Like Hestia Zag bow
#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
fading nymph
Yeah outside of slicing shot you only want his cores on ME
unreal tree
Try drunken strike demeter fists+artemis special, blade dash
Its very fun
And get a decent call
It charges up ridiculously quick
lost charm
Zeus?
unreal tree
That works yeah
lost charm
Right. Thanks!
valid dagger
Yea Zeus is nice
unreal tree
Or Aphrodite special-zeus call for smoldering air
fading nymph
Zeus is the highest damage call if you get T2s
unreal tree
Main hammers to look out for are explosive launcher, breaching cross and kinetic
unreal tree
Another kinetic fan 
strange lark
kinetic is cool
lost charm
I saw some gameplays with it
Btw, I really need to switch the games language. In Portuguese is harder to translate your tips 😅
All the boons and build stuff
sterile fiber
*explosive upper
sterile fiber
Btw, I really need to switch the games language. In Portuguese is harder to tran...
yeah same, I started playing in chinese because I was showing it to my mother (who was more fluent in that than English), and switched after I got my first win
Had to relearn the boon names again
opal zephyr
so how exactly do builds work in hades?
valid dagger
so how exactly do builds work in hades?
It's usually forcing a god in Tartarus and Asphodel so you have 2 important parts of your build and sometimes you're eligible for a duo boon between those 2 gods that makes things even stronger
vale imp
if you're just starting out, i would really recommend trying out everything so you get a feel for the game
as well as maxing out the mirror and unlocking all the weapons
for something to get started, a good rule of thumb is that weapons that have high base damage would prefer the high% gods like aphrodite and athena while weapons that are fast but have low damage numbers will want weapons that give flat damage bonuses like zeus and dionysus
opal zephyr
as well as maxing out the mirror and unlocking all the weapons
i have the bow, shield, and spear
and the sword as well ofc
idk how to check weapon stats
valid dagger
It mostly comes from experience and trial and error, if you try Aphrodite attack on Rail for example you’ll realize that it’s very subpar and the damage isn’t that great etc
valid dagger
and the sword as well ofc
I assume you still have the Base weapons and no aspects yet?
opal zephyr
whats an aspect
and by base weapons do you mean the ones you get in the sparring area?
proven osprey
yeah, they're aspects of zagreus
valid dagger
and by base weapons do you mean the ones you get in the sparring area?
Aspects are basically variations of the base weapon with different buffs and sometimes movesets and such, they unlock once you get the Rail using Keys and then do a run (win or lose doesn’t matter) and return to the House
valid dagger
But yea if you still working with the base weapons there is a pinned guide in #h1-for-new-players to introduce you to what works best with each of them
opal zephyr
oh ok
ty
but how do i choose which god offers me a boon
cause usually its random
valid dagger
You can use the keepsake from said God
opal zephyr
whats a keepsake
valid dagger
So if you start with Poseidon for example, the first boon being offered is a guaranteed Poseidon
opal zephyr
ah
valid dagger
It’s the item that npcs give you when you gift them their first Nectar
opal zephyr
oh those are keepsakes
i have 1 from hypnos and charon
but how do i give gods nectar?
lost charm
So, each time they appear and you have some nectar, there's an option to give nectar to them
opal zephyr
k ty
valid dagger
Yup
vale imp
be sure to give them nectar before you talk to them
opal zephyr
where do i get the fists and adamant rail from
vale imp
just unlock them with keys
lost charm
Gods keepsakes are super helpful for core builds, like of you want Artemis for critical stats and so
lost charm
@opal zephyr those questions that you have will be better answered in #h1-for-new-players
vale imp
on the top right side
lost charm
No, that's OK, hun
proven osprey
it's just that this channel is a spoiler zone
well basically all but #h1-for-new-players
pliant dirge
On Eris for Speed, what's more important: Breaking Wave or Shoals? Regarding Poseidon Dash
unreal tree
On Eris for Speed, what's more important: Breaking Wave or Shoals? Regarding Pos...
definitely breaking wave
helps a lot in styx
especially if you dont have clockets
pliant dirge
'kaykay, does rarity matter on it?
unreal tree
it gets buffed by eris
I dont think it matters too much
but maaaybe get a pom in it later on
weak zodiac
guys I just made my first escape! but why is it making me choose 5 boons and lock them?
will I use them afterwards or what?
vale imp
oh no, that's basically just the victory screen
you're just choosing what boons to highlight
usually what people do is screenshot that to show off a build or to confirm a speedrun
congrats on the first escape btw!
now do it again
proper furnace
And again
vale imp
and then a lot more
bright vine
Yooo crit sword super nova, world splitter or dash nova?
valid dagger
Super nova
bright vine
Ty
pliant dirge
4:15 Aspho into 7:08 Elysium, sadge
pliant dirge
Are you aiming for sub 8?
Thats the eventual goal, but this is more learning layouts, grouping, etc
gusty rapids
415 still good enough for sub8, just difficult. playing it out for practice is great too
cunning urchin
415 still good enough for sub8, just difficult. playing it out for practice is g...
Yeah, but for a first sub 8, that's gonna be pretty damn hard.
worn solar
just skip ely smh
pliant dirge
415 still good enough for sub8, just difficult. playing it out for practice is g...
I did try to finish it, but got a crash in styx, and I don't feel like checking gamefiles 'n stuff
steady pebble
anybody got some fun builds for shield
never found it fun to play so i want to try to make it fun
keep in mind i dont have the secret aspect yet
last dirge
I like Hangover + Bad Infuence on Chaos special
Then Artemis on attack
If you get splitting headache and mark that's even better. Hangover will produce a lot of marks for you
steady pebble
aight imma go try that
last dirge
There's also merciful end of course but this is fun
worn solar
anybody got some fun builds for shield
aspect of zeus. just slap on zeus on special https://imgur.com/a/ZYGg2lp
last dirge
Thats an option too yeah
last dirge
I dont have any good clips of BI Chaos
valid dagger
very sus
last dirge
It does build damage nicely though
steady pebble
oki
last dirge
Make sure to get jolted with zeus
That's just as important as actually getting the special boon
I remember getting a 1000 jolted crit the other day
Just accidentally on a random Eris run that ended up as my PB
I got lots of bonus with rarity then basically the meta build for Eris
The dream. Smouldering air, tidal dash, zeus attack aphro special, cluster + rocket, then Poseidon + Aphro duo too so I easily got a lvl 6 epic Jolted
I had a tiny pp
2%
My one Artemis boon lol
Good enough on Eris
So Eris adds 75% global dmg to Jolted, then it crits. Easy massive damage
My favorite GY runs usually have PP + Mark + Quick Spin
Then I sort of pinpoint enemies between the spin projectile and the special, aiming for marked enemies
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/911782430564831232/Hades_11_20_2021_4_46_14_PM.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/908488438397947904/unknown.png
@steady pebble the actual builds
errant acorn
What hammers make for the fastest runs with Demeter fists?
last dirge
I havent really played zag shield at all
worn solar
usually breaching cross
last dirge
Hm what's it called, rolling knuckle iirc is quite good on demeter for combo building?
Yeah and breaching cross is just S
errant acorn
Explosive Upper, Breaching Cross, I think I've used Flying Cutter a few times?
errant acorn
Haha, it's my main. I have to honor my favorite character somehow and I'm not using her core boons nearly as much anymore.
proven osprey
Explosive upper 
errant acorn
Yeah, but is it as good as a Merciful End build is the thing.
last dirge
Yeah
errant acorn
I love my Frost Strike/Killing Freeze builds, but...
I guess I could try Demeter attack/special, Poseidon cast/call, and maybe go for Blizzard Shot.
Add Ravenous Will and Killing Freeze and just hope and pray for Winter Harvest.
snow cairn
Trying to upload the screenshot of my build
Do I gotta upload it to the interwebs first?
like imgur or something
valid dagger
Yea
errant narwhal
yes, or another discord server
snow cairn
another discord server and link it?
strange lark
yeah copy image link and post it here
snow cairn
#905242433120530455 message I think I did it right
strange lark
image link
proven osprey
^
turbid needle
you didnt
turbid needle
👍
snow cairn
Yeah it was a two part build that ended up synergizing well
Sorry my discord is helllla laggy when obs is open
last dirge
Interesting build. I used to go for Curse of Longing a lot
cunning urchin
It's quite nice on Guan Yu.
snow cairn
It worked well having the special inflict the weak and attack constantly give doom too
last dirge
Yeah CoL GY is nice. I've done that lots.
turbid needle
maim? more like LAME
steady pebble
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/911782430564831232/H...
alright ty
i tried the one with hungover and artemis it was pretty nice
hangover
last dirge
Did you get Bad Influence?
That really boosts Artemis attack on your bull charge plus hungover damage
As long as you keep it on multiple enemies
turbid needle
whats a good A of Demeter build
valid dagger
Merciful End
turbid needle
Pain or Agony
strange lark
Yeah agony
last dirge
Divine dash too
sullen granite
I hit this really nice build that basically just let me shred dad whenever he did the laser thingy
basically rift blade go vrrrrrrr
opal zephyr
is deadly flourish + lightning strike good combo for rail?
and also the infi ammo burst fire from daedalus
worn solar
pretty zeus attack arty special is pretty meta yeah
opal zephyr
k
worn solar
delta chamber is good for safety since it doesnt remove iframes when you dashstrike with it
opal zephyr
whats iframes
worn solar
invincibility
last dirge
Invincibility while dashing
opal zephyr
ah
opal zephyr
also what dash boon is good? i really like the aphrodite weak dash ability but i dont get to use it much with rail because i always stay at a range with it
last dirge
You still move of course but as soon as you hit attack you lose invuln
Tidal is good on rail
cunning urchin
I've never heard anyone call anything in the game a "dash charge". 
last dirge
I swear something does
cunning urchin
Definitely not.
last dirge
Maybe the wiki idk. I heard it somewhere.
opal zephyr
Tidal is good on rail
alright
last dirge
Yeah not the game itself I'm sure
worn solar
if youre playing safe then usually you use athena dash
opal zephyr
i wish poseidon had a mousty
last dirge
What's that?
flat garden
he doesn't?
pliant dirge
lost charm
Gods, you guys are so fast! My best time is 23 min 😅 with Arthur and duo boons from artemis/Aphrodite
valid dagger
You can check speedrunning basics if you wanna try to go faster
There is quite a bit that goes with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI Here's a new and updated guide
lost charm
Ty!
valid dagger
And you can also join the speedrunning Discord, link is pinned in #self-promotion, lots of in-depth info there and a lot of feedback you can get to improve your play
lost charm
Ok 
hexed pendant
i love the bow and the shield
but i like all of them really, i like rail slightly less but with the right hammers its good as hell
unexpected problem: today's zeus + poseidon build is good but there are so many flashing effects i cannot see Anything
hexed pendant
do u want a tip?
hexed pendant
there's a circle that appears right before theseus does his spin attack
end boss too
unreal tree
Main thing is that during your dash you are invincible, the moment you dash strike you will become vulnerable again
In the heroes fight try to focus on asterius while staying far away from theseus and using the pillars to dodge his spear throw
hexed pendant
there's a circle that appears right before theseus does his spin attack
its a thin white line going in a circle where the spin attack will go, its your signal to block or get out of range
cunning rock
I think keeping theseus on your screen is important because sometimes the noise queue of him getting ready to throw his spear gets drowned out by other noises
the main problem I have is before asterius dies
after asterius dies the fight gets a lot easier for me since theres less visual and audio clutter
even after theseus gets half health
cunning rock
I can do the fight pretty much guaranteed if I'm using the bow but I struggle versus minotaur using a melee weapon
last dirge
Sometimes you can just kill them both at once though
Requires a high dps build
Usually this uses Hunter's Mark
Because it's ridiculous vs those 2
It just keeps toggling between the two if you keep them close
hexed pendant
I can do the fight pretty much guaranteed if I'm using the bow but I struggle ve...
do you have the hang of blocking with the shield? i think it holds up against asterius very well
cunning rock
I haven't actually played with the shield very much
I can try it out some more
I've only beaten the end boss 3 times so far, and all 3 times with the bow
hexed pendant
that was how i did it too
cunning rock
want to diversify a bit
hexed pendant
my first few clears were all with the bow
cunning rock
theseus and asterius is actually the only fight I struggle with on melee
I haven't made it to the end boss using a melee weapon but he's not a very hard boss since all of his attacks are super telegraphed (even if his damage is crazy high when he does hit lol, even without boiling blood)
hexed pendant
i find it Extremely annoying how he keeps going invincible and i keep getting interrupted
cunning rock
also stealing from charon is really funny
all of his attacks deal a stupid high amount of damage but they're relatively easy to avoid, and if you have athenas dash then I'd say its probably a free boon
turbid needle
the deflect mechanic is a life savior in this game
cunning rock
well after saying I struggled with melee weapons I just beat him first try with the sword lol
I would almost say the hades fight is easier with a melee weapon
would share a picture but it doesn't let me in this chat apparently
last dirge
I wish World Chop had an explosive effect instead of just higher base dmg
turbid needle
world splitter is kinda weird to play
last dirge
Yeah it's too hard to aim
turbid needle
does hades aid and eris dmg boost stack on each other?
quartz fractal
i just tried a 32 heat world splitter run, still more effective to dash strike
proper furnace
does hades aid and eris dmg boost stack on each other?
Ye
turbid needle
so if you greater call hades aid
thats a 175% global dmg boost
oops
holy shoot
worn solar
though already 200% from ff
last dirge
Yeah
worn solar
now add epic rush delivery
last dirge
So could be 250% if you pom billowing
350%
400%?
Its possible lol
Tidal dash with sea storm
200 damage sea storm bolts? Is that right?
I've seen a 200 base tidal dash before too
1000
olive tinsel
Anybody have some fun meme builds kinda like the meme beam that maybe aren't the best but are just fun
sterile fiber
Tempest Strike Lucifer
Tempest Strike fists
olive tinsel
Thank u
magic dagger
Anybody have some fun meme builds kinda like the meme beam that maybe aren't the...
zag sword
rush delivery
lambent plume
you can figure out the rest
cunning urchin
I wouldn't call it Tempest Strike Malphon a fun build.
More like a non-functional build.
sterile fiber
hence a meme
cunning urchin
I guess there's "fun" in there.
sterile fiber
once you get Sea Storm it's Lightning Strike At Home
worn solar
more like splitting bolt damage wise
cunning urchin
But Splitting Bolt and Lightning Strike don't push enemies out of your follow-up hits. 
sterile fiber
but where's the fun in that /s
worn solar
seastorm speeny guan yu 
cunning urchin
If you're lucky and get an epic Tempest Strike and some early poms, you can catch up with an epic Lv.1 Heartbreak Strike at around Lv.10.
last dirge
Curse of Longing Guan Yu
sterile fiber
oh thicc rifts is also fun, Ares cast, roll for Black Metal early, pom it lots, maybe get Blade Dash too
last dirge
Gilgadash. Got hit once.
My namesake remains true. It's not that 0 heat has no difficultly to me at all from hundreds of hours of play.
The shorter dashes are actually better for blade dash imo
I got a chaos boon that shortened them and barely noticed
Gilgamesh can be a cast aspect btw
Not a good one
Probably worse than Talos still
Maim is global though
With Rending Claws that's +50% damage on your cast
I've done it with Curse of Drowning, first time I got CoD. It works with Hunting Blades
Any set it and forget it cast
Trippy shot
cunning urchin
Probably worse than Talos still
That would be bad because Talos is bad.
olive tinsel
zag sword
rush delivery
lambent plume
you can figure out the rest
That's just dodging a lot and moving very fast right
cunning urchin
Excalibur Cast build and never touching Attack or Special is probably a better Cast build.
last dirge
Depends on your heat
cunning urchin
Any Heat.
last dirge
Nah I barely got hit that run
I could do a gilgamesh cast run right now and it would work. Especially if I got Rending Claws again.
worn solar
well everything works at low heat
last dirge
Yeah
magic dagger
That's just dodging a lot and moving very fast right
stacks movement speed and damage, yes
dodge chance is just a pleasant side effect
cunning urchin
Not getting hit isn't the most efficient anyway unless you're going for a no-hit run specifically.
last dirge
Agreed. I just wasnt getting hit because I was empty dashing for damage.
Plus relentless dodge
I also wasnt aiming for time. sub 20 is fine though.
shell sleet
zag sword
rush delivery
lambent plume
you can figure out the rest
RD meme build 
valid dagger
Olympian favor value gaming
worn solar
rare hermes boons
turbid needle
you keep ur distance and snipe them
worn solar
I have no idea how people use the bow
you go like dash powershot dash powershot dash powershot dash powershot dash powershot yeah thats a lot of dash powershotting https://imgur.com/a/wEvt74K
lime junco
I'll try that lol
magic dagger
yeah, the standard attack is painfully slow
severe vigil
lucid oar
mellow wolf
Help I've been playing fists with zeus attack since I started beating the game, I'm 20 wins in and now anything else I try feels clunky and terrible
valid dagger
Help I've been playing fists with zeus attack since I started beating the game, ...
Well what are you trying and why is it clunky
mellow wolf
I tried nemesis sword
It's very slow
Tried Hera bow and it's high single target damage but slow too
cunning urchin
You'll want to do Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat with Nemesis as your DPS rotation.
mellow wolf
Achilles Spear I don't really get it I don't think I understand that weapon
Ok I'll try
valid dagger
Yea get used to that rhythm
lucid oar
Achilles Spear I don't really get it I don't think I understand that weapon
Neither did I at first. Basically, 150% cast damage is A LOT
valid dagger
Not sure why Hera feels slow to you if you have massive burst damage, you basically one shot every enemy with a couple of casts then get them back and move on
mellow wolf
Waiting for the things to drop is boring lol
valid dagger
You shouldnt be waiting
cunning urchin
If you don't really know how to build Hera, it's gonna be slow.
valid dagger
On anything other than Bosses
mellow wolf
I guess I don't know how to use it then
valid dagger
What casts have you tried so far
mellow wolf
Just aphro
cunning urchin
I wrote a simple guide for Hera: #h1-discussion message
mellow wolf
Thanks I'll try yours
fallen spoke
can i get a seastorm build
valid dagger
can i get a seastorm build
Chiron -> Tempest Flourish -> Zeus' Aid -> Sea Storm/Static Discharge/Double Strike -> Splitting Bolt
From Poseidon: Razor Shoals /Tidal Dash maybe -> Wave Pounding/Breaking Wave
Breaking Wave with no Tidal dash wont be too good
But very good if you pick up the Dash
valid dagger
Breaking Wave with no Tidal dash wont be too good
Still does decent work especially in Styx tunnels
fallen spoke
ok thx
valid dagger
Other gods you might want in the pool:
Artemis for Attack/support fire/Lightning Rod
Aphrodite because weak is good, early sweet nectar is good since you have so much flat damage (worth pomming)
Demeter because Chill is good, killing freeze is nice if you pick it up, maybe Cold Fusion
Athena because defense
It's pretty versatile outside of the the two Sea Storm gods
fallen spoke
lightnig rod is kinda helpfull ngl
fallen spoke
i just had it in theseseus and asterius it killed theseus alone lol
is the zeus leg suposed to keep hitting forever
pliant dirge
Got Mirage in Tart, also got Rav Will. What keepsake should I take? Nothing interesting in Well. Beowulf btw
gusty rapids
plume is always interesting
opens up greater recall, and allows you to get hyper sprint + rush delivery in the reverse order, increasing your chances at it overall
coin purse good too, alternatively take hourglass anyways and just pray theres something in a random well 
gusty rapids
np
pliant dirge
it would
valid dagger
pliant dirge
Hm?
valid dagger
purple gud
pliant dirge
Hmm
I never know what to pick, Shop or Sisyphus/Eurydice/Pat
Okay so
Greater Recall & Epic Hyper Sprint
I'll go recall because I a l w a y s lose casts in Elysium
cunning urchin
Friendship rooms are the best time safe for IGT because they pause the timer. For RTA, just take the better reward.
valid dagger
Honestly if it's Tartarus I greed for Splitting so yea me neither
pliant dirge
No I mean as in, I get my 1 guaranteed Zeus and just that's it
He doesn't appear again until Elysium
valid dagger
Yea that's quite the experience
Switch to fists and try to do merciful end and you'll get Splitting in Tartarus off of Heaven's Vengeance
pliant dirge
That's the endgoal, more learning spawns now
both
PB is 08:03
Although I have to say, my runs really switch around from ~8:30 to not even sub10
Casual 5th Arty in Tartarus
valid dagger
valid dagger
Although I have to say, my runs really switch around from ~8:30 to not even sub1...
It's hard to be consistent to be fair
pliant dirge
It is
Like this run, Epic Jolted, Splashdash & Arty Special all in Tartarus
doesn't happen often
Hunters Mark (Rare) worth selling?
valid dagger
Why are you selling it
pliant dirge
I didn't, was just curious since the only crit is from the Special
turbid needle
HM is good for room clear
turbid needle
hm can make anything crit not just Artemis boons iirc
valid dagger
I would keep Mark
It's very nice
Helps you melt rooms especially if you get Clockets later
You'll just be bouncing it all over rooms
It's also good for Heroes
pliant dirge
Keyword: if
valid dagger
You can yea
pliant dirge
There ya go
valid dagger
Oh that's a juicy build
lone spruce
what is the best wepon?
^^^pls
valid dagger
what is the best wepon?
If you're very new still I recommend going to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers, if you're asking about base weapons (not aspects), I would say sword is probably the toughest one to play and get good results with without good practice and fundamentals, besides that all the base weapons are good and viable and there is no clear best, though the general idea is that melee weapons struggle more overall
pliant dirge
Flurry or Targeting? I know both are pretty decent. Explosive is meh
lone spruce
ok thanks
strange lark
Flurry or Targeting? I know both are pretty decent. Explosive is meh
targeting
pliant dirge
'kay cool
strange lark
global damage nice
valid dagger
I would take Targeting aswell yea
Flurry is that kind of hammer where you wanna convince yourself that it's doing work and more dmg due to faster rate of fire and bigger clip but in reality you still have no clue
Targeting buffs all your flat damage and dashes which is nice value
pliant dirge
I kinda forgot but there was something with Triple right? It doesn't reload properly or something?
turbid needle
delta chamber is pretty good
valid dagger
It takes some getting used to / might require more precise inputs (I dont have enough experience with triple rockets to say for sure), but I heard from cgull that having Special on a shoulder is comfier to press if you have triple rockets so it makes it not awkward
But I play on kbm so
pliant dirge
kbm as well
turbid needle
same
valid dagger
Yea if you feel like it go for it and experiment to see how comfy you can make it, otherwise I avoid it
strange lark
kbm gang
pliant dirge
Yea if you feel like it go for it and experiment to see how comfy you can make i...
I've had it a few times and it doesn't fit well, Rocket & Delta feels nicer
valid dagger
I would say it can hurt your dps if you cant manage the rockets yes
Because the rocket would be reloading at awkward times
Where you're trying to mash it thinking it's up
It's just weird
pliant dirge
Entered a non-boss Styx tunnel on accident as a first one
valid dagger
Nice
pliant dirge
my brain is not having a good time lmao
valid dagger
happens
pliant dirge
do I do a funny and try the Anvil? Like... the run's dead anyways
strange lark
yeah
turbid needle
hell ye
pliant dirge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843110747886190622/932724239256150097/unknown.png Guess what I lost
turbid needle
turbid needle
God <:bouldy:523329116934635534> expresses emotions I didn't even know existed
no matter what youre going through, bouldy understands, hes a true friend
pliant dirge
Yes
cunning urchin
shame the skill just *isn't there*
Your build matters a lot less for good times than the rooms you're getting, keep that in mind.
pliant dirge
Y e a I haven't seen , Pat or Chaos in a while
You really notice the timeloss
Or Rush Delivery
cunning urchin
It's also not just about getting free rooms but when you get them.
If you get three free rooms in Elysium but they're all early, your time is gonna be lot worse than if they are late in the biome.
pliant dirge
C33 & C34 ptsd
pliant dirge
True
Either 33 or 34 with unarmored Witches is pretty doable
Forgot which one it was last run
Yea like this, Chamber 2 Chaos
cunning urchin
You notice this especially in high heat speedruns. You can make it out of chamber 3 in ~16 seconds or you can make it out in 30+ seconds with some bad luck.
pliant dirge
I have (most of the times) Chamber number * 10 = time
apparently not now though, C9 and at 1:11
I know it's not great speed, but it's something
worn solar
i love it when early tart chamber or nothing but armored thugs and louts
pliant dirge
Are there any general tips for Lernie? He always take ~40-50 secs for me
valid dagger
Your dashes matter a lot for Lernie
pliant dirge
the +3 I got like 5 seconds ago should help then :)
valid dagger
Yea, well your dashes are very important on Eris in general not just for Lernie but try to practice being accurate
with them
Or watch some good rail gamers out there
their dashes are so crispy
pliant dirge
You got a clip maybe?
mellow wolf
Is gun viable on controller? I don't wanna switch to mnk for it
cunning urchin
Is gun viable on controller? I don't wanna switch to mnk for it
Absolutely.
valid dagger
You got a clip maybe?
https://youtu.be/f8cu_o4xCtM?t=653 Old but Ananke is incredible at Eris
https://youtu.be/AMb05zKj_3w?t=424 Same here from Lili but with no Rocket and no +3 Dashes, both vids timestamped
pliant dirge
Aw thank you!
valid dagger
You can also just check leaderboard
pliant dirge
pliant dirge
You can also just check leaderboard
Should've done that, sorry
valid dagger
State got third in modded like a few days ago
No it's ok
Also I think it's Eris week over at the speedrunning Discord
Could always get some good stuff there if you ask for advice / vod review
pliant dirge
Will do :)
Also jeez, ended up without BWave and god Styx is a pain then
1:20 Styx so not great
valid dagger
No clockets either?
cunning urchin
If you haven't studied chamber layouts and spawn manipulation yet, definitely do that. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/
pliant dirge
Delta
pliant dirge
pliant dirge
It's good enough if it has rarity
Epic
08:37 endtime
lvl 7 common Jolted was... fun
valid dagger
That's very good
pliant dirge
Missed a lot of easy timesaves but I'm happy with the time
Especially with pretty crack boons
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839564138640048228/932732489502437416/unknown.png All Zeus boons were epic besides Jolted lmao
cunning urchin
Your average times are very obviously improving, so just keep at it.
pliant dirge
(ran out of rolls while trying to stop Chaos from ruining everything)
Ended up with -27% Dash Distance after getting the +3
proven osprey
Nice
cunning urchin
You could honestly speed up getting sub 8 by just resetting for pace a lot more aggressively.
pliant dirge
Since I don't have the time for more runs atm I'll just go ahead and study the layouts, thanks y'all :D
proven osprey
You probably know that but pick rocket over cluster if you have a choice and try to get bwave if no clockets
pliant dirge
pliant dirge
You probably know that but pick rocket over cluster if you have a choice and try...
Modded so guaranteed first Rocket ^^
proven osprey
Yeah
pliant dirge
if possible both
but I won't go out of my way for it, just ended up getting Shoals because I ran out of rolls
fading nymph
shoals
pliant dirge
at least it was Epic Shoals
proven osprey
Love it in high heat, don't know how well it performs in any heat
Prolly not that good if you're obliterating everything
cunning urchin
Since I don't have the time for more runs atm I'll just go ahead and study the l...
Start with just focusing on the rooms that you know you're wasting the most time in.
pliant dirge
Prolly not that good if you're obliterating everything
True, lvl 7 Jolt did noticable damage
fading nymph
Shoals helps obliterate everything
last dirge
Jolted on butterfly ball tho
gloomy viper
concentrated beam, flash fire, or tripple bomb on aspect of lucifer?
last dirge
Triple
More mines is always good on lucifer
There is a room limit to them which forces old ones to explode
Triple reaches that faster
gloomy viper
ah i see
gloomy viper
ok thanks
iron rover
im doing a spear build rn and i have flurry jab so im going zeus
i just got past megaera so idk what keepsake to choose
i lost my dd which is annoying
i have storm lightning, static discharge, and zeus attack all level 2
i also have aphrodites aid
lucid oar
Did you use Zeus keepsake in Tartarus?
If not, use that. If yes, take poseidons or Athena’s for their dash
Whatever you prefer
iron rover
ah i see
damn
the most capped i can get this build is probably with the legendary, right
but ill try to get athena dash
worn solar
well id say rush delivery and a couple poms on jolted would get similar results
turbid needle
i just fought FO2 charon in tart and he 100 to zeroed me then 50 to zeroed me 3 times lmao
is it ever a non-meme choice to fight charon
or like, only if hestia
worn solar
charon is just win more
doesnt really help save a run that wouldnt win anyways that much
iron rover
whats better dash option athena or poseidon
cuz athena doesn't scale much really but it is deflect which wins sometimes on its own
cunning urchin
Better for what?
valid dagger
It’s a spear build with Zeus attack flurry jab iirc
cunning urchin
It’s a spear build with Zeus attack flurry jab iirc
Build is another matter, yeah, but I meant better for what purpose.
valid dagger
Oh that
iron rover
better not to die cuz i lost my dd
cunning urchin
Hmmm. If it's Flurry Jab, probably still Tidal Dash just to make sure you can kill everything asap.
iron rover
i never know what to get from eurydice because whats better improved rarity or levels?
cunning urchin
When in doubt, just grab Refreshing Nectar.
valid dagger
Ambrosia is usually just a gamble
worn solar
well do you have dd's
valid dagger
Usually it’s that or Acorn
Acorn is better for bossing most of the time
Tooth is good if you’re worried about dying to normal rooms /miniboss too
worn solar
dont forget collar strats
polar python
Very early on I preferred dog collar over either.
worn solar
but like do you have dd's?
worn solar
~~dont forget collar strats~~
valid dagger
Yea sadge
iron rover
cmoooooon theirs a dd replenish at chiron
valid dagger
Making it there with dds is impressive tho lol
iron rover
i cant buy it
valid dagger
Yea
iron rover
ok first room in elysium zeus or hammer
its always hammer right
im just so greedy to try and get the legendary lol
valid dagger
Well it’s spear and you have flurry
Take Zeus
Second hammer if you have flurry first doesn’t matter a whole lot
Take your second hammer over a pom or gold if you can afford to
Or just don’t take it at all that also works ig
worn solar
yeah second hammer doesnt matter much
iron rover
i cant get high voltage or double strike ahhhhh
valid dagger
Do you have storm lightning already
valid dagger
Well then you are eligible for splitting
iron rover
i though you needed bouble strike or high voltage along with storm lightning
worn solar
nah
valid dagger
i though you needed bouble strike or high voltage along with storm lightning
Just one of those 3 you mentioned here
iron rover
oh word
iron rover
what scales better storm lightning lvl3 to lvl 4 or static discharge level 2 to lvl 3
valid dagger
Static Discharge
Storm Lightning actually does nothing
Like at all
Don’t bother leveling it
You only take it to activate splitting, the boon itself doesn’t boost your damage or help it in any way
unkempt geyser
alright gameplay friends does anyone know anything about favours affecting odds of boons 
someone is supposedly claiming this. i dont believe it but i like to doublecheck with people that actually actively play
valid dagger
Odds of boons as in higher odds of being seeing boons as door rewards as opposed to centaur hearts/ obols etc?
unkempt geyser
someone was asking about chaos defiance and someone else posted this
From a similar google, I found this, may be accurate?
"Does boon rarity affects chances for Legendary/Duo?"
"No. There are five things that affect chances for Legendaries and Duos:God's Legacy (10% when maxed out in the Mirror)
having that Olympian's (or Chaos') Keepsake equipped (10%, Hermes excluded)
Favor from Chaos (10% for each Favor you have)
being under the effect of Yarn of Ariadne (10%)
being under the effect of Eurydice's Refreshing Nectar (10%)"
oh i found where they pulled this from https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ld05vb/comment/gm5qzp8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
theyre talking about the boons themselves, i see i see
that wording was really weird, i was like, favour? like the hearts? since when
valid dagger
Oh yea that does sound weird
These are correct, although looks like you figured it out
unkempt geyser
yeah, i did once i found where this person pulled this from and i got further context, they didnt leave a link to it
valid dagger
Nice
iron rover
what keepsake should i run
valid dagger
You’re entering Styx?
iron rover
yup
valid dagger
Is your Skelly DD still up
valid dagger
Do you have Acorn
valid dagger
Usually that’s the best overall for the final boss, if you struggle a bit more through the tunnels you can try Spiked Collar for more hp, also helps you tank more against the final boss ofc
Also refrain from buying anything in the Styx shop right away
Wait until you get the sack, while going through these tunnels check Wells of Charon and pray that you have 200 gold to afford a DD
That should help
valid dagger
300 poms are double poms (+2 levels)
iron rover
dunno if thats better than saving for a possible dd. But i already did see on dd in chirons room earlier so idk what the odds are
valid dagger
Idk about specific odds, but I know that there are 4 items that can be in that Well of Charon slot, just not sure how odds are spread out across them, either way, you could do the tunnels first, once you’re done with that and ready to fight the final boss you can grab whatever you want from the shop
It’s just a strategy, it doesn’t lose you anything because you can still buy whatever you want, just slightly later, and it improves your odds of actually affording a DD, if you buy stuff then go into tunnels and see a Well with a DD when you have <200 gold it’s kinda sad lol
iron rover
i died from the poison
dont even know what it was or how to stop it
tilting
went from 100 to zero in a second
turbid needle
theres these yellow pools with mandrakes chilling in hot tubs
or something
it cures poison
ending the combat also cures it
valid dagger
Yea keep an eye out for those when entering rooms
valid dagger
Temple of Styx can be like that yea
Small rooms + poison and traps
And beefy enemies
Can overwhelm you sometimes
iron rover
yeah lol
how do i get titans blood now that ive killed tarturus bosses with each weapon?
i feel like i cant get too many cool builds without investing into the aspects
turbid needle
purchasing from styx shop
fishing
trading at broker
valid dagger
Prophecies
Broker
Styx Shop for 1.2K
Final boss
iron rover
nope that was my first time
valid dagger
If you win a run you unlock bounties which help you get Titan Blood and other stuff with the same weapon
Yea that’s fine, just as long as you keep trying you’ll make it eventually
turbid needle
try to do some prophecies theyre fun
iron rover
yeah when im chilling playing not sweating a crazy build i just pick up what the prophecy needs
cunning urchin
Idk about specific odds, but I know that there are 4 items that can be in that W...
m about 99% sure it's even odds, the 1% are I don't feel like double-checking right now.
fallen spoke
can i get a flurry sword build
iron rover
im just highrolling all the hammers today
i got charge shot
and now i got my second hammer
sudden rush or breaching rush
im going for merciful end
fallen spoke
sudden was faster charge right?
fallen spoke
merciful end on shield is pretty bad but sudden is higher dps
cunning urchin
Merciful End is definitely not bad on Aegis.
worn solar
ME is great on anything
last dirge
Sudden Rush for sure
Breaching is fine as a 2nd but Charged + Sudden is amazing
Beowulf?
Cause that is good on Beowulf
I finished a typical Beowulf Flood Shot/Mirage Shot build today
cunning urchin
One thing to note about Sudden Rush if you're not used to it, it's very easy to overshoot.
last dirge
True yeah
I got cshot and breaching shot. Still great, and I got flurry strike (no clue if it actually effects bull rush though).
iron rover
i made it past theseus again basically only becaise of my hammers
havent even got the duo yet
stone harbor
Has anyone tried going zeus shield with ares special and applying ME with light ing phalanx? I just had the idea but the rng required sounds close to impossible
Or at least not worth trying for a meme build
You would prohably need hermes legendary too to make it spammable
lucid oar
Better to just apply it with attack and dash
stone harbor
I know, It's just a meme build
worn solar
if you want to do a weird ME athena cast build usually its with beo or hera
stone harbor
Those memes don't really have aoe though
worn solar
beo hits very wide, easier with cshot
lone jetty
Haha that was my first 32 Heat clear with Lucifer it’s a blast
fading nymph
my first 32 with luci was soaker
stone harbor
ME lucifer sounds way easier to do, is it better to put ares on attack or on special?
fading nymph
Attack and just use divine dash
stone harbor
Well yeah but if I need either special or attack from athena for ME anyway I might not get dash as well
fading nymph
That’s ME for ya :P
worn solar
theres really not much of a point of MEcifer if you dont have a ddash
you shoot your special too slow to make use of the duo so it just not mych different from regular doom luci with athena special
turbid needle
doom lucis beam looks cool
stable pumice
I am actually pretty happy with myself right now. Just got the furthest I've ever gotten (Bone Hydra) after so long of literally only getting to Meg
valid dagger
Nice
sullen granite
hey if I use Zeus Special with Demeter fists, does it proc 1 lightning strike per special hit if I got the special cutter charged up
or nah
worn solar
charged special hits too fast to proc independent bolts so youll only get 1
sullen granite
ah
well I guess I gotta find Athena's special at some point
Zeus, Ares, and Dionysus are p worthless on the special imo
cunning urchin
On Demeter Aspect, certainly.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally.
Divine Flourish if you're going for Merciful End.
And Frost Flourish can also be fine, though you'd usually prefer the other options if possible.
cunning urchin
Zeus, Ares, and Dionysus are p worthless on the special imo
Those three are all good on Malphon's Attack, though.
Drunken Strike less so, but it can work.
sullen granite
yeah I got Zeus on my attack
I tend to not use the god trinkets that much and kinda let RNG take the wheel on which gods I get
cunning urchin
Chthonic Coin Purse is a great keepsake to start your run with if you do that.
Pom Blossom, too.
sullen granite
yeah usually I start with the coin purse
blissful coyote
What’s a good keepsake for later in a run (Styx specifically)? I usually use Meg’s keepsake, but I’m curious to see if something else works
cunning urchin
Acorn.
worn solar
generally acorn
cunning urchin
Bone Hourglass or Sigil of the Dead for damage if you're more confident in your build.
blissful coyote
Thank you thank you
cunning urchin
If you take the Bone Hourglass through Elysium, you can check the Well before the Temple of Styx before you swap your keepsakes.
If you still have the Hourglass equipped when you buy items, they'll still get the bonus duration from the keepsake. And then you can switch to the Acorn for safety, for example.
blissful coyote
That’s interesting🤔 I’ll keep that n mind next time I boot the game up
cunning urchin
I'd also generally advise checking the Well before switching your keepsake between biomes.
Sometimes you see something good and decide to take the Hourglass instead or there's a Light of Ixion, so the Cosmic Egg could be good.
blissful coyote
Would it be possible to do an all Chaos boon run? Just incredibly tedious?
turbid needle
well people have done no boon so if you find just one chaos boon and take nothing else then yeah
blissful coyote
Excellent
worn solar
well you cant take nothing
youre gunna be forced boons whether you want them or not but you can purge them
blissful coyote
Wouldn’t it completely depend on the seed?
worn solar
wdym
turbid needle
no u r guaranteed to get at least 1 boon per region
blissful coyote
Interesting
turbid needle
best weapon for boonless is Hestia Rail with Shackle
valid dagger
You're gonna have to take a miniboss which is always gonna be a boon
blissful coyote
best weapon for boonless is Hestia Rail with Shackle
Oh then I have some grinding to do
blissful coyote
You're gonna have to take a miniboss which is always gonna be a boon
That’s no problem as long as I purge it, I think
worn solar
not like hestia is the only choice
valid dagger
There are multiple good ones
valid dagger
That’s no problem as long as I purge it, I think
Yup as long as you dont benefit from it either
Which can be a pain
worn solar
rama, zag bow, zeus shield, beo even pretty good
well thats if youre going for like leaserboard stuff
the victory message wont care
blissful coyote
well thats if youre going for like leaserboard stuff
Nah Im just doing this to satiate my own curiosity
turbid needle
if you want the dialogue u have to sell all purgables before hades and ur fine
last dirge
Shackle rama sounds great
blissful coyote
if you want the dialogue u have to sell all purgables before hades and ur fine
Excellent. I wonder if it’ll be different now that i brought the queen home
last dirge
Lmao
turbid needle
dont need to spoiler here
last dirge
Did some quick math. The 3rd hit of Arthur's combo will do 1000 dmg boonless with shackle and shadow slash
blissful coyote
Oh cool
turbid needle
i tried doing it once but i got like the worst styx rewards ever https://imgur.com/OwHQh7T
last dirge
I think you just gotta purge it
turbid needle
yea i wasnt able to purge them before hades
blissful coyote
The purge wells aren’t guaranteed in Styx, are they?
last dirge
You cant even lmao
Yeha
Like this is because you are taking no boons
Ive never seen 5 boons before
blissful coyote
Yeah that’s pretty crazy
worn solar
they arent
turbid needle
id never seen dupes before
last dirge
They arent? Thats some awful awful luck before then
candid knoll
Can you re roll to something else
worn solar
like even if you reroll youd have to have both the sack and the purging pool in the non boon door
turbid needle
yea i took 2 boons then rerolled 2 into non boons
but none of the non-boon tunnels had a pool so gg
cunning rock
I would probably just RNG reroll before going in
Odds of getting a well<odds of getting satyr sack in 2 tunnels imo
cinder mist
In AGDQ just now during the Hades run, what was the build for Achilles' Spear that was used? I caught Ares cast, Poseidon Dash and Aphrodite Special (?) but not the rest.
lucid oar
Most important are flurry jab and Tidal dash
Artemis or Zeus attack both work, with Artemis you go for hunting blades and with Zeus you go splitting bolt and jolted
Aphro special is for hopefully getting duo boons like heart rend and smoldering air
Not for damage
cinder mist
Thank you. So what god do people usually start with?
lucid oar
Poseidon
valid dagger
Thank you. So what god do people usually start with?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/ This is how Achilles is built for speedrunning usually
cinder mist
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/...
awesome, ty
Achilles is my fav aspect probably and I loved that they used Ares cast, so I got curious as to the specifics
lucid oar
Ares cast is the best one for quick bosses
valid dagger
Yea it's very popular
lucid oar
You probably want either a good cast + duo, or a juiced up Zeus call
For bosses
Cast is easier to get generally
boreal phoenix
Is a Demeter beam cast run viable if I can get the right chaos boon and the Hermes cool down boon
valid dagger
Demeter Cast without Crystal Clarity is very subpar
boreal phoenix
Fair
But it need 2 blood stones to be viable
And Regen speed is mostly key
But it means nothing if the beam duration can't keep up
vale imp
you really need Glacial Glare to upgrade the cast duration
boreal phoenix
Ye
valid dagger
Well your first priority is gonna be getting Artemis in your pool to get Crystal Clarity, if you wanna run it with Stygian then yes you do need another cast ideally, but you can also get those from wells, it's also okay with Infernal so you dont have to rely on chaos as much, the regen speed isnt a big deal for this
valid dagger
A lot of things are nice to have
If you go for Stygian the main thing that the regen speed is gonna help you with is unlocking Hermes Legendary
Which is still 1% without Legacy or other rarity buffs so I wouldnt value it too high
boreal phoenix
Yeah but this run would be mostly reliant on luck
valid dagger
Relying on Chaos is always gonna be inconsistent
drifting storm
yea i wasnt able to purge them before hades
Take vengeance boons and then don't get hit
unreal tree
i tried doing it once but i got like the worst styx rewards ever https://imgur.c...
cursed
important to remember that purging wells dont spawn if you have less than 3 purgeable boons
so the play there is actually play 3 tunnels and just pray for a well on the last 2
or roll it away with FA 
polar python
I didn't know you couldn't get purging wells with too few boons!
pastel gull
Hello,
Guys just wanted to know if athenas dash procs merciful end since i saw that was the case in a youtube video but on fuether reaserch i read on reddit that they changed it so athenas dash does not proc merciful end.
lucid oar
It does indeed proc merciful end
What was changed is that you can no longer get merciful end with just the dash, you need the attack or special instead
pastel gull
I see
lucid oar
But you can still proc with the dash
pastel gull
Superb, im going to build it tomorrow. Cant wait - looks like alot of fun!
Thank you for the speedy response :)
last dirge
Any deflect will do it
Even the call
Ares + Athena revenge will do it
It may have to be a certain order though
Of obtainment
So MEucifer wasnt great
What about CoLucifer?
Seems like that niche duo would do well here like it does on GY
My favorite build is still Snow Burst + Trippy/Ice Wine/Feast to trigger the special
I did dionysus special hoping for Blackout and it still worked
iron rover
what aspect is best for high damage casts
last dirge
For raw damage trippy flare
It has broken pom scaling
It can do over 1000 dmg per cast
I recently had trippy + mirage but sadly didnt get many good pom opportunities
iron rover
idk what aspects to unlock rn
iron rover
3 titans blood
iron rover
i have eris rn
last dirge
Get Hera then
It lets you shoot casts
It will let you try out cast builds
It's an easy source of extra damage that doesnt take much to upkeep
And works with almost anything
pastel gull
I was going to unlock hera next as well
I saw some pretty fun cast builds on youtube with hera + artimis/hunting blades and also one for aphorditie cast. Jawless paul has the videos on his youtube. Looked like quite alot of fun.
last dirge
Yeah
Lightning phalanx too
What's the best keepsake/boon to start with for MEowulf?
Got kinda a bad seed. I could get an epic attack
pastel gull
Oh i just played a lightning phlanx build for the first time a little while ago i think it was with achilies. Too good!