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weren't all the gods horrible if you pay enough attention to the mythology? i don't know much about it but that's the impression i'm under

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maybe the SGG Hades versions of them can be somewhat more chill lol

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

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@pearl plank Demeter actually is one of the kindest

agile wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:42 PM

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i mean, she does literally create winter because of a tantrum

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Demeter, Hades, and Hephestus are three of them who have the least amount of skeletons in their closets

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and to be fair to Demeter, her daughter just was forced to marry someone else

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Pretty sure Demeter just pulled a power move

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:43 PM

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@agile wadi she had depression and left her work

agile wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:43 PM

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so?

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Also Demeter's punishments to people are more just

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:43 PM

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so it's not good but i can understand it

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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all of the gods have a negative aspect about them

agile wadi Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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so its okay for Demeter's killing of millions to be justified

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:P

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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@lament flame i didnt say whe did nothing wrong

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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are we still talking about the morality aspect of the gods?

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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y

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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'cause yes, the gods of greek mythos were all horrible horrible scumbags

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Hades is one of the most moral, even though he can be a colossal grump (like ingame)

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Tough love kind of parenting was probably not all that uncommon in some of the city states

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 7:45 PM

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i think Hades transforms them into very likable characters

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:45 PM

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so Hades' treatment of Zag is more or less the standard

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 7:45 PM

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the game, that is

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not the guy

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I think we're actually victims of a perception bias

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We see things from Zag's perspective

midnight sinew Jan 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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maybe, i dunno

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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All gods are not saints I know right @fickle yoke

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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esp in greeks

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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but we see Hades as an overcontrolling parent

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because Zag does

pearl plank Jan 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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pretty sure "You're a worthless waste of space" is not quite the same as even a generous interpretation of "tough love"

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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You'd be surprised

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Yeah...

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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the definition of "tough love" can vary among cultures unfortunately

rugged swallow Jan 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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lol somebody has nice parents

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:48 PM

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My grandmother was a big supporter of tough love. So I tended to get criticism a lot

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if I did something monumentally dumb, she wouldn't technically say that I was a waste of space but she would imply it

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Ultimately, tough love parenting does NOT work without the opposing balance limiting it (and Hades has nothing to balance his "I R BIG GREEK GOD, FEAR ME" attitude

umbral pagoda Jan 20, 2020, 7:50 PM

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what if zag stops being a little brat and shows just a little interest in helping out with the family business

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:50 PM

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I will say, in terms of the story, I'm getting the impression that Hades knows a lot more than he's letting on

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and that would probably not make Hades any less harsh

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but he'd probably show a lot more pride

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in a very roundabout way

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I think some of the battle lines imply that he still feels bits of pride that Zag manages to get as far as he does

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Even though Zag is literally probably way too much like his mother for Hades' comfort

umbral pagoda Jan 20, 2020, 7:52 PM

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jus sayin

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i get hades even if hes over the top

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I think all of the Greek gods have an "over the top" as a standard default personality trait xD

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looks at Dio

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The man doesn't wear pants.

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(not that I'm complaining mind you)

umbral pagoda Jan 20, 2020, 7:53 PM

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i guess that comes with being personifications of abstract concepts

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 7:55 PM

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I just remembered that meme with pants omg Dio lives in 2020

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Zag, wears pants (pity), Than wears pants (ditto), not interested in Zeus, Hades, or Poseidon...or the warmongering one. :<

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I think Zeus also don't wear pants. That is obvious

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Aphrodite also doesn't wear anything

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Fairly concerning really

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 7:59 PM

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just did some reading. artemis is no longer best girl 😦 we need more information to make sure she isn't a scumbag

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 7:59 PM

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The best girl is obviously Dusa

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Every girl in Hades is best girl

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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She's always so supportive and kind

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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xcept aphro. she sucks

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I actually was mad at Nyx for telling her not to interact too much with Zagreus or the other gods

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(so I gave her nectar every single return)

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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No Aphrodite is my queen shadeeyeroll

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Aphrodite is everyone's queen

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She doesn't like anyone else being prettier than her

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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im a desperate teen irl and even I can tell aphro is a thot

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I am a useless lesbian for every woman in this game

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Pretty sure even without having eyesight you could tell that she's a thot

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lol

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It's kinda Aph's thing really

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I'd rather date Tisiphone than her, a LOT safer.

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I want to date Alecto

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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and Tis' vocabulary consists of two words.

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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murderer.

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Spoke very tender "Murrrrrderrrrer!"

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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sultry, and quiet: "mur-der-er."

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Someone should write a Zag/Tisiphone fanfiction

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that could be entertaining

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I saw one

uneven loom Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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there's fanfiction already?

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yall on ao3 or what?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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There's already NSFW of Zagreus so yes

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lol

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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btw i like joke in pinned message about Tis

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Plus I think the internet would have a field day with Tisiphone

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Buut it was on russian site and written in russian lol

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM

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some good humour

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Tis is married to her job, so she's married to murderers?

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o-o

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Someone give the poor woman a nectar

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Agree

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Actually can I date Nyx...

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Bit old for Zag tbh

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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no, Nyx is taken by...Nyx

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Nyx reproduces by parthogenesis

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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it's complicated

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Oh well

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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"И снова седая ночь...."

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:06 PM

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И ТОЛЬКО ЕЙ ДОВЕРЯЮ Я

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Don't worry we just typed some famous lyrics about night

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Also, there is fanfiction of the game, first one that I found was Zag/Than

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Figured lol

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Zag/Than is my life

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:08 PM

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well AO3 has a lot of it

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lol

lament flame Jan 20, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I've read all of it already shadegrief

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Okay I am going to bed. Goodnight everyone

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:13 PM

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tame bronze Jan 20, 2020, 8:17 PM

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You okay?

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:17 PM

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who

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:18 PM

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My problem with AO3 is that they typical distort characterization to make shipping pairing work

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Yeah, that is true ;x

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Poor Zag gets character slandered, he's not malicious, he's just a goofball

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Like, for example Mass Effect

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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i mean if anyone got any good nsfw Zag art hit me up lol

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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WHY THE HELL IS SHEP BASICALLY YOUR TYPICAL DAMSEL IN DISTRESS

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SHE’S COMMANDER SHEPARD

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Yeah, there's only one time that Shepard was a damsel in distress

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and Shep still wasn't a total fishbucket

bleak osprey Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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gently taps the sign

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM

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but yar

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Yeah shelving that topic for now. Sorry about that

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Zag's characterization is important tbh

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He's genuinely a kind person, just look how he interacts with Dusa

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Indeed. Not to mention this is Greek Mythos we’re talking about with a ton of flawed characters

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:27 PM

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but noone ask

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how did he become such person

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i mean life with dad like that

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Cerberus

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:28 PM

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doesnt looks like source of personality like this

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Achilles too

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(and Nyx)

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I think with Nyx, Achilles, Meg, Than, and Dusa

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and Cerberus of course, Zag was able to more or less ignore Hades

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Achiles appears in his life in much later

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:29 PM

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i mean i’ve known some pretty nice people with pretty bad parents

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he probably had his bratty phase but learned how to be empathetic because he genuinely wanted to learn and explore stuff and that included people

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:30 PM

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That and Nyx was always characterized as a loving mother

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:30 PM

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yes that too

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:30 PM

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so it makes sense that Zag would learn empathy from her

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(in fact, some of her children are empathetic sorts)

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:31 PM

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even so i dont see any opportunity to become such person

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not in this conditions

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:31 PM

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you can sometimes find diamonds in dirty mines

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 8:31 PM

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and i had to be in bed like 90 mins ago(

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:31 PM

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You can also find people who are genuinely good and empathetic in misery

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Zag seems to be one of those people who is genuinely empathetic

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:32 PM

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plus, while his characterization with regards to hades depends on the player i suppose, but he’s even shown to be decent to his dad sometimes and only kills him because he has to

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Zag learned mostly from Sisyphus, as is indicated in Sisyphus' codex entry

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which is probably why Zag and Meg had a falling out

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Yeah, and another thing, his interactions with Meg, Than, Dusa, and Cerb show his personality too

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Didn't hades kinda force Meg and Zag together?

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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no

sleek cape Jan 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Finally managed to get full hearts with meg

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I love her too much

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AAAAAAAAA

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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and then Zag upset Meg by saying that he didn't believe in eternal punishment

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which is the whole point of Meg's existence, to punish people eternally

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:34 PM

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again, i’ve known some people who came from shockingly awful situations irl who grew into incredibly kind people. i guess it depends on your exposure (unless you’re a nature over nurture type), tbh zag has enough kind people in his life to genuinely develop that imo. Nyx, Hypnos, Sisyphus (at least in the game continuity lol), achilles, than....

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Hypnos?

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he's kind of a nobody

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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i mean he’s kind, if tonedeaf lol

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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He's...Than's brother

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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so?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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so Zag grew up thinking Hypnos was his brother too

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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he's got personality of a wet table cloth

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he just exists

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:36 PM

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He actually has some funny moments

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like when he blabbers on to Meg and it sounds like he's asking her out

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:36 PM

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I wouldn’t say ‘wet table cloth’ but he’s kind oft like the younger brother who’s really cheerful but is clumsy

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:36 PM

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and he backtracks FAST when she points it out

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Plus I daresay it'd be tough to have a really engaging personality when you're asleep more than half the time ;x

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 8:37 PM

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considering in his myths Hypnos' services were oft used by Hera against Zeus, and then Zeus would get angry and Hypnos had to run for his mother

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I dunno

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and everyone is occasionally clowny in Hades

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maliciously or whimsically

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Yeah, every time I get to Elysium, I really want to punch Thesus in the face with the Chaos Shield :<

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Asterius gets an honorable duel

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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i really love the dynamic between theseus, asterius, and zagreus

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I'd say give Theseus to Alecto

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then duel Asterius honorably

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:42 PM

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i mean theseus is awful, but i love how hes so antagonistic towards zag while asterius and zag are super respectful of each other. it makes for great comedy, and way more satisfying when you pummel theseus into the ground

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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The autograph scene with Theseus was hilarious as well.

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Getting Hypnos Asterius' autograph was actually amusing

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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oh whoa i didnt know you could do that lmao

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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I low-key think that Asterius was disappointed that Zag didn’t want his autograph

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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how do you do that?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Yeah, Hypnos mentions wanting his autograph

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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It’s a dialogue chain with Hypnos

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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then you fight the Asterius miniboss and Zag'll ask for it

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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you gotta lose enough, or so they say!

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its super cute

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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i know hypnos mentions it but ive never actually gotten the option to go anywhere with it, so ive thought

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Hypnos goes fanboy, I'd love to see what he'd do if you brought Asterius for a visit

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Hades might just then wish Hypnos would go back to sleep lol

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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i WISSHHHH aster could be in the house

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Asterius was actually surprised he had fans

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I'd probably bring Eury and Patroclus back

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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YESSS

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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oh yeah

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asterius romance when

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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LMAO

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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for me, not for zag

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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well yeah, Asterius thinks that just because he's a bull, people'd think of him as a monster

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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zagster is probably a far reach but aster/hypnos endgame pretty please?

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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or aster/me

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Hypnos no. Asterius... maybe

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:47 PM

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The fact that Hypnos wants his autograph makes him feel a lot better probably

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(doesn't help that he's genuinely honorable and enjoys fighting Zag in good sport)

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:47 PM

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so you can get asterius’ autograph for hypnos, or theseus?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:47 PM

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You get it for Hypnos

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:47 PM

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aster's autograph, yeah

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Basically Hypnos would rattle off on how he wants Ast's autograph

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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cuz i remember hypnos mentioning asterius but i dont remember what he said about theseus

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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then you fight the miniboss variant of Asterius

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and I don't think he cares about Theseus

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He's Asterius' fan

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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okay, i just havent gotten the miniboss fight at the right time then

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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hypnos with an aster poster in his room

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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hypnos is me

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Hypnos with an Asterius devotion shrine in his closet

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It's why Than avoids the House like the plague if they share a room

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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hypnos with several asterius funko pops

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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AUGH COULD U IMAGINE IF THEY SHARED A ROOM.....the house of hades is so big, please let them have privacy 😂

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omg. cursed

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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and an asterius dakimakura

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Well they are twin brothers lol

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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JHFHJFHJ

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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and Hades is probably really lazy or doesn't care about shoving them in the same room

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(and for the most part, Than is off doing his thing elsewhere so he doesn't care)

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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hfgvghjfhj hades DOES love making a point about how thanatos is the best greatest person in the house tho 🤔

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but u make a great point

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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and then there's Hypnos and his 250 pillows

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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ghfvghfcgh they have a line down the center of the room in tape and its like super neat vs super messy

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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and Than has a sign that says

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"Hypnos, stay off of my bed."

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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YES

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Course could you imagine the revenge Than could pull if Hypnos has a ton of ASterius pictures?

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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hyp borrows his nailpolish just as a talking point to get than to talk to him even if its yellin ;w;

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Than'd just put up pictures of Zag

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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hypnos: um your zag pictures and my aster pictures got married

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Than: Unmarry them. I don't want your bull.

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:53 PM

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hgvhvhjgfcjhfj

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thans side of the room is painted black and hypnos has like a floral print

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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I think grey would be better for Than

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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blends right in...

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Pretty much

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Zag walks i n

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BAM, instantaneous Than ambush

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Thanbush?

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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thanbush.

pearl plank Jan 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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wait whaaat i've never gotten any autograph dialogue with asterius or theseus

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Gotta get it with Hypnos first

pearl plank Jan 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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i got the hypnos dialogue forever ago it seems like

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Then Asterius (the miniboss version) gets talked to about it

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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i mean it’s ancient greece..... how is than gonna blackmail hypnos for wanting to bone down with asterius when like he probably has his own legion of bear fans anyways

pearl plank Jan 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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will he talk about it even with his fancy armor?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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He should yeah o-o

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and Than really doesn't have that many fans

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Why do you think he's so gloomy most of the time

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:56 PM

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[zag and than chilling in than's room when hypnos is working]
zag: [leans in to kiss]
than: hang on (turns funko pop backward) (turns funko pop backwards) (turns funko pop backwards) (tu

lapis smelt Jan 20, 2020, 8:56 PM

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I missed the dialogue where you encounter Asterius for the first time with Extreme Measures 3 on

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As in Asterius solo

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:57 PM

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u know i was staying home sick when i was first playing this game, so now that i think of it i mightve already gotten the autograph and forgotten about it

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cuz brain haze

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I'd be amusing if Than moves into Zag's room because of Hypnos' snoring

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:58 PM

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than complaing to hades because hypnos won’t stop vaping in their bedroom

cobalt summit Jan 20, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Hey, has anyone here beat Lord Hades on the first run of a new file?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Than threatening to feed Hypnos to Cerberus if he doesn't stop fawning over the autograph from Asterius

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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ooooo thats a good question

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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well it's possible

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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thatd be so cool to see!

limber wadi Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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i wonder if there’s special dialogue for it

runic terrace Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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i think people may have done it?

coarse stone Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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It'd be funny if Hades snarked about beginners luck

cobalt summit Jan 20, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I would love to discover that there was some self-referential content behind that kind of thing. I love how well this game describes its own loop. One assumes that Zagreus has been trying to escape for awhile before the game starts?

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It is a good groundhog day scenario

agile wadi Jan 20, 2020, 9:05 PM

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i think the first run is the first time

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i remember him reacting with surprise when he ends back up in the house of hades

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:16 PM

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How long did it take for you guys to get Sysiphis's papers to show up. I've had 10 diamonds for a while and bought out a lot of stuff. Does it show up randomly or is there a prerequisite or something? (PS, I gave him all the necter required.)

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:22 PM

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@stoic turtle did u had all the scenes?

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Yeah

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:23 PM

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4 me it appears and never disappear till i bought it

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3-4 runs iirc

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I never got it, I just keep getting the sheet music

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:24 PM

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failbag so u spoke with Hades about set him free

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:24 PM

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never came up

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kept talking with him

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:25 PM

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well

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did u had scene with Meg in Sisiphus room?

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Yes

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And I think it did come up

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:25 PM

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did u spoke with him after that

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:26 PM

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He said something about Zagreus not knowing what Sisyphus did when he was alive

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:26 PM

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so u should be able to speek with meg at home

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about him

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and later with Hades

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Talked with her about him too

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:28 PM

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and with Hades?

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:28 PM

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yeah, I think so

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:28 PM

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so after that contractor should have it next run i guess

stoic turtle Jan 20, 2020, 9:28 PM

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That's what I'm saying

analog crag Jan 20, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Hypnos catching on to the fact that I was dying on purpose so I could give him nectar was pretty funny

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 9:55 PM

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yee

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Is there a point in Erebus?

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:55 PM

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?

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Unlocked the alternate exits. Obviously, they lead into Erebus but so far, all it looks like is "clear room without taking damage" challenge that's easy to fail because at least one or two of the enemies are the variant that spawns during the Hades fight with the irritating attacks. Is there a point in going into Erebus at all?

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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it's always an upgraded reward and 3 exits

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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and always better reward

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 10:01 PM

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I kinda succeeded Erebus once out of three times I attempted it. is the reward really worth it? At least with Chaos, the reward is worth three or four encounters of a little minor pains.

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Though, I'm slightly curious how bad the run would get if I managed to get Chaos three times where attacking at all will kill me slowly

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Special, Cast, AND Attack causes -3 to -5 HP, but something like added max HP, +% Attack, and +% Darkness.

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In conclusion, unless there's alternate challenges that makes Erebus actually WORTH a visit, like clearing the chamber within a time limit or, literally anything but the perfectionist challenge that I tend to hate a lot more than anything, I feel like I might have wasted some gems or diamonds. I forgot what was needed to unlock Erebus but that was a waste. I coulda unlocked more songs with those. Lol

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 10:12 PM

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it depends on your heat modifiers, your weapon, boons, and the current biome

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I find that Elysium is the biggest pain because of archers and chariots

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you can get grey archers that track your movements and shoot continuously

stiff lark Jan 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Chariots residentzag

junior shard Jan 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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i have meg's summon but i haven't used it once yet

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i keep forgetting it exists

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I was curious what Than's summon did, so I had used it. It's exactly what I'd imagine Than's special would be.

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I also have yet to even think about Erebus Elysium.

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And I repeat, if the challenges are just perfectionist stuff, I'm not doing it. I'd rather change the reward and hope to get the same thing Erebus offers.

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 10:19 PM

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you can't

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 10:19 PM

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@junior shard try Shady

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sometimes i just use it to heal

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 10:19 PM

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you can't get upgraded gold/HP/pom from normal doors

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no Hermes either

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Styx is the only exception

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Should I look up Erebus on the wiki?

shy socket Jan 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Erebus isn't that difficult until you crank up the heat with health and spawn

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However, I am always so tempted by the onion

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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resist!

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I always take Erebus if the normal gate is a meta reward, with the exception of nectar

shy socket Jan 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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But it's so delicious

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Decided to look it up. The upgraded rewards don't sound worth it. Chaos boons sound better still, with the exception of food.

minor oyster Jan 20, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Erebus isn't actually that hard honestly

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The only time it makes me sweat is when I have enemy speed up 50%

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sweats

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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@minor oyster with tight deadline force u be recless

minor oyster Jan 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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With tight deadline I often don't take it at all unless its Tartarus since I always have extra time there

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Sometimes on Asphodel

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Never ever on Elysium

flint marten Jan 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/668949319126220810/unknown.png? this is sad 😦

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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shadeohboy rip

steady beacon Jan 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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cue five seconds later...

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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shadesmile

supple dagger Jan 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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how did that happen? Is there a quest for him as well from the Fates?

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To retire?

junior field Jan 20, 2020, 10:56 PM

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relationship progress

fickle yoke Jan 20, 2020, 10:57 PM

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also it's kinda surprisong there is some quest for Orpheus

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or it's looks like

brazen silo Jan 20, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I thougth I unlocked the worst shield variant...

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Turns out it's the one that makes me win the game...

tame bronze Jan 20, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Plot twist

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@brazen silo Chaos Aspect?

brazen silo Jan 20, 2020, 11:53 PM

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@tame bronze nah, zeus shield

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Aka the fidget spinner

tame bronze Jan 20, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I have not tried it yet.

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Saving my titan blood for if any new aspects show up with the patch.

brazen silo Jan 20, 2020, 11:54 PM

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it's interesting...

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though it's pretty op with athena I think

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and I also found out that I havent ''beaten'' the game yet

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;-;

soft matrix Jan 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Okay

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Guys, just tell me. Does beating 32 heat matter at all

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Or is it another Skelly statue that is worthless.

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Its a great reward Kappa

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Even Zag himself was wowed by it

soft matrix Jan 21, 2020, 12:04 AM

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So it's garbage.

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Thank you.

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 12:07 AM

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it's art!

soft matrix Jan 21, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Maybe, but I'd rather enjoy the game than beat my head against the neverending wall of high heat

ancient maple Jan 21, 2020, 12:20 AM

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yeah, but beating your head against a wall has it's own merits

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eventually, you'll be so braindead you wont even notice the pain anymore!

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or something like that....

viscid fjord Jan 21, 2020, 12:25 AM

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when are ya allowed to give meg ambrosia. because i maxed her hearts out, been doing the pact missions, and she has came to my bedroom. but it still wont let me give it to her

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do i need do something else

lapis smelt Jan 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Be patient

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I think you need to do the dialogue chain/thing where Zag admits he still has feelings for her

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Does anyone comment on how Zag and Meg are together. I know when I romanced Than, Hermes said something along the lines of Than smiling a bit when talking about Zag.

odd siren Jan 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I know Achilles makes an off-handed comment about zag being the reason he saw something like a smile on Meg's face, at one point

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but that's all i've gotten

soft matrix Jan 21, 2020, 12:59 AM

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@viscid fjord I believe you also need to trigger her scenes with her sisters. Through Extreme Measures in the Pact of Punishment

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:00 AM

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no you don;t

soft matrix Jan 21, 2020, 1:01 AM

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No? Interesting.

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I actually got all that alreadypersonally

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Now it says I need to speak to her TWENTY NINE times more lol

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:05 AM

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that's just codex information, that's not related to her romance or gifts or anything

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Oh, ok, so what now to finish the questline?

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As she ws already in Zag room to take her things and Zag confessed his feelings although she said she wasnt sure she reciprocated

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:07 AM

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she'll eventually show up in his room a second time

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there's no way to force that conversation, it's just rng

karmic vine Jan 21, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I just got the wall 'ending' from the narrator, leading me to believe Hades is just a cleverly disguised Wyl E. Coyote

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Do I have to defeat the furies to force it?

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Or can I just die in the first room? lol

drifting citrus Jan 21, 2020, 1:19 AM

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presumably you have to defeat meg in order to spawn her

ancient maple Jan 21, 2020, 1:31 AM

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@burnt harbor you have to clear the fury fight using extreme measures I believe.

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multiple times.

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:32 AM

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no you don't

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no you don't

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no you DON'T

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@ancient maple no

ancient maple Jan 21, 2020, 1:33 AM

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If you say so, but I had 5+ conversations with meg before I turned on extreme measures, and 3 runs later I got the unlock

vagrant nova Jan 21, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Coincidence 🤔

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:34 AM

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i've never enabled extreme measures and i've had the conversation, and i've also looked in the files just to be sure

ancient maple Jan 21, 2020, 1:34 AM

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yeah but does anyone actually have proof that you don't need extreme measures?

drifting citrus Jan 21, 2020, 1:34 AM

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the dataminers?

ancient maple Jan 21, 2020, 1:35 AM

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are you sure you didnt run with extreme measures and just failed the run?

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:35 AM

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i am absolutely sure

ancient maple Jan 21, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Welp, I'm not willing to put the time into making a new save just to test it, so I'll have to believe you.

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:35 AM

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dude i think i know what heat settings i have and have not done

opaque narwhal Jan 21, 2020, 1:40 AM

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This is probably the appropriate place to ask. What's the final item in the Artifacts page on the Codex? It's got a page on its own. It's underneath Ambrosia.

atomic forge Jan 21, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Onion?

opaque narwhal Jan 21, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Onion?

atomic forge Jan 21, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Yes.

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You can get onions

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If you mess up a Erebus heat challenge

opaque narwhal Jan 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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...huh. And what do they do?

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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restores 1 hp!

main gulch Jan 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Red_Onion

Hades Wiki

Red Onion

The Red Onion is given as a 'reward' if Zagreus should fail a Perfect Clear challenge within Erebus, in place of whatever reward he would have received for succeeding. When consumed, it restores a measly 1 .

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it has a great codex entry

opaque narwhal Jan 21, 2020, 1:44 AM

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huh

bleak osprey Jan 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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anyone else remember the dark days when the onion had no codex entry shadepensive

deft carbon Jan 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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when does the patch drop usually?

shy nimbus Jan 21, 2020, 1:54 AM

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Gods know. I wonder if Steam or Epic would update the game faster?

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Probably sometimes tmr.

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I remember updating it and playing at 4am in a morning, which is ususlly around the time QnA usually starts.

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So 9/10/11 PST?

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 2:03 AM

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I tried 6 times and nothing lol

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Is there any way I can se the final scene of the questline?

shy nimbus Jan 21, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Some youtubers playing the game would definitely recorded it in a vid somewhere on their channel

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Beside, 6 times as in 6 runs?

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Yeah, you definitely need to defeat the furies a bit more than that.

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 2:13 AM

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6 after she gave me the sceene in the bar

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Of him confessing the feelings

shy nimbus Jan 21, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Hm... has she given you her Legendary keepsake?

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 2:20 AM

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why does zagreus seem to be much more serious sounding on certain runs

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My current run all his quips are super angsty lmao

tiny sequoia Jan 21, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Maybe there's a secret angst stat per run

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 2:27 AM

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I thought maybe it's based on the weapon or the aspect or like... what boons you take

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But Zeus/Dionysus isn't the edgiest of combos lmao

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Nope Legendary Keepsake?

lament flame Jan 21, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Or companion, her name is Batty. Before you her romance route one of ambrosias allow you to get her companion. Anyone this chance open uo after second bedroom conversation (to get to this scence you need to give Meg six nectars)

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Also after first bedroom convo and dialogue about Zag's feelings towards Meg you will be waiting for loooong time

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 2:58 AM

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||https://gyazo.com/cf1aca3f31fe1c8fd4aca9cd0bec9efe hehe||

Gyazo

lament flame Jan 21, 2020, 3:19 AM

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Awwww

coarse stone Jan 21, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Cerberus is best doggo

lament flame Jan 21, 2020, 3:42 AM

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He is

atomic forge Jan 21, 2020, 4:00 AM

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i managed to unlock the 3000 gem fountain and the 2000 gem columns, has anyone gotten the 5000 gem shelf yet?

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 4:20 AM

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i wish

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im only 1000 gems in to get it

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and i just get the cauldron for 440

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is the game just gonna keep throwing stuff at me before i can get the shelf xd

celest cosmos Jan 21, 2020, 4:24 AM

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I have all the kitchen stuff, I'm saving for the 5k one now

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Is it true Zag can end asking Asterius to sign him an autograph?

celest cosmos Jan 21, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Yeah, it's not an actual item or anything, you get an autograph for Hypnos

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Some dialogue

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 4:29 AM

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yeah its cute when u give it to hypnos

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I think it only happens in the elite boss room tho not the fight with theseus?

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cuz that'd look weird xD

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 4:29 AM

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yup

burnt harbor Jan 21, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Oh never happened to me

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I got hypnos to ask me but Zag has yet to bother

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Its purely RNG dw about it

mighty wraith Jan 21, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Do i have to kill asterius last for the autograph

lament flame Jan 21, 2020, 4:49 AM

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No

mighty wraith Jan 21, 2020, 4:49 AM

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admiral6

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 4:53 AM

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yay finally killed theseus with the rail

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in other news i hate the rail

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i like stygius

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whats the best aspect for stygius btw

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nemesis, poseidon or zag?

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 5:01 AM

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most hilarious run i had, which also failed, was the level 5 zag aspect + epic speed boost from hermes + 100% movement speed after dash. Couldn't control where i was going

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 5:03 AM

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lmao i do love high speed runs like that

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just spam dash attacks, you cant see what's happening but it ends with you alive and everyone dead

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si

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pos aspect or nem aspect

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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2fast2quick

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I like Nemesis aspect for the sword, as it gives you better chances to deal crits with Attack

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I suck so bad with the sword. I can barely play with it xd

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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I'd only go for Poseidon aspect if you like using the cast a lot

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Artemis casts with poseidon aspect sounds crazy

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plus if u can get exit wounds

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and arty's legendary

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GWlulurdMmmYea

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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ooo power combo

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Just spam your special in between your sword slashes and you're fine

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is there anything in particular that troubles you when you pick up the sword?

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Not really

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just its playstyle

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I can play with any other weapons but the sword

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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🤔 hmm

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tbf you'd usually be up in everyone's face with the sword

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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and somehow it feels like im either missing my hits or my dps just doesnt exist

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Have you been picking up the hammers?

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:33 AM

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yea

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i tried every single upgrade xd

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and every build i've been suggested

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 5:34 AM

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lmao zagreus is facing the wrong direction

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in this little intro dialogue thing

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for alecto

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I've noticed that too!

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upon occasion, that is

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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also god it bothers me that the furies only have one wing each

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:36 AM

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one-winged demons

analog crag Jan 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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but theres three of them so they dont even make up one full demon together

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they're one and a half of a large demon

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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hmm

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Say @lime orchid how often do you take up Athena's boons?

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and have you tried her boons out b4 with the sword

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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i did xd

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:38 AM

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hmm...I've always enjoyed reflecting projectiles 😔

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especially when its bound to the dash or the sword's special

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you have auto-aim enabled, right?

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im like, out of ideas for improving sword play lol

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:41 AM

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mhm

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yeah guess its just not my thing xd

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only sucks cause i need the bounties thats all

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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It's absolutely possible to complete runs with the sword

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especially with boons on hand

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I only cleared with it 4 times

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and they've all been hell

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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oh no ;-;

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I guess part of succeeding with the sword is don't worry about getting up in the enemy's face? I think I tend to keep the myrmidon brace or spearpoint on me for the sake of damage reduction or i-frames

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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have you tried Pos aspect + aphrodite cast, with a boon that inflicts a curse on either attack or special? Its really the only playstyle i have been consistent with

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on sword

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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mmm that's a good playstyle if you use the cast a lot

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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exactly, use cast 3 times, special then spam it again.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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lol rinse and repeat

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idk, I can get super aggressive when I use melee weapons like the sword and shield

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But I try to pick up boons from Athena or any method of damage reduction to compensate

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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i looove being overly aggressive with chaos shield. Shield bash + special to the face and see them melt

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I've been well aware that Chaos shield is the meta rn lol

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One of my friends suggested applying a Zeus boon to the shield's special just to get a light show out of it lol

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having all of those shields out at once is just good for crowd control in general

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Nah, if you want to get real with it get Ares on the shield.

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and athena on the special or visa versa.

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synergy is a must for that though

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:54 AM

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mmm I love it when I can send those projectiles right back at em

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Too many projectiles wear me out, so I at least get Athena's boon applied to my dash whenever I can

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Do note it's a lot better and can be changed out when using Zeus aspect

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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I mean, having Ares & Athena applied to your attack & Special is nice for an attack/defense combo

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but the shield is super safe to begin with if you charge your bull rush upon occasion

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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While that is true few weapons make as good a use of it.

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I generally don't tend to use the bull rush (Sometimes to my determent I will admit) because of the way they made the dash attack almost instantly reset into a normal attack

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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you'd have to bull rush anyway if you have the chaos aspect tho

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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True, is why the Zeus aspect is my go to due to how dumb it can get if you learn how to use it well

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Throw Zeus aspect at hydra to block it's projectiles and take all that free damage

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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oh yea haha

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I feel sort of bad for dionys though as his main use feels like it is lob + zeus and that's it.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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what

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Dionysus feels as if he isn't all that good by himself thanks to poison being relatively weak compared to some of the more degenerate combos you can make without it which leaves his most powerful tool being his duo with zeus.

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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yeah..i either use his boons to get that second curse for 50% damage, or for his fog + Zeus combo or 100% damage to poisened enemies in fog

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Although the nectar boon is really good if you get it at the start, +20-30 max hp per nectar is usually about +90 at the hades fight.

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I always want to take that nectar boon, but I don't prioritize nectars in my run + I like his other boons better for my play style

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I've just been making the most of what I can get in each run. I dont mind Dionysus that much since poison just deals damage when applied. Means that I can leave a poisoned enemy to die while I whack anyone else who isn't.

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and his passive boons are nice for extra survivability

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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I generally end up taking it if my other choices are his special, attack, dash, or call.

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While it is true they aren't garbage they just oftimes feel outclassed by other characters options like the supportive fire of artemis for example.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Dionysus helps in a pinch, tbh

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to me at least

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:08 AM

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He does help, that is true. But the thing is it oftimes feels like other boons wouldn't get you in that pinch in the first place.

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Athena

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gotta love those deflects

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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for a guy who would always run in Nuclear Throne with melee weapons, I highly respect Athena as well lol

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Yup

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On a ranged weapon her dashes are pretty much a must have

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I always go for Athena's dash whenever I can

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Then if I can get more dashes from Hermes, I'd be untouchable hehe

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(for the most part)

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Patience makes you untouchable regardless

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:11 AM

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omg dash deflect into Asterius bull charge is 👌

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I spit in Theseus' face whenever he tosses his spear at my deflect dash

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I do think I found a glitch though, hexagryphs unescapable blast makes elysium warriors T-pose.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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whao

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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HA

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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deflect dash definitely makes me feel like I can't get hit, so nice

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Ive never seen that happen b4

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I wonder if that'll still happen after the update lol

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:13 AM

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confidence in the face of certain doom? ^

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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We'll see, I can't report the issue anymore though.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Y'know what boons I dont feel hyped about getting this past month? Aphrodite

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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guess on the dionysus boons note I do like dio attack with rail and dio special with bow

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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mmm yes apply all of the poison

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I like aphrodite boons cause I'm a scrub and get hit so weak is nice

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Aphrodite is incredible on the bow with chirons aspect. 155 bonus damage on specials

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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her cast is my favorite tbh

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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her cast is nice for quick weak, yeah

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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it gives aoe to builds that don't have any

signal palm Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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aphrodite has on average the highest damage up of all the boons

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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her dash is pretty crap though.

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I don't know why but the ability to shoot blade rifts with Hestia's Aspect is oddly satisfying.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:18 AM

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neat

signal palm Jan 21, 2020, 6:18 AM

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i don't like aph's or dio's dash since it's applied as you leave instead of arrive

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:18 AM

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exactly

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:18 AM

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best run ever was Achille's Spear with Aphrodite cast for like 500-800 damage hits

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:18 AM

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This game craves too much agression for those to be viable

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:18 AM

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fair, the hitbox radius on their dashes is less effective

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because of that

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 6:19 AM

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What sort of aspects are you guys hoping to see?

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Also if you want to see high damage reload aspect on hexagryph + aphrodite attack + pressure point.

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I've been hitting for 1200 pretty consistently vs bosses

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:19 AM

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pressure points on rail is indeed nice

signal palm Jan 21, 2020, 6:19 AM

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I just hope the aspects meaningfully change the way I can play rather than just give me better numbers

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Oh right, Ares bonus damage as well

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the after kill one

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Yup

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That is a good wish

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Since all Olympians won't get boons I would like to see a Nike aspect on a weapon.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Probably can't due to copyright

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:20 AM

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rip

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Nike spear would be great though.

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Spear right now just feels like it doesn't have any meaningful aspects

signal palm Jan 21, 2020, 6:21 AM

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achilles aspect is kind of fun

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:21 AM

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haven't played enough to say, but I can believe that on the spear front

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 6:21 AM

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The goddess of victory Nike not the shoe brand based off of her name.

Also Smite got to make Nike an actual playable character without copyright so it's possible.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I know, it was a joke.

lethal glacier Jan 21, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I was about to say that lol

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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copy right laws can be so confusing tho

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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absolutely

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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I'd like to see a forge god tbh

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Hephestus?

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Ever since playing battlerite for too long as rook the idea of amping damage post count just feels too good.

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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Hephaestus?

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:22 AM

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And yes.

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Question is what would his boons and or aspect do....any fun ideas?

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Break the armor of enemies as his status

glossy furnace Jan 21, 2020, 6:23 AM

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kinda hoping we get a keepsake that allows weapon upgrades to be the first boon instead of Gods, but that may be too powerful :<

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:23 AM

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applying a damage bonus to those hit by it.

covert totem Jan 21, 2020, 6:25 AM

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sounds good on paper, more damage is good (and it sounds like it's a status too)

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Perhaps a synergy boon with aphrodite or a tier 2 boon makes it so you break their weapons as well

proper cairn Jan 21, 2020, 6:27 AM

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is the update out?

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Cast is lob based but a much smaller area than dio. Dash deals damage on contact. Call could be a low damage earth quake which afflicts all enemies with broken armor

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no Noir

proper cairn Jan 21, 2020, 6:28 AM

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but its the 21st

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D:

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:29 AM

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NO UPDATE ONLY FAILED ESCAPES

icy sinew Jan 21, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Battlerite 👀 thats a game ill forever miss

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Wish they'd bring in Battlerite style camera movement tbh

icy sinew Jan 21, 2020, 6:31 AM

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you mean to unlock the camera so it'd follow your mouse

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i hear ya

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Yes.

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Ok, I just crit for 1332 without Ares buff so I dunno how important that is.

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Well, the hexagryph bug seems to happen for the giant rats as well, making them slide towards you rather than use their walk animation

proper cairn Jan 21, 2020, 6:49 AM

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powerslidin'

mighty wraith Jan 21, 2020, 7:39 AM

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What time do the updates normally come?

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Dont ask me about the timezones, but it's like 11 + - 1 hour from here

stiff lark Jan 21, 2020, 7:50 AM

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What

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Was referring to the rough experience with previous updates.

tame mortar Jan 21, 2020, 8:10 AM

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It’s 12am for them right now. The update won’t be out for another 14 hours or so, based on the time they usually come out.

loud tiger Jan 21, 2020, 8:13 AM

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For me that means I'm not going to see the update today and am just gonna have to play on Wednesday

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As much as I like the game I'm not gonna compromise my day/night cycle

midnight sinew Jan 21, 2020, 9:26 AM

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New update hype!

spring scaffold Jan 21, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Sleep is for the weak!

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Soooo there is Aphrodite's cast stuck in me, can I go?

midnight sinew Jan 21, 2020, 9:39 AM

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I'm really excited, I wanna see what Demeters boons are!

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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|| She turns Hades in a Stardew Valley, and purpose of the game changes from escaping underworld to crushing Hades's onion buisness||

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|| I wish I was joking||

||Because I am||

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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don't you mean pom business?

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that's Underworld's primary produce

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Have you ever failed an erebus challenge?

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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yeah, but onions aren't exclusive to the Underworld

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poms, however, are

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though, come to think of it, they have all sorts of vegetables at the lounge

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Yup. That chef is cooking something alright.

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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~~Chef emote when~~

lime orchid Jan 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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||https://gyazo.com/4ca51740f4a57c849fa313045123a67c||

lunar ibex Jan 21, 2020, 10:21 AM

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I'd love to know everyone's favorite starting keepsakes and if it's weapon dependent

opaque hull Jan 21, 2020, 10:27 AM

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I either do full butterfly runs, or I start with the coin purse.

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Bone hourglass seems sok dam good

shy socket Jan 21, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Bone hourglass has no right to be that powerful

untold sable Jan 21, 2020, 10:30 AM

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I usually start with a God Keepsake, God Keepsake, Myrmidon Bracers/Bone Hourglass, Spearpoint in that order. Regardless of weapon.

lament flame Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 AM

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I often start with Athena or keepsake from another god if I have particular build in mind, but also shawl or purse is really good at start

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Cosmic Egg is fun (in one run I managed to get +71 hp from Chaos twice and also +59 hp from them after)

untold sable Jan 21, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Oh yeah! Cosmic Egg is fun also

dull zenith Jan 21, 2020, 10:41 AM

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umm hi guys!

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i know this is spoilers, but could i ask who should i give nectar to first?

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or should i ask in #h1-builds-and-combat ?

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(was going to ask who should i give first without spoilers if possible volfredthink

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Depends on what you're looking for as far as trinket buffs

dull zenith Jan 21, 2020, 10:43 AM

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:o

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yeah, trying not to be spoiled regarding that LOL

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are there any that "aren't so useful"?

vernal moon Jan 21, 2020, 10:45 AM

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@dull zenith do you mean keepsakes or companions?

dull zenith Jan 21, 2020, 10:46 AM

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umm

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no clue what those are

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 10:46 AM

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If you're talking Keepsakes, early Cerberus is good

dull zenith Jan 21, 2020, 10:46 AM

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oh! the cage like thing right?

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Yeah

dull zenith Jan 21, 2020, 10:47 AM

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ok! thanks!

vernal moon Jan 21, 2020, 10:47 AM

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@dull zenith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_CGzb-y93I

YouTube

Jawless Paul

Keepsake Tier Ranking | Hades Guide Tips and Tricks

Here is my Hades keepsake tier list! These are the best keepsakes to use if you want to improve your game! I stand behind all of my S tier keepsakes as the best ones to unlock with the first nectar you find. Here is the annotated list for each keepsake and when I talk about i...

▶ Play video

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just check this video and pick what you like

dull zenith Jan 21, 2020, 10:49 AM

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thank you so much!

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 11:05 AM

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I have a strong feeling people will be rewriting guides all over after this one.

surreal hinge Jan 21, 2020, 11:06 AM

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you reckon there gonna get balanced a lot with todays update?

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 11:07 AM

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There was a lot of time for some kind of Meta to get formed. People saying it's too easy now. What a time to shake things up.

mighty wraith Jan 21, 2020, 11:35 AM

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I hope they add more duo boons

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and rework some

tiny sequoia Jan 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Woah what if they add trio boons

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Generally start with purse keepsake and then get the gods I need (most of the time athena and artemis) before finishing with spearpoint.

sharp axle Jan 21, 2020, 12:18 PM

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On very high heat, the meta is usually god keepsakes for the first two biomes, then spearpoint for the last two biomes. On medium heat it’s usually god keepsakes for the first three biomes, and spearpoint for the last biome. For low heat, it’s whatever.

plucky spear Jan 21, 2020, 1:24 PM

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spearpoint for elysium??

sinful temple Jan 21, 2020, 1:26 PM

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That makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of hits going on, especially with the last fight

full girder Jan 21, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Spearpoint is good for everywhere, except for the 1st biome when you want to start with a specific olympian to build your character

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 1:41 PM

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I think you don't need spearpoint in Asphodel either

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barge and extreme Hydra are the only places where it would be useful

sharp axle Jan 21, 2020, 1:42 PM

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On high heat, things like thesus’ machine gun can be a bit awful, so I use spearpoint on high heat for that

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 1:43 PM

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max Overtime can really mess you up because of all the exalted and their uninterruptable attacks

sharp axle Jan 21, 2020, 1:43 PM

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And also, the pink globe are much less annoying to melee with spearpoint, because hitting one butterfly makes you invincible for a short time

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I noticed a weird thing with butterflies: they're not destroyed by rail's special

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nor are they destroyed by rail's attack

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which seems strange, cause every other weapon has a way of killing the butterflies

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Never had either of those issues

coarse widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Theseus’ what now

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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He gets machineguns when you go extreme measures on him

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a chariot and dual machineguns along with mortar launchers

spring scaffold Jan 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Also depends on your build. If you can melt the enemies in Styx, acorn is better than spearpoint.

hollow token Jan 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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And a very stylish mask.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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pffft

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Macedonian TAU LAMBDA

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Bull on rocket boots is terrifying though.

spring scaffold Jan 21, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Modified bronze plated Tau Lambda. Best chariot ever, modified by best engineer ever.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Daedelus modified Macedonian bronze plated Tau Lambda.

restive elk Jan 21, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Say that one 10 times and fast.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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With accompanying pride mocking golden face mask.

spring scaffold Jan 21, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Should have also made a bronze microkini. Would have made Theseus even more ridiculous.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Tbf the golden bullet bandoliers do that pretty well

spring scaffold Jan 21, 2020, 2:21 PM

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True. I do love how Theseus laughs when in that chariot (also, my phone wants to correct Theseus to The Zeus)

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:24 PM

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"Would that you had a charriot so I could best you in racing as well as fighting"

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Theseus's lines with the golden chariot are incredible

tame bronze Jan 21, 2020, 2:26 PM

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That sounds absolutely terrifying not going to lie.

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Terrifyingly fun

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Tbh the bull is scarier than him and I find him less disruptive than his normal phase 1 as I usually just kite the bull and kiting him at the same time isn't all that difficult

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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How do i make Theseus ride a golden chariot

agile wadi Jan 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Extreme Measures 3

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Raise the heat and go with bosses get extra techniques.

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Thx. What about hell mode is it already in game?

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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it is

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and it is hell

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but not really

agile wadi Jan 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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it is, its an option when you create a new save file

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thats the only time you activate it

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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you can get a nearly identical Hell experience using the Pact

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so if you started on normal, you don't have to abandon that save

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and no, there's no reward for beating the game on Hell

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Wow, maybe ill try hell mode on a new save, sounds interesting)

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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it's purely for your personal suffering

agile wadi Jan 21, 2020, 2:54 PM

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hell mode is basically normal mode but some pacts are always on

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including a hell mode exclusive one

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Also as i understand when you give Skelly 6 potions(dont remember its title in game) he gives you quest to kill him with 5lvl Zagreus sword and after that as i know he gives you this summon stuff when you give him super potion. But after i ve completed this quest i havent got any option to give him this super potion and not even the normal one. Do i need to do something else before i can give him super potion?

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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He takes up to 5 Nectars before that quest pops up. After you complete it you should do a run and come back and you should be able to give him an Ambrosia.

wise pumice Jan 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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just do a run

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:03 PM

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i ve already done even few runs or i need to do a run with this sword?

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I don't think you need to do any runs with the sword itself

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Just do a run and come back and talk to him

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Assuming you have Ambrosias on hand

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Also right now there is a bit of randomness and bugs with dialog so you might have to troubleshoot some weird stuff. I had to do a run with 0 heat in order to get Meg's quest to work

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I wish I could be more specific to Supergiant with what's going wrong but its mostly just 'stuff don't work' when it comes to dialog all the time

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Oh, gonna try to reset heat to 0 and talk with hum, thx

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him*

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Maybe just need to try and try until it works)

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Just do a bunch of random stuff, getting anyones dialog to work was super wonky for me as well

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Have you tried closing and reopening the game? Usually fixes stuff for me ShrugS

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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yeah)) tried few times)

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Megs smiling face is honestly horrifying.

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Same with than's

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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true, but megs just looks terrible

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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They give me the creeps when they smile hahaha

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I think its mostly because I finally see the front of their faces

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Like than's head is waaay wider than I thought it was

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lmao

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at least dusa's smile isn't creepy dusaHeart

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Than is extremly cool for me but im kinda sad how his keepsake works

graceful wharf Jan 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Than looks older when he turns his face too

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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His keepsake becomes a lot better with a maxed out rail.

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I mean when you change it the damage buff disappears

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Also demeter is in such an odd place if she were to become the next god thanks to so much of her main potential kit ideas being tied to other gods already at some scale, primarily held between poseidon and dio with both of them having healing, slows and so forth.

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Yeah not sure what she'll be like

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Hopefully she's good

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I thought the damage buff lasts on character not on the keepsake

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Would be sad if the new god isn't something I want to pick up 😭

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Rooting or higher revenge damage as thorns? 🤔

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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revenge damage ew

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Are there any information about her boons*

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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No

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We will get info in a few hours 🙂

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Cant wait)

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My least fav god is poseidon. His mostly all boons are useless against bosses. Also dont like any revenge damage, the mechanic and buffs for it seems for me also useless against bosses

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Yeah Poseidon needs a bit of a rework

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He's heavily reliant on other gods boons to make him useful outside of Styx

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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agreed

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Only time I go for Poseidon is to get him and Zeus's duo boon since it can cheese hard

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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I dont think i want to take any damage from any resources so revenge is quite rare to damage and damage is not that big

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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also, I think I know the release date of 1.0

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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It allows the bow special to get a bolt on each arrow

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Spring 2020!

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Rather than just 1 total

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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fitting, isn't it?

slim thorn Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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They said late 2020

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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^

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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well, spring is late

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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wut

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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from a certain point of view

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Are you in australia ?

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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no, Earth

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Poseidon does have 1 very useful boon though if combined with the shield. His dash.

minor oyster Jan 21, 2020, 3:22 PM

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thinkernet

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Yeah poseidon dash is legit

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I'll say that

graceful wharf Jan 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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what a coincidence i also live on earth

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Poseidon's most useful boons are the pom and boon rarity ones

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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But against bosses he legit only has 2 boons. His call for the quick invincibility and his status effect since bosses such as hades are pretty much always moving

grave matrix Jan 21, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Agree

tribal marsh Jan 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Imo Poseidon's man problem is that knockback doesn't work on the majority of bosses

real bramble Jan 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Poseidon’s Call is S Tier for me, but I basically avoid him until I have everything else loaded up because the rest of his abilities are eh

static widget Jan 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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depends on the weapon I'd say

junior field Jan 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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S tier? Come now, it cannot be that high when Ares exists