bc its like AW THEYVE GROWN
#h1-story-discussion
runic terrace
smoky tusk
WHY YOU LYIN'
late nacelle
Truuuue, tbf Bastion was quite big though wasn't it?
smoky tusk
but it's true what you're saying
runic terrace
im not lyin but if u feel the guilt thats on you uwu π΅
late nacelle
Oohhhh sip it gentlebeing
runic terrace
basion was 12 ppl right? TEENY
smoky tusk
still, they're not big
cold canopy
well it sorta does! cuz triple A's pretty much are guaranteed to reach a ton of people from their insane amount of ad space
lime yoke
ssg is weird tbh
like they're big for an indie but still niche enough
they're in that weird limbo of wth gamers xD
runic terrace
you only think sgg is big because ur in an sgg server
hallow flicker
Indie is usually described with, NOT being supported by a publisher.
Otherwise its being innovative, but that is quite vague
lime yoke
in terms of indie theyre probably one of the most recognized studios tho
runic terrace
ok yeah we rly should offtopic now fhjfhjfhj
lunar kiln
so has anyone unveiled the last statue
late nacelle
I need to get on that, what do you think I should put my heat in to get to 120 from 80?
I have it in +500% damage and little darkness
lunar kiln
i have no idea
going from that you should maybe invest in shared misery/grim inevitability
smoky tusk
yeah, there is a guy I talked to yesterday here
tazak
he has his max heat hydra heat in #self-promotion
strange cipher
Um
I gave Artemis her second ambrosia and she gave me a gift in return.
At least she said she did.
late nacelle
Excuuuuse me
fathom merlin
you have to buy the loot box m8
honest coral
she gave you the gift of friendship
late nacelle
The lootbox just contains a 4th(I've not got the 3rd statue but I'm assuming) statue of skelly
fathom merlin
π
bleak osprey
@strange cipher same thing happened to me, i was worried all the gods would have ambrosia amnesia but i think it's just an issue w/ artemis
sleek cape
Where is my bypass the 60heat run dlc
bleak osprey
doesn't exist and will not
onyx spoke
I've had other gods say they will give you something and then don't
I remember Aphrodite said something about reciprocity being the foundation of any relationship and then giving me nothing
open panther
I've had every god so far tell me "here's my greatest power!" and amp me up for thinking I'm finally gonna see a legendary but then nope
lunar kiln
legendaries have prerequisites
when they say stuff like that it means there's an epic quality boon in store
lime heart
Wait boons go beyond epic?
smoky tusk
yup
bleak osprey
you can get legendary boons if you have specific other boons
lime heart
Huh. Didn't know that.
red anvil
Legendary boons are different than normal / rare / epic boons in that only specific boons come in legendary, and those boons can only be legendary
visual laurel
@onyx spoke That feedback has already been submitted! if you search sisyphus in the feedback channel, you should see it and you can upvote it ^^
onyx spoke
whoops
visual laurel
it's fine! i'm gonna clear your feedback if that's alright
onyx spoke
ok
patent obsidian
neat crow
Congrats!
atomic forge
Onion has apparently been buffed, by +100%. Now recovers 2 hp instead of 1 hp.
It is a bit overpowered.
neat crow
If you're finding the onions overpowering, try sautΓ©ing them with some butter and garlic
onyx spoke
whenever I kill meg I think for a brief moment that I'll see the words THERE IS NO ESCAPE and realize that instead I was the one who died
visual laurel
s a m e
orchid isle
Yeah. I'm still pretty new to the game and so that gets me every time.
onyx spoke
I have almost 70 runs and it still gets me
I always expect the dreaded "dun dun DUNDUNNNN"
orchid isle
π©
neat crow
Same, Doc
Even though I'm doing well and I know I'm winning, if I kill Meg unexpectedly (not watching her HP bar) I'll get startled and think "What?! What did I do wrong?"
onyx spoke
honestly I kinda like it though, gives a huge feeling of relief
sterile plover
Got to hydra for the first time yesterday but I could only get it down to 1/3rd of its health
got and epic thunder dash and power pom'd that boi like 4 times so it was doing >100 damage per dash
honest coral
Modded in a room counter
Uses the same stat as the "furthest room reached" overlook thing
standard disclaimer: modding is not officially endorsed by supergiant etc
smoky tusk
is modding supported by the epic launher? I assume no
candid bear
Mod me a scythe
smoky tusk
scythe seem so be requested a lot
bleak osprey
i don't see how a scythe would be reasonably different to the weapons we already have tbh
smoky tusk
what would be different tho
a double edged axe sounds really flavourful, idk how it'd play differently tho
probably a bit slower/heavier
honest coral
@smoky tusk No official modding support. Would also need to create a patch file which is then applied by the user, because currently the only way to release the mod would be to upload modified sourcecode, which I don't think supergiant would be super happy about.
Ideal would to make a mod loader which patches / unpatches at user discretion
atomic forge
the scythe could be a mix of sword + spear and it d have one hell of a design for sure
but then again , would it really be that different from the weapons we have
smoky tusk
I see. not really interested in mods, although hopefully we'll see oficial support in the future
bleak osprey
doubt it
atomic forge
doubt it too
smoky tusk
the jojo mod! hello. one lad suggested a scythe design that'd involve "sweet spots"
atomic forge
hey 
smoky tusk
meaning, if you keep proper distance from the enemy you deal bonus dmg or sth.
I don't see how a scythe would fit flavour wise.
what's good booby (sorry, that's your tag). never seen you active around here. different time-zones?
thank god the bot didn't delete this
lol
atomic forge
im mostly interested in a scythe for the design it d have
that s why i keep using the sword even though im terrible with it.. it looks so cool π
amber shore
sword boyfriend sword when
smoky tusk
sword is the best
atomic forge
and nah im just not much of a chatter ,,, not that good at the game either
shield is perfect for my attention span , surprised it got a lot less popular after all the updates
bleak osprey
shield annoys me because somehow i take more idiot damage when i use it
smoky tusk
sword is def the most fun imo. also probably the hardest if you don't get world splitter/flurry blade
obsidian basin
i love the sword with flurry blade π’
smoky tusk
yeah, it's fun! especially with zeus attack boon
obsidian basin
oh god yes
civic bane
I dropped the game before the chaos update because the sword made me think armour was ridiculously OP
bleak osprey
someday, okay, someday i will flurry blade & zeus attack & zeus dash & athena special for the true framerate killer
calm geyser
xD Go for it.
smoky tusk
armor is really tough with the sword
calm geyser
Armor? Just get dash boons.
smoky tusk
even with the +300%dmg to armor hammer upgrade, you're usually gonna get hit
calm geyser
I'm joking but they do make it a lot easier to handle.
smoky tusk
they do, true
smoky tusk
I usually stay away from poseidon dash, maybe I need to give it a second chance
calm geyser
Knockback is also a wonderful thing on a dash. Especially when overwhelmed.
smoky tusk
It should be reallt useful with the bow, you wanna keep your distance
civic bane
how have I only just realised that hades literally has RNG Gods
atomic forge
oh hey we should move to #h1-builds-and-combat , thought we were already there
smoky tusk
sounds appropriate
lime yoke
ok see the thing about the scythe is
i dont care if it'd feel like a mix of sword and spear
i just want a scythe
cause scythes are cool
:3
amber canyon
I just want a sweetspot mechanic
hallow flicker
You wouldn't get a scythe Risu!
You get a hoe instead!
atomic forge
language
smoky tusk
sorry for being childish, but I can't not laugh at this
hoes are tools tho. like real life gardening tools. like scythes
hallow flicker
Sorry π
smoky tusk
YEAH LOL
hallow flicker
Yes....
smoky tusk
hahaha
atomic forge
oh ! sorry !
smoky tusk
I'm laughing so hard
frozen jolt
hey not everyone is a native English speaker lol
smoky tusk
god
hallow flicker
haha its okay π
atomic forge
you can say that word, once
lime yoke
omg XDDDD
amber canyon
Or maybe its not even that
lime yoke
poor bilingual mods
atomic forge
:(
hallow flicker
Im sorry chaos, have a hug!
lime yoke
if i could draw i'd made a self indulgent Zag with a scythe already
alas, i can barely draw a stickman xD
smoky tusk
the thing is, a scythe could be related to demetra, godess of nature, the crop etc
it's just, scythes aren't real weapons, unlike swords, spears, shields, bows
smoky tusk
oh definitely
lime yoke
and it's the underworld, it's like the scythe aesthetic central
smoky tusk
what do you mean
hallow flicker
If u ask one of the artists very nice, maybe they will draw it for you Risu!
lime yoke
i might just commission Sven with birthday money or something xDD
obsidian basin
do ittttt give artists money 2kforever
smoky tusk
comission jen!
lime yoke
π π€
hallow flicker
Scythe has a underworld gimmick, but yeah its too close aligned with at sword or spear
smoky tusk
you know jen zee right? she's the artist responsible for most 2d art in SGG games
hallow flicker
If you could obtain Hermes flying shoes as a weapon tho π
lime yoke
scythes are probably my favourite weapons and it's not even a weapon
bleak osprey
think she may be slightly busy rn, icathios
lime yoke
yeah Icathios i caught that xD
lime yoke
it certainly is A Thoughtβ’
amber canyon
I mean
There were scythes in mythology
And while scythes arent traditional weapons in that sense
Well, except for warscythes which are just glaives
Who cares? Rule of cool
lime yoke
scythes have a lot of cool in that rule
digital crag
so far all the weapons are from the titan war and each one was used by one of the OG 6 olympian siblings gang... so scythe would make sense as a demeter weapon actually
tame mortar
Many weapons throughout history were just improvised tools of the common folk, so I see nothing wrong with adding a scythe as a weapon :D
Plus Chronos (Chronus/Kronos)
bleak osprey
i'd love to see a magic-based weapon so i can rub it in the witches' faces
digital crag
flaaaaamethrower
i love flamethrowers in games in general because i can't aim for diddly
lunar kiln
Patch 666 - June 6, 2066
New weapon lol
Highlights
- Added Gun
- Zag with a Gun.
i plant that seed and i will see the harvest
lunar kiln
(zag pointing gun at hades) I WONT HESITATE
smoky tusk
the sort that hermes would wear
bleak osprey
ugh i just realised i didn't make the text bold enough on that edit and it's Bothering Me
they're aj's hands actually
hallow flicker
Did somebody say winged sandals! π
hallow flicker
I can see it, if I imaging hard enough!
lime yoke
i wouldnt say sandals but i can definitely see that xD
hallow flicker
Snow boots with wings
candid bear
Ski boots
onyx spoke
hermes shoes
https://imgur.com/gallery/7DQagPX woah meg back away this is a private conversation
obsidian basin
good ol meg
harsh sleet
every time i try to give her a gift sheβs talking to someone
bleak osprey
orpheus 
π
bleak osprey
meg has conversations w/ nyx and hades as well
i would love to overhear meg talking to achilles
definitely not just bc i crave achilles-related content
obsidian basin
its okay
everytime anything achilles related happens im just π enlarge Eyesight
frozen jolt
Im the other side of this, which is I crave meg content
harsh sleet
i crave dusa content sheβs so sweet
obsidian basin
hypothetically. if i drew yet another achilles. what should he be doing
onyx spoke
oooh orpheus finally sang
obsidian basin
i love the song, it's pretty
hallow flicker
I wish he sang more after that point!
onyx spoke
I looked up the Underworld Mix, it's even better
hallow flicker
But it could be cool to request songs from Orpheus when your relation is high
onyx spoke
make him our White Lute
hallow flicker
Harp of Sorrow
bleak osprey
@obsidian basin i don't know what he should be doing but can he be happy pls
obsidian basin
HFHSDF π’ he deserves to be happy
bleak osprey
he DOES
frozen jolt
achilles...... sharing a pom with zag
obsidian basin
omg that's sweet
I'LL DO THAT ONE after the one i just finished lmao
cold canopy
π
fossil quartz
I was not expecting Orpheus to start singing again. Is it because I gave him so much Ambrosia and took him to the bar? That's a 10/10 reward if so, and I hope the rest of the characters get similar developments in the finished game.
bleak osprey
yeah! go have a chat with him some time, he'll talk about it
languid cradle
Pssshhh: From the Wiki -
Defeating the Hydra at certain Heat thresholds (15, 60, 120) unlocks special rewards - though much to the disappointment of Zagreus (and perhaps also the player), these 'rewards' are merely cosmetic statues of Skelly to display in the House of Hades courtyard.
That's hilarious.
hallow flicker
Good job @bleak osprey π !
zenith flume
hey uh how do i make orpheus sing?
lime yoke
...scroll up this chat a bit
zenith flume
oh ok been away since yesterday didnt know it was answered previously
lime yoke
no i mean like, literally a single scroll up, it's been explained an hour ago xD
zenith flume
oh wow....
lost gorge
Just got Orpheus to sing!
smoky tusk
beautiful isn't it
onyx spoke
I hope they release an instrumental for the Underworld Mix
atomic forge
Stupid thought in the middle of the night : maybe persephone isn't coming back to the underworld because it's always summer (well it technically is always summer somewhere) because of global warming. That'd a shyamalan twist
left pelican
Why do you think its summer in Hades
amber canyon
Not in Hades
He means on earth
The deal was during the summer she is on earth, during the winter she retreats underground
Except, thats, more based on time
amber canyon
The reason winter is cold is because Demeter forbids the earth from growing whenever perse goes back to hades
fossil quartz
So the seasons aren't why Persephone isn't around.
For now I guess it's just a mystery.
atomic forge
Asphodel burning season is also very odd
fossil quartz
I mean that her not being in Hades can't be chalked up to it being spring or whatever.
Because she's apparently been gone long enough for Zag to grow up without knowing about her.
atomic forge
Question: When giving Dusa the 6th ambrosia, is she supposed to say nothing at all?
fossil quartz
@green nova Agreed. He's got arrogance, but it's more sass and rebelliousness than pomposity.
fossil quartz
Spoiler/story talk doesn't belong in gameplay. A mod just mentioned that.
neat crow
Spoilers are fine in #h1-builds-and-combat as long as the discussion itself is focused on gameplay, if that makes sense
obsidian basin
Yells let me find patroclus in elysium
green nova
Hope to see other Greek figures
neat crow
I would be surprised if the next area wasn't Elysium, but we will have to wait and see
green nova
Kratos, Hercules, etc
fossil quartz
If the narrator ends up being Chronos after all maybe we'll see him too.
green nova
oooo, never thought of that
yeah, I'd like to see more Beings that came before the Greek Gods, Chaos being a very interesting one
neat crow
The credits for the Narrator is listed as "The Storyteller", so there may be some connection to be made there, or else it's just a placeholder name to not spoil anything
amber canyon
I imagine placeholder
green nova
Watch it be like Zag's son or something
or maybe Zag became a legend
Though Zag can "hear" the narrator, so...
neat crow
The fact that the name is Storyteller implies that it's being related in the past-tense, like the narration is the telling of a story. The specific wording of the flashback scene supports this
amber canyon
Few things are consistent accross SGG games
The narrator being a character in the game is one of them
onyx spoke
In the intro to the game it's made pretty clear that it is in past tense
but again, yeah zag hears and responds to it
fossil quartz
Makes perfect sense for Chronos.
sick grove
Doesn't Zag make some comment, really early on? Like a 'I can hear you, old man. You know that, right?'
fossil quartz
Perhaps it's notable that The Storyteller never replies to Zag's comments.
From memory, anyhow.
fossil quartz
Ah, during the flashback, yeah?
neat crow
He responds in the flashback, yeah
bleak osprey
he also tells him he can hear him at other points
when the storyteller describes the house of hades and calls zagreus hades' "wilful progeny" he says "you know i can hear you, old man"
and also gets mad at him for 'spoiling the surprise' in the room before the hydra
amber canyon
Oh and the storyteller definitely can hear Zag
He reacts to Zag when he accidentally spoils the surprise
fossil quartz
Scratch what I said, then.
fossil quartz
I don't buy the "the game is a story being told in the present" yet though.
With what's currently in the game.
bleak osprey
"yeah he uh TOTALLY figured it out himself. mhm. definitely."
neat crow
I can't decide if Zag's commentary with the narrator is from the same timeframe as the narrator, or if it's a 4th wall thing
I definitely feel it's being told in the past-tense though
amber canyon
Almost certainly same timeframe
The narrator is probably a character we will meet later
fossil quartz
Seems more likely to me that it's Chronos, and he's - yeah, what you said, UNOvven.
amber canyon
I doubt its chronos
fossil quartz
Some kinda space-time-meddler dude at least. π€·
fossil quartz
Speaking across vast distances seems to be an ability possessed by pretty much all the gods.
Seeing, too, at least to some extent.
sick grove
I'm sure we'll get an update with him as a character. Maybe even a new trinket as well.
"Storyteller now narrates e v e r y t h i n g."
neat crow
a la Bastion?
fossil quartz
"Tap tap tap tap tap."
amber canyon
I mean
amber canyon
The narrator being a character has happened every game, so yeah
sick grove
"He hasn't stopped dashing since the fight started."
amber canyon
Itll happen
neat crow
Plot twist, the narrator this time is just a Logan Cunningham self-insert
bleak osprey
"He's.... really just going to keep dashing, isn't he? Look at him go."
ghjgkfd they just get all the narrator dialogue by recording logan watching gameplay stuff
neat crow
I can't wait to get Logan's keepsake 
empty ivy
Has anyone unlocked the third skelly yet?
neat crow
Yes, people have
empty ivy
Is there a screenshot of it?
neat crow
Hmmmm 
I haven't personally seen any, but that's not to say they don't exist
amber canyon
Not as far as Im aware
neat crow
@chrome narwhal No, Persephone has not yet appeared in the game, aside from one bit of dialog where she wasn't actually present
chrome narwhal
oh! akjxjs i cant wait
will be so funny to ser her arguing with hades or if she is the stepmother, i wonder if she will hate the main character or love him
fading brook
anybody else betting sheβs voiced by ashley barrett
visual laurel
She's not; her VA credit is already listed as Kelly Moore
the list of VAs is in the pinned posts here ^^
neat crow
She has one section of dialog during the flashback scene that is voiced
cedar parcel
I unlocked the pact desk while having only 1400 Darkness. Now instead of making the game harder, it's just 6% bonus Darkness. That feels a bit strange
lunar axle
BTW, Cronus the father of gods and the previous Titan king, and Chronos the personification of time are two different beings in the classic myths
Brushing back on Chronos, some readings place him before even Chaos
But the more mainstream place him after
To sum up, the second place of worst dad ever on myth, Cronus, wasn't a god of time
leaden canyon
zagreus-son-hades, prince of the underworld, wore red on the day he was to escape tartarus
vast basin
gotta hide all those bloodstains somehow
lunar axle
Hades doesn't even make the worst top 5 dads. Comparatively speaking with Uranus, Cronus, Zeus and Poseidon, and that one guy who cooked his own son to serve him to the gods, Tantalus.
Hades is definitely on the top 10 tho
visual laurel
i found out recently that tantalus wasn't even the only guy who cooked his kid and tried to serve him to the gods
a dude named Lycaon did exactly the same thing
and for the same reason - to see if the gods knew everything
so...top 6 bad dads, because apparently child-cooking is, like. a Thing
still, they're uh, they're all pretty bad, and certainly hades doesn't deserve to be let off the hook just because the father they all locked in tartarus tried to eat them
did eat them.
like, are there worse people than hades, sure, but does that really...mmm...does it matter that there are technically worse people out there, when hades is berating zagreus for being witless and clumsy and for being friendly with the dog, and for not being tough enough, and for not being "godly" enough, and laughing at him when he messes up, and being spiteful and petty.....
you know.
all the Stuffβ’ hades does.
fading brook
hades is very uh. at least super neglectful, as well as takes his personal stuff out on his son, itβs like...wow no wonder zagreus wants out!
of course the game isnβt finished yet or anything but i think zagreus doesnβt have any sort of obligation to forgive his dad
visual laurel
on the bright side, at least zag had achilles and nyx
and hypnos seems...obnoxious but not malicious lol
obsidian basin
RUNS IN HERE INSTEAD
visual laurel
CONGRATS
obsidian basin
IM SO HAJFKFGJKG HAPPY
visual laurel
that first hydra win is always such a rush
obsidian basin
i lucked out at the final hydra stage tho coz half the heads were the headbutting ones so no funny bloodless business
Thank u!!! Now i have beaten hydra with all the weapons π
π
π puts bow aside FOREVER
visual laurel
aw i love the bow!
i've always liked the bow though. uvu achilles would be disappointed in me,
obsidian basin
It grew on me π but not enuf to replace the spear in my heart
visual laurel
achilles would, conversely, be proud of you
obsidian basin
Thank u achilles senpai!!!
visual laurel
you're battle buddies
visual laurel
probably εΈ«ε , haha
i've never managed to enjoy the spear....don't like getting that close to enemies! no thanks
obsidian basin
Omg π
I lov smackin em around
I think thats why i also like aphro builds coz like... i always get hurt... so the damage reduction is π
visual laurel
athena also gives damage reduction
obsidian basin
Also i just discovered that u can bother mr wretched broker by running into him and making him wiggle
visual laurel
omg...
i know you can bug him by not buying anything
he gives you the 
emote gkjdfgfd
visual laurel
< how dare you not enjoy my extremely unfavorable deals
obsidian basin
JFKSHF mr broker please
Also bless Zagreus, running into the broker: pardon
Beg your pardon
My fault
Sorry
visual laurel
zag is so polite!!!! he's such a good boy
calls everybody sir or ma'am or master
i imagine hades gave him a Talk at some point, about respecting his elders or something, and zag was like "no way old man", and then later achilles had pretty much the same talk with him and he was like "yes sir, of course sir"
obsidian basin
YES
visual laurel
hades: you will respect your elders and your superiors, you will respect guests, and you will respect me. i am your father, boy, and the lord of this realm. address me as such.
zag: you don't get to lecture me on manners, old man
achilles, later: you know, it really is best to offer respect to others first, as long as they have done nothing to show they aren't worthy of respect.
zag: yes sir, absolutely, sir.
visual laurel
to be fair, achilles has, like, earned that respect, lol
obsidian basin
Greatest hero ever!! With a wall scroll and everything!! But heβs also so nice
visual laurel
achilles: it's best to be respectful
achilles, remembering agamemnon: ........as long as the other person hasn't, you know, committed any atrocities.
obsidian basin
HKFHJDJF
smoky tusk
what if we found agamemnon burning in hell ashphodel
visual laurel
achilles: if they mess with your loot it's open season
hahahahaha
god.
he got what was coming to him in life. i'm not sure it's agreed upon where he went after death
smoky tusk
also, I can't not read what yall are saying in the respective characters' voices
it's so good
maybe the "lad" and "mate" brushed off achilles on to zag π
visual laurel
aha, it is not clear where agamemnon is
since it looks like odysseus kinda just pulled up to the edge of the underworld and then sacrificed a bunch of animals to entice the dead to come see what was going on
Then came the spirits of Achilles and Patroclus and of Antilochus and Ajax, who was handsomest and had the best physique,Β of all the Greeks, next only to Achilles the sprinter.
two notes:
- this is so funny. "yeah ajax was pretty hot but, no offense, achilles was better looking."
- sgg let them be together. they're together. please,
smoky tusk
achilles is such a darling of the myth
and by extension the modern culture surrounding it
visual laurel
odysseus knows a fine man when he sees one
i think this is taking place in Asphodel, maybe
smoky tusk
having learned some of those myths in school, I've never heard of elysium or ashphodel, only tartarus
I don't think I've heard the name styx as well. I knew there was a river tho
visual laurel
For those arms Ajax lies beneath the earth, whose looks and deeds were best of all the Greeks after Achilles, son of Peleus.
just in case you forgot in the last few lines, odysseus wants to make triple-sure that you know achilles is more handsome than ajax, and it has nothing at all to do with the fact that odysseus and ajax were last seen throwing hands,
wow, I thought the styx was pretty famous. with the band and everything
and the disney movie
visual laurel
aaah, i see
i can't remember how much greek myth i studied in school π€ mostly i read it on my own, i think, but it's been a while
smoky tusk
I don't know where you live, but would they teach greek myth in school?
visual laurel
I think so! There was a book I know the underclassmen at my high school read (I didn't because I came in later). Edith Hamilton's mythology
the Iliad and Odyssey are really common as school reading too
smoky tusk
interesting. we're talking high school right?
smoky tusk
wow, had no idea
visual laurel
i'm really hoping we can see odysseus in hades
i know there's no way there will be time or budget to make...like...every single character, but patroclus and odysseus were achilles' last two brain cells and that's got to count for something, right
smoky tusk
he's such a prolific figure, I'll be sort of surprised if we didn't
this is where you're wrong
visual laurel
i'm still laughing at that codex entry that's like "right....pomegranates. they're full of....antioxidants? look zag i don't know, they just taste good"
smoky tusk
achilles had no brain cells to begin with
visual laurel
yeah exactly, odysseus and patroclus WERE his brain cells
smoky tusk
(yeah, I know what you mean)
visual laurel
heheheh
smoky tusk
man it's been like 6 years since I read those texts
visual laurel
"achilles, why did you tell your mother to tell zeus to let the greeks all die" "patroclus wasn't here and he's like 90% of my impulse control"
smoky tusk
hades sort of brings it back
I often dislike pop culture based on greek myth. often way too cheesy
visual laurel
π’ if odysseus got to go to the underworld and meet all his heroes we should too
smoky tusk
yeah, once patroclus was gone, it was all over for achilles' sanity
visual laurel
i mean obviously patroclus dying upset him deeply but i feel like even if patroclus is absent for an hour or two, you don't know what achilles might get up to lol
it's a good thing he matured a lot after he died
he's had a few centuries to chew on that
or, however long it's been
smoky tusk
who knows. lot of time to reflect when you, you know, have ALL the time
visual laurel
he was already regretting it by the time of the odyssey
he said he'd rather live as a slave to some poor farmer on earth than die in glory and be revered by the dead
smoky tusk
ah yes
visual laurel
buyer's remorse, that
visual laurel
he did technically have a choice...at least it was framed as a choice
if nothing else, he had enough of a choice to regret having chosen
smoky tusk
ah yeah, the one his mother provided him?
smoky tusk
don't quite recall
visual laurel
which is where we get lines like....what was it
"...I was a fool, you see. The gods promised me eternal glory beyond death. I could have stayed out of the war. Stayed home with Patroclus. I threw everything away. And sent so very many to this place."
lean lantern
quick question. Does early access saves your progress for the official release?
usually it's a no
smoky tusk
they said they don't want to erase progress
lean lantern
yay! I love them
smoky tusk
will only happen if it is necessary
lean lantern
Well, I think it should be good either ways. The game isn't super long anyways. Probably many will finish it before official release (if they didn't already)
Super excited thou for upcoming update
smoky tusk
that's the cool thing about stuff that's under itteration
there's always more to look forward to
visual laurel
i'd like to imagine that sgg looked at the cast for this game and, other than hades and the narrator, who of course have to be logan, they were like "ok who's going to be our obligatory heartthrob" and then gave logan achilles too
lean lantern
lol
smoky tusk
and 50% of the rest is darren
honest coral
visual laurel
god. yeah. this is the first major VA we've heard from darren, isn't it?
like, he voiced Tariq but that was all in Sahrian
visual laurel
yeah.
smoky tusk
how voices in pyre are
lean lantern
honestly I'm amazed about their design MORE than anything
The artwork is just unbelievable
it's mesmerizing, a true masterpiece
visual laurel
jen gets better and better with every game, and joanne's work is so atmospheric
lean lantern
they topped up they Pyre artwork tbh
lean lantern
(I don't know the team names) but they're absolutely top 1 studio
visual laurel
jen zee is the lead artist; joanne does environmental art
joanne designed the new tartarus rooms
smoky tusk
yaeh, jen does most of the 2d art iirc
lean lantern
ohh, well, I hate her for the second floor map (lava ones) lol
smoky tusk
visual laurel
Camilo does the 3D animation
(all the names and jobs are listed in the readme, btw)
lean lantern
oooo okay, will check i
smoky tusk
though they are hiring 3d animators iirc
visual laurel
yeah, they are
smoky tusk
so there's only greater greatness to come
lean lantern
I wish to join but I have no talent except in writing as I've been doing it for years. I suck at designing and still on my beginner way in terms of programming
visual laurel
voice acting credits are pinned in this channel too, mazz
smoky tusk
you'll get there mazz, I believe
lean lantern
Ohh I see, yes, the voice acting is so calming and nice as well. It suits every character's personality. So yay
@smoky tusk wohoho, hope so lol
smoky tusk
leaden canyon
i may not be there to punch you
but i can hurt you in other ways
ehm
the game won't be out before a year at the very least
smoky tusk
obsidian basin
I return from backreading about odysseus makin sure. Makin sure we knew achilles was the MOST handsome. MOST everything
lean lantern
Ah yes I know about that Salvo lol
visual laurel
achilles liked odysseus! not enough to spare the greeks. but he liked him!
and odysseus got achilles' armor after the war. ajax never forgave him π
obsidian basin
π F
visual laurel
it's ok, one of them ended up dead and one didn't so, guess who the gods liked more, in the end
leaden canyon
the gods are fickle
visual laurel
they sure are! athena had her boy's back though
obsidian basin
Awh i just read that he was the one with odysseus who helped bury achilles with patroclus
π
Oh wait heβs also the one who falls upon his sword
F
visual laurel
ajax was always second banana to achilles. odysseus was in 3rd
achilles outstripped the other warriors by so much it was kind of ridiculous
odysseus and ajax were much more evenly matched
i think it's cool to start hades with athena's patronage
since she's traditionally the patron of heroes
obsidian basin
π
visual laurel
oh i was thinking about this earlier but i may as well say it here too i guess, it's interesting to think about that one myth about zagreus as a god who's torn apart and then reborn, in the context of, everyone around zag has been separated from someone they care about
plus the underworld itself seems to be falling apart
achilles and patroclus, orpheus and eurydice, hades and persephone, the underworld gods and the olympic gods, chaos and nyx
smoky tusk
zag is a super obscure figure in myth
visual laurel
no matter how...sour the relationship is
yeah, i know
there's not a lot to go on, which is definitely intentional
intentional choice on sgg's part i mean
smoky tusk
yeah, leaves space to do some character building free on preconceived notions
I mean, they already do characters how they want regardless sort of
visual laurel
yeah, for sure
smoky tusk
there are several versions of the myth
visual laurel
chaos, the eldritch monstrosity that knows everything, calls him son of hades
so unless they're toying with him needlessly, i feel like him being hades' son is pretty much canon
leaden canyon
hey don't call papa (mama?) chaos a monstrosity
visual laurel
p...parent
progenitor
i love chaos with all my heart but. them scary
they casually dropped that they could definitely read zag's mind if they wanted to, but they were going to be polite and ask with their words instead
frozen jolt
progenitor is a nice word
leaden canyon
i mean
maybe they're calling him son of hades because they don't want to interfere... too much
smoky tusk
it's weird, yet really sorta fitting the humanoid form they gave chaos
visual laurel
it's possible! though they got a laugh out of the olympian gods still thinking nyx was zag's real mom
smoky tusk
also, just skimmin through some myth of zagreus, that stuff's wild
frozen jolt
I think heβs just hadesβ son haha they share some physical characteristics
like their feet being always on fire
visual laurel
overly sarcastic productions, the youtube channel, has a cool video about dionysus that lists the three (3) sources we have on zagreus
yeah i'm pretty sure we have no reason to doubt that he's really hades' son
leaden canyon
you never know
visual laurel
now whether he's persephone's son, idk, though the heterochromia implies as much
leaden canyon
he's deffo persephone's
visual laurel
he's also definitely chthonic though
leaden canyon
it would be a kick in the balls otherwise
"oh hi zagreus your mother was nyx all along"
visual laurel
if he was a son of zeus and persephone, would he be able to use the underworld's power like he does?
persephone isn't Of The Underworld
and the phrasing nyx uses implies that darkness is a birthright power of chthonic gods
visual laurel
well, weirder things have happened
leaden canyon
"Hey Hades, remember when I turned into a bull?"
visual laurel
he could've also just sprung from hades
leaden canyon
"I don't want to talk about it."
visual laurel
like how zeus absorbed athena's mother and then athena just like
busted out of zeus' skull
visual laurel
but i do think he's Mixed, that seems like an intentional theme
smoky tusk
what a weird family
he does say "by my birthright" quite often
when accepting offerings of many sorts
visual laurel
yeah, the underworld lineage is pretty undeniable i think
it's not even just that he looks like hades, he powers up with darkness and accepts things in the name of hades
leaden canyon
now, one has to wonder why the rest of the olympians are helping chadeus
is it for fun?
ulterior motives?
who knows π€
visual laurel
oh god yeah i don't trust the olympians at all
visual laurel
personally i think they're just doing it for fun
visual laurel
yeah chaos said something like "i'm their EVERYTHING and they've forgotten me. don't put too much trust in the olympians"
smoky tusk
and they did say that she was trying to mend her broken family by helping you (zag)
which I found interesting
visual laurel
yeah...zeus said he was ready to forgive hades for some unknown slight
which, knowing zeus, is probably something he caused
leaden canyon
zeus did force his brother to rule the underworld
when the trio split the realms for themselves
visual laurel
yeah the olympians aren't exactly kind to the underworld in general lol
smoky tusk
that's in part because he was delegated to the underworld
visual laurel
the gods likely all have different motivations
smoky tusk
yeah, it's hard to imagine they are coordinated in their efforts to help zag
visual laurel
like off the top of my head,
-athena genuinely wants to reconcile the olympians and the chthonic gods
-artemis finds zag's situation relatable and wants someone around who understands her issues with her family
-zeus seems to be using zag as a bargaining chip or direct line to hades
-ares and aphrodite are here for the fun of it and not much else
smoky tusk
poseidon is just a cool uncle
visual laurel
poseidon is just hanging out because his brothers are involved and he doesn't wanna be left out
leaden canyon
broseidon
lunar kiln
He cant be left out bc he cant let zag think his brothers are cooler than him
lunar kiln
"One down, one more to go"
smoky tusk
visual laurel
meanwhile ares is just like "please take exhaustive notes on how you're killing all your enemies and send them to me. i've run out of bedtime stories."
"i'll give you a better boon if the pages have blood splatters on them."
leaden canyon
ares is going through the emo phase
"life is pain"
"i cut myself to lick the blood"
smoky tusk
yeah but the phase is like. all his life
leaden canyon
semantics
visual laurel
edgelord indeed
i got a boon convo with him once that was like
"i wonder if the dead feel pain like we do" and i was just 
leaden canyon
"bro i just wanna get out of here please"
obsidian basin
[siren sounds] ARES
smoky tusk
alert
obsidian basin
i need to photoshop that picture of the seagull βYAMEROβ and replace it with ares
smoky tusk
I uh. that wasn't intentional
lunar kiln
That one time chaos told me he could end my life if i wanted to
chrome narwhal
i wonder if gaia will appear
bleak osprey
"i could read your mind to find out what's wrong but i would rather hear it from you :3"
hybrid horizon
woven lance
w8 how did i get farthest chamber reached: 28?
onyx spoke
did you kill hydra
onyx spoke
it counts the next room as a chamber
bleak osprey
blood gates can mess with the counter
late nacelle
So ive never worked out, do blood gates skip a room or take you to the next room you should be going to
feral scroll
Unless I come across it early, I find it hard to risk taking a blood gate
smoky tusk
imo unless it's like a couple of rooms before hydra it's always worth it
and knowing what you got to face in the near future informs your decision
on what negative you can afford
feral scroll
Can you back out after talking to Chaos?
smoky tusk
no
feral scroll
I think that's more my issue, I guess
I can take -1 cast on meg, I can't take -4 health from dodging or -speed, yet sometimes those end up being the only options
feral scroll
Exactly
smoky tusk
but I'll still use blood gates in ashphodel
feral scroll
I think what bothers me is when Chaos is like "I merely offer a choice" Yet, once you see the options, you cant refuse
feral scroll
True
lime yoke
it probably wouldnt be that bad if we knew precisely at which stage we are/how many rooms to the boss left
smoky tusk
yeah
I think this is a problem somewhat unique to hades
compared to a lot of roguelikes
due to the chamber structure
lime yoke
it's also a problem with a really quick fix
lime yoke
but that'll be enough
feral scroll
Exactly
I dont usually buy the upgrades and such from the small shops, but if I were in range of it to benefit on Meg or Hydra and knew it, I would definitely buy em
A counter could be a pre-fix
smoky tusk
I'd like it if there were some landmarks in levels
feral scroll
Maybe having a guaranteed room after a certain point, it would help
lime yoke
what if above each door it said the number
smoky tusk
like, how the rooms before meg/hydra are unique
feral scroll
Like say the megagorgon fight was guaranteed 5 rooms before Hydra
smoky tusk
I think minibosses are in guaranteed floors
feral scroll
Not always
smoky tusk
or they are in roughly the same place most of the time
feral scroll
I've definitely gotten a shop or miniboss option, they're in roughly the same, but not always the same
lime yoke
yeah they're either there or not but usually at the same point
smoky tusk
I can always instictively tell when I'm about to fight twin bombers/murderboat
feral scroll
Murderboat I can never catch, and it's my least favorite lol
But if we could have like
"Murderboat or Megagorgon is always 5 floor before Hydra" then it could make strategizing a bit easier
woven lance
murderboad huh? fetting name
feral scroll
It would fit with the current mood of Zag being lost in the corridors, as there is no consistent counter, and rewards people who pay attention and try to strategize more
lime yoke
but i dont want them to be guaranteed encounters XD
smoky tusk
I definitely think there is some space to be explored
with regards to the "architecture" of a run
it's really simple atm
I think there can be some "guaranteed" rooms with a patern. and experienced players could be able to recognize those
maybe not guaranteed rooms
but I believe they can come up with something interesting
lime yoke
part of what i like about this game is that i dont always have to fight the miniboss, and i can skip the bombers
feral scroll
Reflecting off other roguelikes, Gungeon has the guarantee of access to their secret rooms in floors 1, 2 and 3 assuming you meet the requirements for them
Having guaranteed elements in a run can help
smoky tusk
yeah, that's cool
feral scroll
Also true
lime yoke
maybe guaranteed in this exact room, but not guaranteed as an encounter
feral scroll
Maybe some architecture warning before the room, so you still have the option, and it marks out the room as "hey, you're 5 floors to the boss?"
smoky tusk
For a start, I think the minibosses could be distinguishable from normal rooms
Atm, the have the elite icon
That all elite rooms have
feral scroll
But the elite icon also shows up on general rooms that just have only armored enemies
feral scroll
I think the challenge rooms being a surprise is still a good thing
lime yoke
i have yet to get something other than an onion, so i do not share this sentiment
smoky tusk
Btw, this is definitely a talk for #h1-builds-and-combat
lime yoke
eh
feral scroll
You right
lunar kiln
lunar kiln
wow hypnos https://i.imgur.com/Sz2B9e5.jpg
hallow flicker
Classic Hypnos
bleak osprey
lunar kiln
chaos calls you a tool https://i.imgur.com/GayKQGY.jpg
lunar kiln
yeah but they still called me a tool
tardy cedar
what if you are
lunar kiln
π
tardy cedar
mood
feral scroll
Chaos is that voice in your head like "they're all messing with you for just their own benefits"
violet summit
What does descending do? π€
violet summit
Ye
lime yoke
you get to meet up with Chaos
tardy cedar
then you'll get π₯
violet summit
I have ambrosia :0
lime yoke
:V
leaden canyon
who would win
violet summit
I'm making it my personal goal to give it to everyone before giving it to Hades
lime yoke
thats a great goal
violet summit
Danke, I'll be going in the hole now o7
lime yoke
aw you cant on the first time
violet summit
Aw
lime yoke
you'll be able next time
kinda makes sense that you dont just shove the bottle into the PO box of someone you don't even know xD
violet summit
I'm a generous god u-u
lime yoke
idk if you caught that, i dont remember if they tell you what it is, but this place is the blood gate
and you can get easier access to those via well shop
violet summit
π€ ohh ok
feral scroll
Shop can guarantee blood gates, and the ambrosia opens up the possibility of a chaos-focused run
stable hound
yeah having the blood gate have an actual purpose besides skipping rooms you dont want to do is great
I kept going down there hoping to find a rare something and never got anything good
I have similarly been refusing to give Hades any ambrosia because he is a buttface @violet summit
he wil get one.... eventually.
feral scroll
I gave everyone an ambrosia before playing favorites
violet summit
Don't care if his item is the coolest
feral scroll
Even dear old dad
violet summit
He's getting it last regardless lol
stable hound
...I may or may not have given Dusa all my ambrosia until I maxed her level
bleak osprey
hades doesn't give a keepsake
feral scroll
Then Cerberus because he's SUCH a good boi
and then Meg because what a babe
bleak osprey
i gave everyone except hades one for keepsakes, now i'm maxing everyone out (got achilles first bc i love Him) and THEN hades will get an ambrosia
violet summit
You can give ambrosia to Dusa??
stable hound
yes
violet summit
Fug I need to find her asap
feral scroll
Ambrosia, then talk
stable hound
I gave her like all of mine until she wouldnt take it anymore xD
I gave Meg a couple because I feel bad I have to keep killing her and she gets yelled at for it
and ofc Cerberus got one early on. He is a good boy
Xaph, make sure you give her the ambrosia before you talk to her or she will run away embarassed before you can give it to her
feral scroll
I want Zag to date Meg
SG plz
violet summit
Ye ye Born I did
stable hound
Dusa's crush on Zag is so cute lol
violet summit
Let's be honest, who wouldn't crush on Zag tho
stable hound
he is a very handsome dude
digital crag
achilles
violet summit
And his voice actor is just too good
violet summit
Achilles def has a crush on Zag too :P
digital crag
he's too hung up on his bf
violet summit
Well it's more like a master-student crush
hallow flicker
Give him some time, he will come around π
stable hound
^
leaden canyon
It's part of the themes of the game, how Zagreus has both a surrogate mother and a somewhat surrogate father in Nyx and Achilles
lunar kiln
i cant ship achilles and zag together it's just wrong
feral scroll
I like how he found out the truth, yet still forgave Nyx
hallow flicker
Are you sure Belgo?!
leaden canyon
If you found out today that your mother is not your mother
leaden canyon
Would you be angry with her?
violet summit
the truth
Guys I got this game spoiled before even knowing it existed, should I share?
lunar kiln
i mean i used to until i found out about the entire patroclus story
at this point i was like nooOOPE
leaden canyon
share what
violet summit
Greek mythos are a few thousand years old
bleak osprey
i still ship it because i love Angst
violet summit
I know Zag's story
leaden canyon
No you don't
stable hound
they arent gunna make the same story tho
leaden canyon
there's 3 different versions
leaden canyon
Yep
stable hound
theres a few translations and such
leaden canyon
In one version Zeus is the father, not hades
leaden canyon
We discussed it earlier today
feral scroll
Shrug
stable hound
well yeah I would get over it but I wouldnt be over it the next day like Zag
it would take me a bit
leaden canyon
He's kinda distracted
hallow flicker
The true twist is...
It was the Onion all along, as the Egg predicted!
leaden canyon
If you get what i mean
violet summit
I mean, she was forced to pretend
stable hound
violet summit
It was all Hades' ploy
stable hound
@leaden canyon with escaping? Or with one of the other denizens of the underworld 
leaden canyon
With escaping -_-
stable hound
lol
stable hound
Zagsa?
leaden canyon
Ah, ships... how to bring cancer to an otherwise enlightened discussion
leaden canyon
NO MATING
hallow flicker
NO FUN ALLOWED!
violet summit
Although my ship is Artezeg, no questions
stable hound
no no no it doesnt have to invlve that
violet summit
It 100% has to involve that, knowing Greek mythos
stable hound
well... okay to be historically accurate yes
but like.... you dont have to ruin my pure ships like that Xaph :(
tardy cedar
only ship is bouldy x sisy
violet summit
Sooo does this game allow you to make story-altering decisions?
tardy cedar
as of now, no
runic terrace
nooooo idea yet
violet summit
Are there any plans to?
tardy cedar
i mean like, it's difficult to have a roguelike with story choices
violet summit
My hope is that they don't want to spoil it too much
How do you mean?
This game has a perfect setup for story choices
The ambrosia system + a big character cast
You could pull off something similar to Pyre
violet summit
Relationships can differ
Who's your favourite uncle? Your favourite cousin?
Who do you laugh with? Who do you vent at?
tardy cedar
I laugh at myself
violet summit
Sound strategy
runic terrace
greg abt to get a visit from an angry skeleton
fair light
Re: #h1-discussion on Skelly -- we don't condone or officially support this, and generally think it can worsen your experience to do this, but if you're trying to pick through all the content, the subtitle files are there for you.
scenic comet
If it helps, that's why I am asking you directly instead of digging :B
fair light
I think we are discouraging discussion of data-mined information on this server so please don't take what I just said as an invitation to do that here. It's in response to a request that I list all content of a certain type.
scenic comet
(And outright suffering though over 1000+ runs to get the last blurb for Hades.)
scenic comet
I'm at 853 runs to go!
faint elk
(((dont kill me pls)))
neat crow
Plot twist, it's Cerberus
honest coral
scenic comet
I'd believe that one more if Hades called Zagreus a whelp.
faint elk
Your mum is the left head, dad is the right one and the middle one is Chronos
Supergiant admins: "STAY RIGHT THERE, FBI IS COMING AFTER YOU!"
honest coral
supergiant games wants to know your location
runic terrace
theyve got a supergiant gun
amber canyon
That doesnt boat well
runic terrace
meg: see you in tartarus
runic terrace
omg........hades cafe when
amber canyon
Our Food is to die for
runic terrace
hades black coffee.....zags got some kinda red juice drink.........meg got a blue rasperry ice shake....
cold canopy
cream of tartarus
amber canyon
Just dont let Hypnos create a drink there
amber canyon
Thats dangerous
digital crag
hypnos just gets an ambien
runic terrace
hypnos sleepytime tea!!!!
faint elk
DUSAS JUICE"AS
cold canopy
SLEEPYTIME TEA IS SO GOOD
runic terrace
YEEEEESSSSS
faint elk
yeah i am generelly bad at this
amber canyon
Achilles got hard liquor to forget your heartbreak
scenic comet
slides in.
runic terrace
imagine orderjng the hypnos special and the waiter takes the cover off ur playe like a cartoon n its one ambien
scenic comet
YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO FOODIE OVERLOAD? π
runic terrace
achilles chili
digital crag
ramen noodles
runic terrace
HDJGJG GO FOR IT
digital crag
his hair is. ramen
amber canyon
Nyx has the blackest tea you can imagine
amber canyon
Its said if you look into the cup
scenic comet
Because consider: Baklava. Honeyed dates. halloumi.