h1-builds-and-combat

[last dirge]

But no epic cast in sight. Not even rare.

[iron rover]

i like big damage idk

[last dirge]

Lightning phalanx is big

[lucid oar]

Probably ares for early doom poms

Actually idk

[iron rover]

idk if special builds or cast builds are better for that though

[last dirge]

I might just suck it up and go ares then

[lucid oar]

Cast rarity doesn’t really matter tbh unless it’s flood flare

[last dirge]

Pray for natural athena

Fair. I still prefer epic

Epic curse of agony. Nectar 2nd chamber.

[pastel gull]

From the little experience i have i would say cast builds offer more burst dmg while dash strike builds for me have been higher average dps

[last dirge]

I need to avoid the 1st hammer here I think because I didnt get anything good

Cast builds can be very consistent

Just takes work with cast boons and damage thresholds

[pastel gull]

I was wondering which companion do you guys reccomend lvling up with ambrosia first? I was thinking sysiphis?

[lucid oar]

Meg is most commonly used for speedruns and heat runs

[pastel gull]

I see

[last dirge]

Sisyphus is probably the best

Very good for casual use. Multiple uses for it.

Healing, gold for a shop, damage, obstacles

Woo

Cshot and natural Athena

+1 casts

Epic phalanx flare

And now Artemis?

[lucid oar]

Deadly reversal??? And mirage ofc

[turbid needle]

what aspect

[last dirge]

Beo

MEowulf

Flourish dash or pp

All epic besides flourish which is rare

[lucid oar]

Flourish

Get Poseidon call

[last dirge]

Dash doesnt open up mirage right

[lucid oar]

Nah

[last dirge]

Ye

[turbid needle]

tf is flourish dash

[lucid oar]

Special and dash

[last dirge]

Yeah

Poorly formatted boon list

[turbid needle]

oh

[last dirge]

10% movement speed from bouldy

Blessed run

[cunning urchin]

Passion Flare and Flood Flare.

[last dirge]

I want to do phalanx

I might get ME in tartarus

[cunning urchin]

Passion Flare + Snow Burst with Privileged Status for high heat. Flood Flare into Mirage Shot (with Family Favorite) for any heat speed.

[last dirge]

I know

I need athena special for ME

Ugh

I messed up

Why doesnt phalanx open up ME

[lucid oar]

Brocken

[worn solar]

devs recognizes the overwhelming power of MEwulf

[last dirge]

I'm gonna get it regardless. Purging deadly flourish sadly.

What the

Three rerolls no special

Yarn did it

Gave me a heroic strike twice

[cinder mist]

Are there any other rail aspects that can come close to Eris in terms of speed? I play on console and it feels super clunky to play with not being able to aim the specials properly

(Not gonna go for leaderboards, just want to go fast)

[lucid oar]

All have sub 7ed

Hestia has sub 6ed

Zag rail is 6:00

Lucifer is also sub 6:30 modded

So, yeah all of them basically

[cinder mist]

Cool cool. What's the go-to for Hestia? I haven't levelled anything other than Eris so far but want to pick another rail aspect for my next pile of blood and Hestia has me curious

[lucid oar]

For speed?

[cinder mist]

Yeah

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash start

Into aphro or Artemis attack

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit?usp=sharing

[lucid oar]

Into either Zeus aid smoldering or chaos hunters mark

[cinder mist]

Cheers. That segways me into my next question actually. I got another of those guides linked to me earlier, that was located on speedruns.com, but when I went to https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guides I couldn't find it there (nor any other specific weapon/aspect guides like the one you just linked). Is there a directory of them so I don't have to ask here for every single guide?

[valid dagger]

uhh what guide was it

[cinder mist]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/5km0y

[last dirge]

Rip that run. Restarted.

No ME. That's why I am doing it lol.

[valid dagger]

Speedrunning basics is in the guide tab you just linked, altho this one specifically is outdated, there was some talk about compiling those guides together in some organized format but I dont think its up yet

[lucid oar]

That guide is OLD

[valid dagger]

yea there is a newer one

[lucid oar]

SS has a good guide on YouTube

[valid dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

Also for other guides, join the speedrunning Discord pinned in #self-promotion

[cinder mist]

Man sorry, I linked the wrong one >_< It wasn't on speedrun.com, it was another google doc

I'm tired

But anyway, no compilation of all different aspect guides then?

[cinder mist]

Will do, ty

[valid dagger]

They might be somewhere no github you'll have to ask around in that discord

I remember it but I'm not in that discord anymore

[cinder mist]

Alright, cheers

[iron rover]

i got hera bow. im going aprodite cast what keepsake should i run in ashpodel

asphodel

[valid dagger]

#h1-discussion message

[turbid needle]

im doing a dash only build and pissed that tidal dash doesnt open its respective side of sea storm while thunder dash does

[cinder mist]

If I pick up Hourglass in Elysium and pick something else for Styx, do my already bought well items keep their increased duration?

[turbid needle]

Yes

in general, always check charon before keepsake

[cinder mist]

Cool. Also, in general, if I have core boon(s) for my build and find Eurydice, is it better to improve level or rarity?

Or does it differ from boon to boon

[valid dagger]

Well Nectar is your pick most of the time

Improves Hermes rarity which is great

And also chance of getting duos or legendaries that you might be looking for

[turbid needle]

the one that improves 2 of ur boon rarities SUCKS

its unreliable because you dont get to choose and it upgrades something random

[cinder mist]

Good thing I asked, I thought it was good 😛 So even if I have, like right now on my Hestia build, epic Aphrodite attack, I still go with Nectar?

[turbid needle]

yea

[cinder mist]

Sweet, thanks

[valid dagger]

Poms are a fine pick if your build is more complete like you barely need anything, and to be fair that wont happen too often

[last dirge]

Even if it gets you a like, epic hunters mark

Its good

[gusty rapids]

we're working on adding it to src but for the moment we have this: https://github.com/burgerdon/Hades/blob/main/README.md

[cinder mist]

Awesome, thanks

[valid dagger]

Nice that's the one

[gusty rapids]

this is for the most part a speedrunning guide fwiw, theres some high heat stuff here but the majority is for speed

[worn solar]

nah heroic sure footing worth https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/911417969463164948/unknown.png

[turbid needle]

-1 heat

HS is no more

[cinder mist]

Yeah speed is what I mainly care about guides for, climbing heat is fun to figure out on my own

[gusty rapids]

ye then that github repo will be useful for you. should get updated periodically whenever major changes to a guide / new guides come out

[last dirge]

Does magma and poison even hurt at that point?

Even the buffed pots should do 7 or 8 dmg lol

[valid dagger]

You have to stand there for a while

[last dirge]

Yeah

[valid dagger]

Because a lot of the early magma values get rounded to 0

[last dirge]

So functional immunity

Sweet

[worn solar]

8 dmg pots stonks yeah

[last dirge]

How does it interact with Bronze Skin?

90% of 5%?

[worn solar]

id assume so

[lucid oar]

I think multiplicative

Wait does bronze skin affect traps

[last dirge]

Should

I believe it's just global damage resistance

[lucid oar]

“Resist damage from foes attacks”

[last dirge]

Ah

[lucid oar]

I’m guessing not

[last dirge]

Too bad

[valid dagger]

ye

[last dirge]

Well Positive Outlook

[valid dagger]

It doesnt affect traps

That one should work

[worn solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/911129383203405854/unknown.png bronze skin my beloved

[valid dagger]

blursed pact

this is before the EM4 arc

[worn solar]

em4 scarwy

[proper furnace]

Lvl 5 bronze skin carries

[turbid needle]

thats also -1 heat cuz 90% of 200% is 180%

[valid dagger]

I just noticed this has no pstatus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/930598478478966784/ydluob.png

[last dirge]

Uh oh

I'm doing CoLeowulf

[worn solar]

[last dirge]

I took charons sack to avoid aphro

She still appeared

Yep there it is.

[cinder mist]

My first run of Hestia gave me my best rail time, so much more fun than Eris. Can't believe I waited this long to try it

[last dirge]

I also have tidal dash so I can get Mirage lol

Nice

[cinder mist]

Yeah, speed is starting to feel fun. I'm still grinding heat/blood, so I haven't got optimal pact settings at all, but I'm tempted to start going for proper IGT runs soon.

[pliant dirge]

Good luck!

[valid dagger]

Yea speedrunning can be very fun

Just zooming around killing everything

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931679792972066897/806625759653003315.gif

[cinder mist]

Yeah. On that topic, how come fists don't run Gilgamesh? I'd have thought more dashes would be king for Merciful End

[valid dagger]

The dashes are different

They are shorter and have a bigger recovery time

[cinder mist]

Oh

[valid dagger]

But the main problem is that Demeter fists exist

Their big burst is very valuable

[worn solar]

speed running can also be not fun when grinding for pbs

[cinder mist]

I can very much see this with how RNG it is

[valid dagger]

Yea those suck

[cinder mist]

But since I won't be trying for sicko mode times anyway, I don't care so much (yet lol)

I'll be happy if I can get sub-10 IGT or something to start with

[valid dagger]

The “yet” is very important here

Sub10 igt very nice goal

[cunning urchin]

Sub 10 is still way more about skill than luck.

[cinder mist]

I just wish there was a quicker way to reset a run than standing in lava for a minute

I have 13 minutes atm, with Achilles, so I've got some ways to go but also haven't tried with actual speed pact settings and such

[valid dagger]

Yea those help

• good mirror

[cinder mist]

Yeah just the fact that I run with extra health instead of High Confidence still since I'm pushing heat matters a bunch I bet

[worn solar]

matters the most for cast/flat damage builds

[cunning urchin]

Just switch, you'll be fine.

[cinder mist]

You say that, but I just lost a Death Defiance to fury sisters when trying out Beowulf >_> I have no idea why I'm so bad with Beo/Hera, they seem so easy on paper

[cunning urchin]

DDs are a resource, it's fine.

Just go for it.

Fear is for the weak.

[cinder mist]

Fair enough, being weak is for wusses

[proper furnace]

We have a Lernie tax for a reason

[cinder mist]

Is that the DD he makes me pay every time I try to go fast through him?

[sterile fiber]

Yes

Or your whole run if you're not careful

[cinder mist]

In my good runs there are only two things that pretty much constantly make me lose a DD: Lernie, and that bloody medusa+twomp mid-boss

With Middle Management I just don't get how to get through that thing effortlessly >_<

[proper furnace]

If you have Meg summon using it as the shockwave is created will delete it

Or others summons*

[cinder mist]

That's good to know, need to look up meg strats in general

Does using Meg give you iframes?

[turbid needle]

i think so

half the time i forget to clear the DC on bosses first so its like 2500 AoE used to clear a 1 dmg block

[cinder mist]

I feel that

My only time actually lining up witches well enough to hit all of them, I had DC on 😦

Very anticlimactic

[sterile fiber]

one time I did that and forgot that I had Fidi instead

[polar python]

Does Curse of Drowning still push foes away, or is Razor Shoals just useless with it?

Asking for a friend who may have just picked up CoD by mistake...

[proper furnace]

Small amount of knockback iirc

[polar python]

Yeah, RS still seems to work

[cinder mist]

Switched, and also got sub-13 for the first time on 14 heat. No weak detected

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

[stone harbor]

How do you meg the witches miniboss effectively btw? I can only get 2 of them

[lucid oar]

Dash towards the side you entered on to the same island as the topmost witch. Stand just above the bubble in the magma. Auto aim using a cast or attack at the top most witch. Summon once the witches are lined up, only move once the circles appear

[lucid oar]

Here’s a video https://imgur.com/a/oKKycJu

[worn solar]

@empty ore meme beams: https://imgur.com/a/FSH1q5t

[empty ore]

how do you get that

also how exactly do i "[god] build"?

[lucid oar]

Dark foresight and fated persuasion

From the mirror

[empty ore]

i dont have those yet ahaha

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/887137444842045520/1216070c-5290-4373-bcfb-6a536d1ce7a1.png takes well a lot of boons

different run

not exactly the most consistent build

[empty ore]

ooh

whats a heroic rarity btw

i got a zeus dash on heroic but i alr have tidal dash

epic tidal dash too

[worn solar]

its just higher stats

[cunning urchin]

There's a 10% that gods will offer you a replacement for priority boons.

[empty ore]

then its either his call or his cast

[cunning urchin]

Meaning Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.

[lucid oar]

Epic tidal dash is better

[empty ore]

the priority boons?

[cunning urchin]

The replacement will be one rarity above what you have.

[lucid oar]

Zeus call is really good

I’d take that

[empty ore]

thanks sm

is it okay to ask questions here?

like if i should go for chaos boon or demeter

[lucid oar]

What’s your current aspect/setup

And what biome are you in

[cunning urchin]

They're called that because if all of your priority slots are open, you're guaranteed to be offered 3 priority boons (normally the first boon you pick up in a run).

When you have at least one, there's a 10% chance to be offered a replacement for one of them.

If no replacement is offered, it's a 100% chance to be offered at least one priority boon for any of the open slots.

[empty ore]

tartarus still and achilles spear

[lucid oar]

I’d probably take chaos

[empty ore]

oh

[cunning urchin]

Chaos Gate sounds good yeah.

[empty ore]

thanks sm

[analog cove]

What are the best specials for zeus/chaos shields?

[lucid oar]

Zeus, ares, Dionysus

Poseidon is also decent on chaos

[analog cove]

Does Dionysus inflict multiple stacks of hangover with one hit? Or do I need to be right next to someone with chaos to get 5?

[lucid oar]

Right next to them

[analog cove]

I really like Dionysus duo boons but I can’t seem to justify hangover on attack or special

It’s probably good with fists

I’ve tried Zeus flourish on chaos but it seems good on Zeus shield might try that and go for smoldering air or something fun

[turbid needle]

yep zues sheild with thunder flourish is arguably the best in the game

[cunning urchin]

Different builds are better for different things.

[last dirge]

@analog cove try it on chaos special. Get Bad Influence. Get Artemis attack, and ideally charged shot. Treat it like a combo bow.

Rush then special then rush. Try to keep 3 enemies hungover.

Maybe get Splitting Headache for st damage. For sure get Mark and even PP

Mark doesnt have a lot of uptime on Hades himself, and Bad Influence wont be active very long either for the same reason.

So Splitting Headache would at least let you point blank Hades with your special, then rush with bonus crit chance.

It isn't a lot but get PP and it's like 25% vs 15%

Bonus points for Passion Dash to open up Low Tolerance and Heart Rend

Besides that, you can do basically the same thing on Rama

[cunning urchin]

Hangover is great for high heat with AP2 etc. since all you need for scaling is poms on it.

[cinder mist]

When trying to go fast, how do I prioritise when I can choose between a free room and a core god? Like, say I am going for Merciless End, picked Athena keepsake for biome 2, and get to choose between chaos and Athen, or shop and Athena

[fallen geode]

I really like hangover attack on rail

[cinder mist]

(Assume I don’t want to reset one million times to get perfect boons but just go with what I find)

[fallen geode]

Cos Dios got good duo boons

[last dirge]

Shop can offer you boons

Yeah dionysus on Eris works well

Maybe the use of explosive fire idk

[fallen geode]

Dio Artemis and Dio Aphro are both really good duos

for rail

[last dirge]

Ig you would need passion dash for that too

[fallen geode]

Yea both at same time.is hard to use

but if you naturally see one or the other

keeps your options open

[analog cove]

I want to try dio Aeres and dio aphro they sound amazing together

[fallen geode]

Yea Dio Ares does sound legit yoo

But idk a good weapon that uses both

[turbid needle]

Aspect of Chiron Bow, Ares attack, Dio special

[worn solar]

better to have aphro attack dio special and ares' revenge boon

then you can easily have both duos

[turbid needle]

yea and an easier p stat

[last dirge]

Massive or quick spin for ME GY

Already have ME and Charged Skewer

[turbid needle]

is it pain or agony

if agony then massive if pain then quick

[last dirge]

Agony. I took quick anyway

[cunning urchin]

Doesn't matter. Ideally Breaching Skewer.

Quick Spin helps more for utility in case you ever need the healing.

Guan Yu with Merciful End is still pretty much just Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat.

[calm pivot]

What's a good build for beowulf shield?

[worn solar]

usually flood flare start try to get artemis on attack preferrably or some other slot to get the mirage shot duo

can also start aphro cast and grab demeter for snow burst

[turbid needle]

Doing hera, Ice wine or Scintillating feast?

[valid dagger]

Ice Wine adds a delay to Trippy Flare

Mirage Shot is the best duo you can get with it because it’s 100%

But out of those two Scintillating Feast will be better

[turbid needle]

yea i had a brainfart in tartarus and chose aphro to go for heartbreak florish for p stat

except i dont have p stat

shouldve gone for the poseidon

i only have 2 gods left in my pool so getting mirage seems pretty unlikely now

should i go for it anyway

or just take zues for scintilating and smoldering air

[valid dagger]

Both are fine tbh

Just take whatever you feel like playing

You could still force Mirage gods but it’s quite likely that you’ll see it much later in the run

Also in general I would want pstatus to not interfere with the general rythme of the weapon

I don’t wanna Special to proc it for example

[turbid needle]

lol chaos offered a shot but its addled, each cast is -5 lmao

what a troll

[turbid needle]

i know but ideally i would get drunken strike, heartbreak flourish and blackout but i didnt want to special so i took fam fav and planned to take only drunken and black out

but forgot about it halfway through lol

[valid dagger]

Family Favorite is better for such a build anyway

Since you’re not starting with a status and Drunken strike would be pretty hindering

Since you want an attack that can do good damage during casts downtime

[turbid needle]

i have stygian soul trippy flare with 5 bloodstones lmao

[shell sleet]

poseidon is p bad on chaos unless you want to meme around with sea storm

but at that point its simply worse zeus special

[worn solar]

well poseidon special has good base damage and so with seastorm its gunna do a decent bit more damage though you also need to get seastorm

[stone harbor]

Thanks

[shell sleet]

decent multiplier but the shield damage is base 15

[lucid oar]

75 damage if all shields hit plus more if you’ve got explosive return

I think my chaos speed PB has Poseidon special

[valid dagger]

Whenever you say speed pb

It sounds like a sub7 or something

[lucid oar]

Lmao

[unreal tree]

80 damage if you get this funny cshot thing

[lucid oar]

It’s barely sub 9

Actually it’s not even sub 9

[valid dagger]

Okay that’s reasonably fast atleast

For that

Probably half of that was bosses

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp

[lucid oar]

It’s 9:45 rofl

With a sub 15 heroes, not bad

[valid dagger]

Nice

[cinder mist]

Does Exclusive Access stack with Eurydice's nectar for guaranteed heroic boons?

[valid dagger]

Nope

Epic is the highest rarity you can get outside of swaps

[cinder mist]

Ah, so basically zero reason to take Nectar with Exclusive access?

[valid dagger]

Well Nectar improves Duo and Legendary chances but yea EA can lower the value of Nectar if you’re not aiming for any of those

Since your Hermes is guaranteed epic and all your supporting boons will also be epic so

[cinder mist]

Coolio, ty

[pliant dirge]

1:55 Tart
4:02 Aspho
7:00 Elysium

[shell sleet]

oof

nice tart exit tho

[valid dagger]

Ye

[pliant dirge]

Honestly my Elysiums are way too dependant on Chaos/C33 & 34 skips

[valid dagger]

Elysium can be so pain

[pliant dirge]

Noticing that yes

[valid dagger]

Even if you don’t skip those the enemies you get matter so much

Like armored witches 34 vs unarmored brightswords 34

Can be a big time difference

[pliant dirge]

iirc I had armored flamewheels & witches in 33 this time

mightve been another chamber tho

[valid dagger]

That’s pretty nice yea

[pliant dirge]

Kinda sad my +61% Special dmg from Chaos got wasted though, got Artemis special but no clockets

Delta though, so that's decent

[valid dagger]

Well it does something especially with rocket

Not like you can get a lot from chaos on eris

But yea clockets with artemis and more damage from chaos is nuts

One day the rng will line up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931679792972066897/806625759653003315.gif

[pliant dirge]

one day

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839564138640048228/933047887867314196/taprepyh.gif

[valid dagger]

Lol

[pliant dirge]

Man, this run was crap either way, but like... this was 4 or 5 Darknesses :/ c'mon Dad

Dad fight & Elysium are the places where I need to shave off the most time

[unreal tree]

One day

[pliant dirge]

Natural Poseidon: :D
No instant dash offer: :/
Reroll three (3) times and still no dash: :(

RNG really ain't on my side today

[cinder mist]

For ME with zeus shield, do I go Athena on special and Chaos on attack, or the other way around?

[lucid oar]

Either or works, but doom special is better since it scales better with poms and relies less on rarity

[cinder mist]

Cheers. While on the subject, I see people say Zeus boons with Zeus shield is good here and there - what's the build then, some kind of Sea Storm build?

[lucid oar]

Zeus special, jolted, splitting bolt, maybe some smoldering air as well

And rush delivery

Explosive return

[cinder mist]

Ah right, that makes sense

[pliant dirge]

Got a pretty damn nice build but only 1:30 for Styx & Dad

Need to beat Hades in 50 seconds... this is gonna be VERY close

m a n, 2 Darknesses, only 10 secs for the whole 2nd phase

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921956761949327380/933345060966268998/unknown.png Why.

new pb, pog, but aaa so close within sub8

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/923516126133125150/7B775727-1883-4C76-AD2C-5FF8738B9464.gif

[proper furnace]

At least isnt a 8:00:xx

[pliant dirge]

True

[shell sleet]

i remember the 4:35 into ch34 and i got hit with a 40+ second unarmoured swordsmen room

[pliant dirge]

I would've cried lmao

[shell sleet]

than open fountain open

[pliant dirge]

Hades' Aid, Clockets with Crits was spicy though

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/888624027155984384/2021091800134900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

[pliant dirge]

O u c h

[proper furnace]

Old pb anyways

[valid dagger]

The brightness is so high it’s almost Mistral dash

[proper furnace]

Its better ingame

[valid dagger]

Is that your pb still

[proper furnace]

7:05 iirc

[valid dagger]

6:65

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/928901917265002536/2022010703420100-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

Triple bomb

[valid dagger]

Goated Hermes

[pliant dirge]

I forgot the last time I had RD

Thank you Hermes, very cool

[strange lark]

Maybe one day you'll get an Elysium skip

[pliant dirge]

It'd be funny

[strange lark]

In my pb I got the opposite of an Elysium skip

I got literally no free rooms

[pliant dirge]

🤝

[strange lark]

No pat, than, chaos, fountain

Still kinda confused on how I pb'd

[pliant dirge]

simply gaming harder?

[lucid oar]

Very skilled gaemr

[strange lark]

Probably was the cshot

[lucid oar]

My PB has a elysium exit 1 minute slower than my elysium exit PB

Darn Poseidon not giving breaking wave

[strange lark]

Also had to fight bull man

[pliant dirge]

Imagine getting poseidon to begin with

[strange lark]

Start Poseidon keepsake on all aspects

[lucid oar]

Rama

[strange lark]

Tempest strike

[lucid oar]

Tempest flourish sea storm 👀

[strange lark]

Thunder flourish with extra steps

[lucid oar]

Thunder flourish doesn’t have razor shoals does it now

[strange lark]

True

[pliant dirge]

GOD Fiery Presence Rocket is nice

[strange lark]

Imagine getting rocket

Unmodded moment

[lucid oar]

Fiery presence Rama special

[pliant dirge]

there there

7 rerolls with authority

[shell sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/912234826793386064/unknown.png

this is still the record on my non speedrun file since i got a speedrun file shortly after this

[lucid oar]

Never had a :00.xx

Luckily

[gusty rapids]

having an 00.xx sounds like massive pain lmao

[cunning urchin]

See, that's where you're wrong.

You think you should save time in Elysium, but you should just not do Elysium.

[shell sleet]

but not doing elysium is saving time in elysium

[cunning urchin]

No. Saving time in Elysium implies spending time there at all. You should just skip the whole thing.

[shell sleet]

its physically impossible to skip the whole thing though

you gotta do like 2 combats

[gusty rapids]

yeah just do the ancient arcane magic of exiting lernie arena straight to the dad fight

a nice little styx skip too, because why not

[cunning urchin]

Oh damn, I didn't even think that far.

That's why you have the WR.

[shell sleet]

the legendary styx skip

is this what my runs are missing

[cunning urchin]

That suddenly explains a lot.

Croven been keeping tech from us.

[unreal tree]

Hades has free rooms.
Playing more Hades = more free rooms.
More free rooms = playing less Hades
Playing more Hades = playing less Hades.

[shell sleet]

makes sense to me

[cunning urchin]

Now that SGG has figured out players would rather get free rooms than combat rooms, their next game is just gonna be empty corridors.

[valid dagger]

even 5:00.xx?

[sterile fiber]

Speedrunners' accessibility mode. Removes all enemies

[gusty rapids]

i would cry

so close to sub5

[cunning urchin]

other people: crying because they could never get 5:00.XX
Croven: crying because the run was too slow for his standards

[shell sleet]

speedrunners would still reset for purple HS reflex into eury

[cunning urchin]

If it's empty rooms, you'd want Greatest Reflex.

[shell sleet]

ye thats what i said

well "reflex" instead of "greatest reflex"

[cunning urchin]

That reflex definitely wasn't there before.

[boreal phoenix]

Is it possible to recover a Demeter beam run with a Dionysus fog ?

[cunning urchin]

Huh?

[boreal phoenix]

If the right boons don't show up can a Dionysus fog cast recover a cast only run?

[turbid needle]

I suppose its better than base beam

[boreal phoenix]

Fair

[cunning urchin]

I mean it's a 10% chance to even get any exchange, so the chance to get one for your Cast specifically is even lower. If you purge your Crystal Beam to get Trippy Shot more easily, your Trippy Shot will be Lv.1 with not a lot of chances to get any poms on it.

[boreal phoenix]

Yeah but a crush shot could do better but it would have lower range

[cunning urchin]

You're typically better off just pivoting into Attack damage or something if things aren't working out the way you wanted. But Crystal Beam runs just take awhile to come together, so you kinda just go all in usually and pray it's gonna work out eventually.

[cunning urchin]

Neither is gonna do much at Lv.1.

[boreal phoenix]

It either you full send or not at all

[sterile fiber]

There's boon luck involved as well

[boreal phoenix]

Ye

[cunning urchin]

Remember to keep it clean.

[boreal phoenix]

But only for 1 room

[sterile fiber]

If you're not too far into the run and already have a Demeter core boon and Dionysus in your pool, you can try finding a purging pool to sell the beam and hope to get Dio cast into ice wine

Even then it's still up to rng

I'd probably just build the weapon at that point

unless it's Poseidon sword then rip

[boreal phoenix]

The rail can care less about what kind of run you are doing

It is just straight DAKKA

[sterile fiber]

then just build the weapon lol

[boreal phoenix]

Ye

But what is the theoretical maximum amount of coin you can get in a single run 🤔

[cunning urchin]

Haelian still holds the WR for that.

[boreal phoenix]

👀

Hoarding slash is good then

[turbid needle]

no... 😔

[valid dagger]

yea its decent if you have 9000 coins

[lucid oar]

Do enemies in the Meg fight ever stop spawning

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, at least until you kill some of them to make room for more.

[lucid oar]

Is there a cap to the amount of money you can make in that fight

[cunning urchin]

I think there's a cap determined by biome depth, but I never cared to look into that, personally.

[last dirge]

Gonna do another attempt at CoD Gilgamesh

Should I start with infernal or stygian?

[cunning urchin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[last dirge]

Infernal means I can get flurry ig

[turbid needle]

im in chamber 6, side hustle or hypersprint and pray for delivery?

[worn solar]

hypersprint

[turbid needle]

really? but SH in tart is so much money

[strange lark]

yeah

big number with hyper delivery

[worn solar]

well idk if you really need it

unless you have cf2 or want to buy a titan blood you have plenty of monies

[turbid needle]

cf2 would be a reason to not take SH cuz money is worth less

[pastel gull]

Guys which is the best/your favourite cast with hera bow?

[strange lark]

aphro cast is the best with hera

[pastel gull]

Ty

[cunning urchin]

Crush Shot, yes.

I wrote a guide for the build here if you're interested: #h1-discussion message

[pastel gull]

Any good duo boon reccomendations with crush shot and hera?

[strange lark]

mirage shot

smoldering air

[pastel gull]

Oh nice!

Thanks @cunning urchin

[cunning urchin]

Well, refer to the guide for that, I guess.

[turbid needle]

i have crush shot hera and 1 got left in pool

do i take artemis for mirage or athena for parting shot, divine strike, blinding flash

[pastel gull]

The guide reccomends snow burst & mirage shot

I dont see why snow burst though; wouldnt i usually be playing ranged with the bow?

[strange lark]

nah

bow is a melee weapon

[pastel gull]

Is snow burst really higher priority than mirage shot for the hera crush shot build?

[strange lark]

especially with things like twin, triple, and point blank shot

[pastel gull]

Oh

[gusty rapids]

snow burst is rly helpful for aoe to deal with small enemies, while you can use your high burst from crush shot to deal with big boys

[pastel gull]

Makes sense i suppose

[cunning urchin]

There's also Croven and cgull's guide that's a little more in-depth than mine, I think, if you're interested in that; but the tl;dr is the same, pretty much. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit?usp=sharing

[pastel gull]

Ty :)

[fossil narwhal]

best god for pure attack damage on lucifer?

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite.

[turbid needle]

demeter is also quite high damage

[cunning urchin]

Quite a bit lower. Deadly Strike would be close to Heartbreak Strike.

[cinder mist]

Does Empowering Flight work with Zeus aspect?

And, does it also boost dash attack damage or just standing still-damage?

[hoary slate]

Boosts 2 attacks after you returned the special back to Zag. Dash-attacks certainly too.

[cinder mist]

ty

[last dirge]

Yeah it has to return to you but that would be fine if you get exploding

Just encourages a playstyle

[fallen spoke]

any fun runs

[turbid needle]

wdym?

like what is a fun build?

[fallen spoke]

a run that is fun to play and nit too challenging not special cast wait repeat

[turbid needle]

for fun my personal favourite is guan yu spin to 2 win

[analog cove]

Is parting shot “your cast can now backstab and gains those bonuses yoy have when you backstab with a cast”?

[fallen spoke]

depends i rlly hate the ares cast and demeter cast the rest is fine

[analog cove]

That wasn’t my question

[fallen spoke]

with artemis it could be fun just one shotting everyithing or any other high damage one

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[turbid needle]

yes all backstab bonuses + 35% exclusively for cast

[shell sleet]

man this scuffed is so good at the game

[rich summit]

how good is an afk build?

[valid dagger]

Depends on what you wanna do

It’s just a fun meme build tho

[analog cove]

Is the basic strat health damage reduction and Zeus vengeance?

[valid dagger]

Ares vengeance is very good aswell

Zeus alone wont be enough

And if by damage reduction you mean weak then yea

Through wave of despair

Otherwise I dont think you wanna take it

Since there are better picks

Like Holy Shield > Bronze skin

[analog cove]

Can you get multiple vengeance boons?

[valid dagger]

Yes

[analog cove]

Oh that’s cool

Arthur for more health?

[valid dagger]

Yup

You can check haelian's run

He did it twice

And one of them was with EM4

[lucid oar]

Zag fists maybe better if you stack a lot of dodge

[valid dagger]

Possible

A lot of dodge comes from Second Wind and RR so that's kinda sad lol

[lucid oar]

Assuming 0% dodge chance, zag fists is better than Arthur if you have 300 health

Or more

From extremely rough scuffed calculations

[sterile fiber]

what if... Arthur + plume

[next cradle]

I wanna try shield aspect of chaos. Any build recommendations?

[mint valve]

What Rail Aspect of Lucifer boons yall recommend?

[next cradle]

Zeus attack

[mint valve]

Any good duo boons?

[next cradle]

Try to get splitting bolt(not a dou but legendary) for dou doesn't matter

[lucid oar]

Smoldering air

[sterile fiber]

Zeus special + jolted and assorted Zeus thunder buffing boons, or Dionysus special. Or Just Play ME (tm)

[next cradle]

So Zeus it is, thanks

[turbid needle]

me who likes Ares and only uses Demeter in specific situations: ...

is it just me or is Athena kinda cringe

shes my least favorite to get boons from its like who needs defense when u can just kill everything

[valid dagger]

Up the heat then

[turbid needle]

for the pact with the time limit. if its the 7 minute one as long as our in game time is lower than 28 minutes it clears right ?

im getting 19~25 minute clears so im wondering if i can raise the heat on that one for free heat

across various weapons

[valid dagger]

Yea TD2 adds up to 28

Worth noting that if you have leftover time in Tartarus for example it carries on to Asphodel and so on

Also when time hits 28 minutes you start losing 5 hp/ sec

You dont instantly die

With clean play and good hp you can get away with some overtime if you have to

[turbid needle]

ok i think thats prob the easiest heat increase then for my lvl of play atm ty ty

its 7 per region so if you take 5 minutes on one but 8 minutes on another if that 8 min is in tart it will say ur total is less than 28 but it can still hurt

[valid dagger]

It's very recommended yea

[turbid needle]

but yea take it

[valid dagger]

TD3 also becomes very easy with enough practice

And it's worth a lot of heat

[turbid needle]

td3 is 5 mins per region ?

so total 20 minutes ?

[valid dagger]

yup

[turbid needle]

i c i c

[turbid needle]

even with upped heat imo it would be easier to have ppl die faster so its not you dont have to dodge as much than it is to get defense

[lucid oar]

TD5 would be possible

Just don’t die

[valid dagger]

Then that's not enough heat

[turbid needle]

ive gotten sub 20 just once so far on the chiron bow lvl 4 so i think it should be possible in the near future for some ez heat

[valid dagger]

Yea it takes practice for sure

[lucid oar]

Actually TDinfinity works if you’re going for a tank build

[turbid needle]

Is it recommended to always pause to view boon selection?

Er

like the reward selection

[valid dagger]

It's a good thing to do

[lucid oar]

Yeah for speed

[turbid needle]

boon selecton pauses already

gotcha gotcha

but room selection yes u should pause

i c i c

codex also pauses so its fine to reference that while deciding rooms

(!) rooms and than fights pause

[valid dagger]

Codex invalidates any run

That wants to be on leaderboards

If the timer is running

[lucid oar]

Note that you’re not allowed to use codex for sr.com

[turbid needle]

huh why is that

[lucid oar]

You can pause the timer when the game is still running

[valid dagger]

You can cheese with it

[turbid needle]

but pausing via esc is valid?

[valid dagger]

https://youtu.be/9dRXyeNKOgE

[gusty rapids]

lol I love that clip

[valid dagger]

If you keep mashing the codex button you can move in small increments

while the timer doesnt progress

so you can cross through a shop in 0 seconds

[turbid needle]

lol

oof… that video

[valid dagger]

this clip is amazing

[turbid needle]

thats funny and good to know but yikes

[lucid oar]

Sub 5 unmodded would have easily been done with codex cheese

But it’s tedious

[turbid needle]

yea it does seem so lol

[cunning urchin]

What do you have against Divine Dash and free DDs?

[fallen spoke]

I dont like them bc you need a lot of other boons

[turbid needle]

fair except for Demeter you don't really but it would be better

[fallen spoke]

Uou kinda need the duo for demeter

[cunning urchin]

JANUARY CHALLENGE
Zagreus vs. Zombies
Can you defend the Underworld against the ever-increasing waves of zombies? Set up your defenses and send the undead back to whence they came from. But watch out, they've got tricks up their bones!

“Get off my lawn!”—Zagreus, probably

Conditions:
Aspect: Zeus
Companion: Fidi or Rib
Boons: Unhealthy Fixation, Aphrodite's Aid, and either Cold Embrace or Crystal Clarity
Pact: Jury Summons 3, Extreme Measures 2, Benefits Package 2, Heightened Security

Extra Challenge: Extreme Measures 3, Routine Inspection 2

You can submit your runs here. A screenshot or video is required: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing

If you wish to be notified of any new <@&737365219982049411>, type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge in #bot-commands.

Challenge poster: https://i.imgur.com/kNsI5he.png

[strange lark]

pog

[lucid oar]

Time to start giving dusa some nectar lmao

[snow nest]

Ballin

[valid dagger]

brb

[worthy sorrel]

Ok so I’m a bit confused cuz I have not been paying attention to the past challenges for a bit

[warm aspen]

Cool

[worthy sorrel]

The Boons listed, those are ones I have to collect along the run?

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

Yes. You need to have those by the end of the run.

[worthy sorrel]

Gotcha

[valid dagger]

Need to pick up too much aphro unfortunately

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[magic dagger]

@cunning urchin are we allowed to go without companions

it'll delay my run a tad if not (pardon the typo)

[valid dagger]

Oh wait this has to be unmodded right?

welp

[sterile fiber]

owowowowowowowowo

[valid dagger]

OwO

[cunning urchin]

I'd think it's in the spirit of the challenge to not use mods that circumvent any of the difficulty, but we never made it a rule that mods aren't allowed.

Play however is the most fun for you.

[valid dagger]

getting a duo and a legendary with RI2 sure is gonna be fun

[cunning urchin]

Well, that's why it's an extra challenge.

[lucid oar]

Reset for chaos favour

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[cunning urchin]

m looking into how we handled that in previous challenges.

[sterile fiber]

Is Zeus shield a reference to the sunflower

[valid dagger]

oh aid isnt even prereq for fixation

[turbid needle]

hmmm haven't played hades in about a month

perfect time :)

[cunning urchin]

It's fine if you haven't unlocked them yet.

[bright forge]

Hold up new challenge?!! LETS GOOOO

[buoyant oar]

ah that’s a lot of aphro boons you need to pick up…. sounds fun though!

[sterile fiber]

For tryhards that means it's mandatory

[valid dagger]

I'm just a casual gamer but it caught my attention

[cunning urchin]

Since when?

[valid dagger]

Since when what

I dont know what you're talking about

Also TD3 is a pretty bad idea

when you have no damage

apparently

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[grand brook]

Ooh I might have try this out

[cunning urchin]

You do. It's not optional.

[grand brook]

Try it or die?

[cunning urchin]

Maybe both.

But don't worry, you'll return as a zombie.

[grand brook]

Gives me a reason to try out higher heat and Fidi

[valid dagger]

flex

or meme

[grand brook]

Which weapon should I use?

[sterile fiber]

No need to prove unseeded right?

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Aspect is required.

[valid dagger]

it has to be zeus

[grand brook]

Oh ok

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[sterile fiber]

Is Zeus a reference to the sunflower

[grand brook]

So you just send a screenshot

Of the victory?

[sterile fiber]

ye

[cunning urchin]

Who knows.

Screenshot or video. Either one works.

[fallen spoke]

is god mode alowed

[fading nymph]

Yo monthly challenge pog

[fallen spoke]

my highest heat lol

[analog cove]

Does p status ME and exposed make my doom do more damage?

[fallen spoke]

idk

[lucid oar]

Yeah it should do

[cunning urchin]

God Mode is allowed, yes.

[fallen spoke]

ok

[quartz fractal]

is there a prize to winning or is it more the less for fun

[cunning urchin]

There's no prize.

The prize is the friends you made along the way.

[sterile fiber]

PvZ was such a good game

[quartz fractal]

wholesome

[cunning urchin]

m the high priestess of the Goddess of Love, after all.

[grand brook]

Lost three times, if I do it once more I’m sure I can win it

[cunning urchin]

You can do it!

Don't be afraid to ask for tips here, either.

[grand brook]

Ok

Both times I kept losing my dds a bit early to boss fights

[cunning urchin]

(Also just to be clear, as a rule I don't help with the challenges, so don't ask me for tips. )

[lucid oar]

Have you tried not getting hit?

Is there any requirement for the special boon

For the challenge

[cunning urchin]

No.

[lucid oar]

Ok

ME is gonna have a good time

[cunning urchin]

You're going for Merciful End, Aphrodite's Aid, Unhealthy Fixation, and either Crystal Clarity or Cold Embrace in one run?

[lucid oar]

Simple, I’ll get a specific 4 god pool and 3 duo/legendary boons with no dark foresight

[cunning urchin]

And a Lv.40 Heroic Divine Dash?

[lucid oar]

Idk man

[cunning urchin]

Woman.

[lucid oar]

That seems tough

I’m not changing the copypasta

[alpine warren]

Hey you guys how do you go about handling the witches mini boss in Asphodel

**When you have no pushback or deflect boons, and using melee weapon

I find it very difficult to not lose a lot of hp trying to kill them, otherwise I would just run around to dodge their balls forever

[worn solar]

when dealing with projectiles you want to make use of the fact that your attacks destroy them so you want to keep the witches grouped and on one side while attacking into them. make use of dash strikes and the sword special if using sword and time them to hit groups of projectiles. with good damage you can be pretty aggressive while killing them quickly. meg's summon also helps a lot since it can strip their armor making them stunlockabled pretty easily also any summon will destroy active projectiles.

[fading nymph]

this is all stuff I have no clue how to play

[fading nymph]

as someone with

[cunning urchin]

What is?

[fading nymph]

Zeus, Cold embrace, RI2 if that counts

[lucid oar]

I slapped Zeus on special and hoped for the best

[fading nymph]

I mean I could do crystal clarity but thats just another god lol

[lucid oar]

Natural aphro attack, aid and broken resolve

[fading nymph]

honestly might start c shot aphro attack

well

hope for c shot lol

[sterile fiber]

RI2 is just a little less HP -damue

[fading nymph]

40% less boons

a duo and a legendary with no legacy

[lucid oar]

Didn’t help when Demeter refused to give me the cast

[sterile fiber]

maybe the meta is Authority

[fading nymph]

never trust demeter to give you the boon

[lucid oar]

Idts cause then keys have less value

[sterile fiber]

get as many gold rooms into boons as possible

[fading nymph]

na you need the boon rolls

you get 40% less of those though

golds

[sterile fiber]

Nyaanyaa: RI2 is just an extra challenge

Everyone all the tryhards here: and I took that personally

[plucky harbor]

I don't

[sterile fiber]

you're more enlightened

[cunning urchin]

I know my hardcore players.

[lucid oar]

When the extra challenge turns out to be extra challenging 😔

[sterile fiber]

Playing random everything has hardened me to cursed kits

[grand brook]

I’ll do the extra challenge when I’m more experienced. This is the highest heat I ever played on

It wasn’t that hard, though

I turned right deadline off

Tight*

[lucid oar]

The extra challenge is “only” 19 heat but it’s far from an optimal 19 heat pact

[sterile fiber]

at least it's not single dash spear with Fiery presence and DC1

[worn solar]

ri2 bad

[grand brook]

Imagine doing it without gods legacy and rerolls

[cunning urchin]

@grand brook don't forget to submit your run.

[fading nymph]

I mean

you just sit in the corner right

with your beams and spinner out

gameplay as intended

I'll prob do RI0 first and then do the extra

[turbid needle]

i need a few more heat for the next bounty, i assume its fine to put some conditions on top of the challenge pact?

[worn solar]

arty dash and attack is kinda nice. but i realized that opening up heartrend bad idea

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, there's no rule against that.

[boreal phoenix]

is Hera bow secretly op?

[fading nymph]

Hera good

[boreal phoenix]

Cuz if I can get 5 cast's into the target all at once wouldn't that theoretically insta kill a saytur?

If I were to use Aphrodite cast

[fading nymph]

Crush shot good luck out Hera yes

[boreal phoenix]

Level 4 rare is minimum level to be viable in the Styx Temple

[fading nymph]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[boreal phoenix]

OOoooooo

[fading nymph]

There’s a good guide by scuffed

[boreal phoenix]

Thx m8 👌

[cunning urchin]

I don't know about secretly when it has the speedrun WR.

[boreal phoenix]

Wait

It does?!

[cunning urchin]

It does.

Don't evade the swear filter, though.

[boreal phoenix]

I thought that rail would have it or something

@cunning urchin who hold the record?

[cunning urchin]

Croven.

[fading nymph]

Rail used to have it

By Lili and then Ananke took it still with rail

Then 185 took it with Achilles

Then Croven accidentally took it with Beowulf

[cunning urchin]

Accident.

[fading nymph]

Then ocaml took it with Rama

And now Croven has it back with Hera

[fading nymph]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

You didn't start at the beginning, though.

[fading nymph]

“I JUST WANTED TO PLAY UNMODDED BEOWULF”

That’s as far back as I know

[cunning urchin]

Well.

Start with Early Access.

Do some research, then come back.

Don't come back until it's comprehensive.

[fading nymph]

“this was not supposed to happen, I just wanted to play some unmodded Beowulf but here we are”

[cunning urchin]

The first time I played any RTA, I accidentally got the Hera WR.

[fading nymph]

[worn solar]

when roll aphro twice and no call or legendary

i have all cores filled

and one styx aphro

[turbid needle]

Demeter cast backstabs even without parting right

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[turbid needle]

does it backstab with cold embrace? i coulda sworn it did

[iron locust]

Oh cool Zeus Aspect
And for people on Windows that can run Hades but not OBS at the same time, you guys can use Win + Alt + R to record the current window. It doesn't hinder my frames that badly so that's neat.

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

Probably just need to change your OBS settings for that.

A video recording isn't required, anyway. But you can certainly do that.

Good luck!

[turbid needle]

lol HS trap instantly turn on the sheild thats funny

[fading nymph]

unoptimal for resetting

I have to wait for another grrrrrr

[sterile fiber]

Newer PCs might come with the xbox game bar bundled in, just windows + G to bring it up, it has a screen record button

[olive tinsel]

I'm not sure but I'm guessing all windows 10 computors and up have it also check if u have disabled it since some people do because they find it annoying

[sterile fiber]

random stuff that people might find useful for monthly challenge:
Any Demeter boon that gives Chill, except Glacial Glare, will unlock Killing Freeze and Arctic Blast, which clogs up her boon pool, so avoid it

When the Zeus special is being recalled, you can catch it mid bullrush, so if you have explosive return, try and meet it near enemies so you hit them with the explosion

[worn solar]

helps to fill core slots tho with dem or aphro boons

[sterile fiber]

Fill with aphro more than dem then

[worn solar]

well you kinda want a lot of other aphro boons

like once you get dem cast then all you need from her is a duo

so the t2s shouldnt matter much

[sterile fiber]

Probably matters more with RI than without

Without RI I won't worry that much

[worn solar]

well dem doesnt have any priority t2s right so they wont reduce your duo chance

though avoiding actually grabbing her t2s would be good to avoid her legendary

[sterile fiber]

You need 2 T2s to get her legendary so getting one is fine

can't believe I'm saying this but playing FO2 too much has ruined FO0 for me

Enemies now take an hour to spawn in

[worthy sorrel]

Now I see why it’s January CHALLENGE

I came in beefed up with God Mode, Rib, got Positive Outlook early, had 3 death defiances

And Asphodel drained 2 of my DDs and nearly took the third

17 HP left

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

Keep in mind the extra challenge is optional.

[worthy sorrel]

PRAISE BE FOR KISS OF STYX PREMIUM

[worthy sorrel]

Ik I left those out

[sterile fiber]

Pat our beloved

[worthy sorrel]

Jury Summons is messing me up

I let my guard down thinking it’s over

Then BAM

More enemies

[cunning urchin]

[worn solar]

when ri2 means you cant have a build because youre tryna chase a legendary and a duo without the bottom mirror perks and need at least 4 aphro boons

[sterile fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/933984541431959602/Screenshot_20220121-022053_YouTube.jpg

The build is Aphro special

that's all

[worthy sorrel]

DANG

IT

I was so close

I have the duo

[worn solar]

well if you get aphro special

[worthy sorrel]

But I needed the legendary and the aid

But there’s only 1 aphro boon left

😦

[worn solar]

yeah happened to me the first time

[sterile fiber]

If you don't get aphro special by Ely just use Shackle

[worthy sorrel]

Well anyway it’s 11pm so imma sleep and try again tmrw

Gnight

[worn solar]

shackle not egg

[sterile fiber]

Zeus shield is pretty scuff proof imo

[worn solar]

its safe but i need other keepsakes to increase duo and legendary chance

[sterile fiber]

then take egg

not like there's TD

[worn solar]

well thats what i did

but big brain strat is coin purse > nat dem > nat aphro > dem keepsake > aphro keepsake > egg

just gotta pray a little

[sterile fiber]

I mean you were just talking about not having a build earlier

what if this is Nyaanyaa's ploy to train more people in JS3 Zeus to get another Zeus WR

[worn solar]

well i was also talking about how i couldnt get a build because i needed the boons

[cunning urchin]

You think my ploy would be for the sake of Zeus?

[turbid needle]

i got JS3 + enshrouded in a numbskull room

this challenge is lending into some fun situations lol

double the numbskulls

[worn solar]

wait if you have egg and all core slots filled with the prereqs then rolling twice on an aphro boon is like a 90% chance for the legendary

bruh

[cunning urchin]

Enshrouded is a curse from Master Chaos that hides the next 4-5 room previews. Probably not what you meant?

[turbid needle]

oh, which ones the increased enemy spawns

[cunning urchin]

What does the Cosmic Egg have to do with it?

[worn solar]

roiling

doesnt egg increase legendary chance

[turbid needle]

only if that legendary is defiance

[sterile fiber]

Roiling

I think.

[cunning urchin]

For Master Chaos's legendary, yeah.

[worn solar]

wait ive been lied to my entire life

[sterile fiber]

Zeus Theshield not Zeus Thegod

[cunning urchin]

And that sounds convincing to you?

[sterile fiber]

yes? imagine Heartbreak Flourish 60 heat

[cunning urchin]

@worn solar don't forget to submit your run btw.

[errant acorn]

I've discovered that I really like Aspect of Poseidon. It might be my favorite sword aspect.

Pair it with Flood/Blizzard Shot or Phalanx Shot/Lightning Phalanx and it's so much fun.

[sterile fiber]

coming to think of it, Deadly Strike Zag Rail is prob another fitting weapon for the monthly challenge

as the peashooter

[shell sleet]

wait

does egg increase all boon rarity and not just chaos?

[hexed pendant]

just chaos im pretty sure

came up on Styx with my best time yet by accident (just figured out great aspect of eris is) and then the sack was in room six

[hexed pendant]

i checked, it's just chaos (but good chaos boons are Really good)

[valid dagger]

Yea it's just Chaos

[errant acorn]

What's the point of Zag Spear?

I feel like I get on much less with Varatha in general than the other five weapons, but I've been trying to diversify lately.

Zag Spear just feels bad.

[vale imp]

zag spear is pretty boring tbh

[errant acorn]

I like Achilles and Guan Yu well enough, but Zagreus just feels like I'm doing very little damage.

[turbid needle]

i like hades and guan yu achillies i switched it and personally love the hades one

[valid dagger]

Spears are hammer reliant in general

[vale imp]

The point is probably that Zag Spear has an always on Special damage bonus

[valid dagger]

If you get bad hammers they'll feel very underwhelming

[errant acorn]

Achilles isn't like that.

[vale imp]

It's a very underwhelming point but there you go

[errant acorn]

At least I don't think it is.

[vale imp]

It's because Achilles isn't dependent on the spear's damage so much

A lot of power comes from the Cast

[errant acorn]

Not necessarily.

That isn't required like it is with Poseidon. Achilles is probably at its best when it's got Hunting Blades or something but you can, at least theoretically, build it for attack.

[vale imp]

I have and it's always more underwhelming than just going for a cast build

[errant acorn]

I didn't say it was a good idea.

[vale imp]

you'll definitely get clears

but it's not as good as a cast bulld

[errant acorn]

I might try it with Blizzard Shot one of these days.

[vale imp]

150% damage boost is a pretty bonkers damage boost

[errant acorn]

I've historically only used it with Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity.

I guess that's one big problem I have with a lot of really good builds. Feels like a lot of them are just really difficult to get together.

My main is Aspect of Demeter/Merciful End. Actually getting the duo has been a royal chore sometimes. I guess it's supposed to be.

It just feels like the number of things that have to go right for me are staggering.

[vale imp]

Yeah, ME is one of those builds that require a lot of specific boons

[errant acorn]

Like, I have to get Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Explosive Upper, Breaching Cross, Merciful End, Ravenous Will...

I think the ideal cast and call might be Crush Shot and Zeus's Aid?

[vale imp]

Well honestly, I'd prefer Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom over any specific hammer

just so that if I don't get ME, I can still make Doom work really well

[errant acorn]

I would love to have more Demeter boons because I just like her a lot, but it feels like I'm kneecapping myself if I go that route.

[vale imp]

honestly, you probably are

[unreal tree]

Impending doom..

[errant acorn]

The list I made was not comprehensive.

I didn't get into literally every boon I need to optimize the build.

Impending Doom. Dire Misfortune. Blinding Flash. Greatest Reflex. Swift Strike.

[vale imp]

Y'know, i'm torn between Greatest Reflex and Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery

I keep wondering which would have more damage

[unreal tree]

Swift strike isnt that great

It doesnt apply to your dash strikes

[vale imp]

Granted, Rush Delivery is a high roll in itself

[unreal tree]

So mostly irrelevant

[errant acorn]

This is a Twin Fists build. I'm not only using dash strikes.

[unreal tree]

Why not

That way you can get ME to process more times with divine dash

[errant acorn]

Because the dash is on a cooldown and I can't just use it forever?

Besides that, if I'm running Dire Misfortune, Swift Strike helps accumulate all of those stacks of Doom much more quickly and there's the added consistent backstab damage since I'm often running Black Shawl anyway.