#h1-story-discussion

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atomic forge
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I completely forgot my name here is zonkgreus

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and I changed my discord photo to a crow I poorly drew

hard rose
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That line made hades my character of the year instantly

grizzled spoke
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probably a men who adopted a child named him zagreus and named his self hidas and lied to everyone that he is god after that zagreus trying to kill his own father for no reason

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this sounds like a horrible game theory video

night abyss
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So a normal game theory video then?

edgy herald
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I got a question...Lord of Death hades is prohiting netcar in underworld...why broker is selling it ?

hard rose
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to get rich

fathom knot
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Broker = bestest business man

royal thunder
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i was not expecting a dusa romance

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i love that they just made zagreus pansexual as hell

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he's so pure XD

edgy herald
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do anyone know...why zagreus keep escaping even the persephone was back to underworld ?

royal thunder
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It's his job. It's like how tech security companies will try to hack their systems to figure out where the holes are.

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Plus the Olympians think he still needs to escape so he has to make it look real

edgy herald
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I am so sad he is keep killing his Dad and Dad only got single dialog..

royal thunder
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What do you mean

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This is like the only time they hang out and bond lol

hard rose
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you'll get more mid battle lines after credits

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and some special convos about the post-game story

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and 2 more for bringing his and Persephone's keepsake to the surface

edgy herald
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I got a question...who is the skelly ? whats his background ?

zenith wedge
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Skelly is Skelly boyo
We only know who hired him, but dont think we know who he was

royal thunder
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orpheus and eurydice are just messing with zagreus right? like he thinks they're naive enough to believe his tales still but they're just playing dumb?

onyx blaze
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who knows

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tbh part of his tales are right I would say

worldly wigeon
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Damn thats cool

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Just reached the "real" ending or something

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I have no excuses. And I ask no forgiveness.

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hades is cool

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both the game and the character

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lmao zagreus is so short in that painting

flint escarp
onyx blaze
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I am currently working on that and didnt see any spoilers yet

worldly wigeon
flint escarp
worldly wigeon
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Will do!

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Did a run with beowulf earlier today, will do 2-3 runs tomorrow

topaz merlin
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Hi
There's 1 point from the story wasn't clear for me
Why hades was afraid of Zeus wrath if zeus was the one who sent the queen to hades realm ?

zenith wedge
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Cuz no one knew zeus did that in first place, so if they've found out all blame for persephone being gone falls to hades

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Also i think Dem anger is gonna be worst than Zeus

onyx blaze
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I sometimes wondering is Zag trying to make everyone in the underworld hooked with ambrosia and nectar (the underworld drugdealer)

topaz merlin
topaz merlin
onyx blaze
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I mean seriously reading the dialogues after gifting ambrosia

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they are high as f

solemn gyro
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||are there any more uses for ambrosia when you forged your bond with everyone except for trading and summon upgrades?||

onyx blaze
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bouldy

autumn lance
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bouldy is nectar

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ambrosia is just used for the final few hearts for forging bonds after it's unlocked and upgrading the companion

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and ofc trading so yeah there's no more uses afterwards

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@solemn gyro

onyx blaze
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||so is it true that bouldy consumes infinite nectar?||

autumn lance
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yes

elfin sand
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So whats your best Victory.times?

royal thunder
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"You fill Orpheus' mind with nonsense, he produces nonsense. Nonsense I presume shall spread from this place far and wide, so everyone might know that I have nothing to do with you."

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SAVAGE

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lol

zenith wedge
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Hymn to zagreus creation is one my fav bits of the game

hard rose
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I wanna meet Amphitrite

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Like there's so many Zeus side characters but none from Poseidon

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Poseidon really looked at his bros and said "ok I'm gonna marry someone who's not my super immediate family"

scenic cloud
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how do i get ||heart of stone||??

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do i need to just keep ||giving bouldy nectar?||

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because I've ||given him so much nectar and it does nothing ||

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you should be getting it already?

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its given automatically

fathom knot
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||bouldy boons happen when you give him nectar (also, are bouldy boons even spoilers?||

graceful sapphire
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So if Zag's feet are always on fire, why does lava hurt him?

zenith wedge
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fire resistant, not fire proof

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fathom knot
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Giving bouldy nectar gives you bouldy boon

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Pretty sure that isnā€™t a spoiler

deep granite
graceful sapphire
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Well if thereā€™s one thing I learned from reading one pieceā€¦ magma is indeed stronger than fire :^)

hard rose
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This is 100 % my fan theory

halcyon night
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Hades has a huge amount of text that I can imagine was quite difficult to organize during the writing process, so that the proper text could be inserted when it came time to put a final draft into the game. I myself am writing a story that is sort of like this, where there are "chapters" with set dialogue, but also some smaller conversations that I want to take place in an overworld based on certain activated conditions. In terms of organizing this massive amount of text during the writing process, is there a best method of doing this? I started with the tool Manuskript, but have since moved to using pure .txt files within several folders in order to make it easier to preserve and to be able to write while on my phone.

royal thunder
royal thunder
solemn gyro
tame quail
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how to get the legendary weapons?

zenith wedge
royal thunder
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like i just happened upon all of them by just doing runs and giving people nectar

halcyon night
lethal bolt
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should i max the hearts of one person at a time or do them in parallel? aka if i max all of thanatos' hearts first will it get blocked cuz of other story lines not having enough hearts to progress?

autumn lance
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it shouldn't get blocked i dont think, it's probably better to do them at the same time tho just so it's faster

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if you're low on resources, it might be better to focus one tho

hard rose
hard rose
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she's around most of the time so just toss her a nectar every time you pass by

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when you first enter asphodel the blurb mentions that the heat would burn even zagreus

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and he literally says "I'm only flame-resistant, not flame-proof"

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devs really thought of everything

lethal bolt
autumn lance
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i wouldn't think so, you'd be multi tasking so you get things through at the same time

worldly wigeon
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hey, how do I give more nectar to poseidon? I've reached a point where I can't give him more, and the heart has a lock on it.

onyx blaze
worldly wigeon
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If you're thinking about catching 25 fish, I did that a long time ago.

onyx blaze
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same but I also got stucked there

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||I think u have to catch 18 fish after u reach the maximum nectar lock||

zenith wedge
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Need to have a fish on hand before talking to him

next root
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Is it me or does it seem that Hades holds back?

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one of the fish needs to be legendary too

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but i think you have to get a certain dialogue to unlock a prophecy first

night abyss
night abyss
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oh the prophecy is separate from the favor

open berry
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yeah those are separate, the favour is just catching a minimum number of fish, which was like.. 18 or so last i recall, and then of course having a fish on hand when you speak to him

next root
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Yeah Hades may be grumpy

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But deep down I feel like that he is caring about his son.

copper bay
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Hades notes quite correctly that vindictiveness runs in the family, though I wonder if you can truly call him as such - he's not as narcissistic as his brothers, at least in this iteration of the myths.

manic wave
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Well, vindictiveness and narcissism aren't one and the same. You can have absolutely 0 self esteem and still be an unforgiving asshat

dire notch
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what's interesting to me is when you can see some of Hades' traits in Zagreus

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which come out most obviously during the Zagreus-Hades arguments

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they're both extremely stubborn šŸ„°

hard rose
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And arguably they feed into each other - low self esteem can mean that you view any positive event in others as an affront to yourself, which causes vindictiveness

next root
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Zeus especially he is always portrayed as good

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While Hades is evil

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In Myth its like that Hades is a decent and nice guy he loves his work he has his pet and loves all above his wife.

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Zeus was not loyal and a narcissistic douche too

worldly wigeon
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hushed minnow
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could someone explain why chaos isnt talking about aspects

sinful hollow
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i did not expect the threesome scene

hushed minnow
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i have spent 5 titan blood on aspect of zeus

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but chaos decides talking about something entirely different

autumn lance
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prob going through story dialogue

pearl hare
sinful hollow
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literally just realized in the blood and the song that plays in greece have the same leitmotif

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zamn

lethal bolt
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what's the policy on spoilers in this channel?

nocturne plinth
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all spoilers welcome, says so in the channel description

open berry
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correct! though you may spoiler tag if you desire, courtesy gestures are never unwelcome

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which it also says in the channel description zagyay

pearl tundra
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So do you think every time you escape you're whole being gets dragged like physically? Or do you leave a body every time... I wonder if she uses it as fertilizer.

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the animation literally shows zag sinking into the styx

neon ibex
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hermes just said after i got mom down that he basically knows but isnt spreading the word i find that awesome

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love how hes a seperate party from the gods

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worldly wigeon
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Wait what

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Does zagreus have a crush on meg, or had a previous relationship with her?

onyx blaze
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seems so

worldly wigeon
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His love life seems miserable

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why??? he seems perfectly happy with than and meg

worldly wigeon
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WHAT

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oops

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this IS a spoiler channel though

autumn lance
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lmfao

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copper bay
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Seeing Zagreus actually drop any measure of warmth and goodwill towards his father in that moment was actually quite emotional the first time I played the game.

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i just realized that hades phases are actually death defiances

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theyre just like each other fr

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not to mention all the moveset similarities

empty turtle
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He talks about them after a while and investing Titan blood in aegis

hushed minnow
empty turtle
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LOL

hushed minnow
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man i hate chaos

empty turtle
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Sorry, can't help it

atomic forge
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Woah

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I finished the main story earlier

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I got chills

rough oak
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It's in the blood

runic sparrow
unreal kite
# rough oak It's in the blood

It's in the blood really ties the ending of the game together beautifuly, I remember just sitting there feeling so accomplished lol

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Spent 5 diamonds, the other tracks can wait

upper oak
scenic cloud
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does anybody know why zagreus keeps saying "I should check the garden" even when there's literally nothing going on in the garden a single time?

jaunty horizon
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i see Persephone there, sometimes she's talking to hades

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maybe just a glitched voice trigger?

autumn lance
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if you enter a room, leave, then check the garden nothing's there

jovial pumice
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Hey guys, if Zag was an npc, what keepsake do you imagine he'd give? And what would it do?

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why on earth does achilles have the keys to hades' room

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scenic cloud
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rich people leave their housekeepers with their keys all the time

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wait i thought he was just zag's teacher

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brutal

zenith wedge
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more sad than brutal

river dagger
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Just beat the main story it was amazing

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Also yea that Hypnos line hits hard

white saddle
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Isn't Hypnos the son of nyx, yk the woman who basically barely moves from the other side of the room.

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Makes it even worse

atomic forge
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she just doesnā€™t acknowledge him

white saddle
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Yeah

scenic cloud
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is there any special dialogue when you completely finish the codex? I just got my last voidskate and I was surprised when I didn't get any special dialogue from achilles

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I've filled the entire thing out

manic wave
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Oh my God

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The cerberus painting is of baby than and zag

frozen jolt
scenic cloud
frozen jolt
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I guess, go through all tabs and see

scenic cloud
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I have been through all of them

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If I'm missing anything, it's a whole tab

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because every entry I've unlocked is filled out

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last thing I got was the second Voidskate

frozen jolt
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maybe achilles has more stuff to say and itā€™s queued

scenic cloud
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no i've long since burned through his dialogue

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so just to check

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the sections are

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I have filled all of those out

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oh i figured it out i think

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i hadn't read one of the entries after I'd finished it

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i need to use one more anvil too

copper bay
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So what are Bloodstones exactly?

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theyre literally made from zag's blood

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isnt this in the codex

copper bay
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Firstly

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'...The world itself is alive, in a way, is it not? Even the realm of the dead. All of us here, the world with it, we flow through time as blood flows through mortal veins. Look carefully and you shall find that there is power, feeling in the earth itself. And, like any power, it seeks to be claimed. To be held. With all this in mind, as well as due to appearance I suppose, do bloodstones take their name. The Master himself keeps several of them, perhaps for therapeutic reasons. He has even taught the prince the way to make their crimson facets ignite in an angry glow.'

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This tells me barely anything. The first portion sort of hints that they're something metaphysically alive and important, an outward expression of one's soul perhaps, raw potential maybe.

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hades has voicelines where he says "stop throwing your blood at me, boy"

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so i think it is literally his blood

fallow coyote
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using Hades keepsake against him is total troll CrowLUL

azure oar
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bloodstones are literally ichor manifested as physical

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the black stuff that gets spilled when you kill an enemy? that's ichor. that's what the bloodstones are made of. i think

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solidified and congealed

copper bay
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I would have thought Ichor is only the blood of the Divine. So maybe it makes sense that shades spill blackish blood or maybe even dust.

It's also interesting how some shades seem to have the solidity of ghosts while the shades we fight seem to be very corporeal, to say nothing of the boneless or the heroes in Olympus.

formal gate
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It is a cool detail that the art for the shades we interact with (Orpheus, Achilles for example) are a bit transparent - you can see the background through them sometimes. The art for the gods is solid šŸ™‚

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this is such a stupid but hilarious pun lmao

azure oar
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hestia go bang bang bang bang

upper oak
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amber meadow
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Hi! I've maxed out all of the hearts for Dusa, and already went through the ||firing and re-hiring|| with her and ||Nyx||. I know you need to talk to her a bit afterwards before getting the bond forged, but I've already had a lot of conversations with her and still nothing. Does anything else need to be done or am I just having bad luck getting the right convo?

zenith wedge
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Bad luck

amber meadow
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figures šŸ˜¦

zenith wedge
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Oh wait just to be safe, you have all hearts on dusa right?

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The event with nyx doesnt matter for it

amber meadow
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yeah, I did the whole 1 -> 2 -> 3 ambrosia thing

zenith wedge
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Alright hope your luck gets better

amber meadow
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will do, thanks for the info!

left forum
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The ending was pretty anticlimactic for me, I thought I would get to kill my mother so she would respawn with me in the underworld, but I guess that wouldnā€™t have been so nice superdying

onyx blaze
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this is the most cursed thought in this game I have seen so far

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onyx blaze
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šŸ‘

fathom knot
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definitely

young veldt
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guys why cant i unlock pos heart

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||i did fish in one run then i tried to take his boons more but i didnt get his dialogue||

robust glen
zenith wedge
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good riddance or in the blood?

robust glen
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in the blood

zenith wedge
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niceeee

old idol
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Good riddance

grand vault
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It's criminal that neither was in the Songs of Supergiant games collection

azure oar
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i like good riddance a lot better

onyx blaze
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Fake parents: Hades and Persephone
Real parents: Achilles and Nyx
Change my mind
jk

empty turtle
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Real parents: Hades and Persephone.
Adoptive and better parents: Achilles and Nyx

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well its kinda unfair to call persephone a bad parent seeing as she literally didnt know that zag existed

empty turtle
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Wouldn't say bad

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Just that nyx is the one I prefer

copper bay
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Gothmom & Gaydad to the rescue~

onyx blaze
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SUII

worldly wigeon
sand raft
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guys is it possilbe to get a full like relationship with dusa

open berry
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dusa's route is platonic

earnest terrace
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iirc if you try to pursue romance with her, she just says she's not interested

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on a different note, i do wonder what would've happen if they'd decided to include briseis in the achilles/patroclus storyline

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given her significant role in the iliad

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though i see that's already been discussed to some extent in this server

dark tendon
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I love that moment when endgame spoiler ahead: ||you're all geared up ready to fight Hades and he finally doesn't burn his cape for once||

earnest terrace
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||When he just allows you to go to persephone, you mean?||

white saddle
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Omg that end credits scene was rly rly good

zenith wedge
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Its in the bloooood

half arch
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i like the bass in that song i can feel it in my bones

white saddle
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Yeah the music is rly good n all but the visuals

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Chef's kiss fr

dark tendon
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hahaha i love how Dusa ||Turns down zagreus, and turns out shes just shy, not flustered because of romantic stuff lol||

lethal bolt
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how do you play the lyre? if you just have to keep talking to orpheus then don't actually tell me how it happens bc i don't want to be spoilered, but if you have to do some weird sequence of events then pls tell me ;_;

autumn lance
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You bought the lyre from the house contractor right

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Once you have that it should be in your room and like most things you can interact with it

lethal bolt
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yeah but all that happens rn when i play it is it sounds horrible lol

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i assumed at some point i could play it and it wouldn't just be a discordant plucking sound

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also i have a prophecy that says "one day will be able to play the lyre" or smth

nocturne plinth
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just play more

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(the lyre, that is)

lethal bolt
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dammit i already played it like 40 times lol

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guess i just have to spam interact with it........

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if you just play it once or twice every time you pass through youll get it eventually

autumn lance
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i'd recommend more than twice lmao

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it's quite a lot

onyx abyss
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I think the number required is something ridiculous like 200 (I could be way off though lol)

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I've hit it 10 times every time I come through for the last 10

autumn lance
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nah you're close

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210

onyx abyss
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So I've still got a way to go

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Sounds good though

open berry
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its 210 but theres like... checkpoint dialogue inbetween there too, which is why its usually recommended you just play it a bit between runs and not really focus on it. you'd need a minimum of at least 4? runs to finish it even if you did all interactions in one sitting anyway

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it gets even more painful as you progress too bc the riffs get longer

onyx abyss
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I've taken to actually looking around Zag's room while I wait

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Mostly at his posters

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aphrodite wallscroll šŸ˜³

autumn lance
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lmao

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i took that one down after i bought it

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šŸ˜­

lethal bolt
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also jesus 210 wtf?!

autumn lance
night abyss
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Wait you can take the posters down? How?

nocturne plinth
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go to the house contractor

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and deselect them

lethal bolt
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if you go to your contractor thing scroll to the items you already bought and there's a diamond that toggles it on/off

nocturne plinth
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works for all furniture

lethal bolt
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also recently found this out lol

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can you also eventually lift the weights...

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and play the board game in your room

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i'm assuming no on the second one since interacting with it won't get me a second player... unless someone takes pity on me after the 200th interaction :')

earnest terrace
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keep trying and find out, i guess

earnest terrace
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fun lore fact for those who might not know:

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when achilles says ares is the only god he doesn't admire, and zeus calls ares his 'oft-misunderstood son,' it's because the ancient greeks actually didn't like ares and viewed him as the representation of everything bad and barbaric about war, whereas athena represented all the noble and honorable parts

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in the iliad, zeus even tells ares "do not come whining here, you two-faced brute" after one of the mortals stands up to ares, and ares goes to olympus whining about it

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and in another story, zeus basically tells ares "i wish you weren't my son"

lethal bolt
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haha im listening to the iliad on audible rn and i rmbr the "do not come whining here" part. tbf he totally was a huge whiner tho lol. he's a god and he was whining that a mortal hurt him

earnest terrace
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yeah the iliad does not pull punches in portraying him as a butthurt loser

autumn lance
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10th win when you get an amazing build

slender cedar
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Hi folks, I'm not sure whether this should go here or in #h1-discussion, but this seems slightly more appropriate (and there isn't a #hades-academic!), so I'll ask it here:

Does anyone know of any articles or interviews in which Darren Korb discusses the inspirations behind "Hymn to Zagreus" and whether there is any deliberate connection of Orphic or Homeric Hymns in the lyrics and/or music? It seems clear to me that the lyrical style is modeled on the Orphic hymns or shorter Homeric hymns, but I don't know as much about ancient music, so I'm curious there.

Thanks in advance for any links you might have! (This is for an academic book chapter, so citable is good šŸ™‚ )

(I'm new here, so I'm also not sure whether it's impolite to tag Darren in directly.)

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this video maybe

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i think he talked about that stuff a little bit?

slender cedar
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No, he just shows how to play the Lament of Orpheus in that one. Thanks though, that was fun to watch!

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you can check out the other videos on the channel maybe

slender cedar
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The bit in the other video about using the baglama was interesting. But it also led me to the Noclip documentary which was also very cool. https://youtu.be/oQPk9J7spw0

Listening to Darren compose those tracks is definitely making me want to fire it up again! Such a great soundtrack.

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Noclip - Video Game Documentaries
How Supergiant Games Create Music & Art - Developing Hell #03

We embed with the art and music teams at Supergiant Games to examine what it's like creating the visuals and soundtrack for Hades, while the game is still in early access.

Noclip's work is 100% crowdfunded. Consider becoming a member on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/noclip

Website: https://www.noclip.video
Store: https://store.noclip.video
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lethal bolt
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i finally || bedded thanatos || my life is complete

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on the other side tho is THAT what the devs think || two guys doin it sounds like?!!? just two men chuckling nervously LOLLLLLL ||

open berry
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its. its a family friendly game.

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supergiant largely makes family friendly content that can be examined for deeper themes

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Me when sgg doesnt put anatomically accurate animations of intercourse in a game marketed towards people of all ages:

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WHO ARE THE BABIES

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This is extremely important

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looks like meg on top, than on right, and ?

zenith wedge
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zag

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oh the hair tuft

lethal bolt
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also i usually gift than before talking to him cuz he runs away after his dialogue... but when i got him to full hearts he ran away again and now i'm forever fomo of what that convo was supposed to be ;__;

open berry
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yeah i mean its rly just a polite fade to black that lets you draw your own conclusions šŸ˜­ ofc most people are gonna take it... not appropriately lmao given the context, but i think its kinda funny when people are like, oh yeah they were absolutely playing a board game or smth

manic wave
formal gate
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Not so sure about that? Zag has a past with Meg, and other convos are about Than and Meg Ā«knowing each other quite a bitĀ» and Ā«blowing some steam togetherĀ»ā€¦šŸ¤”

open berry
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lets keep the chat clean šŸ˜ƒ

odd pollen
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if gods dont grow old how come they have beards

night abyss
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They want them

copper bay
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It's an aesthetic choice, and they're influenced by the perception of mortals also-

tranquil roost
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i wonder how Nyx's 4d chess playing would work out in the mortal realm for unfair dismissals from employment. if the complaint gets approved you could always the wagie that it was for his own good cuz they were working too hard innit.. and now they're cured. It was the plan all along. You can thank me later wagie

lethal bolt
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omg.... so you know how than's keepsake gives you % dmg increase if you clear an encounter without taking dmg. i nvr thought anything about it before cuz it's just a game thing but i just realized it's like that way cuz he doesn't want you to get hurt.... šŸ„ŗ šŸ„ŗ

lethal bolt
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when achilles says fear is for the weak is that coming from the iliad or smth? why does it get repeated so often?

pure moth
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toxic masculinity clearly /j

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you're not a REAL MAN if you don't DIE A BRUTAL HORRIBLE DEATH every day like ZAGREUS! /j

copper bay
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I think it's more telling you to be willing to confront fear instead of running away from a problem. It reminds me of that one fan-comic of Zagreus's first escape attempt with the narrator describing his inner struggle and doubts at going against his father and the underworld, but finding courage in the terrifying reality of the alternative....something that every person who chooses to be eternally crippled by fear will continue to live with.

slender cedar
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Do you know the exact line in Hades, @lethal bolt?

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Most of the Achilles lines I remember from Hades aren't taken from the Iliad, but reflect how Achilles has reconsidered his perspective from the Iliad.

lethal bolt
lethal bolt
slender cedar
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I don't recall him saying that in the Iliad. Achilles does cause a lot of people to fear in the Iliad, and he is the strongest warrior, so I can see how they'd get to that as a training mantra he instills in Zagreus, but I don't remember (and can't find) anywhere where Achilles talks about fear at all.

I suspect its a writer's interpretation of his warrior ethos by way of the recent commonplace "sleep is for the weak" (which I also can't find a source for).

simple lily
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I've been hacked

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idk what to do

frozen jolt
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change your password and turn on 2fa

green delta
# copper bay To say nothing of the regrets that you will have to live with. https://i.redd.it...

Link to comic for those interested squirtyay https://twitter.com/lianabnana/status/1437791025947361288

lianabnanašŸŒ (@lianabnana)

[šŸ”“FIRST FLIGHTšŸŸ¢]
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The Narrator wryly dismantles a worn-out, mid-run Zagreusā€™ self-flagellating feelings, to Zagreusā€™ annoyance.

My first of hopefully many more fancomics šŸ’™
#hadesgame #hadesfanart

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wow i never really thought of the rooms being that huge compared to zagreus but it makes sense

half arch
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that comic is soooo great

green delta
copper bay
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That or Zag is 2 foot tall shadesmile

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formal gate
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@formal gate it's supposedly called Lifeblood. Sold out it seems-

green delta
# minor badge literally a harp lmao

Oh... when I google "lyre" it's normally something held in someone's lap so I thought they're all supposed to be small? maybe some are big... šŸ˜³

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Also "First Flight" isn't in Lifeblood, but that same artist made another comic for that compilation!

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(sorry for being a nerd i just love art zaglol)

copper bay
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@green delta do you happen to own a copy of Lifeblood yourself?

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I do!! squirtnya

copper bay
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That's cool! What do you think of the comics contained inside? I'm curious how they might have fleshed out the narrative.

green delta
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The comics are great though!
There are some that are like little fun side stories that take place in the canon setting, and many of them do explore things that weren't explored in the game. For example, one about the story of how Achilles ended up as a servant of the House

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exploring different characters' dynamics/histories

copper bay
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Thanks for the tip lass. Guess now I'll always wonder about what I'd have seen inside.

formal gate
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I wish we could still at least get the digital version šŸ˜¦ Missed many zines by not knowing they existed beforešŸ˜…

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daring nexus
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i dont get why zagreus still escaping the underworld after the epilogue, can someone explain?

open gyro
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it's because ||he's a legitimate employee of his dad's again||, he attempts to escape periodically ||to test their security measures||

daring nexus
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oooh, that makes sense, should i mark my message as spoiler?

open gyro
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nah, i think you're good-- spoiler tags aren't required and i don't think your question really gives anything away, but i figured the answer might, so i threw em on

daring nexus
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oh , ok thx btw

open gyro
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no problem!

daring nexus
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:D

manic wave
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Plus he doesn't want to stay cooped up there even if he enjoys the company now

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Part of keeping the peace is keeping contact with Olympus so that's probably a bit of it too

manic wave
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What a wild pairing

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Crack ship let's go

copper bay
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I don't blame him.

earnest terrace
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It gets even better

manic wave
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Does Hades ever grant any requests from shades?

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I've watched him for several minutes now and he's denied every single one šŸ˜”

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Nevermind, finally saw it happen for the first time-

copper bay
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I can never seem to trigger those events where the shades line up to petition him.

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Only saw it once.

manic wave
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I've done... almost 200 runs? So I've seen it a few times

zenith wedge
noble root
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is it ever mentioned why there is lots of chaos symbolism throughout the rooms?

earnest terrace
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chaos is the one that created everything, and the underworld is right above their realm

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so that's not surprising

night abyss
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Chaos is my favorite supergiant employee

noble root
earnest terrace
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dunno, then

copper bay
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Well, Hades got Daedalus to design the interlocking, layer-shifting chambers in Tartarus, so there's the whole labyrinth symbolism in there.

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Never got what the massive gears in between the regions are actually supposed to do, considering these are physical spaces. Unless they're lifts?

manic wave
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They are

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Zagreus is literally taking the elevator up

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During the animation between regions, it gives a very old-elevator vibe

copper bay
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Thanks for the confirmation shadesmile

manic wave
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It's just my interpretation, but I don't see any other reason for it besides that

copper bay
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It makes sense logically at least, since the realms are separated by elevation - an express lift makes sense for the "official" route, which also explains why it's guarded by the Furies (in Tartarus at least).

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I like how Hades stuck a Hydra in Asphodel - conceivably, he could have put any number of dead monsters in there - imagine a chimera or a manticore..

keen bridge
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hey guys i just finished the game, any similar games in term of story and interaction? it doesnt even have to be a fighting game

somber gull
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Hmmm, have you played the other supergiant titles?

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Quite honestly, if youā€™re invested in the narrative aspect, Pyre is your best bet. The branching narrative system of Pyre is what Hadesā€™ dialogue system was built upon to make it the game that it became

copper bay
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You know what, who are these shades that mill about the House exactly? Since it's the ruling heart of the Underworld, it can't all be just shades with claims since they mull around in the lounge and the halls.

And speaking of the shades with claims, I wonder if they're exclusively shades from Elysium, as it'd make sense that the sort of people in Tartarus couldn't get out, while the ones in Asphodel are relegated to walk the meadows eternally. Or perhaps they can get there? I wonder what people here more read in the mythology would have to say about this.

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It also makes me wonder how they reach the House, as in the game it lies in the heart of Tartarus, at the bottom of the Underworld.

somber gull
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Amazing Charon has time to ferry all those shades down and have a side hustle selling boons to Zag.
In all seriousness tho, dunno! I wonder if thereā€™s a good Watsonian explanation for it

copper bay
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Or actually, I just realise writing this now that it's plausible for these to be shades condemned to Tartarus also, trying to get an appeal on their sentence by explaining how they might have been wronged by the Judges?

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@somber gull Wouldn't they need obols for that? Actually, it might not be a stretch that there's an economy in the Underworld - the ones in the admin chamber must earn some pittance at least.

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The reason Skelly has an obol in his mouth is that was a common Ancient Greek burial practice, to bury someone with their ferry fee for Charon. I guess we can assume these shades were well-loved in their time and given their fee by their friends and family for Charon šŸ„²

copper bay
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Yes, because the alternative would mean haunting the banks of the Acheron (or even perhaps finding a way back top to haunt any relatives until they give you a proper burial).

Still wonder who those bloody shades are. Though only because I'm doing research for a story in another fandom with the realm of Hades as part of the setting.

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One last observation I'll note: watching Hades process claims, he states specifically "Court is in session." While he could be referring to the royal court itself and that he's begun work, the wording makes it sound as if it could be a legal proceeding. This makes me all the more convinced that he might be sorting appeals.

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<@&456908176877551658>

smoky cloud
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oh was that a spam bot

atomic forge
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what was a spam bot?

somber gull
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Itā€™s deleted now!

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Spam bots kinda post in whatever channel they please

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Best way to treat them is @ the mods and then go ā€œanyways like I was saying,ā€

noble root
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anyways like i was saying

regal eagle
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Hey, aren't you supposed to completely max out your relationships with the Olympions before Persephone asks you to invite them all over, and gives you the Family Reunion quest? On my Hell Mode save, I kept forgetting to give gifts to Athena and Dionysus, and Poseidon and Demeter just straight up have that last heart locked right now, yet I have Family Reunion.

sage mango
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getting to the last heart on demeter counts

zenith wedge
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Is only 6 olympians

naive canyon
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I'm in a mythology class right now and it's cool to see the parallels

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We were talking about Dionysus' origin story and while she didn't actually mention Zagreus by name she did talk about his origin story (the Greek canon tho where he's the son of Zeus)

night abyss
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Dionysus being Zagreus is also Greek canon, just a specific subset of the Dionysus cult

naive canyon
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Well yeah

manic wave
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Greek myths vary widely anyway so like

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There's versions of the Orion myth where he's an incel and Artemis kills him for betraying her friendship

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And others where they were best friends, and falling for each other to the point where
1: she was going to give up her virgin oath to be with him
2: Apollo got jealous and killed him

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There's not too much surrounding the underworld deities since you weren't supposed to really speak of them, but some myths either say that Hades and Persephone were actually happily married, or that she 100% did not want to be with him even ages later

copper bay
# manic wave There's not too much surrounding the underworld deities since you weren't suppos...

Happily married is a stretch I feel considering attitudes at the time, and even with the most optimistic versions of this story. More than anything, it very much comes across as an arranged marriage that Zeus organised with Hades not exactly caring for the ethics of it, all without Demeter's knowledge or say in it.

Now sure, she's not stated as hating the union per se, not like Hera (and there's not much to glean from Amphitrite's own thoughts of her marriage) but it's hardly a perennial romance.

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Which makes me wonder why so many modern readers project modern sensibilities regarding romance with this particular myth, when you have clear romance in examples like Eros/Psyche, Perseus/Andromeda or even Orpheus/Euridice. Maybe it's because of Zeus being that bad?

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So Hades look saintly because he doesn't sleep around (except he did have side lovers in some myths) nor raped his wife (or he did after kidnapping her according to certain versions).

manic wave
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Eros and Psyche is certainly the best one, though even that kind of has a bit of a double standard? Psyche betrayed his trust, but compared to her punishment it was really minor, and part of that feels specifically because she's female.

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I'm not too sure about Perseus and Andromeda, either. He's definitely a stand up guy and the one gigachad among Greek heroes, but he was basically awarded Andromeda by her parents because he saved her from the sea monster she was being sacrificed to.

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But maybe there's variations, and either they arranged the wedding or she was into him and herself advocated for it

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As for Hades and Persephone, I used that phrase as shorthand for there being myths where the love was mutual/reciprocal. Even if that's a pretty low bar, it's still higher than most mythical relationships.

copper bay
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Hellenic women in the Bronze Age be like: "So what kind of future can I have where I'm not either sold off by my father/brother, raped, cheated on or be banished?"

Me, a travelling aoidos: "Best I can do is becoming a witch, moving to Lesbos or being an oracle."

copper bay
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Plato vibes

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What a madman

manic wave
copper bay
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You remind me that I still need to read the Nicomachean Ethics.

manic wave
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Even if you were assaulted

copper bay
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True.

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Admittedly, I haven't read much into the sources surrounding the huntresses of Artemis. I guess the punishments for succumbing to the horni would be severe. You know, for how innocent Artemis can be, she really can be as cruel as they come. Still an Olympian I suppose, and a daughter of Zeus nonetheless.

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As Hades said, vindictiveness does indeed run in the family, as does pride.

manic wave
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She doesn't realize it, but she's actually a Regina George clone

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If you're going off the "damn she's down bad for Orpheus" myths, she holds her huntresses to a higher standard than herself

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Mean girl Artemis when

copper bay
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copper bay
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Aye, just most of them.

manic wave
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Sparta of all places respected women more than most of Greece, lmao

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It's still a very traditional/closed mindset where they're meant to raise kids and take care of the home, but with how seriously Sparta took things that was considered a role worthy of respecting

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But they were able to straight up own property and had an education

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Apparently most of what we know is gleaned from sources outside Sparta though, so a lot of those are biased against them, but it's still pretty cool

copper bay
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Sparta might not be the example to be called considering their slavery hard-on, but those points do apply. And yes, I do love Athenian imperialist sources too šŸ˜‰

manic wave
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I mean, didn't most parts of Greece have slavery

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Hell, most parts of the ancient world

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It's better than nothing šŸ˜©

copper bay
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As I recall, no other city-state compared population percentage-wise to Sparta's helot numbers. And from what I've read, they really treated them like garbage (when they didn't murder them indiscriminately).

night abyss
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IIRC a LOT of the spartan military time was spent putting down slave rebellions compared to other parts of greece

manic wave
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Spartans when a guy whose entire family line has only known slavery asks for an extra crumb of bread during the winter

molten perch
uncut adder
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Whatā€™s the name of that dude who got hunted down and eaten by his own dogs cuz he accidentally saw Diane (Artemis) naked?

copper bay
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Actaeon

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Rough death, but it sure must have been a sight-. I wager he ended up in Asphodel because the Judges took some pity on him.

uncut adder
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Bruh!!!

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Ass then!

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Jeez

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Dionysus (Bacchus) was Zeus tier.

manic wave
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The only really scummy thing I can think of Dionysus doing was forcing Theseus to abandon Ariadne so he could get with her

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And of course as usual, that depends on the version of the myth because others say Theseus abandoned her without any prompting and Dionysus was just there to take pity on her

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But other than that he's a pretty chill dude

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copper bay
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Xiao was right, there are other versions such as that by Diodorus Siculus and Pausanias (and potentially Apollonius Rhodius depending on how you interpret him) where Dionysus basically threatens Theseus to give up his lover, which he does.

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Apparently she was pretty shapely which is why Dionysus had the hots for her, if Hesiod can be believed.

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Speaking of a goddess who was described as shapely, with good ankles and red hair as far as I remember...

uncut adder
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Nah, bro was wilding hard

uncut adder
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In one of the stories, his cult (which is why goat head cults are such a big thing, pro tip) straight up ripped a guy apart while alive and ate him because he pissed him off or something.

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I canā€™t remember the full story.

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Bro used to tear up marriages under the guise of parties and celebrations and have orgies SO HUGE, people literally died from exhaustion.

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Bruh.

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He big poopy head that make me go cry cry.

manic wave
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He's a psycho hedonist but like

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Other Greek cults did stuff like that

uncut adder
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Ik, but his was notorious.

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Am I wrong in thinking that his was the worse?

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He was called the GOD of Madness.

copper bay
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I think there's a lot of nuance to be easily missed from just a surface level look at the Dionysian myths and cults. Sure, we have cautionary tales involving the Maenads ripping people like Orpheus to shreds, and Dionysus himself driving people insane or turning them to dolphins, but they symbolically serve more as a warning of what humans are capable off without any self-restraint in place.

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Also, the Dionysian cults were heavily involved with theatre (comedy and tragedy being the two pillars) - Nietzsche reflected how tragedies were a mechanism through which people found meaning in a cruel existence, and contentment in the small things.

There were also the Dionysian Mysteries (which just like the other cults, Eleusinian, Delphic, etc) helped people gain profound insights at times of need as psychedelics are prone to often do today, just as they did back then - Dio's main symbol of the thrysus staff is symbolic exactly because it's been theorised that the pinecone was packed with stuff that made you high, or so some archaeologists have posited.

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Living was also about experiencing the extremes of human emotion, without inhibition. Drink, parties, drugs and sex just happened to be the most freeing things for folks back then...and nowadays too.

uncut adder
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And you've clearly explored this a lot.

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So don't get me wrong, I'm not disregarding what you said, I think you're dead on.

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But it's still really bad.

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But, what do u think is the greatest crime the gods ever copmitted?

copper bay
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Well, Zeus killed almost all of Hellas with a flood at one point.

uncut adder
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Oh yeahā€¦ The Great Flood Story.

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Thatā€™s definitely the largest scale.

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Personally I think what Poseidon and Athena did to Medusa was the most egregious thing gods have ever done to one human.

copper bay
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Collateral as far as they're concerned. And the gods care little for mortal lives.

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It could be argued that Hera (and possibly at Zeus's own insistence or involvement) did the worst by trying to kill her own son Hephaestus - and still have the gall to hate him after he came back crippled for all of eternity.

uncut adder
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copper bay
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The gods are still people lad. And infanticide is about as bad as it gets.

uncut adder
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Still though Zeus and Hera is literally the personification of toxic relationship:

copper bay
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Well, Zeus tricked Hera into marrying him and also raped her to seal the deal.

uncut adder
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Zeusā€™s favourite play.

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And Poseidon whoā€™s more into direct methods.

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Thatā€™s why I think what they did to Medusa was so horrifying.

copper bay
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Poseidon is more of a bully while Zeus is far more crafty and cowardly in his actions. A quaint parallel to Odin in that way-

uncut adder
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Exactly:

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Theyā€™re both asses but I respect the Norses more.

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Especially since they actually could die.

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Less immortal than just too powerful to die to anything mortal.

uncut adder
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It truly rots the soul.

uncut adder
manic wave
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All this to say

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Hermes > every other Olympian

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He simply does a little trolling

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Actually, I don't think I've read anything about Hephaestus being vengeful outside of humiliating Ares and Aphrodite

uncut adder
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Hestia.

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Hestia is queen.

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unproblematic princess.

manic wave
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Well, I meant of the Olympians who actually have a seat

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But yes, soft mom

uncut adder
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Sheā€™s one of the first 12 but she doesnā€™t have a seat?

atomic forge
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of the olympian I definitely like Hermes and for chthonic definitely Hypnos

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them both starting with H being unrelated

white saddle
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I ALWAYS go for Hermes boons when I see them bc they get so expensive in styx

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500 obol like what

fathom knot
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?

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Getting hermes in styx is 500 obols because hermes is a limited resource

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you only get 2 if you donā€™t see him in styx

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you sound like you donā€™t know that and I donā€™t know how to explain why

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They donā€™t ā€œget expensiveā€

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I canā€™t words right now

white saddle
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Me yesterday probably understood but I just woke up

fathom knot
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demand is high and stock is low for hermes boons

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So price go up

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Except

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like

white saddle
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Sometimes I get epic hyper sprint and Sometimes I get common side hustle. I wish the keepsake improved the rarity.

fathom knot
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Huper sprint rarity doesnā€™t do muvh

white saddle
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Although it was useful(the keepsake)

fathom knot
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What really matters is rusu delivery rarity

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My uh

uncut adder
white saddle
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I got 20% dodge chance on a beowulf run yesterday that was fun

fathom knot
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I am coping with what energy my brain is willing to out into typing

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And ending up spelling a lot wrong

uncut adder
white saddle
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Lol I should've been up and getting ready 15 minutes ago lol

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Anyways I gtg

copper bay
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I posited a certain question to a friend of mine who's a professor of Greek studies and lives and works there currently. I said:

It's be apt to say that myths are larger than life stories of people or characters reminiscent of the people who lived in those times - showcasing the strongest and brightest qualities, while twisting and making hyperboles of their worst moments, wouldn't you say?
Perhaps in a world where divinities were real, their lives were far more nuanced than the singers would like to admit.

uncut adder
copper bay
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He responds with:

Bards just took what they could sing and sang it. Aristoteles writes that the complexity comes from the people - if there were many Homers, the Iliad would be different.

uncut adder
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Indeed.

manic wave
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copper bay
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You know, I don't mean to obfuscate and lessen what are obviously terrible acts but a part of me wonders how the act of rape and kidnapping of beautiful women especially in the world of Greek myth is a reflection of a mysoginistic attitude at the time that rape was seen as more... comedic? That because beauty had a certain effect, even on the gods, it was justifiable to lose all rationality, hence why it's so prolific across a lot of the stories of males in myth.

Hermes seems at least mostly clean from memory, and I think he's only spared bad limelight due to his relative youth to the other gods.

uncut adder
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copper bay
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Dionysus is the same being a former demigod. Actually, Hermes was always the most helpful god to a lot of people in a real sense. And he does the most favours for heroes...save for Zeus's own blessings of course - but there, I'm sure the storytellers didn't want to piss him off for good reason (and to curry favour with religious sentiment).

uncut adder
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Ah.

manic wave
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Hermes' scummiest actions amount to the standard "deity is upset that you bad mouthed them, so you're turned into a dove" and one time where he stole Aphrodite's slipper to get her to sleep with him

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So it'd seem he's the least scummy male deity.

uncut adder
manic wave
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Apollo's committed sexual assault, too.

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At least Hermes has only resorted to cheesy [redacted]hub level blackmail

uncut adder
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You know the story of Echo and Narcissus?

manic wave
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Yeah, that's pretty entry level for greek myths

uncut adder
manic wave
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As far as tragedies go, hers is pretty shallow

uncut adder
uncut adder
manic wave
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Hades being a gigachad and letting Hercules take Cerberus for his 12th labor on the condition that he bring him back safe and sound

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"Sure, you can borrow the dog, just take good care of him"

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And, y'know

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"Prove you're tough enough to make him listen to you by using your bare hands"

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Well

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Heracles

uncut adder
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Mine was the flood story, Deucalion and Pyrrha.

copper bay
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My favourite Greek myth...hmm.

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I think I've got a soft spot for the Pygmalion one (being artistic myself) as there's so many interpretations. Hmm, maybe not my favourite, per se.

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Dionysus's ascension to divinity is always a good tale.

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If there was a hero that killed giant scorpions like in the movies, it'd have to be them too, because there's not many things scarier to fight than a giant scorpion.

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what about a giant spider

copper bay
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Just got the teeth - a scorpion has strong pincers, an armoured shell and a long, fast-as-Hermes tail stinger that's venomous.

uncut adder
white saddle
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I'm gonna sound so stupid if I say Ariadne šŸ˜­

manic wave
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One of the quiet tragedies of Greek myths is not what happened to Medusa, but the fact that the person who killed her was also one of the only people who might have shown her kindness

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Perseus is an all around great guy, to the point where he didn't want to become a king specifically because he heard a prophecy that he would kill his grandfather and take his throne

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A grandfather who didn't deserve any of that, by the way, because he tried to kill Perseus and his mother by drowning

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The guy only went on a quest for the sake of saving his mother, so if there's anyone that would take pity on Medusa, it's him. Except he didn't know anything about her, only that she was a monster, and he wound up killing an innocent woman

uncut adder
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But I think itā€™s another thread in the tragic tapestry (tragestry lol) that is Medusa.

molten perch
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Iā€™d like to think that thru zag perseus and dusa might make up

uncut adder
royal thunder
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haha

uncut adder
jaunty mortar
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Ultrakill and Hades cross over? Nice šŸ˜‚

uncut adder
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Just thought itā€™d be funny.

jaunty mortar
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I DID IT

uncut adder
jaunty mortar
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Ah oops Wrong channel lol

uncut adder
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When you but a new sheet music and it bops.

lethal bolt
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does your hermes heart only unlock once you || defeat charon twice in a row ? ||

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also i've played > 100 runs and i still haven't unlocked the hidden rail aspect šŸ¤”

manic wave
manic wave
lethal bolt
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tyty

manic wave
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First time I've gotten this one in 200+ runs

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The fact that Hades specifically teaches his son to cuss is absolute gold

autumn lance
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i dont remember if i've seen that one before lmao

zenith wedge
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One of my favs

fathom knot
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I saw it recently

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I shall have to start using blood and darkness in everyday conversation

autumn lance
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modded moment i haven't seen one in ages

zenith wedge
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The other one is when dad questions what is zag god of, and i think after reading his codex entry he just answer "im the god of blood"

autumn lance
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oh yeah i remember that one

zenith wedge
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The others are just ron Tho

manic wave
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Nah

autumn lance
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the death ones are funny tho

manic wave
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There's a wholesome one

autumn lance
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there's a banana death one

manic wave
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^

zenith wedge
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Post credits deaths are funny yeah

manic wave
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He also dies to a roadrunner skit

zenith wedge
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Fan of the bear one

manic wave
autumn lance
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ran over by a chariot gang

zenith wedge
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Or the "hey can you jump this totally normal well?" "Sure!"

manic wave
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One of my favorites is one where he literally dies of old age

fathom knot
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Bl*^d and d#rkn{ss

zenith wedge
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He also dies to some tools in the garden no?

autumn lance
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the classic "step on a rake" one i think

zenith wedge
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Also the one where the narrator just pulls up the "it was a dream" card

fathom knot
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W narrator

uncut adder
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Damn, these mods sound great.

marble heron
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so how do i get poseidon's favor

manic wave
stable valley
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There's one lil plot thread I don't think ever got resolved: What in hades is up with the satyrs in the Styx Temple? The codex entry on them suggests there's something more significant to their presence in the temple, yet we've no idea where they came from, what their goals are, nothing. All we know is they are disgusting and Cerberus quite enjoys... whatever the hell is in those sacks.

manic wave
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And since they're satyr cultists, I'd guess they have some ungodly obsession with life and pleasure. The grim certainty of death is something an eternal frat boy would hate, and instead of accepting death's inevitability like normal people they just throw a hissy fit

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They're not actually doing anything besides vandalizing for the sake of it

mystic mortar
night abyss
uncut adder
white saddle
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My cat is licking my fingers lmao

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He's been going for like 5 minutes I'm gonna get a rash

uncut adder
white saddle
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I need to wash my hands before I get some next disease from those experience

manic wave
uncut adder
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How u been btw bao?

pastel sparrow
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Persphone mentioned that 'they slew their parents once". Did she mean the Olympians each slew their own parents?

night abyss
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Titans

fathom knot
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šŸ§ šŸ§ šŸ§ 

uncut adder
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Havenā€™t reached that yet but that sounds like a hell of a gaslight.

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Nah, this isnā€™t new players channel.

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I rember it, itā€™s around where Iā€™m at in the game.

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I realised later that was Nyx tryna keep us apart.

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Dusa on the grindset fr fr.

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True, Nyx didnā€™t seem like an elitist.

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Typical CEO behaviour.

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I ain't finna lie, Hades and Nyx are two big dogs in a pen.

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Neither of them back down.

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Zag just respects Nyx more tho.

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I just think he's seen Nyx angry much.

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True.

dense juniper
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Is it just me or does Hades just not seem like that bad of a dad

uncut adder
manic wave
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Zeus tries to bone his own daughter in some, and in many has physically abused his son

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Where Hades is mostly just a cold, demanding, distant figure in Zag's life

uncut adder
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He constantly verbally abuses him in every possible situation.

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When you pet cerberus.

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When you come back from a death.

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When you pass him crossing the room.

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In those flashbacks.

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Every time youā€™re near him he puts down Zagreus.

manic wave
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I'm Asian, that's nothing šŸ˜Ž

uncut adder
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Lel, Ass Dad.

uncut adder
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Heā€™s a really well designed character though.

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Heā€™s not just an ass for the sake of being an ass.

lavish oriole
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Meg says something along the lines of "Tisiphone got caught up in her work" and iirc that is why she calls zagreus "murderer" what work did she get caught up in? Punishing the damned i assume?

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Ir's been a hot minute since i played hades so i might be wrong

night abyss
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Punishing murderers yes

fair lintel
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Is this where I can ask about the true epilogue of the story?

night abyss
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Yes

fair lintel
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Cool, so... if I got it correctly, I need to give nectar to the gods and develop closer relationships with them for this ending to trigger? Are there any specific ones I should aim for, or I need all of them? And if so, do they all need to be maxed out?

night abyss
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Just the Olympians and chaos if you'd like. I believe you just need to break their locks

frozen jolt
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you need to forge a full bond with 6 of them

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ambrosia and all

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demeter up to the lock counts as a full bond tho, for the purposes of this

fair lintel
night abyss
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Evidently I've forgotten this part oops

frozen jolt
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nope it doesnt matter which

fair lintel
pastel sparrow
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Who are the Titans?

sand bolt
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The gods who came before the olympians

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Zeus, hades, and poseidon are all children of two of the titans

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Among others

pastel sparrow
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Where does Demeter fit into this? Cousins with the Titans?

sand bolt
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Same generation as Zeus and hades and Poseidon

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Sheā€™s their sister

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I believe sheā€™s the eldest according to the game, not sure if thatā€™s part of Greek mythology or just the game

manic wave
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It's the game. The eldest Olympian is Hestia, and they made Demeter a "foster sister" to the older olympians to reduce the level of incest. She's supposed to be Zeus' sister, meaning Hades is Persephone's uncle.

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Thing is, it doesn't help that much, because Kronos and Rhea (the titan parents of Zeus, Hera, etc) were siblings of Hyperion, so it's just one degree of separation.

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Instead of her mom's brother, Persephone fell in love with her mom's first cousin lmao

sand bolt
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I thought Persephone was the daughter of Demeter and Zeus originally

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So thatā€™s already sus

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And explains why Demeter doesnā€™t care for Zeus lol

white saddle
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God's just has incest on another level. Maybe that's why Hephaestus was ugly

manic wave
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Nope

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Every god is hot but like, him and pan

molten perch
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it's implied hephaestus is ugly b/c zeus and hera hated each other's guts

fathom knot
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But then again the myths have like atleast 3 different versions for each of them

fierce pollen
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What does dark foresight do exactly?

fathom knot
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So boons, hammers, gold, centaur hearts >>>> darkness, gemstones, gifts and keys

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Always use it over the other mirror option

fierce pollen
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Dang, and here I thought +40% rare boons was good.

sand bolt
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#h1-discussion :p I donā€™t think mirror talents factor into the story

fierce pollen
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Oh whoops, my mistake

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Very embarrassing

fathom knot
uncut adder
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Heā€™s crippled because Hera literally kicked him out of Olympus onto earth so hard he was permanently handicapped.

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The Gods suck ass.

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Oh wait no, I back and checked.

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Hera tried to make a baby on her own and Hephaestus came out deformed so she threw him from Olympus into the sea and he fell for days. until he hit the ocean and became so crippled that even as a god he couldnā€™t restore himself.

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Yeah.

molten perch
uncut adder
molten perch
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Extremely

uncut adder
molten perch
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Yeah!

manic wave
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It's dependent on versions of the myth

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Some accounts say Artemis was down bad for her bestie Orion and was going to give up her virginity, others say she killed him for being an incel

uncut adder
uncut adder
fathom knot
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The convo literally just mentioned how myths have multiple versions

sand bolt
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Make your own Greek god headcanon

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Nobody can stop you

fathom knot
sand bolt
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Valid

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Hades: Pingu version

manic wave
uncut adder
uncut adder
uncut adder
dense juniper
copper bay
# uncut adder Hera tried to make a baby on her own and Hephaestus came out deformed so she thr...

Not in all versions. In some, he is biologically the son of Zeus as well.

The lameness was also a cultural symbol relating to smiths at the time crippling themselves from working with dangerous materials like lead.

As for Hephaestus's story, it could be that he was different, and not quite the perfect first child she was expecting for her own progeny, so she commited a bit of hypocritical infanticide. Or well, at least tried to, but it's not easy to kill a god.

manic wave
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Some myths say Ares was their first born.

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And a lot of myths say you can't even fully kill a god, in the sense of erasing them entirely. The titans, even chopped into thousands of pieces and scattered so they can't reform, are still cognizant even in that form

copper bay
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Also, I'm curious what sources actually cite Kronos still being cognisant after being diced. Because it is an odd detail to have been included if we think from the context of storytellers at the time.

scenic meadow
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Not sure if this goes here but Zagreus dying by slipping on a banana peel is an image that will make me grin every time I love it

manic wave
scenic meadow
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I think I've gotten them all now but the banana and the chariot always make me go "Zag... Good lord."

minor badge
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vehicular manslaughter

leaden yoke
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At least that's when they started repeating for me, and I find it'd make sense.

night delta
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my favorite zag death is the bear, it's so funny

manic wave
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I like the one where he basically just spends an entire lifetime on the surface, then dies of old age

manic wave
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I'm confused, is there some event where Than no longer likes Zag? I've even had the throuple scene, but for a while he's been occasionally calling Zag just "friend," and I just had a line in the house where he went "I don't know what you want from me" all pouty before vanishing

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My monkey speedrunner brain turns off all higher functions because I usually just race through the house to start another run, so I wouldn't have noticed any change until now

warm quartz
manic wave
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Well, I've already had it, zag is dating them both on my game

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But now than is acting upset

warm quartz
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Heā€™s tsundere

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Nice name by the way. Now Iā€™m hungry.

manic wave
sand bolt
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Thandere

finite wolf
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taking latin in highschool rn and my teacher also plays hades! we love the accuracy of the lore and personifications of the characters šŸ™

fathom knot
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In some versions of the myth* thatā€™s true

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I swear Iā€™ve heard it being some rando farmer and demeter for peresphones origin but

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Now that Iā€™m looking it up

fathom knot
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I mean before I even was playing hades

fathom knot
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Iā€™m seeing a source saying her parents are zeus and styx lmfao what

nocturne plinth
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yeah mythology versions differ in strange ways

night abyss
sand bolt
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Zag is Zeus and Persephoneā€™s kid in some versions also

finite wolf
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i mean of course they bend the lore so its more consumer friendly

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but the general intent is there and its not inaccurate enough for someone with knowledge in mythology to not enjoy it

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theres moments where you can obviously see research and love and care has been put into the story writing and thats what really stands out to me

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one of my favourites (probably isnt just me) is the dionysus zag orpheus interaction

sand bolt
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Yee

manic wave
# sand bolt Zag is Zeus and Persephoneā€™s kid in some versions also

Orpheus mentions it, yeah. There was basically a cult of Dionysus that saw Zeus and Hades as 2 sides of the same deity, along with Zagreus and Dionysus. Zagreus was born of this incest, Hera got pissy as usual, and she had him murdered and eaten by the titans before he was eventually reborn as Dionysus.

manic wave
leaden yoke
manic wave
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Sisyphus is mostly presented as this slimy, weaselly coward because he was one in real life, but the one we see is reformed and doesn't see his punishment in as negative a light as before. There's this philosopher named Camus that used Sisyphus his situation as an argument for an idea called absurdism, that there's no meaning inherent to things, but only what we find in them. I'd bet they based this one on that idea, since he finds pushing Bouldy to be basically therapeutic now

leaden yoke
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I thought it was just complete and utter nonsense to humor the players.

manic wave
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Oh, yeah.

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And, wouldn't you know it

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The cult/beliefs were called Orphic after Orpheus

leaden yoke
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xD

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Next thing you tell me there's mythological merrit to Pomegranates and Onions in Hades (and no other fruit and vegetables).

night abyss
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Pomegranates yes, unsure about onions

leaden yoke
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Okay yeah pomegranates make sense as well. They're pretty special fruits to begin with.

manic wave
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Pomegranates are straight up part of every hades/persephone myth lmao

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I like the spin on it since they went with her not actually being kidnapped, too

night abyss
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Literally a pivotal moment in the story of how they met

manic wave
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"Son, you know I have to come back every year because I've eaten pomegranates, right?"
"Haven't you been gone for 3 centuries-"
"Shut up Zagreus just go with it"

narrow walrus
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maybe zag could live on the surface if heā€™d never had a pomegranate

manic wave
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That's not it

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It's heavily implied if not outright being the case that Persephone made it up

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Seeing as how she was gone for Zag's entire life without having to come back, and is the one that brought pomegranates to the underworld in the first place

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Zagreus and Hades are tied to the underworld because that's their domain that the fates decided for them

night abyss
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Fates kinda rude ngl

manic wave
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It's possible this would be the case for Thanatos too. He spends more time than anyone outside the Underworld, but he still finds it overwhelming to his senses every time, or at least jarring.

finite wolf
pulsar panther
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So many cool little reinterpretations of Greek mythology

copper bay
sand bolt
white saddle
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Sowing the seeds of rebellion

white saddle
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Chat dead?

sand bolt
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Hypnos getting praise from Thanatos for doing a better job is wholesome

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Cerby favor easiest thing in the world to complete

crude token
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find it kind of funny that a roguelite puts so much damn effort into its text and I'm invested in every moment of it (greek/roman mythology is probably about the best place to do so and much of this is "spoiled" just by knowing a thing or two about greek mythology/tales, but still)

sand bolt
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They made it a roguelite specifically so they could have a big intertwined story

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With dialogue that you slowly unlock

shell summit
sand bolt
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Everyone knows the real reason she stays in the underworld for a certain amount of time and then returns to the surface is cuz ||you plant seeds under the ground and later they return as crops||

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šŸ¤Æ

copper bay
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Symbolically speaking...pretty neat.

crude token
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also after getting to persephone half a dozen times, I'm gonna blame it on the track they play for this being perfect but whoever the VA who did the dialogue is for zag really sells it idk.

everyone else feels right for lack of a better term too even tho zeus/hades/poseidon are the same man, persephone and demeter are probably the same actress??? and a bunch of others I'm not noticing thinking of rn

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yeah but skellys VA has no job-security lol

crude token
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also idk if this counts as a spoiler (the story is treating it as one rn despite it being part of the "passing knowledge of greek mythology/tales would tell you this" but zagreus being surprised that ||the daughter demeter keeps mentioning is persephone/she's his grandmother|| (not that she knows and only because she drops the name in passing, but still) feels weird... for some reason it feels like he should like, innately know this already? idk

restive turtle
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Wha- REALLY?

crude token
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that seems funny if true

sand bolt
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All he knows about Persephone is that sheā€™s mom and she left, at first

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He thinks (and the Olympians think) heā€™s their cousin solely through hades

restive turtle
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I feel like he doesn't know a lot of it or it wasn't really taught to him. Like, he didn't know what had happened between Orpheus and Eurydice until he told him himself

sand bolt
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Never watched Hercules? megamind

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Valid

fathom knot
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so

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Your greek mythos knowledge isnā€™t that large then

restive turtle
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Well yeaaah makes no sense at all but imaging the mythology events are happening around him, Hades focused on his work, maaaybe zag was busy enough to actually listen to them, but it's a vague idea I know

fathom knot
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What is the ultra niche stuff then?

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šŸ¤Ø

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ā€œI dunno it so itā€™s ultra nicheā€

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-L50 divine dash probably (I def didnā€™t just misquote ā€˜im)

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Thoughts on bouldy tower defense 6?

oblique coral
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May i ask

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Is the narrator an old zagreus?

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Cause thats how i interpret it

sand bolt
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Homer

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(Not Simpson)

open berry
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its never explicitly confirmed but yeah the game seems to heavily imply the narrator is the poet homer. the clues are from interacting repeatedly with the poet bust cosmetic you can purchase from the contractor, and the fact the bust also resembles a real life bust of him

restive turtle
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Ohh, I really thought the narrator was just that comic almighty voice that breaks forth wall

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I like to know that it is Homer

sand bolt
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Itā€™s both!

median ridge
crude token
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when zagreous sneaks into ||hades private quarters and you can inspect the wardrobe just for it to recall that one convo and say "he really does have a wardrobe of just capes!"|| was hilarious

mystic mortar
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love dusa

sand bolt
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I died at the capes thing too

mystic mortar
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how many times do I have to die to a given source to get all the hypnos dialogue for it

open berry
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depends on the source, many things he has one comment to, some things he has 2 or more

white saddle
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Yeah like natural causes has quite a few

sleek sequoia
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Or the minotaur. Big fan!

sand bolt
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Minotaurs are based

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I have a tattoo of one

crude token
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chaos having a storyline/sidequest-thingamajig (yes I know like 70% of named characters seem to have some sort of considerable character arc/development over the course of your runs) feels really weird mostly because I've never seen chaos... acknowledged? idk

fathom knot
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That sounds

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Very relevant

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I mean if they didnā€™t exist neither would the world

crude token
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yeh

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I mean... "embodiment of"

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idk

poseidon is lord of the earth and seas but he's still a separate entity, in some capacity

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I don't think I've liked an overconfident prick ever (theseus) even though he p much constantly gets his ass handed to him by this point in my journey

manic wave
#

I mean... Gaia orchestrated the reign of the Titans by plotting to kill/overthrow her husband, lured him to bed with her, then had her son castrate him, only to THEN orchestrate the downfall of Cronus and the Titans with the Olympians, only to THEN try and overthrow the Olympians too by birthing the Giants

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Oh, not to mention Typhon

sand bolt
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Based gaia

manic wave
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The funniest bit is that she tries to overthrow everyone because they mistreated her other family

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Gaia: My son, just like his father, has imprisoned my other children! Surely my grandson, after overthrowing him in a literal war and barely escaping being devoured as an infant, won't do to the Titans what they did to the 100 Handed Ones

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She literally pits family against family then gets upset when said family mistreats one another

crude token
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xd

crude token
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I love that I was initially after the credits thinking of fighting hades as "father-son-bonding-time" and now I've done it enough times/heard enough dialogue that it almost actually feels like both of them enjoy it in that capacity? lol

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I have 25 ambrosia and deadass no idea what to do with them besides trade them 1;1 titan blood from the broker... idk what to do with it I just know it mentions "for upgrading and giving to friends" but don't know how to... toggle that instead of nectar???

leaden yoke
crude token
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alright that's kind of what I figured but tyvm for telling me that

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I just found it odd that I've gotten so much damn ambrosia already (I think I've gotten like... close to 40 now???) and yet I only have like 10 ambrosia at a time

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(yes I know its just there to fill out the relations in your codex/advance story, but still)

leaden yoke
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I mean I'm at the point in the game where none of the resources do anything anymore aside from cosmetics, and close to where they don't do anything at all anymore. The use of all resources is limited.

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Although most players playing the game causally will probably accumulate large amounts of nectar before they get close to enough ambrosia for that to happen.

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And yes every named character in Hades has a character arc. Even the ones that cannot be given gifts to an extend.

crude token
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so... is the issue is that I got good at fighting hades/t&a/elysium/styx too quickly?

leaden yoke
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If you wanna call it "issue" yeah '^^

crude token
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well obv its not but as per the "I feel like I have way too much ambrosia and not enough nectar" inquiry, lol yes

leaden yoke
#

Most people I've heard of need a lot of runs to even get to the heroes, and then need like at least 10 tries before they beat them the first time.

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And this is myself included.

crude token
#

I'm also an oddity (and a moron) because (I already knew that the mirror + heat existed before playing) but I assumed that heat automatically took away mirror so I decided my first time slaying hades would be mirrorless lol

leaden yoke
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Lmao

crude token
#

would've also been with the shield but I lost that run so I put that away (I already realized at that point "holy crap what the hell is the shields DPS + ability to tank block p much everything") and I think my first run was completed with... I think aspect of hestia, tbh

crude token
# leaden yoke And this is myself included.

tbf I also just realized you saying "the heroes" is specifically t&a, p sure I only beat them third time I was there or smthn. Still not the same thing as a dozen runs tho

leaden yoke
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Ah yeah, t&a are commonly referred to as "the heroes" in game.

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As in "heroes vanquished" after you beat them.

crude token
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ye

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really cool that the game keeps meticulous logs

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yeah I died 4 times to the heroes before killing them but again that was with tryharding (on 2nd thought my first attempt to reach styx/hades was w/ shield...)

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I think my records are wrong

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it says I oneshot the heroes but I'm p sure I ragequit or smthn at some point (I don't remember doing that at all besides a bone hydra fight gone horribly wrong or smthn but still)

crude token
#

fwiw I apparently have like 7 deaths to them after I started using boons so maybe I got super frickin' sloppy or smthn idk lol

mystic mortar
#

even my first time playing, I never had enough nectar...
but I beat heroes my first try (admittedly after dying to solo asterius three times in a row)

crude token
#

I was gonna mention the fact that I always buy titanblood/diamond from charon then looked at broker and realized that had no bearing on me having (what feels like) far too many ambrosia for the time being

manic wave
#

You get no nectar because the trade-in for it is keys and keys are actually in short supply since you need so many

sand bolt
placid imp
mortal moth
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I just got skelly's relationship maxxed out, i love this guy hes such a little stinker

sand bolt
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I want to find out who hired him

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But havenā€™t so far

mortal moth
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well given ive just maxxed out his relationship and i also dont know i suspect it may be a secret we never find the answer to

sand bolt
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ā€œeven Poseidon knows youā€™re just a blowhard with a fancy rideā€

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The savagery in em3

crude token
leaden yoke
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Don't wanna spoil it though since the two of you don't know yet ^^

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And yes, Skelly is such a fun character! He and Dusa were my first two maxed relationships ^^

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Actually Dusa first, then Skelly.

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||After maxing out Dusa, I suddenly had a lot of Ambrosia to gift lol||

mortal moth
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ahhh i cant wait ^^

atomic forge
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what is em3

crude token
#

does this channel double as a music discussion channel (ignoring the off topic #music )? I'd like to say so but the really good tracks just existing seem like larger spoilers than most of the major storybeats

sand bolt
#

Spoilers arenā€™t off limits here, only in new players

leaden yoke
#

I mean hearts. What else would you mean with maxed relationship?

fathom knot
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For the bond forged chibi

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And she isnā€™t impossible to forge bond isth

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He just has bad rng

leaden yoke
#

Wait doesn't that unlock with max hearts? Maybe I misremember, but I would've bet money on it thanthink

sand bolt
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The 3 romance partners donā€™t forge bond at max hearts

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They require a final conversation

leaden yoke
#

So according to some online posts, Dusa's bond requires you to talk with Nyx as well, which is like... sure, I did that.

sand bolt
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Dusaā€™s bond requires you to go win the lottery and get struck by lightning

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Istg

leaden yoke
sand bolt
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Presumably

leaden yoke
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At least for me it didn't take long after.

sand bolt
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It didnā€™t for me for Meg and than