#h1-story-discussion | Supergiant Games | Page 104

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 7:12 AM

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oh?

deft path Jan 16, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Okay so main takeaways so far is

untold sable Jan 16, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Just get hit hahah

deft path Jan 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Give megara orange juice

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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I wonder how ambrosia tastes

untold sable Jan 16, 2020, 7:13 AM

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But get hit anyway. Bc Than's reasons for showing up is to help Zag. Which the game recognizes as if you take damage in previous rooms

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I think it was written that Ambrosia tastes like your favourite thing/greatest desire

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Dont quote me lmao

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But it tastes different for everyone

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Hmmmm

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 7:15 AM

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mmm, mandragora's bath water it is then

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goes down smoothly

untold sable Jan 16, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Mandragora bath water

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The new craze

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 7:17 AM

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Wait I thought at the end of transistor, red already fixed everything?

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 7:17 AM

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you can't wish the dead back

supple dagger Jan 16, 2020, 7:19 AM

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@uneven loom ...did you play that game all the way thru?

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where did you get that ending? that'd be beautiful

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Long time ago

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I don’t remember very well

supple dagger Jan 16, 2020, 7:19 AM

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I played three times, each time a little harder. That was definitely NOT the ending. Lmao

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 7:20 AM

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I thought she fixes the city, removed the process, and then killls herself?

supple dagger Jan 16, 2020, 7:20 AM

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No. Cloudbank still gets wiped and unable to reverse everything and get her loved one back, she decides to join him, in the Country.

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I just hope Sybil's not there

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Damn. That’s sadder than I remember.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 7:23 AM

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she does rebuild the city, what are you on about?

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don't you remember the voting terminals? you were the only one around to vote

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 7:25 AM

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not really the channel for this, i think, so I'll put my thoughts in #transistor

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Aight we move

twilit swan Jan 16, 2020, 7:40 AM

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what are in the locked rooms to the left of the house?

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 7:43 AM

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the one right off Achilles is Hades' room, dunno bout the one at the bottom but you can see shades walk in and out of it

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 7:47 AM

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lets ransack daddy's room and pretend satyr did it.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 7:48 AM

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we will raid Hades' room and make satyrs pay for it!

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 7:49 AM

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can't wait

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whatever makes him angry works for me

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healthy father & son relationship

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Next Olympian is Demeter? Or maybe Fortuna?

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Fortuna makes no sense, Chaos already fills that role

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:04 AM

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The teaser looks like they've got the concurnopia with em, and those are the only olympians I think who're related to it, other than Zeus himself. Heracles also did something with it but he's no olympian.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:06 AM

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I wonder if Icarus is somewhere in the Underworld

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 8:06 AM

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cornucopia and wheat wreath

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:06 AM

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his dad makes rooms for Hades, wonder if the son is employed somewhere, too

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Well, most likely Demeter or her kid, then.

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:07 AM

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asphodel seems fit for Icarus

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:07 AM

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oof, what a burn

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:07 AM

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teeheeohnooo melted

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:07 AM

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except Asphodel wasn't always a molten hell hole

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:07 AM

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I wonder what role, if any, he would fill.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:08 AM

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he was a creative type, like his dad

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:08 AM

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yeah. Asphodel meadow. but in the game now it is all about dat lava

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:09 AM

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hm, I suppose the chronology of events would be a bit difficult to establish

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still, Icarus died before the bull

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though Asphodel probably burned after Persephone left

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:10 AM

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squirtheh Hephaestus don't work for hell. would he ever want to help Zag and slip his hammer down here tho.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:10 AM

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why not Prometheus, actually?

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Icarus's dad was Daedalus, wasnt it?

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:10 AM

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is he still chained down there?

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yeah

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:11 AM

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yeah probs still chilling while birb pecking him innards.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I recall that his release was eventually negotiated or something

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:11 AM

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None of the Titans have made an appearance yet, right?

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:11 AM

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wait. Zag never knew what a birb is

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yeah so far none

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:12 AM

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oh, Heracles freed him

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:12 AM

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well yeah zepp some npcs are depending on the time period we're in.

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:12 AM

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I wonder if they ever will. I doubt they have much to do with escaping the Underworld, especially since they're quite antagonistic to the Olympians

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:13 AM

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well, Zag mentions that Heracles has already been to the Underworld and back

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and that he's also dead

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:13 AM

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least we know Sisyphus is here, Heracles been down and back

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remaining titans are either still in prison or Zeus released them (in elysium i think?) later on.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Prometheus could have a fire theme going

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:15 AM

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then we have cronus the king of elysium.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:16 AM

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I believe the rebelled titans are rotting in Tartarus in Hades

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Prometheus is all about sharing forbidden, powerful knowledge, so he could perhaps boost our calls

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:16 AM

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unlike their mythological counter parts

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rotting in multiple pieces, that is

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Or give us a call of our own.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:17 AM

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fire seems like a sensible choice though

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considering he was the bringer of fire

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:17 AM

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What would Hep do, then? We already gave smithing to Daedalus

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:17 AM

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rooThink he's forbidden knowledge are forbidden to hooman, not gods tho.

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:18 AM

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why are you expecting Hephaestus?

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:18 AM

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He's an Olympian

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 8:18 AM

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not all olympians will be added

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Olympian Gods. maybe some of them are not in the game of helping Zag.

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 8:18 AM

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the next update is the last iirc

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Not even the main 12? Huh

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:19 AM

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gamer

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:19 AM

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it can't be the last

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Apollo is mentioned in the subtitles

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 8:19 AM

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wym

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:19 AM

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As is Hestia (we've got her gun).

pearl plank Jan 16, 2020, 8:20 AM

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i finally remembered to use bouldy! 🎉

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:20 AM

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there are text strings for Apollo, that mention his description and introductory line

pearl plank Jan 16, 2020, 8:20 AM

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in the final boss fight, completely unnecessary but, i did it! lol

near crown Jan 16, 2020, 8:20 AM

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Also Id never thought the goddess of the hearth would be the one who used a machine gun.

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 8:20 AM

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Grats

pearl plank Jan 16, 2020, 8:20 AM

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lol ty

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pretty sure i went through like 20 runs forgetting about his existence the entire time

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 8:21 AM

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datamined discussion is apparently not allowed

pearl plank Jan 16, 2020, 8:21 AM

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yeah those are spoilers i'd rather not know even in here. plus, could be obsolete

pallid crag Jan 16, 2020, 8:21 AM

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and its very possible any datamined info is from discarded concepts

pearl plank Jan 16, 2020, 8:21 AM

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gnight y'all

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:21 AM

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well, wink wink nudge nudge, can't wait for the country club Apollo

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:23 AM

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how about apollo gives you chariot instead of boons

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:23 AM

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pls no

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 8:23 AM

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squirtheh just joking

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 8:23 AM

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no movement speed garbage

cobalt summit Jan 16, 2020, 12:39 PM

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What is the lightning bolt icon that's appearing when I take damage?

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I have started a new run

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oH is it my myrmidon bracer

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 12:40 PM

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yup

cobalt summit Jan 16, 2020, 12:41 PM

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thanx achilles

cloud lion Jan 16, 2020, 12:41 PM

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hokuLUL

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Me: got heal from Sisiphys
Next chamber: fountain
Me and Sisiphys: Are we joke to you?

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Looks like Bouldy is a joke for you bouldy

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Eh?

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 3:47 PM

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failbag wait i thought u used Shady in battle for heal

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nvm i'm dunb

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Nah I am using Mort right now

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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How do we know that the next Olympian will be the last

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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we don't

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Why do people keep saying that then lol

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 4:22 PM

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no idea

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Dunno. It's just a feeling

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 4:24 PM

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@uneven loom Greg20.12.2019
@quartz edge 'Will we see all the Olympians in the game?'

We plan to add one more Olympian, so no. They don't all make sense for the game and story and we don't want to shoehorn them for the sake of it. It also makes sense some of them would be off doing other things. We do have ideas for what all of them could be like, and I think we will probably end up at least name-checking the ones who don't make the cut.

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shadedisgruntled that's that

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:25 PM

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😦

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 4:26 PM

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That makes sense

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 4:26 PM

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so we can have some of them as aspects

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like Apollo for bow

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Athena for spear

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Haephestus for sword mb

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who we are missing?

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Demeter yes

lament flame Jan 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I don't think Heaphestus will be one of the aspects

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Apollo definitely will be a bow aspect

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 4:35 PM

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will see

minor oyster Jan 16, 2020, 4:39 PM

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@uneven loom Their roadmap for this year is "another olympian"

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Not "more olympians"

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Also yeah gznm has the quote

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Sad. I really hoped we would get at least Hera eventually because she is so iconic. At the very least, I hope we get one new boon per god by years end

minor oyster Jan 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I mean sort of, we'll be getting the new god's duos

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After the new god we're getting the last weapon and after that is 1.0 release with the ending

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I really like gimmick boons like Artemis dash attack, life affirmation, Dionysus sippy cup, and Artemis arrows

minor oyster Jan 16, 2020, 4:43 PM

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If you want more boons then you're going to have to hope they do it with 1.0

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Artemis arrows are actually pretty good for the right build

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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They’re quite good in general imo

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They are very rarely bad. Basically only bad with bow or Hestia gun

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I hope they do regular updates after 1.0 that add new content and build opportunities. Very common with rogue likes

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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if u play with Special rail they are not so good too

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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They may do expansions but i do not think that regular content updates will be a thing for Hades.

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And honestly I’m fine with that. At most they might do some bug fixes post 1.0 but I would expect them to move onto their next game post 1.0

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Probably. It’s a lot of effort and they’re a small company. I think a lot of people would spend hundreds on dlc given the opportunity, me included

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I think they may or may not try one just to see how it goes. But expecting anything beyond that is wishful thinking. They didn’t want to make Bastion 2 for that same reason IIRC

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 4:51 PM

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what reason?

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Accurate. I hope they continue with more games like hades and pyre though. They are so good and dialogue and aesthetic. I’m hoping that the next game is like hades in the sense that it is has heavy rpg elements and an emphasis on dialogue. Imo hades is like a fusion between pyre and transistor and I love it

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 4:52 PM

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no sport games, pls

uneven loom Jan 16, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I know nothing about hades’s engine, but I feel like the gameplay cycle would be very amenable to modding

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I would pay 100 dollars for an afterbirth-plus style dlc that adds a lot of modding capability

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 4:56 PM

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damn

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i just realised Bastion has no russian(

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but...

minor oyster Jan 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Pyre was a sports game.

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It was basically NBA Jam the visual novel

junior field Jan 16, 2020, 5:41 PM

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the gameplay loop wasn't enjoyable though, and the story was tied to winning and losing, including having to throw for "good" endings

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it's my least favorite SG game

quartz edge Jan 16, 2020, 6:36 PM

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That guy Icebox asking good questions I see.

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Worth keeping an eye out for, that one.

odd totem Jan 16, 2020, 8:46 PM

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is it only me that feels uncomfortable with Thanatos being romanceable considering that until just prior to the events of the game they thought they were half brothers???

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Looks like Greek gods never cared about that much

hollow garden Jan 16, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Interesting point actually tbf. Kinda just forgot about that.

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Pretty much. That and the fact that incest laws were only really used to prevent inbreeding means that romance between Than and Zag is really sort of okay? Sort of not to some people?

hollow garden Jan 16, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Tbf I guess after giving 10 gifts it's been a significant amount of time to hash out feelings

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Greek Mythos has a ton of incest.

hollow garden Jan 16, 2020, 8:49 PM

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So it's not like in a generic anime where the stepsister has a crush on the protagonist for basically the entire series. ~~dangit sao~~

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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@lapis smelt carefully

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moders dont like that theme

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Hence why I said ‘sort of’ since it’s a very YMMV thing.

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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also they are gods

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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^^

iron flame Jan 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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At this point in Hades' story development, it's more like Nyx runs an orphanage than has a big family. Between Zag and the three fury sisters (also raised by Nyx but not related), it's like she's just running Hades' halfway home. 😄

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:51 PM

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they are higher then humans law

hollow garden Jan 16, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Basically Hades can't be bothered to feed the dang kids so Nyx does it for him

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:51 PM

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also Demeter os not onlty Zags grndma

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but his aunt too

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complicated yes?

hollow garden Jan 16, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Yeah we've gone into that before lol. Let's not revisit it :p

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Greek mythos is all sorts of interesting

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:53 PM

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also even in greek myths can be different variations

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random authors make random textes

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and one god can have different parents

uneven pike Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 PM

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ive given 1 gift to everyone now and gotten all the trinkets who should i focus gifts on next

fickle yoke Jan 16, 2020, 8:56 PM

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@uneven pike gift 2 and 3 for chaos

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and u will have 2 more prophecy for fated list

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and there are 4 characters (for now) who can give you Companions/Summons/Legendary Keepsake

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so you may focus them with Nectar

livid minnow Jan 16, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Hi. How do i unlock those boxes under the other keepsakes?

hasty basin Jan 16, 2020, 9:13 PM

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do what gznm was just talking about, give nectar to specific characters (i haven't done all but i think skelly, meg, thanatos, sysiphus? it's on the wiki)

broken elk Jan 16, 2020, 9:21 PM

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ok so i been feeding the grim reaper and got to ambrosia and he gave me a companion - but in the codex there is this weird arrow - whats that all about

pearl plank Jan 16, 2020, 9:24 PM

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The grim but sensitive reaper

minor oyster Jan 16, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@broken elk If you give him more Ambrosia it starts you down the relationship route

broken elk Jan 16, 2020, 9:33 PM

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ok i figured as much but its a new symbol for me. i seen the clocks and the locks, but it's like a weird purple arrow

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i assume that means more of the same then get him drunk

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i cannot seem to find the fates objectives anywhere on the wiki can anyone give me a link to it if it exists? I actually thought there was just a set amount but tonight i got a new one for buying a poster for my room or something

karmic vine Jan 16, 2020, 9:40 PM

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apparently I'd never fought Meg with the adamant rail before because I met her with it today and OF COURSE she had to say something about it

loud tiger Jan 16, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Could be the specific aspect you're using

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for example Chaos will say something if you're using the Chaos Aspect on Aegis

minor oyster Jan 16, 2020, 10:35 PM

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@broken elk They're an upgrade for your room from the renovations shade

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Oh you mean the hidden ones

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Not sure

lapis smelt Jan 16, 2020, 10:37 PM

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There’s also a comment if you have a weapon aspect equipped when you run into Meg. It’s where Meg pokes fun at Zag being in a healthy relationship

slim crescent Jan 16, 2020, 10:47 PM

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@fickle yoke who gives the companions?

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 12:02 AM

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In celebration of finally getting max hearts with Thanatos I've been blasting Last Words.

drifting citrus Jan 17, 2020, 12:06 AM

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@slim crescent than, meg, skelly, sisyphus

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 1:20 AM

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That's his theme right?

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Its sick as hell

junior shard Jan 17, 2020, 1:51 AM

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so i'm currently stuck in meg's relationship thing because of a heart with a keyhole

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what do i need to do to get past that

lapis smelt Jan 17, 2020, 1:53 AM

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You have to let it wait for the right moment to show up. It’s when Meg shows up in your room

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 1:54 AM

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If you've been on Extreme Measures for a bit then do a run with it off then turn it on 1 again and do a run

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There is a good chance it'll happen then

junior shard Jan 17, 2020, 1:58 AM

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It’s when Meg shows up in your room
ooo

lapis smelt Jan 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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No. It’s not that kind of show up in your room ||yet||

junior shard Jan 17, 2020, 2:07 AM

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i ahven't been using extreme measures, might do taht next run

gusty crag Jan 17, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Daily reminder that Artemis is the ideal being and should be worshipped for her perfection

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#ArtemisBestGirl

junior shard Jan 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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is it after all 3 fight you?

karmic vine Jan 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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theseus got all bent out of shape about me having a yarn of ariadne on me from the well of charon
been a while since he had anything new to say to me

uneven loom Jan 17, 2020, 3:28 AM

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@gusty crag tfw no socially isolated huntress goddess gf

gusty crag Jan 17, 2020, 3:54 AM

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I believe she will come for us

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The next update for sure

cloud lion Jan 17, 2020, 4:14 AM

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rooThink so you want artemis showing up in your room?

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morosLaugh I'm getting the idea of ||her boons' showing up instead of her|| if that could happen

gusty crag Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 AM

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I believe that we will be able to go hunt with the perfect goddess in 1.0

cloud lion Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 AM

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morosLaugh I'd like that

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 AM

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!!!!!!!!! finally got Chaos legendary boooooooooooooooon

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list of prophecies ✅

split sinew Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 AM

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how did you acquire it ?

zinc vine Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 AM

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pray to rngesus

cloud lion Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 AM

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by lucking it out

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only saw it twice. geez

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Same but omg this legendary is very useful

cloud lion Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 AM

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one DD, who wouldn't like that

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teeheeohnooo gimme more

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Eh there was a time when we could got 6 DDs
The good times

cloud lion Jan 17, 2020, 4:52 AM

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teeheeohnooo i think my luck is out since I got rarity up and attack +71% boons from grandpa chaos last run with hestia gun.

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probs gon get bunch of common boons next run

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teeheeohnooo hate and love chaos

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 5:16 AM

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i made precisely 0 use of the boon itself lol, didn't lose any DD's to begin with. BUT. i've been taking every chance to see chaos for everrrrr it feels like. always buying them in the well, going to see them in elysium, taking chaos curses through the dynamic duo battle lol idgaf!

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at least one time i had 4 chaos boons by the end (is it possible to get 5?)

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finallyyyyy paid off

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grandparent* chaos 😎

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lol i finally completed the list of prophecies before the new update, maybe i can take a break for a few days now lol

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we'll see

azure latch Jan 17, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Does anyone have a screen of the 32 pact of punishment reward statue?

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 5:43 AM

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@azure latch ||https://i.imgur.com/OUSxrJU.png||

Imgur

merry sorrel Jan 17, 2020, 5:48 AM

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those are actually nice statues

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 5:53 AM

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except for the 32 one

light ivy Jan 17, 2020, 6:13 AM

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clicked that because I'll never be good enough at the game to unlock those and oh my god

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that's amazing

azure latch Jan 17, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I've been trying and I've thrown on Godmode and I just cant seem to do it haha

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thanks @junior field

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Skelly is so extra

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:03 AM

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I like how if you unlock all of statues Zagreus comments on them and truly admire them shadesmile

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Third statue is the best one even if it is the hadest to get

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 7:07 AM

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I like first and 2nd better

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the 3rd one doesn't make sense to me, since Skelly never uses weapons. The pose also looks weird, as if his legs are fused at the base

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I'd understand if it was some kinda reference to Skelly's past, before he died, but it clearly isn't

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:52 AM

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None of statues actually make sense but they all kinda funny. I though they just a parody of those fancy greek and roman statues of gods

broken elk Jan 17, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Just discovered that the grim reaper and zarg maybe played a little too much 'doctor' when they were younger.

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Gm3VKXXmgdZ7CfYu8HEDrlWsOCWyToMS

austere fox Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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@uneven loom yeah you were asking about mods or smth?

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looked at my mentions

opaque hull Jan 17, 2020, 10:06 AM

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@broken elk why google drive?

woeful zodiac Jan 17, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Hades early access translated to Spanish the complete game for when?

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Hades early access translated to Spanish the complete game for when?

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Hades early access translated to Spanish the complete game for when?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 11:54 AM

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You should ask this question in localization channel

broken elk Jan 17, 2020, 1:02 PM

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@opaque hull won't let me just upload an image for some reason dunno why

dense jasper Jan 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I was just thinking of something.
Does anyone remember Hunchback of Notre Dame?

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Zagreus is like that old man that breaks free then gets trapped again

austere fox Jan 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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@broken elk just upload on imgur or some other website and post the direct link, discord supports embed information

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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can someone remind me whether Chaos can see into the future?

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Or is it just the fates? Wondering since the Chaos did give... birth(?) to the Moirai I believe

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Nyx did

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actually)

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Oh so not directly but rather like grandchildren

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ok yeah def wrong there lul

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but regardless, can he see into the future?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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but also there are lot versions

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hm

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 3:56 PM

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As I remember he can see infinite possibilities of particular event

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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and he can interfere

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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So basically, yes, and no

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Yep

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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That's the best answer because it basically means you can use it in practically any way you want to

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For example: Want to warn someone? I can see the future, don't do that! Don't want to warn someone? Well, I can see many futures, but I have no way of telling which you'll take. glhf lol dont look back

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Chaos is observer which watches with interest but don't interfere to much

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They're reminding me of Outsider's behavior in Dishonored

dreamy mortar Jan 17, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Found Eurydice in Asphodel again during my run. Couldn't be bothered to continue the run. Just standing there listening to the song.

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:08 PM

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failbag you know there are some guys... they like to watch

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yeah, her voice is wonderful

dreamy mortar Jan 17, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Yeah... I've got the in-game timer on. I've been standing for at least 8 minutes now

uneven loom Jan 17, 2020, 4:10 PM

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The soundtrack and singing in this game♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🐻

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:11 PM

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well SGG all about good story, music and songs

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Bless Darren and Ashley they've done a big and wonderful job

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:14 PM

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It gives me that same kind of happiness I had when I played games like Pokemon Diamond/Platinum and Undertale. Just getting lost in the music sometimes.

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Stopping and waiting to listen to Eurydice or Orpheus like lying on the floor with Napstablook

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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(Chaos is 'they,' not 'he' 😊💜)

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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also this

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Aaah forgot!

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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It's ok, I'm sure Chaos appreciates as long as we're trying to remember 😁

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Well I was completely wrong about their pronouns earlier, but there are also some accounts of Chaos being "her"

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I'm fairly certain pronouns as a concept in general aren't even applicable to Chaos. I don't think they care at all

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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There is also that

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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We only apply them for our own comfort

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Much like how Chaos applies that form in and of itself just so we can comprehend them

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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It would probably be easier to remember but the circumstances of their existence means not a lot of characters refer to them, so we don't see their pronouns much

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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chaos is more male form

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Out of all the gods, top three favorites everyone?

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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the in game one does certainly have a more masculine appearance

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I would say they're neither entirely

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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after all he had some chilldren with some goddess

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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but chaos was regarded as either she or they

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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The 'masculinity' you're seeing is just the portrayal of Greek gods imho

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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it was less "children" more "exude"

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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This is problem of my first language. In Russia we don't have a proper pronoun for nb people and gods

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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chaos yeets children out of her e x i s t e n c e

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Did chaos have children with other gods? Thought the gods just sprang out of the void/chaos

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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like i said

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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@plucky oracle I don't believe he can see into the future

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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chaotic yeeting

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Chaos just produced them

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"yeeting." Gonna use that.

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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isn't it just much more pleasing?

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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he has some lines about circumventing fates' designs

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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More memetic for sure

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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"how is nyx?"
"chaos yeet"
"ah, yes"

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I mean as far as Chaos as a character goes I can appreciate that interpretation, but they're our they/them non-binary character, making an effort to respect their pronouns basically is showing the effort to respect people's pronouns in general, which will make real life people feel more respected and accepted by extension

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Chaos: Hmmm I'm feeling lonely. yeets gods into existence

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That's how it went right?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Agree with leusid

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:23 PM

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more along the lines of "what if I did this?"

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Yeah that's kind of my feel

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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he sees a myriad possibilities now

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once chose, new options become available

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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and i'll yeet you, and you, oh and you

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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and he sees all of em, again

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unlike fates, that stick to the grand design

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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don't the fates create the design themselves?

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Yeah I think the Fates weave destiny

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I can understand that but that's more arguing for saying 'they/them' in context of them rather than saying what they are. Just pointing out that they wouldn't largely care because well, as an agender person who doesn't really care about gendered pronouns about myself I would understand that as most fitting for a sexless, genderless being @pearl plank

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yes, but once made it cannot be changed

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except for Chaos, who can bypass em

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Its more of in-universe talk vs meta talk

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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messing up their grand design

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Meta use they/them

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I'm pretty sure Chaos literally pointed out that they don't give a singular ounce of a shid about what pronouns are used for them

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Fair

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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remember Disney's Hercules?

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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though I may be misremembering*

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Chaos did indeed say that now that I remember

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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when Hercules dived into Styx to save Meg, fates were about to snap his line, ending his life

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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It wasn't exactly about pronouns though I think

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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but in that moment, his line turned invincible

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I think it was titles in general

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'What do I call you' etc

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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an unforeseen twist!

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Trying to understand the Fates is like only observing the backside of a tapestry.

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I mean, pronouns are in essence, titles

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I'd take that with a grain of salt though, Disney messed with a loooot of the lore, though largely to appeal to children and a more conservative audience

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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we all messing with lore here to be fair

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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sure, just using a visual example

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Chaos is above all, after all

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Yes, and they're important to us. This isn't to diminish them lets get that disclaimer out first Xeni

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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supergiant just did it much better than disney :^)

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I was under the impression though that that was correct, the Fates were weaving destiny themselves

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and I see Supergiant's narrative subtext suggesting the same is true in their game

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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The fates are a manifestation of Destiny if we take their role literally in Greek mythology

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Is the narrator supposed to be one of the Fates?

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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no

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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No he's not

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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he's one of dead philosophers

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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The fates are all women iirc

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Yeah they're women

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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That would be crazy

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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squirtnya Chronos

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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right

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Their names are the moirai fyi

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Actually yeah who the hell is the Narrator?

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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he's just vibing bro

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don't worry about it

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he really just voice in da head

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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mb Deadalus himself?

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Zagreus talks directly to them on many occassions

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Clearly he's actually a character

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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nah daedalus also vibin

plucky spear Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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It's the guy that narrates the rites in Pyre Kappa

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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He can't be Daedalus because Zag mentions him as gone

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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@plucky oracle moirai literally means fates in ancient greek

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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he is not gone

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he is locked somewhere iirc

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Daedalus isn't really gone he's just not "active" in his Daedalus'ing

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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That's still "gone"

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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yes that is a word shuup

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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He's not actively here

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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what? Daedalus is active all the time

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don't you memba, he keeps changing the rooms

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I mean, neither are the fates, but you could say the fates are always there because fate

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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The narrator also talks directly to the player on many occasions; whenever you beat Hades they tell you more or less to pretend he still got beaten

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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No he's not, these are the things he left

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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that's his punishment

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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@junior field no

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he constructed all this chambers

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Zag specifically says these are the things he left behind while making everything

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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It's less that he changes rooms and more that he constructed them all

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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^

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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they just works without his activityes now

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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what gives you the impression that he's "gone"?

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Daedalus, afaik, was hired by Hades even as a shade to construct things

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Daedalus is somewhere but where we don't know. Hence "gone."

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Zag doesnt know

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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just because his tools were left doesn't mean he suddenly stopped creating rooms

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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looks like Hades keeping him somewhere

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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because he could just as easily create new tools for himself

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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We're never given any indication of either Zepp

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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ah, we can't share images. I'll copy and paste the text

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Also, if you turn the Heat setting that upgrades the bosses to max, you'll get some text about Daedalus crafting the equipment and armor Theseus and Asterius use

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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upload to imgur and post the link

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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'...The master artisan called Daedalus has never known a peer, so it is little accident that the Lord Hades hand-selected him from all the shades residing in the Underworld to do his bidding for eternity, and for a hallowed place within Elysium, somewhere. Having designed the interlocking chambers all through Tartarus, and even the floorplan of the Lord Hades' house, Daedalus since discarded his own tools so that now others may make careful changes fitting of a genius such as he.'

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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That's the most we get about it

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Yeah a long time ago

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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now I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm pretty sure he's also responsible for repairing it

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Perhaps but once again we're given no indication

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For all we know he made tons lmao

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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@acoustic lake so does that mean he's somewhere in Elysium, still working for Hades?

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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The chariots are all in the warehouse with Hades capes

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LMAO

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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lmaoo

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i mean

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Good question. I think he's mentioned a few other times over various playthroughs but I don't remember exactly what was said about him

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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it could be but I'm pretty sure it mentions that he was the one repairing it actively

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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pretty sure there is something about the macedonian armor the bull and king wear during the boosted fight

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and how daedalus had a hand in it

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I never heard any dialog that said Daed repaired the chariot

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You're going to have to find that

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I think Zagreus says something about daedalus repairing it constantly thanks to him smashing it

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Chariots is just souls

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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That rings true to me though, like I said, I don't have a quote to back it

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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My dialog said that he just got it repaired

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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not oblects

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Didn't mention Daed at all

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I'll have to run it again, if I see anything I'll run it by ya

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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And I've killed that thing like 50 times now

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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bruhh

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i audibly bruh'd behind my computer

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that is a lot of theseus kills

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that guy drives me mad i cannot stand his pompous ass omg

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/csWDMtB.png

Imgur

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Deletus Theseus

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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heracles better >:^(

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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This image is from two days ago tho

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I love Theseus I'ma be real

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His joyriding is hilarious

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He's so damn smug I'm surprised he doesn't' collapse in on himself

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Theseus:

poopy
does not shower
screams at own ass
dumb idiot stupid
Heracles:
cool
heroic
saveds peopel
very nice and smart

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i think theseus had the most early game kills on me

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minus hades

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:36 PM

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any objections? didn't think so

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:36 PM

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tho i had a 16 win streak till i started my 32 heat grind

runic terrace Jan 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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theseus screams at own ass cuz its still on the chair

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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See? Undeniable proof that I am right

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checkmate athests....,

runic terrace Jan 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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bdjcjfkckg

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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all i'll say is that supergiant designed him to be hated

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Ik ik

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I jest

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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pretty sure he's pompous af in myths too

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tho ill need to fact check that since i never looked him up

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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If you hate a character that's designed to be hateable, that means the designers did their job right

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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He is

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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can wait to see how demeter plays into the story tho

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Technically, I like his character, but I like it because I know he is meant to be a pompous prick

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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knowing her personality and relationship to hades

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Oh, is Demeter the new olympian?

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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the cornucopia

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its my theory

sleek mauve Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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can somebody tell me how many health bars the final boss has?

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Yeah it looks like there's a cornucopia in the picture

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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2

sleek mauve Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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thx

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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ohhh you're absolutely right

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Makes me wonder what powers might be associated with her, if she has regular boons

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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That's kinda confusing though

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I mean... why would Demeter help Zagreus?

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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She might have an alternative mechanic compared to the others, like how Chaos' boons don't work the same as the Olympians

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Yeah

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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cus she hates hades

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and loves her daughter

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demeter is persephone's mom

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah, but by that extension, I feel like she would hate Zagreus for being associated with Hades, no?

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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persephone is zagerus's mom

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Will we have to earn her trust before getting her boons?

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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he is literally trying to get away from hades

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dont think so

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but it would be cool

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah, but he was also created partially from hades, and I'm pretty sure Demeter sees their pairing as a genuine atrocity

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@viral kiln big question - Does Demeter knows Zag is Persephone's son?

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Oh holll up

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Well take all this into account with the fact that the rest of the Olympians were unaware of Zagreus' existence or his connection to Persephone rather than Nyx

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Yeah

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Yeah exactly

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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that

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Demeter's gotta know

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Oh that's so confusing

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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The presentation of their announcement makes it seem like this is going to be a big story drop too

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Lotsa story here

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Gotta love story drops

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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expect the unexpected with this one

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quoted directly from the announcement

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hype rising

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I mentioned it before, but Supergiant might have changed this aspect

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Makes you wonder if it's not Demeter

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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it's not such unexpecting tbh

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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same

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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lolol

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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remember how Persephone's letter doesn't mention Zagreus, at all?

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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and if it is, what's she got to do with all this?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@junior field only Cerberus

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I got the impression that Zagreus might not be Persephone's biological child

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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so who is her son after all?

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no it's not

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It doesn't mention Zagreus, but do note that in pretty much all accounts in the lore, Persephone is involved in the creation of Zagreus

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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it's confirmed that he is their son

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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So that would be a pretty sizable lore-break

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Pers and Hades i mean

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I'm half wondering if they are using Cerberus as a sort of codeword?

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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as in, Hades had Zagreus made out of a piece of Hades and a piece of Persephone, without her knowledge

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Anyone else thought that?

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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The narrator tells us and Zagreus that she's his mother

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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that could also be it

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Unreliable narrator though?

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Yeah I'd like to think the narrator wasn't lying to us though, that would honestly kind of be a lame "plot twist"

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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she's his mother in the sense that he was made out of her, but she may not have given birth to him

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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he has been killing zag on farm tools lol

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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which would explain why the letter doesn't mention her own son

brave cobalt Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I thought narrator is Hades

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Different voice

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@tame bronze actually they can. I didn't thought about that

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Persephone didn't know about Zagreus' existence, so Demeter might not know either

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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you mean didn't uwu

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i think

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cuz don't lul

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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@lament flame Conspiracy theory activated.

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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game theory

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thanks for watching

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Did any of you ever get a vibe that Hades wants Zagreus to escape?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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not escape

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Yes, absolutely

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He wants him to meet Persephone

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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but just train him hard way

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Maybe not escape though

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More like "see I told you so" is the vibe I'm getting

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I think he wants Zag to find the truth but doesn't necessarily want to lose his son either.

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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which worries me for our poor ol' Zag-man

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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They've hinted at a lot of things being weird or potentially bad

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Hades definitely doesn't want Zag out from his dialog

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Narrator is called mythmaker in the subtitles, so it's definitely not Hades himself

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Like, who hired Skelly?

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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He does want him to grow, hence the bounties, but idk about escape

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Why are all those weapons in the room with him? Achilles doesn't know where they came from iirc

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nor Nyx

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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no

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he knows

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and he did that

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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the weapons are there because titans are down there, in Tartarus

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and the weapons yearn for titan blood

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Hades mentions himself the weapons end up with who they want

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Ah

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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hence blood unlocking aspects

uneven loom Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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theory crafting be like: “several people are typing”

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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he just dont pretend

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Skelly though?

austere fox Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Hey, to anyone interested in modding for Hades, I have created a discord server to discuss and share knowledge, link in #self-promotion !

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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no idea about Skelly

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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skelly was defo hired by achilles

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Skelly is a mystery

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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acc to me

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no proof

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Achilles says he has no idea who hired him

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Achilles says he has no idea yeah

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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skelly is Hades or Persephone's worker

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Hades would make sense

minor oyster Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Skelly is Bouldy's pawn

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clearly

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yes respawn portal looks like all hades minions

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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actually, yeah

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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skelly is actualy gamer

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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If I had to guess, maybe Hades wants him to get up and mess up stuff on Olympus

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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exactly, Skelly uses the same portal as Hades' minions

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Bouldy is the true mastermind confirmed.

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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don't tell hades 🤫

midnight sinew Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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is there any characters you can actually max on hearts right now?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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So I wonder who Skelly was in his mortal life

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Thanatos, Sisyphus, Skelly, and Megaera

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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@midnight sinew companion ones

uneven loom Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Maegara and Thanatos

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Sistlyphis and skelly

midnight sinew Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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got it!

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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@midnight sinew also add 2 more Nectar to Chaos to have 2 more prophecies

plucky oracle Jan 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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syphilis

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why are you booing me? I'm right

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Today's the day hopefully. Got max hearts on Thanatos but I'm hoping to get that one scene in Zag's bedroom.

midnight sinew Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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wait waht

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Good luck!

midnight sinew Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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do you
don't tell me you

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you totally do don't you

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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You can

midnight sinew Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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@_@

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gotta max thanatos

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Kind of find it funny though how Hermes and Ares have been commenting on the relationship. That was a nice touch.

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Yes. It's kinda cute

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Also Ares said gay rights

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Ares, Hermes, Dionysus, Artemis are like my top favs.

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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ATHENA DASH TO CARRY THE GAME

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Ares is kinda creepy with his blood and death obsession but he is god of war after all

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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He speaks so eloquently though.

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Which I lowkey was not expecting.

viral kiln Jan 17, 2020, 4:55 PM

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he is a tactitian second only to athena

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I was thinking about skelly still and looked back at the chat and was confused

brave cobalt Jan 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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What benefit we gain by giving Boudly nectars???

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@brave cobalt random buff

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Small random boosts ranging from 2% to 7%

brave cobalt Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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To sisphyus’ offerings?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:57 PM

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No

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 4:58 PM

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@brave cobalt u may have some little % to anything

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money

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cast damage

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Special

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DR

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and so one

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Gameplay aspects in general

brave cobalt Jan 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Oh! Thanks!

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For telling me skdmrne

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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what is skdmrne?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 5:00 PM

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And ambiguity bonus which does nothing at all shadesmile

brave cobalt Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Its a random

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yup

brave cobalt Jan 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Aww thats cute as well!

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@tame bronze interesting thought about cerberus being a code word, not wanting to put Zag's name in writing...... tho Hades did tell Zag directly to tell Pers that cerberus is doing well which, lol.. wouldn't really make sense in concealing Zag's identity at that point

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maybe he just didn't want Zag to know he cares about him, like the classic emotionally constipated jerk he is

tame bronze Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Emotionally constipated pretty much sums up Hades to a T.

surreal swift Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Hades doesn't have time in his schedule to be a dad

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He's too busy making time to stop Zag from leaving

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dolphinW

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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classic abuser

proven summit Jan 17, 2020, 5:25 PM

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anybody else think it's annoying that sometimes meg and thanatos just decide to not be there when you have ambriosa to give?

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 5:25 PM

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eh, sort of

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have you tried reentering the big room?

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people sometimes appear/leave when you do that

acoustic lake Jan 17, 2020, 5:28 PM

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One time I accidentally forgot to talk to Nyx before walking into the bedroom and went back and she wasn't there

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 5:29 PM

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yep, learned that lesson real quick

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@proven summit there are 4(for now) characters which can give you Companion

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Sisiphus is one of them

proven summit Jan 17, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ah alright, and he can give you bouldy?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 5:48 PM

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if u lvlup his relationship

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with nectar

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well almosrt

proven summit Jan 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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yeah i know how all of that works

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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he give u some toy

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it can SUMMON bouldy to the battle

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 5:53 PM

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This toy name is Shady and he's a real cutie! Also has cool sound effect when you equip him

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Did anyone mentioned - all enemies leave some dark substance in fight

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even Hades

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only Zag is bleeding

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Hades too? Gosh

proven summit Jan 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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yeah he got the blood from like, his mother

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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his mother goddess too

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I think this black substance may be darkness itself but most likely blood of gods just have different color.

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Funny

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i just realised

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oh nvm

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Alecto has line about color of Zagreus blood (that's she is calling him redblood)

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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and also god of trash 😄

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I mean Zag must be god of something?)

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Heh

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 6:29 PM

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https://www.google.com/search?q=ichor

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Oh thank you!

pearl plank Jan 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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np just recently learned of that myself haha

bleak osprey Jan 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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i like the idea of golden blood because it would be super aesthetic on thanatos ilu

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Y E S

bleak osprey Jan 17, 2020, 6:31 PM

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If Only™️

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fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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so it's transparent?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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In medicine - yes, but in mythology - no

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:36 PM

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volfredthink it cant be transparent in medicine

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Can be

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It values from transparent to light yellow

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:39 PM

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failbag why does russian wiki says it's transparent and english says nothing about it

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funny - Oil is giants ichor)

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Also would be cool if ichor of each of the Gods had different color not just black

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:45 PM

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i do not think gods can be wounded so easy

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Yes but still this is interesting concept

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:46 PM

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and we have only 1 god fight

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oh

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and what about Meg

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i never mentioned her blood

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but i remeber she dies just like Zag

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Huh

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Actually she is

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:47 PM

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and her other sisters just turn in bats or something

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I though it was butterflies

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 6:48 PM

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more like bats

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and sound like bats

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Make sense

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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no she has same dark liquid

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http://prntscr.com/qp7dvq

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celest cosmos Jan 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Zag is the God of blood, that’s why he bleeds

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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God of reborn i might say

celest cosmos Jan 17, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Nah, it’s in the game with a conversation about it when you romance Thanatos

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Achilles writes it in the journal and Zag is like “I’m not the God of anything!” And he’s like “You’re the son of a God and you control blood shards...”

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Comes back from a pool of blood, etc

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Achilles thinks Zag is god of blood so we can't say for sure but it is fair point and actually a good explanation

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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bloodstones?

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Yep

celest cosmos Jan 17, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Well that’s true but yeah, I think it’s a pretty good assumption

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I still think he has both part of god of dead and god of the living

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and Demeter is god of season also have somekinda cycle of life and death

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in winter and summer

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:36 PM

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That's why title "God of Blood" suits Zagreus well. Blood is associated with both life and death

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Without blood we (mortals) will die

agile wadi Jan 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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tbf the pool of blood isnt specific to zag

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thats just the river styx

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:49 PM

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You right

agile wadi Jan 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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the blood stones do appear to be zag specific, but when hades tags you with his skulls the condition is called the same as yours is

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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well

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is it coincidence that debuff called Boiling blood

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and casts called bloodstones?

glad lion Jan 17, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Its hard to find but in actual myth isn't Zagreus sometimes the god of rebirth?
and thematically it would make sense with leaving the underworld repeatedly for every run
also I like the dialog Hades has of "you shrug off death as if its nothing" or something along those lines

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Yes, he maybe god of rebirth but "rebirth prosses" not exclusive to Zag. Hades and Meg also came back each time they were "killed" by Zagreus

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:58 PM

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same as Hades

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and all other

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Why isn't hades a dating Sim

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:41 PM

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well isnt it?

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u can date already 2 of them

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Whats up with te hearts

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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for now

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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the*

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Is it useless after you get the trinkests

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:42 PM

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lvl of releationsship?

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sometimes yes

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sometimes now

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it's always new dialogues

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also Chaos can give you something not bad

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and there some bonds u can create with proper chars

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 8:44 PM

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You can chose between Tanatos or Megaera romance route actually. Or not choose, but romance both at same time (they are okay with that)

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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you don't have to choose, you can do both of em

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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There arn't any lewds in-game?

junior field Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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nope

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though there is some whipping

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Well you win some you lose some

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 8:46 PM

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@junior field I said that too ;)

hollow garden Jan 17, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Think Persona but the social links don't offer you things every level and only 2 characters are romanceable instead of the entire female cast.

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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It's a good system but i think they can add a bunch of stuff for all the characters

worldly beacon Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Wait you can romance than?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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failbag romance Cerber. Dusa. Hades. Skelly. Wretched broker. Master-chef?

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Only Tanatos or Megaera

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I wanted Arthemis

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But all i got was a tsundere

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Artemis is impossible choice

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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She's the best of all the Olympian gods

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Hands down

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:51 PM

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failbag why?

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:53 PM

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character wise i like her more then Aphrodite, i mean they are both fantasticly made but I'm a sucker for charaters like Artemis

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Plus she gives crit

solar depot Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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@worldly beacon yes, you can romance than!

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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how does her utiluty

solar depot Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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oh wait someone answered you already 🙌

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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makes her good person for romance?

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shadeeyeroll

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:54 PM

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It dosen't

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:55 PM

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and if we speak about wisdom you choose Athena

worldly beacon Jan 17, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I'll have to get some more ambrosia then lol

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I've been spending it all Upgrading the bouldy legendary keepsake

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After getting it maxed I think I have 1 ambrosia

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Aretmida may look mild but dont forget Orion

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or Adonis

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Artemis seems more honest in her emotions than the other gods, at least this is how I feel. I want to hang out with her (and hug her)

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I agree @lament flame

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She gives me that teenager vibe

solar depot Jan 17, 2020, 8:58 PM

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also, i think it's only reasonable that finding someone useful and valuable in practical realms might just increase your liking of them and thus your desire to romance 🙏

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Yes

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Olympian gods are hot-tempered revengeful and shifty

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Aphrodite loves everyone. But if you don't love her, she wants you ded.

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Going on story alone Arthemis has almost nothing bad to Hades or Zag

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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i might say they are pretty close to people

solar depot Jan 17, 2020, 8:59 PM

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mood

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Artemis seems like the only sane woman in the Olympians xD

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Ups

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Seeing how she distants herself from her crazy family just makes her taht more attractive

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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sane?

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Read about Calisto

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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True

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Well Artemis' followers had very specific requirements

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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so much sanity - turn violated woman into a bear

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failbag

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Wasn't that Hera who did that?

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Out of jealousy since Zeus was the one who turned himself into Artemis?

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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#ArthemisDidNothingWrong

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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there are...versions

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same with Orion

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same with Adonis

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Yeah, and I think how we view the events are a result of our culture clashing against that of the ancient Greeks

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Oh yeah, Artemis in some versions turns her violated nymph into a bear then kills her

timber obsidian Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Artemis is very wrathful in the mythos

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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and what about Niobe?)

timber obsidian Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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kinda quirky doe

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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@steady beacon Wasn't Hera the one who did it?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Artemis and Apollo killed all her children

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Is niobe the one she and Apollo slaughter all the childre- yep

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@sharp night more tha n one version of the Greek myths, my friend

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Yeah, that makes it hard to determine Artemis' character :x

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Greek gods are wild. All of them are not saints. And this is point of all Acient Greek myths

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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i know

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Some of them makes her go "GTFO"

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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so i must say ALL greek gods have some dark secrets

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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and there are actually some that aren't as horrific

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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so better be carefull

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Ironically Hades is one of the more upstanding ones xD

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Demeter is one of the kindest

solar depot Jan 17, 2020, 9:07 PM

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hey folks! interesting convo but try to either keep it centered on the game up in here or take it to #off-topic-discussion pls

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:07 PM

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but even she punished people for their dids

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Hades did kidnap Persephone, though

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:07 PM

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So yeah Arthimis still best girl yo

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:07 PM

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failbag

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeah, but he also genuinely loved her and was loyal to her. Wonder if it could tie into why he's such a grump ingame

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He may be genuinely heartbroken and is reacting the only way he knows how. Being a gigantic grumpasaurus

shy socket Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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The biggest puzzle is why it's winter in the world of mortals

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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@coarse stone looks like he still has something for her

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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That's actually not so much a puzzle

shy socket Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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When she's clearly not in hell

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Persephone never returned to Olympus

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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@shy socket Cus Demeter is missing Persephone

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Oh right

shy socket Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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zag kinda searched every corner

and duh, I know the myth

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Is she on Olympus?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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no

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Persephone abandoned her mother and is on the mortal plane

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Nah

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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she said she wont be back

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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so her mother thinks that she's in the underworld so WINTERTIME

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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She somewhere between the House of Hades and Olympus

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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She's probably enjoying the mortal world somewhere nice and beautiful

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Winter = Persephone in Hell
Summer = Persephone on the mortal plane

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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on the beach. With a garden.

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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no

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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and actually isn't it Spring/Summer when Perse is with Demeter

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fall when she's going to return to the underworld soon

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and winter when she's with Hades

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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And neither she nor the narrator ever say she goes to the mortal realm. Isn't that interesting?

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Actually

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Persephone doesnt determines season - Demeter does

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:10 PM

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It says she's between heaven (olympus) and hell (underworld)

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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and if Persephone even in mortal world she still not with he rmother

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and winter contnues

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thats the reason

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i think

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Basically Demeter is the source of the seasons. She believes that Persephone remained with Hades.

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:11 PM

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How many realms are there in the Greek Mythos

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I don't want Zag Kilin Hades to be the end of a run

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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1?

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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There's Olympus as the "heaven" variant, the Underworld and it's divisions ("hell" variant) and the mortal world

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and the boundaries are simply traversable by the gods

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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both of them are still part ofthe 1 world no?

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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If Persephone isn't in the mortal world she must be somewhere on Olympus

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Persephone isn't on Olympus

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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mortals could enter and exit underworld

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Otherwise it would NOT be Winter

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Greek Mythos is for the most part quite easy to understand but really difficult to remember names and lores

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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@coarse stone Where is she

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Turns out you're right, she does say her place should be somewhere between the two of them. Looked at the screencap I had of it to be sure

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:13 PM

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She is in the mortal world as per her letter

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of wanting a house near the beach

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maybe with a little garden

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I still like my other theory

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Olympus is canonically on a mountain. No beaches there.

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Because it's MOUNT Olympus after all

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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and somehow I'm getting the image of Persephone just chilling on a beach in a swimsuit and ignoring everything around her lol

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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What if when you exit the Underworld you get beamed up on Olympus and have to fight your way down?

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Persephone with a bikini just chilling

iron flame Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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blocking out family drama with her huge shades 🤔

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Persephone is smart

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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april fool's update there...

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:15 PM

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She would be the best girl then

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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i still waiting Kade's theory

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Telling everyone to dealwithit and leave her alone with her garden

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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But shes a mom...

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Doesn't mean she can't be best girl

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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True indeed

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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She is a mom who cares much about dog not about son

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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That she essentially is working with Hermes, Charon, and Skelly. And Charon, in particular, who Achilles in his journal seems to have an even better grasp of the underworld than Hades, brought her somewhere in the underworld and hid her away.

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Well Ceberus is the best doggo

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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and Zag is worst son according to Hades

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Because, that way, it would mean we could still find her even though there will only ever be these four biomes.

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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What if Persephone is waiting for Zag

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and purposely didn't reference him to spur him to find out why

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:17 PM

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But I still think that Arthemis is best girl

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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That would make the beach with the garden a hint, then, correct? Maybe even the mention of Cerberus, too.

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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idk why is he even tries to seek her?

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I'd like to think Pesephone believes that Zag will someday overpower Hades and leave hell

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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He wants to find out why she left him

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Zag wants to find his mother

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for answers

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Best way to do that? Make sure that he has questions to ask.

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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like?

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Why did she leave him

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Must be hard on Hades being a single father and all

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Did she love him

steady beacon Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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And he never felt like he fit in the Underworld, so he's very much jumping at the chance to try to leave

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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failbag he has Nyx

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she loves him

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Then he finds out that Nyx isn't his real mother

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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yup

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Isn't Nyx like Nordic?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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but still she loves him as his own child

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Nyx is primidorial

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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bruh

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Greek primidorial

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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and he did for him so much

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Nordic?

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:19 PM

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as mother

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Yes, but she's still not his birth mother. While he still loves her as a mother, he wants to find out about the woman who brought him into existance.

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Saw her in Smite when i played it a long time ago so i don't remember if she was Nordic or nah

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Since he inherited the fact that he technically doesn't fit in with the underworld from Persephone

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and nah, Nyx is the Greek form of Nox

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Nox is Roman, Nyx is Greek

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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So if you find out - somewhere exist a woman who gave birth to you but never apeears in your life never helped you and even didnt care about you - why would you seek her?

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Romans just changed every greek being's name basically

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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only to stab her twice may be?

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Zag was given questions on why Persephone left and left not only Ceberus, Hades, but also him

spring remnant Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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tfw it's today instead of 5 days from today when the update launches hobbCry

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Yeah, stab them, what else? "Oh, you left me when I was but a baby? Get shanked!"

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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He wants closure with persephone

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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why does he need answers for that?

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Because it's a question that he would have

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:23 PM

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He never left the Underworld that's why

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:23 PM

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that would cause him to be unhappy until he gets that answer

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It's similar to what happens with adopted children finding out that they're adopted and being curious to where they came from

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:23 PM

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why does he even cares about questioning some far and unfamiliar woman? he could ask his door with same success

sharp night Jan 17, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Gonna hit the sack and some ceremorniale wine see ya guys around

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Because it's his mother and she left him for some unknown reason to him?

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Because through her letter, Persephone seems to at least be caring. Zag's not going to assume that she just hated him and didn't want anything to do with him or Hades.

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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cya

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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so he is just unpleasent child

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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As to the idea "why didn't she take him", she technically couldn't

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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for both of his parents

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:25 PM

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She had no authority to take Hades' heir away from him since he was the "head of the family"

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:26 PM

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failbag i still cant understand Zag's motives

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i want to find mother cus i want to find mother

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:26 PM

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He's like a teenager who wants to find out who he is, why he doesn't fit in, and why his mother left

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:26 PM

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What he's doing is perfectly normal. People that grew up believing that the people they were living with were their relatives tend to ask questions about their real parents.

lament flame Jan 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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You right

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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You would as well, I believe so

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I think Persephone intentionally wrote her letter

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in a way that not only spurred on Zag

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but also gave him a clue to where to find her

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Perhaps with the intent that she wants to see him again

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I better say it's not HER letter

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:27 PM

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and she may even know that he may not even fit in with the Underworld

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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or mb Hades left it to be found

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by Zag

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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I don't think it's Hades' either

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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If he left it to be found then he wouldn't be so adamant about Zag leaving the underworld

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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well for me it's kinda easy

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:28 PM

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For one, Hades wouldn't throw out a letter from Persephone out of spite

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He still loves her

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(but he's kinda a child and doesn't like her being brought up because it hurts him that she willingly left)

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I think he hid it in that mass stack of paperwork

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and Zag basically managed to find it

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I believe Hades is just trying to not lose the last and only person that matters to him in the underworld

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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all this runs, Pact and all of this - big Hades's plan for creating strong successor of his own

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I think Hades is trying to make Zag strong

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Hades gives motives - Mother

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Because the stronger that Zag is

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the less that another of the Olympians has a chance against him

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Hades doesn't seem to trust any of his family that much

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Hades create unpleasent environment to force him

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and he still gives much opportunities to run

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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idk about the making him strong theory

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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he keeping his weapon

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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What if Demeter is the "mortal world" boss

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because she wants to force Persephone back with her

fickle yoke Jan 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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he hired Achiles to teach him

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and Hades himself meet him in the end to make final exam

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Anywhoo, have to head out to work, have fun everyone!

lavish frost Jan 17, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Because that's what most parents in ancient greece would do?

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Teaching your children how to handle a sword wasn't something out of ordinary

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Hiring Achilles was basically doing what a father at the time would do to his children

coarse stone Jan 17, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Sparta sent their 7 year old boys to learn how to wage war

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Hades just took Sparta's idea and said "Well he can't technically die, lets send EVERYTHING against him to see how long he lasts."