I love the shade in the House who is talking to the much younger shade: "You were born 100 years after I died. Of course I want to hear everything!"
#h1-story-discussion
atomic forge
runic terrace
omg i havent seen that one
atomic forge
Cause of death: Old age.
upper vigil
that's such a good one
runic terrace
young shade: so vine got shut down
old shade: like olives?
young shade: wow you ARE old
upper vigil
runic terrace
young shade teaches hypnos hit or miss and hes Insuffrerable about it
wowww zag you died again! well, you know what they say, i guess they never miss huh?
zag: [gets turned down by achilles]
hypnos: you got a boyfriend? i bet he doesnt kiss you MWAHHH
lost gorge
Delete this
lyric pine
delete this and then delete yourself kam
runic terrace
:<
rapid zinc
Don't listen, Kam, this is beautiful
atomic forge
"What a cruel ending to a good life." Cause of death: liver failure. Dionysus cult member in the House.
violet hull
I really appreciate his leopard skin cape
I wonder if he wears under wear
Doesn't seem like it
visual laurel
Zag & the Chthonics are required to wear pants because they have, like, combat sprites and they move around and stuff. The Olympians and anyone else who isn't running around fighting things can get away with wearing whatever they want 😂
I mean, look at Chaos, they're wearing faces
atomic forge
But, Aphrodite...?
visual laurel
"whatever they want"
It does lead to a funny separation where everyone in the Underworld is wearing tights/pants but anyone from the surface + all the Olympians clearly aren't and probably think it's tacky
the ancient Greek checklist for "bad fashion" was essentially pants and sleeves
atomic forge
They took Dio's "No pants at my party" rule a little too seriously.
violet hull
Hehe
visual laurel
implying dio set the fashion rules for an entire civilization, which was also partying for millennia
i like it.
atomic forge
If there's gonna be a culture dedicated to thousand-year-long parties, it's the Greeks.
atomic forge
Before he made it to Elysium, he never partied much, what with being locked in the Labyrinth.
Now his party is making paste of people coming through his domain.
somber gull
Theseus has probably tried to throw Asterius parties several times but much like Zag his response is “People... having a good time...? Can we go back to fighting now”
hollow garden
Still need my Theseus frat boy party where he smashes bottles of ambrosia against his head
atomic forge
"So you withstood the finest of Elysium." "Detecting a pattern yet, Father?"
cosmic crescent
"Haven't seen Hercules, so no."
atomic forge
Herakles. Hercules is the Roman name that got picked up by Disney because reasons.
cosmic crescent
Well maybe his roman incarnation found it's way into the greek underworld as well? Ever considered that?
atomic forge
No, they name Herakles directly in-game.
cosmic crescent
Hercules + Herakles Duo perhaps.
God knows Hades would be the first game in history to pull THAT off I'd say.
solar depot
heraklones 
hollow garden
leave it to disney to mess up interpretation of myths :kappa:
onyx spoke
next you're gonna tell me genies weren't voiced by robin williams in the old myths either
atomic forge
I haven't seen the live action Aladdin despite that being my favorite 2D Disney movie because Robin is gone.
cosmic crescent
I saw it.
I overall liked it very much
aside from one thing: The inclusion of a new character. Wasn't there before and serves no purpose now aside from being annoying and useless everytime she is on the screen.
Will Smiths Genie was cool though. Struck a nice balance between the 2D genie and his own thing.
frozen jolt
guys, please move to #off-topic-discussion for Disney movie discussions. 😅
limber sage
My bad!
teal nova
Does Zagreus get edgier as you play the game?
I feel like his quip ratio was a lot higher, and now he's getting all aggro about not crossing him and calling slain enemies pathetic
cosmic crescent
I feel like he is still quippy.
And he was also somewhat....to use your term, "edgy" about certain things.
He holds grudges against enemies that kill him, for example.
candid bear
Hes also very nice a lot of the time
teal nova
But I also notice him like
telling enemies to hurry up when they're getting summoned
He just seems very done on my save, lol
runic terrace
the bbu is def all abt zag learning to be angry so its just spilling over i guess lol
cosmic crescent
Like, if a lout kills you and you kill a lout on your next run, Zag says something along the lines of
"That was for last time."
Also, now that I mentioned louts, I am sure that I heard him say something to the wretched broker after getting killed by a lout as well.
Something along the lines of "You look like someone who killed me once."
visual laurel
Zag takes a very different attitude with things that are actively trying to kill him than he does with most others.
But to answer your question, afaik the "quip" to "aggressive quip" ratio doesn't change as you progress or anything; he's always fairly aggressive towards enemies, there's just a mix of more aggressive lines and more easygoing ones that can be selected in any given room
cosmic crescent
I am still not sure how I would classify Zagreus.
Chaotic Neutral Characters are always a bit hard to judge in that regard.
teal nova
I classify Zag as LN
atomic forge
No way.
teal nova
teetering towards NG
atomic forge
If Zag were Lawful he'd be helping with running the Underword.
Probably Good, probably Chaotic, could argue for Chaotic Neutral.
teal nova
Zag is lawful because he follows a personal code and virtues put forth by olympus
candid bear
Chaotic good for sure
teal nova
He's lawful in the way a lawful paladin would dissasdenble something abhorrent to his own strict beliefs
atomic forge
By that measure Bloodless are Lawful because they are dedicated to their code of destroying everything.
teal nova
Yeah, that's LE
atomic forge
No, it's chaotic. It's wanton destruction.
They're acting vaguely Lawful by working with Hades to stop Zagreus' escape attempts, but they themselves are very CE.
If you define Chaotic as not adhering to ANY sort of structure you don't have any narrative.
teal nova
Chaotic evil characters would destroy because it's fun, it's got a monetary value, or because they don't know
atomic forge
Money has no meaning to a Chaotic character beyond being able to create more chaos.
It's the difference in the Dark Knight between the Joker and the various gangsters.
teal nova
Defining lawfulness by Western societal standards doesn't work in all universes
atomic forge
Modern western philosophy has its roots in Greek, there's a lot of easy translation.
teal nova
And if someone is following a strict ruleset for how they behave, I would consider them lawful
atomic forge
By the standards of the setting, Theseus is top tier Lawful Good.
cosmic crescent
I mean, he is.
teal nova
He is.
cosmic crescent
A prick while doing that, but he is lawful good.
teal nova
He follows the rules of elysium
And he is a good guy despite being an abrasive asshole
atomic forge
And Zagreus is bucking every rule he possibly can besides his own personal code of ethics.
teal nova
Because he feels uniquely guilty
Contrast how he treats the underworld to how he treats the gods of olympis
atomic forge
But again, with that sort of definition you can make ANYTHING outside of random natural events Lawful.
teal nova
And contrast how he treats his friends to how he treats people he very much dislikes
cosmic crescent
I think that the way he treats the people that like him being very characteristic for a chaotic neutral character.
teal nova
He's got a ruleset he follows: I gotta get out of here, I will not stop, I'm adopting the ideals of olympis to find my mother
atomic forge
He's not adopting the ideals of Olympus, he's using their aid to escape Hades, and resolutely refusing to back down despite the massive damage it's causing every attempt.
teal nova
I think it depends on the scope you're looking in from
From the underworlds perspect, yes he's definitely chaotic
He's chaotic compared to Meg
atomic forge
Yeah, because Meg is Lawful and Zagreus is not.
teal nova
Who I would class as neutral, considering how she accepts ambrosia
atomic forge
Meg is LN.
cosmic crescent
I would say she is Lawful Good.
Hades work is important and right and she is doing what she is doing to keep said work and Hades work uncomprimised.
Without letting personal feelings getting in the way.
atomic forge
That's a good take, actually.
cosmic crescent
Alecto I would consider to be Lawful Evil because she is basically doing the same but getting sadistic pleasure out of it.
runic terrace
i play tisi as LN when i play her in dnd
cosmic crescent
What is TN?
faint socket
true neutral
cosmic crescent
Oh, yeah.
I would say that Asterius is chaotic neutral as well.
In a weird way though.
atomic forge
Lawful or True, probably.
cosmic crescent
All he cares about are the thrill of a fight and his relationship with Theseus
atomic forge
He is in Elysium, and endless combat is the thing to do in Elysium.
Again, any antagonist who stands in Zag's way gets a Lawful point just by virtue of working with Hades.
cosmic crescent
Depends on the perspective, but I'd agree.
What about Charon?
He certainly is not Lawful Neutral.
atomic forge
Lawful Neutral. He ferries souls, period.
cosmic crescent
But he also aids Zagreus against Hades' wishes.
atomic forge
Anyone with Obols can come through his shop.
cosmic crescent
I'd say he is true neutral or chaotic neutral.
atomic forge
No, Charon and classic Hades are the definition of Lawful.
cosmic crescent
I am sure that we will see more out of Charon at some point. Maybe that will illuminate the dark a bit more.
atomic forge
Charon's shops are for anyone who has obols. He doesn't discriminate.
cosmic crescent
Then there is the Hydra who is just a wild beast.
Not sure if Lawful can apply to that.
bleak osprey
a lawful neutral character is one who abides by laws and rules above all else - whether that's the laws of their city or their own personal code or what-have-you
atomic forge
Asphodel is 99% CE, with the 1% coming from the fact that Hades is technically enlisting the shades there to stop Zag's rampage.
visual laurel
I feel like Charon is True Neutral 🤔
Like...he IS following the rules and doing his job, but it sort of feels like the shops are a bit of a side-hustle, and selling support items to Zag is definitely not lawful
atomic forge
You've got a point.
cosmic crescent
My thoughts as well.
visual laurel
Hermes is also TN imo
cosmic crescent
There is also the bit where Charon actively gets in touch with the Olympians to enrich himself
visual laurel
He's about as hands off as he can be while still sticking his nose in everything
cosmic crescent
even though Hades has a strict "No olympians" policy
atomic forge
Nah, Hermes edges towards NG more than TN.
cosmic crescent
I'd say Lawful Neutral
Because he takes his job rather seriously, in his own snarky way.
visual laurel
He's not exactly lawful either though - he's keeping secrets about his involvement with Zag and the underworld in general
atomic forge
Like Ellis said, helping Zagreus is very much not Lawful.
That said, he's helpful to everyone.
cosmic crescent
Depends on how you look at it.
atomic forge
Even characters like Artemis and Athena can't say that.
cosmic crescent
First and Formost, he is a messenger, a job he is doing good and with vigor.
atomic forge
He delivers important messages to and from Hades.
visual laurel
that's true 🤔 messengers are the truest neutral good haha
cosmic crescent
Helping Zag is either a sidegig for him
or he has been asked to do that by the olympians
atomic forge
^
visual laurel
ok hold on i'm going to do a chart and I'll get back to y'all
cosmic crescent
They talk a big lot, but they are all in for themselves.
visual laurel
the Olympians are across a wide spectrum tbh
cosmic crescent
I understood what you mean
atomic forge
None of them are Lawful, and I doubt any of them are Evil.
cosmic crescent
so it was good enough.
visual laurel
ehhhhh
Ares
cosmic crescent
Artemis is the only one I'd say has true good intentions.
atomic forge
Ares is CN.
cosmic crescent
Ares I would not say is "evil" himself either.
atomic forge
No, wait, Athena is LG.
Even as helping Zagreus is Chaotic or Neutral at best, she's still Athena.
Ares could be LE.
Could.
visual laurel
yeah, I'd say she's LG, even if she has schemes™ that she isn't open about
cosmic crescent
Athena is one of the worst in mythology.
Her PR team must be amazing for her having such a good reputation.
But if I judge her but what is happening in the game
She doesn't give me the impression of being good.
She gives me the impression of wanting to look like she is good even though she is in it for herself.
Enjoying having that reputation of being good and just.
Which, eventually, is just selfish, chaotic neutral behaviour.
I am going to the grocery shop now. I'll buy myself some juice.
I consider that a lawful neutral choice of action.
somber gull
No one here fighting for Hypnos as CN? Smh y’all
atomic forge
Nah, he's LG.
visual laurel
NG
somber gull
He falls asleep on the job
atomic forge
Does his job with a smile on his face.
atomic forge
Hey, you get leeway when you're the anthropic personification of sleep.
visual laurel
Hypnos is big into passive sabotage, not clear whether it's intentional or not but either way
atomic forge
I feel like he tells every shade who asks what happened what to do to avoid it.
You know, most of them don't die 500 times.
somber gull
Hypnos knows no laws
runic terrace
"wow, old age, huh! you shouldve just stayed young"
atomic forge
I bet he was stumped on the tortoise guy.
No one said he was good at his job, just that he was lawful and enthusiastic.
visual laurel
ok i'm going to define good as "doing something knowingly with the benefit of others, including or not including oneself, as an end goal" and evil as "doing something knowingly with the pain, obstruction, or suffering of others as an end goal", and that IS subjective to each character so that's what the "knowingly" is for
if you do something only for yourself with no others considered, it's neutral
atomic forge
What if you do something destructive without regarding the people/things you're destroying and it was done purely for personal benefit?
atomic forge
Not like, intending to destroy necessarily.
visual laurel
yeah
that's more neutral
i think there does have to be some intent to harm in it for it to be evil
some initial intent to harm because yeah Zag is
morally
not in a great spot gkdfjg
atomic forge
So Zag breaking everything on his way out after he said "Hey, let me out of here so I can find my mother," is Chaotic but not Evil.
visual laurel
yeah
and self-defensive or reflexive harm isn't the same as actively desiring to commit harm
anyways
LG: Athena, Meg, Dusa, Theseus
NG: Hypnos, Asterius, Nyx, Hermes
CG: Dio, Artemis, Poseidon, Than (Than is a neutral/chaotic cusp, he's very conflicted)
LN: Zeus, Tisiphone
TN: Charon, Chaos
CN: Aphrodite, Ares, Alecto
LE: Hades
NE: Exalted, maybe
CE: most other enemies
atomic forge
I should join more official Discords, I'd never get thoughtful worldbuilding discussion like this without trolls derailing the discussion if it even got this far.
Thanks, mod team. ❤
runic terrace
unfortunate that chaos isnt chaotic anything
atomic forge
Entropy can get weird like that.
bleak osprey
thanatos wishes he was lawful lmao
atomic forge
^
visual laurel
thanatos knows he should be lawful but can't do it
atomic forge
I was gonna say, no, he's Lawful, but yeah, he sucks at it.
visual laurel
thanatos and meg are foils imo
atomic forge
Ooh, yeah.
visual laurel
meg gets attached and upset and still does her job
than gets attached and upset and immediately abandons work
and breaks rules to help zag, and then gets mad because zag is "making" him do it lmao
atomic forge
Blood and darkness, I wish I could have smacked or shaken Than once when he was really on that train.
I guess around the 400 escape attempt mark he stops blaming Zag as much, but goodnight it was starting to grate.
Part of me thinks that Hades will move to LN if his motivation is ever explained.
visual laurel
My main reasoning for the LE is when he says...hold on let me grab the quote
atomic forge
Like, it's gotta be more compelling than "This is the way things are, shut up and deal with it."
visual laurel
||"You would have me resort to such barbarity. Blast you, boy. Punishment is not the path to rehabilitation; it is for its own sake. I'd have expected all your trips through Tartarus to have taught you as much."||
visual laurel
I think so?
atomic forge
A friend of mine listened to The Gulag Archipelago a few years ago and that is disturbingly reminiscent of a line he told me about.
The author got to ask why inflict the conditions they did on inmates, how was that supposed to help them, and he was that it was for retribution, not correction or furthering the state.
visual laurel
I guess Hades doesn't see much point in rehabilitating people who are already dead
cosmic crescent
Hades is not a prison.
There is no point in trying to socially rehabilitate people.
They are reaping what they have sown in their lifes.
That is why the warrior heroes, best of the best reside in Elysium
while Sisyphus get's to push a boulder for the rest of his afterlife while being bullied by furies.
visual laurel
Right! Lawful Evil.
cosmic crescent
Yes and no.
Hades never asked for the job, he is just doing it.
And the punishments he comes up with are in accordance to the grievances the "inmate" in question has caused.
With Sisyphus being stated to be a prime candidate for rough punishment for having cheated death multiple times.
On the other hand, you don't consider a judge to be evil because he sends someone into prison for having commited crimes.
visual laurel
No, but the judge has their own belief systems too
A judge could believe that sending people to prison is to get back at them for harming society, or to reform them to reintegrate into a society; a judge could even be chaotic
cosmic crescent
Well, I would have used a death sentence as an better example her,e but that discussion would go far too deep for this chat I'd say.
And regarding the quote you pulled up regarding Punishment, it kinda proves what I said earlier.
Hades is not using Punishment as a tool for education or rehabilitation.
The punishment he deals is the consequence for what the souls getting said punishment deserve according to the rules of the underworld, his rule.
While Hades is far away from being a nice guy, I never got the impression of him that he is doing any kind of punishment or harsh treatment towards anyone out of getting a sense of accomplishment or satisfaction out of it.
Man, I really wanted to see what Greg has to say about this.
exotic mist
are we discussing dnd alignments
runic terrace
yup!
merry sorrel
considering Ellis' Hades quote, I suppose Hades does consider himself a father who is teaching Zag somewhat?
if anything I believe most of us can agree on the Lawful part of Hades at least
if that's Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral or even Lawful Good depends on where we stand
cosmic crescent
@visual laurel So where is Persephone on your chart
visual laurel
She's not in the game yet, can't really say
No point in theorizing based on what we have
exotic mist
do we even know if she actually wrote that letter
cosmic crescent
I'd say yes. The letter was voiced by a so far by an unique female voice and the latter expressed fondness for cerberus, which has been reiterated by Hades asking Zag to tell Persephone that Cerberus is doing fine.
That seems to be a common variable between two different sources that seems to make the letterlegitimate.
cosmic crescent
Also, regarding Hypnos' allegiance.
Remember that he made everyone fall asleep when Zagreus asked him to do that the night he found persephones letter.
cosmic crescent
He could make a personel request even without not being lawful to his job.
Asking Zag to do that for him does not compromise his work.
Or his ethics towards his work.
exotic mist
does he even have a job? he watched the pool of styx but he does a poor job of it considering hes sleeping all the time
thanatos has expressed disapproval at hypnos for not following orders either
cosmic crescent
The allignment chart does not take in account how good people actually are at doing their jobs.
exotic mist
yes but his allegiance is mainly towards himself
cosmic crescent
It's hard to judge.
cosmic crescent
Maybe Hypnos is lowkey the true villain of the story.
exotic mist
cosmic crescent
I mean
If we look at it from this side, It makes sense.
Zagreus gets all the attention from Nyx and Hades that he wishes to get for himself.
Meg has feelings for Zag while Hypnos has feelings for Meg.
Thanatos, his own brother, shows him more scorn than love.
And who is there to remind you of all your failings whenever you died?
Hypnos.
Maybe the entire thing about the autograph was just a plot
to get you to die again.
Zagreus even starting his suicide spree only started because Hypnos enabled Zagreus being able to find the latter!
Maybe Hypnos placed that letter there in the first place!
exotic mist
i dunno though, full ambrosia he seems to be pretty appreciate of zagreus
appreciative
cosmic crescent
It's all a farce.
exotic mist
ambrosia
cosmic crescent
Also, looking at all the evidence, I figured out who his associate is.
exotic mist
cosmic crescent
The one aiding Hypnos in his nefarious plans
his evil schemes.
There is only one other person in the game who could hold that level of scorn towards Zagreus for everything he does and represents.
THE GUY WHO TAILORS HADES' CAPES!
cosmic crescent
Just think of the scorn of a man
who puts all of his art and craft into every piece of cloth he tailors
only to have it being burned off the shoulders of his most trusted and illustrous customer.
And who is to blame?`A brat of a god who does not value his beloved customer the way he does it.
So he started to allign himself with Hypnos.
Planning the ultimate vengeance on Zagreus.
mint ridge
what if the cape itself is a god? Just pick it up from the pool in the house again
cosmic crescent
Good point. But we have no evidence for that.
upper tartan
Athena is not LG. none of the olympian gods are strictly any one aspect for long. They switch back and forth. Athena was as times horribly vengful. The trojan war, making medusa etc. At other times she was the guardian and protector of athens. All the gods were kind, merciful, evil, vindictive, protectors, evil by turns
cosmic crescent
While I do agree with everything you have said (screw Athena), we have to look at this game in a vacuum.
We don't know if and what about our "RL Mythology" directly translates into the ingame law.
For all we know, in the context of this game, Athena might actually be that one paragon of goodness and justice.
We wouldn't know because we only have what she tells us herself and how others interact with her.
upper tartan
well we see that none of them forgive you for choosing them second in trails of the gods
My take on their personalities
Zues - jovial, friendly
Posedion -boisterous
Dionysus - Friendly, superficial charm
Athena -Arrogant
Ares- Likes killing things, doesn't understand why some think this is bad
Artemis - Obsessed with hunting, doesn't care about anything else. Doesn't get along well with the other gods
Aphrodite - Flirty, superficially so though.
cosmic crescent
I'd say that Ares, Dionysus and Artemis are the only three Olympian Gods who are genuinely interested in Zag and getting him out.
Ares has a real interest in Zagreus because he is a fighter/killer in his eyes whom he'd like to get in touch with out of professional curiosity. He also has some interest in his supposed to be mother Nyx.
Dionysus.....I have a hard time explaining my feelings about him, but his entire behaviour feels the most honest and open, know what I mean? Zeus is putting up his king of the god act, Poseidon doing the same, Athena with her justice and righteousness act
Dionysus is just like "Yo, dawg, come out of here, let's have a good time!"
Very superficial, but honest.
Meanwhile Artemis, I feel like she thinks that she and Zag have something in common because they are not too fond of their respective parts of the family. Wanting someone to relate with and maybe take away some of her self-imposed solitude.
Of course, all that is ignoring that I still think that all the olympians have some kind of ulterior motive in wanting to help Zagreus. Even if said ulterior motive is just getting a kick out of seeing him fail.
exotic mist
i agree with artemis but not sure about ares or dionysus
ares benefits the most from zag being stuck in a loop. when did he express interest in nyx though i dont remember this
dionysus... idk.
cosmic crescent
He did at some point. Pretty sure it was a one-time voiceline though.
hollow garden
My take on Artemis is "socially awkward" lol
But feels like she can relate to Zag enough to help
Which explains why she's so downright rude when you're mean to her in things like trials, she's genuinely hurt instead of just mildly annoyed.
candid bear
“Nice shot zag, that one really hurt. You’re going to pay for that”
Something like that
cosmic crescent
I really dislike the halfgod-bit
candid bear
alectos thing?
exotic mist
aphrodite calls him godling
cosmic crescent
I mean the part where Artemis is like "Why do I even bother with some halfgod"
exotic mist
i mean it is pure bitterness
candid bear
yea well barbs of the master huntress wasn't just talking about her arrows
exotic mist
artemis seems to be the only one who actually cares and isn't manipulating zag
according to chaos
candid bear
Her insults hit home
exotic mist
lmao
cosmic crescent
@exotic mist What do you mean, "according to chaos"
exotic mist
chaos implied that the olympians knew more than they let on, artemis acts legitimately genuine though
i could be misremembering
cosmic crescent
So Chaos did not say anything that lead you to believe that she was the only one not playing you.
That's the crucial part because you made it sound like they have.
exotic mist
ah
chaos has yet to address any specific gods
no, i was drawing a conclusion based on artemis' dialogues and chaos' line
cosmic crescent
Okay, so I was notified the oither day that I should make an honest to god effort out of actually refering to Chaos as "they" instead of him or her because political mythology correctness.
Does that mean that I should say "Chaos have said that" instead of "Chaos has said that"?
atomic forge
No, that's tense.
somber gull
“Has” is correct!
atomic forge
"They" is singular when referring to someone nonbinary.
cosmic crescent
I swear to godzilla, this is going to break my brain.
somber gull
It’s confusing at first but you’ll pick up on it quickly in sure
cosmic crescent
I should just start introducing myself as many myself. Technicly, I have some billion bacteria in my body, so I would not even be incorrect about it.
It is decided.
From now on, we will address ourselves as many.
bleak osprey
dude.
candid bear
All of my cells send you my greetings
cosmic crescent
What about that part was disrespectful? We don't understand.
candid bear
My issue is that I use they interchangeably with he/she got everyone because I hate using the same word repeatedly
upper tartan
the christian god has no gender either but we regurlary call him, him. Choas has no real gender either but call him, her, it whatever you want. It is probably perfect because its not a person and was regularly regarded as a thing as well.
The 'they' drives me nuts because they is plural. I read a fantasy book with three genders and the third gender used they. However reading the book it often became confusing when three people are in a scene together and 'they went to look'. Did all three of them go look or did the third gender character look.
atomic forge
Yahweh is generally regarded as male.
This is also not the channel for this discussion, I don't think.
upper tartan
why not? Does choas ever use they or get refered to as they in the game. I cant recall
When nyx talks about choas I guess
solar depot
@upper tartan i certainly take your point, but at least in this context we're talking about chaos as they are in this particular iteration!
atomic forge
90% sure Chaos is referred to in-game with "they".
solar depot
which is to say yes, they are referred to exclusively as "they"
schpoon is too fast for me...
atomic forge
Yeah, I have trouble getting second dates. 
I'm just kidding, I don't get the first date at all. 
Anyway, Chaos is non-binary, easy to remember "they".
upper tartan
@atomic forge I 'll leave it if its becoming to serious a conversation for this thread but yahweh despite being referred to with masculine pronouns is regarded as non-gendered. Its a tenant of Judaism and Catholicism.
Ofcourse zagrues has actually met Choas so they can tell us how to refer to them
violet hull
I think Chaos doesn't actually specify, themself. Zagreus probably heard their gender from Nyx as a child.
Iirc he learned a bunch of the myths from Nyx
frozen jolt
nah, zagreus did not know chaos before the events of the game
violet hull
Ohh
frozen jolt
the first time you see them in the game is the first time zag even hears about them basically
and then nyx explains to zag when youre back at the house that chaos is both their father and their mother, and refers to them as "they". i dont have a screenshot of it though, so my wording might be off bc im going off memory
exotic mist
singular they has actually existed for many years since shakespearean literature
somber gull
For sure! This is just the in-game context for Chaos
exotic mist
sorry im a bit woozy rn is my comment a non sequitur
somber gull
aha kk
exotic mist
i was addressing fenrex
upper tartan
has it? what was its use. I still find it confusing in text.
somber gull
good discussion but let's move to #off-topic-discussion for now!
chilly shard
So uh do you have to fight thr minotuat and thr heros of athens at once?
onyx spoke
yes
candid bear
Yea
chilly shard
how that fight seems crazy hard
onyx spoke
just focus on one at a time
if you get the minotaur miniboss, it'll decrease his health for the true fight
atomic forge
Weeell, the miniboss fight can also knock out all of your DDs if you get unlucky with gorgons.
exotic mist
god i hate the fake dusas
atomic forge
Two Spent Spirit offers in a row, but no Deadly Reversal. Uh huh.
visual laurel
If you're feeling confident in your build but you're worried about T&M, you can take the miniboss fight to hopefully make it easier on yourself later
Athena boons on something are almost necessary for dealing with the gorgons
They'll help you with the Minotaur too
upper tartan
The gorgons are not a problem? They die fast and only shoot one projectile
orchid panther
in addition, I find that if you literally ignore T to kill A in the fight you don't have nearly as much to focus on, just need to watch a little on your player model for his spear throw
Asterius is also very nice about having only a twice his axe-length range, so if you arent hard melee you have time to dodge
exotic mist
yeah if you bring theseus to his god summoning phase while asterius is still around its not fun
exotic mist
im probably really late with this realization but asphodel is probably supposed to look more grassy and less like hell because they're called the asphodel meadows and zag has a memory of hades saying asphodel has flooded with flame again
somber gull
yes, right on the marker haha
exotic mist
any indication of what the cause is? or is that plot noises
somber gull
the idea is that it's part of the many things that Hades is not dealing with in his realm as he tries to deal with Zagreus
exotic mist
ah
somber gull
he tries to backhandedly blame all this on Zag as well
exotic mist
wait but if the memories are from when zag was a child (presumably) what else was hades occupied with
somber gull
thaaaat's the thing
exotic mist
persephone?
somber gull
well, likely, but more that his excuse "I'm always so busy with work why won't you help" is a lot more shallow than it seems
visual laurel
Hades also says, if I recall, that Asphodel has flooded "again, this time with flame" so uh
somber gull
^true, forgot that
exotic mist
oh right
somber gull
it's a meadow on the bank of a river, I believe it haha
somber gull
he double parked it
visual laurel
cerberus is taking a bath
i guess asphodel can't only be bounded by the phlegethon if it's flooded with non-lava before
the styx?? probably separates it from tartarus
somber gull
the phleg flooded it before but this time its angry
visual laurel
ghsjshsjf
the phlegethon used to be the river of petroleum and then someone dropped a match
somber gull
Zag went for a swim one (1) time and it hasn't been the same since
exotic mist
hmm is there a place where i can post images.
visual laurel
You can upload to imgur and then share the imgur link!
exotic mist
anyway, @visual laurel hades doesn't say "this time" for asphodel flooding with flame it might just be a regular thing
visual laurel
Oh does he not? Dang, that's on me
exotic mist
nah its ok
visual laurel
He does say "again" tho right
upper tartan
how do i get hypnos his singature? I have maxed his ambrosia but still nothing?
hollow garden
Dying to Asterius I think?
visual laurel
A combination of dying several times to Asterius in single combat, and dying to both Theseus and Asterius a number of times in the boss battle.
Just, lose a lot, you'll get there eventually.
atomic forge
You're always so positive.
hollow garden
Explains why I haven't gotten it yet, I don't lose :kappa:
visual laurel
Once you stand still long enough for Asterius to actually hit you, you really gain a new appreciation for his DPS. 
hollow garden
Just run for your life and don't stand still 4head
atomic forge
I once got caught in the full path of a leap and ate 40 damage for it before he even touched the ground.
I think pre-nerf Hades is the only thing that hit harder.
hollow garden
Everyone knows the superior strategy to playing Hades is to rapidly press the space bar without a clue of what you're doing
:p
atomic forge
Rapidly pressing the space bar, yes.
But if you rapidly press it at the wrong time, you eat 50+ damage.
hollow garden
Hades simulator 2019 "press the space bar until your keyboard breaks or you eat a 120 damage attack"
atomic forge
Stand in front of charmed Asterius on 500% VT. 
hollow garden
Could actually likely beat a run with just dashing by setting up Vengeful Mood
atomic forge
Is Merciful End with Divine Dash allowed?
atomic forge
Well, now I want to set this up as a challenge run.
hollow garden
"Do No Harm"
atomic forge
No active boons, nothing that requires Attack, Special, or Cast (so no Fully Loaded), start with full Epic suite of Vengeful Mood, allow any Dash.
hollow garden
Custom Run When
atomic forge
I want iiiiiiiit.
hollow garden
ikr
atomic forge
"Spears?"
onyx spoke
zeus just trying to be a nice big brother to hades makes me sad
upper vigil
i don't know if he's a nice big brother, or an overly nosy big brother who always has opinions about how you should live your life
reminds me of mine 🤔
-- also, mythologically, zeus is actually the youngest
onyx spoke
young brother then
zeus seems to mean well
exotic mist
does he though
onyx spoke
I mean
he's not malicious
he genuinely wants hades to talk to him
drifting citrus
i'm cautious to place any sort of sincerity to zeus's name
exotic mist
zeus did kinda screw everyone overrrrr
runic terrace
hes being generous etc in the moment but hes not, mmmm, someone zag should be unguarded around yknow imo
upper vigil
zeus is your very conditionally generous relative
runic terrace
YEAH
upper vigil
relative that's fun and easy to get along with as long as you accept their nosy input and live your life in a way they approve of
runic terrace
YEAH
drifting citrus
also the relative that has a lot of children
exotic mist
not a lot of them were consensual either so
onyx spoke
none of the other olympians are exactly the pinnacle of morality either
exotic mist
fair
runic terrace
in zags case, anyway, i really think he has to watch out
drifting citrus
i mean,,, athena
runic terrace
like. hes going to want his help or loyalty in return or something
exotic mist
hestias like the only pure one
runic terrace
all of them tbh
onyx spoke
hermes acting like a real bro until he hands you a knife and points you at dionysus
runic terrace
WHAT
exotic mist
if im understanding it correctly
runic terrace
jnbjmgvjhgvjmgvjk hes competitive enough ingame i believe u but. what myth is this
exotic mist
dio is sometimes a god of actual death and hermes guides the dead
how did wine bro become death idk
drifting citrus
i feel like hermes is quick enough to just stab dio himself
onyx spoke
oh no it's not a myth I was just randomly saying names
exotic mist
oh
drifting citrus
it was more like death became wine bro i think
exotic mist
yeah
but the two dont even correlate so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
death by long term liver failure
boom
runic terrace
hermes stabs dio and dio starts squirting blood like AAGH AGH and then hes like jk jk and its grape juice and hermes stabbed a grape dio was holding
upper vigil
they set it up together
runic terrace
YEAH
upper vigil
it was a prank
runic terrace
it was to scare zag
upper vigil
exactly
atomic forge
You're scaring me.
drifting citrus
first ever hermes duo boon
exotic mist
drifting citrus
it's just grape juice
runic terrace
hermes and dio: today we will scare schpoonman
upper vigil
i really like artemis and athena..............those are the only two i won't ever chose against in trial of the gods so i don't contradict that for myself 😔
atomic forge
Nah, Lightweight, like it only takes a sip to get you buzzed.
upper vigil
i know they have ulterior motives but i don't want to Believe it
atomic forge
poison stacks apply twice
upper vigil
oh yeah i mean they'll also murder you both of them
exotic mist
ok but shes like an actual sniper that one shots you
drifting citrus
👀
runic terrace
tbh tbh the way orpheus dies as i understand it...dios parties have a lot of casualties
upper vigil
athena is bad, dio is also really bad too in trial rooms
atomic forge
Nah, Athena is still the toughest.
onyx spoke
dio is pain
exotic mist
athenas not that hard for me hmm
atomic forge
Dionysus is only really bad if your range is super low.
runic terrace
i love thinking abt thanny as a like disgruntled janitor at dioparties like ok everyone who partied to death come w me
atomic forge
"Thanny"
drifting citrus
athena is not necessarily tough but def most annoying
runic terrace
yeah,,,,
atomic forge
Just imagine him halfway to a drink and he's just pouring in his lap staring at you.
exotic mist
artemis and dio are prolly the most deadly in getting rid of death defiances
atomic forge
Athena>Ares=Dio>Artemis>Poseidon>Zeus>Aphrodite
exotic mist
aph looks confusing but half the time walking just avoids it
atomic forge
Order of difficulty for Trials.
exotic mist
imo artemis > dio > ares > poseidon > zeus > athena > aphrodite
poseidons speed boost always catches me off guard
drifting citrus
new death screen: zag just gets fricking drunk off a farmer's wine cupboard
atomic forge
Which is why I put him above Aphrodite.
exotic mist
and they just yeet zags poor body 
runic terrace
hfvhgfhjfjh imagine hermes trial. theres no one to pick against hes just like IM RUDE NOW >:3
atomic forge
Yeah, okay.
visual laurel
Hermes doesn't get trials because nobody knows he's there 
drifting citrus
:hermespensive: when
upper vigil
hermes trial where it's just a solo speed test
exotic mist
lambent plume volume 2
runic terrace
2 fast 2 plumious
upper vigil
nothing bad happens if you lose it's just what always happens to me in than rooms where i lose half my health trying to beat him
visual laurel
if Thanatos really wanted me not to get hurt, he'd stop showing up all the time gkdfjgf
runic terrace
JGJGJ YES
upper vigil
if thanatos wanted me not to get hurt he'd smuggle me out or something damn
runic terrace
lollll
drifting citrus
it's hard not to die when you make it a competition
upper vigil
showing up and challenging me to a tough guy contest isn't it
runic terrace
hes a than of contradictions
exotic mist
why cant thanatos just show up and seduce me 😔
visual laurel
than: you're reckless, but quick.
zag, down by two death defies, barely standing upright: i won and that's what counts,
exotic mist
have a centaur's heart
also are we just glossing over the fact that there are bunch of preserved centaur's' heart
why does than have them
drifting citrus
there are a lot of centuars
runic terrace
are there even any centaurs left..
upper vigil
thanatos puts a bandaid on you for 25hp
runic terrace
jnbvhnghjgjh
upper vigil
i got the feeling they were like, mythical/figurative
exotic mist
hm
upper vigil
like, congealed darkness or something
runic terrace
it has a lil eye on it like his scythe
drifting citrus
his scythe is made of centaurs
upper vigil
a+ stocking stuffer
-- the bandaids i mean, not the centaur scythe
i don't think that'd fit in a stocking
exotic mist
not with that attitude
runic terrace
atomic forge
Speak of the devil.
upper vigil
NICE
runic terrace
gcgfdghdhg oh to go into a local store n see these on the shelves
so i could PUNCH THEM OFF DRAMATICALLY and then buy them gdghdghdgh
I WIN, THANNY, also im going to buy all of them
visual laurel
they work. - thanatos
upper tartan
thanatos drives me nuts, especially if he shows up late, like in elysium. Some builds can beat him, other builds can be powerfull but just not have the speed to take him on, especially if the enemies are super armored, high health. If its an army of meow chariots its not a problem.
sinful peak
What if Than’s pulse didn’t go off every X seconds, but instead applied a curse to every separate enemy with time until death based on their effective HP (armor+health)
Would make meow chariots Thanatos more challenging and armored champions fairish
atomic forge
Skelly shouts at you if you attack the statues. It's great.
wooden abyss
Statues are basically relics
merry sorrel
where do dead statues go though
candid bear
Ok so I posted something that’s extremely important to me in the feedback section and I would like to discuss it a bit here
Supergiant is known for their amazing stories, and from the looks of it, hades will be no exception. However, there is a potential issue with how people who have played rouge like games before will experience it.
Currently, it is highly likely that someone who has played and enjoyed rouge likes in the past (or anyone who is very good at games in general) will beat hades before they even reach 10 runs
This completely destroys the story experience for them, because they win before they even see the Persephone cutscene
The game completely spoiled itself for them, and they are effectively being punished for being good at the game
For anyone who wants proof of this, watch episode 4 of retromations hades series
He got hades down to around a quarter hp on the second phase with very few mirror upgrades and an average build on a weapon he had never used before
Before you take a stance on this, imagine if your favorite supergiant moment had been spoiled for you by someone
I understand that there may be concerns about difficulty accessibility, but currently hades has one of the lowest average runs to complete of any rouge-like game I’ve ever played
frozen jolt
nah, I agree with you
With even first run completions being technically possible, if difficult, it makes things... kinda awkward
(Maybe that way, even players who play when EA is complete will get to experience the “renovations” haha)
candid bear
It’s s fear I’ve had for a long time, but I always dismissed it because I have so much time in the beta I thought my perception of the difficulty was way off
When retro made it to Cerberus and zag said “ok boy move aside, I need to get through, you understand why I need to go find my mother, don’t you?” There was audible confusion in retros commentary
frozen jolt
Dang
candid bear
I was rooting for hades the whole fight lol
frozen jolt
I guess as long as you don’t get the hades dialogue, the cerb and the flashback ones will work in either order
Or, hmm, not really
it does spoil the twist but it doesn’t name her
candid bear
Another moment was when he got to meg on his third run or so, and she said something along the lines of “Why do you even bother, you’ve seen what it’s like beyond here, if I don’t stop you, asphodel will.” On his second run he died halfway through elys
frozen jolt
with the addition of new biomes, the older ones got a little less difficult
shorter too
I do like how it is now because I don’t want the runs to be long and tedious each, I like to be able to do a run in one sitting and not be completely exhausted
candid bear
Oh yea you’re right, I didn’t even consider the shorter length
frozen jolt
(They take me a long time bc I’m a more casual gamer)
candid bear
L it’s all good
frozen jolt
but it does create the problem of balancing it with the story
candid bear
My first clear of sots the pit was after I had played the game for over 100 h
It was on easy
It’s odd, normally games will pad out the story to fit more gameplay
Hades needs to pad out the gameplay to fit more story
frozen jolt
if new players who haven’t been there since the beginning and have experienced it “episodically” with the updates can almost clear the game before hearing the very first plot event that is basically the most important story thing in the game.. then yeah, it’s a problem that needs to be fixed somehow
but I’m sure that this is only a problem because the game isn’t finished yet. I don’t doubt it’ll be fixed before the game is out of ea
lol ichoren im too tired to understand what you mean I’m sorry
candid bear
Most games will have a point where you do something seemingly irrelevant to the main story (see kingdom hearts 3 Disney worlds) to make the game longer
Or monster hunter pink boi
orchid panther
I think it could be an issue if the situation you're talking about is prevalent, but they could also take the approach they had where you can't progress past a certain point (like when areas weren't made yet) before a certain amount of runs, though that also sounds bad even when I just suggested it
frozen jolt
oh, I think I get it now. Thanks! I had to reread that a couple of times
well... does it? The other furies only appear after a certain amount of runs.
candid bear
I have a potential solution but I think it’s inferior to just adjusting the difficulty, and I want to see what people think of this one first
frozen jolt
same with thanatos, iirc
candid bear
Yep deff on than
frozen jolt
somewhere in the 20s
runic terrace
whats your other solution?
candid bear
Have a “suggested heat” mode
Where the game detects how far you are making it and suggests a balanced heat load out to compensate
runic terrace
i very much see your problem but also i know for myself, if the game were any harder i wouldn't be able to play it at all 😔
huh!!
frozen jolt
so if it could be integrated into the plot or the world somehow like the pact was, I think simply gating progress by the number of runs is a fine solution
runic terrace
maybe another route is make the game harder overall but a pact of....easier?
so you could tone it down from a baseline increased difficulty
candid bear
Pact of easier is actually a great idea, but it would need to be different from the mirror
candid bear
Pact of easier could give you - heat, allowing you to mix punishment and easier options to make a neutral (0 net heat) run with different parameters then normal
candid bear
Lol
runic terrace
if u had that option i think an increase in base difficulty would be fine tbh
candid bear
I think I’m going to make a google doc at some point to iron out the idea and suggest it, thanks for the feedback frens
runic terrace
🙌
frozen jolt
I guess I also don’t want the game to be much harder and I don’t really want to mess with difficulty options (like heat or or the hypothetical un-heat), but I do think there should be something that prevents you from missing pivotal story points because of having good boon luck and the right mirror upgrades very early on, yknow?
just felt the need to summarize my opinion fsr lol
candid bear
All good, I get you
Personally I think it would feel more weird if there was artificial roadblock at the end of biomes
orchid panther
I think all these ideas together have the beginnings of something that SGG as a team would appreciate hearing, and like we've said, there are things that unlock as you do runs, so if it's in the name of not ruining the story experience I think they would find a way to work it.
candid bear
The binding of Isaac does this and it always felt weird
orchid panther
ah yes
I was thinking Isaac earlier but I couldn't remember how hard the gating was
orchid panther
sounds right
in the case of Hades, for the players who were struggling to get there, it wouldn't be a hard buffer to reach and it would let them improve at their own pace, and for the better players it likely wouldn't take too long to get through them, judging by how insanely talented some of the folks around here are
candid bear
Well that’s part of the issue, it only extends the run count by 1-3 ish
If retro was blocked at the end of every run, it would have taken him about 6
First he died to meg
Then Minotaur
Then spear exalted
WAIT
It was his fourth run, not his fifth
No wait I’m dumb, he died to meg twice
frosty fable
Where does "Last Words" actually play, anyway? I love it but I don't think I've heard it in-game yet
visual laurel
It's Thanatos' encounter music now!
dusk plume
Will Zagreus ever meet his uncles and cousins in the next update?
Or his true fathe- cough
onyx spoke
what
violet hull
I doubt it
That sounds like the end of the story, which is coming next year
They're gonna be refining the core game first
The big thing coming next update is an overhaul to the resource systems / economy, and I conjecture that December's update will involve the last weapon.
We're also getting a new NPC next update, which I suspect will be an Asphodel analogue to Sisyphus / Patroclus.
Considering that it's a very barren part of the game atm
atomic forge
that makes logical sense
harsh sleet
👀 kissing than update pls
rapid zinc
A Date With Death
violet hull
Yesss
stone aurora
hollow garden
Oh my god that meme is perfect for pre nerf hades
strange cipher
Um. Excuse me? https://imgur.com/2oTDrUS
merry sorrel
The mom voice maybe??
strange cipher
I was thinking more, at least we know for sure to expect her on the soundtrack.
runic terrace
👀
bleak osprey
ashley's not persephone!
faint socket
visual laurel
That Ashley's not the voice from the letter? Yeah the voice credit is already in the game
visual laurel
runic terrace
:000
that said when ashley sings she usually gets somebody else 2 be the speaking voice so 👀
merry sorrel
So she still could be Persephone singing voice?
I’m also better on Ashley becoming Hestia’s voice
runic terrace
im still hoping for euridice 😩 🙏
onyx spoke
I don't think Ashley has ever actually done the voice acting for one of the games, just the vocals
candid bear
Dosent she sing backup in lament of Orpheus
Yep
Can confirm
Listen closely with headphones
runic terrace
rly? in concerts i know she does but i thought the soundtrack was all darren
candid bear
Try it
faint socket
are you talking about the humming?
runic terrace
i really think its just darren....
faint socket
yeah same
runic terrace
he has the range 😩 💯 🎵
faint socket
also narratively idk if it would make sense for ashley to be in this song if he’s realistically just sitting in the house playing this by himself?
runic terrace
i mean underworld mix is up for grabs bc its not actually in game right
faint socket
🤔
onyx spoke
I think underworld mix has the exact same vocals though
green nova
candid bear
Not the humming
strange cipher
@runic terrace @onyx spoke I can't speak for Pyre, but does she not voice Zia and Red?
Zia's lines sound exactly like Ashley, and also kind of don't sound like a professional voice actor, no offense intended.
And Red is literally just the word, "Hey."
tired orchid
@green nova missing Hera, Apollo, and 2 others I think
And 1 other *
Demeter
So if she plays any god, itll probably be Hera since Apollo and Demeter are both males if I remember correctly
And hephaestus
strange cipher
Y'all might be right. IMDb credits Kristin Wilson as each of Ashley's characters.
merry sorrel
Male in gender does not have to mean masculine voice
tired orchid
Yes, but itd make more sense for her voice to be on a more feminine character, which Hera is.
zealous flower
Persephone is already credited, also, Ashley isn't a VA. She never voiced Celeste in Pyre but sang all of her songs. I would say it's confirmed that she is on the soundtrack.
shy nimbus
Oh man, the characters discussions were lit. I love discussing/building more story out of this game.
Like, I just cannot make sense how T&A can be sharing a whole stadium together in Elysium, while Achilles and Patroclus have to stay separated away from each other?!
It just does not make sense to me, especially when the minotaur once told how Theseus specifically "rescued" him to Elysium himself!??? So what kind of Homophobic Agendas the Fates are running here!
Also, I think the next NPC could be Hephaestus, since he could be the one who caused the flooding in Asphodel Meadows. He could have dropped his forges' fires down to that meadows and caused all the lava eruptions or sh.
Some tales did state that his workshop is under a volcano.
Or the NPC could be another Tartarus inmate. There should be plenty of them in Tartarus anyway. I'm surprised that all the Titans were all chopped down to pieces instead of being imprisoned in this game. #Dark!
round canyon
atomic forge
I love when Theseus talks yang about Zag's teacher, because you KNOW he'd be sputtering like a buffoon if he knew.
atomic forge
He doesn't buy it at first, of course, it's Theseus, but when you show up next time with the Myrmidon Bracer...
somber gull
“Can you... get his autograph for me...?”
lunar kiln
wrong, theseus trained alongside his brother-in-arms and kindred spirit asterius
they sparred together for days on end to become stronger together both physically and spiritually,
atomic forge
"Who taught you such sloppy technique!?" "...The greatest of the Greeks?" Theseus' spear smacks him in the face when he calls it back
runic terrace
omg
atomic forge
@runic terrace Aphrodite is an anime fan, that's why she put Serious Punch on her Greater Call.
Oh, those are puppies in your name. I thought it was two Shy Guys doing the Scream.
runic terrace
of course she would be........shes an anime fan, ares is an anime fan, artemis is a secret anime fan but she cant let either of them know bc theyll hound her with recs of stuff she doesnt want to watch
omg no theyre puppies
atomic forge
Aphrodite doesn't watch anything except really cutesy stuff, Ares always has Battle Royale playing on something and rotates between Berserk, Elfen Lied, and Claymore otherwise, Artemis wants one show where the Power of Friendship doesn't Deus Ex Machina its way through the plot.
She likes the "realism" present in Ares' stuff but could do without all the gratuitous violence and gore.
runic terrace
hermes knows anime exclusively as "the girls in the background of nightcore videos"
atomic forge
He dances better than all of them.
upper vigil
..............kam i know you've already done a sgg caramelldansen but hermes caramelldansen
runic terrace
atomic forge
Oh no.
runic terrace
yessss....maybe one day or someone else can pick up the challamge
what do you mean oh no....caramelldansen is great
anyway besides hermes is clearly GET DOWN YURERU MAWARU FURERU-
visual laurel
chthonic kidz in that one pmmm video set to ievan polka
digital crag
atomic forge
Contextless Discord quotes.
runic terrace
cthonic kidz bop
candid bear
slam dancers
visual laurel
yes jan that's the one i was thinking of and yes zag absolutely is the one with the gun
frosty fable
Made it to Hades for the second time ever... this set of boons was really fun, too (mainly aphrodite + upgraded epic blight flourish + low tolerance, with privileged status = holy COW. also chaos came through for me right off the bat with a 20% rare boon boost)
I lost, because well... the only other time I've made it to him the game crashed and I had no idea what to expect besides "get my arse kicked, probably"
but I got him to phase 2!
... on like my last hit point, so I didn't actually get to SEE phase 2 lmao
runic terrace
nice!!! thats really far 👏
frosty fable
and this makes 23 runs (not counting the... 20 or so before i started over a while back, sigh) so I might actually get to meet Than this century :P
visual laurel
👏
sinful peak
Don’t worry, everyone meets Than eventually
candid bear
Was that intended to be as morbid as it was?
frosty fable
I mean...
covert shadow
Probably
hardy socket
Is hades coming to the switch
onyx spoke
something something "maybe"
somber gull
Hades is in early development right now, the devs will look into potentially shipping on other platforms once it’s finished!
tall ingot
The good side it that many many people ask about that :)
wary nebula
I finally beat the final boss for the first time
candid bear
Congrats
atomic forge
"tell her cerberus is doing very well"
Tearjerker of a line huh?
atomic forge
"Beetle?" "Again!?"
somber gull
@compact verge hey jsyk you don’t have to spoiler tag feedback!
compact verge
I want to tho
hollow garden
(it does make it a bit easier for the devs to read quickly if you don't but I doubt that's really important, if it was they would have told us :p)
compact verge
||you cant stop me||
hollow garden
You're right I can't :kappa:
night quest
tired orchid
@night quest ||not yet||
frank glade
That's a new Sysiphus portrait, right?
bright void
Eurydice and Sysiphus?
frank glade
Either that or Apollo, judging from the cetra
bright void
I really want Apollo
Like, i would be legitimately upset if Apollo didn't ship with retail
frank glade
So do I, honestly
bright void
I think the duo boon of Artemis & Apollo, or their banter during Trial of the gods if you have to choose one or the other writes itself
stark tulip
OH ITS GONNA BE MY BOY
atomic forge
Who's your boy?
candid bear
Persephone
stark tulip
i assumed orpheus but I could see apollo
candid bear
Deflects
tired orchid
Apollo has been recognized as a god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, the Sun and light, poetry,
feral hamlet
It's Erato guys
tired orchid
Apollo makes sense
feral hamlet
or Appolo but the hair reminds me more a girl
tired orchid
I think there's 2 people
candid bear
The only evidence we have for Apollo is harp
feral hamlet
^
" La lyre est l'attribut d'Hermès, son inventeur, d'Apollon musagète, d'Orphée, d'Érato, muse de la poésie lyrique et par extension du poète lyrique. La lyre est aussi en général en France un symbole de la chanson et la poésie. "
candid bear
Let’s not jump to conclusions too fast
feral hamlet
Hermes, Appollo, Orpheus or Erato
tired orchid
I'm not saying it's 100% Apollo, but he makes sense. It adds another Boon, helps introduce other characters down the line, and adds story development with Artemis
Hermes is already in the game what
candid bear
You calling me a lyre now!
feral hamlet
Hey !
frank glade
Yeah that's definitely not a classical harp
stark tulip
AYYYY
feral hamlet
it could be Orpheus wife !
stark tulip
eurydice
stark tulip
👍
candid bear
Orpheus wife is her technical term
bright void
It's his muse, not his wife?
feral hamlet
same
candid bear
Those things got mixed up in myth to right
stark tulip
i think the story goes that when they were married the priest was like "nah fam shes gonna die soon" but he didn't believe the priest then she did
feral hamlet
that looks like a feminin silhouette isn't it ?
cunning burrow
https://i.imgur.com/v5bk2pR.png my pro interpretation of what's going on here
bright void
Eurydice was a wood nymph, and Orpheus has a lyre
stark tulip
and he was like "gotta go get her"
bleak osprey
..........................mae is that you
candid bear
Mae?
feral hamlet
Maia
candid bear
Oh, you mean fae
feral hamlet
one oh the pleiades
cunning burrow
need me that canopy afro
frozen jolt
(Mae is a character from pyre!)
bright void
In this famous painting, that's his lyre,. and you can see a lyre in this silloute spoiler
stark tulip
shes all grown up!!! and in hell
bright void
He is proibably just getting a new model
frozen jolt
nooope :]
candid bear
Hades: the big harp update
feral hamlet
lmao
stark tulip
ooh selene would be fun
candid bear
Or Hades: harps and harpies
candid bear
Harps hippies and harpies
feral hamlet
It can't be Appollo, as far as i know there would not be more Olympians
candid bear
It can still be Apollo, there was no confirmed max
feral hamlet
actually
no but yes
'cuz of the road map
no more olympians until noone knows
My only hope is that Charon and Nyx get real models
or al least, I can accept Nyx current model, as she is the night
bright void
I think they said "at least 1 more olympian" before hermes
But it didn't say "at most". so there is still hope for Sun Boy
atomic forge
I'd bet Charon is gonna keep a hooded portrait/model, but I hope Nyx does, too.
hollow garden
Charon the boomer?
candid bear
Imma stop you right there
hollow garden
LUL
feral hamlet
So
hollow garden
Never have I made a comment that caused such controversy :kappa:
bleak osprey
i would be amazed if it was selene, jsut because we already have artemis and the two are often combined
to the point where artemis's design in the game has moons in it
feral hamlet
to me is 101% confirmed that we will have a new model for buddy orpheus AND a new NPC Eurydice because the road map says only one new NPC
and one the picture
there is
two npc
soooooo
And yeah @bleak osprey totally agreed
stark tulip
I think the only people we're missing art for in the game are orpheus and sisyphus right