zag can hear the narrator and so can everyone else, zag shushes him to not wake up everyone when he sneaks around
#h1-story-discussion
runic terrace
hexed scarab
yea so it has to be someone right
runic terrace
zag walks around with a constant grouchy guy complaining about his room over his shoulder AND EVERYONE CAN HEAR and its amazing
and its also someone who knows his real mother
onyx spoke
I mean, it could be that Zag is unaware that no one else hears it
hexed scarab
the Dude abides
livid kiln
Nah man
hexed scarab
the carpet just puts the room together, in zags case that poster lol
full yacht
lol the archjustice androbeles' punishment from pyre is to narrate forever
bleak osprey
i love when zag shushes the narrator
full yacht
since he loves talking so much he can just talk forver
mossy vale
so... boulder bro earned what he's getting
livid kiln
READER
full yacht
a fitting punishment
runic terrace
my secret wish was that this guy escapes to the worl of pyre to get powerdrunk but this is even better
cursed to follow some rowdy boy for all eternity!!!
full yacht
lol
mossy vale
it's also worth noting that he calls meg "the kindly one"
hexed scarab
i want to see zag get drunk with meg or meg with dusa
bleak osprey
it's actually just logan cunningham from the Real World
runic terrace
HFCJFJFJ
livid kiln
the pain
hexed scarab
better yet hades and zag both get drunk together and have father and son moment
full yacht
i think hades and zagreus will reconcile later in the game
and olympians will betray him
runic terrace
idk if anyone here uminekos but i reaaaaallly would love hadesnarrator and aj to have a bernkastel-rika like relatuonship
full yacht
exactly
runic terrace
just The Same Person Again Only Meaner
hexed scarab
what if you beat the game the goal is to get back into the underworld
livid kiln
he's a stern father, and very difficult to please, with high expectations
hexed scarab
the olympians have you trapped and youre trying to get back for whatever reason
full yacht
lol it transforms into god of war and zagreus just starts brutally killing the gods
be a funny parody
livid kiln
well here's a fun thought
runic terrace
if it turns out hades is like an irredeemably bad guy i will be hootin and hollerin like part of me wants his dad to not just be mean, but evil hjfhjfhj
livid kiln
and you may or may not know this
but Zagreus, in greek mythology, is to inherit the throne of Olympus
hexed scarab
be funny to see blades of chaos in the background just a slight nod nothing more
livid kiln
In the Orpheic Mythology of Greece, Zag is the son of persephone & zeus, or persephone & hades, and is the heir to the throne
bleak osprey
honestly there's one line of aphrodite's that makes me Big Sad about what zag's home life was like even before he started trying to escape
full yacht
which line is that?
hexed scarab
si which line?
mossy vale
it depends on the telling btw
livid kiln
what i like is the line on Athena, who says she thinks there's something wrong btw/ Zeus and Hades
Like MAYBE
bleak osprey
livid kiln
DIS WOHMAN
mossy vale
like.. all of this has multible different versions and this game has already subverted a lot of greek "cannon" so to say
hexed scarab
ah well thats such a tease
livid kiln
Hades is God of Wealth
bleak osprey
it's jsut the way she points out that the "feasting is plentiful" and then immediately says it must be the opposite to what he's accustomed
livid kiln
You can't have a more lavish life
full yacht
aphrodite and poesidon definitely seem the most egotistical of the gods
bleak osprey
hades are you feeding ur boy
livid kiln
Than Hades' place
full yacht
zeus is surprisingly humble compared to most depictions
livid kiln
He don't need no feeding, he's a GOD
livid kiln
Hades is fruitarian
hexed scarab
side thought they put in a dlc where you play as red trying to escape the country, just a thought
mossy vale
mostly , ares is an abject a## normally, and hades and persephone are one of only 2 actually functioning marridges among the gods
hexed scarab
dlc aka free update
mossy vale
the other being eros and psyche
bleak osprey
i like how there's a bazillion pomegranates in the house but it's only the ones that drop in tartarus that are suprpowered
visual laurel
radiation
bleak osprey
y'know what, fair
amber canyon
Wait, didnt he kidnap Persephone and basically force her to marry him?
full yacht
breakfast for every meal
hexed scarab
it pancakes a nod to hellboy?
mossy vale
yes but .... see: literally any romance involving zues
mossy vale
... the word "no" wasn't really a concept in greece
full yacht
poor hera no wonder she's so uptight in myth
mossy vale
and also the fact that i dont' think many mothers of zues's children were all that ok with becoming said mothers
hexed scarab
ah in the comics you see hellboy lil boy eat pancakes then the next page you see hell and some demons say shi*t he found pancakes he is never coming back
livid kiln
again multiple versions, and it's also a subversion of the kidnapped woman becoming in love with their captor
you can see it in a punch of pulp fiction movies
hades was the bad boy of the gods
and pure persephone fell for it
mossy vale
the kidnaping was generally OK, particularly with the permission of the father which,... hades had because zues gave it
it was only really demeter that threw a fit
amber canyon
I mean, true, I just wouldnt call Hades and Persephone a functioning marriage
I dont recall her being particularly fond of Hades
mossy vale
in later myths they're much less.... hostile
hexed scarab
only played the god of boy one not the others
mossy vale
vs the other notable marridges .. see: zues and hera or aprhodite and hephestus
hexed scarab
good game good game
mossy vale
aphrodite openly cheats on hephe... greeks and their damn spelling holy crap
livid kiln
Later versions imply Demeter being overprotective/abusive of her daughter
Sheltering her on an island with nymphs
Etc etc
hexed scarab
just use laymans terms like boulder bro, sleep boi, etc
livid kiln
Hades falls in love, and goes to take her with him
The place looks beautiful, gold, jewels, etc
full yacht
Tthose greeks must've had some real good alcohol to come up with all this
livid kiln
CuZ HE THE GOD OF BLING
mossy vale
and .... there is practicly an entire section of the greek underworld labeled, "I didn't know it was zues trying to screw me and now hera killed me"
twin pier
@full yacht that and lots of time 
amber canyon
I dont think thats actually a section
mossy vale
i know.. i'm just saying the body count is high
oh.... also did i mention hera is zues's second wife
hexed scarab
what if hades, the game not god, has a pyre kind of ending where in the beginning your like its over then boom
its not over wont spoil just incase someone hasnt gotten that far
mossy vale
the first got pregnant... and then gai chipped in with the "hey... she's gonna have a son that's gonna overthrow you" so he basicly absorbed her and merged with her
.... this is also why athena's birth was so bizzare... athena was the other child said woman was gona have
livid kiln
and then athena existed
alpha are you getting this from overly sarcastic?
also fighting meg with the stygius is suicide
mossy vale
among others but the wording is the most recent and thus most promement yes
full yacht
i like overly sarcastic for their literature stuff but not history, as someone's who's really into history they're too biased for me
mossy vale
red>blue yeah
hexed scarab
who plays with keyboard and mouse over controller? did you change your bindings at all?
twin pier
I'm on keyboard + mouse, controls are fine 👍
hexed scarab
What mouse sens do you have? Do u use auto aim? Find it hard to aim cast without it
full yacht
Mouse sens is pretty high and I didn't even know there was auto aim
twin pier
Ye, I left the auto-aim on
livid kiln
STYGIUS IS SO BAD
hexed scarab
What's your sens?
ornate siren
I turned it off, it was making me aim where the enemy was, not where they would be
hexed scarab
I found it helped with just getting a cast off easier
twin pier
stygius is bad, shield is good, let's make shield bad too and leave stygius as it is (c) recent patch, probably
hexed scarab
Saw someone tank hyrda with sword, not sure now after patch
twin pier
I wondwer how do you even defeat hydra with a bow 
full yacht
I hear dash, scatter, and patience
livid kiln
i like the shield don't do it harm
full yacht
i think even post-patch shield is still best overall
livid kiln
he's by best friend
full yacht
spear is nice but too low damage for me
twin pier
yes, shield is great, buff other weapons, why nerf it right away? 
mossy vale
the spear is glorous
livid kiln
but i feel like the sword should be upgraded
mossy vale
i mean.. 1: for some reason aprodite's special buffs are huge on it seemingly
livid kiln
maybe give it a spin attack, or have better anti armor stuff
full yacht
I feel like the knockback from the shield makes it better than the spear
twin pier
the spear is epic, and actually works really well with "damage from behind"
mossy vale
2: . if you max backstab damage... throw thru and call back
violet nova
spear can stunlock enemies
full yacht
didn't think of that
violet nova
and it overpenetrates, so it can stunlock multiple enemies at a time
livid kiln
same w/ the sword too
hexed scarab
Is the spear the one hades used as his weapon?
livid kiln
it's good crowd control
twin pier
yes but then you get to a crowd of armored enemies 
livid kiln
and you're screwed
maybe stygius deals more damage to enemies that have a bloodstone cast on?
hexed scarab
You can charge with spear nice
Hold the thing then dash, does spinning thing but lil forward
twin pier
I like how nobody even mentions cast attacks. They even feel unnecessary for the game at the moment 
hexed scarab
Ares nice cast buff
north remnant
I did have a run today where I had a -crazy- cast attack
did 200 damage, bounced 9 times, and each bounce launched lightning bolt
hexed scarab
What's the point of blood gates
north remnant
They're pretty useless atm vegan
hexed scarab
What loot besides coins?
north remnant
darkness
north remnant
not really free, it takes up one of your rooms I'm pretty sure
1 less chance at god boon
twin pier
Some people want to get to bosses faster 🤷
past hare
its decent if theres rooms that you dont wank to go to
like i used one to skip a ares room
twin pier
^ this
north remnant
I dun mind hades rooms now that I figured them out
hexed scarab
How do you know if it's a hades room?
north remnant
dont attack, just run in circles like chicken with head cut off
north remnant
Enemies eventually stop spawning, so the rest just chase you around
past hare
its always risky tbh
especially if you get a linear one
and not something like an arena
twin pier
I mean you can fight them the first time because levels are smaller
but the second time the level is usually so big they can't catch up
@hexed scarab everything becomes red
and he talks to you 
past hare
it seems like its on specific floors
also when i wrote that i used it to skip one
i meant ares
hexed scarab
Ah yeah thought you were skipping them
If you hold cast during shield/spear charging it'll fire right away after your done attacking could be good do quickly get damage in
ornate siren
Found the artemis Legendary boon:
https://imgur.com/AOhvwG8
full yacht
so the legends are true
twin pier
Actually golden legendary
hexed scarab
wow never knew there were legends
sterile plover
So far, only found the Artemis Legendary, and the Poseidon Legendary
onyx spoke
hearthstone voice
BWAAAAAAA
GOLDEN L E G E N D A R Y
ornate siren
not enough to survive meg with a meme knockback sword build rip
sterile plover
hehehe
stoic nacelle
what weapon were you wielding when you got that?
hexed scarab
i have hard time with armor with spear
ornate siren
I was on sword. But a meme posidon knockback build, which is useless vs meg
ornate siren
Yeah but I had nothing to kill her lmao
stoic nacelle
yeah, knockback buffs are dope but p useless in the bossfights
ornate siren
And sword has no defensive utility at all
hexed scarab
wish you can have two weapons like bastion
ornate siren
You do basically tbh, with the special
hexed scarab
sword doesn't have a charge thing little dissapointed
but the special is just a weapon ability
hexed scarab
lot of standing still for a fast pace game
twin pier
Ye, basically that
hexed scarab
if the animations were faster it be better
stoic nacelle
the sword special is basically only useful with buffs imo, and even then it's not as good as the other weapon's specials
tbf though all of them are sorta risky in one way or another except the bow's
hexed scarab
feel like weapons, combat and animations needs worked on a bit
just make it easier to combo and go from one thing into the other
sterile plover
Shield special is extremely dangerous.
When you use it, you are left completely incapable of doing anything except Cast.
hexed scarab
oh shield holy f=ck
sterile plover
You also cannot recall at Will unlike Spear.
So I just... I highly recommend you just. Don't touch. Shield Special. Ever. 😛
hexed scarab
i lost it at one point like where you go it kept bouncing
twin pier
BUT buffed shield special destroys everything
hexed scarab
felt like a mom like get your a$$ back here before i beat it
sterile plover
Yes, it gains insane numbers from Boons. It's kinda wild xD
stoic nacelle
yeah, I use shield special a good bit if I find good buffs for it
stoic nacelle
I also use cast a lot so it's not like I have no options while it's bouncing around
hexed scarab
zone 2 and cast equals bye bye if you miss
sterile plover
What's your favorite Cast Boon, 7Teen?
twin pier
But then I got to hydra and every time I threw it it just flew off for like 10 seconds
hexed scarab
learning how to combo with casts and charges now its fun
twin pier
That was frustrating
stoic nacelle
Athena's cast boon might be my fave but it depends on what weapon I'm using
sterile plover
I'm trying to get used to using Cast a lot more. I'm a huge fan of True Shot (of course :P) but trying to branch out.
stoic nacelle
yeah, true shot is the other I really like
hexed scarab
when your in charge for shield and spear instead of releasing press cast
stoic nacelle
Poseidon's knockback is p good too
hexed scarab
will fire right after you attack
sterile plover
Helpful Vegan, thank you.
hexed scarab
lil nice one two action
stoic nacelle
as is Zeus's cast, but he almost always has something else I want more
sterile plover
It's kind of like the weird 3-Hit Combo you can pull with Shield Charge
hexed scarab
dash with spear makes you go forward a bit
sterile plover
Attack+Hold [1], Release Charge into Enemy [2], quickly Dash back to enemy + Click [3]
hexed scarab
gain some ground
gonna try shield charge press cast for charge into cast for wombo combo
stoic nacelle
that's interesting LeoK, I don't dash much when I have shield but I'll have to try that
hexed scarab
have cast maxed
i dash sometimes when im charging like holding it press dash youll charge
stoic nacelle
for the most part when I have shield I'll charge rather than dash because it has more options and enemies aren't usually fast enough to make it not worth.
the exceptions are when I'm fighting bombers and Meg
hexed scarab
i use special shield for bombers
stoic nacelle
same. I dashed back and forth pre-nerf, but now the throw is the call for me
sleek cape
neat crow
Shield Special with Curse damage is fun
vale estuary
At 4 hearts (not sure if 3 gifts were necessary) there was a small scene where Zagreus got drinks with Dusa
worldly pier
legendary ares cast is silly, so silly it crashed
formal berry
anyone else keeps crashing with legendary ares and zeus?
when I hit an enemy it gets like 5 effects and thrown out of the screen
frozen jolt
are there more than 2 wall scrolls?
signal crane
are there more weapons
atomic forge
eventually
there will be at the very least enough to fill up those empty spots, probably a few more? who can say though
lunar kiln
i thought getting past meg was hard but then i encountered the hydra
frozen jolt
i only have 1 more empty spot
and ive seen someone say theres one more but i guess its super rare and also costs 500
onyx spoke
bouldy pet rock pls
atomic forge
I love Jen Zee's interpretation of the figures from myth in general
cant wait to see all the placeholder art be filled in
royal sedge
i like hes more the person camu wrote about
stoic nacelle
He feels more like a blend of classic sisyphus and the camus interpretation
which I really like. The nods are there without beating you over the head with it
royal sedge
yeah its nice
frozen jolt
i beat meg for the first time 😤
frozen jolt
that level 2 heavens vengeance is soooo good
i was just making runs for the wall scroll, so i got really lucky
i had 2 empty rooms before her with a heal and a +25 life
so i walked into her fight with full health
lunar kiln
when you thirst over the main character but realize he exists only in a video game https://i.imgur.com/0NfxZkb.png
frozen jolt
aphrodite's boons have the funniest names
lunar kiln
i had "PASSION DASH" once
shrewd canyon
Rare one is only like 28 I think
lunar kiln
zag's line after accepting a boon
"i feel fabulous"
there was one where he said "there's no love without pain" or something
onyx spoke
"let's break some hearts"
supple patrol
Man she sucks though. Has anyone managed to beat her with the bow? It seems she's quicker than a normal draw, making it almost useless againts her.
shrewd canyon
Q-spamming in melee wrecks her
amber canyon
Bow is honestly the probably easiest weapon vs Meg now
shrewd canyon
The times after you do and not always I think
mossy vale
most of them...(she was missing once i think) and has like a 50/50 chance to te taling with nyx or dusa
shrewd canyon
Sometimes even after beating her in a run Zag would mention that Meg is not there
stoic nacelle
I feel bad for Meg. As much as she gives me a beating I can't help but feel a little guilty every time I kill her
mossy vale
aaaaand 6 (which is the current max)
interesting dialouge and damnit that's a cliffhanger with what she says there
stoic nacelle
can't wait
having a tough time deciding what order to max people out in because I like all the characters, so I've been spreading the love
mossy vale
she's suprisingly sympathetic
and the amount of times she says "the way things were" is making me really curious
shrewd canyon
Dusa>Achilles>Nyx>Meg>Skelly>Pupper>Daddo
stoic nacelle
recently realized it'd be a good call to save one for Meg since she doesn't show up as often though, and sometimes the gift option doesn't show up (when she's in a convo)
onyx spoke
how do you people max them out, for me it says there's over 90 conversations left to learn more
lunar kiln
dusa and meg are my favorites
mossy vale
yeah.... i went cerberous (mostly because i didn't know what i was doing ) then got to work maxing meg who i just finished
stoic nacelle
Nyx is really bad to Dusa
mossy vale
and i don't mean codex i mean the hearts you get when you gift ambrosia
and everyone is bad to dusa
save zag , meg and achillies
stoic nacelle
yeah, true. I just like Nyx in every other way\
shrewd canyon
I mean Nyx provides Dusa with a steady job so she can keep being in House of Hades and not marinating in some halls or something
stoic nacelle
Also Meg treating Dusa like a person is part of what's endeared me to her so far. She seems legit and she has a reason to dislike Zag
lunar kiln
i mean no offense but zag's kind of a prick to the majority of the underworld
stoic nacelle
I feel like games don't normally pull off this well a character who is likeable and sympathetic who just doesn't like the protag. I'm sure that'll change down her story but I really appreciate that atm
bleak osprey
really? i didn't get that impression off of zag
he seems a Good Kid, he just. doesn't get on with his dad
mossy vale
And his dad is throwing the entire underworld at him to stop him
Like.... all the npcs who dont try to kill him on site (and one of those) zag is surprisingly kind to
royal sedge
Does anyone know why dusa is like the dusa she is in gam
mossy vale
So... assuming “dusa” stsnds for “medusa” ..... she’s probably had a few centuries after getting killed by percius to work as a maid and getting chewed out constantly by hades and nyx.... add implied punishment and its no wonder shes so timid
lunar kiln
i mean i like zag but save for a few npcs and dusa he feels kind of passive aggressive to me
mossy vale
She injects it into her eyes
lunar kiln
ok he hates his dad for a good reason but
honest coral
Maid-dusa
stoic nacelle
I don't think he's so passive aggressive, just a little snarky
honest coral
lunar kiln
yeah that
honest coral
It took me a bit to realise that stealth pun
lunar kiln
im not good with words
mossy vale
A lot of it seems to be dependent on who you give ambrosia when
stoic nacelle
also idk where anyone else is with thoughts on the story, but I really don't trust the olympean gods. With the exception of Artemis they all strike me as having some sort of ulterior motive. Like they're a little too friendly
shrewd canyon
Well, you have ulterior motive too
As Meg references once
It's not like it's something out of norm for greek gods
stoic nacelle
yeah, true. I'm really interested to learn what Zag's deal is in this rendition
mossy vale
Cause with me he’s trying to make up with meg who seems to almost be an old flame
stoic nacelle
^
mossy vale
Also athena is perfecly on character
stoic nacelle
I actually think this is gonna turn out to be the case
the gods in general are great
mossy vale
Its athena’s primary thing to be a mentor for greek heroes
If you look at the codex too.... which is from the POV of achillies btw..... he expresses admiration of artimis and athena and is ..... more reserved about the others
stoic nacelle
That seems about right. Athena also struck me as more genuine than the other gods, but I trust her less than Artemis because she's clever enough to come off as genuine even if she's not lol.
mossy vale
Posidon seems to be at least somewhat genuine trying to be the “cool” uncle
stoic nacelle
it could also just easily be that the gods are dysfunctional like they actually were in the myths and not that there's some larger plot, but how Hades describes them sorta gives me the impression there are going to be some interesting story elements later
shrewd canyon
Cool white monster uncle type, yeah
mossy vale
Also I think artimis’s characterization is gonna be much more interesting once appolo/helios is introduced
As the one olympion she ever really got along well with
And her twin
mossy vale
I hope they add the others
royal sedge
Apollo dash better be his sun chairot
bleak osprey
i just got the boon conversation w/ artemis about "say hi to achilles for me" and i love her so much
mossy vale
Demeter with healing, hermes with speed, hestia with healing over time or dots
Hephestus with weapon buffs or fire dots
shrewd canyon
Demeter sounds kinda plotinfluental since we are dealing with Persephone
Not likely she will be an ordinary god
Healing would also kinda kill game
royal sedge
Yeah
shrewd canyon
Weapon upgrades are on Daedalus right now
mossy vale
Minor,,, minor healing
frozen jolt
you already get minor healing from wells
stoic nacelle
I really hope we get Hermes. Associations with speed, flight, and healing are all neat as far as powers go, and he's just generally a fun god.
mossy vale
Like.... + 4 on hit or something
frozen jolt
and the mirror upgrades
frozen jolt
that’s waaay too much
maybe a chance to get +1 on hit
you hit stuff a lot in this game lol
shrewd canyon
Still too much
frozen jolt
not if it’s a small chance
shrewd canyon
I could deal with additional 20% health refund from counterattack
And if it's too small it would be useless and never picked
mossy vale
Idk...... im just an idiot on the internet
shrewd canyon
Unless you build like Q bow
In which case you are probably gonna getting much more health than needed
Shields could be fine though
Like for every frag get 3 points of shield for 3 seconds
lunar kiln
zag is a bisexual icon https://i.imgur.com/ckg31jO.jpg
shrewd canyon
It's platonical, John
bleak osprey
no it's gay
runic terrace
Its gay
mossy vale
But... demeter seems lime somthing that should be implemented because plot
shrewd canyon
Yeah, but more likely as a plot character like Hades
And not like a boon giver
Since we are dealing with her daughter I guess, I am not entirely sure how they are related
mossy vale
Yeah.... it would be cool fir more God’s with more .... specialized boons
More like the hammer
rigid bluff
alright is it just my imagination
or does zagreus flirt with hypnos when you give him ambrosia
mossy vale
Ummmm idk because I dislike hypnos and even less now that he might get in the way of meg
rigid bluff
aw really? i like him
shrewd canyon
I mean hypnos is a bro
frozen jolt
hmmm
rigid bluff
hes a dumbass
shrewd canyon
Since he helps you to steal your birth certificate
frozen jolt
I’m gonna have to test that out after I max out Achilles
rigid bluff
he does what now
sour bane
Not that I care but where does it say that Zag is Bi? all that image showed was that both guys and girls would like Zag.
mossy vale
Hypnos makes my fist twitchy
rigid bluff
i mean it IS greek mythology
frozen jolt
it doesn’t say but like, yknow, it implies he could be
rigid bluff
that should be enough proof
sour bane
Not really but it's a possibility I guess.
frozen jolt
I mean wouldn’t aphrodite know? lol
shrewd canyon
As far as we know the only canonical relationship Zag had is with Meg
sour bane
She didn't even know he existed until Nyx told them
shrewd canyon
Which leads us to the fact that he is into monstergirls
mossy vale
eveb that is less assure more implied
sour bane
Maid - Dusa best gril
mossy vale
because... well they did both think they were children of nyx and the greek gods arn't THAT incesteus
honest coral
- it's "get to know you" not HAVE THE SEX
- it's Aphrodite saying it, not zag
ebon cradle
it would still be nice if he was bi
honest coral
🤷 doesn't really matter
ebon cradle
also achilles in greek myths had a great "friendship" with patroclus
mossy vale
very big rainbow quotation marks around "freindship"
honest coral
shrewd canyon
As much as we trust Homer
ebon cradle
homer was a pal he wouldnt lie to us
shrewd canyon
Yeah
ebon cradle
ok real deal, i dont remember much about greek stuff gotta revise since my biology study been killing it
but its not rare for
sour bane
Homer almost choked his son to death so many times though
ebon cradle
real people to be immortalized in dumb myths by people who worshipped
them
like gilgamesh
again i dont know if that was a thing in like
greek culture?
lime heart
Tips on Meg? Got to her like 6 times and can't get more than 2/3s of her HP.
onyx spoke
use the shield for meg
shrewd canyon
Bait charge@dodge@free 4-5 hits
Dodgehit on pools
Don't stay close to not get leashed
mossy vale
Aphrodite buffs are good, ares cast buffs are best
Zuea and posidon buffs are actively worthless vs her save possibly posidon cast
fair light
Question was asked in #h1-discussion about how many wall scrolls are currently in the game. There are four of the Bedroom Decor objects you can buy at the moment, two of which are wall scrolls.
mossy vale
Also lightning dash
sour bane
I find different buffs depend on the weapons
mossy vale
One of my meg kills was just zues dash buff with like,,,, 3 poms on it and spamming dash around her
And rhe daudless hammer is weapon specific
rigid bluff
honestly i hate the poseidon dash
it just makes it useless for actually dodging stuff
mossy vale
I hate all the surges
mossy vale
Artimis, zues and Aphrodite have the actual good dash buffs
lunar kiln
https://i.imgur.com/yTkvePo.jpg we live underground, dad
rigid bluff
oh that reminds
sour bane
Sorry I meant that buffs depends on the weapons like poseidon weapon buff with bow is actually great but on sword feels bad
mossy vale
I mean... sword as a whole is pretty bad
rigid bluff
does BowQ+double arrows+lightning on Q actually work on every arrow?
sour bane
True but if you want the dark boost you have to use it sometimes
mossy vale
And posidon is great till you hit meg at which point it becomes actively worthless
sour bane
on bow?
mossy vale
On anything
sour bane
I wrecked her weith poseidon bow easily
mossy vale
Most of posidon’s damage is from wall slams, his buffs give like.... 1/2 of what Aphrodite or 3/4 of what athena would give
At best
lunar kiln
poseidon is utterly useless against bosses themselves
sour bane
Still gives attack bonus though and it's good the rest of the time for wall slamming and pushing into lava
lunar kiln
yeah
mossy vale
And artimis buffs are pretty all or nothing, you need the bonus crit damage for them to work and thats not common
honest coral
Yeah I was having a crazy run with knockback bow special and +100% arrows to the special
And then I couldn't do much at all to meg
mossy vale
In my admittedly small sample size
rigid bluff
i keep trying to make +100% arrows work
but having to stand in 1 place for 2 seconds to fire them off just
is not good
mossy vale
My best run has been with hammer making the spear special gaurenteed crits, bonis crot damage from arimis and 200ish% bonus special damage on spear special from Aphrodite
Also Aphrodite dash buff
Crit not crot..... autocorrect sometimes I swear
shrewd canyon
Why don't arrows pierce though
It would make bow so much more viable vs trash mobs
sour bane
You need the upgrade
shrewd canyon
Without making bosses much harder
Yeah, like, I mean, by default
Because otherwise you have no decent clear
sour bane
Yeah that would be nice
Those skull piles and pink crystals are my worst enemies with bow
rigid bluff
yeah doing a room full of skelliespawners is hell with the normal bow
sour bane
I've taken to using aphrodites casts as a shotgun with bow when I can
solar depot
i'm late to the party but i'm just here to throw my support behind bi zagreus
let! me! date! hypnos!
rigid bluff
FINALLY someone who understands
sour bane
Dude, that's your uncle..
shrewd canyon
But he is that cool one, with white monster and stuff
rigid bluff
wait is he
sour bane
That's what Nyx said, I think mayybe in the begining Zag says it too
bleak osprey
nyx's son
solar depot
hmm, yeah, on the one hand........ greek mythology. on other, all right then, let! me! date! achilles!
lunar kiln
let him date some hot guys on the surface
shrewd canyon
Oh wait no, he is brother to Tanathos
sour bane
I'm not bi but I'm okay with this
sour bane
Maid Dusa still best
shrewd canyon
^
frozen jolt
achilles just rejected me and i understand but am also hurt
solar depot
alma no!!!!
lunar kiln
LET ME DATE SKELLY
lunar kiln
yknow since skelly keeps calling you boyo
frozen jolt
:no:
rigid bluff
delet that
shrewd canyon
Several people are typing
sour bane
Let me date Hades, Checkmate
rigid bluff
let me date one of the fat demons
solar depot
uhhhh i mean i'm not saying it because i'm trolling though, i really wanna date hypnos and/or achilles
rigid bluff
ye those two are my top two aswell
sour bane
Anyone know if there's a way into the wine cellar? the narrator made it sound like there is
lunar kiln
i mean given the circumstances i wouldnt date hypnos bc he pretended to be zag's brother up until that night time scene so... ech it feels weird
shrewd canyon
By the way, speaking of wine cellar, Zag mentions that he knows no way of opening wooden barrels of wine in the lounge
Maybe he meant those
sour bane
That would be cool way to add new buffs before going out drinking different wines or something
shrewd canyon
Sounds like basic way of SG to make game harder with new rewards
Like the gods in Bastion, limiters in Transistor and Titan stars in Pyre
sour bane
They'd have to but be positive with some kind of drawback so it's not too op though
oh or that too
solar depot
(i am already developing a soft spot for meg/hypnos though, i must admit)
lunar kiln
meg is a bitter lesbian and eats lunch with dusa
rigid bluff
when you say it like that it seems that SGG does have a trackrecord with limiters
shrewd canyon
Since you don't get increased rewards from delving deeper (actually higher) into the dungeon, you might as well pop all limiters and die more often to farm
lunar kiln
(they actually interact in game)
mossy vale
particularly when you're trying to gift ambrosia to meg she's always talking to dusa
lunar kiln
zag x sisyphus where they escape hell together when you reach max relationship with him
solar depot
oh no that's cute
onyx spoke
dusa best girl
sour bane
Zag breaks everyone out, you start the apocolypse que new SuperGiant games dealing with the aftermath
solar depot
dusa good end where her infatuation catches the attention and favor of aphrodite 
shrewd canyon
Zag is best boi tho
rigid bluff
how can you not like someone who keeps showing of his nips
lunar kiln
listen having a male-presenting nipple out at all times is good but you need the personality to go with it
on my first couple runs when i heard his voice and all that he just sounded super dead inside
wasnt super appealing
but then as you interact with the npcs more and all that
ebon cradle
everyone is hot in the underworld
lunar kiln
skelly first and foremost
mossy vale
when stuck in the realm of the dead it's not uncommon to be a little dead inside
shrewd canyon
Is skellys gender specified
lunar kiln
so far no
he just sounds like a dude
look at his bones!!! https://i.imgur.com/5uHEYpV.png
mossy vale
achillies refers to skelly inm the codex as a dude
shrewd canyon
He has a beard
lunar kiln
you bet skelly would make some heads turn as a human
shrewd canyon
I was intending checking the pelvis inlet
But he has none
Therefore he is not human
The post-death one anyway
lunar kiln
well whatever he was he mustve been hot
solar depot
SO MANY!!!
shrewd canyon
46.50 bucks as in 2015
Which leads us to the average worth of obol at around 7,75
Which means that shwarma you buy for 50 obols is actually worth 387,5 bucks
lunar kiln
hades economy lore
shrewd canyon
Which leads us to the point that food contraband is well worth in underworld
solar depot
illegal shawarma
shrewd canyon
And in case anyone dies make sure to write in your will to bury you with a lot of fastfood pocketed
solar depot
"bury me with a cheeky nandos"
lunar kiln
theory: the narrator lives in the chaos
yknow this area https://i.imgur.com/eNqZYyV.jpg
rigid bluff
relating to that
i really hope they do more with the chaos
right now its a bit boring for such a cool concept
simple bolt
yeah i think the same thing, my current theory is that he is kronos
lunar kiln
"i will befriend everyone to the best of my ability and THEN i will leave"
shrewd canyon
When the only likeable person leaves the dungeon
Really grinds your gears, huh
Sounds like an uprising to me
cloud cargo
just underworld things
languid cairn
chaos....is a very pretty map
lunar kiln
kinda soulcrushing to encounter meg in tartarus going from "im gonna make you go home the painful way" to "ugh... we all know where this is going" when you beat her a couple times
languid cairn
i cant wait to get to that point >:3
i mean it sounds sad
but i want to be able to consistently beat her
lunar kiln
i wanna try getting all hearts with any god
misty light
just got killed by the hydra for the first time
tulip ruin
I just killed Hydra, that's the end of the game :<
onyx spoke
How are you all max hearting people, for me it says it takes almost 100 conversations to learn more
lunar kiln
ambrosia bottles
the conversations unlock more lore about them
ambrosia bottles are the hearts
onyx spoke
ohhhhhhhh
lunar kiln
you can only give one at a time though
onyx spoke
lol artemis sounds so betrayed when you don't pick her for a trial of the gods
lunar kiln
wait til you hear aphrodite
frozen jolt
i had a trial of the gods between zeus and poseidon, ooof
frozen jolt
poseidon killed me and i didnt even get good stuff from zeus at all
the first one gives you a keepsake (unless its hades) and after that theyre more conversation
cloud cargo
yeah the god battles are pretty tough
frozen jolt
when you max someone out you sit in the lounge together and talk
cloud cargo
wouldnt mind lounging with aphrodite a bit
languid cairn
they only have two hears unlocked rn right?
ornate siren
I always take the trials, two boons is too much to pass up
lunar kiln
do you think only one of hades' hearts can be unlocked because the rest progresses the story or because he just can't love us more
ornate siren
Both
mossy vale
didn't cerberus start with like.... 5 hearts?
i'm pretty sure hades is just... borderline hostile at this point
glad warren
well, isn't cerberus the only one who starts with hearts though?
lunar kiln
he kinda just lets you try but sometimes he gets pissed and tries to stop you himself through those survival rooms
he talks about how he actually has tried to leave the underworld but failed so he expects his son to fail as well
though he does acknowledge your progress
glad warren
wait, if Hades tried to leave the Underworld, who were the bosses?
mossy vale
mostly by taling about meg "failing"
glad warren
since the hydra was Hades'
bleak osprey
he probably just wanted out of the miserable pit that is tartarus
mossy vale
possibly the olympions
ornate siren
His own sense of duty
mossy vale
i feel like i should look up whats going on with the titaness reah .. reya? ... greek spelling i swear... chronos's wife and the one who saved zues from being eaten.... i'm not sure she's in tarterus
scenic comet
Rhea. And no, she probably isn't.
sonic lichen
Alright, I just heard from someone that Sandra from Pyre (or her orb at least) is somewhere in Zag's room
Anyone else find her yet?
mystic tusk
no but now I'm going to damn well look!
sonic lichen
Post screenshots plz
mystic tusk
speaking of the bedroom, the scrying pool tells you the number of enemies you've killed
frozen jolt
mystic tusk
what do the other bedroom items do?
sonic lichen
Nice
shrewd canyon
YES YES YES
amber canyon
Only the scrying pool does anything
mossy leaf
Noticed the Beyonders Crystal the moment I entered Zag's room
lunar kiln
poor sandra
leaving the downside only to go to hell
which in itself is kinda like the downside
because it's... down
shrewd canyon
Welp, look from the good side
Remember she was telling that she was alright to be with reader until his death?
Welp, she probably managed to follow him beyond the veil
Happy end everyone, horray
runic terrace
shade: "I cant find my wife....where is she"
CAUSE OF DEATH: old age
lunar kiln
i found a "throwing experiment" one
runic terrace
"I had a one in 3 chance! cause: poison mushroom"
OKAY NEW GAME whats ur shadesona like
shrewd canyon
Liked the guy who was shot by an arrow telling "I dodged the first five, it probably counts for something!"
runic terrace
and howd they die
shrewd canyon
Alone
lunar kiln
i died from a cold
runic terrace
"And THEN i was like, wouldnt it be funny to take a do it to em picture by the lava?"
cause of death: fell in volcano
shrewd canyon
Can we hit Hector
languid cairn
god yes please
lunar kiln
lmao he knows https://i.imgur.com/EQTVD4W.jpg
to which zag answers "pleasure doing business then"
mystic tusk
I haven't been able to give ambrosia to meg yet, it only gives me the option to talk despite having one
do you have to beat her a certain number of times?
north remnant
Nah, but she can't be talking to someone else
And I think she only appears if you beat her last run
mystic tusk
yeah, that's what I figured, thanks
hexed scarab
do you thnk zag will sing for or with orph?
amber canyon
I dont think hes got a singing voice
mystic tusk
sure as hell is
opaque hound
Did he really sing in bastion and transistor?
atomic forge
He sang in everything
hexed scarab
thought so
not like they had a full cast in those games for voices and even in this game some people are doing multiple roles
opaque hound
I thought it was just Ashley Barrett
mystic tusk
he did the zulf part of the song where they mix the two in bastion
atomic forge
Darren is Zulf in both his songs
hexed scarab
Ashley was red
opaque hound
Oh dam you right
atomic forge
And also sings on paper boats
hexed scarab
Was that darren or logan for boats? cause wasn't the dude transistor and transistor was logan
atomic forge
It was Darren
hexed scarab
will have to listen again sounded like logan, but its been forever
atomic forge
You can generally tell when it’s Logan lol
mystic tusk
I don't think Logan sings
atomic forge
Also I think it was a duet for effect more so than being his character
hexed scarab
lol true but i didnt know logan did announcer in pyre till someone said something
atomic forge
And he does, the bonus track on the bastion ost is fantastic
mystic tusk
did you notice he does Achilles?
hexed scarab
patheon right?
atomic forge
Man he was great as the Pyre announcer
opaque hound
He also did The Voice / Lendel / Dalbert / Bertrude / Ignarius
hexed scarab
but be cool if zag sang at some point in the game
atomic forge
Again, look up the bonus track on the bastion ost
opaque hound
Absolutely
atomic forge
Logan sings on that
hexed scarab
Remember it had the three things he missed before the whole boom thing
forget about 2 lol
back to study i go
sonic lichen
And of course, Logan's ultimate masterpiece is "What's Left Undone"
Also from Bastion
runic terrace
"the pantheon" is SOOO good that i really wish logan would get more songs ;;;;
aj character song of my dreams will probably never happen but i can hope for hades character song now?? maybe????
atomic forge
he needs like a Disney villain theme lol
runic terrace
YES
errant tusk
do you get a gift from hades?
heady sail
there's no gift from hades unless there's an extra slot in the keepsake select screen that isn't visible until you unlock it
I have it fully unlocked and nothing from hades
errant tusk
ok thanks
wicked pendant
is there a wiki so i can look up info easly
visual laurel
There is a wiki but it's still in early stages
wicked pendant
bah
im looking to see what the pendant does
in terms of boosting her bonuses
i took it off and nothing changes
visual laurel
daring orbit
So, here's a question. Do you meet Aphrodite, and what does she look like?
Literally asking for a friend
visual laurel
you do meet aphrodite and she looks like a mostly naked lady with pink hair and jewelry
frozen jolt
her hair is also like, little hearts
visual laurel
omg i didn't NOTICE thats great
daring orbit
Is she one you usually meet with an icon, or is it somewhere farther?
Also ,sounds exactly like what my friend loves.
frozen jolt
what do you mean?
daring orbit
Like, do you meet her like Zeus, or does she hang around like Nyx?
frozen jolt
ah
like zeus
it took me a lot of runs to get a boon from her but its just a matter of luck
red latch
Does anybody know the story of Orpheus in this game？From the lyric it seems like Eurydice is a ship？
daring orbit
Eurydice was a nymph in Greek mythology, one of the daughters of the god Apollo. She was married to Orpheus, a legendary musician and poet. After their marriage, Eurydice was pursued by Aristaeus; in her effort to evade him, she stepped on a snake, she was bitten and died.
Also, is Skelly important, or is he just a punching bag?
visual laurel
you can give him ambrosia
red latch
I browse comments and find that orpheus can't sing at first
but already hear his lament on youtube many times
love this spoiler😂
visual laurel
well i mean, we knew he was gonna sing eventually, what's an SGG game without singing?
😛
red latch
yes, and these songs are also a reason why we crazy for the works of SGG
oak saddle
So I finally realized that Lament of Orpheus has lyrics in the official description and.... man, it's good
I should probably.... actually play the game before binging the soundtrack
From what I looked up, it also happened that Orpheus got permission to take Eurydice out of the underworld and back to life, on the condition that he didn't look at her on the way up until they were out
He ran ahead, and the moment he stepped into the world of the living, turned around to see his wife. He forgot they both had to cross over before he looked at her. She died instantly.
And that's where the lyrics come from
"Don't look back, don't look back"
tawdry island
Yellow and Blue Colored vases have gold in them after you smash them
snow brook
Yeah the neat thing about doing a game based on Greek mythology is that the stories have already told themselves
And now they can just add great characters on top of them
tawdry island
Isn't Aphrodite Zagreus' cousin?
red latch
I love the lament it is so regretful and bitterly helpless. Orpheus died poorly in the myth, a pure tragedy...
snow brook
Yall ever peep this Orpheus.csv file in the games data?
Has a bunch of lines for orpheus
snow brook
including " To think the god of wine and you are intricately linked, it isn't obvious, is it?"
Dionysus confirmed yo
or maybe its for a cutscene where they are drinking
wait no its under "to be integrated
tawdry island
What else
fallen salmon
Question.
snow brook
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0AqPHgWKc6uMgYwFjp3cOqLaXO1Ts58dl2_O-pNm2Q/edit#gid=0 tell me if this works
neat crow
It works
fallen salmon
Can we get voice lines as audio files?
snow brook
Maybe, ill peep it
does anyone know how map_text files work
are those the textures?
tawdry island
Epimetheus ?
snow brook
BTW there is also a file for RoomDataElysium
which was expected, as Elysium is another layer of Hades in Greek mythology
tawdry island
Is that the only one?
snow brook
There is also RoomDataSecrets
but I am trying to find anyhting that means stuff
it shows cues for different voice lines
oh its for chaos
I see
There are also variants for enemies it looks like
Which we of course know
But there is one for the thief that is called "TreasureImp"
and it drops between 8-10 gold
actually this might be the gold containing pots
because they have "RequiredKill = false
which I assume means you dont have to kill them to trigger the end of a room
Interestingly they also have files that were used for testing that are .csv (which I assume are like scripts) that have the bastion voice lines
OH
they are literal scripts
along with who voices the character
I will try to compile a list of different characters that show up scripted
visual laurel
lol i've been purposefully not looking at it
tawdry island
Nice
visual laurel
I'd like to enjoy the game as it unwraps itself
snow brook
Thats why I am posting in the spoiler channel 😃
visual laurel
but yeah the script files are all plaintext
yeah but i have to read here because I'm a mod lol
neat crow
The joy of being a moderator 😆
visual laurel
the joys and the burdens
neat crow
I know your pain, I'm a mod on the Penny Arcade Discord (though it's much slower than this one)
snow brook
So if I post a google doc link, that you dont have to click on
visual laurel
You just need a plain text editor and/or excel
tawdry island
Direct me
snow brook
Would that keep you from being spoiled?
red latch
cool！
visual laurel
Yeah I think that would be best tbh
There are probably a lot of people in here who want/expect spoilers for current content
neat crow
If you really want to reduce the spoilage, wrap the link with < > and it will turn off the link preview 👍
visual laurel
but don't want to be spoiled for future stuff
snow brook
If you just open c>programfiles>epic games>hades you can search for .csv files to see the script
@neat crow thanks for the tip
Also, have you seen your number?
like your discord pin?
I mean i know you have
neat crow
@snow brook Yes... Yes I have. I made it that number with Nitro 
snow brook
what I mean is, are you able to change it or are you truly lucky
AH
oh my goodness some of these lines D:
not in the sense of what is said, but in "wow this is the amount of depth I expect in a supergiant game"
neat crow
Yeah, I'm avoiding reading the lines myself 'cause I want to experience them in context. The writing is exceptional, though!
he says as he chats in #h1-story-discussion
snow brook
too many lines of hades grunting at you 😠
sterile plover
"Go on, get out, don't let me stop you."
neat crow
The real grunt work of voice actors 😏
tawdry island
Looks like Meg is Zag's ex-girlfriend lol
sterile plover
Yeah ^__^
red latch
？！
tawdry island
So I was right... Love story with the only woman he's not related to....
Unless... lol
red latch
details from those document？
tawdry island
@snow brook So if you edit those files, do you also edit the subtitles in game?
snow brook
I don't know I am scared to find out
that is the current google doc I am working on
@red latch link above
red latch
wow, awesome!
visual laurel
@tawdry island Yes.
SGG games are very moddable, at least text-wise
Assets.....we don't quite have figured out.
snow brook
I am just trying to find out how I can influence the generation of the dungeon
When I am trying to speedrun I hate resetting and having to go wait to die to enemies before I can get a fresh map
red latch
It’s really attractive but I will try my best not to see all lines before I get the game.
tawdry island
How can you speedrun when the dungeon is randomized?
snow brook
With great luck
Probably my best chance is before they add more gods
The goal is to get Aphrodite and Artemis
I can take aphrodites Gift to guarantee her, and then hope for artemis to get lucky
tawdry island
Which boons?
snow brook
and hope I dont get random boons in between
Aphrodite dmg. Epic one is 109% bonus wiht the trinket. then extra dmg to weak foes, which is 80% or more
tawdry island
Why not random boons? Don't they all stack?
snow brook
artemis dash crit, bonus crit dmg, and crits against armor
nah you can only get one for each slot
in dash, attack, special, and cast
so crit dash, bonus attack damage
and then the bonus against weak enemies and crit modifier dont take other slots
and you dont want random other boons, because it means you arent getting one of those
as well as diluting your pool for poms
each pom is 25% extra damage
so if you miss that and have to do it on your crit dash, or some random boons from athena/ares etc, its a huge miss
tawdry island
What about darkness buffs? Which ones to prioritize?
snow brook
All of them LOL
I have everything maxed except the bonus rare boon chance
I should make a doc for all this info
lemme grab a screen shot real quick
jk I cant open my game anymore
I ruined it with all this looking for text 
stuck viper
maybe it's a stupid question but... is it possible to "finish" the game or which one is the last boss so far? What happens when you beat it
I suck at the game, but I'm curious to know if there is already light at the end of the tunnel
winged hazel
Is bow the speedrun weapon of choice?