they made it extremely easy to mod
#h1-story-discussion
austere fox
opaque hull
Also, shield is so horrendously OP that you can beat the entire game with no mirror upgrades when using it
austere fox
y the front block
but what I find to be most op on shield is hammer upgrade "attack hits twice"
with ares curse it stacks like crazy
austere fox
+xx% atk ?
opaque hull
The real reason the shield is OP is bull rush
austere fox
yeah, block
austere fox
that too, y
anyway I'm glad 3 people tried my mod kappa
I wonder what could I do next
opaque hull
Bull rush + throw 6 bouncing crit + doom shields
untold sable
bull rush is fun as hell
austere fox
to be fair enemies with shields also have this ability
opaque hull
@austere fox Mix up the enemies :p
Like we can get 30 flame wheels in a tiny room in tartar sauce
austere fox
yeah I think someone asked for this before
I can try and see how the game handles it
opaque hull
Is there any documentation on the lua scripts?
austere fox
none
opaque hull
They're pretty large some of them and I'm a lazy ass
austere fox
there's a few comments from devs here and there but that's it
if you're interested in modding I can help you out
sharp bobcat
All weapon unlocks?
austere fox
you equip all 3 aspects at once
opaque hull
Ech, that's a cheat more than a mod ๐
austere fox
y it's pretty fun
opaque hull
Can we add our own aspects?
austere fox
not sure but it's easy to change what an aspect does
you can also make it change multiple stats
UnitProperty = "Speed",
BaseValue = 1.1,
ChangeType = "Multiply",
ExtractValue =
zagreus's stygius base aspect
opaque hull
That's probably faster since I don't need my own assets
Adding an aspect is probably as easy as adding one to a list with all the linked assets
opaque hull
Kek
austere fox
no,
adding an aspect is not hard
but the ui is not made for that
so you'd have to change it so it can show up
opaque hull
Whipped something up with the enemies too but will test tmr prolly cuz work
You can have it replace the hidden aspect no?
The game reads the list and polulates the UI right?
austere fox
hidden aspect is an ui element indeed but there's no mention of it in the upgrades
no clue, haven't looked at ui
oh nvm it's there
{
MaxUpgradeLevel = 5,
DisableBuy = true,
DisableUpgrade = true,
},
disabled
opaque hull
Well the UI should be populated with the list it reads. Is hidden aspect not one of them?
Aah there you go
Just a flag set on it
austere fox
yeah so you can make a new trait and link it to that
opaque hull
A list of possible flags would be nice ๐ ๐
austere fox
gonna try and see what happens with 5 upgrades on the screen
btw it's a boolean not a flag
opaque hull
A secret god of scrollbars will appear in game, holding persephone hostage
austere fox
lol
opaque hull
A boolean flag then
austere fox
nah a flag is "has player reached this point/done that etc"
a boolean is just a variable that is either true or false
opaque hull
In game terms I guess
But generally if it marks something it can be called a flaf
I stick by my typo
austere fox
yeah no clue how to add a scrollbar kappa
graceful wharf
@paper pawn now it's my turn to need your blessing i'm attempting 32 heat, raise both your hands up to the sky and lend me your strength
paper pawn
raises nubs for you
I would recommend slow and steady, but if you're running the timer to save some heat, MOW THEM DOWN BOYO
graceful wharf
good enough, i'm doing for you my Skelly boi
i would never touch tight deadline on high heat
paper pawn
it seems the winning trick with max timer is to take everything off calisthenics
because you can handle more adds
you can't really handle more adds AND more health
haughty carbon
yay I beat Hades for the first time. 
paper pawn
congrats!
haughty carbon
was quite a weird combination, but guess it worked.
graceful wharf
yeah it takes forever to kill something
hollow garden
More adds and health hurts
haughty carbon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/663708825773408286/20200106144045_1.jpg and yes I did have a tooth, but it never came to fact that I used it in the run.
paper pawn
even if you had, a clear is a clear, hooray!
main gulch
fellow rail user!
opaque hull
Wait do people have something against the tooth?
It's not even the strongest keepsake
graceful wharf
i use the tooth all the time
haughty carbon
True that, just feared a slight there, sometimes people go "this item tho" and it kind of worked as a reflex there, but yeah singleplayer game no one should care much for what others pick in the run.
main gulch
reasonable fear on the internet heh
sharp bobcat
The only thing I wont treat as an achievement is if you won with viscious cycle + seeking blades
Because thats not winning
Thats cheating
paper pawn
LOL
graceful wharf
Sounds like dark souls syndrome
paper pawn
ye we grats all first clears here, it's daunting doing it for the first time doesn't matter what you use
haughty carbon
But yeah I am happy, kind of relief I won after the first time I battled with him and he pulled out a second boss phase on me with 360 lasers.
graceful wharf
Wonder if SG will ever add extreme measure to Hades
paper pawn
great fear
haughty carbon
also something funny is that usually my runs were not ended by Hades or Elysium warriors but the Bone Hydra, I swear, I beat it once and afterwards I spent 3 or so runs learning how to beat it again after my first run.
lucid salmon
Extreme Measures Hades turns it into a duo boss with Persephone
sharp bobcat
I will say it a million times so people discover it
extreme hydra is made tremendously easier with the help of Skelly
paper pawn
I like seeing marked improvement every time though feels good to be getting better and consciously see it
sharp bobcat
hydra heads that can't reach him will still try to kill him
So put him by the boat where you enter in at
Like for the final head phase (or second one, I take most my damage in last one)
graceful wharf
Mom and dad team up to beat their helpless son? Now that is extreme
paper pawn
LOL
opaque hull
@austere fox how did you manage this ๐
lucid salmon
Define "helpless"
austere fox
WeaponUpgradeScripts.lua
from what I understand they put rectangles and images then text boxes on top
not sure whats the "clickable" element
graceful wharf
Helpless before the might of a perfect duo
lucid salmon
Damn ๐
opaque hull
Clickable is a list item?
austere fox
a flag like you would say
opaque hull
I think it's just a clickable object that you can attach a script to
austere fox
it's another ui element
@opaque hull I'll continue testing later, have to do homework
opaque hull
Homework, now that's a name I haven't hears in years
austere fox
lucky you
opaque hull
Lol just wait till you have to do emergency bugfixing on christmas day
hollow garden
Are you modding it lol
opaque hull
Of course!
pure solstice
could anyone tell me if there's any use of abroisa other then making it titans blood? ๐
graceful wharf
Woah woah don't trade it for titan blood, Ambrosia is like a super nectar which you can give to some specific people and earn their companions
hollow garden
There is
As Marcoos said it's used for high level gifting and unlocking Companion Keepsakes (and improving them)
However trading your first couple Ambrosia is likely fine, given as high level gifting is honestly the most late game thing you can unlock
graceful wharf
yeah trading a few is fine but these companions can help a lot in your run
hollow garden
Yeah but they're so late game it's honestly not really worth banking it up until you start unlocking them.
Companions by far take the longest time to unlock out of anything in the game.
It's actually a considerate drag in all honesty.
(see #hades-feedback for increasing nectar gains per reward room)
Like it's the only thing that takes light years to grind. Everything else can now be gotten on like run 2 or 3.
graceful wharf
fair, i only knew about companion after a few dozens run
hollow garden
Like it definitely takes the longest to unlock them. The companions are great but they take so long to unlock that until you're at that point in the game you might as well turn your Ambrosia into Titan Blood and pump up your aspects
graceful wharf
at least you can get Sisyphus companion the earliest, in my case that is and it's the best imo, deals decent damage and heals you
hollow garden
Honestly I think his takes the longest to get
You have to spend diamonds on it
Diamonds are honestly the hardest resource to gain quickly given that everything uses them in the mid game.
main gulch
Skelly is easiest to get
pure solstice
damn this seems like something that i haven't reached yet then, i'm 47 hours in and all weapons are 5 heat or higher
37 h*
hollow garden
only 4 characters have companions
You need to max their affinity and do a favor for them before you can gift Ambrosia and get it
open void
im not at the late game grind yet but I think it would be a bit more mitigated if there was a boon that like gave you two nectar per nectar room, maybe a chaos boon? though getting 10 to start the trading cycle doesnt seem too bad but again im still comparatively early
graceful wharf
Meg and Than companions really depend on rng according to some people
open void
I have skellys and of everyone I wuld think Than would be the hardest because the RNG
meg might show up a bit easier because its a 1/3 chance on the first floor (id assume its weighted evenly)
pure solstice
so to trigger any of these companion related things you'd have to maxed the nectar given to certain npcs?
open void
yeah max the nectar then give one ambrosia
and do a favour
least thats how it was for skelly
hollow garden
Thanatos' favor is just randomly completed by encountering him at max rank. He's just kinda rare.
Meg's favor is completed by running Extreme Measures level 1 enough to get her more accustomed to working with her sisters. It's also RNG.
Sisyphus' favor is only doable after maxing his affinity and then getting dialogue prompts to find his release paperwork in the House Contractor. It costs 3 Diamonds afaik.
Skelly's favor is to kill him with a maxed Zag aspect Sword in the courtyard.
Once you complete their favor you can gift them the next time you see them again.
Gift them Ambrosia, the reward from Theseus
remote knot
Skellys seems annoying
hollow garden
Which unlocks the companion
open void
skellys is just costly cause its 5 titan blood
remote knot
Zag sword is like the last one I want to upgrade
hollow garden
Yeah I didn't find it bad cause I had it maxed already
hollow garden
Zag Sword is much better than people think.
remote knot
Chaos shield for life
open void
plus the reason is really funny
remote knot
Po sword is better
open void
Railgun gang
remote knot
Na
pure solstice
'okay great thanks, was thinking there had to be something i was missing ๐
hollow garden
My best sword clear is with the Zag aspect so I'm honestly inclined to disagree
remote knot
Penguin gang
hollow garden
S P E E D
open void
I should try Eris aspect ? whatever the middle is called
hollow garden
Yep
open void
the hit yourself one
remote knot
Also dusa gang
hollow garden
You're also rewarded with 6 Diamonds for completing the Skelly quest, helps you a ton with getting those resource upgrades.
(from the Fated List)
open void
so far ive been running zag and hestia (hestia is so fun if you remap reload to L1)
remote knot
I don't need diamonds rn I need fing Titans blood and gems
hollow garden
You also get 4 Ambrosia from the list for freeing Sisyphus
pure solstice
yeah honestly i've been pumpming diamonds for buncha songs so glad to hear there are other uses for that one too
graceful wharf
the contract for sisyphus cost 10 diamonds Kasumi, so yeah it's a lot now that i think about it
hollow garden
You need 12 diamonds afaik for every resource upgrade (in total, it's 3 per)
open void
i have a ton of diamonds because ive gotten unlucky with my contractor things
remote knot
Diamonds are Hydra tho and that's really easy to farm?
open void
kinda wish it wasnt so random with the unlocks
hollow garden
You only get 1 per run though, which is the problem if you're trying to unlock those upgrades.
remote knot
I hate contracter
hollow garden
It's slow considering they usually cost 3.
open void
i wish there was at least a shuffle button you could hit once per home visit
remote knot
Getting to Hydra is like 10 minutes if your moderately fast that's around 30 minutes not counting just casual runs
open void
keep an element of the randomness
remote knot
I absolutely despise contracter cause I can't get gems
open void
but then make it easier for me when i get stuck with like 300 300 and 5000 gem costs
viscid marsh
farm like a maniac
open void
i guess play for forever
it seems like such a high amount
it was also for cosmetics so no big deal just something to reward you for playing and grabbing it
opaque hull
Or change the reward values, but who'd ever want to do that? 
opaque hull
๐ก
open void
the fish would be too strong
remote knot
He ain't that op
remote knot
No
opaque hull
I'd like a puffer fish weapon
open void
different colour clothes for zag
remote knot
No
open void
maybe a really expensive closet
opaque hull
Special shoots spikes and slows enemies with them
opaque hull
And bash ppl in the face with it
open void
and like a green/blue/yellow or whatever clothes for a few diamonds a pop
opaque hull
Oh is this jojo we re talking about?
open void
i want to wear green to match the best Goddess
opaque hull
I haven't followed it after stardust
remote knot
Zag cosplaying JoJo characters
Zag cosplaying a pufferfish cosplaying JoJo characters
Yes pato
graceful wharf
imagine liking Artemis whe-, oh wait she is the best
open void
Every time artemis has a little line or talk with zag I just double down on her being my favourite character wise
fast idol
"t-time to take down the dirt for the prince" and then she starts blasting
fast idol
Hubert and Dusa both need guns
fast idol
to get their full potential
remote knot
#Givedusaalazerbeam
fast idol
Anyways, do i need stuff from the contractor to give Ambrosia to anyone?
remote knot
I don't think so
open void
i think you need to for sisyphus
remote knot
Max hearts via something else and a task
open void
his task is to get his contract through the contractor from what ive heard
remote knot
Meg Sisyphus Thanatos and Skelly are the ones that have it so far I believe
open void
thans is max nectar then meet him in a run
remote knot
Sisyphus needs contractor for his task right
remote knot
Skelly is kill him with a maxed zagreus blade
fast idol
even though I do have him on max hearts
fast idol
I guess there is more story yet
I do
can't give him more nectar when he chills in the house
open void
hm thats odd
ive only given ambrosia to skelly so far so cant really give you a personal play by play though
fast idol
I'm also assuming that Sisyphus and Orpheus can be given Ambrosia later on
once you free them from their contracts
remote knot
Idk of orpheus
open void
also something i noticed that im pretty sure is a glitch but boy im happy about it
is whenever than leaves either in a run or the house
remote knot
But yes to Sisyphus
open void
you can still give him nectar? or at least the prompt is still there
open void
Achilles
open void
i hope he gets one
hes one of my favourite characters so far
plus i could bring him to go see ||Patroclus||
fast idol
How many empty spaces for partners are there that are locked behind construction?
open void
iirc 2?
fast idol
Ye, then I'm really assuming its Achilles and either Orpheus or maybe even Nyx?
open void
im also really interested in seeing the fourth aspects on the weapons
graceful wharf
i'll be very angery if they don't add Theseus as the final aspect for spear
open void
i want an artemis bow
pallid crag
i dont
open void
though i doubt theyll give us aspects of weapons characters "alive" are using
oh speaking of weapons what if we get a whip for the new one
pallid crag
same reason theres no athena aspect for aegis
open void
meg could have some dialogue talking about you copying her or something she uses a whip right?
lucid salmon
Athena's shield is considered a different one of the same name in this game's lore
open void
im really curious on what it could be cause aside from like
an axe
they have the bases covered really well
pallid crag
caelondian hammer outta nowhere
graceful wharf
@fast idol i think you need to win against Than enough times too before being able to give him ambrosia but don't quote me on that
fast idol
We can use the same spear hades uses no?
open void
nope its his old one
fast idol
Or the original one? I'm still not sure how it works
open void
i should do a run with it to see if hes got dialogue for it
fast idol
He does
I feel like i triggered all the weapons based dialogue already which makes me a little sad
open void
i found out theres dialogue for when you have a rarity yarn and go into the thesus fight
which is really cool and obscure
fast idol
There's two even
fast idol
If you go with it into the fight a second time he has a follow up reaction
I really like it
fast idol
The game is so choke full with neat character interactions
proper cairn
I have returned from my week of death
fast idol
Welcome back from
Vacation?
lament flame
And there is no dialogue about Hera's aspect... This is sad. Or maybe I missed it?
fast idol
Maybe it's gonna be added still
We know we get more of that delicious dialogue we crave with every patch
lament flame
Yeah
paper pawn
is there any trigger to make orpheus sing when you select pieces from the music stand
fast idol
I also really hope we can get Charon's portrait soon
paper pawn
because sometimes it just plays the track without vocals
fast idol
No, he randomly starts singing when you arrive at the house
deep spoke
Someone mentioned sixth weapon... I hope it's daggers or some kinda staff.
lament flame
I want Nyx portrait so bad
fast idol
A magic based burst weapon would be interesting ngl
fast idol
F A S T
deep spoke
Aesculapius Aspect, kills have a chance to drop healing!
Small heals like the mirror heal, 3hp or so
Or 5
open void
daggers would be cool, a staff would be neat, but im a sucker for whips and axes so thats what im hoping for
deep spoke
Whip... ha, so you wanna be a Fury?
What if we got Fury Mode though
That would be the true big brain moment
open void
I just want some dialogue between meg and zag about how she taught him how to use a whip but is still better before an encounter with her
open void
that and whips are just fun to use
deep spoke
Whip and axe were my expectations, but Dagger would be fun too
open void
i cant think of a special for it though
deep spoke
Backstab bonus
open void
maybe grabbing an enemy and tossing them?
deep spoke
Whip special? Whipcrack, sonic boom aoe at the tip
open void
a whip could have a sweetspot do a crit but is hard to hit
deep spoke
Mm, too impractical.
open void
or maybe just increased damage
fast idol
You get an aspect for every fury
deep spoke
Hey, that's a good idea
fast idol
Aoe, Stun and rush special maybe
deep spoke
Axe is also possible. We don't have any big heavy weapons
And doing the Asterius sweeping charge for a special would be fun
open void
yeah thats why im thinking axe
open void
whatever the weapon is im sure itll be fun
deep spoke
Although it would need to be seriously good to make up for basically no range.
open void
all the weapons have been solid
deep spoke
Definitely holding out for a strange weapon like a magic staff though
deep spoke
We already have lots of melee.
So, a third ranged weapon would make sense.
Since the right side is ranged so far...
open void
i really want to get the Artemis dislodge the cast on the posideon aspect sword
deep spoke
...also, is anyone else hoping Hecate shows up?
open void
hecate as the new God would be cool
deep spoke
I really want Hecate to be the new god or an Aspect
Hence magic staff. Three aspects: Hermes, Aesculapius, Hecate
Speed, healing, and magic power...
Or, you know. To complete that old school Bastion thing. Maybe we'll get a flamethrower?
fast idol
Is hecate an olympian?
deep spoke
Hephaestus Bellows
Oh wait. Hecate is Chthonian.
...maybe we'll see her in Hades eventually?
deep spoke
Exactly why I want her as an aspect
Also, missing Olympians in the boon range:
Hera, Demeter (hi, grandmother), Apollo, Hephaestus, Hestia
Hera so we can have revenge builds get even crazier :^)
fast idol
I'm betting on Apollo
agile wadi
i was assuming Apollo myself
deep spoke
What would Apollo give
lament flame
I think it would be Demeter
open void
Demeter would be cool
deep spoke
Yeah, root status?
Or something
And some kinda healing
Apollo could do Blind I guess
lament flame
Stun effects?
deep spoke
Hera status: Makes enemies take damage whenever they deal damage...
fast idol
Makes enemies take damage when they take damage
Stackable
Finally something against those pesky shield enemies
fast idol
Yeah but imagine stacking that with other curses
peak lantern
isn't there an outline of the new god coming out? I can't remember where I saw that
formal ivy
there's a silhouette in one of the recent trailers, I think for the steam release?
peak lantern
oh yeah that's what I'm looking for
deep spoke
Who does it look like
hearty jay
Is a trinket different from a keepsake?
ionic cliff
For the prophecy you mean?
fast idol
The trinket is the thing you get for heat, right?
ionic cliff
8/16/32 yeah
open void
does the Hades aspect on the spear charge faster?/ is it larger?
fast idol
Also why do you guys gals and enby pals think they are keeping the identity of the narrator a secret?
open void
i havent seen it in a bit but i just seem to remember it being the case
i want to give the narrator Nectar
hes so personable
fast idol
Same
open void
plus he told us about our mom
formal ivy
do they keep it secret tho? I thought it was just from minimal interactions atm
deep spoke
Is the Narrator still Logan Cunningham?
fast idol
Zag calls him "old man" though
Maybe he knows who it is
graceful wharf
both no, the Hades spear special is exactly the same as normal spear
open void
i wonder if theres something past the hades fight or if that door just leads to a cutscene or something
fast idol
Oh very likely
open void
and thanks marcoos
fast idol
I'm also assuming the room before the hall with cerb in the temple will have a bigger purpose later on
Other roguelikes sometimes have dynamic endings depending on choices you made along the way
open void
really? it seems just like the intro floor like in hot hot lava land and green fight arena to me
graceful wharf
i'm disappointed with it a bit tbh even though it's my favorite spear aspect, at least makes the color different
fast idol
I did
It's underwhelming without the hammer upgrade
open void
do they keep the damage debuff till they die?
graceful wharf
nope there is a timer
graceful wharf
but still long enough
open void
oh thats fine
fast idol
Uuh
It sticks for a while
But not perm for bosses
graceful wharf
and 150% damage increase is good enough
deep spoke
@open void Early access build. There will be stuff after Hades.
fast idol
I feel like spear could be fun with a neat Aphrodite, Dio and Ares combo but I also feel like spear is currently the clunkiest
deep spoke
If you get past him the narrator kinda just goes "Uh... let's just assume Hades beat the tar out of Zag for now, okay"
formal ivy
Spear at least has more range than Sword
deep spoke
Spear... if the spin were faster and didn't need the hammer for it, it would be great to build around hades aspect
fast idol
True, but speen doesn't feel satisfying
open void
yeah i figured cause the death stuff was for story, i was just wondering more gameplay wise cause hades does feel pretty final (though comparing to like other rougelikes the final boss can change like isaac gungeon etc)
deep spoke
They mentioned a "true endgame"
fast idol
I'm assuming Hades is like mom from Isaac
deep spoke
So there's probably gonna be a stage after.
open void
i do wonder what the in world reason for going back down to hades is after a complete true run will be
fast idol
Just a gateway to (likely) branching endgame
open void
maybe just zag lives a full life and dies?
fast idol
Maybe he just walks back down
"sup I'm back
" why"
"... Yes"
And everyone just accepts it
formal ivy
"Dusa I got you this pet snake!"
fast idol
Hades is on the brink of losing the last strands of his sanity but he humors his son
Also I'm really looking forward to that pact of punishment hades fight
open void
whats that?
fast idol
On that note
Did you get that dialogue where Zag questions what the pact is for and Hades is like "it's for evaluating who to replace"
And Zag goes
"then who is going to replace you?"
It feels
Foreboding
formal ivy
maybe Zagreus takes on the Persephone myth and becomes locked in the underworld every couple months, except instead of months it's however long it takes him to get out again?
fast idol
We do somehow need to get spring back
I'm honestly assuming there is a large war going on over resources since appearantly it has been winter for a while now
open void
oh that would be a good way to spin the loops Kaerf
formal ivy
I think it's flat-out stated that there's a pretty major war happening atm? from than and ares dialogues, I think even hypnos
the winter would be a good reason to, I never thought of that
fast idol
Yeah there is, but they never mention the reason why
Maybe Gods just don't care why mortals fight as long as it's entertaining
Also I wonder if Charon still has some more to him
From what people talk about him he's
...
Ominous
lament flame
Don't now about you but I am waiting for more plot on Furies and especially Tisiphone. I think this "I now only know two words" situation is much deeper than it seems
fast idol
The other sisters don't even comment on it
I wonder if she's been like this for a while now
lament flame
I think something terrible happened to her, and as Meg stated in dialogue with Zag it must be related to her job. Maybe this is why sisters hate each other.
I actually wanted to draw this but I am so scared to draw any fanart because...just because XD
formal ivy
@lament flame we have a whole #fan-works channel for you to share and get support :)
lament flame
I should check it out
uncut ibex
graceful wharf
that's most likely just a placeholder, his story is not yet finished
fast idol
okay I rewatched the Steam early access trailer
It is probably not Apollo lmao
putting my cards on Demeter as well
timber obsidian
fast idol
I don't think Hephaestus would carry that thing where you put fruit in
formal ivy
present from demeter
icy sinew
guys how do i get sisyphus companion im done giving nectar to bouldy
dusty notch
Hey guys, can anybody make mod, that replaces Thanatos sprite with this image after you talk to him in Zagreus bedroom https://imgur.com/a/mU0FwAm
lament flame
WAIT YOU CAN TALK TO HIM IN ZAG'S BEDROOM?
runic terrace
OH LOVE THIS
wintry belfry
yass you can
runic terrace
when authors do bury your gays trope this is who comes to pick them up
bleak osprey
lament flame
How to activate this scene pls I need to know this
bleak osprey
it's once you've maxed out his hearts with ambrosia, after unlocking the rest of the bar
lament flame
I maxed out this ambrosia thing
runic terrace
ok so buckle in for a loooong wait on the rng
lament flame
So now sit and wait... I have all patience in the world
Good timing tho I am drawing them right now haha
runic terrace
ooooohhh!!!
opaque hull
Getting there, I think the UI isn't quite designed for this though. How do you control sizing?
austere fox
every aspect is put in a loop therefore goes through the same process
I don't know why the 5th aspect is different
it boggles my mind
opaque hull
As I said, it probably doesn't know how to display it
Idk how that specific UI element works
Maybe it has some container for a set size
And the 5th one ends up outside the container and isn't constrained to the list
austere fox
for itemIndex, itemData in pairs( WeaponUpgradeData[weaponName] ) do
Therfore it fills the whole element
austere fox
every aspect goes through that
my guess is that there's smth going on with itemIndex
opaque hull
I'm talking about the actual UI element's layout code
austere fox
y thats what I'm modifying
opaque hull
The underlying code that creates bounds for the elements
austere fox
that is, what I'm modifying
opaque hull
Can you share that whole part? Maybe PMs so we don't spam the channel?
austere fox
its like 600 hundred lines
opaque hull
Yee
I'm used to snippetes that large
Are these lua scripts on github or smth too? ๐
Would be nice to look at them on my laptop
austere fox
the loop in question is lines 95 to 281 in WeaponUpgradeScripts.lua
opaque hull
is at work and probably shouldn't be doing this
austere fox
@hollow garden adding the aspect is the easiest part
hollow garden
It would be great for Hades to get workshop support come it's official release. Not a priority, but would be super cool.
hollow garden
Yeah I would figure. I've delved into the code a bit.
opaque hull
I'm not a modder per se but I like code
bleak osprey
guys, you do realise the game is still in early access, is constantly changing, and you'd be better off giving feedback than just changing the game to suit you
austere fox
@bleak osprey it's just for fun
opaque hull
Maybe we get job a job offer later or smth /s
pearl plank
what language is that written in?
austere fox
plus when it's in final release state this knowledge would still be useful
it's all in lua
hollow garden
I'm not a modder. I have data mined for wiki info though.
pearl plank
does sound fun.....
hollow garden
I also delve into code because I'm a comp sci nerd. Stuff interests me.
opaque hull
Lua is python that you can actually read
hollow garden
(it deleted my last message right just making sure)
Python coder here. Can confirm python is readable regardless but fair point
opaque hull
Non python dude here, CI stuff in python scares me
Regular stuff, no, so it's probably just CI scripts in python
Maybe #off-topic-discussion tho
austere fox
actually even tho the button is behind another aspect
you can still click it
so technically my mod is working
but it looks like garbage
opaque hull
Yee, something wrong with calculating the bounds for it
austere fox
yeah but that's the thing if I follow the code it should put the box under the previous one
but it just sticks it in the axis origin
(center)
opaque hull
Make it a baseball aspect, give deflect to the first attack but make it deal less damage
The problem might not be in the lua code
austere fox
before I try making weird traits I wanna make it look right
opaque hull
But in the thing that reads the lua code
hollow garden
guys, you do realise the game is still in early access, is constantly changing, and you'd be better off giving feedback than just changing the game to suit you
Yeah mods don't really need development lol. I'm just saying I would be intrigued to see community content for Hades down the line. Right now, the game is in a constant state of improving flux, many "mods" could end up just being base changes.
Though feedback of something like "more aspects" isn't as helpful tbf (and in all honesty, more are coming anyways)
hollow garden
Feedback is most helpful when you talk about a specific problem you have in the game and try to pinpoint it's origin. (This is why imo the best feedback is just "this feels kind of off or I don't like this because X". Devs are great at finding creative solutions that are fun. Players are real good at finding problems.")
I say this with full acknowledgement that I make a lot of "suggestions" in the feedback channel lol. I'm a hypocrite, sue me.
paper pawn
when do i get to romance the hydra
pearl plank
same kasumi lol
hollow garden
When can I gift the hydra
paper pawn
exactly
pearl plank
when can i be bffs with asterius
hollow garden
Better question no
When can I gift Theseus and he smashes the Nectar bottle on his head like a college frat boy.
pearl plank
lol
austere fox
@hollow garden yeah but also I know that there's like 0.00001% chance for my suggestion to be added so the only way to play the way I want is to make it happen myself
hollow garden
You know he'd do it and make some insane quote about honor.
pearl plank
when can i toss nectar to my fan in the audience
lapis smelt
Iโd rather make friends with Asterius tbh. If nothing more than to be able to make the brat Theseus jealous
hollow garden
Give nectar to the Audience so they throw tomatoes at Theseus which do damage.
And that's cool. Do what you want to do, so long as you're not breaking anything like distribution or creative rights ofc. @austere fox
austere fox
in the readme file they have a clause that allows mod distribution
hollow garden
can i also say its funny that people are referring to me as kasumi now lol
hollow garden
Pear (specifically PearUhDox if you wanna be fancy) is what I go by in most discords.
A couple people also know my real name or know where to find it but I personally prefer if its not used. I won't yell at you or be mean for it though :p
pearl plank
word! yeah actually now that you mention it i've definitely seen you around here as PearUhDox lol
opaque hull
What was it?
austere fox
I hardcoded the itemindex to 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5
all aspects go on top of one another from 1 to 4
but if it's 5 then it messes up
so the game has a problem with an index of 5 or greater
acoustic condor
God I wish we could be friends with Asterius
opaque hull
Ye, it gets confused when trying to fit a fifth in
pearl plank
@acoustic condor me too
austere fox
I don't know which part of the code that is
pearl plank
he's too cool
acoustic condor
They need to fill up those empty keepsake slots somehow
austere fox
yeah adding a new keepsake is probably a lot easier
@opaque hull yeah thats the problem
where is it then
it's possible to add an if itemIndex > 4 and handle it that way but that's really dirty
opaque hull
The assets are somewhere, but the layout code is probably compiled. Idk if you can change it
Unless they give us an SDK or something
austere fox
could easily find it with a debugger
if we had one
maybe in full release they'll add an sdk?
opaque hull
We won't untill after release that's for sure
austere fox
really uncertain tho
opaque hull
They prolly will if there's demand
austere fox
dunno
anyway
even if it looks funky its still possible to click it
so for now we can add 2 aspects to each weapon
that's already nice
opaque hull
What we can change is parameters but we can't really change or add new logic
austere fox
why not?
opaque hull
Still good tho
austere fox
you can change how everything works if you're good enough at lua
austere fox
I'm not sure what you mean by logic
opaque hull
Or rather, can't add any nee functionality to the game. The part that actually reads the files and turns them into gameplay, you can't change that
I.e you can't add a new weapon
austere fox
yeah there's some stuff you can't change but most stuff you can
opaque hull
Since you need to write the actual attacks/animation and so on. We could probably add new derivatives using existing mechanics
acoustic condor
There are 8 whole empty keepsake slots, 1 for Demeter, 1 for Hades h o p e f u l l y, and maybe 1 for Asterius if we're lucky
opaque hull
That's the word I'm looking for, mechanics
acoustic condor
And that would leave 5 big holes
austere fox
there's assists too
formal ivy
Contractor, Trader, Chef?
acoustic condor
I hope they rearrange the cabinet to fill it properly or I will go crazy
acoustic condor
Was the booze cabinet in Bastion properly filled? I don't remember
fast idol
I hope it will benefit the keepsakes if you max out affinity
shell garden
Who're Demeter and asterius again
acoustic condor
It doesn't
Demeter is the next and maybe last ever god, and Zag's grandmother
Coming on the 21st
shell garden
O wait asteroid is the bull
fast idol
Demeter is very likely the next god
acoustic condor
Asterius is the minotaur
acoustic condor
Grain, harvest
shell garden
Bread boons ๐
acoustic condor
Cycle of life and death
formal ivy
lifedrain maybe
acoustic condor
Not a chance ever
It used to be in the game and it was taken out within... 2 weeks?
formal ivy
aw, why :(
shell garden
Because health is meant to go kapoot
acoustic condor
Because it couldnt be more op
formal ivy
who had it?
formal ivy
oh, so sword used to be good?
acoustic condor
Sword is alright last I checked
But no we'll never see active healing/lifesteal in Hades again
shell garden
Every time you take 10 damage you heal 1
acoustic condor
Made the game a bit of a joke really
You could do something like that I suppose, but idk if that makes sense for any current god
shell garden
Could have seen it on chaos if they didn't have their thing tbh
acoustic condor
*their
shell garden
My b
indigo crystal
lifesteal would be way too strong with how health works in this game
acoustic condor
The problem is the game relies on limited healing, and even then I feel like it's pretty abundant as is
indigo crystal
the only threat in every fight is attrition really
acoustic condor
Apart from the fact he's so busy being the god of everything I suppose thats why well never see Apollo in this game
mental robin
A lifesteal boom that also increases your dmg taken? (probably still either OP or really bad)
maybe as a base weapon mod
formal ivy
Lifesteal duo effect dependent on Revenge effects
pearl plank
lifesteal on revenge might work but... that's basically just damage resist, plus then if you get the boon that causes revenge effects to proc periodically then we're back to square one with the problem
proper cairn
why not make it absorption then
pearl plank
the only way i can see healing boons working is if they either boost the % you get from health pickups, or it only happens once per chamber, or something like that
otherwise it's abusable
proper cairn
well anything in any way will be abused if it can be
so what can be abused the least is probably a better question
you could always just make certain revenge procs unable to be automatic as in they dont stack with the auto revenge
exceptions can be made
pearl plank
sure but then you'd have to note that in the boon description, and having those be as brief and straight-forward as possible is important IMO
i'd be all for a health-centered boon or boon set, it just couldn't be lifesteal imo
mental robin
lifesteal could be seen as a heal per chamber in a way (masked as an active action which makes it fun)
And I can't really see it being balanced
fickle yoke
what are u about? Demeter boons?
glad lion
What about a heal on cast, where you stick it in yourself?
Could even be something like the old lifesteal mechanic
You lose the cast for the rest of the room then too?
lapis smelt
Iโm pretty sure the next god weโre going to get is Apollo. But Demeter would be interesting.
fickle yoke
@lapis smelt 99% for demeter
lapis smelt
Huh. Did I miss hints that got dropped or something.
fickle yoke
cornucopia
glad lion
Yeah they have a cornucopia so I'm thinking demeter too
lapis smelt
Welp. Thatโs definitely Demeter
lapis smelt
I can definitely see that. I kind of wish that Apollo was an actual god if for no other reason than to have Artemis bickering with her brother
Their Duo boon conversation would be hilarious
fickle yoke
as i remeber it would be last Olympian?
formal ivy
was it confirmed to be the last Olympian?
glad lion
I mean they said that before demeter too didnt they? So there is a little hope for Apollo
bleak osprey
ooh, apollo bow aspect would be neat, mostly because i want artemis to respond to it.....
bleak osprey
it's been in the roadmap a while that the plan was for 8 olympians
acoustic condor
We can be confident Demeter is the last for now
bleak osprey
or, well, that was the end-of-2019 number they wanted to hit
acoustic condor
But who knows what the future holds
I'm hoping for Hecate because she was involved with Demeter finding Persephone and being the god of ghosts could give us summoner boons
And because I kind of made up a whole boon set for her on the train to Dublin
lament flame
Last time I checked Roadmap there was a little hint. New Olympian would be important both to gameplay and story. I think Demeter is appropriate candidate to both of this aspects
acoustic condor
We've seen the god and its literally Demeter idk why people are dedicated to uncertainty
untold sable
wasn't there a silhouette? it's for sure demeter
untold sable
and the cornucopia iirc
fickle yoke
y
untold sable
i was actually thinking the satyrs in styx are demeter's doing hahah
acoustic condor
Mhm, but that's typically an item for Tyche afaik so it's interesting they gave it to her
fickle yoke
who is Tyche
bleak osprey
tyke-ee, as far as i know?
acoustic condor
Ye
pearl plank
summon minion abilities seem like they would def have potential
acoustic condor
I was thinking when enemies die they spawn ghosts around you that dive on enemies in range, disappearing when they deal damage
agile wadi
is there a picture for the new god silhouette?
bleak osprey
'tie' as in the thing you wear around your neck
'key' as in the thing you use to unlock a door
acoustic condor
Mhm its in the steam trailer
fickle yoke
like... Taikee?
acoustic condor
Depending on how you say tai, yeah
fickle yoke
@agile wadi https://youtu.be/KzsUsry-O3E?t=162
just wanted to compare with russian pronounce
u know some gods names sound not rly close
Hades especially
acoustic condor
Yeah Greek can be a little unintuitive
proper cairn
i would have to agree
lament flame
Yeah, some names in russian even has two ways of pronunciation like Hercules name for example
proper cairn
even though we swedes basicly just use the greek words for...most ancient greek things
is it hercules and heracles?
fickle yoke
@proper cairn Both
fickle yoke
but usually Hercules is for food
acoustic condor
Food?
lament flame
Also Nyx name in russian also confusing. In game it has different spelling from I am accustomed to
lament flame
Second verson is the best tho
proper cairn
man sweden is much simpler than russian
fickle yoke
maybe
proper cairn
with names i mean
fickle yoke
@lament flame god of luck in russian have like 4-5 version
lament flame
Yeah?
fickle yoke
are u russian?
lament flame
Yup
fickle yoke
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lament flame
ะะพัะปะตะดะฝะธะน ะฟัะธััะฝะตะต ะทะฒััะธั
fickle yoke
ะฟัะพััะพ ะฑะพะปะตะต ัะพะทะฒััะฝะพ
acoustic condor
Wow Cyrillic is wild
fickle yoke
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ะฝั ะธ ะฒะตัะพััะฝะพ ะฟัะพััะพ ะฑะพะปััะต ะฝะฐ ะธะผั ะฟะพั ะพะถะต
proper cairn
cyrillic IS wild
formal ivy
I tried to learn it but Duolingo is horrible for learning a new alphabet
fickle yoke
u want to know funny thing about russian
we have letter ะ
which sound not like english B
but like V
BUT
proper cairn
but
fickle yoke
there are some words
bleak osprey
#off-topic-discussion or bring it back around to hades, guys!
fickle yoke
ok nvm
arctic tree
Forgive me if ppl talked about it, I'm new to this server. But doesn't anyone wonder why its always winter when Zagreus eventually does reach the surface before fighting Hades? If Persephone was free from the underworld wouldn't it be spring?
acoustic condor
Thats the mystery
haughty carbon
My only guess that the fight is happening somewhere high on the mountain (for now) due to pure fact that we won't know much about the story until they fully finish the game.
acoustic condor
Demeter should be very enlightening
arctic tree
is Demeter the new Olympian in the upcoming update?
acoustic condor
Mhm
proper cairn
most likely yes
arctic tree
noice. I wonder what boons they come up with
fickle yoke
root may be
proper cairn
maybe
fickle yoke
i thought about some vampiric mechanics but it would be too op
proper cairn
most definetly
acoustic condor
Yeah Ive been theorizing about a seed mechanic that stacks until the enemy is rooted briefly
And maybe a fertilizer fog cast like Dio that autostacks seeds
acoustic condor
Well at range it allows you to close distance for engage and at melee its an effective stun or disengage
fickle yoke
root is not stun... usually
acoustic condor
Thats why I said effective, which can mean good or instead something that is basically like something else
Roots and stuns are both strong immobilizations, though roots are usually much longer
fickle yoke
also root cannot work on armored
fickle yoke
whatever we cant imagine her boons anyway
acoustic condor
You cant stun or knock them back without Poseidon boons
proper cairn
they are just more resistant
acoustic condor
They're immune to weapon staggers and knockbacks, and Dio fog
lapis smelt
I would assume something like lifesteal or gain one HP per enemy killed or increase the amount of HP regained inbetween chambers would just be way too broken.
proper cairn
i mean
fickle yoke
Apollo???
acoustic condor
Apollo is healing and disease among 10+ other things
fickle yoke
i thought it more about his son
acoustic condor
Music, prophecy, poetry, he drives the sun chariot
fickle yoke
Chariots i hate this things
proper cairn
he also gave a human a healing staff after the human saved some people with wonderfull medecine
acoustic condor
He's a hunter like his sister
proper cairn
so like he inspired the caduceus staff symbolism
fickle yoke
Medicine is just one of his aspects
proper cairn
oh well
acoustic condor
He uses the rod of Asclepius but it got mistaken for Hermes' caduceus
proper cairn
mm
acoustic condor
So you often see the caduceus improperly used in medicine
bleak osprey
caduceus: winged staff with two entwined snakes
rod of asclepius: plain staff with one snake wrapped around
proper cairn
i knew i understood it somewhat
proper cairn
yeeee
pearl plank
i'm pretty sure i started playing on the update where they added hermes so i haven't actually been around to see a new god get added
formal ivy
was Hermes the last one added?
bleak osprey
yup, speedy boy was the latest
proper cairn
i got it after the welcome to hell update
formal ivy
from what I can tell, Chaos, Dionysus, and Hermes were all additions
bleak osprey
yeah
proper cairn
i look forward to the new update
pearl plank
same, it's like 2 weeks away ๐
proper cairn
only 16 days
acoustic condor
Im absolutely buzzing
fickle yoke
@proper cairn yet 16 days(
bleak osprey
the timing is off for birthday update this time around 
pearl plank
bday comin up?
bleak osprey
i turn 25 on the 16th!
proper cairn
my bday is also coming up
pearl plank
oohh happy almost bday!
bleak osprey
the chaos update arrived on january 15, so it was kinda like getting a birthday present from supergiant ^^
proper cairn
oof
pearl plank
they did their steam release on my bday
so this last update was about week before my bday
proper cairn
i turn 21 on the 14th
fickle yoke
i remeber when i was 20
acoustic condor
Im 19 on the 30th
pearl plank
@fickle yoke that's not how it worked for me lol
pearl plank
30 was the best for me so far, we'll see how 31 goes
pearl plank
it's lookin' up
proper cairn
dood when i turn 30 im going to be my own hero
pearl plank
started playing hades, started figuring out who i really am (unrelated to hades), other cool stuff.. lol
fickle yoke
lets not talk about that
pearl plank
hell yeah i wish younger me could see me now
proper cairn
just go with the stream maaan
fickle yoke
but now i think Spear lvl 4 will be pain
pearl plank
it took me 3 tries to get spear lvl 4 for some reason, even though i thought of spear as one of my best weapons
err, spear on heat 4
i assume that's what you meant
primal atlas
random rewards are random
proper cairn
tends to be the case