it's clearly Hades 
#h1-story-discussion
graceful wharf
atomic forge
doubt it but still
paper pawn
oh he doesn't, at least not as far as i know, maybe i need to ignore him for more runs
atomic forge
too bad
graceful wharf
i always find it hilarious whenever Skelly says: "The pain is indescribable" with his tone
slender matrix
There is one that says something along the lines of "the prince is getting rather good at this"
paper pawn
ares implores you to find the words to describe it
slender matrix
not sure what triggers it
paper pawn
oh the endings are just random i think, i just want to see all of them lol
i love how they characterize ares, most depictions are just angry war dude, but calm psychopath is also a really good way of depicting the god of war
he and aphrodite are absolutely a perfect match
graceful wharf
the garden tool ending is probably my favorite
graceful wharf
Ares is really obedient to Zeus i'm a bit surprised tbh
yeah the banana peel is funny too, haven't seen the latter one i think
paper pawn
isn't it because zeus is the biggest crazy of them all?
i'd probably be obedient to a guy with zero self control too especially if he's a thunder god
graceful wharf
"Just imagine me with a luxurious white man and zero self control", i would be more afraid of Hades after that roast
warped rock
id be obedient to a guy that's king
graceful wharf
except for Artemis
slender matrix
also speaking of zeus
paper pawn
if we're talking about people who are good at sowing death and misery like ares is so into, zeus definitely takes the cake
slender matrix
I made the mistake of not picking zeus in a dual boon room
warped rock
i always pick artemis
slender matrix
it reminded me why I hadn't done it in a long time
warped rock
artemis is a qt
graceful wharf
i actually think Poseidon is way more dangerous than Zeus
graceful wharf
Ares in a small room is the worst
graceful wharf
at least i understand why he is the god of war
paper pawn
but since you're already suffering... clicks up your heat
graceful wharf
maybe someday i'll get to it, but now best choice is just gradually turn up the heat instead of jumping from 16 to 32
graceful wharf
inspiring quote of the day, then i should do it thoroughly and switch between 0 heat and 32 heat
paper pawn
i left mine at 32 until i succeeded because i didn't want to miss a lucky layout with boons
as you know from my cursed saga, this wasn't a brilliant idea
graceful wharf
what weapon did you win it with
paper pawn
in fact i think I got unluckier the more i did it...
spear, though I'm told the cheese is just to use chaos shield
slender matrix
Less of a cheese more of a "my god this makes the run so much easier"
graceful wharf
oh i'm using spear too, chaos shield is quite boring for me now
paper pawn
yeah it didn't suit my playstyle, which is to say wailing on things with reckless abandon
graceful wharf
same, and i pretty much have to do the game hitless because i can't play with stuffs like tight deadline, budget cut or no choice so i have every other pacts on max
paper pawn
hmm, i had to compromise with 1 budget cut and 1 no choice so i could get some healing at 50%
and the sisyphus special trinket is super helpful
slender matrix
I mean if you get 1 budget cut
might as well get 2-3 in
the first one is the hardest hitter
graceful wharf
yeah Bouldy is a life saver
paper pawn
yeah i think if you cut out the fat, a lot of the mirror buffs are nice but you can probably live without most, just make sure you keep 3 stacks of defiance and maybe some of the extra starting health
so if you need to tweak the sheet maybe start there
i too absolutely cannot work with tight deadline so i didn't touch that ever
slender matrix
3 stacks of dd is pretty costly
I might bump to 2 dd for my 32 heat run though
The furies end up getting my first dd more times than im willing to admit
paper pawn
there's too much dumb damage at 32 heat, so i never risked it without 3 dd, but if you can save the points that'd be nice
slender matrix
you could invest the third dd point into damage so the fights take less time
the first ranks of most skills are pretty cheap though
paper pawn
yeah, i think the other option is to push tight deadlines to 7 mins, but lower the enemy spawn and health
slender matrix
you kinda have to use the chaos shield to handle tight deadlines with all the other modifiers
paper pawn
and max out the overtime so they move/spawn faster
oh yeah that's with shield
if you just wanted to complete it for the statue
you can try that?
slender matrix
I really don't want to increase my overtime any further
otherwise I lose way too much hp to the hydras and the furies
for some reason the minataur fight always feels the same
paper pawn
yeah regardless of how you set it up, you'll still need really lucky boons
graceful wharf
hydra fight is the worst, feel like an eternity just waiting for it to lose the invincibility after i kill all its heads
paper pawn
oh yeah, if it's too frustrating you can always hold off until the next update, i'm sure there will be some QOL tweaks for a lot of this
idle atlas
when its athena and artemis i pick artemis cause I just dont want to disappoint her
slender matrix
"Uh I can't believe you choose them over me!"
"You are just like them!"
please artemis
spare me the lecture im picking you later
artemis acts like your buddy
everyone else just gets revenge on you
atomic forge
dio doesn't care
paper pawn
dio doesn't even remember
graceful wharf
Artemis is the meanest with those dialogues tho: "Why do i even bother with some half-god" 
iron urchin
just cleared the game for the first time and also cleared the next run after it xD
iron urchin
the run after was with 1 heat level aswell
paper pawn
ohhhh congrats
atomic forge
boy am i glad dio isn't some fat drunkard here
iron urchin
first run was with 2000 gems seconf 2400 gems
paper pawn
now become addicted to the intrigue and suffer with the rest of us
atomic forge
just... don't try to 100% the game
iron urchin
i did it in 29 mins on first try too
balmy crag
๐คทโโ๏ธ
paper pawn
he zoom
paper pawn
he only knows that he must zoom
balmy crag
He is speed ๐๏ธ
iron urchin
how many gems were in use?
balmy crag
4 heat, it's in top right
it's also my fastest run at 16 minutes
previous record was 22
i have no idea how this happened
idle atlas
Dio, patron saint of frathouses
iron urchin
i wondered how many gems u where using not the heat level xD
balmy crag
you mean dankness?
iron urchin
yhea
iron urchin
but boon rarity is strong stuff
idle atlas
how much darkness can be spent on rerolls?
iron urchin
lol
balmy crag
To unlock all non-Boon, non-Fated Authority upgrades requires 2250 Darkness; including the Boon upgrades takes this total to 7250 Darkness. Including Fated Authority, the current total required to max out the Mirror is 172,250 Darkness.
iron urchin
time to grind some more dankness bois
idle atlas
dannnng
balmy crag
I want more people to see my meme fight :(
Life is so cruel
iron urchin
post it on yt
balmy crag
I'm honestly starting to think that spear is the fastest weapon
My other runs are not even close
Like 5+ minutes behind
idle atlas
whats your time on it?
balmy crag
16 minutes in the last meme run
idle atlas
nice
idle atlas
lol
idle atlas
my fastest is rail at 21
indigo sable
Is monster speed good for speedrunning?
idle atlas
yeah that one seems brutal
paper pawn
people like hades aspect a lot, but i like zagreus aspect more since i always build crit spear when i can
and i like throwing it
iron urchin
i see
balmy crag
I use achilles
for the mobility and memes
also gives you some damange as well
Ok so I just tried to use highlighter for the first time, and here is the full fight
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/526979052
Obviously would be so much faster if not for the invuln stages
Um. Does it jump from the middle to the very end for anyone else?
atomic forge
oh wow meg really knows how to use that whip huh
balmy crag
No
monkaS
atomic forge
it does jump from the middle of the second phase to the very end for me too
balmy crag
The weirdest part is that it works fine in discord
atomic forge
not for me
iron urchin
just got a 19.5 min run
i could have done it way faster but i just like to clear all the caves at the end
iron urchin
this is my 3rd clear
lime orchid
iron urchin
on heat 1
lime orchid
ive beaten the game like 6-7 times total
lime orchid
I only bought the game a few days ago dont bully me pls ;-;
iron urchin
same
iron urchin
earlyer today i did my frist clear ever with shield
then next run atfer i cleard with bow
lime orchid
Shield runs ez af
iron urchin
then i failed 1 with sword
then i clkear with sword
4 runs today 3 wclears
i have 130% move speed from boons plus 20% i think from the sword so 150% movespeed
lime orchid
is it that useful tho?
iron urchin
nvm it is 30% from sword
so 160%
you move very fast
thats about it
that is what i was going for when i started the run but accidently killed hades at the same time smh
lime orchid
So does anyone know whats Tisiphone's deal with the whole murder and murderer thing?
also... "accidently" killed hades wow xD
balmy crag
๐
runic terrace
its her customer disservice voice
balmy crag
She doesn't suck at it
lime orchid
so this is what happens when tou work in retail enough
balmy crag
She just let's you through because that way more stuff will get murdered
Simple math man
Cmon bruh
lime orchid
Quick maffs
proper cairn
S P E E D maffs
wise folio
Hey people got a question. I'm trying to get sisyphus' legendary keepsake and i cant gift him nectar anymore but i can gift it to bouldy. So should keep giving it to bouldy or just wait for the contract to appear?
wise folio
i see the hearth with a lock
slender matrix
ok if you check the renovations "shop"
you might see his contract or w/e it is
if not you might have to talk to other npcs before
like mag and hades
they give you the details on how to free him from his punishment
afterwards you should see a 10 diamond cost contract there
basically just follow the storyline and talk to everyone
mainly hades and mag though
wise folio
i havent been able to give him abrosia yet tho
slender matrix
yeah you need to "free" him first
buying that 10 diamond thing
so better start saving up
if you don't have enough
wise folio
thanks for the response :))))
slender matrix
any time
atomic forge
give him nectar until he asks you to kill him with a maxed zagreus sword aspect
lime orchid
done
atomic forge
then the bottles
lime orchid
oh ok just need an ambrosia bottle now?
atomic forge
its pretty good
atomic forge
dont feel like its wasted
it isn't that big a deal, don't worry about it
its sick if you can dodge properly
lime orchid
well i dont like the sword much soo yeah xD
atomic forge
its hilarious because you zoom across the rooms
if you get flurry strike or the dash hits twice from daedalus you got a god run coming up
lime orchid
hmm ill try it
atomic forge
at least on pc
gamepad might be bad
you can swing much faster with flurry strikes
my mashing cast
do you outrun asterius with max zag and 40%ms from hermes?
you cancel the animation of the second strike that way
and have a hilariously fast atk speed
sword best wep in the game
requires flurry tho
and you gotta be able to use dashes to avoid dmg
dunno
i did it with sword and the heirloom for speed
id assume you can
well if you dash here and there he wont catch i know that much
but why not make him crash into a wall
you probably get less than 40% by then with the keepsake so i'd assume you can
So Achilles thinks zagreus is the god of blood?
Maybe that's why zag bleeds like a human
And had his bloodstones
lime orchid
Ok got skelly's companion
And i have the locked heart thing on meg now
so i guess the next thing is getting her companion?
hollow garden
yep
for her I believe you'll want to run ||Extreme Measures a lot and then I think eventually that will trigger a dialogue scene||
lament shadow
@atomic forge https://gyazo.com/32e991adea911579702cffdd745a13bc
got best of both worlds
atomic forge
What boons? I don't have the symbols memorized
lament shadow
was doing at least 400 dmg from the spear throw alone lol
full anchor
that hp tho with 0/4 ๐ฐ
atomic forge
Nice!
Glad you found success with my advice
Imagine if that 40% speed was 40% special speed
lament shadow
It is both special speed and attack speed
atomic forge
Oh nice
lament shadow
as I said best of both worlds lol
atomic forge
Did you get any hammers?
full anchor
flurry is beast
atomic forge
๐
full anchor
on most weapons
atomic forge
Support fire?
lament shadow
yup
full anchor
if you get crit chance on flurry... ๐
atomic forge
Right? Just stand still while a million arrows shotgun out of your bum
atomic forge
Uhh I found success with a similar setup. There's a hammer that makes your Attack hit twice but doesn't knockback, so if you can get that with Athena's Attack boon that makes it deal a ton more damage and Deflect, you're golden
Because you can Deflect melee attacks too (cough Asterius cough)
So you get those things, maybe Attack speed, etc.
Although the Athena Attack boon might be difficult to guarantee, so any old attack boon could work, you'll just take more damage. ANd of course, Support fire
lament shadow
@atomic forge aight thanks!
atomic forge
np
My Zag got run over by a chariot because he didn't look both ways
I can't wait for the "Zag never used saftey goggles, now he doesn't need them" PSA
atomic forge
it does yes
indigo sable
Is it me or is the Than romance a bit weird
They thought they were brothers until recently
atomic forge
I think for weapons that don't have an obvious dash attack it's just the first attack after a dash
rail shoots one bullet faster and the first bow shot out of a dash charges faster
proper cairn
they are brothers sort of
atomic forge
they're step brothers
and if you've spent any amount of time on adult sites in the past few years you know how that goes
indigo sable
They're not. Than is fatherless, only Nyx is his mom
atomic forge
Is that why I felt like the bow charges faster sometimes? Huh
full anchor
yeah it's a weaker shot, though
full anchor
at the risk of missing out on flurry shot, I would never pick that
cunning needle
i just never do anything that isnt a dash attack with bow
full anchor
must love explosive shot then
runic terrace
sielas u should know it was changed recently! than and zag were simply best friends growing up, now ๐
atomic forge
isn't than nyx's son though?
runic terrace
tbh i feel like in this game (non-blood) relations are who SAYS they are hfjhfhj
nyx says "this is a kid i think youll be friends with." "isnt he your so-" "mind ur own business hes a friendlu neighborhood boy" jkgjkgkgjk
atomic forge
I mean, this is Greek mythology we're talking here
Aren't some of the gods the product of incest?
most, yes
still, playing as an incestuous character wouldn't be accepted by modern audiences i don't think
especially when you, the player, are going through the motions to bang a member of your family
and get a reward for doing it
implying modern audiences know enough Greek mythology to know the lineages
than's lineage is mentioned a few times
I suppose
atomic forge
I know very little because I played age of Mythology as a kid
remote meadow
@indigo sable Greek mythology is filled with gods marrying their relatives. Persephone is technically Hades' niece. Hera is Zeus's sister. etc
I'm happy to give leeway to gods, it's not like there's a large dating pool for them
indigo sable
Zeus has discovered a pretty large dating pool
remote meadow
"dating"
indigo sable
Speaking of the actual mythology, I remembered something which might be a spoiler for the future ending
||Persephone spends half of each year in the underworld with Hades and half with the other gods. Persephone is a nature goddess, her being in the underworld causes autumn/winter. Her escape from the underworld means the beginning of Spring. ||
||Hades and Zagreus fight in deep snow||
||The full story might not be that she's escaped the underworld||
slender matrix
There is one ending where hades says if you do find her tell her cerberus is doing well
Unless he was joking he might actually believe persephone is out there somewhere
iron urchin
ayy now i cleared with all weapons in the same day as my first clear
proper cairn
i belive spring is coming in greece in the game wich is why snow is still there but still why she is gone
slender matrix
@wind lark
wind lark
All four display as:
slender matrix
Its meg than sis and skelly
full anchor
you need to pick a role to be able to send stuff
wind lark
Anyway, all four show a locked heart
slender matrix
When you max it out he will have a request
wind lark
Unlike the timepiece of the others
indigo sable
@slender matrix I think that dialogue was meant to show he wanted to say something else, but decided against it and just offhandedly mentioned Cerberus
slender matrix
For thanatos you need to beat him enough times afaik
wind lark
Just seems to keep asking me to hit him, or something
And he no longer respawns
Unless I switch weapons
full anchor
that's normal
wind lark
Used to always show up before
slender matrix
There is a quest entry for it
indigo sable
He should give you a bit of dialogue saying what you need to do to progress
wind lark
Where are those shown?
slender matrix
You need to use the fully upgraded zag aspect of the sword
atomic forge
yeah, you need to kill skelly with a maxed out zag aspect sword
full anchor
it's just equipping the zag sword, he tells you the rest of the quest straight up
atomic forge
and for meg you need to fight the furies with extreme measures on
slender matrix
Sisyphus one is just expensive
wind lark
I actually did that
slender matrix
Nothing too fancy
wind lark
But nothing happened afterwards
full anchor
sword one?
wind lark
Aside from her stating she didn't like her sisters that much
atomic forge
you might just need to keep talking to sisy for it to progress
full anchor
yeah it's RNG after that
wind lark
This system could do with more clarity
atomic forge
and you have to keep beating than at his own game
wind lark
Maybe add them to the list of minor prophesies or something?
atomic forge
or lose ig c.f my feedback post on the matter
wind lark
Don't show up for me
full anchor
if you equip the zag sword and skelly talks to you about it, it gives you skelly's quest as a prophecy
wind lark
The four of them should have been listed on the list of prophesies?
Because none of them are
slender matrix
Depends on how far you got in the quest
full anchor
how many runs have you done?
wind lark
Let me check in the pool thing
full anchor
I didn't finish Sisyphus till around 60ish
wind lark
77
lament shadow
@atomic forge https://gyazo.com/3c8396857cb0242ef7dca8927f94656f
It went pretty well
atomic forge
Ayyy lets go
lament shadow
got an attack speed up so more arrows and dps
atomic forge
Heck yeah
lament shadow
just be up Hades face and deflect all his skulls
wind lark
atomic forge
Exactly
lament shadow
but good lord my thumb hurts now
full anchor
I think he starts the conversation himself if it triggers the quest
atomic forge
The 10 blood is worth it
wind lark
full anchor
not sure if you need a certain amount of blood to start it but I had enough to max it too
wind lark
And he's been maxed for ages
slender matrix
Do you have the zagreus sword maxed out
wind lark
Not yet
slender matrix
Do you have any ambrosias on you
slender matrix
Ok then just max out the zag aspect and hit him to death
full anchor
feel like that just skips the conversation
slender matrix
There is always the possibility of it being bugged but might as well eliminate all the other possibilities
wind lark
Only quest I recall getting
slender matrix
Show us your list of minor prophecies
wind lark
Is meg asking to turn measures on
atomic forge
nah but she hints at it
devout pilot
Measures?
wind lark
I'm not entirely sure what that "Skelly's Prizes" thing is, though
The 2 diamonds?
full anchor
that's something else
clearing heats at higher levels. I don't think that's a requirement
wind lark
Strangely, meg did once state something about daring me to use extreme measures
So obviously, I did
Beat her, and her sisters
And nothing happened
full anchor
it's RNG
she talks about it
then like 6-10 runs later you talk some more
in my experience
wind lark
So beating her with that on, has a random chance to trigger it?
full anchor
I don't really know how it works.
I think once you do it you have the conversation with her about her working things out with her sisters.
Then It's a random chance when you unlock the heart after that.
Basically you just keep doing regular runs. and talking to her if she's there to see if it happens.
atomic forge
it was weird for me
we had a talk in zag's room where she told me i needed to fight her with her sisters to relieve some of the pressure from her shoulders
full anchor
also you said you have 77 runs but mostly have unfinished prophecies? Did you play the previous patch or something?
'cause by 77 I'd imagine a lot more than that would be unlocked
wind lark
Most are gods
atomic forge
and i go back to the lounge and the quest had progressed
full anchor
ahh, fair enough
atomic forge
and she gave me the summon right there
wind lark
Don't think I've completed a single god
But like 4 of them have only 1 upgrade left or so xD
full anchor
Maybe try and focus on the gods whilst talking to everyone and eventually all will work out ๐
wind lark
I'm thinking most of those are probably boons that modify another or so
Need to look them up one day
And see what they all require to get
full anchor
yeah that's on the wiki. Quite a few have requirements, etc. The lowest boon is a legendary
wind lark
What is the max level of the sword btw?
proper cairn
5
languid kraken
Are titan bloods limited?
wind lark
Yes and no
languid kraken
Or can you get them without beating milestones with weapons you don't like
wind lark
I think a limited amount is given, though that's more than you can buy things with
Or you can buy them in the store infinitely
By my calculations
Once the final weapon is in
languid kraken
Yea but store requires reagents that are limited... As far as I've seen
wind lark
You can get 276 of them
atomic forge
and you'll need 216
wind lark
And that's excluding prophesies etc
atomic forge
to max out everything
wind lark
Reagents?
languid kraken
Diamonds and super ambrosia
Etc
I just beat hades, but about halfway through the mirror
languid kraken
Gotcha
wind lark
Or well, technically even that is possible
But rare
(I think sometimes shadow is sold as special deal?)
languid kraken
Yeah I've seen that twice
languid kraken
Great game, but a ton of undersystems are lacking in game explanations
Oh... I haven't hit that hard enough yet then
wind lark
Since gems can be traded to keys, keys to nectar, nectar to diamonds, diamonds to ambrosia, and ambrosia to blood
languid kraken
Gotcha
wind lark
Not an efficient way, maybe, but the bounty rewards can be infinitely grinded for
languid kraken
atomic forge
@tranquil wigeon you have to kill him using a maxed out zag aspect sword
tranquil wigeon
Thank you @atomic forge
atomic forge
no problem
elfin orbit
i think i made a terrible mistake maxing out skelly's plushie
atomic forge
I never remember to use summons. I'm glad other players are getting mileage out of them.
elfin orbit
iirc he does single target damage and drops a bunch of goodies?
atomic forge
Yup.
languid kraken
How do you get summons?
atomic forge
Health, cash, and Darkness.
elfin orbit
relationship
keen ledge
wind lark
To be fair, Orpheus didn't exactly leave...
bleak osprey
i'm still so 
over that portrait
wind lark
...wow
atomic forge
Orpheus left, Eurydice didn't.
bleak osprey
wow what?
wind lark
Not in the end...
Nyx has quite the different portrait on wikipedia then the depiction ingame...
(nsfw)
tall pond
That second phase of Hades... I thought it will be my first victory on 19 heat
Was completely wrong 
elfin orbit
SUFFER ME NOW, BOY!
tall pond
and it was shield try... Cant imagine THIS with sword
light garden
I didnโt know Hades had a second form and Iโm frustrated that he killed me during it
full anchor
you'll get him next time
proper cairn
the same thing happened with me Vyvi
elfin orbit
knowledge is half the battle
proper cairn
yea
graceful wharf
@elfin orbit i always read that "Suffer me now" line with Celebrimbor voice in shadow of mordor
elfin orbit
that's exactly where i got it from
my favorite line of his
said it as a mixture of the two
graceful wharf
Same so cool when he said that
wintry bane
so a small conversation during the hades fight
hades askes why zag keeps being a brat and trying to leave
zag says he'll stop once he leaves and says that hades would't understand
hades then calls zag an idiot and that he does understand and asked if he zag didn't think that he tried
does this mean that hades tried to go after Persephone but failed ?
graceful wharf
yup Hades still loves Persephone
steady beacon
GDI MEG SHOW UP MORE OFTEN AFTER EXTREME MEASURES SO I CAN GIVE YOU AMBROSIA AND WOO YOU ๐ญ
To be fair, it took me like fifty tries before Than showed up at all
but still
hollow garden
"just let me love you please"
fickle yoke
I think it was relly hard to say "I want you back" for someone like Tomatos
drifting citrus
hjsdf tomatos
lapis bluff
THere will be additional levels after Hades boss right? To keep trying to find his mother
fickle yoke
i imagine Zag climb on olimp for answers
and gods take their boons back
one by one)
atomic forge
I feel itโs pretty obvious whatโs going to happen if zag gets to Olympius
halcyon fjord
yeah i hope there will be more levels too
i wonder what characters they are going to add
atomic forge
Who else do they have to add
halcyon fjord
i think i read somewhere that heracles is going to be added to alysium?
as a rotating boss
atomic forge
Thatโd be cool
halcyon fjord
true
fickle yoke
so he cant be
or shouldnt be
buuuut there is much heroes
Like one who killed Medusa - Perseus
Odyssey?
Jason?
fluid flame
Well, a lot of things are possible in regards to bosses. You have to consider that time moves differently in the Underworld versus everywhere else
twilit goblet
theres a lock on the heart of than and a clock on cerberus what do i do?
turbid hearth
clock means it's not in the game yet
lock means you have to do something to unlock it
turbid hearth
ADVICE NEEDED: if I ||accept Than's love, does that preclude me from accepting Megaera's?|| I can either ||comfort him or ease off||
graceful wharf
no and pick comfort
turbid hearth
thank you
graceful wharf
you're welcome
tall ingot
vagrant cloud
I've been stuck on the key Megaera for like, 40 runs. Is there some other prerequisite? Like I beat her on extreme measures enough times?
jovial fossil
yup, you need to beat her with extreme measures enabled a certain number of times
vagrant cloud
Must've been getting a lot of Tisiphones and Alectos, then. Finally unlocked it, unceremoniously, after a casual farming run.
uncut creek
Having a bit of trouble killing ||skelly|| with the zag aspect. How do you go about completing his wish?
slender matrix
@uncut creek do you have it fully upgraded
uncut creek
Yeah
atomic forge
did he ask you to do it?
uncut creek
Yeah, he's ask me to do it, twice now. I have killed him while just holding the zag aspect blade. Can't give him any more nectar.
restive elk
wheat lark
what are the requirements for Artemis' legendary boon fully loaded? I have never seen it and it's the only one I'm missing
atomic forge
having a cast boon and at least 2 artemis boons
if i'm not mistaken
legendaries can be a pain to find though
really low chance to get them
wheat lark
thanks
steady beacon
Yeah, it took me so long to get Dionysus's legendary boon to complete his prophecy. Which is especially hilarious considering I tend to go for his (and Athena's) boons most of all
balmy crag
@tall ingot
you can accept both asaik
I don't think so
I've maxed everything with both, but only meg gave me this romantic option because I did her first
steady beacon
I fully romanced Than before I even got Meg's companion, and now I'm one heart past her romance arrow
atomic forge
Maxed Than's meter before even starting Meg's romance route, ||but got Meg's bedroom scene first.||
balmy crag
@bleak osprey Well in that case I might have stumbled upon a bug
because I maxed than's gauge ages ago
and still have not had the romnace option
steady beacon
Got Than's bedroom scene first, and as an ace I wasn't sure I would love it? But after the cut to black the sounds were mostly just giggling and laughter, and it was so adorable
lime orchid
https://gyazo.com/513be3470b473cc39e1fdff0ccdcaee5 uhhh what is this?
steady beacon
That means that you unlocked more of his affection! If you give him one Ambrosia now, he'll give you a companion trinket that'll let you summon him- give him more after that, and both he and the game will consider this to be you romancing him.
steady beacon
He is very very pretty, both in terms of looks and voice 
and there is a cut to black bedroom scene you can get with Than, but the sounds during the cut to black were laughter and giggling, far as I could tell. It was actually very very cute??
If I heard the sounds properly, I mean.
bleak osprey
who wouldn't want to smooch the boy
atomic forge
People who aren't attracted to men.
bleak osprey
a very fair point
atomic forge
Nova is absolutely correct, though.
is there no resolution for achilles and patroclus' troubles currently?
||No.||
dang
full anchor
he's not a man, he's a god.
atomic forge
He's male.
glacial storm
from what I know of greek mythology tryin ta smash gods rarely ends well for mortals ๐
atomic forge
Good thing Zagreus is not mortal.
glacial storm
good thing indeed
boreal perch
dude
so i went out of styx
and defeat hades for the first time
but he goes saiyan on me
i died
atomic forge
Yeah, realizing that you're the one staring down the guy who just powered up instead of the other way around is a bit of a "Good thing I wore brown pants today" moment.
remote meadow
Re: Thanatos, is the requirement to beat him X times total, or X times in a row? And do we know how many times that is?
atomic forge
X total times, and no, but once you gift that first Vintage Ambrosia, he should start showing up for new conversations every time you beat him.
remote meadow
I might just do a bunch of low heat runs to try to trigger him....
pls Than. let me love you
livid lance
Keep in mind you have to take damage within the last five rooms to trigger him
paper pawn
how much bullying do i need to do to orpheus to make him give me this last song
about to yeet him out my escape window at this rate
atomic forge
"go beat my dad instead of sulking here you idiot"
Orpheus makes it out, remembers to check both sides of the road, watches out for bananas and farming tools, and hasn't died so many times he can spontaneously combust upon remembering them.
paper pawn
zag shakes in fury
atomic forge
hades hires new contractors to rebuild the underworld from the ground up after seeing a poet get out of his realm twice
proper cairn
IMAGINE though
imaging ruling an entire plane of existance where the rules "dont leave yo"
and people both enter when they are not suposed to and then leave
some even more than once
graceful wharf
Slug you need to beat the game in maximum heat in order Orpheus to give you the last song
atomic forge
Like 40-45 heat?
graceful wharf
nah i was just jesting, trying to trick him into suffering more
atomic forge
32 Heat is only possible with perfect run. 45 Heat is legitimately not possible.
slender matrix
Yeah I mean max heat would mean
middle management
no healing
500 darkness
and a 7 min timer
atomic forge
I mean, if you very rapidly spawned into Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle...
Technically possible in the opening rooms of Tartarus.
slender matrix
Even then you have to not get hit at all
with a timer
the timer is the real deal breaker
I can see someone playing extremely safe
and doing it very meticulously but slowly
atomic forge
All of your points would have to be in health and DDs just to get to the point where Hunting Blades lets you start being more aggressive.
You'd be pushing the timer in Tartarus, probably, just from the opening rooms.
In Asphodel you might be better off, but it would still require getting inundated with Artemis very early.
slender matrix
I can't ever picture it happening
+2 blue hearts is too much lost time
especially with that many mobs
atomic forge
Hunting Blades hits ten times per second.
slender matrix
Hunting blades becomes active in like room 4
and until that room you would be stuck with ares cast
atomic forge
Could begin with Deadly Strike/Flourish.
proper cairn
to clarify i dont condone cheating or anything of the sort i just think it would be an interesting project to test
slender matrix
oh yeah you would also need to highroll all of those
because you have 2 less options
lol
I hope someone does it
sounds wild
slender matrix
maybe the game can get some interesting challenge runs
slender matrix
like you start with hunting blades on a 5 min timer
that would be way more fun than hell mode
proper cairn
it should really do a challenge thing
imagine
you find like a dream item on the way up
and hypnos gives you "avengeance" challenges
you could live the "death" of shades/heroes or something
atomic forge
Dream World where Hypnos makes Theseus look pencil-necked.
slender matrix
Oh that gave me a neat idea
atomic forge
No no, he's BFFs with Asterius in Elysium.
slender matrix
there could be a challenge run where than lends you his death zone thing as a cast
proper cairn
Yeah
slender matrix
and you try to clear the run under a certain time limit or smthg
graceful wharf
what did you just bring on this cursed land
graceful wharf
thanks i hate it
proper cairn
gosh i wish i knew how to program things
my situation puts me in a weird place in game design (wich is what i went to school for) i learned the theory but i couldnt learn the practice
wich sucks honestly
slender matrix
You studied game design and you didn't have programming classes?
visual laurel
proper cairn
sorry
visual laurel
No prob!
slender matrix
can I ask a quick question while you are here
visual laurel
Sure
slender matrix
Is everyone from supergiant in this discord
visual laurel
Most of us are! But people are active in varying degrees.
visual laurel
I think Ashley has an account but she only uses it for Q&A, same for Darren. If you want to send a message to someone specific your best bet is to use the contact form on our website!
remote meadow
I saw that the rng seed stays if you "give up" -- does that include Thanatos spawns?
slender matrix
It feels so weird addressing people I don't know with their first names
I wish they had some random nicknames like the rest of us
visual laurel
Thanatos spawns are afaik not determined by seed
slender matrix
Nah I don't have any specific message
visual laurel
I could be wrong though, I don't make stuff, just test stuff
slender matrix
I just love them and how they shaped pyre
remote meadow
well. he only shows up once per run, yeah? since I lost, I'm better off restarting the run and hoping he shows up again (I'm still in Tartarus, so it's no big deal)
proper cairn
i must say. the exclusion of greek fire in this game makes me surprised
fading brook
sorry if this has been asked before, i canโt backread on mobile, but did the supergiant team ever confirm what orpheusโ design was based on? iโve been delighted going off the assumption heโs based on robert smith from the cure but iโve also seen dream from sandman brought up by other users
proper cairn
maybe both
drifting citrus
from now on i'm gonna taunt theseus by pointing out how i'm the main character and he's not (anymore)
proper cairn
he was the main character?
drifting citrus
according to the recent Q&A, theseus was originally the main character and the game was gonna be about delving into the underworld
but they switched it up real early
proper cairn
i see i see
pallid crag
hes also the main character of his myth
proper cairn
true
steady beacon
i think it's more fun using a lesser known god, anyways. Makes it feel much more 'lost to the depths of time' than the use of a well known mythical figure, imo at least
atomic forge
@fickle yoke his "quest" is him asking you to kill him with it
fickle yoke
yup
atomic forge
whether you upgrade it then and there or beforehand won't matter
atomic forge
it doesn't change anything if you upgrade it when he asks you to kill him or if you've done it earlier
fickle yoke
ah ok
atomic forge
second time i'm in erebus and
an onion?
really?
Yup.
i got pinged for 1 by a brimstone and that was it
i'm p e e v e d
Ooh, yeah, that happens.
are they even worth it then? the opportunity cost can be pretty high
Yup.
leaden canyon
high risk high reward mate
atomic forge
Sometimes not even that, I think if you take a Heat Gate before a boss shop you still get the boss shop.
Happened to me in Asphodel last night.
yeah but you'll get one less room in the next biome
which is probably a plus for elysium tbh
steady beacon
When you beat Hades and he says "You shrug off death as if it means nothing to you." I half wish Zag could respond "Actually, death's my boyfriend." If you've fully romanced Than
fading brook
OK I DIDNโT EVEN REALIZE THAT ZAGTHAN IS PRETTY MUCH 100% REAL AT THIS POINT
ME AND MY FRIENDS ARE ALL LOSING IT
steady beacon
HOW DID YOU NOT REALIZE THAT
fading brook
I HAVENโT PLAYED IT IN A WHILE
MY FRIEND WAS STREAMING IT AND I COMPLETELY MISSED THAT THEY BASICALLY CONFESS BEING IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER AT THIS POINT?
bleak osprey
lucid salmon
Well it's currently either 100% real or 50% real (or they could track how many times each option has been picked)
lament shadow
which conditions do y'all usually choose from the pact of punishment?
solar depot
isn't it grand 
love is real
atomic forge
wow front facing thanatos is scary
solar depot
he's not used to smiling ๐ข
atomic forge
understandable, he doesn't have a very fun job
bleak osprey
atomic forge
extremely accurate
lament shadow
How much heat is Hell Mode?
atomic forge
reef spear
Do I need to do something special to do the next step with Skelly? I've given him nectar up to the limit but he doesn't ask me for anything, and I can't gift Ambrosia. (And I maxed out the Zag sword and killed him with it, but nothing happens)
leaden canyon
only true romance is between zagreus and skelly
atomic forge
don't bone the skeleton
drifting citrus
he's already boned
grand tiger
A question: after you forge a bond with Than is there a special interaction like with Meg? And is it necessary that you don't romance Meg to get that? Because I ship Than and Zag and if i'm blocked out of that cause of Meg... I WILL CRY.
grand tiger
oh ok thank Aphrodite for that
maybe i haven't got it yet because i still have some more plot to go through with him
but he is hard to find... =/
atomic forge
took me a while to get the scene even after getting the bond forged message
solar depot
his rng can be a little fickle too, i think? that's certainly been my experience 
visual laurel
yeah the RNG can be...rough
solar depot
i'm still waiting, i'm devastated and my crops are withering more by the day
grand tiger
^^^^^^^ me tho
atomic forge
i assume meg and than never go back to your chambers afterwards, right?
drifting citrus
if your crops are dying, that means he's doing his job
grand tiger
i would be down for polyamory haha
lime jasper
what is the point of Cast, it is too weak, hard to recover and can't spam like attack and special
grand tiger
i don't think this is the right chat for that, but... boiling blood.
atomic forge
and boiling blood yeah
lime jasper
oh right wrong chat
sharp hawk
What does the cast have to do with boiling blood
If boiling blood is one of the final boss' abilities
atomic forge
it's a mirror perk
gives you bonus damage against enemies that have a bloodstone in them
up to 50%
sharp hawk
Aah it's also called boiling blood? I see
bleak osprey
boiling blood on the mirror came first ;P
woeful dune
Jo, I have a question. What are the conditions/effects of Zeus "High Voltage" boon and Dionysus "Black Out" boon?
I tried everything but they just don't appear...
And if we are at it, there are 3 duo boons that are also very shy: Scintillating Feast, Deadly Reversal and Hunting Blades.
Which gods provide these three?
atomic forge
for the duos - zeus/dio, artemis/athena, artemis/ares
the main answer is just get lucky though
keep trying, they'll drop sometime
hollow garden
Black Out needs Poison and Festive Fog
atomic forge
high voltage requires anything that makes a lightning bolt
hollow garden
Hunting Blades is Ares and Artemis but you need Slicing Shot particularly from Ares
atomic forge
scintillating feast requires a fog effect from dio
woeful dune
Thank you 
hollow garden
High Volatage also requires a Tier 2 boon, such as Jolted or Double Strike
steady beacon
only true romance is between zag and bouldy, you heathens
glacial storm
if you give bouldy enough nectar he should appear in your chambers
steady beacon
perfect
lime orchid
https://gyazo.com/d965f013f9ff139cfb454b67eeb64537 damn thats so sad
bleak osprey
upper vigil
:((((
steady beacon
it's okay, zag will probably get them back together in an update at some point
he better
upper vigil
he better ๐ช
turbid hearth
ok chat I'll bite - how do I get Vicious Cycle, Ares's Legendary?
I've taken Ares's Aid like 10 times in a row and never seen it
proper cairn
idk its a rare apearance?
turbid hearth
I assume it's based off his ult
atomic forge
nah, anything that creates a blade rift
bleak osprey
it isn't, directly
woeful dune
It has the effect that consecutive strikes with the blade circle deal more damage. So you need definitely a blade circle via dash or cast.
bleak osprey
vicious cycle requires either black metal (larger rifts) or engulfing vortex (longer + pull effect on rifts)
turbid hearth
it's the only boon I haven't found yet
bleak osprey
and black metal/engulfing vortex require his cast, dash, or aid
atomic forge
Glad to see people are appreciating Nemesis World Splitter.
lament shadow
the Aphrodite + Artemis combo wins again
atomic forge
If only you had been able to switch your Attack and Special.
lament shadow
True
but I worked with the cards dealt
That big chop was fun
wish I had the flurry
atomic forge
Let's see it.
dawn ore
Iโm... working on it
atomic forge
Uuuhh huh.
atomic forge
I think I made it to the Heroes once on 32 Heat.
I know I've made it past the Hydra a few times.
dawn ore
The hydra on 32 in that tiny map where every step lands you in lava is just... bad
With heightened security maxed
lime orchid
Anyone know how to get Sisyphus' companion?
I gave him all the nectar I could and now im just... waiting for it xD
I know there's some contract thing
that i need to buy
but it never shows up at the contractor
jovial fossil
you have to talk to a bunch of people to unlock the contract
just talk to everyone you can
lapis bluff
hidden weapon aspects are not in the game yet right?
lapis bluff
can we access those 2 locked rooms?
atomic forge
Not yet.
proud matrix
so what's the cutoff point with meg and than
I've already advanced than past the cupid arrow but its still letting me offer than ambrosia
and i'm not sure if its gonna screw me if I try to do both, persona style
proper cairn
go for both
atomic forge
The cutoff point is a direct choice at the end. You can max them both out safely.
proud matrix
k
lime orchid
xD
atomic forge
WHY IS THESEUS IN A CHARIOT WITH MOUNTED MINIGUNS
atomic forge
๐ EXCUSE ๐ ME ๐
atomic forge
Okay cool I only lost all my death defiances
grand mantle
BECAUSE HE'S AWESOME
And painful.
the new dialogue for Theseus is actually amazing. Whoever voiced him must've had a hell of a fun time, because he comments on the chariot, laughs maniacally as he sprays the arena with bullets, and complains when it's destroyed XD
lime orchid
Theseus overall sounds fun to do
sacred dune
okay wait how many runs in do you have to be for Theseus to appear on an episode of Pimp My Ride cause so far he's just been throwing his spear at my head nonstop
drifting citrus
you have to turn on the extreme measures condition to the max
lime orchid
who wouldnt wanna be a narcissistic god maniac with a chariot? 
lime orchid
pact of punishment
sacred dune
ah
lime orchid
wouldnt say free cuz... frick the hydra
grand mantle
^^
I love all the furies and Theseus in Pimp My Ride, but my god Hydra is just frustrating.
lime orchid
stupid fire everywhere
atomic forge
Wait
grand mantle
lava and fire and that head ground pound covers a third of the available arena.
lime orchid
boiling blood?
grand mantle
Was he charmed at the time?
atomic forge
no
grand mantle
Or boiling blood?
atomic forge
I downed him