no wait, I went for sea storm that one LOL
#h1-builds-and-combat
tranquil lion
hmm I want to link the more recent run, but then it was the 1 run where my OBS was stuttering
worn solar
they probably dont have zag shield maxed yet tbh
tranquil lion
then you might as well try for sea storm
so for sea storm, you want poseidon dash and cast
poseidon dash doesn't count as a pre-requisite for sea storm, so you also want his cast
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/908488438397947904/unknown.png here's an example ig
thunder flourish with jolted and explosive return does pretty good till you get seastorm
tranquil lion
you want zeus on literally any part of your main 4 boons that's not cast or dash
tranquil lion
zeus on special or call is best tho cuz that automagically unlocks the requirements for stuff like double strike and afterwards, the zeus legendary
worn solar
zeus is good for anything with low base damage
tranquil lion
your attack could technically be any god's attack
strong cipher
I get demeter cast until now
And what chaos boons could be good
?
Omg zeus is in front of me ok I'll try to get the special
worn solar
demeter cast is pretty meh on its own till you get artemis and their duo. unless you have the aspect upgraded then your base damage isnt really notable enough to care about chaos increases. gold, health, and rarity increases are always nice. upgraded zag shield like attack/dashstrike damage
tranquil lion
when you go for a zeus/poseidon build like this, you're gonna be spending the later part of the run spamming the attack and dash buttons at the enemy
like full unga bunga on them
strong cipher
Ok I got zeus special
tranquil lion
how far are you in the run?
strong cipher
I want sea storm or?
strong cipher
I don't know if I want it
tranquil lion
the shield's basic attack has natural knockback
that means it
will trigger sea storm no matter what god's boon you put on it
(unless you grab a pulverizing blow daedalus hammer later)
notice the wording on Sea Storm: it states any knockback effect will also zap the enemy with lightning
doesn't need to be a poseidon based knockback 👀
tranquil lion
put it on imgur
turbid needle
nop have to link it
tranquil lion
how confident are you in avoiding traps?
I would personally grab holy shield but right now, your god pool is probably gonna be too difficult to roll for something like sea storm at this rate
strong cipher
normal, i always put a feet in lava actually
strong cipher
how far are you in the run?
Chamber 12
tranquil lion
in case you dont know, normally in a single run, once you grab an olympian god's boon, that god gets added to a "pool"
and once that pool fills up with 4 different olympian gods, no more new olympian gods will show up for the run unless you force it with a keepsake
hermes and chaos are exceptions to this rule and show up regardless
tranquil lion
so my point is that when you're going for a super specific strategy like trying to force Sea Storm
it's usually a good idea to do your best to avoid grabbing other god boons that don't fit into the strategy unless you're forced to
cuz zeus and poseidon already take up 2 of those 4 slots in the pool-- so you only really have room for 2 more
tranquil lion
so how many different gods have you gotten boons from so far this run?
just zeus and athena?
tranquil lion
did you equip poseidon's keepsake going into asphodel?
strong cipher
I don't have it hehehe I'll try to not get other gods and pray to encounter him
strong cipher
if you see him, give him some nectar too in that case
i will this is a new file Its my 7th run my first win was the 6th run
tranquil lion
lol since you're still relatively new, I would just grab 3 for the completionist
the scroll icon on the left side
strong cipher
ok i wil
tranquil lion
means that you still need to grab that upgrade once in order for it to register in the fated list
cinder stratus
imagine beginning a soft run, at an already cleared heat level, to farm prophecies (poseidon boons in my case) and darkness (for the mirror and chaos unlock)
ending without dropping the boon needed and with a new record
boreal zinc
Hi all! New to discord, can I ask my newbie speedrunning question here or is there another section for it?
shell sleet
Hi all! New to discord, can I ask my newbie speedrunning question here or is the...
here is fine
valid dagger
You can ask here yea, there is also the speedrunning discord pinned in #self-promotion
cunning urchin
boreal zinc
I'll ask here because I'm afraid of new things 😄 Do you all focus on one weapon at a time? All my times are pretty stale so I was wondering if focusing on one weapon would get me through the plateau
cunning urchin
I just play whatever I feel like playing.
So long as you actively try to find your mistakes and optimize your decisions etc. instead of just going through the motions, you should be fine.
valid dagger
If I'm grinding pbs I like focusing on one weapon at a time
cunning urchin
What are your times now anyway?
boreal zinc
8:50 is my pb with Eris and 9:15 with Demeter. Others are around 10. I just modded the game but the times haven't improved that much. Times I mentioned are unmodded.
valid dagger
8:50 is my pb with Eris and 9:15 with Demeter. Others are around 10. I just modd...
You’re going for the usual builds on those 2 yea?
cunning urchin
I think pushing for sub 10 all aspects would be a decent next step.
polar python
I still don't get people can get sub 10 with any regularity. I'm on pS4 and I just can't get the combos in fast enough. Is speed running largely limited to kbm?
proper furnace
Some people are also just extremely good
polar python
Also that
shell sleet
kbm first boon nerf :[
shell sleet
It doesnt have dash
what.
dense basin
Mouse snd keyboard is good too - better aiming
polar python
I mean I have got hundreds of hours in the game but my fastest time (even with pausing menus etc.) it's still only 16 minutes or so.
shell sleet
oops
proper furnace
Wmic is amazing lol
shell sleet
how the hell do you get 5:25 with no splash dash
polar python
Wait, 57 clears only on rail?!
valid dagger
That's just because of save wiping
shell sleet
is second hammer even cluster on that
i dont remember what the cluster icon looks like
wild jasper
What summons do ya'll normally use?
analog cove
Bouldy if I’m not doing something I think I’ll lose on a antos Meg or mort depending on difficulty
grand brook
Bouldy if I’m not doing something I think I’ll lose on a antos Meg or mort depen...
when do you use mort? I never used him
outer rose
I use Mort all the timne
but I have an idea for loadouts
Dyonisus good for gloves
paired with support fire
proper furnace
Drunken fists good ye
outer rose
with the bow artemis attack and dyonisus special
especailly with the Rama bow since you can hold down the special there
easily stack hangover
cunning urchin
If you're doing Drunken Strike on Malphon, you'll want to look for Trippy Shot (to unlock Black Out) and Passion Dash (to unlock Low Tolerance). And pom all three.
proper furnace
Isnt heartbreak flourish good enough for low tol or too slow of weak application
cunning urchin
You mainly use your Special on Malphon to finish off enemies.
And you can still get Heartbreak Flourish if you have Passion Dash for the big damage. But you also leave that open for Deadly Flourish to maybe get Heart Rend. That's assuming Demeter Aspect.
On Zag Fists and Talos, your Special doesn't really matter too much.
cinder stratus
how's demeter cast? yay o nay?
zealous spoke
It melts bosses pretty hard in my experience
valid dagger
On a cast aspect with Crystal Clarity it's solid
Anything other than that is average at best
zealous spoke
And combining it with Icy Glare, the one that makes it last longer and apply Chill, and Arctic Blast probably shreds even more
cinder stratus
my problem with it is simpli you MUST have artemis duo
to use it properly
hit a fury more then 3 4 times with it it's a miracle
or she isn't dashing
zealous spoke
Most bosses don't really move that much, though
In my experience it's worked pretty well
But I guess there are probably better ways to use Cast if you don't have the artemis duo
Hrm
cinder stratus
haven't test it yet but... how does it work with Hera's aspect?
cunning urchin
Crystal beam is pretty garbage without Crystal Clarity or Cold Embrace.
zealous spoke
Nothing different, at least
zealous spoke
And combining it with Icy Glare, the one that makes it last longer and apply Chi...
@cunning urchin Even this?
cunning urchin
I guess it'll be garbage+1.
valid dagger
Yes 
zealous spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder stratus
hermes in tartarus? y/n
alternatives?
turbid needle
alternatives?
is it situational? right meow the alternative is dio, on my dio rama build
zealous spoke
And you might want to wait to have a Call so that you can get Quick Favor
But Greatest Reflex is pretty nice
valid dagger
And you might want to wait to have a Call so that you can get Quick Favor
Ah yes the worst hermes boon
cinder stratus
imho if you still need key boons, go for dio
zealous spoke
is it situational? right meow the alternative is dio, on my dio rama build
Hermes has, what, three really good boons? Then the rest are bad
Three might be an overstatement
But Greatest Reflex is really nice
Also, Hermes still spawns even if you've already picked 4 gods, right?
turbid needle
im like 20 woolongs shy of being able to buy both 😦
cunning urchin
No reason to skip Lord Hermes.
valid dagger
Also, Hermes still spawns even if you've already picked 4 gods, right?
Yup
cunning urchin
Hermes has, what, three really good boons? Then the rest are bad
He has plenty of decent boons and some broken combos. 
zealous spoke
Ah yes the worst hermes boon
Idk, getting Call charge is pretty good, right?
Especially if your other choice is Flurry Cast or something
valid dagger
The recharge rate on that boon is garbage
zealous spoke
He has plenty of decent boons and some broken combos. <:thanthink:66924600414253...
So far my experience on this server is saying literally anything and getting countered by more experienced players
Conclusion: stop saying anything
cinder stratus
spam that special
cinder stratus
greatest reflex, hyper sprint, rush delivery are always good
atk/special/cast/other speed are situational
zealous spoke
greatest reflex, hyper sprint, rush delivery are always good
Ye
Is Rush Delivery the legendary?
I have yet to try that one
valid dagger
Well if your advice is accurate it wont get countered by anyone
valid dagger
Is Rush Delivery the legendary?
It's not
cinder stratus
once i got, on a gilgamesh run
rush dev and hyper sprint
and also the heal on dodge
worn solar
epic quick favor is nice smh
zealous spoke
Oh yeah
Epic Greatest Reflex is the best
5 dashes
I still managed to lose the run because my dps was awful lmao
cinder stratus
heroic greatest reflex on gilgamesh 
zealous spoke
Does anyone use Ruthless Reflex?
cunning urchin
Heroic Greatest Reflex on anything not Gilgamesh. 
unreal tree
Monodash gaming
cunning urchin
Ruthless Reflex is a great pick on Gilgamesh.
Otherwise... it can be decent on Zag Fists and Excalibur.
For big eHP.
zealous spoke
Now here's the thing
I have no idea what Gilgamesh is
I'm starting to think that I should probably just play more of the game before talking here
zealous spoke
You have just as much nectar as coins wtf
turbid needle
pog
cinder stratus
gives you 3 dashes and... many other things
cunning urchin
#h1-for-new-players is generally free of spoilers.
valid dagger
If you can guarantee selling something you dont need you can reroll it
turbid needle
its either athena dash or bad influence
im thinkin i just toss athena and grab it again, or get arty dash
cunning urchin
@turbid needle what aspect is that?
turbid needle
rama
cunning urchin
Yeah.
worn solar
swift flourish pretty easy sell
turbid needle
is special speed overkill?
lucid oar
Yep
cinder stratus
really?
lucid oar
Most damage will come from hangover
turbid needle
do i get 2 more hermes guranteed then or does this count for 1?
cinder stratus
though it was a must on rama
lucid oar
The base special does no DPS
worn solar
far from it
worn solar
most of your damage is from your attack
turbid needle
oh well
cinder stratus
oh ok so, it is good if you buff the special with some procs
worn solar
you special once or twice then powershot things
turbid needle
i also have a chaos buff... +83% dash strike dmg
cinder stratus
of fixed damage
turbid needle
which makes selling athena and getting arty kinda seem worth
lucid oar
Nah just get arti attack
cunning urchin
No.
turbid needle
ah okay
worn solar
just sell swift flourish
lucid oar
Arti attack will be so much damage
turbid needle
should i take arty's keepsake?
proven osprey
what if you don't get arty
lucid oar
cri 
cunning urchin
Divine Dash unlocks DDs, too. Way too much value.
turbid needle
oh yeah true
worn solar
having athena dash will mean you can get last stand yeah
turbid needle
bye felicia
valid dagger
cunning urchin
What's your god pool now?
turbid needle
dio athena
cunning urchin
And you're entering Elysium?
turbid needle
mp. ashpodel
lucid oar
With td2
cunning urchin
Ah.
turbid needle
ash-podel 
proven osprey
arty in aspho would be good
cunning urchin
I just saw timer and thought Asphodel.
worn solar
td2 44 heat 
lucid oar
What’s your hammer
turbid needle
twin strike
lucid oar
Ooh nice
proven osprey
pogu
lucid oar
Take arti then hehhe
worn solar
i think your build is already complete
valid dagger
force demeter for rare crop
turbid needle
yeah i cursed my luck on like 5 runs yesterday and today the gods answer my pleas
cunning urchin
I like Shackle or 
lucid oar
I like Shackle or <:courte5EternalRose:851568354535800882>
But muh multiplicative damage with loads of additive damage
worn solar
weak stonks
cinder stratus
I like Shackle or <:courte5EternalRose:851568354535800882>
aphro-party member?
it seems you put Aphrodite everywhere 
proven osprey
yeah there might be something like that
cunning urchin
I don't put her anywhere, she's always with me. 
proven osprey
it's good in the way that you're kinda set with one boon
lucid oar
like just in general
-1 crocodile point
turbid needle
screw arty
proven osprey
arty is better
cinder stratus
well imho it's one of the few god(esse)s with an affix both offensive and defensive
lucid oar
Yeah arti will be way more damage
cinder stratus
you deal TONS of %damage bonus and at the same time you take less damage
turbid needle
dio has me feeling ok on dmg
cinder stratus
Yeah arti will be way more damage
I think I hate artemis
lucid oar
Why
lucid oar
Yeah you should reset chambers for 100% crit rate 😊
cunning urchin
Yeah arti will be way more damage
"Way more" is way overstated.
lucid oar
With twin shot it’s not too big of a deal, you’re quite likely to get a crit
cinder stratus
btw, the fastest way to reset and next run?
turbid needle
is pom'ing hangover any good?
lucid oar
Yeah
turbid needle
+1 seems kinda meh
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike has Weak, Low Tolerance, better pom scaling.
Hangover poms are always good.
worn solar
idk. artemis is pretty good on rama 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/920797982566256660/Hades_12_15_2021_2_00_37_PM.png
lucid oar
+1 seems kinda meh
I’d take +1 dash 👀
valid dagger
ban him fast
proven osprey
lmao that build
valid dagger
how much did your special peak
lucid oar
4
proven osprey
4!
valid dagger
unreal tree
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
cunning urchin
idk. artemis is pretty good on rama <:squirtnya:472124054644457472> https://medi...
Standard Rama build with Lady Aphrodite and Lady Artemis. I like it.
proven osprey
oh god
valid dagger
lmao
lucid oar
4! still kinda low
valid dagger
not this again
lucid oar
Look at my only Rama speedrun on YouTube 
proven osprey
oh if it's the Toffel one I have
worn solar
i have almost +400% special damage here
proven osprey
Read it again, it's excellent
cinder stratus
400% of 15 is like, 60
turbid needle
dump all my poms into hangover or throw a few into bad influence?
proven osprey
that's pretty good tbh
turbid needle
20% gains seems nice
lucid oar
aint it 10 base damage
5
worn solar
actually that might be closer
cunning urchin
dump all my poms into hangover or throw a few into bad influence?
Hangover.
worn solar
25 damage an arrow 
proven osprey
that's pretty good tbh
cunning urchin
Bad Influence won't do much at all in boss fights.
It's a decent boon, but you benefit more from pomming Hangover.
lucid oar
Pom divine dash
turbid needle
ah ok
this rama bow seems silly
things are just dying off sccreen
before i ever see them
proven osprey
oh god they went special only
cinder stratus
btw, I don't know how to make chiron work, seems like you're forced to have +arrows on special and special speed
proven osprey
rip, another one lost
lucid oar
btw, I don't know how to make chiron work, seems like you're forced to have +arr...
Concentrated volley is the best hammer
worn solar
7 arrows is 175 damage a volley, crit adds an average of 70 damage
cinder stratus
while with rama, you just need zeus special to be at least good
turbid needle
are trial of the god rooms skipped at higher heats?
proven osprey
Yeah Chiron is weaker, it lacks aoe
cunning urchin
Basically.
cinder stratus
Concentrated volley is the best hammer
maybe when chiron is capped with bloods
not before
proven osprey
are trial of the god rooms skipped at higher heats?
It's insane value so if you have time it's prolly good. Depends on the biome/your build and the level of emotional attachment you have with your run
turbid needle
cunning urchin
I generally don't skip trials unless the timer is low or there's a better option.
turbid needle
that skull is intimidating
cunning urchin
proven osprey
yeah but you can betray athena at the cost of nothing
turbid needle
but the chance for a DD
proven osprey
however there's a shop
turbid needle
lol
worn solar
tbh you have td2
cunning urchin
And always pick first.
worn solar
i totally dont always do aphro trial
hoary slate
Always take midshop, never take endshop, maximise useless obols
cinder stratus
once i did an aphro trial in elysium, with athena dash
turbid needle
dear lord that took a long time
cinder stratus
and my dash wasn't repelling the aphrodite kiss
cunning urchin
once i did an aphro trial in elysium, with athena dash
Heretic.
cinder stratus
worn solar
hm really? dashing directly into the heart gets rid of it. unless you were doing some weird angle
languid oyster
I need help, I have max level Chiron bow, do I get relentless volley or concentrated volley
cunning urchin
Concentrated.
cunning urchin
Maybe y'all heretics.
cunning urchin
worn solar
concentrated is far better
turbid needle
so i have athenas dash and her DD thing, am i done with her?
i guess her call is nice
worn solar
well you can get another or her call
worn solar
last stand pretty stonks
languid oyster
I just did a health internal trove with 74/75 health 
cunning urchin
Get another DD, maybe Call, maybe Brilliant Riposte (to unlock legendary). Sure Footing very nice, too.
turbid needle
in that order?
cunning urchin
I guess Sure Footing over Brilliant Riposte.
turbid needle
ugh i need to lose my first SD for the extra one to work dont i
reeeee
bronze skin it is
cinder stratus
does zeus special have an internal CD on bows?
worn solar
ye
lucid oar
Looks cool tho 😎
cinder stratus
with 4 arrows, concentrated does +24 damage altered with the special % damage, with capped arrows concentrated does +110 damage altered with special % damage
relentless volles does +40 damage always altered by special % damage or adding procs of zeus
so, if you just unlocked chiron, go for relentless, else go for concentrated
turbid needle
ugh mystery box boon
do i really want my 4th god to be mystery box
but the myserty box could be anything.... it could even be another boat
cinder stratus
do it
turbid needle
cunning urchin
Perfect. It's a Lady Aphrodite boon.
turbid needle
cunning urchin
Lord Dionysus's best boon.
turbid needle
haha nyaa you might have a problem
proper furnace
Lord Dionysus's best boon.
But thats not peer pressure
cinder stratus
any gods' best boon is their aphrodite duo boon
proper furnace
Empty inside is the most exciting boon in hades
When cast is my only weak source
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite told me she loves me. Your words can't hurt me. m her high priestess, after all.
cinder stratus
unless you're aphrodite
lucid oar
any gods' best boon is their aphrodite duo boon
Ares
cinder stratus
then every boon is the best boon
cunning urchin
@cinder stratus you're very smart. 
worn solar
lucid oar
PROPOGANDA
lucid oar
Only one is Zeus
strange lark
Demeter
lucid oar
:colon:
cinder stratus
uhm is aphro|ares duo so bad?
worn solar
no. merciful end is just way better
turbid needle
good lernie rng
cinder stratus
well ok, it's faster
cunning urchin
Curse of Longing is perfectly perfect in every way.
strange lark
Nah
lucid oar
It sucks
turbid needle
aight now.... do i bring a 4th god keepsake into elysium or play it safe with acorn
cunning urchin
Acorn.
strange lark
Skull earring
cunning urchin
No need to gamble anything, you just gotta bring it home now.
turbid needle
damn elsyium already got me twisted
cinder stratus
acorn over skull?
turbid needle
first choice hermes or hammer
cinder stratus
well ok, hades does something like 40 damage on his spin without penalties
lucid oar
Me resisting the urge to reply “skill issue” when someone dies to 40 heat:
cinder stratus
and skull lvl 3 is 150 hp rite?
worn solar
100
cinder stratus
o
turbid needle
hermes is guranteed to show up again but hammer is only guranteed to be in the shop right?
cunning urchin
You can't take Lucky Tooth at high heat if you have a DD from Lady Athena. It'll replace the DD you have from her, and you won't get it back. So it's out of the question anyway.
cunning urchin
Both are fine, I think.
Probably hammer, yeah.
Hammer more likely to help with DPS.
lucid oar
Do you have an attack boon yet
worn solar
you werent using your attack?
cunning urchin
You've only just noticed that?
turbid needle
Do you have an attack boon yet
🌹
lucid oar
Hangover should be reworked to only kick in the next morning, and only if you’re over 30 years old
turbid needle
oh daaaaang the game is gifting me arty for 4th god
this is the best rng ive ever had
worn solar
dont you already have your dash and attack filled
turbid needle
yeah :/
turbid needle
do i really ghost best girl tho?
worn solar
ig you can get her call or cast and maybe splitting headache later
cunning urchin
Call is good if you can get a couple poms on it. And you don't have a Call yet anyway.
turbid needle
big rip
20 secs to kill theseus and mino
reeee
took too long chasing mobs
oh well
was a good learning experience thnx guys
umbral jolt
is there a proper way to use the thanatos companion or it is just very underwhelming?
lone jetty
You can kite baddies to keep them in range but the damage is often overkill and Battie is faster so you don’t see a lot of Mort in high level play
proven osprey
It's a good summon
especially for the heroes fight, needs more practice than Meg for most cases though
@fringe shale is the resident expert of Mort
fringe shale
is there a proper way to use the thanatos companion or it is just very underwhel...
It's pretty nice late-run once you know how to setup it's long fuse time (and gets better against enemies which have high HP, even better on high-heat once you activate CP1 or CP2)
Extra 1000 damage when compared to Battie may not seem much , but it really helps when your build is lacking dps
unreal tree
<@!255771673981091841> is the resident expert of Mort
phantom forgotten : (
boreal zinc
You’re going for the usual builds on those 2 yea?
Basically yeah. I've nicer results with delta chamber than with rocket bomb. Think I'll try to get used to it.
wild jasper
I just realized something about Sea Storm, the Zeus and Poseidon duo boon.
It doesn't say "when you use boons with knock away effects, they are struck by lightning," it says "when you knock foes away, they are struck by lightning"
So does this effect the sword and shield, regardless of boons?? They both can knock foes away with (at least part of) their attack, regardless of boons
I mean, you'd still need a knock away boon to get it anyway, but still
worn solar
yeah
strange lark
Yeah sword thrust, special, and shield attack will proc sea storm
wild jasper
I wonder how Poseidons attack and special interact with hammer upgrades for shield attack and sword special that make you hit twice but not knock foes away. Do you just have slightly less knockback now???
polar python
It still applies sea storm
But I had the same question a while ago
And Razor Shoals
I could be wrong but I don't think a hammer upgrade ever removes something like that
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike's knockback effect is unaffected by the hammer upgrade.
wild jasper
I could be wrong but I don't think a hammer upgrade ever removes something like ...
I did runs with that shield hammer upgrade and Artemis/Aphrodite not that long ago
polar python
But those boons aren't affected by knock back.
wild jasper
Okay?
That's not the point?
The point is that a hammer upgrade that takes away knockback exists and I know because I used it literally only a day or 2 ago
polar python
The point is that if a hammer says you no longer get knock back and a boon says it only has an effect when you knock back enemies, which one wins?
I am well aware of all the hammers in this game
cunning urchin
Just a misunderstanding.
sterile fiber
I got a dad add to survive into phase 2?!
it was one of those Elysium fighters and I think I killed phase 1 dad the same instant it turns into the little spirit ball
Then the phase 2 dad shockwave damaged it but didn't kill
And I accidentally killed it with aoe
cunning urchin
You can get a similar-ish bug with cloners if they spawn clones just as you kill the real one, the clones won't despawn like normal.
valid dagger
It’s rare
sterile fiber
Is it exclusive to the Elysium fighters
umbral jolt
So the thing with beowulf is not always wait to do a full 3 bloodstones attack each time?
lone jetty
You wanna load up the minimum number that’ll kill what you’re aiming at, yeah
So you can switch targets and not have to wait for all your stones
worn solar
the damage/size increase from having casts loaded is also pretty big
so against chunky targets like bosses you want to juggle casts still
lone jetty
^
Loaded bull rushes are big damage. I usually do like 2 casts one way, 1 the other back and forth picking up the stones
Swap the numbers if I have ravenous will and remember that I have ravenous will
polar python
I'd love to see what happens if you can keep an add alive until you kill Dad.
Does the game remove the respawn points in phase 2 so it stays a naked shade throughout?
Can it respawn fully?
If it does, can you charm it and get it to kill Dad for you??
That'd be something to see.
sterile fiber
Since the first dadwave damaged it, maybe all of dad's phase 2 attacks would damage it too
ornate needle
this might not be the right place to ask but to unlock hidden weapon aspects do you have to unlock the spear one or is it enough to have it revealed
valid dagger
this might not be the right place to ask but to unlock hidden weapon aspects do ...
Just revealed
ornate needle
i see, ty
valid dagger
Wtf
worn solar
valid dagger
Someone ban this guy
shell sleet
missed a cast boon on the 5th chaos :[
worn solar
valid dagger
Better get the sub1 em4
wild owl
i was like a pixel away from dog skip
Wait you can skip Cerberus?
shell sleet
if your build is strong enough
proper furnace
One time instead of the cerb skip dad summoned cerb as soon as he dropped the shield lol
cunning urchin
He just has it as one of his attacks from phase 2 part 2 on, yeah.
proper furnace
Out dps dad
cunning urchin
Extreme Measures 4.
proper furnace
Thats it
shell sleet
Wat
basically if you have high enough DPS you can kill the second part of phase 2 before he summons cerb
cunning urchin
We're talking about that.
shell sleet
you can do it with beo and probably a high end clockets eris
wild owl
Oh I thought you meant some sort of exploit to just not feed him
Not skip his em4 summon
cunning urchin
If you get behind Cerberus, the door just won't open anyway.
languid oyster
Is Eris best for speedruns?
cunning urchin
Probably not, but it's very good and maybe the best for getting your first really speedy times. And then is still very competitive at the top level.
languid oyster
I mean best rail
cunning urchin
Like early on when we didn't have a build meta for every aspect yet and just generally hadn't optimized gameplay with all of the aspects yet, Eris was completely dominating the meta.
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pastel jolt
Aaaand gone. Back to the topic at hand, y'all!
languid oyster
How much dmg is max hestia
languid oyster
Wuh
cunning urchin
Something between 149 and 151.
languid oyster
😳
languid oyster
We were just talking about feeding sparrows to Cerberus. Wanna join?
What chat
cunning urchin
I was asking if Sparrow wanted to join us in feeding sparrows to Cerberus.
languid oyster
Is the best way to get titan blood to grind escapes
From Meg/Tis/Alecto and Redacted
cunning urchin
Yeah, pretty much.
languid oyster
Also what are the best keepsakes for simply dealing lots of damage
If you've finished your loadout
The earring
Maybe
TD is free heat
When speedrunning
valid dagger
The earring
Earring synergizes well with SD, if you're using DDs I don't think it's too good imo, Sigil of the Dead is global damage and if timed well can add good burst to your build, Hourglass is popular for weapons and builds that can scale significantly from well items, cast builds shine with good well items
Also TD is only free heat when Speedrunning RTA, since it disables Survival Rooms you wanna keep it off when running IGT
Survival Room = timer is paused = free room
valid dagger
IGT = In-game time
RTA = Real Time Attack
Free rooms in IGT are not always free for RTA
Because even if the in game timer is paused, the rta timer doesnt stop
valid dagger
Best keep TD off then
tawny grove
i want to do a cursed meme beam build
worn solar
so like cold embrace?
strange lark
if its op then its not cursed
worn solar
yeah thats just stonks
like beam + crystal clarity + glacial glare + artic blast is pretty stonks
problem tho is you also need a dem core so thats a lot of demeter boons you need
fated authority strats
lucid oar
Do it on zag sword
strange lark
with no blood in it
proper furnace
Do it in hera
tawny grove
too late for no blood
but i could try zag sword
worn solar
not like zag sword levels do anything
tawny grove
good point
strange lark
not like zag sword levels do anything <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
RD stonks
worn solar
15% huge
tawny grove
zag sword gaming
worn solar
the ultimate ME weapon
tawny grove
let’s try it tbh i’m terrible with sword which makes it even better
worn solar
except nem does better damage anyways even with rd
valid dagger
Zag sword top meme
tawny grove
zag sword meme beam build time
unreal tree
except nem does better damage anyways even with rd <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
me and nuhai will keep preaching
there HAS to be something up with common RD zag sword
valid dagger
Oh yea there’s that
worn solar
wut
proper furnace
What odd things im gonna hear about the game today
unreal tree
and the most amount of damage I have ever seen
tawny grove
i wish you could take titans blood out of weapons
cunning urchin
Just get more.
tawny grove
more titan blood?
cunning urchin
That would make sense if I meant that.
tawny grove
i’m so confused now
cunning urchin
Yes. Just get more Titan Blood.
tawny grove
nah that’s not why i want to.
i want to take the titan blood out of zag sword for extra cursed
tawny grove
or maybe max zag sword is even more cursed
cunning urchin
Blunt blade is blunt either way.
lucid oar
Zag sword is broken when you get cursed slash
Because it gives you 60% less health
Literally broken
tawny grove
oh god
cunning urchin
Blunt and broken.
Say no more.
Zag Club.
Zag Stick?
Zag Sawed-Off Stick. Now with 60% less stick.
tawny grove
zag smashed the stick
cunning urchin
Zag Sawed-Off Double Barrel Stick.
When one hammer is good and the other one takes more than half your health. 
tawny grove
so i’m gonna try and get a good meme beam build but make the weapon as terrible as possible
cunning urchin
So... Gilgamesh.
strange lark
gilg is pretty good
free global damage boost
extra dashes
main attack has a high base damage
cunning urchin
Yeah, free global damage boost for your enemies.
unreal tree
staggering 25 damage on a dash strike
proper furnace
Gilga the castpect
unreal tree
thats only 5 less than nemesis
tawny grove
i actually don’t have gilgamesh
tawny grove
that’s the only one i don’t have
cunning urchin
No, it's 20 lol.
proper furnace
staggering 25 damage on a dash strike
"Gilga dashstrike cant kill a numbskull"
cunning urchin
25 is base Malphon Dash-Strike damage.
cunning urchin
Mini-dash to your enemies, apply Maim, mini-dash away, drop Crystal Memes, mini-dash to avoid getting hit by the enemy you buffed to do +50% damage.
Sounds cursed to me.
proper furnace
Go talk with bull man then
worn solar
can you go to src and watch duuno 7:11 and nuhai 6:53 zag sword
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932137430339977326/941827050602381342/unknown.png wait I dont get It is 651 doom damage more than it should be doing
bot
is ME combo damage multiplied by global damage increases?
worn solar
because if combo dmg is multiplied then we have 651/206 - 1 = about 216% bonus dmg
like strong drink 25% + 25% hc + 25% ff and 105% impending is already most of that
tawny grove
oh man i can’t wait to walk 15% faster
lucid oar
If you get HS that’s 30%
tawny grove
guessing attack speed doesn’t apply to casts
worn solar
wait why is it 176% movement speed
unreal tree
is ME combo damage multiplied by global damage increases?
it shouldnt be
I know it cant crit
but I genuinely have no clue about scaling it with RD
the damage that run is just 🗿
worn solar
so If ME combo aint multiplied then we have 2.68 bonus dmg
lucid oar
wait why is it 176% movement speed
2x1.2x1.15
worn solar
minus 1.80 from impending, sd, hc, ff thats .88
lucid oar
Is 2.76
unreal tree
I am bad at math
worn solar
worn solar
lmao
wild jasper
So, is Zag Spear any good? I think it might be the only spear aspect I haven't actually used yet
grand brook
What does zag spear even do
wild jasper
25% special damage, special speed, and special Range
Which would seem a bit impressive if it wasn't for the fact that two of the other aspects have very big 150% damage bonuses for Attack and Cast/Attack and Special
worn solar
it does approximately nothing
the special damage also isnt base damage. its additive
so its garbage
tawny grove
yeah zag spear is worst spear
cunning urchin
It's pretty good with Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher.
Especially Exploding Launcher.
royal oyster
which is the best companion?
proper furnace
Most people in speedruns/high heat use battie
jade geode
Hey all. Trying to find the most op fists build. Have been using Demeter aspect. What does everyone prefer for high heats?
I’ve heard either Zeus or ares on attack but then special is all over place… I haven’t played in a while so I can’t even remember what gets you the merciful end duo. Maybe Athena and ares?
last dirge
Zag spear is fun as hell if you get 2 specific hammers
Possibly in a specific order (cant confirm could just be wiki lies)
Exploding launcher and charged skewer
It does a lot of damage and gets huge range
Other than that and maybe like the ricocheting special hammer, for a probably bad run since it's still a bad hammer, it doesn't offer much
narrow geode
Need a bit of advice, triple jab or flaring spin on guan yu?
valid dagger
Need a bit of advice, triple jab or flaring spin on guan yu?
I would take flaring spin out of those two probably, but they both don’t do a whole lot, what was your third option?
narrow geode
The dash strike hits 3 times but my dash is lowered
Which for my playstyle then would have been awful
But I should also probably learn to adapt better
valid dagger
That’s pretty awful yea
cunning urchin
Serrated Point is very powerful on Guan Yu, but you'll likely need some practice with it in the Hades fight.
worn solar
serrated feels like gilga 🤢
cunning urchin
But it actually does damage.
valid dagger
proven osprey
Still waiting to see a decent Guan Yu run with serrated point
unreal tree
Still waiting to see a decent Guan Yu run with serrated point
Be the change you want to see in the world
proven osprey
Not like I have not tried
I probably should try more?
But I don't see it as a solution for your run
unreal tree
Serrated bad
valid dagger
how decent
proven osprey
Cripples your mobility. Locks you into a long animation. Forces you to go at melee range with an unsafe move.
What do you get for that? Triple damage on your dash strike. A dash strike that is really poor aoe.
And you have 50% hp. The scaling is very limited too
proven osprey
Yeah
valid dagger
It's not good damage and the reduced dash sucks ass
valid dagger
hades buff is pretty nice yea
There is also some achilles stuff with it
I dont think it's that bad on Achilles
It's just that yknow
Flurry exists
proven osprey
It's pretty good on Achilles yeah, I've tried a bit
But as you said outshined by flurry jab
wild jasper
I don't really understand Fiery Presence
It's 25% more damage than Shadow, but it only adds to the very first hit on an enemy, so if you hit them with a cast or something and then use attack or special, well I guess you just lost 75% more damage on that attack
I think I'd really only use it on certain specials that can't backstab like the gun's bombard and hellfire specials or the explosive version of the spear's special
valid dagger
The thing with Fiery is having not to do any of that
By pushing your Special / Attack damage to hit certain breakpoints
And yea as you said if whatever you're playing cant backstab too well then you also just go Fiery
You can see this with like Fiery Hestia
You one shot a lot of stuff with your empowered shot
Or strip armor
You swap to Shadow Presence Hestia on high heat when you cant hit those breakpoints anymore (due to weaker builds overall and possibly CP), or if you need to supplement your boss damage really badly
With EM4 etc
languid oyster
Sorry to interrupt, but good ideas for rams builds?
wild jasper
Did you mean Rama bow builds?
unreal tree
Rama mia
wild jasper
Aphrodite and Artemis are really good on attack
Dionysus, Zeus, Ares, and Demeter are really good on the special
unreal tree
Get hunter dash, then a % based attack
Triple and twin shot are excellent
Then point blank and perfect shot
valid dagger
Yea getting used to Rama powershots takes some time
But it's worth learning
Make sure you're dash striking
Not doing standing attacks
languid oyster
I'm at eurydice
valid dagger
And you have more ways to boost their output
languid oyster
What do I get
valid dagger
It depends on what you have but you can never go wrong with Nectar tbh
languid oyster
Oki
wild jasper
By default, dash-strikes are slightly weaker yet faster, but bonuses to dash-strike damage from chaos are much better than bonuses to attack in general from them
valid dagger
Ambrosia is rarely worth it, mostly for the memes or gambling for something that benefits a lot from rarity increases (hermes), if your build really likes poms then that's also viable
languid oyster
I like battle rage on bow
wild jasper
And Artemis Hunter's dash has a good buff to DS of course
languid oyster
What is a good amount of gold for charon
Like should I not go in with 200 or smth
cunning urchin
By default, dash-strikes are slightly weaker yet faster, but bonuses to dash-str...
Master Chaos's pronouns are they/them.
wild jasper
oops
unreal tree
🔫
languid oyster
What is a good amount of gold for charon
cough cough
cunning urchin
Do you have a cold?
valid dagger
200 is a solid amount
wild jasper
I think the most that something from Charon can cost is 200, if a hammer decides to spawn in there
Otherwise, you want at least 150 before you consider going in there.
languid oyster
200 is a solid amount
But then you can only get like one thing
valid dagger
Swap to the other side
Golden Touch barely gets any value if you just spend on shops anyway
Because you're gonna be leaving biomes broke
languid oyster
Which is why I don't
valid dagger
So 15% extra gold wont do a whole lot
Well gold is meant to be spent
There's no reason to save it
unreal tree
Clearly not a HOARDING slash gamer
valid dagger
cunning urchin
If you're concerned about clear time, then you just enter shops because they're free rooms, regardless of how many obols you have. If you're not concerned about clear time, then generally speaking you want to skip shops if the other reward is a gold laurel reward because you get more value out of one that you don't need to pay for... and you'll be forced into enough shops to spend all of your obols usually anyway.
But if the gold laurel rewards in the other exits are only gods you don't want in your pool, or if you really want 1-2 specific gods and they're not there, then you'd want to enter the shop for a chance of seeing something you actually want there.
languid oyster
Once I fought charon at 25 health
wild jasper
Is Hoarding Slash actually good?
I think I only ever picked it once for a prophecy
cunning urchin
It's good for max obols WR attempts.
wild jasper
Okay I just noticed something odd
While fighting Meg with Hestia, she went from taking 505 damage from empowered shot, to something around 400, and then 339
I've never noticed anything like that before
unreal tree
Ex nemesis IGT WR had it, it has to be good
unreal tree
Okay I just noticed something odd
While fighting Meg with Hestia, she went from ...
Probably backstab stuff, then phasing capping out damage
cunning urchin
No. Ex-WR means it's washed up.
wild jasper
Just to be clear, I put on Fiery instead of shadow
and I didn't get a fiery bonus because I took off damage control with two casts and accidentally did a third one before attacking
cunning urchin
Probably just phased her, yeah.
wild jasper
OH I'm stupid
it was poseidon
bonus to attack in first 10 seconds
I forgot I picked that up
unreal tree
cunning urchin
Your broke. He's not rotating.
cunning urchin
Maybe if we give him 
.
strange lark
livid flint
after some research, I'm still confused on the dash strike mechanic on rama
can anyone explain? what is the dash strike bonus, how do I activate dash strike, and why do my shots charge faster after i dash with rama?
valid dagger
That's just how dash strikes work on bows
They make your shot charge faster
If you wanna dash strike just dash then press attack
You should be able to notice the difference
Dash strikes on Rama get buffed by your attack/ chaos strike/ chaos lunge/ and artemis dash
your standing attack only gets buffed by attack and chaos strike
livid flint
okay thx, time to go for a rama run
high trench
There's just something about flurry jab spear builds that is so satisfying, especially when you're lucky enough to get an epic Hermes boon for the attack speed
ruby coral
There's just something about flurry jab spear builds that is so satisfying, espe...
yessir
chaos boons help a lot too ig
got to ||hades|| for the first time with flurry jab
high trench
It is a very braindead build admittedly
I first beat Mr Redacted with Zeus's chain lighting attack
ruby coral
high trench
Pretty stacked considering I had no idea what I was doing
ruby coral
heres my best run yet
ruby coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/449876163238821898/937316055817285652/u...
oh should i take the zeus keepsake?
ruby coral
Pretty stacked considering I had no idea what I was doing
same
it just shreds enemies for no reason
high trench
Well, depends on what you want to build. If you're new to the game, best ask around in #h1-for-new-players
cunning urchin
You'll want the Evergreen Acorn for 4th biome. That'll help you the most.
ruby coral
4th one is styx right
ruby coral
started like 3 days ago
i just take lucky tooth cause it seems like a safer option
but they ryte
i need to unlock the third death defiance
ruby coral
I think the Acorn is better as you get more experienced with the runs
you start wit zeus or athena, just a question
high trench
Depends on the build and what boons you want. If it's duos, you need to plan ahead and decide what you want to get. Right now, I say just wing it and experiement!
ruby coral
Depends on the build and what boons you want. If it's duos, you need to plan ahe...
Yeah I'll do that
I'm interested in atleast reaching the final boss wit rail gun
I'll try to get Persephone keepsake
cunning urchin
I'm interested in atleast reaching the final boss wit rail gun
Start Lightning Strike. Look for Static Discharge (also from Lord Zeus) and put a couple poms on that. Leave your Dash slot open unless you're offered Tidal Dash or Divine Dash. When you get to Asphodel, switch to the Conch Shell and get Tidal Dash from Poseidon. Then put a bunch of poms on your Dash.
If you already have Tidal Dash or Divine Dash when you you enter Asphodel, you can go for Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish in Asphodel to get some decent damage on your Special.
ruby coral
Pretty solid strategy ngl
cunning urchin
While also putting more poms on your Static Discharge and Tidal Dash... (or just on Static Discharge and your Special boon if you have Divine Dash instead).
ruby coral
Thanks
ruby coral
Start Lightning Strike. Look for Static Discharge (also from Lord Zeus) and put ...
This is an auto attack build right
cunning urchin
Rail builds optimally played basically hold down Attack and mash Dash, and then use their Special any time you reload.
Like, you can press Special and Reload at the same time. Or if your clip is empty, just Special and you'll automatically reload anyway after letting go of Attack.
Well, that's oversimplified, but that's basically it.
ruby coral
Rail builds optimally played basically hold down Attack and mash Dash, and then ...
Yeah I get that a bit, thanks a lot
You've helped me a ton
marsh radish
who should i go with guan yu
cunning urchin
I wrote a little guide for Guan Yu here: #h1-discussion message
worn solar
either ME, Heartrend, or Smouldering air
marsh radish
I wrote a little guide for Guan Yu here: https://discord.com/channels/4568894346...
thanks
astral lantern
those artemis dash effect dash upper on fist
unreal tree
those artemis dash effect dash upper on fist
It does
Dash strike damage from chaos does too
analog cove
However special curse from chaos does not
umbral jolt
What do u think about hera with athena cast?
Burst seems ok but the cast seems slower than the arrow so sometimes the cast doesn't hit the target 🤔
analog cove
Fast speed doesn’t matter since cast releases when arrow hits enemy
Phalanx is super good on hera with parting shot since the hitbox is big enough to count as a backstab always
umbral jolt
Im no where near that
cunning urchin
At low heats, Crush Shot just beats the hell out of any other Cast on Hera.
umbral jolt
Im barely at 10
cunning urchin
But yeah, Phalanx Shot is definitely still a solid option.
Just the thing is that it doesn't really do anything different from Crush Shot.
Like they both just do damage in an AOE and you aim to one-shot everything with it.
But Crush Shot does more damage.
The only reason some people like Phalanx Shot over Crush Shot at very high heats like that is that it immediately unlocks Last Stand and Deathless Stand in Lady Athena's boon pool, both of which boons replenish a DD... and there's that strategy with Lasting Consequences at 4 (which prevents all healing) and Stubborn Defiance that's meta at high heat... If you have Stubborn Defiance, and you use it up in the chamber before taking one of those two boons, then she will "replenish" that slot with a DD, and you also get your SD back in the next chamber like normal.
But obviously that has zero relevance outside of that context.
Hence Phalanx Shot is just a weaker Crush Shot at lower Heats.