No the final boss is Zagrus with a blue eye instead of his usual red one
#h1-story-discussion
fiery isle
crude patrol
Burning in Asphodel
atomic forge
"But dad, we're already in hell"
fiery isle
Megalovania plays
atomic forge
The final boss is Dante from the Devil May Cry series
strange cipher
Had the game since Monday.
dire void
Yeah was in patch notes
fiery isle
His final art his soooooo good
shy abyss
It's Donte
atomic forge
El Donte
crude patrol
Dontes Inferno
fiery isle
the god of war we all deserved
cold canopy
heck yea
atomic forge
I mean I'll be disappointed if there isn't at least one reference to God of War in the final game
shy abyss
Really?
strange cipher
Supergiant lucked the flip out in finding her when developing Bastion.
dire void
Chain blades would be a sick weapon lol
crude patrol
Boyo is a God of War reference :^)
strange cipher
And now she is the iconic art style for the studio.
atomic forge
Chain blades and a slightly bratty person with a bow
shy abyss
God of Dad
atomic forge
Dad of Boi
sour stone
their interaction gets there sometimes
atomic forge
"Is your back alright, father?"
strange cipher
@atomic forge That one.
crude patrol
Imagine the bossrush mode is us talking to hercules and fight in the colisseum.
strange cipher
How would a boss rush work?
crude patrol
Yep
strange cipher
But what's your equipment?
sour stone
zag vs the entire pantheon
strange cipher
How is that determined?
sour stone
and moves onto the norse
atomic forge
You get to pick
crude patrol
You get upgrades after each boss
tranquil bough
pick a weapon, and then you get into an upgrade room after every boss
strange cipher
I suppose that's fair.
crude patrol
Yep. That'd be dope
strange cipher
Why am I suddenly imagining a distant development future where each of the Olympians have intricate boss fights?
shy abyss
Because that would be incredible
crude patrol
Yep
tranquil bough
if it's a colosseum, giving you money and then putting you into a bigger charon shop would work really well
crude patrol
Also the cheering crowd!
frozen jolt
@shy abyss please dont try and circumvent the swear filter
crude patrol
throwing gold at you
shy abyss
Sorry, I didn't notice, force of habit.
sour stone
the mirror exists for a mirror match
strange cipher
I hope there are more flashbacks and things in future patches.
atomic forge
So as per supergiant tradition
strange cipher
Just it happening once set my expectations of it happening again way too high for the next major portion of my playthrough.
atomic forge
I'm guessing there are gonna be things that allow you to increase difficulty in exchange for increased Darkness and Money
sour stone
I just want more weapons and combinations, as per roguelike tradiçion
strange cipher
Now I'm like, I killed the flipping hydra. There's gonna be nothing more. Lol
sour stone
the dating sim aspect is a bonus and a half
strange cipher
I don't really understand the gifts.
After the first time, where you get something in return.
sour stone
in time maybe
strange cipher
I haven't noticed any other effect of them.
And if anything Meg is more pissed at me than ever. :P
sour stone
this is still early access, there might be more later on that expands on stoof
crude patrol
I hope we get more stages soon
strange cipher
Well next major content update is in a month.
I imagine we'll get at least the next layer.
crude patrol
I can wait a lot of time. I'm still waiting for the Hollow Knight content update where you play Hornet
Means I gotta work more, but thats fine
strange cipher
is that an actual thing
sour stone
I'm currently betraying my friends in a certain other game that plays similarly
to this one
strange cipher
(I only got a few hours in, but that sounds rad.)
crude patrol
It is an actual thing, I can confirm.
Game is absurdly cheap. 40 hours of a fantastic playthrough for 15$ feels like stealing.
and that is without the content that got added recently
atomic forge
The next Hollow Knight content update is gonna be paid DLC I think
crude patrol
I doubt tbh.
It was included in the Kickstarter goal
and all the content so far was free
William, Chris and Ari are also very passionate about the game
strange cipher
I'll try not to keep the conversation strayed for too much longer, but
Hollow Knight very much seemed like it'd be a fantastic game and play hard to my interests, but for some reason I can't place I just couldn't get into it.
I want to go back and give it another shot sometime.
crude patrol
How far have you got?
dire void
I bought it for switch. Haven't even launched it.
strange cipher
4 hours.
frozen jolt
crude patrol
Tru.
frozen jolt
ill move there too bc i have something to say abt it as well
quartz ibex
yall think thanatos will be in hades one day? 
atomic forge
Hollow Knight is a slow burn
I think that the worst part about it is that it doesn't get that good until you're over halfway in
strange cipher
@atomic forge We're talking about it in #off-topic-discussion
strange cipher
I can't think about Thanatos without thinking about the character from Kid Icarus.
This frickin' weird dude. https://kidicarus.wikia.com/wiki/Thanatos
pseudo cradle
HAHAHHAA ME TOO
fiery isle
He was so much fun in KI:U, I would love to see Supergiant's take on that mythological character
crude patrol
When I think of Thanatos, I usually think about the one in ragnarok Online
ebon cradle
cold canopy
ooo ragnarok online!
that game was pretty cool
yea I think of thanatos by default as the one in Smite
strange cipher
I know we were just told to take off topic conversation elsewhere, but I am beyond pleased that multiple other people here have actually played Kid Icarus: Uprising.
atomic forge
When I think Thanatos
I think the one from Persona 3
I was going to play Uprising
But then my 3DS got stolen
strange cipher
Aw, well it's a great game that's truly underrated. A wonderful example of a story that takes real-world mythology and just... likes to mess around with it, lol.
And its interpretation of Hades is a fantastic character.
crude patrol
Why cant I take screenshots from my perks? :/
strange cipher
The feedback button essentially causes my computer to freeze.
Ironically, it's the most broken part of the game.
dire void
Yeah Hades acts weirder than Destiny when it comes to screenshots/streaming for me
crude patrol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505853920866861058/523996084645920779/unknown.png
I friggin love Lightning Strike and Flurry Blade
dire void
Flurry Blade is so good
crude patrol
also 173 damage when I get damaged
strange cipher
There should be a dedicated screenshot button, that doesn't render your PC nigh-unusable for several minutes while you try to figure out what's even happening.
It was even harder to get out of the second time. How does that make sense?
ornate shore
Still the best version of Thanatos for me
https://imgur.com/7HJWbVR
strange cipher
What's that from?
ornate shore
Persona 3
strange cipher
Ahh.
atomic forge
Especially considering the story ramifications b
ornate shore
There is also Nyx....
atomic forge
does anyone know what happens after the 99x dialogue?
im only at 60 rn, but super curious 😄
ornate shore
And well this Nyx gave me nightmares when i was a kid
strange cipher
You have a falling out because you don't give them enough space.
crude patrol
Uh, 10 more boons from aphrodite to get a heart unlocked
atomic forge
the 3rd one :D?
ornate shore
It does not unlock hearts
crude patrol
ahw
ornate shore
just Codex text
sour stone
I love the irony of chasing the heart of a heartbreaker
crude patrol
Wait, I can get more text for hydra? Just need to slay her 15 more times
ornate shore
Yup
crude patrol
That should be easy, should combine it with Artemis
atomic forge
so how do you unlock all those hearts :D?
crude patrol
^
atomic forge
waiting for the dialogue patch :D?
ornate shore
Yup
crude patrol
what am I supposed to do with all that left ambrosia? I will never spend the amount I havve
ornate shore
as development goes on, they will de unlocked
atomic forge
but the way they implemented the early access is pretty neat, i think:D
People who finished the early access content are gonna have a lot of excess keys, darkness, and ambrosia
youre complaining about ambrosia, what's with those keys 😄
ornate shore
Well people calculated that you will need 66 ambrosia after everything else will be unlocked
so
save up
crude patrol
26 to go then
ornate shore
LET ZAG DRINK AMBROSIA
atomic forge
66 ambrosia and a lot of runs 😄 (or swims in lava after meg)
crude patrol
I want perma aphrodites boons, so I can always feel fancy
crude patrol
I mean he drinks with some NPCs sometimes
atomic forge
@ornate shore 🤔
crude patrol
I shared a bottle of Ambrosia with Achilles just 10 minutes ago
atomic forge
he needs to cool his head, zag's always to hot 😄
sour stone
💦
ornate shore
its a lie, offscreen Achilles drank it all
crude patrol
no u
atomic forge
Hm.
Wonder if the Isles of the Blessed will be a part of the underworld
It's not something I see mentioned often in Greek-related stories
atomic forge
Mhhh I hope they implement titan buffs (you get at the blood gates :D)
ornate shore
cuz Zag said that Elysium is part of the way to the surface
atomic forge
The Isles of the Blessed are off to the side though
He wouldn't need to go through them to get out
ornate shore
will see
atomic forge
Since it's a place only for those who've been able to attain Elysium again and again
crude patrol
Yep, just another alternate option in a roguelike :X
look at what I just found.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Nekyia_Staatliche_Antikensammlungen_1494_n2.jpg/1024px-Nekyia_Staatliche_Antikensammlungen_1494_n2.jpg
its 
visual laurel
there he is!!!
sour stone
that's a bold display
runic terrace
gotta run to the museum and draw a little :)) on the boulder cause op mustve forgot it ;o;
(THIS IS A JOKE DONT DEFACE IT)
atomic forge
Going over to deface it right now
frozen jolt
:no:
kind quest
For some reason I imagine the map of stages becoming one of those ancient-old Greek vases, with crudely depicted Zag fumbling from one place to another upwards.
sour stone
is putting a face on a rock "de-facing" it?
crude patrol
I am taking that at face value
next holly
So is it one ambrosia to each npc, and you get a gift? I gave my first and second to Achilles...
And any suggestions about priority? I have the opportunity to give Poseidon some right now...
tranquil bough
you can get infinite ones
lunar kiln
maxxing out sisyphus' relationship unlocks bouldy's route
tranquil bough
and I'd give the olypians theirs when you get the opportunity since the people in the house are more consistently available
next holly
And that takes visits? Ambrosia? Either?
next holly
Is that tagged somewhere? I can’t find it on google
lunar kiln
who? me?
yes i am
just read achilles' codex entry on the wiki and read the part that takes a hundred conversations to unlock and i cried a little,
runic terrace
"none....... yet"
lunar kiln
i'm sure bouldy has a soft and calming voice
runic terrace
"mister sisyphwus pwease im fawwing down this hiww" ;0;
visual laurel
@next holly priority is really just up to when you meet them; there's no limit on ambrosia bottles and you can hold onto them even when you die across multiple runs so just try to get to everybody eventually
Charon has a good keepsake
sterile plover
I loved that one suggestion someone made
visual laurel
As do the various gods
sterile plover
Where we could melee Bouldy and it'd do a TINY little nudge
If we hit it with a Charge it'd be a slightly bigger nudge but still completely pointless
And Sisyphus would be all
"Good one, Prince."
"Ooh, really felt that one..."
lunar kiln
"nice try, prince"
sterile plover
It wouldn't ever DO anything
visual laurel
turns out the real trick to maxing sisyphus' affection is to push his boulder for him
sterile plover
Just be hilarious
sterile plover
ahahaha real
visual laurel
it would be funny for zag to just let loose at bouldy and not move it an inch and sisyphus is like "you've got to put your back into it, prince" and just like starts rolling it with ease
lunar kiln
DSKFHSDG
sterile plover
^YES
HOLY GODS
I mean he's had eternity to git gud at it
Zag sucks by comparison probably
"But the kid's got heart!"
visual laurel
zag's trying to hit it with weapons and that's just not how you move something like that, you have to brace against it
sterile plover
[COMES BACK WITH POSEIDON BOONS]
lunar kiln
i was literally about to say thgat
visual laurel
"i appreciate the effort, prince, really, but,"
lunar kiln
sisyphus pushing the boulder higher up as zag progresses through the underworld
"oh hey prince, nice job making it this far"
true ending when you have all hearts with him where he meets up with you at the surface, having pushed bouldy all the way
waxen furnace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1MiPFQ6mzk this is bouldy clicking game so far, ive added a little bit since then with breakable pots and other little things generating along the thing to give you money
visual laurel
true ending fhfjgkg
waxen furnace
so it can be a clicker game
lunar kiln
"you gave me the strength, prince"
waxen furnace
i hope everyone is excited for the best game
god
can bouldy just fall on top of the final boss and kill them instantly
lunar kiln
send bouldy crashing down the house of hades
cold canopy
wonderful
sterile plover
I. Hecking. LOVE IT.
runic terrace
HFJFJFHV BOULDY TRU HERO
lunar kiln
they're going to make sisyphus unnecessarily hot and i will die
runic terrace
*necissarily hot
lunar kiln
also i like to think sisyphus has come up with a bunch of fun ways to push bouldy
runic terrace
walkin on his hands and pushing w his feet
postgame sisy is freed and opens a food cart. "Im just used to pushing things" he says
lunar kiln
doing the kazotsky kick on top of bouldy
runic terrace
YES
ok myth question what would happen to him if he just, didnt
like just took a nap
lunar kiln
aren't the furies making sure he actually pushes the boulder
frozen jolt
oh that’s right
frozen jolt
I guess he only takes breaks when zag comes to visit because meg is getting ready to kill zag
waxen furnace
lol yup
which is dope cuz they help eachtoher out
real bros
no homo here
only because the hearts are locked
frozen jolt
not with that attitude
visual laurel
sisyphus says the furies haven't been around much lately
meg is preoccupied with zag and the other two are on the surface
frozen jolt
yeah two of them aren’t even around right
visual laurel
that's why he can slack off like that haha
runic terrace
sisy 🤝 zag
waxen furnace
i think the other two furies were mentioned being out on teh front lines while meg is holding teh base
frozen jolt
so he’s just chilling
waxen furnace
ye
visual laurel
he's just Chillin
runic terrace
hes chillin!!!
waxen furnace
chillin.
frozen jolt
U know what.... good for him
lunar kiln
chillin....
runic terrace
sizzzzzzzzzzzyphus
lunar kiln
sisyphus throwing bouldy like a bowling ball
visual laurel
hades would be so pissed if sisyphus got out which is why i'm all for it
waxen furnace
sameeee
lunar kiln
add insult to injury
visual laurel
this would be, like, the third time gkjdfgfd
waxen furnace
i knowww
hey guys idk how to 3d model so i made this using rectangles, is this an alright pot for my terrible spinoff game https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423945387544543232/524027606983770112/unknown.png
lunar kiln
i'm sure sisyphus has 8 currently available hearts for a reason
runic terrace
in the next update u gotta start picking ppl to liberate like its pyre hcbcbvbcv
waxen furnace
because he loves us that much
lunar kiln
DONT DO THIS TO ME
visual laurel
Looks alright to me noine!
waxen furnace
lmao nice
strange cipher
I understand that credits should be saved for the end of the game—probably with some amazing new song from Darren—but I still wouldn't mind seeing who the voice cast is.
waxen furnace
o tru
waxen furnace
yeah in one of the menus i think
visual laurel
there are! it's in one of the submenus
the voice credits are also pinned in this channel
bleak osprey
they even got patched to add in orpheus's va :')
strange cipher
If they are they must be very well hidden.
After you said that I just checked again.
Nope they're there.
Everything's hidden in plain sight.
I saw you typing there Greg.
fair light
I was going to say the Credits are there under Options > Credits yeah!
strange cipher
I had already looked there multiple times. Sigh. I'm missing the obvious a lot this past day or two.
Me: I'm curious about the voice cast. And who Logan played this game.
checks
O.o
strange cipher
And Darren plays Zag? Hawhat? And Skelly!?
visual laurel
ur trapped until you talk to him which is unfortunate if you just really dont want to talk to sisyphus for some reason
cold canopy
I bet sisyphus would give really good back rubs just sayin
strange cipher
Bouldy would agree.
cold canopy
lmao
amidst rolling bouldy up the steps
Sisyphus: Bouldy, you feel so tense! What has you so stressed?
visual laurel
gkjfhgkdfg
sisyphus and bouldy have a full standup comedy routine
sisyphus is genial and polite and gives me free things and that
is more than enough to put him in my good graces haha
runic terrace
put them on stage...come eat die ens
visual laurel
the actual reason zag calls sisyphus "sir": he's a good boy and he's been raised by nyx and achilles to be polite to people (who aren't his dad), also sisyphus was a king before so maybe that counts for something
the reason i'd like to think zag calls sisyphus "sir": sisyphus is way taller and buffer than zag
bleak osprey
i want a sisyphus hug
visual laurel
sisyphus: hey there prince!
zag, who is about half that broad: h...hello sir,
bleak osprey
i'm gonna be so good at huggin comic but it's sisyphus pushing bouldy
cold canopy
lmao
or he just lies in bouldys path
and sisyphus just rolls bouldy on top
whats the worst that can happen hes immortal
strange cipher
That's true.
He dies super painfully all the time.
He's died more pathetic ways before.
Accidentally stepping into lava.
Killed by Ares' own buff.
runic terrace
HFHCBFJG THE YOTSUBA COMIC W THE EXCERSIZE BALL BUT ZAG AMD BOULDY
visual laurel
when i was trying to spam sisyphus encounters so i could max out his hearts i just waded out into the lava as soon as i got into asphodel many times
runic terrace
strange cipher
wow
visual laurel
by the way, don't bother
he has a little bit of smthn to say at like half hearts but after that it doesn't change much haha
but i had to know...
strange cipher
"Zagreus, what do you do in your free time?"
"I like to bathe in lava so I can see my friend more often."
visual laurel
^ me
strange cipher
I'm a Zag x Meg shipper. Although that's probably the most unhealthy reasonable option.
They kill each other on the daily. What could go wrong?
visual laurel
i wouldn't say it's the most unhealthy but they definitely seem to have some difficult to reconcile issues haha
and meg certainly seems to blame zagreus for not just sitting down and putting up with it like everybody else does
she sees him as spoiled and selfish
running off like that and leaving everyone else behind to clean up his messes and manage hades' anger
strange cipher
She doesn't seem any less annoyed at me when I give her stuff. 😛
visual laurel
i mean...as long as zag keeps running off, i'd imagine she wouldn't be less annoyed lol
"i'm sorry it has to be like this" don't mean much when it literally Doesn't Have To Be Like That
strange cipher
And I just had the realization that, of course, no matter who we ship with Zag, they wouldn't be able to accompany him if Zag left the underworld.
Every ship is doomed to sink.
What a positive thought...
visual laurel
supergiant has always been a connoisseur of heartbreak haha
strange cipher
I mean there's still Aphrodite.
visual laurel
i refuse to ship zag with any of the gods because they're Awful
frozen jolt
she’s married tho
runic terrace
eeeyup
hey.....theres always the ladies and or gentlemen shes gonna set him up with
visual laurel
"aphrodite stay away from zag" initiative
frozen jolt
but still she does go like “uh you know I have a husband right” at him so
bleak osprey
does it ever mean much where the greek gods are concerned
frozen jolt
lol ur right
visual laurel
they're just playing with him, zag deserves better 😔
runic terrace
👆
bleak osprey
i swear every time i've looked up a greek myth, someone is getting cheated on somewhere in it
they're worse than bloody soaps for it
runic terrace
zeus is gonna backstab him so so so bad
so is poisedon and aphrodite
ares is gonna front stab him and like lick the blood or somethin freaky like that
frozen jolt
They already get ridiculously mad at him when he has to choose
runic terrace
YEAH
frozen jolt
Poseidon calls people crusty tho and that’s funny so I like him
runic terrace
hfhjfhjj yes
visual laurel
i mean yeah the gods do that, they LOVE drama
the whole trojan war was gods manufacturing drama
runic terrace
mount olympus drama factory
lunar kiln
bleak osprey
the gods whenever you pick a side and then beat the room anyway
runic terrace
HFHJJFHJBJ
strange cipher
The first time I encountered a room where you had to pick I got so scared.
visual laurel
poor achilles
poor patroclus. i hope he made it to the other side
strange cipher
I thought my choice would actually change the game going forward.
visual laurel
eventually
strange cipher
Thank god (hah) it doesn't work like that.
runic terrace
patroclus. where are you.
bleak osprey
i'm just kinda hoping the asphodel meadows getting flooded by the phlegethon didn't, like...... mess w/ any of the shades kicking about in there??
runic terrace
patrocluuuuuus pleaaaaase. patroclus show up in game challenge
visual laurel
i will riot if we don't run into patroclus and odysseus, those are my only two requirements for the rest of the game gkdfghdfj
strange cipher
Odysseus would be great.
And I... think I remember who Patroclus was? Maybe?
Wait, no, that was someone else.
I know the name though.
Hey those were big books. And I have a learning disability. And high school was years ago.
lunar kiln
sisyphus' 6th heart dialogue wasnt as gay as the previous one but it is welcome anyway
strange cipher
lol
lunar kiln
i hope it doesnt do like dusa
when i gave my 5th bottle to dusa she just didn't say anything
but that was a couple days ago
strange cipher
The first couple dozen times coming back to the House of Hades was great.
But now nobody ever has anything to say.
So half of the wonder of the game is gone until the next content update, lol.
lunar kiln
i like the running joke that nobody knows what time it is
mystic tusk
the room cosmetics, do any of them have any other "practical" effects besides the scrying bowl which tells you your kill count and # of attempts?
vale estuary
@mystic tusk None of the extra ones yet do
mystic tusk
thanks!
strange cipher
It was only after I put in the effort (over two runs using the Hypnos item) to obtain the Aphrodite wall scroll that I wondered if I actually wanted a poster of a naked goddess in my bedroom.
last current
lol if you don't get to fill your room with posters of aphrodite when the game is completed i'ma be upset
atomic forge
neat crow
I think Kimo did a better crop than I did 😂
strange cipher
Zagreus is so cool.
I wanna be Zagreus when I grow up.
Die horribly repeatedly.
❤
atomic forge
strange cipher
That just looks creepy.
proud raptor
Are we saying Poseidon is the creepy uncle?
atomic forge
Finally beat that damn hydra. Amazingly did it without having to use second chances because of the multiple Aphrodite boons I got lucky with negated most damage.
Poseidon is the fun uncle
mystic tusk
once you have all the keepsakes, does gifting ambrosia actually do anything else? or is it just the little conversation lines of further gifts?
valid parcel
Just the conversations
mystic tusk
so I ain't going to get orpheus to sing with ambrosia gifts, am I?
valid parcel
Oh, you get that from giving him ambrosia, too
But iirc everyone else just gives more conversations
faint socket
fun uncle, or funcle, if you will
visual laurel
@strange cipher you may have already looked it up and if so i apologize but patroclus was achilles' closest companion from childhood on and they had a bond so strong that achilles wanted them to be buried together. bones in the same urn and all
strange cipher
Ah, interesting.
visual laurel
also when patroclus was killed achilles went into a two-day-long depression slump before murdering half the trojan army singlehandedly and trying to fight a literal river
strange cipher
I vaguely remember that.
visual laurel
he also dragged the body of hector, patroclus' killer, behind his chariot for an obscenely long time and was gonna let dogs eat it before priam came and begged for the return of the corpse
as you might expect a number of individuals throughout history have interpreted their closeness as romantic and not without reason, haha
the game seems to be doing so as well, although achilles, with the hindsight of being dead, seems fairly ashamed of both his pride and anger as a soldier, and of his decision to go to war knowing he would die young rather than living a long but obscure life "at home, with patroclus"
thus he hasn't sought patroclus out since they died and it seems like patroclus hasn't come looking for him either, at least not successfully
I'm hoping he'll show up later and we can maybe reconcile the two of them or at least hear from Patroclus too ;;
pale ridge
Also dragging Hector's body like that was, like, breaking some of the biggest taboos in their society
pale ridge
Destroying the body without giving it a funeral would keep his shade from ever passing on
visual laurel
not giving bodies a proper burial kept-- yeah
atomic forge
Especially royal dead.
visual laurel
royal pious dead
would've seriously incurred some godly wrath, not that achilles cared at all at that point
valid parcel
'fight me'- achilles at hector, agamemnon, the gods, a river,
visual laurel
"Even so has Agamemnon angered me. And yet - so be it, for it is over; I will force my soul into subjection as I needs must; I will go; I will pursue Hektor who has slain him whom I loved so dearly, and will then abide my doom when it may please Zeus and the other gods to send it."
just grabbed from perseus project and kind of shakespearean in tone but you get the point
Then said Achilles in his great grief, "I would die here and now, in that I could not save my comrade. He has fallen far from home, and in his hour of need my hand was not there to help him. What is there for me? Return to my own land I shall not, and I have brought no saving neither to Patroklos nor to my other comrades of whom so many have been slain by mighty Hektor; I stay here by my ships a useless burden upon the earth, I, who in fight have no peer among the Achaeans, though in council there are better than I."
dude was Upset
pale ridge
Also worth mentioning how Patroclus died
Achilles was fighting alongside the other Greeks, and basically carrying their entire team, because he was so much more powerful than anyone else
But then he got offended over a minor insult while dividing up plunder
So he went to his tent and sulked for weeks, praying to the gods that the Greeks would all get killed
Patroclus was terrified because the Trojans were quickly gaining the advantage without Achilles there, so he begged Achilles to come back and help, but Achilles refused
Patroclus at this point had a plan: he "borrowed" Achilles' magic armor from the gods, that was obvious and flashy and distinctive, and wore it out where the Trojans could see it—and the Trojans of course were terrified and went running back to their city
But Hector (the strongest Trojan, basically Achilles's counterpart) suspected something was up, because Patroclus didn't have Achilles's confidence
So he went out, challenged Patroclus directly—and killed him
When Achilles learned that Patroclus had died because he, Achilles himself, was sulking over a minor insult, it basically broke him
And it's hinted at in the Odyssey (where there's a necromancy scene) that Achilles never tried to find Patroclus in the afterlife because he feels too guilty, he doesn't think he can look Patroclus in the eye again after what he did
atomic forge
So
I think in this game Aphrodite is related to Zeus
Now this is a theory going off something super small so take it with a grain of rice
But I noticed that both zeus, and all his children, have the same effect around them in their portraits
pale ridge
(Don't all the gods have that though?)
pale ridge
(All the Olympians at least?)
atomic forge
Oh
Yeah
I just realised that poseidon has it too
well
there goes my theory
wait
ares called aphrodite sister
Aphrodite was "born" from a certain body part of Ouranus falling into the ocean which should not make her Ares sister but great-aunt. As Ouranus son was Zeus' father and Zeus is Ares father. So that might have been changed. But the familial relationships of greek gods are so messed up it's hard to keep track.
if i can find that dialogue in the text i guess that confirms it
I'm fairly certain I heard it.
Aphrodite has varying accounts of her family
so i didnt wanna do anything until i got some confirmation
It struck me as strange since I was sure he'd make reference to them being lovers.
But yeah as you said
Varying accounts
Myths are told by so many people there is no definite ruling on anything.
i do believe there are some stories where she is a child of zeus
so
wait
unrelated but
wouldnt meg and zag have considered eachother siblings until recently
Yes. Probably.
It's uhhh
well there go the ex boyfriend theories
Greek myth figures are that way.
Zeus married his sister.
yeeaaahhh
but i doubt super giant wants to go game of thrones with this game
considering its rating
Yeah.
pale ridge
They're not related though so it's fine :p
atomic forge
yeah but...
when they would have hypothetically dated they would have thought they were so
Then again. Who knows if they were even raised together.
they could now perhaps, but not in the past
visual laurel
meg acts like she's a good bit older than zag
pale ridge
pushes more and more bottles of ambrosia at Meg
visual laurel
i think it's just, like,
it's not worth worrying overly about the incest stuff or making a ton of jokes at its expense, it just sort of Is Like That
¯_(ツ)_/¯
visual laurel
cerberus is a very very very good boy.
atomic forge
correct
visual laurel
the wiki told me so.
pale ridge
Cerberus is the best dogdogdog
visual laurel
dog^3
atomic forge
Cerberus is best boys.
cold canopy
true
atomic forge
On a unrelated note
I love the conversation Hades and Zag have after you beat the hydra.
Very uhhh lampshaded?
Just gotta wait for those renovations to be done.
visual laurel
hahahahaha yeah
atomic forge
I love that supergiant went the extra step to record dialogue for that instead of only a pop-up message
valid parcel
https://imgur.com/a/Rn6OOo1
um. is this saying what I think it's saying? the more Zag absorbs darkness through the mirror, the more he's chained to the underworld?
because that... has a lot of implications, given Nyx's involvement with the mirror
sick grove
Lots of ominous language, especially in those 'sacrifice health void pits'
Gives me end-game vibes
visual laurel
i mean, zag will never not be a chthonic god - at least, as we understand him currently anyways - so it makes sense he'd grow more powerful through his connection to the underworld
and if he is "born of darkness" it makes sense that hades would see his struggles to leave as fruitless since apparently that's an "indelible law"
valid parcel
It says that the darkness "having taken root within" is what "makes them inseparable" though, which is what's getting me
It's strange language to use if Zag was just born like that
neat crow
Mmmmm, coming back to Orpheus song each time is pleasant
I hope they give him a song or two more by the time full release rolls out
sick grove
If anything, 'undeniable rules' are the kind of things gods are good at breaking :V
valid parcel
@neat crow I'd be really surprised if they didn't
sick grove
Love the touch of the audio getting faded when you head to your bedroom. Feels wonderful.
visual laurel
but it also says that only those born of the underworld can even use darkness
valid parcel
Yeah. I'm interpreting that as 'those born of the underworld can absorb this thing which binds them even further to it'
visual laurel
right
valid parcel
It just stuck out to me, given that Zag's whole reason for absorbing darkness is so he can reach the surface, but it makes him 'gain oneness with the underworld'
visual laurel
but "those born of darkness must remain in darkness" doesn't imply that it's the fault of absorbing darkness that would keep him down
valid parcel
Good point
visual laurel
The audio fading effect reminded me heavily of the muffling you get when you enter turn() in transistor
and it was all i could think of
it might be the same filter
neat crow
Yeah, now that I think of it, you're probably right ven
visual laurel
hmhm? about the filter?
neat crow
Ah, yes, sorry. The filter 
visual laurel
yeah. sgg reuses a lotta stuff so i wouldn't be surprised if that was their go-to for muffling but it was so funny how my brain just went turn()? turn()???
waxen furnace
turn()!
scenic comet
Delayed as hell: there is also a few myths where Aphrodite was born of Zeus and Dione.
Including the Iliad, in fact!
Mythology be cray cray.
pale ridge
Also maybe Zagreus is the child of Zeus and Persephone
scenic comet
Indeed, that is also a possibility.
And boy do I look forward to seeing the answer. rubs their hands
waxen furnace
I think im gonna start posting the Bouldy Clicker Game updates in self promo just to not spam this chat with links
B)
visual laurel
👏
waxen furnace
but yeah posted a new one
theres some random generation and coin collection now
we are getting closer to a game
dabs
neat crow
I wonder if they'll have weapon-specific challenge arenas/progression like in the previous SGG games?
queen sierra
Achilles: go to your room, zagreus
me: UM RUD—oh right
rigid violet
first hydra kill, boons going off the screen
and i did it without even using the 2 extra death protect i bought lmao
wintry wasp
Does anyone have a screenshot of the final message after the Hydra?
Or just the text from there.
crude patrol
Megalovania queues
crude patrol
cosmic lagoon
Is it already known you can bypass hydras phases if you kill him quickly enough?
visual laurel
i thought phase skips were patched out in the most recent update
waxen furnace
Yeah they get invincibility sheilds after they lose enough hp to phase transform
Which is really more annoying on meg than anything else because she seems to randomly become invincible for no reason
runic terrace
i mean i havent hydrad yet but meg kinda curls into a ball so at least theres at least. visual indicator
tranquil bough
It still slows the game down rather then make it harder
If you have the burst damage in your build to skip phases, you can easily beat them either way
visual laurel
y'all ever look at zag's slide onto the main menu and think "man i wish i had a gif of that"
i'm making my off-brand image editor do things it would rather not do
visual laurel
it tried to lock up on 46 frames
lunar kiln
(smash announcer voice) ZAGREUS
visual laurel
i don't even want to IMAGINE more than that
waxen furnace
the best part is you made it non looping
so it would be perfect in like, the hades faq chat or something
visual laurel
i made it non-looping because it's irritating to see it loop in discord but i do have a looping version too eheheh
waxen furnace
non looping is so perfect for a chat like that tho
since you rarely open it
and when you do
BOOM
fancy
lunar kiln
disaster goth murders his way to freedom
waxen furnace
lmao i wish it looped nicer 😛
visual laurel
i'm still learning how to do this gkfhdgfd
lunar kiln
someone post the death animation
pliant jolt
such a nice death animation
crude patrol
RUN ZAGREUS! RUN!
Mother always told me, life is like a bottle of Ambrosia. You always know what you get.
ornate shore
oof
robust remnant
yeeee, it's quite a long animation, it's great
strong musk
I like to think of the death animations as some prank by Thanatos
"Lemme spin you a bit"
ornate shore
Still looks smooth af
lunar kiln
yknow diving in the water like that really hurts
runic terrace
belly flop
lunar kiln
thats what actually finishes him off
visual laurel
gkdfhgkjdf
strong musk
Death was a former wrestler
When your time comes, he's notified then procees to run and suplex you
lunar kiln
zag jumping in the river styx: CANNONBALLLLLLL
visual laurel
zag realizing halfway into asphodel that there's no way he's gonna be able to beat the hydra with this build and jumping into the river phlegethon: THIS MAY AS WELL HAPPENNNN
lunar kiln
frozen jolt
heartbreaking: the worst person you know just said something you agree with
solar pollen
Hades is bitter and petty
atomic forge
That real?
frozen jolt
yes but hes sarcastic i assume
atomic forge
Lmao
frozen jolt
because hypnos says "i bet you died on purpose just to give me this" when you gift him that time
atomic forge
Honestly all of Zag's lines feel semi sarcastic
tranquil bough
Yes and I love it
atomic forge
Mood
pale nest
You monster
severe thicket
pale ridge
But mythologically, the Kindly Ones only get involved in wars when there's an outright massacre, hundreds to thousands of people dying in the span of a couple minutes
So what exactly is happening up there…?
frozen jolt
isnt meg the kindly one?
pale nest
The Calamity
lunar kiln
meg is apparently the nicest of the furies
pale ridge
(Meg is one of them; people generally call the Furies as a group the Kindly Ones to avoid making them angry)
The Calamity
omg
frozen jolt
ohh i see
frozen jolt
i just remember someone saying shes the nicest of all of them
pale ridge
I think she is? Though, y'know, torturing people with whips also, so "nicest" is relative
runic terrace
-bastions calamity
-pyres titans
-wow...what process of destruction is happening up there
strong musk
I will stick to my Roman invasion meme theory
livid kiln
That or Percy Jackson's attack on titan arc?
scenic comet
That or if you want to go weird, it's modern times and dealing with being forgotten.
strong musk
Woah let's not get Suda51 in here
scenic comet
Gods Need Prayer Badly is a pretty common trope in fantasy settings.
strong musk
Nah the joke was about how in killer7 the internet was banned, hene information wasn't spread around as quickly
lunar kiln
livid kiln
"from time to time"
lunar kiln
"i tried to kill you because i'm bored"
livid kiln
i mean
scenic comet
I've heard, Pigasus.
livid kiln
it's not like he can die anyway
strong musk
Loser Cowboy: Revenge is a fool's game
Supreme Gods: Dude revenge is a fun hobby
livid kiln
The Chad Supreme God vs The Virgin Cowboy
scenic comet
Oh, whoops.
Athena threw a fit because a girl wove a better cloth using stuff from Zeus's lovelife.
(I used another s word instead of stuff.)
livid kiln
She also cursed Medusa to become a gorgon cuz she and Poseidon were banging in her temple
scenic comet
And in some versions, Medusa was in there for protection.
livid kiln
Well, other versions are far more grim
pale ridge
Oh, so I found an interesting thing in Vergil…
Here's my quick and kind of messy translation
"The poets speak of two twin sisters, scourges known as the Furies. Dread Nyx created them in a single stroke, along with Tartarus-bound Megaera, bound(?) them with the same coiled serpants, added on wings formed from wind itself. They attend Zeus's throne, perched on the savage king's threshold, and sharpen the fears of dying mortals whenever the King of the Gods rains down plagues and destruction upon the earth, or terrifies the deserving with war."
(Aeneid XII.845 and onwards)
valid parcel
re: the war on the surface, could it have something to do with Persephone disappearing? if the seasons have gone haywire, that could cause a lot of conflict
lunar kiln
crack (?) theory: hades takes place in one of sgg's previous games' universe
never explicitely stated but it connects here and there
pale ridge
All the games are in the same universe
Why do you think so many people wanted to escape into the virtual reality of Cloudbank? Because of the Calamity
lunar kiln
most obvious one: hades takes place during that one war in pyre
case in point: sandra's ball in zag's room
in the neutral/bad ending of pyre where the rebellion ends in bloodshed
atomic forge
Pretty crackpot but it's a fun thought nonetheless
cold canopy
How did you do
atomic forge
Got it to about half health
native kindle
I got super demolished the first time I got to the hydra 😄
but I did came back with a vengeance and properly destroyed it 😛 granted I had one of the most powerful build I had so far
cold canopy
I still haven’t beaten it after 4 tries
tranquil bough
I had a the bow with some upgrades, crit dash, and aphrodites attack when I got to the Hydra for the first time so no wonder I wrecked it
tranquil bough
a single run is under 20 minutes if you're fast
atomic forge
thats for a run with upgrades though
tranquil bough
but if you're talking about the game in general, there is lots of stuff to unlock, and the individual runs can take much, much longer then 20 minutes if you're careful or less lucky with upgrades
atomic forge
when people start they wont have any upgrades at all, any keepsakes, any understanding of the systems
tranquil bough
yes, I just wasn't sure if the question was about average run length or the game in general
glass lava
mm because everything else looks phenomenal but I'm not sure about the length considering it's a roguelike
atomic forge
well the whole thing about roguelikes is their replayability
glass lava
Yeah
atomic forge
even after you "beat" it you can keep doing runs
plus, its early access
we get our first major match in less than a month
glass lava
that's the worry thought is there much to unlock after you beat it
atomic forge
which will add more playtime
tranquil bough
lots of stuff
atomic forge
ive definetly got my moneys worth so far
tranquil bough
maxing out affinity with the characters takes a while, as well as the lore documents
atomic forge
epic games doesnt have a time counter but im guessing ive put around 15 hours in so far and i havent beat it yet
glass lava
like if you look at isaac average playtime is something like 400 hours on steam... obvs im not looking for THAT much but still.. at least 50 would be nice
atomic forge
right now you wont get 50 hours in if youre looking just for beating it
but if you want to max out upgrades/relationships with other characters
you could probably reach it
atomic forge
and new content will be getting added often so
glass lava
I trust in supergiant's ability to make games tbh :^
glass lava
only good releases so far to say the least
honest coral
Hades is defo not 50 hours right now
Under 15 maybe
I've probably spent less than 10 hours and I feel like I've done everything worth doing
waxen furnace
see ive done like 50 runs at like 25 minutes each which is about 20 hours worth and I have everyone maxed on ambrosia, more keys than necessary by a landslide, and darkness enough to fill up the whole mirror.
so yeah not quite 50 hours yet 😛
tranquil bough
I think I'm probably off because I had to restart due to not getting the codex
waxen furnace
oh rip lol
tranquil bough
I got to unlocking everything except the reputation because I didn't know about it at all in roughly 50-60 runs as well and I don't mind picking it up and unlocking it again which would put it at around 50 hours
but probably wouldn't have done that without the incentive of actually filling out the codex
answered to fast and didn't think about the fact that I got screwed over by a bug and wouldn't be playing for that long otherwise
waxen furnace
lol
honest coral
I've done around 50 runs and for sure I've spent under 20 hours
shy abyss
Is Elysium going to be the next zone after Asphodels?
pale ridge
I beat the Hydra!!
tranquil bough
congrats
pale ridge
And Hades was renovating so I couldn't go any farther
But I didn't get to brag to Meg 😦
lunar kiln
owo whats this
frozen jolt
maxed out everyone's hearts but charon and sisyphus for now 🎉
pliant jolt
nice
last current
same, haven't been seeing much of sisyphus and sitting on a ton of ambrosia
charons done for me tho
bleak osprey
i never have ambrosia when i see sisyphus OTL
bleak osprey
that's why he's like "uh,,,,, prince??" if you start smashing pots
leave him somewhere to hide the bottles!!
visual laurel
It's ok sparrow sisyphus doesn't have a ton to say rn anyways
bleak osprey
yeah but it's the spirit of the thing,, i wanna Give Him Nice Things
visual laurel
you know out of everyone in the game...sisyphus is the only one who just Give You Things
he deserves it
everyone else: give me ambrosia and i'll give you an item
sisyphus: oh you don't have to give me anything, prince z, here, take your pick of what i have
visual laurel
he hoards his prison lunches fhfjgkg
fickle vigil
but shades don't eat?
which leads to the question, why does he have the Happy Meal to begin with
runic terrace
because he wants to help zag ;u;
frozen jolt
he makes it just for zag because hes so kind
visual laurel
he has nothing better to do now that the furies aren't enforcing Real Bouldy Hours
runic terrace
REAL BOULDY HOURS/IF U ARENT ROLLIN UR TROLLIN
runic terrace
hfjfhf no its so good i had to read it twice to see you didnt write underworld
solar depot
the most skillful joaks are the joaks no one ever gets
runic terrace
when charon sells u another death defy
boreal notch
ebon cradle
hahahaha
boreal notch
when you're too cool to die
jolly onyx
What origin do y'all think they are using for Aphrodite? Is she the daughter of Zeus or Uranus's junk foam spawn? I can't recall if she has referred to Zag as her cousin.
atomic forge
I tried looking through game files for that but couldnt find it
queen sierra
pour one out for life drinker lads
keen nymph
i do appreciate the meta jokes about the underworld being under renovations after clearing the hydra
queen sierra
also please consider: zag taking a meal from Sisyphus and then they share it on bouldy
runic terrace
YES
queen sierra
sharing a happy meal is PEAK romance
runic terrace
lady and the tramp-ing with a fry
scenic comet
"What have I wrought to have such a careless, witless brat as my progeny?"
"Get out of my head."
Ouch.
visual laurel
YEAH
pale ridge
What converter are you using? I used ffmpeg for the Transistor ones, but Hades uses bink version 2, which ffmpeg can't handle
visual laurel
i'm using rad video tools, which is theoretically the native bink player
pale ridge
Huh
cold canopy
oh nooo ffmpeg wont work anymore?
pale ridge
Yeah 😦
And you're converting to GIF? That's probably why those artifacts show up, yeah
GIF just isn't a great format
visual laurel
cold canopy
dang they still look really nice tho
visual laurel
technically converting to many many .png's and then to gif via a different program because rad video tools doesn't like gif
scenic comet
D'aw, the hydra head looks cute.
pale ridge
I wish there were an open-source video format with transparency honestly
But I don't know of any
cold canopy
webm right?
scenic comet
Like as if it's saying "how do you do?"
somber flame
visual laurel
👀
cold canopy
back when I got the gifs from transistor I had to do SO MUCH WORK to get them into the right format
I used them to make a twitch donation thingy but never used it
I should dig around for that some day and put it in fan works
visual laurel
cold canopy
this thing is my nightmare
visual laurel
but yeah fair warning it does Not like gifs
cold canopy
I couldn't get it to work with the transistor ones for so long
visual laurel
works now lol
cold canopy
i tried emailing and calling them several times for nothing
lmao
I could have just not done it right but
visual laurel
it works with the pyre animations too
cold canopy
ooooo sick
visual laurel
if i wanted to painstakingly edit the lighting effect out of all 140+ frames i could but i'm not gonna
oh hey have these too
they're the same model, just different animations
visual laurel
anyways a good chunk of stills from these models are up on the wiki now so the enemies actually have pics lol
ok so like i guess the real question is who gave bouldy a face
did the furies put it on there as a joke. did sisyphus put it there. is bouldy actually a member of a species of boulders that just happen to have faces.
cold canopy
I think the default assumption is that Sisyphus carved it into him out of boredom for a friend
But it'd also be sick to find out he is an ancient sentient rock species
visual laurel
well yes that is the one that makes sense, though when would he have found the time gkjdfgfd
cold canopy
and simply chooses not to speak to anyone but Sisyphus
cold canopy
imagine like
lime yoke
omg Bouldy is a crystal gem
cold canopy
Zag walks through the next door after talking with Sisyphus and then puts his ear back to the door. He is able to make out a conversation with Sisyphus and a voice he has not heard before.
Sisyphus: Come on, the prince is clearly a nice lad why don't you ever say hi?
???: They must not know the truth, Sisyphus.
lime yoke
he's shy
visual laurel
"i want to introduce you to him properly!" no one but you may know
hazy bear
i want this now lol
cold canopy
same
visual laurel
cold canopy
YES
scenic comet
I just called the Lemean Bone Hydra an 'angry skelly noodle.'
visual laurel
i would be too if some upstart punk had cut all my heads off
i wish i knew ed well enough to @ him
he changed his icon to so he's clearly one of us but
neat crow
Is anyone else disappointed that the Hydra doesn't come back and stick its head out of the Pool in the House of Hades after you defeat it? I mean, Meg comes back...
pale ridge
Right?? I told my brother we should bring it back as a pet but he said no
neat crow
Then Hydra and Cerberus could have conversations and/or play
pale ridge
(Also gdi Meg why do you keep not being there I want to brag about beating the Hydra)
Only multi headed pets are allowed her
Here
Two heads minimum
scenic comet
But what about Bouldy?
visual laurel
bouldy is sisyphus' friend uvu
as long as sisyphus is stuck out there in tartarus, bouldy will be by his side
pale ridge
Bouldy is a friend not a pet
trim vigil
@visual laurel Out of curiosity, what tool are you using to convert your PNG sequence into a GIF? And is there a reason why you are not using webm?
visual laurel
i don't know what webm is
i'm just using GIMP because it's been my art program for literal years and i'm used to it and hate change lol
i know it's not the best free editor out there or anything but i already have it so why not
visual laurel
oh, huh
i don't recall really seeing webm around much though?
trim vigil
I believe imgur, when you upload a gif, does a webm conversion automatically
And if you are familiar with websites such as 9gag, every "video" there (or "gif" like the users still call them) are in webm
stark tulip
if I’m not wrong webm isn’t great on iOS devices
trim vigil
Yeah, Apple still doing their shenanigans unfortunatly
Quicktime doesn't supports webms 😦
mossy cairn
Anyone knows what the next major patch is going to be about?
visual laurel
Nope! Just that it's gonna be a content update, as opposed to (or in addition to) a patch/fix
tranquil bough
There are lots of things it could be
New area, new conversations, new weapon, new olympians...all of those...
pale nest
Give me my narcissus already
amber canyon
Probably a new Area, and one weapon and one new god if I were to guess
pale nest
A flamethrower-style weapon would be nice
lunar kiln
unlocked Gun
native kindle
well, we already have lots of long range options, I'd like the next weapon to be super close range with with damage that would reward a higher skill level when it comes to movement and positionning
fiery isle
an axe would be amazing
ornate shore
Yeah
native kindle
well, it would likely feel like the sword and the polearm combined. I'd be in for "dual wielding daggers" or something like that
native kindle
they don't have to be "to the letter" specific with the lore, and they could provide the lore to justify it as well. more so if you want some very unconventional weapons eventually.
pale nest
If we’re going straight to lore, a Caduceus would be neat
pale nest
I mean, it could send people into a coma
amber canyon
My bets are Scythe and Whip
Scythe has the obvious theme that fits wonderfully, has a legendary weapon grounded in lore, and covers a playstyle we dont have yet
And whip is a way to have a second ranged weapon without just being a slightly altered bow
Axe probably overlaps a bit too much with world splitter sword
tranquil bough
Axe as a slower, but more damaging sword so you have to be more careful with positioning and can't stunlock as easily could be interesting
Flamethrower instead of weapon could be a hephaistos cast