#h1-story-discussion | Supergiant Games | Page 27

pine zealot Dec 20, 2018, 10:17 PM

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the flavor being thanatos' chains and you get some cute dialogue with Sisyphus if you meet him with those weapons equipped

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like "oh where'd you dig up those old things?"

atomic forge Dec 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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I want a whip most

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Zagreus Belmont

hardy nymph Dec 20, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Get Megs Whip from pure hearting her maybe

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some sort of combo heavy brawler gauntlets would be fun

earnest mesa Dec 20, 2018, 10:51 PM

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i for one would not mind just punching my enemies to death w my bare hands-- YES exactly

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close enough to bare hands

hardy nymph Dec 20, 2018, 10:52 PM

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Not that they couldn't make a cool icon but I am trying ot imagine how to pick your own hands in the armory 😉 thats why I figured a cool pair of gauntlets would work

pine zealot Dec 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Zag: Man, I wish I could punch people with my fists...
Zag: Better unlock my Punching People Gloves...

hardy nymph Dec 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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color his clothes green, give him green boxing gloves and you got little mac haha

ashen crown Dec 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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punchout theme plays

earnest mesa Dec 20, 2018, 10:54 PM

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attach skelly's hands to your own hands

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"stop hitting yourself"

elfin dock Dec 20, 2018, 10:56 PM

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asdfghj

amber canyon Dec 20, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Id say Scythe is a safe bet though

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On a sidenote, the narrator should be someone Zag knows

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"Old man" is just him being flippant as always

pine zealot Dec 20, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Kronos is stuck in the depths of tartarus and all he can do down there is hang out in his son's house and make fun of his grandson

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:42 AM

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I finally got to hear Orpheus sing, am like slightly disappointed, in the sense that in every other supergiant game, the first singing was such a huge emotional scene,Bastion you find the first other human, sitting alone and singing, Transistor, you get to hear how Red used to sound while you look at what happened to the past,Pyre finally Tariq decides to sing after being such a quite background character as you journey after so long flying over everywhere youve been through.And in Hades its just kinda "I got my muse back i guess, heres a song"

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Imagine having to fight an emo teen
This post made by The Other Two Furies Gang

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:43 AM

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the redeeming part is that the song is still great

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But every SSG first singing before gave me chills, because of the whole set up, here i was like "thats cool"

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 12:46 AM

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maybe send that as feedback @pastel thicket

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:47 AM

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I never send feedback , cuz in a way, i feel like i cant match what supergiant knows about game design

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Honestly I'd imagine a lot of stuff like that is gonna change as the game gets longer?

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:47 AM

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probably sounds dum, cuz they wouldnt have that feedback channel set up otherwise

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yeh theres that part too, i dont know what their vision is

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when the game is finished

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 12:48 AM

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I feel the same way as you do a lot of the time Kiddo, but they asked us for our feedback so if you do feel strongly about something you should say it! Ultimately, our "expertise" or lack thereof doesn't necessarily affect how we feel playing the game, y'know?

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We're all playing it and our impressions are important to them, even if not in a "I know better than you and here's how you can fix this" kind of way haha

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:50 AM

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yeah you are right, i am just kinda scared of like putting a complaint, where am the minority who thinks that way, and ending up shaping the game in a worse way? or just wasting dev time

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 12:51 AM

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Let them worry about that, if something's really irrelevant, they'll know better than to waste time on it

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:51 AM

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This for me is the biggest fear of Hades as a Supergiants fan, its can they tell a story as well as before

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when the game is designed around a roguelike

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:54 AM

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yeah i love the song itself but the way it appeared felt like it kinda just fell in? im holding judgement until/if there's more vocal spngs tho

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:54 AM

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I feel like this will be the best gameplay wise supergiant game and weakest story wise

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yeah same

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and like when orpheus was first teasing about like

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"YOU KNOW I COULD SINGGGG"

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And you are like "Omgg"

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"but nah"

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:54 AM

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that said, WHO WOULD WIN: PLAYING HADES | LISTENING TO LAMENT OF ORPHEUS ON REPEAT is a dtrong battle

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:55 AM

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its like "oh man they are building something"

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:55 AM

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HFHFJH YEAH

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:55 AM

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but instead its just, gift 5 boons, plays a song

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ambrosias*...

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:55 AM

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hfjfjg i got it when it was bugged so it was just random music

cold canopy Dec 21, 2018, 12:55 AM

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lmao i never heard of that bug

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:55 AM

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like i remember every encounter in supergiant games

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for the first songs

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bastion first song when i was 11 gave me such huge goosebumps

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i think it was the point when i was like "mannn this is something different than what i usuaully play"

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:57 AM

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maybe I’m in the minority but I thought it was pretty impactful

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:57 AM

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its like a hugely important aspect of supergiant games for me

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:57 AM

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ooooh if it impacted you then it did its job!

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:57 AM

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but still damn, that song is good

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:58 AM

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yeah....chilling in the rooms as he sings is. hhhh

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:58 AM

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and when you go to your room

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Orpheus talking about how he refused to sing, had lost his inspiration and drive, everyone talking about when he used to sing like it was life changing, and then.... you die, frustrated and disappointed, and somethings different.

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:58 AM

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and it has that transistor echoe effect

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:58 AM

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I found it subtle, but the build up I thought was great, It catches you off guard and I just HAD to stop and listen

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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thats the great part about the singing in these games

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its always like an event

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and even tho you dont have too

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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the implication that somehow Orpheus had refound his inspiration, through US even, I 5ought was really beautiful and brought home how zag has effected Orpheus

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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i find myself always beinglke

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just put my controller down

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and just enjoy

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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it feels like I actually made a difference to Orpheus rather than just.... spamming him with ambrosia to unlock dialogue lmao

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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oooohhhhhhhh im glad!!!!

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thats very good and meaningful

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:59 AM

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thats nice, i wish i felt that way

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somethiing about the ambrosia system

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is a bit weird?

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i like it

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but its weird that to advance more story stuff

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i just have to find a lot of this random item

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 1:00 AM

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tbh I'm on the fence about the ambrosia

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:00 AM

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and give it to people

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and suddenly they like m

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instead of like having to do something specific to each person

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:01 AM

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the rest of the ambrosia things rn feel more.... aesthetic and add ons than like effecting the game or gameplay. Orpheus is the only one who’s had like a functional change with his full hearts as far as I know

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:01 AM

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to make them like me more

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 1:01 AM

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i like the ambrosia bc its fun to give ppl gifts

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:01 AM

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ambrosia is fun on a gameplay aspect to me

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but not so much story

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:01 AM

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I imagine in the future that will change but it helps me feel like I made more of an impact on him than just.... unlocking dialogue

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:01 AM

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Ahhh yes

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I mean I get why the ambrosia is there, it just feels weird to cram people full of God Meth until they tell you more about them

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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The old dating sim dilemma

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I do love the ambrosia! I just know character dialogue isn’t everyone’s thing, as having it make some fictional difference would make the relationships feel more real I think

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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At the end of the day giving characters gifts to advance your relationship with them is just. An easy step-wise way to build relationships and that can be regulated alongside the plot while also not being wholly out of the player's hands

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:02 AM

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yeh.. like id be cooler i think if like each person had their own problems and specific ways of helping them, tho i get its too ambitious

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and theres not enough time for that

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ambrosia is good cuz its general

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Reminds me of dragon age origins haha

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i mean i'd also love someone who kept giving me bars of solid gold,

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but it ends up feeling instrumental

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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its hard honestly

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i wouldn't know what to do if i was in their position

cold canopy Dec 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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i felt bad for giving ambrosia to orpheus cuz zag kept pestering him about singing lmao

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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orpheus better give me the best god damn song when i max his ambrosia

cold canopy Dec 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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I think the system works pretty well, but its also hard to tell what their full vision of the system is when its not complete

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Ofc all the dragon age games have "friendship quests" where at a certain point, someone trusts you enough to ask you to help them with something and your relationship progresses in that way. that's always a nice thing tbh

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:05 AM

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yeah i like that in mass effect

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its like you dont have to grind an item to make them like you

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you have to do a specific mission for them

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:05 AM

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and DA2 used a smaller system of personalized gifts you could find throughout other quests and then give, and they were way more meaningful

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:05 AM

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and you learn more about them

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and you actually develop a relationship through that mission

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tho, again, thats a AAA developer

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with a big budget

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also not sure how exactly that would work in a roguelike

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Unfortunately Hades isn't a game where you take the folks around you on missions so tbh the current "date" system would be closest - if those interludes could be expanded and focused on how the relationship between zag and the character is growing or changing it would work just as well I think

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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at least the characters and the writing are like top notch

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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They tell you something they've been struggling with, or ask you to do a favor for them on your run, etc etc

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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yeh yeh

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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if you could speak with the shades of relatives that could be something, for example

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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With Meg, i think it makes more sense that she would like you the more you fight with her

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than you giving her a drink

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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mmmm

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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after you killed her

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i mean, it wouldnt work now , because it would be a weird exception

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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i feel like meg...ambrosia definitely isnt the way to go but i feel like the only way she'll ever forgive you is if she can come to understand your viewpoint on her own, or if you stop running.

cold canopy Dec 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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maybe itd only work for the cthonic gods, but a cool way to tie the character development to the actual gameplay could be having a chance of finding information on characters inside chaos in the dark portals, which could mean you possibly risking some hp to get some more lore

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which could yknow further unlock more dialogue with them

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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that could be cool

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Kronos or whoever’s behind the chaos rooms the best wingman/woman/person

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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yeah!! that'd be cool although it might be a turnoff for some people, having to fight an extra challenge to learn a little something

cold canopy Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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yea i could see that

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but not all runs are meant to be the ones to get you out anyway

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which is why they havethe wall scrolls and coin purse keepsake and stuff

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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its really hard to do all these story mechanics

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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like there's a difference between encouraging variety, like the codices in transistor, and punishing or making the player jump through hoops for info

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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through a roguelike

cold canopy Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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yea thats true ven

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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the best part about the story that comes from the roguelike aspect

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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I mean I see the ambrosia system as largely optional rn anyway asides from keepsakes. a lot of the time u can skip ambrosia rooms so it’s only as important as it is to the player

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:11 AM

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is how many dialogues there are, and how they change compared to what happened in the run

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Meg saying like

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"I wish it didnt have to be this way"

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after so many times of you fighting her

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is kinda touching

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:14 AM

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yeah.... I think it’d be a good idea to have some sort of friendship quest or event that plays put through several runs. like a kind of character development thing, ie, dusa becoming more valued in hades, finding out who skelly is, Achilles reuniting with Patroclus, finding Orpheus lost love, reconciling with meg, etc...

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:14 AM

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maybe have the ambrosia system

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:15 AM

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I just feel like right now zag is effected by these characters, but I haven’t impacted on THEM a whole lot

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:15 AM

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but at some point

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like after you give half or smth

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:15 AM

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besides Orpheus with his singing, or at least that’s what I think

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:15 AM

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u have to do like a "sidequest" for them

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in order to be able to continue with the ambrosia

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but its also like, how do you do sidequests in a roguelike?

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:15 AM

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yeah!! things you can do on runs or have to talk to other characters to do or something.

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maybe just little things on runs? going through a specific path, taking certain items, talking to certain people, etc

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again, the system is so in progress we don’t really know how these things would work or what plans they have, but I think it’d be cool to see a bit more character arc stuff

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:16 AM

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Yeah thats what i was saying mufti!! I think the run aspect gives you like

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Everyone is trapped in the underworld, y'know

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A lot of them aren't trying to leave or even wander bc it's dangerous out there

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:17 AM

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yeah I think there’s opportunity for run based quests. like certain items appearing or finding certain shades, etc, etc

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:17 AM

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But you keep running off and while you're out there you can be a sort of way for those who are left behind to reach out

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:18 AM

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I JUST WANT ACHILLES AND PATROCLUS TO KISS AND MAKE UP LET ME HELP YOU ACHILLES

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esp since now in early access runs get a liiiitle repetitive and for just the fun of it, it’d give u an incentive to go through more runs, maybe even with specific builds to do story things

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:18 AM

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yeah!!!

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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but also it could be entirely optional! not everyone is about that character story stuff lmao

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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We can be the Ariadne for everyone

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and let them out from the labyrinth

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that is hell

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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zag, fixing everyone else’s problems because he can’t fix his own

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:19 AM

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I honestly think running errands of some sort + having more in-depth conversations based on some combo of "number of conversations had", "progress through the game", etc would be good

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we've workshopped this a lot, is it ready for its own feedback post? :')

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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i would kill for more character content and dialogue. i loved the stuff that we get in the early access stuff but now whenever i go back to hades, its mostly stock dialogue : (

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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the dating sim is real

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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“zagreus can you get the milk on your way up” “IM NOT COMING BACK DAD” “okay when you die, the milk”

stark tulip Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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Ohhhh like “deliver this item to Achilles” type deal

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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Or something, yeah

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Or deliver messages

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Or find things

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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get the shopping list zag

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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would it be like a randomly generated item

stark tulip Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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Maybe getting some specific boons or something

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:20 AM

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that you may or may not find

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challenge runs would be fun

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:21 AM

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No I'd say it should be specific

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And meaningful

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:21 AM

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someone mentioned we getting to elysium at some point or whatever the hero fields are called, and finding shades of characters connected to others, ie perseaus with dusa, Patroclus with Achilles and etc would be rlly cool

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I feel like the concept of shades is amazing but hasn’t been utilised much and I’m hoping to see more in future updates with it

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:21 AM

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(if patroclus is in elysium, anyways)

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:21 AM

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have you seen in like binding of isaac theres a challenge run where the game starts you at the final boss with max items, and you backtrack through the bosses and lose one item at a time

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:21 AM

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like we have all these dead people!! LET ME TALK TO THEM

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oooo finding Patroclus as a random encounter looking for Achilles would be cool

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:22 AM

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i just wanna see odysseus

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:22 AM

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🅱ood

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:22 AM

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i wonder if we would find people

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and bring them back

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like wats her face for orpheus

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:22 AM

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Patroclus: have you seen my boyfriend Achilles??? I’ve been looking for him for ages
zag: uhhhhhh

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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GOD DAMN IT MUFT WE NEVER AGREED ON THE BOYFRIEND PART

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I know its ancient greece but we dont knowww yet

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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give!! achilles! his! boyfriend! back!

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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looool

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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if zag cant kiss achilles, someone has to

stark tulip Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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zag has enough issues getting out of his own house to worry about getting others out imo

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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KISS AND MAKE UP!!!!! ACHILLES YOU ABSOLUTE DEPRESSED FOOL UR BF LOVES AND FORGIVES U

stark tulip Dec 21, 2018, 1:23 AM

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get your stuff together little dude

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 1:24 AM

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YEAH.....get those achkissies patroclus uou

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:24 AM

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The game is all about patroclus and achillies after all

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zag getting out of hell is just a side story

pale pike Dec 21, 2018, 1:24 AM

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@sour pike The one time reward for beating the bosses is gifting them and getting their Keepsake (at least in Meg's case)

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:25 AM

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Oh wow ven

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:25 AM

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whatever the mythology is kiddo, the game's pretty unambiguous about achilles and patroclus' relationship in its own canon lmao

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:25 AM

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nice feedback

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i would never think of that

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( ❤ )

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:26 AM

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hahahaha well we were all talking about it!

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I figured it should be actually submitted :P

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:26 AM

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thnx for being the brave one and phrasing it well

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i have like only 2 ambrosia with achillies

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 1:27 AM

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Dont you have to talk to them a certain number of times before you can give them ambrosia?

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:28 AM

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Nope

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You can give them ambrosia anytime

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:28 AM

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am confused a bit actually

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it syas like

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"talk with them 90 times to unlock more lore"

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or smth

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but i can max friendship or watever with ambrosia

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so is it just to get like a bit extra wiki stuff about each character?

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:30 AM

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i don't think so? I thought convos and ambrosia were functioning in the same way rn

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Ambrosia is a shortcut through all those convos

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:30 AM

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ooooohhh

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i had no idea

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 1:31 AM

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maybe the talking more removes the chains on some of the hearts?

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i haven't played enough to test that out ahaa

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but ambrosia fills up the empty unchained hearts

pastel thicket Dec 21, 2018, 1:32 AM

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I think thats like early access locks, am really not sure tho

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 1:32 AM

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yeah im not sure either 😂

queen sierra Dec 21, 2018, 1:48 AM

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dusas side quest: she asks for a raise

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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GOOD

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Dusa: "um, excuse me miss, c-can I have a r-raise?"
Nyx: "lolno"
Dusa: flies into oblivion

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 1:54 AM

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I think you’re right about the chained hearts

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But side quests do also sound fun

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 2:02 AM

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HEY GUYS
I BEAT THE HYDRA

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IN....NEARLY 100 RUNS JGJGKG it was 90something i forgot exactly what

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:02 AM

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congrats

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what kind of setup did you use?

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Good job

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~~Now beat it 10 more times~~

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 2:04 AM

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nahhh i think ill take a break till new content, or at least not worry abt winning

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OH ALSO it was sword

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:05 AM

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nice

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Surprisingly, thats not even that great of a build

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Pretty bad RNG

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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u did it and u still had death defiance, nice!

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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Looks like a pretty decent Sword Special build, I've had success with a similar one

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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Well its mostly that Heartbreak Flourish is the worst special upgrade

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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can we call it the Dominance build instead of sword special

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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And few additional upsides

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Although, heavens Revenge is good I suppose

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Not sure on the context for that, gee willikers 😆

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Has there been any talk in game about zag’s eye?

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Nnnope

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 2:17 AM

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i assumed it was part of his emo aesthetic

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:18 AM

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They talk a little about it in the trailer so I thought it was important

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But they haven’t brought it up since

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 2:19 AM

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i figured hades' eyes looked like that so

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but he's not as grey as the other cthonic gods so that's probably a design choice to hint at persephone or smth w the heterochromia and skintone, since the other cthonic gods are more like, bluetinted

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 2:19 AM

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I think that's just his spooky darkness magic, like his cast

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:20 AM

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ok but when does he get to shoot laser beams from his red eye?

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 2:20 AM

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that's how the cast actually works

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/throws eye lasers at people

stark tulip Dec 21, 2018, 2:22 AM

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undertale eye joke here

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Yeah, I think the eye is tied to the Bloodstones in some way

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Bit surprised people are against a consistent first choice on god boons

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:23 AM

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I think it makes it too predictable

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Good for speed runs but kind of goes against the spirit of a rougelite

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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I mean, right now you usually have 3 out of 4 options at the start

runic terrace Dec 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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its bc a red eye was a great design choice on tamitha but she as a person was terrible so they gave the eye design a redemption arc

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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So it doesnt make it a ton more predictable

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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I'm glad that they got rid of Obol as the first room reward, but other than that I'm happy with how it is

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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It also means that you can just get a run thats screwed all together

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I also would heavily disagree that it goes against the spirit of a roguelite, because all the good roguelites on the market guarantee that you get a usable build early on

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:25 AM

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not every run has to be perfect, not every selection has to be good for every situation ¯_(ツ)_/¯

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Gungeon guarantees a weapon on the first floor, Dead Cells starts you out with one

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Its less "Every run has to be perfect" and more "this might be the first time I fail to kill the Hydra in 12 runs because my build literally didnt come together"

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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that's fine I think

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:26 AM

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For the record, I didnt fail to kill the Hydra because I got lucky in Asphodel, but I had to get lucky in Asphodel

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Like, 2 consecutive god challenges with just the right gods levels of lucky

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I just feel there is nothing to gain from giving a player only the option to upgrade the one part of the kit they likely wont use at all

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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I prefer to think of it as incentivising trying new strategies

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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but the 1st boon always gives 3 options

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do you mean the hammer might focus on only one? cause that's different

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Thing is, especially if you already have a hammer upgrade

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That other strategy just means you wasted a hammer upgrade

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Alternatively you could move the hammer upgrade back a little, but thats less fun

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It also doesnt work because some strategies are actively unworkable, like Shield special

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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ok well if you have 4 options and are comitted to using only 1, sometimes your selection of upgrades won't have what you want

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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The problem is the game heavily incentivizes comitting to only using one

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You actually get punished for trying to branch out

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Hm, that could be a feedback

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:30 AM

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I feel like roguelikes and roguelites are about making the best of what you're given, so having the rewards always benefit your potential build is taking away from that

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:31 AM

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They are, but they also are about giving you a start to ensure that every run can conceivably win

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How it wins, and how easily, thats what the roguelite part is there for

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But you shouldnt ever feel like winning is just not possible

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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I don't think that's true. Not every run should be winnable on pure strategy in a roguelike

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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So no, having the option to always choose what you start out with doesnt take away from that at all

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You still will get a lot more potential random options down the line that define how that particular run pans out

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It just means that whatever you end up with at least works

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Yeah, some roguelikes/lite runs are meant to be doomed to failure

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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You can influence your starting one with certain trinkets no?

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Only what god you get

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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If you want a guarantee, then it shouldn't even be a randomized starting reward, it should just be an upgrade in the armory or mirror

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Well no, because then you cant react to the hammer upgrades

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And eh, Ive played a lot of gungeons and Dead Cells

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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I think every run is winnable in Hades

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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There should ideally be (in a full game) hours of runs before you complete the full thing

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Runs never become runs you cant win

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Imo

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Ehh

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Unfortunately with how messy the Hydra fight is

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As well as some of the RNG you might encounter a long the way

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There are unwinnable runs in Hades

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Idk why people want this game to be easier haha

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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literally unwinnable?

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I doubt it

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Lets say, unwinnable without a TAS setting

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Oh I dont want the game to be easier

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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I doubt that as well

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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I just want it to be more fun

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 2:35 AM

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i think when they work out the kinks in weapon and boon balancing, branching out and the RNG with boons will be less run defining

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:35 AM

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I wonder

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:35 AM

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I think part of the fun is the dying and going back, i don’t think they should make good boons more likely or anything like that

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:35 AM

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I thought about it, but the problem is with how the game works, at its most fundamental, branching out suffers numerous critical issues

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:36 AM

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We also are getting more weapons eventually

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:36 AM

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The biggest one is that you can always only use one thing

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:36 AM

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And I think they will probably always be run defining

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:36 AM

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So your special has to have a situation where its useful

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And that situation has to come up a lot

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Without the regular attack handling the situation just as well if you dont lose damage

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And uh, the only weapon that might be true for is ironically sword

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The second-best you get is the special being an alternative to the attack, but still not used in tandem

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Like the spear

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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I agree there, it’d be nice if you had to use every mechanic a weapon gives you

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Or at least should

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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Its further amplified by Poms of Power

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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Be so often that’s not the case

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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You only get a limited amount of them

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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I think that might have more to do with playstyle than the game mechanics themselves. Yes, there's still balancing to be done, but it's perfectly feasible to use all methods of attack regardless of boons if you want to. One method of attack might do the most damage, but that doesn't mean there isn't a way to effectively work in the others in between, and this often has good results in my experience

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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And you dont want to spread the damage

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Because again

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Only one thing at a time

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You lose damage if you try to branch out thanks to poms of power

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Yeah I feel like you can win going special and cast focused builds but it will always be easier if you focus on attack

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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And of course Hammer

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But thats a given

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There just is never a situation, if youre using spear, to use Special and the regular attack

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Its one or the other

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Except in early rooms

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Yeah poms really do encourage doubling down, as it’s always the better choice. You can just not, but you want to be able to win/give yourself the best shot

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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And you actively get punished if you try to branch out

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Because bosses are balanced around those players who do stack everything up

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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if every run we use all 3 attack types, that's not as interesting as using one on one run and another on the next. I don't think you should always get railroaded into focusing exclusively on a single attack type, but sometimes focusing on one, sometimes using a combination of two, and other times using all as situation calls for is most interesting because it's the most variety

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Hydra would be hell if you were to try and split evenly

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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What are your guys thoughts on allowing to boons to stack on the same abilility?

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Too much damage

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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I think that would get op real quick

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Way too much damage

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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@nimble stone I don't think it is a good idea

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Yeah makes sense

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Also too much utility

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Yeah exacerbates the problem we were talking about

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Now the problem here is that this is a "problem" that is lined throughout the very design

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Its hardly realistic that they could fix it, since that would mean redesigning everything

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And I dont think it inherently is a big enough problem for that to be warranted

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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So maybe what it comes down to @amber canyon is that there needs to be more boons that affect all/multiple attack types (there are a few already), or modify the existing ones for the same effect

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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But it does not bode very well for future levels if Im entirely honest

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Mm, in the end it’s more of a preference for greater variety in run style

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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maybe a limit on pom levels would be in order, and perhaps allow multiple hammer upgrades but have them split into groups, so if you pick an upgrade that improves your attack on the 1st than the 2nd would only give you options that affect the special, or vice versa

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Basically

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Or more stuff like Hammers

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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But I don’t think anyone would knock if we had it

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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You could have the run start out with one hammer upgrade

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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maybe one hammer per zone

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Then continously get further and further, upgrading more parts of your kit

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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I think one hammer per region might be ok

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Honestly what I would do, if I could redesign the whole thing

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Is to make Specials, well, Special

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Give em a cooldown

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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and maybe something like lvl 5 max on boons, so eventually you branch out as you get farther into the game

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Make them something you use alongside your attack, rather than instead of

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Honestly the spear spin attack feels like more of a special than the actual special 😆

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Yeah that’d be interesting

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And lol

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 2:43 AM

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only time I use the spear special is when I get the huge damage boost against armor

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 2:43 AM

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i mean, maybe the name "special" is a bit misleading but i like the simple versatility of having a weapon with multiple functions

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Guaranteed crit is good too

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I mean I do like the versatility

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But as it is, unfortunately, they cut into each other

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Yeah, and runs usually highly incentivise the use of only one or two of them

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:44 AM

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An alternative would be to have them combo with each other somehow?

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Like actual button combos for unique moves?

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Some boons do that, like the sword upgrade where using special makes you attack crit for a while

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 2:44 AM

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having another ability with a cooldown/restriction seems very similar to cast and maybe this is just preference, but i almost never use cast and it seems like it would slow down gameplay. I also dont see how they cut into each other, but I only rly have experience with the shield. I like the shield bc the attack is melee but the special is ranged, so I can pick either one depending on the enemy im fighting

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Kinda?

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I was thinking like throwing the spear

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Then doing a spin on the new position

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Cast can be super powerful... True Shot + Burst Shot (or whatever it's called) is fuuuuun

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Like, you charge elsewhere

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Then blink to the spear and do the spin

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:45 AM

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That already basically exists though

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:45 AM

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With dash, yes

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And its very fun

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So I used it as an example

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:46 AM

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I don’t think in this instance that change is warranted as it’s more overlap, but I definitely agree with your overall idea

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:46 AM

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But ultimately I feel this is too highlevel of a change to be done at this point

nimble stone Dec 21, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Well it’s something they can consider before implementing the next weapons

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Mm I mean If literally everyone was vocal about it maybe

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But as it is, probably not

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Yeah, basically

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I dont think it bothers people enough to warrant doing it now

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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I’m sure they’ve got a lot of things in mind to keep peoples lasting interest in he game intact though

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Ill probably not even post it in feedback because I dont think itll have much of a point

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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I expect they won't do any large changes like this until the next Major Update™ anyway, and if watching the first ep of the documentary is any indication, a lot of the stuff that we've been giving feedback on is already on their radar before we say it 😆

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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So hopefully they keep on top of things going forward

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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I do hope we get something to at least aleviate the issue though, or make longer runs work

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:49 AM

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I certainly have a great deal of trust in SGG

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Because as it is, Im not sure how you can have the Roguelike experience of "Ive got a wacky build that is superfun" with the current boon system

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Yeah, I do too

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I mean, I bought the game day 1 for a reason

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Its already a good game, and Im sure theyll find a good solution

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Im just a little worried that they might not? This is their first Roguelike after all, and their other games had a more, I guess, linear design?

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I will say this though, I think Transistors skill system is still one of the best ones

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Same

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Maybe thats my problem

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Maybe I just want it to be more like Transistor

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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I’ve loved all their games so far but transistor connected with me on the most levels

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Agreed

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Even though, to this day, I still dont fully get the story

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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And hmm, from what you’ve said it sounds like more of a wanting it to have the core appeals of the roguelike/life genre

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Which I agree with

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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well, they did say they wanted combat depth similar to Transistor

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Actually, imagine a Transistor Roguelike

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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And I think I get it? Haha. At least I have my own ideas about how it goes

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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You pick up skills from enemies

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And you get to switch them around

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Man thatd be sweet

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:53 AM

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... actually that sounds really really good

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:53 AM

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And you could choose which bosses to face depending on what skills you wanted

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Imagine if god boons were that

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They give you skills

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You choose how to use that skill

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Or even kill npcs that help you in some other way to get their skill if you really wanted it haha

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Maybe have it so each weapon has 2 slots for weapon-unique stuff

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And 2 slots for neutral stuff, including Dash() and Cast()

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I honestly love the transistor system of everything is an attack, an upgrade and a passive

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And each effects others in a different way

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I almost want to write that as feedback now so that SGG can see it

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But yeah, definitely too late for this now

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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oh yeah Transistor's combination of effects is amazing

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yeah... it'd be way too much work

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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I do feel that combat depth currently isnt on the level of Transistor

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Its still hard and skillful

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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also it wouldn't really fit that well with how the gods do things

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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But in the Dead Cells style of "learn where to position and when to dodge"

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Yeah, it’s definitely deliberately more of a hack and slash

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Rather than "I put this stuff here, then move there and detonate it from there"

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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But the depth could still be a little greater (I say this on content update ONE lol)

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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~~Or just spam the one broken skill you always use~~

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Yeah

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Maybe Im just unreasonably worried

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The game is still far from finished, and they are listening

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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I feel like the discussion is good to have, but yeah, we will just have to wait and see how the development progresses

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 2:57 AM

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yeah they've planned a year to work on adding content and balancing

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:57 AM

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True

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 2:57 AM

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We don’t even know what they’ll be focusing on come update find

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Time*

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:57 AM

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On an entirely unrelated sidenote, I need to make a kickstarter for a Transistor Roguelike fangame

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~~Right after I make a Battle Network fangame~~

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 3:03 AM

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galaxy brain: combine the two

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 3:03 AM

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So you pause to select cards

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Then you pause to plan your turn

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So you can go back to pausing to select cards

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I never realized how similiar the concepts were

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Pausing in both, combining functions for new effects

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 3:06 AM

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also both (essentially) cyberscapes with virus enemies
wasn't the city like, not entirely physical or something

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 3:06 AM

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I wish I knew, as I said, I didnt fully get the story

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 3:09 AM

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anyway I'd lean more towards Battle Network with the aesthetic and more towards Transistor for gameplay with this

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but we should move to either #transistor or #off-topic-discussion

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 3:10 AM

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I wouldnt combine em tbh

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Just make a seperate fangame for both

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~~Already got plans for the BN one~~

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 3:10 AM

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ahhhhh

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BN was the best Megaman incarnation tbh

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Agreed

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But this is definitely offtopic

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 3:13 AM

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eyup

hallow oasis Dec 21, 2018, 5:11 AM

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Am I allowed to submit my desire to reunite Achilles in with his loved one in future content as feedback? Because I desperately want to help him work that out.

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Also: super appreciate they're actually acknowledging that relationship

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 5:15 AM

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If you phrase it as feedback and not just a suggestion, sure. Something like "I really like the way the story is explored between Achilles and Patroclus and hope to see it expanded on it the future"

tulip heart Dec 21, 2018, 7:31 AM

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I just finished the very first run of mine. I love how meta the conversation betwen Zagraes and Hades is about "Rennovations" being done to the realm

neat crow Dec 21, 2018, 7:33 AM

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Congrats! Yeah, I think the end of EA content conversation is good

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 7:49 AM

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I haven't finished it yet is he like "see I told you there was no getting out, the path out of Asphodel is under repair"

visual laurel Dec 21, 2018, 7:49 AM

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basically 😂

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 7:50 AM

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"When I said this place was falling apart that wasn't just me being grumpy. Why don't you ever listen to me?"

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 9:31 AM

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Poor Hades

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Never listened to

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 9:39 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/uUxCaAM.png

Imgur

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Full mirror if anyone was curious.

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 9:44 AM

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Niiiice

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I’m slowly working my way there

trim vigil Dec 21, 2018, 9:44 AM

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How many runs to complete it?

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 9:46 AM

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I NEVER prioritised darkness so triple digits.

trim vigil Dec 21, 2018, 9:48 AM

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Oh, really? I never did either (except when having to choose between key/ambrosia), I'm at 69 deaths and I'm "only" missing 20 points in Olymbian Favor (+% rare boons)... which is 1000 Darkness, so, about 8-10 runs I think

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 9:51 AM

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Yeah i mean i guess i just dont pick it up much, and i never do blood gates, it is just the lowest on my list, but i'm near like 130-150, but a handful of runs were literally messing around and re-rolling opening boons. so hard to say

trim vigil Dec 21, 2018, 9:57 AM

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I guess someone farming Darkness would take 50-60 runs, a "normal" type of player would complete it in 80-100, and someone rerolling and nor really going for Darkness like you did is above that

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 9:58 AM

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needsmoredata.jpg

outer ore Dec 21, 2018, 9:58 AM

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how much darkness does a 100 % mirror take?

trim vigil Dec 21, 2018, 10:00 AM

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6685 if I'm not doing any mistakes (I'm not in the mirror room so I can't check right now)

outer ore Dec 21, 2018, 10:00 AM

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thanks : )

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Someday~~

trim vigil Dec 21, 2018, 10:08 AM

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Well, 3750 Darkness are dedicated to the two upgrades that makes you find more Rare and Epic Boons, and while they can help, they are by no means mandatory

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And that's a lot of Darkness

outer ore Dec 21, 2018, 10:10 AM

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yeah I felt the boon upgrades are basically darkness sinks for late game

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:16 AM

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I beat the hydra!

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:17 AM

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What wep? 😄

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:20 AM

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spear

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good ol

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dash n' spin

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:20 AM

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i love the spear, but i NEVER use the spin attack, i hate it

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I’m so bad with the spear

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It’s my weakest weapon

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:21 AM

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oh well you see you can charge it up and then dash, which counts the charge and gives you the quick temper bonus

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I love aphrodite and spear. i was hitting baby hydras for 40-50% of their hp with one special and recall-backstab.

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:22 AM

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and if you get Hunter's Dash from Artemis, that's guaranteed crit in addition to that

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Yeah thats nice, i had that in my first finished run

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:24 AM

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stack on an attack bonus from your god of choice, get the Artemis boon that makes crits do even more damage if you can, throw in a few poms of power, and by the time you get to the hydra you're doing 4/5ths of the health bars on small hydra heads in single hits

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(also, there's a hammer upgrade that makes the spin charge faster)

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:25 AM

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So, my version of spear is this:

outer ore Dec 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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@brazen topaz I don't think quick temper gives you any bonus with spin dash

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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Heartbreak flourish makes your special deal more damage and turn foes weak. couple that with sweet surrender which makes enemies that are weak take more damage, ONTOP of armor smashers for 500% dmg to armor with your special.

so you throw it, first hit gives weak, and then return hit is backstab + sweet surrender dmg, and if it's armoured + 500% too.

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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oh well

outer ore Dec 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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I was checking damage earlier and there was a bonus on normal hit but not spin

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/4ybyWAs.png

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That is how i won ^

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with almost full hp

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no deaths

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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still powerful and more effective than doing a spin at point blank, just for space reasons

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:27 AM

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HB flourish and Sweet surr, just worked SO nicely with the spear's throw and recall for two quick hits. a proc and a dmg buff on the return.

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armored targets were down in one.

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:28 AM

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did you know there's a hammer upgrade that just makes your spear special do critical damage by default

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Yup but i chose the 500% armor one, because of how i wanted to try and play with the special

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i knew i could get two hits with special in fast, and armored targets are the only thing i find some-what awkward

brazen topaz Dec 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

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ah

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 10:30 AM

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then aphro just blessed me with that lovely combo.

crimson dock Dec 21, 2018, 1:38 PM

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https://gyazo.com/13d117108915c1d6d7e42c86c394fe23

Gyazo

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jesus artemis is actually ridiculous

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easiest run i've had so far

frozen jolt Dec 21, 2018, 1:58 PM

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daaaang

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Damn thats an amazing run

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Worldsplitter + crit dash+ all the good modifiers

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Only way it couldve been better is if you had more poms of power

velvet vector Dec 21, 2018, 3:31 PM

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artemis' legendary effect is too strong

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I had the easiest run of my life with it as well

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 3:40 PM

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No one but me takes Artemis' True Shot on Cast? I freaking love that boon - I don't have to worry about aiming the cast, I can just send it off and know it's going to hit something. Combine it with Zeus' boon that gives the bouncing lightning, and it's even better

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I think it's a wee bit too early to really know whether a particular boon is too powerful since the game is going to get more difficult as we progress.

pliant jolt Dec 21, 2018, 3:48 PM

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i use the arte cast every now and then its pretty good

ripe pollen Dec 21, 2018, 3:57 PM

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I don't like cast. Maybe I just suck with it? ?

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 3:59 PM

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@ripe pollen - try Artemis' True Shot with it. That might change your mind. It basically means you can just fire it off and not worry about it because it WILL hit something

echo comet Dec 21, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Poseidon's Cast is nice too

ripe pollen Dec 21, 2018, 4:01 PM

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I guess I don't like that you only get to use it 1-3 times (depending on amo) and then it's hard to get back

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I will try Artimis though

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 4:14 PM

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I should also get around to trying out cast at some point

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I just find it always gets stuck out over the lava

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 4:16 PM

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i use aphrodite boon with the shields special it weaks all enemies and bounces i use the zues cast and artemis boon that allows ur casts to fall after 2 or 3 seconds so instant re use if u collect them realy fun build.

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 4:22 PM

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I’ll give that a shot

ripe pollen Dec 21, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Thanks

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 4:29 PM

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nothing worse then using your casts on bosses and there stuck to the boss for 10 to 15 seconds with the artemis boon its a life saver.

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:00 PM

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I do wish the cast ammo would come back to you more readily/easily. Sometimes they are sitting on freaking spike traps and they don't react even when I'm close. I'd like their tether to be a little more responsive in terms of coming back to you.

atomic forge Dec 21, 2018, 5:04 PM

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I think that might be worth posting in #hades-feedback

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 5:07 PM

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i have a similer problem when u throw the shield in the lava areas it seem to travel for a long time because it has nothing to bounce off of ur stuck runing for 7 to 8 seconds untile it eventualy comes back.

tranquil bough Dec 21, 2018, 5:10 PM

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I don't like the lack of walls in asphodel in general, the wall smashing is a really fun mechanic

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:11 PM

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I suspect it might be because they intend each of the areas in the Underworld to have their own special mechanics? I only just managed to get to Asphodel last night - I wonder if we're supposed to push things into the lava to damage/kill them? If not, I think that's a wasted opportunity to again give us the chance to use the environment (much like the walls/falling rocks in Tartarus)

tranquil bough Dec 21, 2018, 5:13 PM

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yeah but poseidon has a passive that' specifically about wall smashing

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and having a boon that's only useful in the easiest area is kinda dumb

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 5:14 PM

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yes they die very fast once pushed into the lava its just the amount of enemys and armor is just very over kill if u dont have the right boons.

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:14 PM

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nod Does it still say wall smashing when you get it in Asphodel? If so, then I think it needs to be changed

tranquil bough Dec 21, 2018, 5:14 PM

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it's stun on wall smash

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Question - is it possible to accidentally dash into the lava? I was being VERY careful last night, but wasn't sure if the game was kind enough to prevent that, or whether yes, I do have to be careful of that. LOL

tranquil bough Dec 21, 2018, 5:15 PM

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and having it change to "extra damage in lava" or something would be counter intuitive

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 5:15 PM

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yes but not much damage maybe 1 or 3 depending on how long your in it.

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Heh - OK, got it. "Yes, be careful of the dang lava"

tranquil bough Dec 21, 2018, 5:16 PM

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if you saw that boon on your first run in tartarus and then later encounter it again in asphodel you'd think they're two different ones, or it'd need a long explanation listing every region specific effect

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:16 PM

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I didn't want to test it last night because I was so chuffed about actually making it past Meg for the 1st time.

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 5:17 PM

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havent beat the final boss yet 3rd try today and got pretty lucky with great boons just dont have that much sustanability yet.

tranquil bough Dec 21, 2018, 5:17 PM

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wait there is 2 I forgot about the extra damage one

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 5:18 PM

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You mean the Hydra? I suspect its not the final boss - merely another mini-boss on the way out of the Underworld. chuckle

gilded mortar Dec 21, 2018, 5:19 PM

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yup just farming darkness at this point maybe one day i will beat him or further bosses to come.

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 6:20 PM

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I believe in you!

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 6:35 PM

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I wonder how much (if any) of the actual lore of Zagreus himself will show up in the game.

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 6:35 PM

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i feel like finding persephone is gonna involve a lot of zag lore

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 6:38 PM

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It might also explain why we haven't seen Hera yet.

frozen jolt Dec 21, 2018, 6:39 PM

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yep the game's peobably far from finished, content-wise

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i imagine there will be plenty more characters and enemies in the future

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 6:40 PM

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ye

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 6:41 PM

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I'm hoping we see Hephaestus soon

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 6:41 PM

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i wanna see my boy

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dionysus

dawn lily Dec 21, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Well if you look up the myth behind Zagreus

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IIRC he should find Dionysus in the underworld, but I don't know how closely supergiant is following the myth itself

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 7:34 PM

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the layout for the House of Hades is weird
why would zag's room be the only way to get to and from the arsenal/exit, anyone who wants to do some stabbing has to walk into his dirty room

elfin dock Dec 21, 2018, 7:35 PM

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well the exit is a broken window so i was assuming it wasnt an intentional exit, but yeah the courtyard right there is a bit odd

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Yeah he climbs out of his window ahaha

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I assume the more official exits / entrances are more guarded or smth

onyx spoke Dec 21, 2018, 7:38 PM

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I'm going to make another godly prediction and guess that at some point Hades will go "nah enough of this" and break the mirror

ashen crown Dec 21, 2018, 7:39 PM

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he is a prince, probably has his own courtyard attached to his room

earnest mesa Dec 21, 2018, 7:57 PM

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Yeah

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 10:29 PM

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There we go, 3 wins on each weapon

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Probably will wait for the next update now

hardy nymph Dec 21, 2018, 10:53 PM

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grats man

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I got the names confused despite having the same goal

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so I am 2/4/3/3

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Still not 100% how Id rate the weapons though

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Im flipping between Sword and shield being number 3

hardy nymph Dec 21, 2018, 10:58 PM

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I really enjoy using sword despite it being rough sometimes. Shield just... isn't as satisfying as I wish it was, even when you go full wall slam it doesn't grab me. Spear and Bow both feel really rewarding and versatile.

amber canyon Dec 21, 2018, 10:59 PM

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I like the sword now, but the ending lag on the thrust, and the slowdown on the special feel clunky still

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Shield mainly has a special thats irrelevant, and dash attacks get a bit wonky sometimes

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Sword is my fav

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Finally managed to get my first non-sword hydra victory with spear tho \o/

ripe pollen Dec 21, 2018, 11:22 PM

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I feel like the sword doesn't get a lot of love. I am obsessed with the special AOE

south owl Dec 21, 2018, 11:25 PM

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I love the sword, myself. ❤

gusty raptor Dec 21, 2018, 11:31 PM

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The Sword is my favorite so far (outside of maaaybe the shield). Getting the Size + double damage boon on top of the crit boon makes it an amazing "Jump-in > smash > jump-out" build. Super fun.

pale nest Dec 21, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Sword AOE just feels so good

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Squishing numbskulls, man

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It’s delightful

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 12:48 AM

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Spear is definitly my favorite

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I feel like once you maximize your timing and animation cancels involving dashing and spin attacks

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its really satisfying

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Sword is pretty good too

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I acknowledge the bow is good but I only really run it for dark thirst

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The sheild feels underwhelming but not undepowered

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like its balanced but feels less interesting than the other weapons

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 12:53 AM

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when playing shield i notice myself only using the special really and maybe some slabs never the charge

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 12:54 AM

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I've heard many people praise the bow here, but I don't really get why. It's single target dps is incredibly low, and the special locks you down for such a long time. Is there something I'm missing?

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The 50 damage from the sword special can probably be spammed faster than the 40 damage perfect bow shots

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 12:55 AM

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Don’t use the special and take critdash

ashen crown Dec 22, 2018, 12:56 AM

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mostly ive not had success with the bow, except for 1 run where it was my easiest clear yet. Basically I got the daedalus upgrade where it charges instantly and a high level Ares delayed damage on the normal, just pinged enemies at range with no charge time every few seconds and they went down real easy

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 12:56 AM

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dps gets nuts with another dmg boon

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also, it pierces

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Yeah, I suppose. But even with a crit, 80 damage doesn't seem worth the narrow area and middle range. I'm sure with upgrades it can be awesome, but the same could be said for the other weapons, and they're more consistent in the early rooms.

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But I know how in games like these you use a weapon a lot and it ends up "clicking" so I won't make a statement saying the bow is weak. Just that I don't get it.

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:02 AM

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The bow is insane because one you have artemis keepsake and 3 dashes

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Having crit dashing is run winning right there

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Can you dash while charging the bow? Because I feel like the spear could do the same thing but better

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:03 AM

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The damage is ludicrous and stacks with quick temper

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And is a lot safer than spear spin attack

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Even if its slower

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Also bow is really good for the hydra fight compared to the other weapons

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Which js a plus

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Ok, so it's based on the fact the bow has the highest base damage at a range? So it scales better with multipliers. I see...

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Its slow which makes it feel less impactful than its actualy is

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Like the spear can do similar things with more risk albeit a lot quicker

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:05 AM

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What's the base damage of the shield throw? 20, right? I always feel way safer with the shield than the bow. No charging

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Well yeah the sheild thrower can feel safer but it leaves you without a weapon

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Its base damage is terrible

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And doesnt have good boons usually

eager geyser Dec 22, 2018, 1:06 AM

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I think it was 15

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Specials usually have not so good boons

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:07 AM

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Man, my experience is way different. I'm always upset with normal attack boons. All my builds end up being based on specials

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I think normals hard carry the game

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All the specials feel terrible to me

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Way too slow

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:08 AM

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It was a while ago, but I got that one where the shield throw hits one enemy and instantly comes back, combined with zeus' lightning.... made it a hard hitting quick throw.

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:08 AM

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You also have way more normal boons

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So its just a better investment

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And more likely to carry late game

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:08 AM

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Yeah, that does make sense

ashen crown Dec 22, 2018, 1:08 AM

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bow special with Posiedon is nice if you need everything to be not near you for a bit

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as long as it's rare or epic

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Knockback is terrible

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Bow special with uh.... Reflect-girl (I forget her name) is pretty hilarious. Just spray the room and watch all the bullet fly back

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:09 AM

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But its one of the few percent scaling boons

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And those are good with the bow

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Athena

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Has all the reflectors so im assuming ur talking bout here

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:10 AM

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That's it, yeah. I'm a big fan of her boons

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I just need more dusa convoz in my life

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Or give me like a rewind machine in the codex

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Let me talk

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:11 AM

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Sword special is best

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:11 AM

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starts a new save file just to give achilles every gift again

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:11 AM

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How are people liking the Cast boons? I got an epic Bladestorm boon the other day, and the thing that doubles it's size. And like 3 Poms. It was insane.

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Giant area dealing 25+ damage per tick, with 3 casts

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Cast boons are good

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:12 AM

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i never do cast runs bc im awful at using it

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:12 AM

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But they require luck

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Tried them out for the first time today, was pleasantly surprised

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:12 AM

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You have to get them in the first place

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If im doing a cast boon i equip ares or artemis for sure

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Mainly artemis

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:13 AM

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I just always keep Dusa’s boon equipped since I like smashing pots

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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I always wondered, does that apply to non-combat rooms, like Sisyphus rooms?

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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me: wow that doesnt sound useful
me: gets stuck on a pot and dies

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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'cause there are a ton of pots in his room

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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They count!

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All pots count

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It’s actually pretty great

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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what if he likes his pots : (

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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He does complain

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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omg

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Awesome. I might try it out

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:15 AM

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I think he’s worried about Bouldy

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Since Bouldy is hollow and basically a pot

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:15 AM

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who could ever hurt bouldy

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:15 AM

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Probably. It's our duty as Prince of the underworld to protect Bouldy

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:16 AM

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Feedback channel: let us gain hearts with Bouldy

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 1:16 AM

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asdfghjkl

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:17 AM

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But yeah, smashing all the pots is great

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This might be part of why I’m such a fan of sword special

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It is high tier in the pot smashing meta

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Definitely. Unrelated, how awesome would it be to have fist weapons? I hope they add some eventually

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Yes please

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I want fists and I want Greek fire

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Oh yeah

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Just import all the bastion items pls

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Thank you

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👌

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 1:21 AM

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^^^ Pretty much

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 3:18 AM

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Okay, crackpot theory

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Zag is only a few months old

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And Persephone leaving is just what she does every year

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 3:21 AM

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lol no thanks

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 3:21 AM

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

pale ridge Dec 22, 2018, 3:21 AM

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Wouldn't someone like

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Just tell him?

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Zag: I'm going to the surface to find Persephone!
Meg: …she'll literally be back in a month, stop being so dramatic

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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zag is so entirely extra, this is 100% in character

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 3:22 AM

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youre very not wrong

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but i dont like an 8 month old flirtin and hitting up on people 😛

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must be an awfully quick learner though to be so good at fighting already

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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yeah it would be weird considering how theyre presented in the game, but its par for the course in greek mythology for gods to spring into existence as complete adults and even ones that didnt come into being that way don't have canon myths about like their childhood and stuff bc thats such a human thing

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 3:24 AM

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true

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even still, i doubt its true
only cuz the lines about them being hidden frm the other gods for "so long"

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considering gods live forever you must have been hidden for quite some time for one to say so long lol

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 3:25 AM

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lmao yeah i would be very surprised if that ended up being the actual plot

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 3:25 AM

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lol

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very funny indeed

lime yoke Dec 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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god now that you said that im imagining Zag in that one punch man scene and like Meg or someone pointing at him 'what's with this sassy... lost child?'

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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he shows up to his mom and she doesn't recognize him anymore and just says that to him

lime yoke Dec 22, 2018, 3:30 AM

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omg

gusty raptor Dec 22, 2018, 5:05 AM

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Has anyone else gotten a "perfect landing" when they jump out the window? What's the point

neat crow Dec 22, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Just flavour as far as I know. A fun little extra/easter egg

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Who knows maybe it means your run will have better x,y,z, 😮 so yeah i'd have to agree its flavour and for " myth " spreading lol

devout isle Dec 22, 2018, 9:15 AM

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How many bosses are there so far ?

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 9:17 AM

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2

devout isle Dec 22, 2018, 9:20 AM

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Ah

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Cuz Meg's keep kicking my ass

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😥

neat crow Dec 22, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Keep trying! We all get through it eventually. Be patient and learn her patterns

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 9:21 AM

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lol n1

devout isle Dec 22, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Sure thing

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I almost had her last time

queen sierra Dec 22, 2018, 9:27 AM

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am I the only person who finds the bow really difficult to use and underpowered? I’ve seen people singing it’s praises and I feel like I’m missing something djhdjhfugf

devout isle Dec 22, 2018, 9:28 AM

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Same

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it's ok

neat crow Dec 22, 2018, 9:29 AM

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Bow takes some getting used to. Dash-attack (with or without hitting your power shot) will help you

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I really like bow, I think it's currently the easiest weapon to win with

waxen furnace Dec 22, 2018, 9:29 AM

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it has a flow you need to get used to before its good

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once youre in the flow, its super good

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its like a rhythm game

neat crow Dec 22, 2018, 9:34 AM

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I've posted it before, but check out this speed run by Dino if you want an example of effective bow gameplay (spoilers if you haven't beaten all of the EA content) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/350926967

Twitch

Hades - 10:12 [WR]

Dinosaurus - Hades - Twitch

▶ Play video

queen sierra Dec 22, 2018, 9:49 AM

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yeah I watched that and that was actually what inspired me to try it again lmao but I just.... I don’t get it. I feel so slow compared to the other enemies and numbskulls and louts especially just feel too damn fast to deal with and I’ve never even GOTTEN to asphodel with the bow

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I feel like things just move too quick for the time it requires to charge but everyone else seems to love it so maybe I’m just bad????

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 9:57 AM

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are they able to manipulate the map order and spawns of boons etc?

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thats what it sounds like to me, thats interesting its been figured out already if so.

swift flax Dec 22, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Does anyone perchance have a list of all the possible booms, their various tiers from all the gods? be nice to look over

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Closest we have is : https://hades.gamepedia.com/Boons
Well, that's all I could find. @swift flax

queen sierra Dec 22, 2018, 10:13 AM

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ok but does anyone else notice the lil heart Sisyphus has when he gives u a reward?????? like omg

fresh idol Dec 22, 2018, 10:14 AM

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If I remember correctly, Persephone does go back every year to her mother, Demeter. That's why spring happens and nature comes alive. When she goes back, Demeter gets sad and we get autumn and winter.

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@pale nest

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 10:15 AM

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the health? Or another heart

swift flax Dec 22, 2018, 10:16 AM

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@atomic forge Thank you rooHappy

queen sierra Dec 22, 2018, 10:16 AM

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nah like a dusa heart

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Welcome nuggets <3.

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I didn’t notice mufti pls take a screenshot next time u see it 🙏

queen sierra Dec 22, 2018, 11:33 AM

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what do y’all use to take screenshots on windows?? mine never show up right rip

fresh idol Dec 22, 2018, 11:37 AM

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prinscreen -> paint 😄

wet smelt Dec 22, 2018, 11:58 AM

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ShareX, lightshot, gyazo, etc

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 12:52 PM

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I just use the snipping tool on windows

crisp basin Dec 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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my mouse has somehow a button which i often accidently click while streaming. the screen turns blue, the game stops and the screenshot is saved in my save file data. but i can hold tab and screenshot my boons which wont work alt printing

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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Screenshots don’t work on full screen for me so I play windowed

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Oh, styles, that’s the bug report button/F10

crisp basin Dec 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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oh

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wait why is my name not changed here?

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.

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better pupperE

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 2:46 PM

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@queen sierra IKR????? SUCH A CUTIE

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;0;

snow brook Dec 22, 2018, 3:26 PM

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For screenshots I have to use printscreen, which captures both my monitors, and then I crop it in imgur

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 3:37 PM

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https://prnt.sc/lybyy1

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

candid bear Dec 22, 2018, 3:45 PM

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PROGRESS

snow brook Dec 22, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Oh my god I am listening to the audio files

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and I am astounded by how many rhymes they got for skelly to say to Zag

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"Less yackin' more smackin'"

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Less gabbin' more stabbin'

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Less prattle more battle

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Less chatter more batter boyo

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There are like, 6 of em, its great

elfin dock Dec 22, 2018, 3:55 PM

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I relate to Skelly on a spiritual level

snow brook Dec 22, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Also skelly calls the Casts "blood stones" which makes sense, but I dunno if that's mentioned somewhere else in the game

honest coral Dec 22, 2018, 4:33 PM

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I think it's mentioned in the shop text

snow brook Dec 22, 2018, 5:20 PM

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@atomic forge If you are talking about what I was saying in the run posted, I don't currently have the ability to manipulate the spawn of whatever things I want on a fresh run. However, if you enter Skelly's room, you essentially get a "save state" of the run. Later on if you just take damage on a room and then use "Give Up" it sets you back there.

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Once you have that save state, you can think of the run like the Multiverse Theory. Every decision or action you take will change how the run starts panning out. So if you take too long to go from Skelly's room to the starting room, you get a slightly different run. If you take damage on a room, it will change the rooms that come after it. So in the run since I had stumbled upon a decent "seed" for the run, I just kept restarting and eventually got lucky enough to get the same parameters that lead to having such a good run.

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 5:52 PM

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massive gamer coding

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 5:52 PM

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@snow brook I reccomend lightshot for screenshotting, great program

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Lightshot hasnt worked for me Pepehands

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Im surprised my laptop isnt running hades well

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its an i7 wiht 960gx

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It is pretty old though

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Thats odd

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 5:53 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 5:53 PM

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You sure its not using integrated graphics for hades?

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 5:53 PM

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it might be

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THat's what I was thinking but then i had to reinstall my drivers

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so im gonna be tryong that later

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 5:54 PM

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I think you can check by right clicking on desktop > nvidia control panel > find hades in the program list

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not 100% sure on that though

sleek cape Dec 22, 2018, 5:55 PM

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thanks for the help 100%

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dusa

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 5:55 PM

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np!

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PoseidonGrin

tawny imp Dec 22, 2018, 8:00 PM

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hey i was wondering if in the heart menue if the heart's with the locks, arn't implemented yet, not able to be unlocked yet, or has a bonus attatched if you get it that high?

bleak osprey Dec 22, 2018, 8:01 PM

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aren't implemented yet

tawny imp Dec 22, 2018, 8:05 PM

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okay thanks

kindred ibex Dec 22, 2018, 8:37 PM

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xD I loved how meta the ending is

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:38 PM

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lmao

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btw is the current dev fnished after the hydra?

kindred ibex Dec 22, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Nope!

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Just beat it and afterwards you just get to chat with Hades again 😃

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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today I met the hydra :D

bleak osprey Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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i mean, that's as far as you can go right now

kindred ibex Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Yep

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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so no more levels after hydra I mean

bleak osprey Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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you can keep going through tartarus and asphodel as often as you like

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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ah ok then yes

bleak osprey Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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yeah i figured that's what you meant

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Ngl it bugs me that the main character ends with an us

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"-us"

pliant jolt Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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so guys, how many attempts so far?

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:39 PM

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because thats latin

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He should be called Zagreos

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thats greek

bleak osprey Dec 22, 2018, 8:40 PM

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i mean

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📎 unknown.png

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:40 PM

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owo

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aaah thats cool :D

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woa I love it auvcnerfna idfhnjsrg

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Omg how could I be so stupid I didnt think of that

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thanks @bleak osprey <3

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(also the wiki is kinda spoiing the game lmao)

visual laurel Dec 22, 2018, 8:48 PM

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I mean there's no guarantee that SGG is gonna follow the mytholgy super closely

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:49 PM

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(I mean whose son he is at least I mean)

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(Also im draing Sisyphus Zag art rn yay)

visual laurel Dec 22, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Yeah, sure, but there are like five different myths that all say different stuff about him

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:49 PM

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yea true

visual laurel Dec 22, 2018, 8:49 PM

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(good.)

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:49 PM

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(gay and good)

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I wonder what mythology they follow

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mythologies*

visual laurel Dec 22, 2018, 8:50 PM

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we'll find out !

south owl Dec 22, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Remember - Latin = Roman. This is based on Greek ancient religion, not Roman ancient religion. 😃

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 8:55 PM

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yea yea I know

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whats why I wondered because us is uncommon for greek ymths :)

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myths/names

visual laurel Dec 22, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Yeah, but regardless of the "proper" greek spellings sgg is going with the spellings people will recognize, which are the romanized spellings

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Patroclus is spelled Patroklos but people won't recognize that as immediately - just like they're not trying to pronounce Achilles as "akheelays"

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 9:00 PM

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You remind me that I want to learn the original names ;_;

visual laurel Dec 22, 2018, 9:00 PM

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The game's not like, in Greek so it makes sense to just use the English spellings

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 9:00 PM

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German tries but kinda fails often times

lime yoke Dec 22, 2018, 9:22 PM

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-us is uncommon
Zeus says hi

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it's just funny xD

covert verge Dec 22, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Ok I officially declare myself stupid

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xD

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lmao

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How do I draw Sisy he doesnt have a model yet

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I just draw the hood I guess

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Make him fabulous

warm grove Dec 22, 2018, 9:54 PM

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wait there are legendary boons

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i just got one from artemis

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 9:54 PM

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yep

warm grove Dec 22, 2018, 9:56 PM

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whoa i just got s econd one

muted viper Dec 22, 2018, 9:59 PM

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just heard Lament of Orpheus for the first time shadegrief

warm grove Dec 22, 2018, 10:00 PM

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if you have enough buffs the list of them on the side will populate off-screen

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 10:01 PM

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haha yep

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im sure thatll be fixed soon somehow

faint cave Dec 22, 2018, 10:05 PM

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@warm grove What did those boons do I know athenas gives you protection every 20 seconds

frozen jolt Dec 22, 2018, 10:07 PM

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you can find all of them on the wiki

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

Hades Wiki

faint cave Dec 22, 2018, 10:08 PM

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thx

pale nest Dec 22, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Orpheus’s song is so pretty ;_;

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I just hope it isn’t literal

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If Eurydice is a boat, I will have strong words for feedback channel >.>

atomic forge Dec 22, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Shes Charons boat

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dusa

ashen crown Dec 22, 2018, 10:32 PM

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It all makes sense now

south owl Dec 22, 2018, 11:11 PM

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How do people get that many boons? Do I just have awful luck or something?

pliant jolt Dec 22, 2018, 11:21 PM

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yes probably

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some runs u get alot some u get alot less

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have had a run where i did 110 dmg max with bow lol

gritty rover Dec 23, 2018, 1:23 AM

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hey so

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i was playing and accidentally skipped over a bit of dialogue

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it was hades telling mageara to "make sure of it" and then some more

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does anyone know what he said?

bleak osprey Dec 23, 2018, 1:25 AM

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oh! oh! i do!

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gimme a minute

gritty rover Dec 23, 2018, 1:26 AM

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thanks!

bleak osprey Dec 23, 2018, 1:27 AM

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Hades: ...Make certain of it, Megaera. I am finding, lately, that the help within this House is much more lacking than it used to be. I trust that you shall set it back on course. Megaera: ...If that is your will, Lord Hades, then it will be done. To the fullest limits of my capability. Zagreus: That's probably bad news for me.

gritty rover Dec 23, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Ohh, thanks man!

bleak osprey Dec 23, 2018, 1:29 AM

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np 👌

pale nest Dec 23, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Is there a convenient way to check dialogue? I missed the chat with Achilles about Patroclus 😦

bleak osprey Dec 23, 2018, 1:58 AM

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you can check in the files for it but i will warn you that it is real easy to spoil yourself by seeing dialogue you haven't seen ingame

hybrid sail Dec 23, 2018, 3:30 AM

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guys

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is there a feasible way to unlock all the codex entries for the characters you converse with

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because I unlocked all the codex entries for everything else - except the conversations

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I had my 100th convo with Hades, only to find that to fill his codex I have to have 999 more

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and as a completionist, this triggered me

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bouldy

visual laurel Dec 23, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Not right now, no

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If you're just, like, itching to read the entirety it's in the game files but right now the ends of those convos are gated so we don't, like, burn through the entirety of the game before it's even ready for mortal eyes

young void Dec 23, 2018, 4:55 AM

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anyone know what the convo for dusa is when you give her the last ambrosia bottle?

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it didnt trigger when i did it

visual laurel Dec 23, 2018, 5:00 AM

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it doesn't work right now, it's either bugged or incomplete. sorry!

young void Dec 23, 2018, 5:01 AM

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ah thanks

tulip drum Dec 23, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Finally playing hades

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and i see the goo boi

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the GOO BOI! CERBERUS

atomic forge Dec 23, 2018, 5:07 AM

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Cerb is the goodest of boys

stuck delta Dec 23, 2018, 6:56 AM

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o i made it to the hydra for the first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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whittled about half his health down before i died trying to get a screenshot for some weird visual glitch

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(didn't even get the screenshot correctly >.>)

worldly sorrel Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 AM

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I REALLY THOUGHT THAT MEG WAS HARD HUH

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PLAYED LIKE A FOOL

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I WENT TO THE FIERY RIVER AND GOT MY BUTT WHOOPED NANI ALSDASD

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ahhh sorry are we not supposed to do all caps?

wet smelt Dec 23, 2018, 7:53 AM

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it's a free country

neat crow Dec 23, 2018, 7:55 AM

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Meg is really just protecting you from the horrors of Asphodel

worldly sorrel Dec 23, 2018, 8:16 AM

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i would (and have) died for Meg

ashen crown Dec 23, 2018, 12:41 PM

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If they make us fight cerberus as a boss I'm gonna be real cheesed.

stable smelt Dec 23, 2018, 12:43 PM

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Talking about cerberus, where is he?

bleak osprey Dec 23, 2018, 12:43 PM

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next to hades, back at the house

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usually

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sometimes he goes for a walk!

stable smelt Dec 23, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Oh, i thought he was gone forever. Haven't seen him for a while(~5 runs)

visual laurel Dec 23, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Oh damn, sounds like a weird rng thing but that sucks :/

runic terrace Dec 23, 2018, 2:10 PM

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hades: NO ONE leaves my realm
cerberus: oh yeah?

pale nest Dec 23, 2018, 2:29 PM

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Cerberus is too good a boy to be trapped in Tartarus

queen sierra Dec 23, 2018, 2:37 PM

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cerb may be old but he still needs his walkies!!!!!

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imagine meg becoming the dog walker as punishment for dying to zag again

runic terrace Dec 23, 2018, 2:41 PM

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hfjhfjfjhhj yes

night harness Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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@cedar grove

queen sierra Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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actually waking cerb is fine it's hades overbearing protective dog moming that's insufferable

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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@night harness

night harness Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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so is there nothing after hydra?

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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hydra is last boss yeah

night harness Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 2:42 PM

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for now

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im assuming the next major patch introduces a new boos

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boss*

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oh u cant swear lol

night harness Dec 23, 2018, 2:43 PM

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lol

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yeah still haven't beaten it yet

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 2:43 PM

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especially since they added a 3rd phase of heads ffs

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there only used to be 2 phases in the early builds

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then they added another where all the heads come back

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hate hydra fight

night harness Dec 23, 2018, 2:44 PM

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ick >.<

runic terrace Dec 23, 2018, 2:44 PM

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ok it wsnt deleted for spoilers it was deleted for the f word just a heads up gjgjkgj

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 2:44 PM

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I generally hate messy fights where the skill is "spam dodge and be op"

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yeah gotcha

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@runic terrace sorry about that

runic terrace Dec 23, 2018, 2:45 PM

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np!!

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 2:45 PM

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I just wish that they made things more visible during the hydra fight, especially the small creeps that spawn

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cant bloody see em

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and they hit like a truck too

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I'd post it on feedback, but all unpopular feedback just gets downvoted to hell

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don't like the new system, felt like each voice was heard in the old, new one just seems like the popular ones are the ones that matter

night harness Dec 23, 2018, 2:50 PM

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my biggest gripe right now is the difficulty scaling. its all over the place

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that and when you're behind walls it doesn't point out where you are

lime yoke Dec 23, 2018, 2:59 PM

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the new feedback is like reddit

honest coral Dec 23, 2018, 3:08 PM

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And it comes with the downfall of reddit too

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Also tons of people seem to be misusing the ❌ on things they don't like

cedar grove Dec 23, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Exactly, it has become a feedback hub for the popular opinions and the unpopular but genuine ones get shafted

ashen crown Dec 23, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Scrolling up through the past several pages of feedback, a very large majority is primarily upvoted, a handful of mixed responses and a very small minority highly downvoted. Idk where this impression that there are a bunch of valid feedbacks getting downvoted to oblivion is coming from

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only a few errant Xs as well

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Plus we can assume supergiant have brains of their own, they aren't just going to blindly follow the votes, that's simply a way for people to share agreement or disagreement

bleak osprey Dec 23, 2018, 3:20 PM

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every feedback will get at least one each of 👍 👎 ❌ because that's what styxbot does

frozen jolt Dec 23, 2018, 3:20 PM

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as a mod i can say i only delete feedback that are dupes

maiden wharf Dec 23, 2018, 3:20 PM

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@ashen crown i agree with u

unkempt locust Dec 23, 2018, 4:06 PM

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@frozen jolt Cool name. Nice twist on the original

frozen jolt Dec 23, 2018, 4:06 PM

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thank you 🐍

visual laurel Dec 23, 2018, 4:21 PM

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support for the "narrator is homer" theory: the sheer number of epithets the old man tosses into his narration