Artemis isn’t core to the build
#h1-builds-and-combat
valid stratus
ok
long escarp
Watch some speedruns maybe
valid stratus
i have hunting blades/mirage shot and i feel unstoppable
but i know better than to get too cocky
wild owl
I somehow got 2 defiances from chaos, plus I added skelly’s lucky tooth to bump it up to 6
That’s true invincibility
turbid needle
true invincibility is 100% dodge chance
plume, greater evasion, zag fists, second wind, smair, athena call =win
you basically can't die
wild owl
you basically can't die
Ah yes 64 heat strat
And yes it’s satire before people start jabbing at me
turbid needle
can't imagine getting much with plume at 64
but you need god keepsake for specific stuff anyway
unless you want to fully submit your body and mind to rnjesus
or do seeded
wild owl
Seeded is substantially easier
You can script just the right rooms every time
Including rewards, format, I think even enemies?
Actually idk if you can change the shape of a room via seed
lucid oar
The top routed runs are extremely hard to execute
turbid needle
even with premium seeding you still have to be god
wild owl
even with premium seeding you still have to be god
Yeah but for unseeded 64 heat you might as well require a gamma ray event to send you straight to the victory screen
“Oh wow I started in the hades arena and he died instantly” type of bs
wild owl
Explosive twin? ballsy, seeing that you have to get pretty close and wait for a long time for that to work
But damn if the damage isn’t gonna be chunky
remote spoke
opaque hare
Zag shield increases charged shot dmg?
serene blade
Why do speed runners use any heat at all?
strange lark
we use em2 and fo2, em2 brings lernie heads closer, fo2 makes enemies spawn faster
gusty rapids
also tight deadline (TD) disables the long 'survival' rooms in tartarus. those rooms pause the in game timer (IGT) so TD is turned off for IGT runs, but those rooms are really bad for real time (RTA) runs, so RTA runs take TD
serene blade
Got it
wild owl
also tight deadline (TD) disables the long 'survival' rooms in tartarus. those r...
Oh I thought any amount of heat disabled them
gusty rapids
no it has to specifically be tight deadline
wild owl
No wonder I stopped seeing those rooms
bright solar
recommended build for aspect demeter fists??
long escarp
recommended build for aspect demeter fists??
Merciful End or Zeus attack + Tidal dash
cyan saddle
what is merciful end?
cracks knuckles let thye expert handle this
long escarp
what is merciful end?
Can always Google it
bright solar
Can always Google it
true but hades google contains lots of spoilers
ill search anyway
errant acorn
Merciful End is the duo boon between Ares and Athena. It causes anything with a deflect effect to immediately trigger Doom, which otherwise runs on a timer once inflicted.
lucid oar
its kinda good
bright solar
tyty
valid stratus
but i know better than to get too cocky
oh yeah, update: i crushed him
fallen spoke
can someone give me a meme build
lucid oar
Aspect of eris with divine strike
fallen spoke
athena on gun my least favorite
long escarp
Wow that sounds incredibly painful
I’m actually wincing at how garbage that would be 
fallen spoke
it was
leaden helm
Best weapon hades?
long escarp
Some are better than others
wild owl
I guess bow could be better? Idk, but it offers range and high damage output
wild owl
Some are better than others
I think he means the weapons, not the aspects
long escarp
Beowulf, Hestia, Rama, Eris are all contenders for best aspect
wild owl
Beowulf, Hestia, Rama, Eris are all contenders for best aspect
Beowulf is crazy
Love that thing
long escarp
I think he means the weapons, not the aspects
Oh well in that case it’s bow rail and shield
wild owl
Crazy damage with instant cast drops
long escarp
Bow, Rail, Shield > Spear, Sword, Fists
wild owl
Unless trippy I guess
wild owl
Bow, Rail, Shield > Spear, Sword, Fists
But I’d say that sword is the most fun to use
Especially on Arthur
long escarp
I strongly disagree but that’s entirely opinion
wild owl
I strongly disagree but that’s entirely opinion
What’s fun for you
long escarp
Have you tried Hestia
wild owl
It’s satisfying finishing the combo with a dash then a delayed normal attack
long escarp
It’s like Arthur damage but from across the screen
wild owl
It’s like Arthur damage but from across the screen
Ooh that’s enticing
wild owl
~~Time to set up a macro for lmb ~~
long escarp
There’s a reason it’s by far the best weapon for hitless
wild owl
I’d probably get carpal tunnel from mashing r all the time ngl
Does delta chamber work with hestia?
proper furnace
you dont really mash with hestia, also delta still lets you reload on hestia
wild owl
you dont really mash with hestia, also delta still lets you reload on hestia
I’m bad with timing and stuff like that
wild owl
I’m just gonna make a macro for lmb that makes my click R like 100 ms after i left click
long escarp
And dash to cancel reload
wild owl
To start out with the aspect, literally just reload shoot reload shoot etc
Im bad because I’d rather not stand still while reloading
long escarp
And try to learn to dash strike on your empowered shots
long escarp
Im bad because I’d rather not stand still while reloading
Then dash to cancel that animation
proper furnace
can remap reload to something easy to press too
long escarp
Nah special is great
wild owl
I could remap reload to q or something
long escarp
But it’s complicated, so start out with just attack and dash strike
wild owl
Nah special is great
Yeah but that reload is better
long escarp
Implement specials and casts when you have the basic combo down
wild owl
I’ll try it out once I have enough blood to max it
long escarp
Yeah but that reload is better
Those are not mutually exclusive??????
proper furnace
hesita best user of hydro might
long escarp
Also best user of battle rage
wild owl
Those are not mutually exclusive??????
Eh, Ik but I’d rather pom up my attack like crazy than my special
long escarp
Huh???
wild owl
I’m just gonna do a few more beo runs for blood
long escarp
Special can be integrated into your combo in a way that does not reduce how often you attack at all
That’s what makes it good
long escarp
Hestia plays totally different to Eris
long escarp
Idk how to use it alright
It’s like non-Arthur swords in a way. Your special is a core part of your basic dps combo
wild owl
It’s like non-Arthur swords in a way. Your special is a core part of your basic ...
Ah ok
So like special-dash strike-dash strike on sword
For Arthur it’s just spam dashes and click when you’re standing still
And while the animation is going dash near an enemy
long escarp
So like special-dash strike-dash strike on sword
Kinda, yeah
wild owl
That’s the dumb bs I do anyways
long escarp
Optimal Hestia play involves using special to cancel reload animations on every other reload
wild owl
Nemesis is just special, and then dash strike for 3 seconds straight
long escarp
Yes
wild owl
Idk why I’m so damn slow on beo
Probably a skill issue
Or overkill for casts in Tartarus
long escarp
You dash strike before bull rushes?
proper furnace
they are way faster than standing attacks
long escarp
Yes
wild owl
I thought it was only for bow
long escarp
Dash strikes are basically always optimal (beside maybe Arthur)
wild owl
Dash strikes are basically always optimal (beside maybe Arthur)
Arthur is just trying to time your normal attacks with dashes
proper furnace
there isnt "dash bull rushes"
wild owl
there isnt "dash bull rushes"
Close enough
proper furnace
but dash strike into bullrush is faster than standing attack into bull rush
wild owl
Dash strike then bull rush
The long charge up on Arthur’s final swing is actually cool because I can just dash to relocate
If the enemy runs away or something i can just try to catch up before 1 shotting them
bright solar
runs with a juggernaut doom bow are so fun
is it possible to get the 2 arrows shot but reduced range + triple shot hammers at the same time
because 6 explosive doom arrows sound fun
valid dagger
No
bright solar
aww
astral moss
which boon should i take here?
https://imgur.com/nJ89UCw
im using chiron on the bow btw
astral moss
common attack speed
turbid needle
Get it if you can it's actually pretty strong with epic special speed
Annnnd I just realized I'm late
long escarp
I’m just trying to figure out the purpose of editing that image to cut out the middle boon
turbid needle
Probably felt like the common attack wasn't worth mentionning ? But otherwise yeah that's more effort then worth
astral moss
Probably felt like the common attack wasn't worth mentionning ? But otherwise ye...
yeah it kinda was tbh
tbf it did make zag look kinda funni
valid dagger
What's your first hammer
valid dagger
Since you already have Special speed might aswell go for Concentrated, but both are good picks
The whole combo of Epic Special Speed + Concentrated Volley is that if you chain Specials fast enough the base damage keeps ramping up through multiple volleys
But it's a lot easier said than done
turbid needle
That said base chiron doesn't have nearly as many arrows
Are we sure it still works with 4* arrows ?
valid dagger
I never tried it so not sure
astral moss
dang special speed + auto fire + double volley starts tto really rack up damage
omg i can stack two chaos boons with over 100% gem and darkness gain
lets gooo
long escarp
What is double volley
astral moss
the double attack
you shoot 2 arrows side by side but the attack loses range
idk if thats the actual name for it
long escarp
Twin Shot
astral moss
i mean what i said is sorta the same lol
astral moss
ok
astral moss
is zeus's attack or aphrodite's attack better for the gun's hidden aspect?
lucid oar
Zeus
agile fossil
What is the best weapon for Hermes trinket?
lucid oar
Zag fists or zag sword
agile fossil
Thx
feral night
can you get duo boons from a double boon room
valid dagger
no
feral night
can you get legendaries?
valid dagger
yes
fallen spoke
i was thinking art attack
long escarp
Nah
Breakpoints are very important
You want to be consistently one-shotting enemies
fallen spoke
ye
fallen spoke
ok
astral moss
can yarn of ariandne make boons heroic?
lucid oar
No
astral moss
oh dang this is a geat run i got epic aphrodite attack, a damage boon from chaos epic artimes crit chance and epic ares damage boon all in tarturus
if i dont win this im just bad
like this is basically just ez mode at this point
im using lucifer aspect btw
tawny grove
aphro on luci 
proper furnace
i thought you were doing a Hestia build lol
tawny grove
same
astral moss
aphro on luci <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
tbh zeus on luci dont do it for me
i had a good build with it and i couldnt get past phase one hades on no heat but then again i dont use the gun much anyway so idk
what should i take for hermes boons for luci?
proper furnace
either dashes or hyper sprint into rush delivery ig
purple special speed sounds fun with triple bomb but idk
tawny grove
yeah
long escarp
tbh zeus on luci dont do it for me
How
It’s literally just more dps
And it has better scaling bc jolted and splitting
Zeus >>>>
And it has better crowd control
strange lark
It’s literally just more dps
You can say this about a lot of things
long escarp
You can say this about a lot of things <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
No but I mean it’s basically strictly better
It’s not like it’s better but different
It’s just better
The only time to take Aphrodite attack is if you want to do less damage
long escarp
It’s kinda not though
lucid oar
Assuming no jolted/global damage, aphro attack is better at epic
Adds ~370 damage vs 300
long escarp
Is that assuming you get full ramp though
lucid oar
Yes
strange lark
If you're damue then you can
long escarp
Did he mod himself more i-frames?
lucid oar
He got hit a lot tbh
long escarp
Luci nonexistent i-frames + slow startup makes full ramp very rare even on bosses
astral lantern
what boons should i get for aphro cast
astral lantern
k
i dont see what the hype is with crush shot hera
i feel like dio is better
while terrible in rooms it has potential to do major damage to bosses
long escarp
i dont see what the hype is with crush shot hera
Speed
Watch some speedruns
Also you don’t have to wait after every cast
strange lark
My hera pb was with slicing shot
fading nymph
:disapointmentchampion:
thick valve
what is the best attack boon for normal sword?
turbid needle
imo artemis
thick valve
thank you
turbid needle
you can also try putting aphrodite on the special and go for heart rend duo
thick valve
thank you i will try it
turbid needle
another good build is ares attack, athena special, athena dash and merciful end duo
valid dagger
For the base sword I would personally take any flat damage over +% increases unless I have some insane Chaos to back it up
astral lantern
im trying to grind for titan blood what should i do for heat
long escarp
TD3
astral lantern
?
lucid oar
Tight deadline 3
wild owl
i need my heat to be at 19
Em4, ri4, ap1
Please don’t actually do that, it’s gonna be pain
worn solar
hs betterer
turbid needle
1 point of HL is nothing
turbid needle
wild owl
1 point of HL is nothing
Unless you have ri4? Idk
No mirror means you’re screwed over HARD
Hades can potentially 1 shot you i think
turbid needle
RI4 is the last thing you ever take
wild owl
Actually, many things should be able to lmao
wild owl
RI4 is the last thing you ever take
No dds is pain
Or sds i guess
Has anyone even done a 64 heat unseeded
tawny grove
dont believe so
turbid needle
Which casts don’t lodge stones. Trippy and blade right?
worn solar
well more like they didnt care about balancing 64 heat
or anything above 32-40 for that matter
lucid oar
Meme beam doesn’t lodge
turbid needle
Oh yeah forgot about that
wild owl
Meme beam doesn’t lodge
Oh yes the meme beam
long escarp
Has anyone even done a 64 heat unseeded
Angel and Baj have both done attempts (and have both made it at least to Champions iirc)
lucid oar
Baj made it to styx
turbid needle
That’s pretty damn good
wild owl
Angel and Baj have both done attempts (and have both made it at least to Champio...
Damn, that’s a really good attempt
turbid needle
Is zeus call the best one
wild owl
Is zeus call the best one
Very good call
long escarp
Is zeus call the best one
Probably
turbid needle
I know it’s very good
long escarp
I think so
lucid oar
Yeah it def is
turbid needle
When double strike 
long escarp
I believe the single-target damage is barely worse than Dionysus call, but the AOE is much better and it scales extremely well with Zeus tier 2s
wild owl
I was just wondering if it’s the best
Probably the best and most versatile
long escarp
Also it’s a prerequisite for Smoldering Air
turbid needle
And then if you get splitting bolt 
Yesterday was fighting hades, I had full zeus call, 40% double strike and 100% RD. Second part of phase 2 lasted like 2 seconds
lucid oar
And then if you get storm lightning 
I’ve had Zeus call proc for 400 damage before
Before double strike
astral moss
what's good for the spear's hidden aspect? its the last weapon i need for the infernal arms prophecy and i also wanna knock out the hidden aspect one out too
proper furnace
#h1-discussion message gy guide by Nyaanyaa
turbid needle
Spain without the A 
Anyway GY not that great cos it heavily relies on specific hammers
fallen spoke
Too bad it doesn’t benefit from the double strike bug <:bouldy:52332911693463553...
what?
lucid oar
what?
Double strike % is actually way higher than advertised for Zeus special, Zeus flare, sea storm and heavens vengeance. 40% displayed is actually more like 100% in practice
fallen spoke
Wow d1mn good to know
turbid needle
unholypancake made a doc with I think all known gameplay bugs https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit
it's a good read
turbid needle
what effect does swift flourish have on zeus special? does it make it travel faster or hit faster or what?
turbid needle
astral lantern
Anyone know a good Demeter non cast build
long escarp
Demeter boons or aspect?
cunning urchin
Anyone know a good Demeter non cast build
You'll pretty much always want Killing Freeze and Privileged Status for those. Since none of her t2 boons can be pommed... if I want to do a Lady Demeter build, I often just pick whichever t2 has the highest rarity and try to get them all. Better chance to get multiple at high rarity that way.
errant acorn
I used to be a really big fan of putting Chill effects on my attack and special, then using the dash from Athena.
Blinding Flash, I think it's called, is the boon from Athena you want to go for in that case.
long escarp
Blinding Flash is not good
errant acorn
If you can't backstab reliably, maybe.
long escarp
No even if you can tbh
It’s not good
It’s decent for builds that are starved for extra damage maybe
But generally the damage is unimpactful either due to already having large sources of % damage or not relying on % damage at all
shell sleet
Blinding Flash is not good
it's good because taking it improves chance to see DD boons
long escarp
Like on Rama it doesn’t do much because you should already have big % boons for your attack. And on Beowulf it doesn’t do much because your damage comes from casts. And on fists it doesn’t do much because your damage comes from doom or lightning
Obviously that’s not every weapon but it’s some examples
hazy slate
how good is it to like, get the hammer upgrades that increase damage to armor?
long escarp
Generally good but it kinda depends
Breaching cross is incredible
While breaching skewer is usually pretty bad unless you have exploding launcher/CSkewer on Guan Yu
lucid oar
Blinding flash is good
Would you turn down +100% from chaos just because you already have 300%
turbid needle
dense trench
hellooo, could i get some help with a aspect of hades spear boon build?
i also have Achilles aspect unlocked if that makes it any easier ^
valid dagger
hellooo, could i get some help with a aspect of hades spear boon build?
Hades aspect has some hammer reliance, you ideally want Exploding Launcher as your first hammer so you can focus on your Special as your main source of damage, Artemis or Aphrodite are preferred, your rotation is gonna be Special > x2 Dash strikes with a spin before approaching waves or between waves so you can apply the debuff on enemies because it’s a massive damage increase, as for your Second hammer you really want Charged Skewer to make the Special even stronger, other options can be fine such as Quick Spin / Massive Spin or Serrated Point if you can control it well, alternatively you can go for a classic Merciful End build, it still follows the same rotation and hammer preference up until you get the dash, then you wont need your Special as much but still should use it often
dense trench
Hades aspect has some hammer reliance, you ideally want Exploding Launcher as yo...
tysm tysm
valid dagger
i also have Achilles aspect unlocked if that makes it any easier ^
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/ here is an Achilles guide by the World record holder and one of the best if not the best Achilles player, speedrunning is the context which is a lot about optimizing damage output and speed, so some builds are not mentioned or not rated as highly because they’re slow etc but you can make a lot of things work on Achilles
dense trench
ahh thank you sm! im a relativly new player only playing for three days, so this helps alot
was told by a friend not too search the internet as its crawling with spoilers, but i need help so i thought id ask here
prisma nebula
my friend wants a shield of chaos build
valid dagger
You can still encounter some spoilers in these channels, #h1-for-new-players is a spoiler free channel
prisma nebula
do i just tell them to go full zeus lmfao
valid dagger
my friend wants a shield of chaos build
Aspect of Chaos?
valid dagger
Yes, Thunder Flourish is the start you want, and along the way you grab Static Discharge, Zeus Aid, Double Strike etc, usually builds that start with Zeus just want a ton more Zeus
prisma nebula
Yes, Thunder Flourish is the start you want, and along the way you grab Static D...
figured. Feels like Zeus is the best pick. If theyre a new player I'm tempted to tell them to go Dio/Aphro
valid dagger
I mean you can kinda get a ton of good supporting stuff from most of the gods so it’s just a matter of knowing what some of the good picks are
Aphro on the attack is strong because you use that a lot and Weak is a very good effect for survivability
Also opens up Smoldering Air
If you have a Call
Dio’s Aid is amazing to get, because you cant expect to get all the Zeus boons ever, atleast not consistently
Alongside Premium Vintage / Strong Drink etc all help with survivability
Chaos Shield damage isn’t the most amazing so you usually want other sources to help you, if your friend has other aspects unlocked maybe they could try them instead
Chaos shield is also level reliant so that eats a lot of Titan blood
prisma nebula
cheers mane
fallen spoke
is it worth trying to get the aphro dio duo boon after tartarus when you dont have aphro?
i geuus so even more whit beo dio
fallen spoke
dude double pom on cast
lucid oar
Aphro dio is low tolerance
proper furnace
But your cast isnt hangover
lucid oar
Not sweet nectar
fallen spoke
opps ssorry my bad still had splash dash so could be possible
havent played for a while
fallen spoke
didnt get it dont have artemis too forgot mirage shot still 800+ casts
and have 3
going to do hader rn
feral night
is the sturdiness hammer on beowulf good
astral moss
whats a good keepsake for zagrues aspect fists?
proper furnace
Plume is fun but you normally start depending on the build (Zeus for lightning strike/Ares for attack inti merciful end as example)
There is also Nyaanyaa guide for dem fists (that also works for other fists)
astral moss
bruh ive got heroric attack speed and zeus attack rn
s p e e d
my attack combo finishes in like a half a second lol
thanks euridice for the sp e e e ed
astral moss
i think the chiron aspect with the bow + than's keepsake is one of my new favorite builds to run
i can just turn my brain off and shoot and gain damage
kinda odd how one of my favorite builds is for a weapon that i hated using at the start of the game
long escarp
Have you tried Hestia
livid echo
Does Jury Summons on net give more coin?
long escarp
Yes
fading nymph
Free heat
livid echo
Probably not the greatest Synergy with Lambient Plume though. Though I just be Asterius and we're already up to 19%.
astral moss
Probably not the greatest Synergy with Lambient Plume though. Though I just be A...
best synergy with the fists tho and that hermes boon lol
50% dodge wooo
worn solar
butterfly kinda ehh for chiron unless youre using hangover but then youd want vial or rose for the duos
long escarp
Well butterfly is completely garbage even for hitless runs but I assume they just like it
astral moss
Well butterfly is completely garbage even for hitless runs but I assume they jus...
specifically i was using it bcuz i figured getting the achievement for 30% from the keepsake, would be easiest on a weapon that targets enemys on its own
long escarp
Yeah Chiron isn’t a bad pick for that
Hestia is definitely best
But Chiron is alright
astral moss
and was longer range than say the sword that takes like 10 years to do its swing
even tho i love arthur aspect
lucid oar
Possibly top 3
No
long escarp
What keepsake am I forgetting
It’s definitely better than Memory and Bracer
But probably about as bad as black shawl
It’s close for sure
livid echo
There's something silly to be said about firing a suite of sawblades from your bow.
strange lark
@vowel cat guy
What
lucid oar
There's something silly to be said about firing a suite of sawblades from your b...
This
strange lark
Oh
Slicing shot hera pogger
Ngl if I used crush shot in that run I would've sub5'd
long escarp
long escarp
Slicing Hera makes me very sad
livid echo
And time to face Hades with all this shenanigans.
livid echo
Beat 'em.
azure marsh
Any builds to win with Guan yu? seems like it's gonna be quite difficult
wild owl
Any builds to win with Guan yu? seems like it's gonna be quite difficult
You basically get 2 shot by hades
errant acorn
Any builds to win with Guan yu? seems like it's gonna be quite difficult
I personally use Massive Spin and Quick Spin and put Dionysus on the attack, Aphrodite on the special, and then Athena dash to keep yourself alive.
I like Low Tolerance a lot, though. Maybe a bit too much.
I guess you could also go for a Killing Freeze build.
proper furnace
#h1-discussion message
There is also Nyaanyaa gy guide
Turns out having exploding launcher built in makes gy special quite good lol
long escarp
I like Low Tolerance a lot, though. Maybe a bit too much.
Low tolerance on Guan Yu? How
What are you applying hangover with
errant acorn
The... spin attack?
errant acorn
The thing that moves forward and hits multiple times?
long escarp
The spin is way to slow to rely on
Guan Yu spin honestly sucks
I don’t suggest using it other than between enemy waves
errant acorn
I mean, maybe if you're trying to speedrun, but the request was for a way to win with it.
long escarp
No no, slow as in you’ll get hit while using it and take more damage than you heal
Slow as in unsafe
GY spin is real bad
You need quick spin for it to pretty much ever be worth using other than between enemy waves
You certainly don’t want to rely on it for your primary damage output
Put a % boon on your special and use that as your primary damage output, and put a % boon on your attack and use dash strikes as well
Special, dash strike, dash strike is a good combo if you don’t have Charged Skewer
Serrated point is also very strong but can be kinda unsafe
If you do get serrated point, remember to do delayed dash strikes for greater control and safety
And don’t use spin attack
untold current
anyone know if you can make vengeful mood with curse of agony, thunder flourish and greater evasion?
untold current
ok i wasn't sure because hermes one triggers when you get hit but not damaged
thanks
long escarp
You can’t dodge unless you’re dodging something. Dodging every 3 seconds doesn’t make any sense
errant acorn
What are good casts for a Merciful End Demeter fists build?
I've been getting good mileage out of Poseidon and Zeus, I guess?
tawny grove
you dont need one
long escarp
Really don’t think about your cast
There may be some casts that could maybe help
But generally you just want to keep your pommables to a minimum
And your damage is coming from doom so you really shouldn’t be casting much anyway
turbid needle
I rarely use cast outside of cast builds which I never use so I just never get a cast
only use it for boiling blood
long escarp
I suggest using casts
Flood shot is amazing for AOE
Electric shot can solo some Tartarus rooms very quickly
Phalanx Shot is amazing in general
It’s great for safety
You can throw a phalanx shot to cover a power shot against a strong enemy
Also has great damage
Good for bosses
Flood and Phalanx are all around very strong
tawny grove
lightning phalanx is always fun
long escarp
Lightning phalanx is nice because any build that uses it doesn’t need it. I use it for Poseidon but it’s nice that phalanx is just good on its own
cunning urchin
What are good casts for a Merciful End Demeter fists build?
If you already have Merciful End, True Shot to unlock Deadly Reversal. Otherwise you don't really want a Cast except at most one that doesn't unlock any Duo Boons with Lady Athena or Lord Ares.
muted vale
Heyo Hades peeps, I don't play Aegis, someone gimme an easy/fun combo with regular aegis? I'm doin a hell mode file and have nothing else unlocked yet >.<
turbid needle
Is aegis the shield? 
long escarp
Do you have the hidden shield yet?
muted vale
Like what the heck do people play this weapon for when gloves are more fun?
valid dagger
Start Artemis attack and try to get Passion Dash and Zeus aid for Smoldering Heartrend pretty much
Charged shot is your best hammer by far
muted vale
What was smoldering heartrend?
valid dagger
Smoldering Air is Aphro Zeus Duo
Heartrend is Artemis Aphro Duo
long escarp
Like what the heck do people play this weapon for when gloves are more fun?
- Charged Shot
- Zeus shield is nuts
- Beowulf shield is even more nuts
muted vale
I don't have Zeus or Beowulf yet, it's a new file
long escarp
You can easily do over a thousand damage at a time with Beowulf
I know, I’m just saying that’s why people use it
muted vale
What's the aphro/Zeus do?
valid dagger
Fill your call automatically but it's capped at 25%
long escarp
Heart rend is good on Rama wym
valid dagger
Heartrend is overkill on Rama
long escarp
But yeah it’s not amazing. Generally not worth it but sometimes it comes up
muted vale
Heartrend and twin shot
long escarp
Nice for bosses but not very good for room clear
muted vale
Or even triple
long escarp
Heartrend and twin shot
Well yeah every single Rama build wants twin or triple
Those are the best Rama hammers by far
errant narwhal
i dont remember what boons i used on zag shield but i used it a bunch, i like the pulverizing blow hammer though
muted vale
I've even had a good heartrend Rama run with explosive
strange lark
Explosive 
long escarp
Zag shield = aspect of charged shot
muted vale
What do you get on special?
Maybe Ares or Dionysius?
Idk
Just like an extra bit of damage from them?
muted vale
That's exactly what I was thinking, but wanted to make sure
turbid needle
It’s alright if you have doom but nothing special
muted vale
I want aphro and Zeus and it keeps giving me Poseidon when I don't have rolls yet..... X3
And Demeter! What the heck >.<
Oop, charged shot pog
proper furnace
You dont have their keepsakes?
muted vale
This it a hell run that I've only done like 20 or so runs on, nope
.> Though I probably coulda been prioritizing them
long escarp
Unfortunately true
muted vale
Should I get attack, special or cast from artemis in the first area for Poseidon stigius?
Cast?
I'm trying to do a run with whatever that boon is that damages when casts leave the enemies >.< I sound uneducated in Hades boons now....
I'd think like Artemis attack or cast and go for maybe aphro special for the damage?
muted vale
Yesssss
I got flurry cursed and shadow from the hammer. I'm thinking flurry and go for support fire and Hermes attack speed?
strange lark
you dont need iframes if you get cursed slash with it
long escarp
Cringe
valid dagger
facetank everything like real gamers do
fading nymph
Fellow potato
turbid needle
the question you should be asking is what hammers 
deep zenith
what hammers do I use for guan yu then
turbid needle
charged skewer
deep zenith
so my main damage will be my special?
deep zenith
it doesnt feel bad, this weapon
valid dagger
If you get the hammer it’s pretty nice
nimble plank
Hi guys, haven't played hades in a while, any new combos discovered/added in the past year?
valid dagger
Hi guys, haven't played hades in a while, any new combos discovered/added in the...
What exactly are you looking for
nimble plank
What do you mean?
valid dagger
A lot of stuff has been discovered but there isn't a place where all of it is compiled so you'd have to ask for more specific stuff like certain builds etc, and the context of speedrunning or high heat also matters a lot
nimble plank
Actually yeah that was kind of a stupid question, I'll just lurk around the chat to see what changed.
valid dagger
If you're interested you can join the speedrunning discord where almost all of this stuff is discovered and discussed nowadays, link is pinned in #self-promotion
cyan saddle
aspect of hera + slicing shot + hunting blades + double shot + rapid shot + frost strike = broken
strange lark
slicing shot hera
cyan saddle
slicing shot hera
strange lark
ok
long escarp
Define broken
Also by double shot do you mean twin shot or mirage shot
Not that it really makes a difference
shell sleet
slicing shot hera <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
isn't that your hera pb
or am I thinking of someone else
strange lark
maybe
shell sleet
strange lark
just because i pb'd with it doesnt mean its good
cyan saddle
Also by double shot do you mean twin shot or mirage shot
twin
and it does make a diff, as twin means 2 stacks of chill, while mirage means my cast has another, weaker projectile
long escarp
It doesn’t make difference because the build is abysmal either way
strange lark
slicing shot isnt as bad as you think it is
long escarp
It’s slicing shot Hera
strange lark
but it is still pretty ass
the early game is so bad
the blade rifts just fly away
long escarp
I mean it’s probably worse than just shackle, no?
strange lark
nah
in my run i got lucky and got hunting blades by aspho midboss
but if you dont have that then you will deal no damage
and my meg fight was also very lucky
she dashed against a wall which allowed the blade rifts to bounce and deal more damage to her
long escarp
Even with hunting blades, you’d be better off having that build on literally any other aspect beside Beo, wouldn’t you?
strange lark
if she didnt do that then the fight wouldve been a min long
strange lark
Even with hunting blades, you’d be better off having that build on literally any...
yeah
long escarp
Like I’d rather have HB Gilga than HB Hera
strange lark
i would go so far as to say gilga but yeah
wild owl
slicing shot hera <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
LMFAO that’s one build I’ve never heard of
strange lark
how have you never heard of it if its so good
wild owl
how have you never heard of it if its so good <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Ah yes so amazing
cyan saddle
Like I’d rather have HB Gilga than HB Hera
im tryna do a blade dash hb gilga build rn
proper furnace
Hunting blades dont affect dash btw
cyan saddle
Hunting blades dont affect dash btw
does it not? i thought it did
proper furnace
It specifically says "your cast"
cyan saddle
ooh ok
also the duo boon between demeter and ares is good for locking them in the homing cast
long escarp
What
Freezing Vortex sucks
Also FV is also only for your cast and doesn’t apply to the dash btw
cyan saddle
"for locking them in the homing cast" i was referring to slicing shot hrea
cyan saddle
nah its based
long escarp
Those are separate arguments
turbid needle
long escarp
You can think it’s based and it also still be completely terrible
And
Freezing Vortex only makes it worse
cyan saddle
how?
long escarp
Just take hunting blades
Hunting Blades > Base Slicing Shot > Freezing Vortex
Except the last two both do no damage anyway so there’s not a big difference
Slicing Shot Hera is so insanely bad lmao
cyan saddle
bruh, all 3 casts loaded into one shot with base slicing destroys enemies at the beginning, and it becomes more powerful with chaos and hb
long escarp
Once you have hunting blades the damage is probably alright because it’s hunting blades
lucid oar
It makes the cast smaller : (
long escarp
But without it, it’s genuinely painfully bad
cyan saddle
"the damage is probably alright" bruh it melts lernie
long escarp
And even with hunting blades, Hera is a very bad hunting blades weapon
long escarp
"the damage is probably alright" bruh it melts lernie
EVERYTHING MELTS LERNIE
lucid oar
A lot of things melt lernie
long escarp
That is such a low bar
cyan saddle
i had no idea
cyan saddle
have you ever tried a good build
every build with a half-decent dps is good
long escarp
Bruh I melt Lernie in fresh file
long escarp
every build with a half-decent dps is good <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I mean actually good
Like very good
cyan saddle
plus, gilgamesh with merciful end and divine dash
long escarp
You’re trolling
cyan saddle
nah, is busted
cyan saddle
cracks neck
lucid oar
Try spamming Demeter dashes vs Gilgamesh dashes
And then try doing 1000 damage with Gilgamesh special
cyan saddle
i mean, hold 2 buttons to destroy bosses and take no damage
and have a proc of merciful end on EVERY dash attack, which is 90% of the damage
cyan saddle
i use controller
long escarp
Merciful end works better on all 3 other fist aspects
And 3/4 swords and all 4 spears and Zeus shield
cyan saddle
alright fine, whats a good build
cyan saddle
achilles and hera
long escarp
Ok Hera with crush shot
lucid oar
And poms
long escarp
If you have hunting blades so much, why do you do it on Hera and not Achilles
When you would do 2.5x as much damage if you did it on Achilles
lucid oar
Achilles gives you +150% extra cast damage
cyan saddle
If you have hunting blades so much, why do you do it on Hera and not Achilles
cause loading the bloodstones
lucid oar
1 Achilles cast will do almost the same as 3 hera casts
long escarp
Just get flurry cast
cyan saddle
i rarely get it tho
long escarp
Rarely get what, hunting blades? With proper rerolls I can consistently get it 9 out of 10 runs
lucid oar
You don’t need flurry cast
cyan saddle
and i prefer braindead builds over actually strataguising
long escarp
Yeah flurry cast is optional but if you think it’s so slow
cyan saddle
so i rarely aim for it
long escarp
and i prefer braindead builds over actually strataguising
Do you not understand +150% damage
It’s literally the exact same build that you do on Hera, just on a different weapon for so much more damage
cyan saddle
aight, ill play tomorrow
long escarp
Hera hunting blades is just a slower version of Achilles hunting blades that also does less than half a much damage
cyan saddle
plus i havent upgraded achilles much
robust warren
do Olympian keepsakes only work for one biome or the whole run ?
proper furnace
Rarity works for qll the boons of that god
The "first boon is X god" only works once
You can see a little "1" under it to see if the charge has been used or not
robust warren
ahhh thanks
shell sleet
And 3/4 swords and all 4 spears and Zeus shield
lucid oar
Gy and hades are the best ME spears tho
valid dagger
Yes
lucid oar
Gy has a sub 6
valid dagger
Guan Yu is one of the best ME aspects as a whole
lucid oar
Hades has a low 6
robust warren
whats ME
valid dagger
Merciful End
long escarp
Guan Yu is one of the best ME aspects as a whole
Why is that though
lucid oar
Very strong duo
long escarp
Makes sense
long escarp
long escarp
It’s funny because ME Hestia is probably still better than ME Gilgamesh for heat as long as you just play it like regular Hestia
shell sleet
exploding launcher ig
but you can get that on zagspear too
shell sleet
the spin is also good
is it really
strange lark
yeah
it one shots most enemies in tart
and has big aoe
and the debuff is good on bosses
shell sleet
doesnt the debuff only affect the actual attack and special
aka not the actual damage of ME build
long escarp
Most aspects are really good when you have ME, the best ME aspects are good before you get ME
But Gilgamesh isn’t even great when it has ME because it’s Gilga
past mist
this is an insane run so far
beowulf charged flight heartbreak flourish 210% and paupers flourish 56%
on chamber 18 (third chamber of asphodel
long escarp
Charged Flight
past mist
my special deals ~580 damage
long escarp
BEOWULF
Charged Flight
past mist
whats wrong with charged flight?
long escarp
It’s just not very good
It’s not awful
On Beo at least
It’s insanely bad on zag shield
But just using your attack and cast is so much better than trying to make a special build work
past mist
But just using your attack and cast is so much better than trying to make a spec...
well either way i got a special that instakills most enemies
long escarp
That does sound pretty fun
I’ll use charged flight for my hitless Beowulf run if I ever attempt one (I won’t)
Since hitless can’t block
past mist
ah
unholy you seem like you know your stuff
aphrodite has the highest attack buff right?
cuz ive been using her boons for that mainly but i wanna make sure if theres a more efficient way
feral night
yes
long escarp
aphrodite has the highest attack buff right?
She has the biggest %, yes
There are situations where other gods are better though
past mist
yeah obv but usually i prefer her on rapid weapons like the fists or the rail
past mist
wouldnt dionysus stack work for that tho?
so should aphrodite be for infrequent attacks?
long escarp
wouldnt dionysus stack work for that tho?
Yeah but lightning > hangover
long escarp
so should aphrodite be for infrequent attacks?
Exactly
past mist
gotcha
random question for anyone who knows, does the amount of tier 1 boons you have from a god affect their duo drop rate?
long escarp
As a general rule:
• High base damage with slow attacks, such as Rama attack, Arthur attack, Guan Yu special: Aphrodite.
• Medium base damage with relatively fast attacks, such as Spread Fire rail, Flurry Jab spear, Sword attack (situational), Chiron special; or attacks with a high non-base +% built in, specifically Beowulf attack (and maybe others that I’m forgetting): Artemis
• Fast attacks with low base damage, such as rail attack, fists attack, Zeus shield special: Zeus
The reason slow weapons especially want Aphrodite over Artemis is because of breakpoints
You want your attacks to consistently one-shot or two-shot enemies
A crit is overkill against most regular enemies on something with such high base damage anyway
long escarp
random question for anyone who knows, does the amount of tier 1 boons you have f...
Not directly
But having your core slots filled means that you will no longer be offered a core boon which raises the odds of duos (I believe)
Same goes for priority tier 2 boons such as Static Discharge or Razor Shoals
past mist
But having your core slots filled means that you will no longer be offered a cor...
nice thanks mate
long escarp
👍
livid echo
Where was that pin with the suggested Titan bloods?
cunning urchin
Where was that pin with the suggested Titan bloods?
It's not pinned anywhere. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png
But if you just search for "aspect guide" or "aspect leveling" or something, it should pop up in search.
long escarp
Chaos being in the same tier as zag rail feels wrong
tawny grove
why do you hate chaos so much
gusty rapids
well tbf the above thing is for new players and if ur just looking for clears, chaos is very safe
long escarp
True but you’d be much better off with any other shield
gusty rapids
not necessarily, a lot of ppl get their first / early clears on chaos
tawny grove
i got mine with zeus and god i had no idea how to use that thing
gusty rapids
its only pretty bad once u start pushing it for speed or heat
long escarp
Idk I still found it to be pretty underwhelming when I was playing casually. Probably on the tier of zag spear/sword
But whatever, doesn’t really matter
cunning urchin
It's a shield.
wild owl
True but you’d be much better off with any other shield
Yep beo exists
Big hits
Big flare damage
Chonk
frosty tusk
Beo is goated
shell sleet
Idk I still found it to be pretty underwhelming when I was playing casually. Pro...
i got my first clear with it 🤷♂️
if you dont actually know how to play zag shield (aka cshot) then chaos is probably safer for a new player to use
turbid needle
zeus attack>storm lightning>splitting bolt+static discharge
or merciful end
and then just don't get hit
turbid needle
if you decide you wanna get hit take aphro on special to lessen the damage
worldly stream
Ok. Are things like Aphro not viable for main attack on fists?
It’s basically carried me to heat 12
valid dagger
Ok. Are things like Aphro not viable for main attack on fists?
The base damage is low so it’s not worth trying to make it higher with something like Aphro unless you’re meming / playing Heavy Knuckle
worldly stream
Ok. Apart from the hammer which gives you 900% more armour damage for dash strikes, which other hammer should I take
valid dagger
Long Knuckle is good
unreal tree
Em4 fists more like
Don't
You're not only picking a melee weapon to fight em4 with, you're fighting with like the 2rd or 3rd worst aspect
long escarp
Yeah EM4 fists is extremely miserable and arguably unfair
cyan saddle
crush shot hera is cringe
long escarp
How
cyan saddle
using it rn, not great against hades, and i have a skelly based dd left
long escarp
It’s very good though
Literally has anyheat speedrun world record for both modded and unmodded
lucid oar
It’s very good with quick reload
What level is your hera bow
What level is your cast
cyan saddle
level 4 cast, epic rare hera
lucid oar
Yeah you ideally want level 6/7
cyan saddle
i honestly prefer slicing shot
valid dagger
cyan saddle
cause hunting blades slicing shot hera destroys hades
lucid oar
Did you have snow burst
cyan saddle
yes
lucid oar
What hammers
cyan saddle
flurry cast, sniper shot and percing shot
lucid oar
Piercing?
cyan saddle
yes, i missspelled
cyan saddle
i got it out of a cursed anvil
cyan saddle
yeah, imma do another slicing shot hera
long escarp
Slicing shot Hera is great because it does terrible damage in Tartarus but with the right boons you can upgrade it all the way up to doing below average damage at Hades
cyan saddle
idc
long escarp
It’s funny because the exact same build on Achilles absolutely shreds and is easier to control your casts
spiral willow
Does Atk speed% work on Lucifer tick rate or starting time
long escarp
Definitely tick speed, probably not start time (but it’s possible; I’m not certain)
long escarp
What’s the other choice
Attack speed is generally mediocre on Lucifer, but it’s not terrible
spiral willow
All is epic: Side hustle, Hyper sprint, Side hustle
long escarp
Yooo
I was about to ask if this was your first Hermes boon of the run because of RD
That’s hype
spiral willow
I got RD later
long escarp
Yeah
wild owl
Good run damn
long escarp
So side hustle might be overpowered
Nah it’s the opposite
spiral willow
I'm still running
spiral willow
Lost 2 DD to Charon tho
wild owl
When you have extremely dubious luck
long escarp
Sounds like Lucifer
Lucifer does pretty good damage but the downside is that it’s very hard to get i-frames
Since you lose invincibility on your dash if you’re holding attack
long escarp
But the attack has the long startup so you can’t really afford to release and re-press it constantly
valid dagger
Divine Dash is very good yea
cyan saddle
just beat hades with 2 hp left with slicing shot hera
wild owl
just beat hades with 2 hp left with slicing shot hera
That’s slicing shot for you
cyan saddle
Sounds like Lucifer
which one is lucifer?
long escarp
Hidden rail
feral night
gilgamesh works with a lot of things
cyan saddle
i feel like merciful end is good on it
feral night
merciful end is the best one, but you can go divine strike, deadly strike w/ mark, pash dash, and heart rend, drunken strike w/ all the dio duos, heartbreak strike, and a pure tidal dash run if you want to unbind attack and special
(do not use dashupper it is very bad)
cyan saddle
imma go merciful end
cyan saddle
just remember to turn on ruthless reflex
what?
feral night
on the mirror
cyan saddle
ooh yeah
feral night
the double dash switches into ruthless reflex, which gives you a single dash but gives you +50% damage/dodge after a near miss
and since you already have +2 dashes you'll be fine
cyan saddle
shadow or fiery prescence
proper furnace
Fiery so your dash strike can kill a numbskull
valid dagger
cyan saddle
i use fiery anyway
shell sleet
good build for gilgamesh?
step 1: go to fists in the courtyard and choose demeter instead
long escarp
i feel like merciful end is good on it
ME or Tidal Dash
valid dagger
gilga is super easy to get backstabs on
It's still not worth it
long escarp
Did you not know that?
feral night
yeah it has a rapid-dash thing
cyan saddle
It's still not worth it
i thought you said me was bad on gilga
wild owl
Did you not know that?
No I never use fists
valid dagger
i thought you said me was bad on gilga
I didn't?
long escarp
i thought you said me was bad on gilga
ME is great on Gilga. Gilga with ME isn’t all around amazing, but ME is definitely the strongest Gilga build
feral night
It's still not worth it
how tho, +50% damage on something like deadly strike is super good
valid dagger
Why would you go Deadly strike to begin with
ocean tapir
Ouch
long escarp
That’s a 35 minute run
feral night
...no?
long escarp
Just 30?
valid dagger
Well it's not but it's quite awful compared to other options you can go for
feral night
heart rend + pash dash on gilga is really good
shell sleet
long escarp
I got 16 minutes dash only with EM4
long escarp
heart rend + pash dash on gilga is really good
Uh define “really good”
feral night
congratulations
long escarp
If by really good you mean you like it, then sure
feral night
Uh define “really good”
i enjoy playing it and it can win me runs somewhat easily at ~20 heat
long escarp
Ok so literally anything can do that
feral night
yeah but i'm bad at this game
long escarp
I would call heart rend Gilgamesh literally one of the worst builds in the entire game
I’d rather play slicing flare Beo
feral night
feral night
I’d rather play slicing flare Beo
yeah but i'd rather play heart rend gilga