#h1-story-discussion

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proper cairn
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i mean its a hymn to zag

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maybe do something heroic to earn it?

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since you are Zag

lusty crow
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Nadia are you saying we have to keep climbing the heat with no buffs or can we use mirror buffs?

proper cairn
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no clue

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it was just a thought

paper pawn
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dionysus

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huh

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wonder what i need to do to trigger that convo with dio

proper cairn
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oh you cant romance gods

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olympians i mean

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atleast i dont think so

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the ones i know of currently are than and meg

lusty crow
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Oh nice, I just got the quest for sislys or whatever his name is. The bulder guy

graceful wharf
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you mean not yet

lusty crow
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Yeah, I thought you could so when I first started this game I was maxing meg and Artemis with my potions

paper pawn
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oh i mean the song, it's apparently from dionysus

proper cairn
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oo

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it feels so good to play in an actual chair and infront of a desk again

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i am actually doing alot better i am currently at temple of styx with the bow for the first time

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also on heat

graceful wharf
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which bow

proper cairn
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basic zag bow

lusty crow
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There's gotta be a better way to farm these gems than just troves. There has to be something I missed or one of the relic items from giving ambrosia has to boost collection

graceful wharf
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do you just like Zag bow or you haven't level up the other aspects, all of Zag aspects are pretty boring imo except the sword

proper cairn
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i honestly dont like any other aspects

graceful wharf
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now this is new

proper cairn
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to be fair

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i have only upgraded the sword and bow aspects thus far

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since i have been avoiding other weapons because i sat on the floor before i got this desk

graceful wharf
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i see, did you beat Hades

proper cairn
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on hades rn

graceful wharf
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well gl then

proper cairn
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the lasers got me killed

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one didnt show up because it was stuck on a pillar

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so i got into one shot range

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and then he did his dash spin

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more than halfway done on second phase

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imma weep

graceful wharf
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how many death defiance

proper cairn
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i had 2 going into the fight

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stupid mistake on phase 1 made me lose one

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so its entirely my own fault i lost that one

graceful wharf
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yeah i mean Zag aspects alone are pretty tame compare to others

proper cairn
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pff

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you say that but 5 double backstab crits in a row deals alot of damage

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i am a lucky person when it comes to rng

graceful wharf
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Zag aspect + hammer upgrade that makes you never have to reload = profit???

proper cairn
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no i used the double shot

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and weakening attack

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only because the damage boost is good on it

lusty crow
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Never reload is the only way to play that gun!

proper cairn
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i wasnt using the gun

graceful wharf
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yeah i just find it funny how that upgrade render 2 of the aspects useless

proper cairn
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im usign the gun now though

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and i want to cry

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its my least favorite

graceful wharf
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Hestia aspect is pretty fun, reload and then boom, then you reload again

proper cairn
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seems pretty dumb imo

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i wont use it

graceful wharf
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you only say that now but you will soon come to it

proper cairn
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no honestly

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unless it gives me more ambrosia and stuff

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i wont use it

graceful wharf
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beside the 2nd aspect is even more silly, you shoot a rocket and then you have to stand on the blast radius to empower your shots

oak kindle
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"the gun is mega poweful" -the lore

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"its a pile of dog poop on a stick" -gameplay

mossy galleon
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Funny thing, I got my 1st clear with the gun

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Infinite + Explosive Ammo, Heroic Attack boon from Artemis, Support Arrows

proper cairn
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i never take this much damage with any other weapon

mossy galleon
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And rare Attack Speed Hermes boon

proper cairn
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i dont like how you cant move when reloiding

graceful wharf
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railgun is actually rising to be my most favorite weapon thanks to Hestia aspect

proper cairn
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reloading*

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its just one shot though

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so boring

mossy galleon
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Infinite Ammo turns it into a whole different beast

graceful wharf
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oh shoosh you, one shot is enough

proper cairn
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i got epic heartbreak attack

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99% base increase of damage

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lucky

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okay i take back what i said

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i learned how to use the gun

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its pretty good

mossy galleon
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you can also go for a special build

proper cairn
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i mean i have a poison rocket

graceful wharf
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have i mentioned that one shot deals 150 damage so it equals to an entire clip or more

proper cairn
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still not worth it

graceful wharf
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fiiine go play with that boring Zag aspect

main gulch
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Did somebody say Hestia

graceful wharf
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it was i, Hestia aspect is the best

proper cairn
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i like boring

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it just means i dont need any extra help

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i just gotta get good

main gulch
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Good taste fellow hestia aspecter

graceful wharf
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ah i see you're a man of culture as well

main gulch
graceful wharf
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but but but you just said Hestia aspect was boring

proper cairn
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i think getting extra help is boring

main gulch
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Roundabout way of saying they like Hestia ooo

proper cairn
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i chose the boring basic thing instead

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because it means i need to rely more on myself and not a gimmick mechanic

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i dont WANT to centre my gameplay around one shot reloads

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i want to feel like IM the one being skillfull

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and thats just my opinion

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im not saying thats how it is

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its just my own feelings on the subject

main gulch
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That's fair ThumbsupKyoko

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Do you avoid like the mirror and stuff too

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Or is it just that aspects change it too much for you

proper cairn
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no thats a "skill tree"

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i just dont want the weapons to help me

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if that makes sense

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zagreus is vanilla

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i just want to use boons and hammers to make myself stronger and use my own skill

oak kindle
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thats stupid and arbitrary but suit yourself

proper cairn
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i know

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i never said it wasnt

main gulch
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Arbitrary but not stupid

proper cairn
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it is just a way for me to...feel like im getting better

main gulch
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Not stupid to play the game the way you like

proper cairn
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wich i am

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i dont feel like i would improve as much if i had one shot that dealt as much as one mag

oak kindle
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the bow has aspects which unupgraded are more sidegrades

proper cairn
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and?

oak kindle
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meaning you end up with equal power but different mechanics

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so maybe give those a try

proper cairn
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i like the crit bonus though

oak kindle
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chiron reduces special, but gives them homing

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yea

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thats fair

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sword has just straight upgrades

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movement speed aint nothing

proper cairn
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i dont feel the need to have a homing specials when i know the range of the bow special

main gulch
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Spear has straight upgrades too

graceful wharf
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you can still get clobbered with or without Hestia aspect, it's all depends on skill at the end

proper cairn
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i like the swords speed because it makes me feel more mobile

oak kindle
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its for different playstyles

main gulch
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Shield has different playstyle with Zeus shield

oak kindle
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chiron is for applying stacking effects

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like poison or doom

proper cairn
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you could just be in range instead

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land more shots if you know the range

oak kindle
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no

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because of the spread.

main gulch
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Chiron changes it to a ranged single target ability

oak kindle
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youll hit one or two shots

proper cairn
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i land 2-4 shots each special

oak kindle
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with special, you hit them all on one foe

proper cairn
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or you can just be good at the game?

main gulch
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Yeah if you play the bow like a shotgun and be close, chiron makes it more of a ranged play

oak kindle
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which is situationally better

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what

main gulch
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It reduces the number of arrows you fire so it's not strictly better

proper cairn
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this is what i mean, i want to rely on my skill not the game helping me

oak kindle
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what

proper cairn
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and ofc the game gives boons and the mirror and all that

oak kindle
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a different playstyle doesnt equal extra help or an easy mode

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normal bow requires you be in an enemies face to hit multipile shots

proper cairn
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so you're saying homing arrows are NOT easier?

oak kindle
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homing but fewer

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its situationally better

proper cairn
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thats still homing

oak kindle
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not allways

proper cairn
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wich is easier

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because they hit

oak kindle
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works better for some things

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worse for others

proper cairn
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like everything you mean?

oak kindle
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if you want to hit an enemy more often, homing helps

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like poison

main gulch
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Chiron sucks if you want to apply doom to a room with Ares special

proper cairn
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im not oblivious to the fact that they are different playstyles Smug

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i said this

oak kindle
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homing isnt a straight upgrade

proper cairn
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i am just talking from MY OPINION

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thats all

oak kindle
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wheter or not its a straight upgrade isnt opinion based

proper cairn
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i dont know why you are all in a tissy about it

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but its my opinion

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not facts

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calm down

oak kindle
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what

main gulch
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No worries as long as you're having fun RaphiYeah

proper cairn
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i am

oak kindle
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you can think its easier

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thats fair

proper cairn
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wich i do

oak kindle
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which

proper cairn
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yes yes

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last i checked this wasnt a spellingbee

oak kindle
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i just corrected you because you made that mistake more than thrice

proper cairn
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i type fast

oak kindle
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aight

proper cairn
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alright*

oak kindle
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thats an abbreviation

proper cairn
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i know

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dont need to be flexin' 3 smart 5 you

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i speak two languages swedish and english i wont be perfect

oak kindle
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german and english

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but whatever

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now were just being petty

proper cairn
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wow, you really are superior

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your name suits you

graceful wharf
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calm down, i was just joking at first and Smug just voiced their opinion

oak kindle
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the only thing i was upset at was you saying its better for everything

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which just aint true

proper cairn
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i didnt say that?

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i said it makes me feel like its easier

oak kindle
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quite litterally did

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you didnt say that

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"works better for some, worse for others"
"like everything you mean"

proper cairn
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then you missed when i explained that i was talking about my opinion

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thats

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fewer homing arrows hit with all of them most of the time no?

oak kindle
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they hit one single enemy

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which is worse for things like doom

proper cairn
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i know that

oak kindle
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but its better for poison

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sometimes better, sometimes worse

proper cairn
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by saying "everything" i meant "everything you shoot"

oak kindle
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they all hit yes

proper cairn
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it majorly hits every special shot

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exactly

oak kindle
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99% of the time

proper cairn
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thats what i meant.

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not that it is straight up better in general.

oak kindle
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but you only have up to 7 at max upgrade

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and special damage is

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negligibile

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its 10 by default

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70 on one enemy with that kind of windup isnt good

proper cairn
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sure, in the future though. if you dont know for sure what i mean dont assume

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it makes an ass out of you and me

oak kindle
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i was pretty confident, i was just wrong

proper cairn
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can we just go back to calling my opinion stupid instead?

oak kindle
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with certain weapons youre fully right

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spear is definitley much more powerful with aspects

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gun...eh

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i dont like gun

graceful wharf
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Bow>Spear>Sword>Shield=Gun for me, just preference no power level considered

main gulch
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Gun is best weapon

proper cairn
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Sword>Bow>Spear>Gun>Shield

mossy galleon
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this is how I gun

oak kindle
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gun< everything else

proper cairn
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sword is honestly the most versatile in my opinion

oak kindle
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at the very least, we can all agree hera aspect is garbage

proper cairn
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its not garbage- i just dont use aspects outside of Zags aspects

mossy galleon
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Haven't had much luck with the spear

graceful wharf
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true true though i haven't find a way to utilize poseidon sword

oak kindle
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easy

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artemis run

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exit wounds

proper cairn
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woah you guys use specific gods only`?

oak kindle
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180 damage once casts are removed from an enemy

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no

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but you can focus on a god

proper cairn
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woah

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crazy

oak kindle
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the game keeps your pool of gods small

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to like 4

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or 5

mossy galleon
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I end up focusing on Artemis most of the runs

oak kindle
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if you grab a gods trinket you can guarantee that one shows up first

graceful wharf
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also wrong Hera is probably the best one, with Aphrodite or Dio or Ares cast it's insane

main gulch
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The cast stack build works really good for Hera Bow too

proper cairn
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i just use what suits me the most

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lel

oak kindle
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thats fine

proper cairn
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i want hermes' +5 dash thing again though

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i got it once

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it was ez

main gulch
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Now that's godspeed alright

proper cairn
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i had zeus dash too

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rucky

graceful wharf
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i misspelled Hera into Hestia, i'm obsessed with gun now

proper cairn
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loleh

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i have nuts on my desk imma eat them when i drink later on

graceful wharf
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+5 dash and Athena dash deflect = invincibility

proper cairn
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tru

oak kindle
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i finished a 3 heat run with 33:33:23

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lel

main gulch
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2

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For shame

proper cairn
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well i must say

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i beat the hydra with the gun for the first time now

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on..1 heat

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and i think it was the first time ever

mossy galleon
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gun is in dire need of hammers

graceful wharf
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i still haven't get used to Hydra upgraded fight

main gulch
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I'm getting there slowly

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Need to kill the small heads quickly to get safe places to stand

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Part of why I like athena attack

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To deflect the wave attacks

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And the barrage the main one does

graceful wharf
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same, i just dash way too many times into the lava

proper cairn
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i almost got to temple of styx without defying death once

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almost

graceful wharf
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got axed by the bull?

proper cairn
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no

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i lost one with theseus last attack

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rip

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anyways

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i am at hades now max hp almost 300 and full 2 defiances left

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wish me luck

graceful wharf
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good luck

proper cairn
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i did it

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somehow

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4 minutes slower than with the sword

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oh well

storm cipher
proper cairn
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N I C E

storm cipher
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also, the bull looks like a saint seya with that armor on

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i love it so much 😂

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and!!! i did it!!!!!!! i unlocked mort

proper cairn
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OH

storm cipher
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i'm. CRYING.

proper cairn
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i forgot to unlock a thing in the mirror

snow brook
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Good job

storm cipher
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thanatos bringing that stuffed toy around is just PERFECT

proper cairn
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i thought i had a thing

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i didnt

storm cipher
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😂 😂 😂

proper cairn
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well

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im dumb

storm cipher
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it's okay

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i'm dumb as well

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(also i lied, it's 6 🔥 not 5 oop)

proper cairn
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oop

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i so wish there was vc on this server

storm cipher
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i gotta say, athena's boon for dashing saves me on a daily basis

proper cairn
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same

storm cipher
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ooof about to get to hades

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wish me good luck i have no idea what to expect

snow brook
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Good luck!

trail path
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How do you get the Keepsake from Skelly.... tried to beat him with the Sword but nothing happend

snow brook
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Did he ask you to kill him?

trail path
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he needs to ask first? rooThink1

ocean saffron
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Don't you kinda have to give him nectar?

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Or can you get a second keepsake out of him?

snow brook
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Yeah are you talking about his keepsake or his other thing.

trail path
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about the keepsake... saw a reddit post, that you kill him with max sword -> give him abrosia and he gives it to you

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how do i get him to ask for it?

snow brook
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If you are asking about the one unlocked with Ambrosia, you need to have him ask you specifically.

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As for how, let me see if I can find out real quick.

trail path
snow brook
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Looks like you need to get him to at least 7 hearts with nectar.

trail path
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ok thank you ^-^

snow brook
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And actually it does look like you need a max upgraded sword.

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Not sure if it means the Zagreus aspect or if another one works.

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Yep, it is the Zagreus aspect.

trail path
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ok good, i have zagreus on max...
I'm just on the hunt for the Legendary keepsakes and skelly sounded like the easiest to get

proper cairn
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the best aspect

sharp hawk
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Can confirm it's the zag aspect, got the keepsake this morning

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Speaking of the keepsakes, there are 5 right now, right?

snow brook
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I got the Sisyphus one completely by accident shadesmile

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Just four I believe.

sharp hawk
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Hmm, so ||Sisyphus, Thanatos, Meg and Skelly||, right ?

snow brook
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From what I know, yes.

graceful wharf
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yeah 4, also nice pfp they should make it a skin for Cerberus

snow brook
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No way, he is the goodest boy already.

trail path
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you get sisyphus by getting through his dialogue right? so no special actions other than talking to him or?

graceful wharf
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he is just a gooder boi because he blocking my way to freedom

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no idea really the requirements aren't very clear

trail path
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but maybe he just likes you so much, that he doesn't want you to leave...

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don't think about freedom, think about leaving you dog alone

snow brook
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All the legendary keepsakes have a quest attached to them.

graceful wharf
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and he trades that love for a sack of vermin 😤

proper cairn
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i am surprised

snow brook
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So Sisyphus it looks like you need 7 hearts for him again.

proper cairn
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i have done a huge leap in skill it seems like

snow brook
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All the peeps need 7 hearts to start their quests 🙂

proper cairn
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usually i would lose atleast one death defiance in heat mode

trail path
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ok thanks @snow brook

proper cairn
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before elysium

trail path
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i really hate elysium enemies... I often find the normal enemies harder than the bosses

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espacially the shield dudes

graceful wharf
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or the flaming wheels

trail path
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elysium is just annoying

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beautiful, but annoying

graceful wharf
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not as annoying and also hilarious as Theseus monologuing

trail path
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he is awesome rooClap

graceful wharf
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He looks wack with that phantom of the opera mask

proper cairn
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WAIT

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i havent lost a single death yet

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im almost at hades

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what is this

lunar kiln
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progress

trail path
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you're just a god

proper cairn
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im getting better quickly

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okay so i have literally maximum possible health and life left...bout to kill dad

storm cipher
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u can do it

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we believe in u

proper cairn
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i did it

storm cipher
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go kill dad

proper cairn
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was really simple tbh

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i only died once

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i think im getting good at this game

graceful wharf
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i usually get very greedy whenever i reach the final boss with full defiance then i lose all of them

paper pawn
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oh marcoos! my god of luck

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thanks to you i beat 32-heat today

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all hail

unreal flax
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i still havent got the dumb defiant from chaos

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bless me

paper pawn
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marcoos is my new religion

unreal flax
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i also need than please

forest meteor
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@proper cairn Congrats on your crushing victory! Getting good feels good.
On an unrelated note, it looks like you're unaware that, when typing on Discord, you can use Shift+Enter(return) to skip lines in your comments without having to type and post them one at a time.

proper cairn
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im not, i honestly just like typing like that

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i wont do it if it is annoying though

forest meteor
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Heh, as long as you're happy!

paper pawn
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marcoos i need a blessing for more gem troves

unreal flax
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you get nothing

paper pawn
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but i want to buy alcohol for dad

proper cairn
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i need more love from Dusa

unreal flax
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dad will never give zag any love

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even with all the things

paper pawn
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alcohol fixes everything

unreal flax
proper cairn
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I think dad will show Zag love when game is done

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in some form of late game

graceful wharf
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@paper pawn thank you my child, you have my blessing for gem troves

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Meanwhile i forgot i wasn't in the final level yet and i switched to skelly keepsake

paper pawn
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well now he can be pummeled in your place

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thank you skelly, your sacrifice will not be forgotten

graceful wharf
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Oh just his keepsake, i can't switch special trinket anymore so no smol skelly for now

paper pawn
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aw, well i love how indignant hades is when you pop skelly up in his fight

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something about a wretch 8D

graceful wharf
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Even Hades can't hold control of a spooky scary skeleton

proper cairn
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spowoky scawy skewetons

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r00d

cold canopy
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Try to tone it back a little on the teasing 😄

graceful wharf
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Oh sorry

proper cairn
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i ordered pizza my lads/lasses

atomic forge
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Something funny just happened. Got Megaera as the Tartarus Fury but with Extreme Measures on so Alecto was also there. Except I had romanced Meg. So, she and Zag began talking about their relationship while Alecto stood silently to the side.
It was just hilarious to imagine Alecto awkwardly standing in the middle of them with this look on her face as they flirt with eachother.

gusty stump
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I've gotten to Hades on every weapon for 1 heat but if I don't have shield he just wrecks me

proper cairn
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i think thats part of the point Grey

atomic forge
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I dont know. They just didnt acknowledge Alecto's presence at all. Or well Alecto didnt acknowledge the fact meg and Zag are dating. The conversation over-rode it.

proper cairn
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i think it was meant to be that wa

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way*

atomic forge
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Probably. I just found it funny.

proper cairn
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i belive you

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im on my way to romance her

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i want a pizza date with like...Meg or something, maybe alecto

graceful wharf
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And leave out Tisi, sad flute hour

glad lion
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😱 but Tisi is such a great conversationalist how dare you guys leave her out

graceful wharf
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Exactly

proper cairn
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im sorry

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Tisi is also invited

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i just figured that maybe she doesnt like people eating dead things

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with the whole murderer thing

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my hc makes tisi a vegetarian/vegan

graceful wharf
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She is most definitely a vegan

proper cairn
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no pizza for her

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i can make a sick salad or something chill like that

graceful wharf
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Have you seen her face, it's too late she already starved to death

proper cairn
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tru

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she can just hang around i guess, talkin' and such

graceful wharf
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I'm sure she will have such interesting tales

proper cairn
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indeed

somber gull
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Has she told you the one about murder yet

proper cairn
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she has

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and the murderer

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currently going about the mur...

spring yarrow
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmm ?

proper cairn
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indeed

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fruitfull conversations

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i lowkey actually belive in the greek mythos

unreal flax
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3 hearts left but than refuses to show

proper cairn
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he is big sad

jade smelt
#

Guys anyone can spoil the convo between than and zag in zags room? ( after maxing out hearts) ❤️❤️

atomic forge
#

You can either round home plate or back off.

spring yarrow
#

I'm trying to have Fully Loaded with Artemis but it doen't appear iddRee

random blaze
#

i can spoil

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if u want

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@jade smelt

jade smelt
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zap pls 🙏🏻🙏🏻

random blaze
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do you want pictures or just

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me talking about it

jade smelt
#

if u have the pictures it would be perfect

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but im fine either way

random blaze
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alright give me a sec ill private you

jade smelt
spring yarrow
#

Mmmm... Murder... MURDERER

trail nexus
#

Murder?

atomic forge
#

Mmmrrrrrr

proper cairn
#

murr...?

indigo sable
#

Should I buy 500 darkness for 1 ambrosia?

bleak osprey
#

i wouldn't, personally

indigo sable
#

Just unlocked pact of punishment

bleak osprey
#

but it depends on what your mirror progress is like

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and whether you'll need the ambrosia for gifting

indigo sable
#

how much do you need, isn't it only for the 4 big keepsakes

atomic forge
#

You need a lot of Ambrosia.

proper cairn
#

and romance

random blaze
#

mhmm well it is also used to progress certain relationships yes

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however there are multiple ways to get ambrosia.. if you need darkness

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then get darkness

indigo sable
#

Who should I focus nectar on?

random blaze
#

everyone

atomic forge
#

Whoever you want.

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There's no "wrong" way to play this game.

indigo sable
#

I've given 1 to everyone

proper cairn
#

good start

random blaze
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mhmm yup

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continue doing that i suppose

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thats how you get more story

indigo sable
#

I'm asking for who gives the secret keepsakes

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if those are unlocked by rep

proper cairn
#

you just give gifts, sometimes the hearts are locked and then you need to do a thing like kill a boss during a pact of punishment and other such things

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i think most give you the special secret thing after an ambrosia?

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tbf i have only gotten Megs gift

bleak osprey
#

the legendary keepsakes come from skelly, sisyphus, thanatos and megaera

indigo sable
#

cheers

proper cairn
#

sisyphus is a quest right?

unreal flax
#

just keep chatting them up and give them alcohol

proper cairn
#

when can you buy it?

indigo sable
#

Meg is such a narc tho

proper cairn
#

she is?

indigo sable
#

handing the nectar in as contraband

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good thing she's cool

unreal flax
#

oh meg's black out scene is spicy af

proper cairn
#

its not serious zag and meg are doing a facade

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"contraband" means "im trying to hit on you"

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with maybe one or two finger guns mixed in

unreal flax
#

i just need to run into than more

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srsly they need to boost the than appearance rate

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been 10+ runs before i run into him again

proper cairn
#

i met him like...2 or 3 times in a row

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lelele

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i dont like than though

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he is very...not for me

atomic forge
#

Then don't romance him.

proper cairn
#

well i wont, that wasnt my point though

unreal flax
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meanwhile the other time i ran into him i was using the bow and couldn't compete with him

jovial fossil
#

you need 4 ambrosia for the legendary keepsakes and 1/2/3/4 ambrosia to upgrade them

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so 44 ambrosia total

ornate osprey
#

Can you equip a normal keepsake AND a legendary one?

jovial fossil
#

meanwhile you need 180 titan blood to unlock all the weapon aspects
and you get 2 titan blood and 1 ambrosia a run
so trading ambrosia for titan blood and other things is acceptable, I think

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yes

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legendary keepsakes go in a different slot and do something else entirely

ornate osprey
#

Ok so it's worth going for at least one

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Any one of the 4 worth trying to get first? Feels like the skelly one is the worst

jovial fossil
#

meg or than is easiest, but they're also the least useful because they don't work vs the final boss, and meg's obviously doesn't work vs meg
skelly is actually pretty good vs bosses
bouldy is the best summon

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bouldy is free healing mid-fight

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on top of some damage and other stuff but mostly it's free health

atomic forge
#

Holy schnikes I think this 32 Heat run is gonna happen. Entering Elysium with full health, 2 DDs, and Low Tolerance with Heroic Numb Sensation on Chaos Aspect.

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I'm not gonna lie, Numbing Sensation (35%) and Sure Footing have been the real MVPs so far. Made it through the Hydra fight without losing a DD on max Heightened Security thanks to SF, and NS is keeping Exalted from running train on me.

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Welp, I'm not beating this timer.

proper cairn
#

now do it blind

atomic forge
#

Is there any more special dialogue after going past 20 heat? Cause there's no more rewards past it

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For 32.

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Goddangit. Now I have to work my way up to 32 heat now

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Thanks

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There's no bounties after 20, you can just jump straight to it.

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Hey that's right. Thanks. But I still might need to work my way up to 32. Gonna get destroyed if I jump from 20 to 32

wise python
#

is hades actually like the good guy in this

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like

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it sounds stupid but

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when fighting him at the end he doesnt want you to leave but it seems like he knows something bad will happen if you do

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i cant really remember the exact voice lines or anything

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but yeah i dunno, i quite like him

proper cairn
#

i can give many guesses based on in game lore, and irl mythology

wise python
#

also, i forgot to say about chaos seems to try and tell you that the olympians arent to be trusted

formal ivy
#

the Olympians themselves tell you that too lol

proper cairn
#

the olympians while a family dont like eachother

karmic fulcrum
#

Well the storyline is very suggestive of some weirdness in the otherwise expected greek mythos. Zagreus in Greek myth isn't actually Hades son, he's the son of Zeus and Persephone, who Hera had killed (because she obviously didn't like the idea of someone else's child as the prince of Olympus). So in this instance it's kind of suggested that Hades is acting as Zag's adoptive dad after Zag was killed and Hades and Persephone were married. Zag might not be able to leave the underworld because he's still "dead", though in the game the Titans have been chopped up already and Zagreus was 'pulled from the ashes of the defeated Titans and placed in the womb of Semele to be reborn'.

proper cairn
#

sooooo...Hades is a bad guy

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since Zag IS a God of olympus

wise python
#

so maybe hades knows that if you leave hera will not be very happy

proper cairn
#

and never got actually banished

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well hera has no right to complain

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and also gods are not allowed to kill gods

wise python
#

also i find it a bit weird how the king has the god's help when trying to kill you when they are supposed to be on your side

karmic fulcrum
#

Well not really, it's Hades job to make sure the dead stay in the underworld, so if Zag is still in that limbo where he's been killed by the titans, but not yet reborn as Semele's god-blooded child then it would make sense.

proper cairn
#

so IF Zagreus returned to olympus

wise python
#

oops

proper cairn
#

Hera would most likely be banished

wise python
#

yh but hera doesnt really care that much about killing people

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she tried to kill heracles and stuff

karmic fulcrum
#

Nadia, that's why hera had the Titans kill Zag

proper cairn
#

oh i didnt read properly

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my bad

karmic fulcrum
#

She didn't do anything, she just has someone else do the dirty work for her.

proper cairn
#

true enough

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my bad

shy rune
#

meh some people say that Zagreus is Hades' son

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mythology is all over the place

proper cairn
#

there ARE interpretations

wise python
#

yeh tbf, i assume that the game isnt completely in line with real mythology anyway

proper cairn
#

it is pretty faithfull actually

shy rune
#

some ppl even confuse Zag with Dio

wise python
#

yeh i know it is heavily inspired and tries to be faithful, but its never gonna be 100% or anything

karmic fulcrum
#

yeah, the mythology is a little muddled, since Zagreous is also another name for Dionysus in some documents and there's already a Dionysus in the game, meaning somehow Zag is a different god despite being conflated with Dionysus.

wise python
#

and theyre are gonna be leniencies

shy rune
#

no adaptation is 100% accurate

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or anything based on myths

proper cairn
#

Zagreus also has a role as a LIVING god

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so?

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its very ambiguous

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ambigous?

karmic fulcrum
#

Supergiant always has some wild and fun twists in their stories, so I expect some curve balls in Hades too.

proper cairn
#

words

wise python
#

im really looking forward to seeing what does happen after you 'escape'

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i assume they will update that eventually

#

I kinda half expected the gods to be waiuting there for you and to send you back cus I knew that you wouldnt actually escape, otherwise the game would be over kinda

proper cairn
#

I predict Hades will become nicer

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not nice

wise python
#

but that wouldnt make mujch sense cus they would help you out again

proper cairn
#

just softer i guess

karmic fulcrum
#

Zagreus is also the 'father of humanity' with his death and subsequent cremation resulting in the birth of the human race. Since human souls obviously exist in Hades that would suggest that this story definitely takes place AFTER Zag first dies, though whether or not he has been reborn yet is debtable.

proper cairn
#

I belive that Nyx quite literaly adopted Zag

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making him into some sort of spirit/god/embodiment

wise python
#

also just a question, do you ever get to go into the big golden doors? ive only got one win

proper cairn
#

i have like 4 wins

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and no door

wise python
#

so maybe thats being added later

#

or you need a lot more maybe

shy rune
#

big doors?

proper cairn
#

mayhaps

wise python
#

in the like lounge area

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where you respawn

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to the left are some big doors

shy rune
#

nah i dont think theres anything in there

wise python
#

where achiles is

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achilles*

karmic fulcrum
#

My money is that this game takes place in an AU where Zag never got 'reborn' and that's why he can never leave Hades. He's a dead god and as such is trapped in the underworld until who knows when.

wise python
#

AU?

karmic fulcrum
#

alternate universe

wise python
#

ah

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but dead people have left before right

proper cairn
#

no

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people have gone in and out of the underworld

wise python
#

ah but not dead people

karmic fulcrum
#

no one dead has ever left, a very few living people have visited and later escaped alive.

wise python
#

ok gotcha

proper cairn
#

but IF Hades used his authority to make Zagreus his son

karmic fulcrum
#

interestingly Orphius should be one of those people, but he seems to have died for reals in the game and is now stuck in hades

proper cairn
#

wouldnt zag technically gain part of the power of the underworld

wise python
#

i really like greek myth but cant really get into reading it or anything so i like stuff that tells it to you through other means

proper cairn
#

thusly get revived?

wise python
#

i think thats the purple stuff you collect

proper cairn
#

darkness yes

wise python
#

but i dont know about if it would revive him

proper cairn
#

Since gods with the authority of the underworld cant die...in the underworld

karmic fulcrum
#

I mean, that entirely debatable Nadia, when it comes to Greek gods any sort of "what if" is possible. I mean Aphrodite was born from a god testicle falling into seafoam.

proper cairn
#

because Hades rules over them specifically

formal ivy
#

Alecto says something about how Zagreus bleeds red like a mortal, that might be a hint at something?

proper cairn
#

aphrodite is technically a titan though

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He is the God of mortals @formal ivy

wise python
#

weirdly, when you kill hades at the end he dies the same way that zag does

karmic fulcrum
#

I think the reference to Zag "bleeding like a mortal" is because he is literally the creator of humanity.

proper cairn
#

so obviously he would bleed our blood

wise python
#

and everyone does tbf actually

proper cairn
#

not everyone

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only Meg

shy rune
#

titan blood is also red. soooooo

proper cairn
#

alecto and tisiphone becomes bats/butterflies

shy rune
#

theres that

wise python
#

the king does too but he is mortal actually

formal ivy
#

does he have that title? i thought he was just Prince of the Underworld

proper cairn
#

he does

wise python
#

not in the game but in real greek myth i think

proper cairn
#

yeah

formal ivy
#

ah okay

karmic fulcrum
#

in Greek myth Zagreus creates humanity when his dead body is cremated by Zues.

proper cairn
#

mhmhm

formal ivy
#

so we're still at epileptic trees atm

wise python
#

wat?

karmic fulcrum
#

out of the ashes of Zagreus and the defeated titans, Humanity arose; part god, part titan.

proper cairn
#

If i had to guess using my actual book of greek mythology

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Zagreus IS alive, however he has lost part of his godliness

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Hence the mirror and the darkness

formal ivy
#

does Hades give that long angry monologue at some point?

karmic fulcrum
#

all of Hades monologues are long and angry.

proper cairn
#

because he gained some authority over Hades/Underworld

wise python
#

nah not all of them

proper cairn
#

for those who dont know the underworlds actual name is Hades just like the god

wise python
#

at the end hes kinda sad

formal ivy
#

well, the extra long and angry one

karmic fulcrum
#

I don't know if actually has any more authority over Hades than any other demi-god.

formal ivy
#

where he's raging at everybody and everything in one breath

proper cairn
#

meh

#

No one has more authority than Hades IN the underworld

wise python
#

what?

karmic fulcrum
#

That's why i get the feeling that the game is meant to reflect Zag's "trials" to prove himself worthy of being reborn in the mortal world.

proper cairn
#

however almost every Olympian God IS stronger than Hades because of his distance to the "greek fire" or olympian flame

wise python
#

ah

proper cairn
#

i just like to spout greek mythology

karmic fulcrum
#

Like all the gameplay is meant to be reflective of Zag's "spirit" escaping the underworld so he can be reborn as Semele's son.

formal ivy
#

I'm not sure what naval weaponry has to do with the underworld

proper cairn
#

I dont think Hades is allowed to do tht

karmic fulcrum
#

Well maybe not for mortals, but Zag IS a god, even if he's a dead god.

proper cairn
#

also Kaerf greek fire is just the world flame that gods protect

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part of it prometheus gifted to humans

atomic forge
#

Greek mythology is all over the place. In some interpretations zagreus is dionysus. In other interpretations hes hades or the son of hades. Or hes the son of zeus

proper cairn
#

it just so happens to also be a weapon used by the greeks

karmic fulcrum
#

So maybe the ultimate goal is to forge Zag through these trials to reclaim his godhood.

proper cairn
#

hmm

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that would be Zeus task though

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since he is the KING of the gods

karmic fulcrum
#

I think we can set aside the possibility that Zag and Dio are the same, since the game version has both Dio and Zag as different gods.

proper cairn
#

and Hades is not Zeus equal

formal ivy
#

no, Hades has self-control

proper cairn
#

what does self controll have to do with authority?

atomic forge
#

They are sort of equals tho

karmic fulcrum
#

Still, it's important to remember that Greek Gods are also fond of forcing people to go through "trials and suffering" to prove their dedication to the gods.

atomic forge
#

In greek mytholgy zeus hades and Poseidon drew lots

proper cairn
#

they are brothers and Olympian rule has a "council"

formal ivy
#

what does self controll have to do with authority?
it's a reference to Hades' in-game lines smh

proper cairn
#

but Zeus IS the king

atomic forge
#

Hades got the short end of the stick and ended up with the underworld when his brothers got the skies and seas

formal ivy
#

I'm working with the game as a source first

karmic fulcrum
#

So Zag's trials of fighting through the underworld might just be Hades and the olympians giving him some "tough love"

proper cairn
#

NO Moon

#

hades got to chose first actually

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and he chose the underworld

#

Poseidon chose last

#

that seems more likely Orange

formal ivy
#

not here

wise python
#

Really? He doesn't seem too happy that he has to rule over the undeworld

proper cairn
#

Its the actual myth not in game

atomic forge
#

That's not true. They drew lots

proper cairn
#

just so you are aware

karmic fulcrum
#

I'm pretty sure the game Hades is using the myth that Zeus, Pos, and Hades drew lots for their domains.

proper cairn
#

yeah

formal ivy
#

"Blast you, brother Zeus, and you as well, Poseidon, both of you, you mis'rable ungrateful wretches. You, and all your pig-faced children, and your concubines, all there with you, all gaily celebrating every waking moment there upon your mountain, while I alone, alone! remain at work, here, tending to the blasted remnants of those mortals whom you send to me in droves, in DROVES, without regard, without so much as reaching out to me from, time to time, to check upon your oft-forgotten brother? With whom you sealed those blasted Titans underneath this realm, so that you could consort without concern, as now you do?! That such a fate as this would have been wrought for me, by those three cursed hags, or by the two of you, I swear, I swear...! And do not get me started on that damned ungrateful little runt now tending to his hopeless undertaking at my own expense, brazen little bastard that he is. His mother would be oh so very proud, so very proud, no doubt, to see him violating my domain, my home, my rules! The boy, he's even got into the dog's damned heads with his damnable notions, certainly his mother's guiles, plainly on display. Those fools upon Olympus, all abetting his inglorious attempts to give up everything he has, to give up everything I ever gave him!"

atomic forge
karmic fulcrum
#

Even if that's not always the case in Greek mythology.

atomic forge
#

It's all interpretations I suppose

proper cairn
#

Moon i have a mythology book

atomic forge
#

So many different versions

formal ivy
#

doesn't sound like he got any choice in this game.

atomic forge
#

I took multiple classes in greek mythology

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Both on hs and college

#

It was an easy credit

proper cairn
#

well fair enough

formal ivy
#

regardless of what might have happened in other tales

wise python
#

Let's not get into a pissing contest

proper cairn
#

thats not what im trying to do

atomic forge
#

Yea

proper cairn
#

i just wanted to say that i read the story i told about in the book

atomic forge
#

Me neither we're just discussing

proper cairn
#

not that my knowledge is superior

#

Athena has taught that wisdom comes in accepting different perspectives

#

my spelling not withstanding

wise python
#

F

proper cairn
#

yeah im getting alittle tipsy

#

just a tad

wise python
#

Dio would be proud lol

proper cairn
#

again i do actually belive in the olympians

#

so i hope so

#

even with my invertednes i toast and enjoy my time my own way

#

my switch is either broken or my charger is

wise python
#

ah damn unlucky

proper cairn
#

i want to enjoy a little FE3H

wise python
#

a friend of mine's daughter dropped theirs into a full bathtub and just left it and panicked for a few mins before pulling it out lol

proper cairn
#

wow

#

i dont know what i did to mine

wise python
#

the daughter is only like 4 or 5 or something

proper cairn
#

i took it out of my case and well..

#

its just not charging

atomic forge
#

In some interpretations zagreus is hades. Guys what if there's a twist and zagreus was hades this whole time. Brought to you by m night shyamalan

proper cairn
#

NO

wise python
#

lol

proper cairn
#

impossible

wise python
#

back to the future 2: electric boogaloo

proper cairn
#

i hope not

#

that would make me saddo

wise python
#

is time any different in olympus and the underworld than it is to like mortal world?

#

like, does it flow differently

formal ivy
#

don't think there's been any indication so far that it does. I feel the "it wasn't always like this" dialogue implies that time passes similarly, as do the bits about a big war and Thanatos/Ares being busier nowadays

proper cairn
#

nope

#

time is time

#

it doesnt change

#

however sleep didnt exist from the start

#

nor did bad dreams

#

chronos was kept "alive" to keep time...alive

#

sort of

#

should i play more Hades right now?

wise python
#

is that even a question? lol

proper cairn
#

true enough

#

LETS GET INTO IT

wise python
#

is the gun the last weapon currently available?

proper cairn
#

yes

wise python
#

ah, theres anothner place for one so I thought maybe there was some special condition to unlock it

#

but maybe a later update

karmic fulcrum
#

That special condition is "wait"

wise python
#

as in, wait for an update?

#

or just play for long enough lol

proper cairn
#

update

#

is the logical choice

#

what if Zag pulls a Kratos and kills all the gods

wise python
#

well, I dont know what I did to unlock the gun

#

I feel like i just played enough runs

proper cairn
#

pretty much

karmic fulcrum
#

wait IRL lol

wise python
#

lol

proper cairn
wise python
#

I really goddamn hate those butterfly rooms on the third floor

proper cairn
#

ye

#

same

#

soul butterflies

wise python
#

with the shielded butterfly balls and the shield guys that constantly spawn

proper cairn
#

attaches to those of a strong spirit

#

and just....destroys

wise python
#

what do the jars that you get from the king and minotaur guy do?

#

cus ive got a few but i cant give them to anyone

proper cairn
#

you mean ambrosia?

#

they are like nectar deluxe

wise python
#

yh ambrosia

#

I cant give it to anyone, do i have to keep giving them normal nectar or is it not implemented yet

proper cairn
#

normal nectar untill its Ambrosia you give

wise python
#

ok ty

#

in charon's well you can make sure a chaos gate spawns so does that mean charon has contact with chaos?

storm cipher
#

hermes rhymes with homies

#

it's never been truer

wise python
#

whats everyones weapons ranking?

proper cairn
#

Sword>Gun=Bow>Spear>Shield

wise python
#

oh really? wow

#

mine are

shy rune
#

Spear>All

wise python
#

Shield>gun>spear>bow>sword

regal latch
#

Gun/shield/bow>sword/spear is as far as I'd risk ranking them

karmic fulcrum
#

in terms of how much I enjoy them: spear>bow>everything else
in terms of what I am best with: gun>shield>everything else.

wise python
#

I enjoy the shield the most but am probably best with the spear or the bow

#

depends on the boons really

proper cairn
#

i hate that there is no clear indication when hades attacks

ocean saffron
#

I think there is

proper cairn
#

or well i know there is its just the snow that makes it impossible to see

ocean saffron
#

He has a little charge animation doesn't he

proper cairn
#

only for the spin

shy rune
#

he blinks white/red for the attacks

storm cipher
#

i love the shield as well

proper cairn
#

not the regular swings

#

atleast not in phase 2

#

i just want a clearer indication amidst all the snow

#

Hestia isnt the fire godess

#

is she?

#

i thought it was like...harvest

shy rune
#

hearth

proper cairn
#

mmm home and such

#

demeter is the harvest?

shy rune
#

ye

proper cairn
#

okay good stuff

#

man i love orpheus singing

#

its so calm and serene

wise python
#

The only thing that annoys me about voice acting is the way that zag says "mate" lol

#

he over enunciates the "t" in it

#

to me, atleast

proper cairn
#

well its just a dialect

wise python
#

Yeah I know. It sounds like a British accent to me but that bit kinda gets on my nerves a bit lol

proper cairn
#

i wish he had more emotion other than...calm

wise python
#

I kinda like the tone and stuff, it makes it seem like hes got used to this and its all mundane to him

proper cairn
#

okay so

#

i wanted to check my skill increase

#

so i removed everything from the mirror

#

almost died to tisiphone but she dead

#

so im in asphodel

#

without anything special or upgraded just one cast and one dash and one death

wise python
#

ah no apparently im not good with the bow lol

#

got to hades but just did barely any damage

formal ivy
#

my bow is a melee weapon

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fr I pretty much always build on Special for Coronacht

proper cairn
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okay

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so i got to theseus

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without any mirror help

left meteor
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with 0 in the mirror?

proper cairn
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ye

wise python
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I hate the special on bow

proper cairn
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darn

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second phase theseus killed me

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oh well

wise python
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how do you guys do that fight btw?

proper cairn
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almost got to styx without any mirror points

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almost

wise python
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I always kill the minotaur first while just running around

proper cairn
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sam

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same*

wise python
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then get theseus

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theseus is just a more annoying shield boy

proper cairn
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ye

rain wind
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Im finding using A hell of a lot of crits and supporting fire from Artemis is helping me along nicely

formal ivy
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depends on the build, but definitely lots of running around and ducking behind the pillars

proper cairn
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MEG ROMANCE

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YES

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i cant belive i actually reacted with the same type of "Yes!" Zag did

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what a coincidence

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okay so you can wave dash in Hades

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using a controller you can dash while not doing the animation

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by simply having a spasm with a controller

regal latch
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But can you do attacks while sliding?

proper cairn
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i think so

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it looked like it when i was testing

atomic forge
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Wish there was some more unique dialogue after you romance meg

proper cairn
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agreed

regal latch
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Isn't it just a dash attack I mean

proper cairn
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no i dont think so

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i tested it very quickly

main gulch
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which weapon did you test with

proper cairn
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sword

main gulch
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can tell if it was a dash attack or not based mostly on if it was a swing or a thrust

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(except for the third hit ofc)

proper cairn
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i know

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my test was mostly just buttong massing agressivly

main gulch
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that's how i always play the game ChillSmug

proper cairn
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loleh

cunning needle
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day 100 of still not getting the thanatos event........my crops are dying

proper cairn
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I shall bless you my child

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The night shall bring you the fortune and favor you need young one

cunning needle
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at this rate i'll still be waiting for the event by the time the next update rolls in

proper cairn
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Worry not child, you shall meet death

autumn warren
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erf I'm getting so close of beating hades

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but he keeps spawning snipers on phase 1 it reduce my health so much

proper cairn
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you really need to focus the minions he spawns

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their armor is really tough

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the hp not so much

autumn warren
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yeah I know, I can handle the mobs but snipers are so awful for me

proper cairn
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strongbows?

autumn warren
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probably yeah, don't know their name

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I call them snipers since they shoot from afar and put a target logo

proper cairn
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enemy with bow from elysium

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strongbow

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longspear

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lightsword?

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i think

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i think those are the names

autumn warren
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strongbow then yeah

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not spear guy nor shield dude

proper cairn
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oki doke

forest meteor
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Sword dude is called Brightsword. So, you were close.

proper cairn
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dang

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thanks to me this server only needs one more boost

graceful wharf
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Should have waited till that person boosted first and be the one

proper cairn
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i can just remove a boost

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and then boost again : D

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jk jk

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i just want to somehow support

graceful wharf
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thank you for your contribution

dull willow
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Ahh...Feel good. Just finished my first complete run. Now to ||turn up the heat||

proper cairn
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il vento d'oro makes everything better

dull willow
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Is that one of the options? What does it do

proper cairn
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oh lord

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no

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il vento d'oro is a music track

dull willow
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lol

proper cairn
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that im listening to

dull willow
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Okay; should I listen to it on my next run? XD

proper cairn
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i mean if you like jojo or just snassy music

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go ahead

dull willow
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Okay

cunning needle
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do i need to have thanatos’s special keepsake equipped to be able to get the event with him?

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im basically destroying my hands trying to get than’s event

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i need to take a break from constant runs but im desperate to conclude his storyline

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its starting to feel really bad. like im in a grindy unrewarding lootbox game

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is there a list of all the conditions that have to be fulfilled besides forging the bond with him? i must be missing something because the rng can’t be this bad

atomic forge
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No, he'll just appear.

cunning needle
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he hasnt in 30 runs. i will probably start filing bug reports soon

atomic forge
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The RNG can be crazy. It took me a similar amount of runs before Meg's 2nd group of hearts unlocked for me. Just keep trying.

cunning needle
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are there any video recordings of the event that i can watch?

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that way i can know without having to break myself getting there

vagrant cloud
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IDK if the following is strictly gameplay or serous. I've believed in|| bouldy like four times, but this time I have this Ambiguity bonus +2% "you don't know if you believe in bouldy"||

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is my relationship regressing?

shy warren
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Guys, could you please let me know if you get anything from lvling up weapons?

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Like for example next lvl for my spear says kill 300 mobs, does it only unlocks more story or anything else

jovial fossil
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you get more story in the codex

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that's it

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the weapon improvements will be obvious and tell you in advance what they do

shy warren
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@jovial fossil I just received titan blood, what does it do? it says it unlocks other powers from my weapon?

jovial fossil
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once you have access to weapon aspects, you can spend titan blood to unlock and improve their effects

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IIRC you get access to weapon aspects after unlocking all the available weapons

rapid zinc
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Yup

jovial fossil
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Don't worry about running out of titan blood, you can get a lot more later

shy warren
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Are the upgrades worth it? Im not currently focusing on unlocking weapons but if they are I will buy them

main gulch
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Yes the upgrades make a lot of them significantly stronger

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For example at level 1 hestia makes your first shot do 50, and at level 5 it's 150

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So yeah pretty significant

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Oh you mean as opposed to base weapons

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Yes the weapon aspects make them way better

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All you have to do is unlock all the weapons then do one more run

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And you'll be able to spend your titan blood on them

jovial fossil
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each aspect is basically a hammer upgrade you can start with

shy warren
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I'm not usually into single player games but I'm loving Hades, just something about it so addicting!

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Thanks for your help guys x

paper pawn
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I like this interaction once where I had equipped dionysus’s cup between tartarus and asphodel and the first boom I find in asphodel is actually hermes who apologises that dionysus couldn’t be there and that dio had never been known for punctuality

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the devs think of everything trope

shy warren
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Yeah it's an absolute master piece!

paper pawn
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if this game were the standard repetitive dungeon crawler without the depth of these interactions i doubt i’d be running it more than four or five times, good writing is so crucial, looking at you standard triple A games...

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supergiant on a big budget is my god

shy warren
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Honestly only recently I started to play supergiant games and they are all mind blowing, from bastion to pyre I actually need to try transistor too

turbid hearth
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my #1 problem with the game is that it is addicting as Hell

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I keep finding myself up past midnight saying "just one more run"

bleak pendant
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Oh yeah. I’ve clocked a ridiculous amount of hours in this game, and I got it 4 days ago

formal ivy
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literally same, i think I've spent 75% of my waking hours on it this week