#h1-story-discussion
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Mr U_U
ezo im imagining you saying this in fromnt of a badly done greenscreen
mr. zonebone
A badly done greenscreen and a powerpoint that'
okay heightmap is not very ambient though
s just me making my shrine for Than and crying
it gets intense
yes
i don't want to be examining a gyroscope display when the drums kick in and i guess i have to battle 50 cluckers now
still going
impossible is the best instrumental track
ughhh there is no way in hell i can pick a single favorite of those
sorry i swerved to transistor gkjdfgdf
oh right we're in hades
oops
THAT'S MY FAULT
๐ค ๐ค
it's still gotta be jammin' bc we're gonna be fighting things.....theoretically
the pleasant elevator music turns into electric guitar the second zag sets foot in elysium
elysium becomes a dance off
gkjdghdfjg a ripple goes out as every warrior in elysium gets a, like, alert on their ancient greek cell phones
"alert. alert. my awful son"
speaking of which. is zag gonna be meeting ppl in elysium for the first time
yeah
he's never been there idt
the implication is that he was always limited to tartarus
he has pre-established relationships with everyone in hell so far except alecto and tisi i guess
yeah but he never met alecto and tisiphone explicitly bc they don't stay in the house
and he didn't even meet meg until his dad...."introduced" them
how is this going to work with zag "hi i've only met you for twenty minutes please accept a dozen ambrosias"
i'd say zag would be upset about fighting real people but, i don't think he would be, really gkfjgdf
he's also clearly ignorant of a lot of mythology/storytelling
he doesn't seem to know anything about the trojan war outside of what little achilles has told him
so like even if he met...odysseus or something he probably wouldn't have even heard of the dude before
clearly he doesn't consider what he's doing murder
to be fair
they're already dead.
mystery elbow be odysseus when
I dignified Odyssues w too many essays in high school
Yooooooooo... that's not a bad guess tbh
i'm okay with a dr seuss
Black Odysseus could work
i want him to tell zag about his wife incessantly
His wife on whom he regularly cheats
sometimes odysseus is described as dark skinned
imo sgg can play as fast and loose with skin colors as they want
you know what, i will not say things without the source to back it up
i'm not gonna be like that
I think that was around the time my best friend lost his eye and I fell into a Great Depression so if I'm not up on the facts
i will go Find A Source
like, they're gods, they can be whatever color they wanna be. it's been nice to see a decent spread so far
unrelated but emily wilson is doing an illiad translation and i'm pumped for when it's gonna be available in like..... five years
Yeah I like that they're being experimental
did i post my list here or was that in dm's
i think it was in dm's
hold on
ah yes
answer i would accept: it's ajax/hercules/perseus idk
fun answer: it's agamemnon or theseus and they're only there to get their asses kicked```
I'm into Odysseus
That's gotta be my vote
And like the dark cold colours, the gold
V regal
yeah i thought the uhhh the gold read kingly to me
But not like too king-like and fancy just chill king
can't tell if the skirt is a battle skirt or a chiton
Like warrior king but not 'I need to wear armour' warrior king
like i read it as markers of high status BUT it is elysium so like maybe everybody in elysium looks fancy, who knows
odysseus could be interesting since it'd be fun to slap the 'pious prophet who's lost connection to their god and is sad about it' thing onto a big scary warrior
i used to be athena's fave but now she never calls me anymore
zag: "oh i talked to her like half an hour ago"
One time I saw a bird and I swore it was Zeus but there are no birds in Hell so wtf am I meant to do now
zag: "or, well, she talked to me,"
i'm still laughing at homer like "how do i show odysseus is smart. ah yes. have him be a match for freaking AJAX by kicking him in the knee. this is peak tactics"
"clearly kicking a literal mountain of a man in the knee in a wrestling match puts your brains on the same level as his brawn"
Unrelated but do yall think we'll ever see Iris in here?
Or is she just gunna be an invisible telephone
i kinda doubt it personally
literally anyone trying to write a character smarter than they are though
i mean yeah, it's a struggle
I kinda just wanna see Jen do... Everyone
She really is the best artist in the industry
peak odysseus smarts tm:
hmm how will we be able to find a boy disguised as a girl in a whole crowd of girls, i know, get me a box of barbies and a hot wheels
KJGDHFKGJFD YEAH
oh and the daedalus myth
only the smartest man in the world can figure out this devious puzzle of putting a string through a shell, if someone solves it it must be daedalus
that's some glass slipper nonsense right there
apparently he's not smart enough to figure out that when soldiers are marching around randomly offering people puzzles that means the king is looking for him and he should just play dumb
plenty of very smart people have no common sense gkjdfgd
also half the fun of having characters like odysseus who are kind of overconfident of their own intelligence is knocking them down a peg
still laughing at that one probably made up account where neoptolemus kicks him out of ithaca
my sheep rock now
zag: "oh my mentor is achilles"
odysseus: "achilles, huh? hey i know i told him before that his brat did well but i take it back"
zag: "......achilles has a kid, what"
ancient greek myth sex ed: understand that having kids is a big responsibility! don't have kids until you're prepared to be accidentally killed by your own son in an ironic twist of fate
i'm waiting for the inevitable achilles and apollo interactions
god can he be still mad after however many hundreds of years
I DON'T KNOW BUT I WANT TO FIND OUT
also just in general that zag doesn't know how achilles died so that's a blank to be filled in
also also the fact that apollo also killed patroclus
~spoilers for the iliad~
IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF MILLENNIA
Apollo killed his own damn bfs too
hey at least a chunk of those were accidents
Apollo actually struggles w internalized homophobia Achilles you can't be mad at him U_U
apollo is just very unfortunate in the bf department
remember the time he got sent to earth as a punishment and immediately fell in love with a local king
Greg give Zagreus All The Boyfriends
and he just spent his entire like, "punishment" flirting and being domestic
and his relatives on olympus were like
"dude gross what are you doing"
Wait hold on would Apollo be related to Zagreus
yes
i have like a dozen translations of the odyssey open to check a claim
too bad i don't know greek
I could be wrong, I'm not a mod after all 
rip jan
OH RIP
it's A NAME
YEAH THAT WAS IT
its the f slur in someones name
AAAAAAA
sorry robert
jmbgjgjkgk
frobert
murray: he grew dark of color
wilson: he became tanned
pope: Youth flush'd his reddening cheek
butler: she gave him back his colour
johnston: His skin grew dark once more
merrill: Dark once more was his skin```
there's so many odysseys
greg was allowed to say robert in the ama
greg has supergiant powers of exemption
and in quotes of the patch
oh lmao i bet you had to disable proxy for supergiants that would be hilarious
proxy
supergiant for posting patch notes
Yaaaaaaaaaaas dark Odysseus let's get that bread
odysseus unacquainted with sunburn meanwhile achilles being the delicate lily he is would burn to a crisp if not for the god blood
I'm still not sure what Achilles' accent is meant to be
it's like......fake irish
It feels like they were going for Irish
As an Irish person I'm not offended but I am amused and not sure why Achilles is suddenly Celtic
As I recall, all the Chthonic cast are supposed to be fantasy-American? Not sure if Achilles falls in that category. The Olympians are fantasy-British
Does this mean Cu Chulainn can show up
what even is fantasy american
That might not be the exact term, but it was in one of the AMAs
you say fantasy american i think like, 50s broadcaster, teddy roosevelt voice
Oh yeah the gods are all fantasy British huh
I'll see if I can dig it up
Folks born in the underworld speak American, folks born on olympus or on the surface speak "lord of the rings"
e.g. the vaguely british prestige english associated with foreign accents and fantasy worlds
is it my periodic reminder to bring up the trivia that americans used to put on a british affected accent to sound high class and fancy back in the 20th century
it's not, like, real british, just brit-flavored
Response in the AMA re: accents https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/546042754283601921
So apparently Achilles falls into the "fantasy British" category
yeah
but like, if he's fantasy irish is that supposed to imply he's a bit more...... "down to earth"???
all the mortals do
fake welsh sisyphus when
oh lord please no
canadian thanatos when
please no
wight where do you get these emojis
Hey, what's wrong with being Canadian 
no escaping from death, and all, eh?
I collect emotes... it's a sickness
Some are from Twitch subs
Some are just from my assortment of Discord servers
Some I have made myself
i feel like my best approximation of canadian is actually minnesotan
Orpheus is already almost fake Welsh
He just needs to sit into his vowels a little more and he's there
minnesotans are basically canadians so,
That's true, ven, re: Minnesotan ๐
oh! i'm already there then, doncha know
that lake should be on our side of the border anyways
petition to reunite the great lakes
Canadian accents do vary a fair bit from one side of the country to another, just like the US
i said two words to a store clerk outside minneapolis-st. paul and he scanned my soda and was like "you're not from around here, are yah"
the only people who can peg my accent usually are far northerners gkjdfgfd
and linguists
The accent you're making fun of is more central Canadian and central American
yeah if anything i get mistaken for west coast US (vancouver)
okay okay the spookiest thing is like
i moved out of china when i was 8 right, so i think i pretty much don't have an accent anymore, but one time i asked my phonetics professor if she can tell my accent, and she said she could kinda tell
she said she knows a lot of chinese-canadians who emigrated very young and like, there is a vaguely distinct quality??
phonetician super hearing
I feel like we're drifting to #off-topic-discussion
Why wavemakers are the third worst enemy in the game, after cyclopes and brimstones
This also includes the new hydra head
Waves are the only projectile that isn't blocked by the shield during bullrush
Witch balls, gorgon stones, and brimstone lasers are all blocked during bullrush charge and the bullrush, but waves are only blocked during the charge
Not A Fan
Just wondering has a third area been released yet?
not yet, but soon!
Thank you :-)
The beef will fight your exam for you
the beef arm writes the answers
itโs a speaking exam and im just gonna rant about beef
YES
๐ฎ
T H A N I S J E A L O O O O O O O O O O U S
"You've told me all I needed to know" ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
hahahahahaha
keep it down, ezo
he's in jail for jealousy crimes
What a gay little emo
ill never go to jail again!! never!!!!
Babey jail
I am so ready to unlock the next 4 hearts
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm his tender love for Zagreus Hades???????
draaaaaaaaama
DRAMA
But when will he confess his love...
he'd spontaneously explode in an effort to be emotionally sincere
Perfect...
death dies
cause of death tenderness and sincerity
The joke is that Thanatos was probably regarded as the nicest of the chthonics
Just your friendly neighbourhood psychopomp
p....psychological pompadour......
hhhhhhhhh
Can we @ Jen for a redesign thanks
Give Than a pompadour!
HES PERFECT
Give him a motorcycle!
....ok yeah
Give him lots of hairspray!
give him some chill
Take his boyfriend for a drive all the way through Hell and up into the sky
Except he's dead when he gets there because the constant stream of aerosol suffocated him
thanatos: seeya, suckers! I start up my motorcycle and drive away in a cloud on smoke. when the smoke clears im lying dead on the pavememt
Drive your boyfriend back down to Hell because he's dead now
iourhgfiyuergfheiuorygeriuyug
hhhhhhhhh 12 days
YOU SAW THE CONVO
isn't it great
zag's little
.......Oh.
he's so..........................clueless
@acoustic condor i want you to know i have a recording of that convo and it's saved as oh.mp4
bless his dumb lil heart
nobody's ever flirted with zag before usually it's the other way around
he doesn't know what this is gkdfjgfd
you call that flirting???
what if we kissed ๐คช๐ณ๐๐
while i helped you escape the underworld ๐๐๐ณ
Askaljfhaeiuadcdf
ghdkfhghdkg I MEAN
i rlly am praying for dating sim hades
I've been praying for dating sim hades ever since I found Sisyphus (the most smoochable npc)
EXACTLY i wanna romance everyone
somehow i feel like EVERYONE is unlikely fhfhdkg i think we will have two options at best
realistically, how would that work though
"thanks for the dinner dusa, now I gotta leave forever"
yes
I mean. That already happens in game
tearful goodbyes all round
i mean whether he likes it or not, than's already like, in the deep end so whether that becomes a whole Thing or not, zag's still gonna be leaving at least one person behind, not to mention meg, and not to mention achilles and nyx who i'm sure will miss him not matter how self-effacing they are
i actually forgot abt that tbh o h
like.....a lot of people already care about him,,,
;;;;-;;;;
none of this is to say that, like, that makes it better that zag chooses to be overly optimistic about maintaining relationships despite doing his very best to run away from them at the same time, but it is saying that hearts will be broken no matter what so uh...party?
๐ฆ nobody in the underworld is happy ๐ฆ
sad crab time
dead game?
dead person here playing the game too
ok
๐ โ
ok folks we're 10 days away from the Day and before then id like to hear about your hcs
i'm in the Mood
besides twitch streamer sisyphus and the like
Prometheus is the random encounterable NPC in Elysium. I have no evidence to support this I just saw Sisyphus mention his name once so I thought it would be cool
oooo thats a good one
thanatos regularly brings back cats from the surface back tothe house of hades and everytime hades makes him take them back
Pat will be an elysium npc, eurydice will be an asphodel npc, i think
I'm hoping for more Things to do in asphodel because it's so...empty right now somehow
True, Tartarus feels like it has more "character" now
i think thatโs because tartarus has the furies and also sisyphus
thanatos can show up in either zone and the bone hydra doesnโt really talk to zag
hell, the dialogue about the hydra is with meg, in tartarus
galaxy brain predictions: the hydra is a new npc in the house of hades
he's cerberus's playmate
^^^ was gonna say, cerberus needs a buddy with zag leaving and all
I think Achilles will end up being the boss in the new area, or at least a foe in some way
it's foreshadowed by Hades discovering that he's helping Zagreus in one of the conversations and if the new zone is Elysium, would make sense with the character
I don't see Achilles being an opponent at all
Yeah, I personally think that foreshadowing was about Hades punishing Achilles...he said something to that effect
About sending him to the lowest depths or something
Cerberus or Thanatos had seemed like the most likely bosses, but now Thanatos is a friend, and tbh I don't...think SGG would make us fight our dog because that's a cheap shot
It's a big plot point that Cerberus is not guarding the gates of the Underworld
Though there are times when he isn't in his lounging spot so he's probably doing something
Chewing on some tortured souls somewhere in tartarus, lol
i want to see orpheus sprite
GOD yeah i hope the last few blank sprites get filled in
crosses my fingers and hopes real hard for softboy orpheus
i don't know if jen remembers....how to draw softboys ๐
jen please....
jen needs a beef intervention
an inter-venison-tion
orpheus takes off the robe
orpheus is the buffest character
:(
charon is the buffest-
achilles is the least buff character
sisyphus has been working out since he died of course he's shredded
also shades don't have to divide their attention to leg days
wonder if we gonna get pet-able cerberus this update 
i hope so
woke: RIDEABLE CERBERUS
please let me pet the boy
#fan-works probably
we gotta get hades on can you pet the dog
they were in here at one point, actually
elysium update's most expected feature: petting the dog
the true elysium, being able to pet the dog
that beefy arm? got that way from petting dog
playing hades again for the update and i cant believe ive missed such important interactions
hypnos: oh i guess you could kill me dead
thanatos, death incarnate: exists
hypnos: https://i.imgur.com/WOSDMK4.jpg
hypnos: exists
thanatos: 
than perish
has anyone tried deciphering the characters in than's death circle or is it just gibberish
gonna guess it's gibberish but i can sneak a peak
i took a pickchure just in case https://i.imgur.com/QTWHhFo.jpg
oh it's ok i have the
yeah
ahem. anyways there is a consistent character set it looks like
but it's not immediately recognizable or anything
What thing are you using nowadays for your dark work, ven, since the old thing no longer works?
it's mr hades hades telling her secrets
Can you share your thecreth with me?
Soooo next patch in 8 days?
Yup
the bigger concern these days is that the FX package will literally get too big to load in
EIGHT???????
ATE DAYS...........
and no image or spoiler so far?
other than the email teaser
mystery beef
we have beef
Yeah, all of that, up there 
the Beef update
added Beef
i don't have it on me
If you scroll up enough to find jan's name (mystery beef) it's in their profile picture
the beef....
Oh, nevermind, ven got it
where's the beef dot jpg
ok thnks
yeh, if you're not already, sgg sends things out like this in their supergiant blast emails
they always ask WHERES the beef...WHOS the beef....they never ask HOWS the beef :'((
so you could subscribe
oh i'm sure the beef's doing pretty alright here
its dead beef! its fine beef
everyone after the recent supergiant blast
in a week the world gets to discover my new name and profile picture
OHO................OHOOOOOOOOOOOO
the mods will get a new theme
mods be like
okay like im scared now
modlysium
"hey can i be his left ankle or something"
[beyonce voice] okay moddies now lets get in formation
it's first come first serve
I'm holding out hope for beefy lady (even though I will probably be let down)
mods assembling voltron with their profile pics
jgjkgjkgkgk
you joke but
they are making exodia
again, i know you're joking, but,
hey kam do you have those screenshots of the groupchat icons
UHHH WHICH
"which"
i remember the time where everyone was different parts of chaos
"which" god.
i was very disappointed that i came to chaos update so late
all the good parts had been taken
YEAH that works

this has the same energy as those toys on childrens playgrounds where you can spin the animal parts to make something weird
YES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
update: there are 12 unique characters in the thanatos ring
they get repeated; i should number them and write out the whole sequence...
oh!!
yeah sorry ;-;
hjghjgfjhfhj oh well
nah that doesn't surprise me tho i'm more surprised they just used a font instead of making a custom one
plot twist: it reads "made you look"
HGBHGHJGHJ
double plot twist, sparrow told me about this a while ago and it just didn't register at all
answer: it doesn't say anything
[flexes gently in the background]
Jfdghx
Ahaajfkgpphkyj5b3bwvhsxf

me
I've always wondered about that image's context but it feels better without it
Does anybody know what's the deal with Ares face? I mean light part on eye level. I though it's some weird lighting, but watching more closely, it doesn't look like it
Some variety of war paint, I imagine
it's paint yeah
style
let's go spartans! let's go!
fhfjfhsjfh
One week from today, we're launching our BIGGEST Major Update yet for #HADES -- featuring a whole new biome to explore! https://t.co/4hJU17K7Jd
Hercules hype?
GRANT AMD ASHER KENDRELL
MY GOD IT'S THE CAMERATA
yes
I JUST SAW THE KITTY
Hi I just saw the announcement on twitter excited
dawn of the final week
i think mystery beef is definitely the minotaur
We always need a horn boy
i'd also like to point out that besides being able to see what looks like a nose ring, the Beefy Boi looks to be wielding an axe, which is commonly associated with the minotaur as they're both symbols of minoan crete
Mr minotaur plz have this ambrosia
[gets down on one knee] [i am immediately killed by the minotaur]
Look if small boy is theseus i AM going to punch him in the face
you can't bully a man with no butt, be kind
what's wrong with theseus?
-attempted kidnap of persephone
YEAH HE'S TAKING IT
Punishment for abduction is forcible removal of buttcheeks
I mean, how about being bound to a chair by snakes and injected poison for all eternity?
As well as terrorised by the spirits of the undead
People only remember the butt thing cause it's hilarious
Also cause of death being pushed off a cliff by an old guy? Hilarious
sharp eyes, sparrow, i would've assumed the background was smoke or something tbh ghdjfkg
it's really hard to make sense of that outline
if it's the minotaur would theseus be standing that close to it? i mean i know they're associated but is there a reason they would've gone from mortal enemies to...allies, in the afterlife?
also why is the minotaur even in elysium just wondering
like i guess it could be a monster and handler type deal under special orders from Hades or something...
So in conclusion what are the theories now? *Waited ยดtill the heated discussion stops.
In the last vignette didn't we get Than super close to the new murrrrderers? Yet the characters themselves have very little connection. Im not sure there's a major narrative-correlation between mino and muscles
ah, you're right
i forgot fhdjfkg
then it doesn't have to be theseus or someone related to the minotaur at all
can the minotaur like, talk, can we have convos with the minotaur
why else would it have a convo sprite
I feel like we're getting Minotaur as a boss and achille's ex as an npc. BUT it could pull a big ol' twist on me and flip those roles up.
yeah i'd figure the minotaur would be a....mid-boss? but i guess it could be a final boss too
it'd be a little weird
just imagine that boss room though, labyrinth themed where the walls change randomly
It'd be an awesome boss fight.
I just really really want the mino to be a talking, tired friend
I'd be cool with that as well
But we're probably going to get a big angry nasty smashy smashy boy. Which sounds cool as well.
Imagine a move that's a big swing of the axe. It lodges into the ground and there's a big ol' ripple. Lotsa big arcs and swings, maybe falling debris from the ceiling so you've got to pay attention to shadows.
honestly with the pose it looks like the minotaur is about to golf-putt theseus's head off his shoulders (replace names with whatever your theory for New Boys are)
The cool things is:
also in fairness it took me a couple attempts of Looking to realise it wasn't just smoke
If mino IS a boss, he gets his own hero portrait, and those are primarily used for dialogue.
it'll be nice having another boss capable of dialogue
"Oh hello-"
Inane Hydra Hissing
part of my issue with how empty asphodel feels is that the only dialogue with the hydra is zag's little pre-battle quip, and that combined w/ the lack of an encounterable npc in asphodel just makes it feel a lot less satisfying than tartarus
100% agreed!
Even if it was just the tisi type thing where Minotaur only says like, a couple words
Small silhouette is probably apollo
Idk if thatโs exactly what you were talking about regarding theseus cause i didnt backread it all
But it seems to be wearing a bay leaf crown
If thatโs already clear sorry lmao too many messages
I still think itโs Sisyphus because of the way the smile is
Itโs the shadow under the chin i think
Yeah. Judging by placement on the silhouette, itโs a shadow
Cant be sure tho could be anyone
pls say apollo ๐
Looks like apollo at least
apollo sounds likely given the "good day or night"
but that could just be me reading into it a lot
friendship ended with thanatos
now apollo is my best friend
jk,,,, i still love thanny 
how could u
now hes never gonna show up in my runs
I completely ignored the possibility that it's a character we already know that hasn't gotten their hero art. The smile definitely screams Sisyphus, you're right. And those arms? I mean, he's been pushing Bouldy for a long time.
they didn't advertise an update with artemis' art when they updated her sprite though...
i feel like for their hype game they usually bring new characters
V v true
whoever our man is, he's got some laurels
another thing sisyphus wouldn't have, probably
could be apollo
Yeah, I'm feeling like Apollo's a big possibility. That smile alone, plus the laurel.
My desire to see Sisyphus' art is clouding my judgment.
you're valid
Calling it now, its Kratos. Were getting Kratos god boons
Sys's 3d model also has the cloak which new boy doesnt seem to have
btu they could update that too i suppose
Theoretically when they update the character portraits they'll give unique outfits, too
Oh damn, looks like Apollo and Hephaestus to me!
like 5 months in and I finally beat the hydra ONCE ๐
I mostly blame me not having any sense of playing safe and rather just punching everything till it dies
hey thats serious dedication, congrats
Congrats!
thank you!!
he doesn't have any visible regalia, though, that's my main hangup
A 3/4 pose looking away from the camera
The prognathism, the ring, the big thing at the top is a horn
most of the olympians have a symbol with them, a sword or trident or bow
True true
this guy's design isn't busy enough to be a god, i don't think
At the same time Apollo doesn't NEED anything because he's Apollo
He's Just That Cool
if it were apollo, he'd have a bow or a lyre
He does have something
There's something behind him
I was trying to figure out if the minotaur was holding something but I think it's just a cloud
you can tell what's minotaur and what's the guy in front by the shading
And it's midground so I would associate it with the foreground figure
everything in the backdrop is part of the minotaur
No this is a different colour to both of them
it's the same
i'm pretty sure the minotaur's holding a giant axe
you can see his hands wrapped around the handle
That's over the minotaur's shoulder
I mean the foreground guy
Over his right shoulder there's some random stuff
That's not a discernible physical object so it's probably some magic smoke
looks like the minotaur's hands on the axe handle to me
How could it be when the axe head is over his shoulder lying horizontally
The thing I've circled is vertical with no shaft extending upward or diagonally
Actually in lower res there it does look like the same colour
But it's not an axe handle
the axe handle is lower to the left
But there's no connection to the top right
it's just behind the guy??
oh ven's on it
Ohhhhhhhhhhh
and i'd imagine that "cloud" is just a mess of muscley arms and hands
i'm not gonna try to figure it out but
I guess so
And nobody guessed minotaur for the biceps huh
Or they did and I didn't see it
nobody guessed that i saw, nope
wait how did we get to minotaur from the silhouette
it's pretty out of left field
i didn't cause the minotaur is normally furrier tbh
he's got horns and a cow nose with a ring
though i guess the buffness paradox has now been resolved
i'm glad i was at least right for thinking it was not a normal mortal level of buffness
whoever this new human-shaped guy is is pretty beefy
idk he might win
unless it really does turn out to be apollo, which i kind of doubt only because his design isn't busy enough
i just don't think so
that power pose is giving off intense insufferably smug vibes though
god yeah i wanna punch him in the face
i sure hope he's punchable
maybe it IS theseus
once we take a look at this guy we'll understand why achilles is the only warrior guy hired in the hoh
the others are all literally resting on their laurels
hades shopping for a personal trainer for his son: yeah i'll take the depressed washed up old ghost over his insufferable testosterone fueled war buddies
the plain design is another reason i don't think it's hercules either, hercules usually has a handful of regalia items that set him apart
not to mention his weird "in the underworld but not really" status
lion
yeah lion
and the club
this dude has neither
just a plain old chiton and a belt and some laurels to show he's Special
and an aura of smugness
ugh now i have to like, acknowledge there's a chance of it being theseus but i really hate that because i'm president of the theseus hateclub
but he might be punchable!
imagine anyone being the offspring of this universe's poseidon
exactly. surely we can punch theseus, he was complicit in a plot to try to kidnap persephone
good.
its someone singing sweet sweet jazz
Is that Mr. Clean on the left
Wait where did we get the promo with the little bit of official art from?
The SG Blast newsletter
i took the sg blast preview and scaled it up onto the update image
ohhhhh okay, forgot we got that lol
Do we have any information on the new biome, or is it a big secret?
yeah i have top secret info shhh cmere ||its gonna be really fun||
Was just curious if we knew any enemy types or anything, havent been following super closely
nnnope
nahhh, those are secret till release!
been hush-hush on that front
been loving this game, and really stoked for a new biome
yesssss me too
legendaries may get a bit more common just by virtue of running through the boons more often
I heard the new enemies donโt like zag all that much
isn't that the norm?
i can count maybe 4 people in the underworld that like zag
naaaaaw at least 5 and a half
dusa, achilles, nyx, cerberus, and ofc meg
zag skelly relationship is strictly professional
i didn't count meg
You forgot ||Than|| and Hypnos
oh yea than exists
sisyphus erasure
i feel like meg can only count for a half at this point gjdfgfd
she tolerates him
yeah.
of people who unreservedly like zag, it's probably achilles, nyx, dusa, cerberus, hypnos, sisyphus, and thanatos
maybe thanatos should get an asterisk
thanatos*
*angry at first but highly susceptible to bribes
hfjfhjfjhfhj yes
than**os
***n**o*
tomatos
the difference between than and meg is that meg drinks the ambrosia but it's not gonna change her opinion of zag, it's just like, yay free drinks
meanwhile thanatos really doesn't want the ambrosia that much but he appreciates the effort
tomato...........
meg: do you even like ambrosia
than: not really
meg: so leme have it
than: never
ambrosia = friendship bracelets
aaaaaahhh zag stringing together bracelets...
thanatos wears them but he hides them behind his clothes
meg just has so much jewelry on her no one notices
ghfjhfhjfhj than takes off his big glove and 25 bracelets tumble out
than: ugh zag gave me all these friendship bracelets
meg: so let me have them
than: WHAT NO THEY'RE MINE BACK OFF HE GAVE THEM TO ME >:(
thanny hisses like a cat
friendship bracelets.......they're those animal-shaped rubber band bracelets we all had back in like early middle school
having a bunch was a sign of status.......
oh jhksdf i had those
oh man.........silly bandz.........
why are we censoring thanatos
jskdncnvn he knows what he did
jk its not censir marks so much as asterisks to footnotes
yeah i included an asterisk to denote that he has Mixed Feelings abt zag but is susceptible to bribes
You can't just Not like ambrosia
silly bandz..... Such Important Lovely Little Yellow Bottles (of) Ambrosia Distributed (by) Zagreus
such important lovely little yellow bottles (of) ambrosia nicely distributed (by) zagreus
THANKS
Blessed
zagares????
Has anyone spoken to hades a thousand times yet btw? I'm curious about the codex entry
I think the full thing is on the wiki
I see, thanks
"this is cat, not dog" comic but THIS IS ALECTO....NOT TISIPHONE when u stand in the wrong defense pattern
late to the zagreus discussion
but I fall in neither
megreus forever
After 16 runs I could beat Megaera haha feels so nice
Love the combo Flurry Jab + Lightning Strike
It's a powerful combo to be sure
Yes! This is how I could beat her after some tries, is so nice to clean the mobs around
Best of luck with the next boss!
Thanks! Still need to improve a lot ๐
Oh damn. Ares does not look how i expected.

I only just now realized Ares has a helmet tucked under his arm
I don't think I ever noticed that either
One of the first things i noticed ๐
The colour kind of blends into the armour on the torso and doesn't draw your eye in
he does not wear the helmet because it would squash his impeccably styled mohawk
nobody wants helmet hair
I need to see Ares with helmet hair now ๐
What is your fav character right now?
Artemis and Megaera, probably
Artemis 
Beat Fury first try ๐
Now onto the next area! See if you can carry that success on to the (current) final boss
Only my 3rd run, idk that im that good
You can only try 
Though if you've already gotten past Megaera on your 3rd run, you're doing exceedingly well
Possible motives for each Olympian wanting Zag to succeed
Athena: hopes he can reunite their family
Artemis: Lonely, but hates the rest of the gods, so hoping Zag will finally be the perfect hunting partner that she wants
Zeus: pretty sure his only motive is โBecause Hades told me not toโ
Aphrodite: I think sheโs just like... curious? Like I definitely think she wants to make Zag in her own image the way she talks about showing him around town
it seems like zag secretly being a demigod is a big deal, I feel like they wouldn't care nearly as much if they didn't think he was a full god
and him leaving to find his mom is his big deception from them right?
Ares: I want to cause as much carnage as possible
I think a major theme of Hades is Zag trying to find his independence. The god's are all offering him help, but the majority (if not all) are trying to make Zag dependent on them. Those that aren't doing so as intentionally as the others will still get extremely offended when they realize that Zag has lied to them about who he is and his motives for escape.
Imagine the last boss fight being a random god ๐
That's my Big Wish, but I doubt they'd give us so many unique boss fights.
3 is already hard to balance (judging by the furies :p)
Lately I've been thinking it could be one Boss, with different 'flavors' based upon the god who you've angered the most this run, similar to trial rooms.
The other big theme of this narrative is family, and by proxy divided familial expectations. I think the gods would be incredibly upset to learn that Zag doesn't actually hate his home, and that he's willing to return to see them. He doesn't want to denounce his relationship with anyone (except maybe a few), and this journey has actively strained his relationships with the people he cares about. In my eyes, he just wants the freedom to go where he pleases, and for others to see him as someone capable of making his own choices.
Which, is also why I like Sisyphus the most. He's one of the only ones who seems uncaring and overtly supportive of Zag's quest. Most of the other characters in Hades (besides Achilles and possibly Dusa) express disappointment, anger, or doubt in Zag's decisions. Sisyphus is just there to give you a gift to help you along on your journey. Of course, we can't ignore source material. Sisyphus could just be massively manipulating Zag in a 'I scratch your back you scratch mine' kind of way, and I will actively scream NO the day that's realized.
sisyphus is a bro
Nyx is supportive, I'd say
immediately i was like no! not cerberus! but then i was like actually yeah cerb too
Yeah! But she lied for us :X
Not just that big lie, but also lied to the gods. That's what I'm miffed about.
And I don't know how I feel about her manipulating the other side of the family to help us out. I see her actions as something filled with regret, and that doesn't feel as supportive to me.
of course he can't be accused of manipulation he's just a dog
but he's a very sad dog
how can you leave your dog behind
Then that makes the cast of selfless support to be Achilles, Sisyphus, Cerb(until Hades sends him off to kill us and bring us home) and Nyx.
I'm unsure if Dusa deserves to be on the list here, mostly because any support she has is a passive admiration.
I don't recall her expressing an opinion on Zagreus' mission
Same with Hypnos
I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I went through their earlier dialog
not all of the characters feel strongly about zag's leaving to the same degree tho
sisyphus is kinda like... a nice acquaintance in a "oh well i don't really get it but i support whatever it is you're doing" way?
-sisyphus voice- i don't know what memes are but i'm sure they're neat
Maybe Sisyphus doesn't 100% understand the family conflict behind Zag's choices, but he sure does understand the implications and desire to leave the underworld. What's interesting is that he doesn't express his own desire to leave, but does show support to Zag's journey.
eh i'm not really worried about sisyphus turning out to have ulterior motives
he gives me the impression that he's.... not all there
not in a creepy way just in a he's been a ghost for so long he's forgotten pretty much everything about life way
had all his own desires crushed out of him by bouldy idk
I don't feel the same way. I think he's had a lot of time to think about his choices in life, and that time has kind of eased a lot of his earlier, selfish, in the moment desires. He's had a lot of time to reflect, but I don't like thinking of Sisyphus as an inherently different person than the one he was when he was alive. His actions back then have helped shape who he is now. Or maybe I'm just not big on the concept that this place has somehow 'killed' or made him forget his old personality.
but it's like, to what end
his punishment is eternal there's no point of rehabilitating him
(speaking from an in-universe perspective)
(i mean obvs the original myth wasn't that interested in diving into that deep sisyphus psychology)
I don't think there is an intended 'end', and I don't think an in-universe rehabilitation was ever thought of. I just think this is Supergiant's take on how an awful person can take the time to reflect on their past deeds and turn out to be an okay guy.
maybe when we have elysium we'll get a bit more pondering on the troubling philosophical implications of the concept of an eternal afterlife
I mean, Achilles has depression. He's been here a long time, and he hasn't even sorted his own stuff out. You'd assume he would, but you can't assume with depression.
i've been really hoping it's a thing they'll tackle eventually
ever since transistor
the amount of rambling i did about the country is.... oof
now it's hades and i'm like sgg you can't make another game entirely set in the dang underworld and not talk about this at all
You could say that the gods have this very same psychological problem as well, given that both seem unbound to time
it's not that i think dying kills your old self or erases your personality but the sudden different outlook on, uhh.... unlife can totally change a person's entire worldview
dang it that was a bad sentence
i came here thinking id see some spoils for next update or something lol /shrug
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hey do you guys know what the term redblood mean?
homestuck
jk itโs bc zag has red blood but the other gods donโt
because zag isnโt a full god
alecto is being a bully
i mean, first part yes, but โzag isnโt a full godโ hasnโt been Confirmed yet has it?
I think the redblood/half god comments come from the others not knowing that Zag is the son of Hades and Persephone
well the โredbloodโ thing comes from alecto stabbing zag a lot
what colour blood someone has is very noticeable after a few wounds
even she says that sheโs โnever met a god that bleeds red beforeโ or something to that effect - like she believes he IS a god, just a weird one
but yeah the olympians are under the impression zag is the son of hades and nyx, so perhaps the personification of night does not count as a god for parentage status so far as theyโre concerned
i wonder if this might relate to the whole zag/dio thing
Where was it that the Greek gods bleed gold? Was it PJ?
lots of places
Huh, okay. Been assuming since that they do :p
including the original myth
Oh what, really?
the gods had ichor instead of blood, and it was described as a golden fluid
i hope zag gets duel wielding akimbo uzi's
hades: "What are those...things, boy?"
zag: dual wielding uzi's "Oh, these? I call this one Des, and this one Troy. You see, when you put them together, they destroy."
I would say a chain-sickle but that's more of a japanese weapon
and mcdonald's
i think nyx is listed under the chthonic gods in the codex (dont have game open to check) so achilles at least considers her one
and in the original myth shes a primordial god I believe, so while shes not part of the pantheon it'd be weird to only consider her kids half-gods, at least not in a half-mortal sense
So we know Zag doesnโt have Ichor-en his veins
i'd say make the demeter themed weapon a boomeranging scythe projectile but the shield is already kinda a boomerang
i love hurty thing on a chain though
I do what I can
a weapon that can summon ads would be cool
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"pomegranate cleanse, now with more a n t i o x i d a n t s"
"can't get across the river styx because your neglectful family members didn't give you an obol? call 1-800-ELYSIUM-NOW to discuss short-term loan options"
than lets you borrow his scythe
thanatos can't give us his scythe for the same reason charon can't just take us to the surface
"than how do you deal 9999 damage with this"
"oh that's just my death powers did you think it was the scythe"
hahaha the scythe is just there for ornamentation
you have the scythe but all you can do is swing it around and clobber things
"why do you have a sword if you never use it"
"it's ornamental"
"....why do you have a scythe if it's not even sharp"
"did you not hear me the first time?"
"why do you wear those ridiculous dog skulls if they aren't shooting fire at your enemies"
"ok, than, i get it"
.....can they please shoot fire at enemies
Can they just do a bite if enemies get close?
sgg i would like to suggest an "attack of opportunity" mechanic
nommed by shoulder dogs.......
in which an enemy in retreat takes a free attack from zag's skull pauldron
oh very good read in here
u borrow thannys scythe and use it as a bridge across the river
sorry i'm still laughing imagining payday loan places lining the banks of the styx
it speaks to the suburbanite in me who watched strip malls get gutted and replaced with loan places gkgdfgdf
Hermes' Helping Hand - Deathday loans for discerning shades
kgjdfhgkdfhkgdjdf god
"how do i use this" "you have to say you're already dead"
more evidence that than is a closet weeb
gets inordinately mad when people think that's from jojo
JXKFJFJG YES
jojo invented anime don't you know
fist of the joestar
jo of the joerth joe
jojo jo joe jojo joe
jo jo jo
jo of the jorts
VEN BEAT ME
ok this is out of hand now
So... How about them Hades Spoilers
yes anyways
We know what the third area will be, but what I really want to know is what the fourth area will be
i mean....only one more place to go...
Oh?
gun only
moot point now but i wonder how they were even planning to release elysium in two parts originally
just like..... half an elysium??
i figured itdve been just the fightingy bits w no characters
you get elysium but there's no boss and all the sprites are sketchy
jhghjfhj yeah
the final boss is just a hooded sprite and a generic free unity model
Or stop at mid boss, if there is one, and then second part would have been the second half with the boss?
Every other biome has a mid-boss so Elysium should as well
But yeah, moot point
minotaur rushing towards you in t-pose
gkdfjhgkdf
terrifying
much scarier than the alternative
voice acting isn't done so it's all just temporary voices from michael
Just missing texture icons for all the enemies
no giant's playing hades which means
either they stayed on a good schedule this time and are getting plenty of sleep
it means it's saturday jan
.....or crunch time hasn't started yet
i hope they're not at work right now gkdfjgfd
i only wish good sleeping schedules for them
but fr i'm sure having two months for this update has taken some pressure off
Dear god that hydra
Question, why not have ares symbol the symbol of war?
? what symbol of war?
The greek symbol of war
It means omega but seems like its associated with Ares a lot
this isnโt god of war
seriously, god of war is the only place i can see where ฮฉ is a โsymbol of warโ
itโs just the last letter of the greek alphabet
probably a stylistic choice they used in god of war to symbolize war being the 'end', but not part of classical greek canon
and also because itโs the gameโs logo.
never played a single god of war game so i didnt know that
good to know
zagreus for smash
Omega represents how far out of my way I will go to avoid an ares boon
Ares is great! 
damn the aresphobia on here
lol
"yea ares, I know that my attacks do massive damage later, but why can't they do massive damage NOW?" -zag
idk I like Ares on bow
zag: hey what's that funny little sword above that guy
ares: https://i.imgur.com/cLF1mrI.png
LMAO
did u make that just for the meme
Clearly anyone who doesn't like Ares hasn't played with Dire Misfortune and Curse of Longing





