#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 951

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Aphrodite also has the best attack boon for a ton of weapons

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:36 AM

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Well... heartbreak flourish, different league, wave of dispair, crap

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Flourish gives 117% special damage and weak, or reduced damage from nearby enemies 13%

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 2:38 AM

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i would say flourish just for weak but it also opens cold embrace which isnt that good so idk

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dmg reduction neat ig

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Cold embrace? Duo with the ice chick?

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 2:38 AM

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yeah

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makes the beam go to you instead of enemies, bonus 30% dmg and 4 seconds extra duration

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it can be used effectivelly but crystal clarity is just easier to use

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Yeah ill avoid that

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:43 AM

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Made it to hades twice in a row but my build this time is incredibly weak see how this goes

sage lagoon Dec 28, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Wow. rocket and cluster bomb hammer put together is pretty funny. At point blank I'm doing 1400-2000 damage. My current run has it loaded with a high level/rarity Poseidon boon, so even at far range everything just bounces to death.

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 3:53 AM

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2nd person who has clockets today with tempest flourish in this chat dusa

sage lagoon Dec 28, 2021, 3:54 AM

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I am kind of tempted to just push it as far as possible with the last charon store, but I need the blood 😦

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I also could have gotten pressure points instead of the cast for a small chance to triple that. Oh well. fun game

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level 11 heroic tempest florish

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 4:06 AM

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just did my first clockets run (zag aspect, demeter special boon). absolutely insane damage on this thing

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forgot to screenshot the victory screen sadly

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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so many clockets today

terse thistle Dec 28, 2021, 6:05 AM

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It’s a clocket day so happy. Mine is doom clockets. shadesmile thanthink

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:05 AM

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Oh no bouldy

terse thistle Dec 28, 2021, 6:05 AM

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It got the job done squirtheh

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:06 AM

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I mean it’s clockets still

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But doom is almost the same as just not having a boon

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 6:07 AM

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counterpoint: merciful end

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Even 200 damage doom is doing less than a common lvl 1 frost or divine flourish (the two specials with the lowest %)

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:07 AM

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noble onyx counterpoint: merciful end

How does that help bouldy

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 6:07 AM

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good point i dont know where i was going w that

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Doom on clockets is really bad

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 6:09 AM

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somehow my brain didnt parse that he meant doom on the special. this was the source of my bizarre post

terse thistle Dec 28, 2021, 6:10 AM

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The fact that a bad clocket shredded Elysium is funny enough for me…. And dad too shadesmile

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:11 AM

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Well it’s clockets still

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400 base damage

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Put Dire Misfortune for more stonks

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:13 AM

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LMAO

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40 extra damage bouldy

terse thistle Dec 28, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Das a lotta damage shadesmile

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:14 AM

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No bouldy

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Heart Rend clockets dusa

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PB unloading into mark

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 6:55 AM

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i have an idea for a meme: bi flag build. aphro attack & special, dio cast, pos or dem dash & call

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thought of this when i had a run with this god pool

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and zag has a boyfriend and a girlfriend so

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 6:57 AM

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battie+butterfly whole run

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Probably good on Hestia

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 6:57 AM

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ice wine

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 6:58 AM

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Poseidon dash to get Sweet Nectar

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 6:58 AM

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yesss and exclusive access

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Lucifer should be ok too

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Though tbh at low heat Poseidon dash can do everything

shell sleet Dec 28, 2021, 8:08 AM

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long escarp Even 200 damage doom is doing less than a common lvl 1 frost or divine flourish ...

atleast its better than drunk clockets bouldy

unreal tree Dec 28, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Can always just shackle

worn solar Dec 28, 2021, 8:16 AM

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eris double dipping stonks

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tbh spread out the doom is good dmg. though like eris already kills everything before doom procs so...

cunning urchin Dec 28, 2021, 8:54 AM

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shell sleet atleast its better than drunk clockets <:bouldy:523329116934635534>

Drunken Flourish applies 5 stacks all at once. Curse of Pain applies 1 stack.

shell sleet Dec 28, 2021, 8:56 AM

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cunning urchin Drunken Flourish applies 5 stacks all at once. Curse of Pain applies 1 stack.

youve got a point there

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so i guess lightning clockets would be the real worst one?

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1 bolt for 5 rockets

cunning urchin Dec 28, 2021, 9:20 AM

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lol yeah.

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 10:02 AM

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dire misfortune clockets zagPls

unreal tree Dec 28, 2021, 10:56 AM

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proven osprey dire misfortune clockets <:zagPls:818342883056680980>

I remember one time I got forced into common unpommed doom special with hazard hestia

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It was chamber 34

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It did not help

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 10:56 AM

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bouldy

potent pier Dec 28, 2021, 11:33 AM

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how do Curse of Longing and Dire Misfortune interact

lucid oar Dec 28, 2021, 11:42 AM

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You can’t utilise both at the same time

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 11:46 AM

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I was told to go for shield of zeus to get the hidden but its description sounds terrible?

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The shield is super weak even with 8 base damage?

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 11:50 AM

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bright vine I was told to go for shield of zeus to get the hidden but its description sounds...

It’s one of the strongest aspects in the game

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But it’s really hard to play

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Goes to 30 base damage

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Yea at first level it’s probably not too insane but it’s still good

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 11:51 AM

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Yeah, try thunder flourish and more zeus

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Although any special will work

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Which is quite insane

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 12:50 PM

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Is it better to pom deadly strike or hunters dash? I' using base sword

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 12:55 PM

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First pom is ok on deadly strike, after that it's a bit sad

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so I'd go hunter dash

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whose scaling is not the best either but heh

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Pom deadly 1 time then dash?

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Or just focus dash iyo?

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 12:58 PM

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attack once and then dash yeah

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 12:58 PM

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So with thanatos i am never able to give him nectar do i have to let him with the kill count?

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And is athena's cast any good? I got special with deflect, reduced trap damage and the cast not great options

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I dont think special deflect is good i dont use it alot

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:03 PM

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If you can still give nectar, it doesn't matter who wins, he'll be at the house when you get back and you can give nectar there (provided he isn't talking to someone else)

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Oh so not in a run gotcha

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:03 PM

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ye

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Athena cast is pretty good, nice damage, if you send it to a range enemy it can deflect for you

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can be hard to control tho

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:06 PM

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Oh i gave him nectar after the fight this time didnt need to be in the house weird

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:06 PM

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I'm not a Thanatos expert, it depends on your relationship stage ithink

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Does artemis and the ice chick go together?

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:07 PM

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If you mean their duo, yes

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Which ones duo?

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Artemis and Demeter

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:07 PM

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I have deadly strike hunters dash

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And can pickup demeter or hermes

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:09 PM

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If your cast slot is empty you can try Demeter for Crystal Beam, then look for either of them again for their duo

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Get Glacial Glare from Demeter too

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:11 PM

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I would not tbh

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Boiling blood is pretty good on crit builds

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:11 PM

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A tad late astaos just went demeter and got the call, frozen special and frozen touch which sucks, just gonna take the call

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:12 PM

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that's fine as long as you don't take the cast

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cast, cast.

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:12 PM

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hot take Demeter call isn't bad

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:12 PM

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yeah it's not the worst

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:12 PM

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the only one you can drop and bail

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iguess Aphro Artemis too but they're single target

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:13 PM

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Is it good to use in single uses? Seems alright on its own

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:13 PM

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I would say that almost every call is better on their lesser version

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Really thought only the drunk call was besides this

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:14 PM

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dio's greater call is detrimental because you waste damage

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Exactly

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:14 PM

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compared to lesser

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:15 PM

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unless you have a terribly large group of enemies

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 1:15 PM

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well you need a full gauge

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So the enemies are dead if it's full already right

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:17 PM

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If you play correctly yeah

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Who shows up in which areas like sysyphus in the first area

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Eurydice in 2nd, Pat in 3rd

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Cerberus in 4th

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Is flurry slash or cruel thrust better on base sword?

cunning urchin Dec 28, 2021, 2:00 PM

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bright vine Pom deadly 1 time then dash?

You wanna look for Hunter's Mark and pom that.

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:01 PM

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I know

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Talkin about hammers though

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I took the thrust

unreal tree Dec 28, 2021, 2:15 PM

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bright vine Is flurry slash or cruel thrust better on base sword?

You never want to use the normal attack on sword, only dash strike

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Its a lot more dps

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So try to get double edge>breaching slash>piercing wave

rare salmon Dec 28, 2021, 2:29 PM

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I figure I should finish up the Fated List - I have several Pacts I need to complete. Can I just go super low heat runs with those pacts enabled? It doesn't have to be a progression run, right?

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 2:30 PM

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rare salmon I figure I should finish up the Fated List - I have several Pacts I need to comp...

Yea you can just each of the pact alone and it would count

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Doesn't have to be a bounty

rare salmon Dec 28, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Cool 🙂 Now which weapon is the fastest 🤔 😆

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:46 PM

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On bow ive got hammers for perfect shot, sniper shot, piercing volley
Torn between piercing and perfect

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Got thunder bolts for special great aoe

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 2:48 PM

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What aspect

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Base

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Perfect

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Your Special is very weak on base bow

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You barely even use it

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:49 PM

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rare salmon Cool 🙂 Now which weapon is the fastest 🤔 😆

The fastest? Beowulf or Achilles I guess

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:49 PM

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I didnt love achilles spear

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Achilles is tough

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:50 PM

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~~neither do I tbh~~

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Spears suck squirtyay

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I like base spear tbh

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:50 PM

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What

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 2:51 PM

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It was my fav weapon too before I started doing aspects

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It's easy to cheese with cmpared to the other zag aspects

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 2:51 PM

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rare salmon Cool 🙂 Now which weapon is the fastest 🤔 😆

Achilles Beowulf Eris Hestia Hera Nemesis Demeter can all go really fast

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Zag spear is like Achilles but without the parts that are interesting. Unless you get exploding launcher I guess. But for a weapon to be dependent on a single hammer to be remotely good or interesting is very bad.

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:51 PM

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I like being able to distance myself for chaos damage

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Oh boy, spamming base Zag spear special

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Sounds like a 35+ minute run bouldy

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 2:52 PM

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What does zag slear do?

shell sleet Dec 28, 2021, 2:52 PM

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long escarp Zag spear is like Achilles but without the parts that are interesting. Unless yo...

swords bouldy

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Honestly no swords are still interesting without DEdge, just much worse

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Zag spear is not only weak but also very uninteresting because not a single attack does mediocre damage without EL

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 2:59 PM

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yea but before you start upgrading aspects it's easier to cheese with the spear than with any other weapon. imo at least. the reason i'm defending this comparitavely weak weapon is that i will never repay my debt to it for getting me my first few clears ok

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 2:59 PM

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But it takes so long to do anything if you play like that

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:00 PM

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i am not a fancy speedrunner person. i like Surviving

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:00 PM

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I’m not saying to speedrun bouldy

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I just prefer my runs to be under 40 minutes

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:00 PM

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i know it takes long. but it was take my time or die for me at the point of my first few clears

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the tortoise and the hare

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:01 PM

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I mean I get it, I got my early clears with Chiron. Which is like that same thing but with 10x the dps bouldy

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:02 PM

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i hadnt bought gun yet so i wasnt upgrading aspects

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iirc

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Oh you won that early?

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I took absolutely forever

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I was a slow learner

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:02 PM

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no i took forever... i think i just didn't get many keys???? idk really

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:02 PM

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???

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 3:02 PM

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potent pier how do Curse of Longing and Dire Misfortune interact

you get a slightly bigger number, but the video I saw it from uses to codex mod and not actual gameplay

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:04 PM

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long escarp ???

i'll have to check in the admin chamber. i did take like 40 runs but i don't remember having upgraded aspects yet

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:04 PM

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How does that happen

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:07 PM

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ok i'm boo boo the fool, i HAD upgraded aspects, i just didn't try achilles spear for ages bc i was scared of giving up the spear recall hit, and also was low on blood. my first clear was actually with nem sword in 42mins and my next few clears alternated between zag spear, nem sword, chaos shield.

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I was misremembering because default spear is the weapon I had on all 3 of my new-area runs (asphodel first time, elysium first time, styx first time technically lv2 zag spear) and all 3 of those runs got me all the way to the new area boss so i formed an attachment to it as a powerful cheese tool

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so it was my comfort cheese weapon for exploration'

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Tempest strike on bow worth? Percebtage seems low for damage and other option is sunken treasure which seems like a 1 time reward

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:10 PM

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God no

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Tempest Strike is terrible

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Literally one of the worst boons in the game

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Sunken treasure it is

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It was epic too with 55% damage knew that was really bad

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Doesn’t matter if treasure is bad, yeah

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You just want to leave your attack slot open

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Oh is treasure bad?

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:12 PM

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To get an actually good boon

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Yeah it does like nothing

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The health is tiny, the gold is tiny, and the darkness and gemstones are not only tiny but also don’t even affect your run

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Sadly the 3rd is tidal dash but i got athena's and never give that up if i get it

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Oh treasure gave me a nectar i'll call that worth

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Oh did you get a pom level out of it?

noble onyx Dec 28, 2021, 3:15 PM

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or are you too new to have gotten that work order?

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Nope

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Damn hermes or hammer

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Relentless volley, point blank shot, concentrated volley

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:24 PM

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What weapon

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Base bow?

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Yeh

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Point blank ig

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 3:52 PM

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I just wanna mention after beating hades firt time getting to him ive made it to him 4 times in a row and died to him sadge

But i got no attack boon offered lightning strike, high voltage and cloud judgement, tempted to take cloud to get god power up during the hades fight (poseidon call)

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But no damage % on lightning strike blows and idk about high voltage

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Yeah if you get lightning strike on a slow weapon it's a slog

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hunt for Static Discharge copium tho

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:13 PM

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Ok never using bow again bloody impossible to kill hades with that slow stuck in place BS

unreal tree Dec 28, 2021, 4:15 PM

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bright vine Ok never using bow again bloody impossible to kill hades with that slow stuck in...

Always dash strike

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You should never slowly charge up the attack

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Dash and then powershot

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Its a lot faster

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 4:16 PM

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getting gud also works

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:16 PM

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I' aware made no different lost all 3 revives and died by the end of the first hp bar

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Couldnt dps the skulls no aoe for mobs just trash

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:17 PM

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bright vine Ok never using bow again bloody impossible to kill hades with that slow stuck in...

Yes bow needs an actual build to do decent damage

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You can’t just throw anything on there

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It will be miserable

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Does resetting the game change which weapon has the dark effect

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Wym resetting

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Closing and reopening

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

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No

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

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no

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Just die in a run

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When you come back to the house it'll be different

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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So i can die to the first room easy enough

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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That's usually what resetting means

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Dying to change the seed yea

vestal mortar Dec 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Mine is only a few weapons

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it's weird

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Also whats the easiest stat to change for challenge runs i only need 1 heat

vestal mortar Dec 28, 2021, 4:20 PM

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it's never bow or gun

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or sword

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Just bad luck

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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bright vine Also whats the easiest stat to change for challenge runs i only need 1 heat

Wym “challenge runs”

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Heat

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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You want the easiest 1 heat?

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Yep

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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TD1

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Or EM1

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Techbique might screw me a bit but ill do the timelimit

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:23 PM

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TD3 free 6 heat ez dusa

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Wow this seems like easily the worst hammer ive ever seen
Base shield
Dashing flight
Empowered flight
Explosive return

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Yikes

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Base shield special is such a joke

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It’s unfortunate

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No reason it had to be that bad

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Even if i have 1 blood what shield aspect would be worth over base shield?

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Zeus costs 2 blood but it’s amazing

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Even at lvl 1, if you put Zeus special on it it’s pretty good

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Thunder strikes?

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Yes

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Zeus shield with Zeus special

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It’s kinda hard to play though, to be fair

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Ok ill see if i can get it or might get a rail aspect cuz rail was an easier run than other weapons

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Eris and Hestia are both fantastic

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Hestia for boonless runs

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Hestia for anything

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Also that

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:32 PM

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But yes Hestia is best for both boonless and hitless

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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I must try hitless again. Other guy keeps tagging me with the spear.

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Hitless or damageless?

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Maybe I'll even try boonless hitless.

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Don’t worry about that until you’ve done hitless

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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I consider taking chaos not a hit

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:33 PM

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I don’t take chaos

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Also no Poseidon, Ares, or Athena call, or dodge% or deflect boons

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:34 PM

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I could try damageless first I guess. Have done Dad enough times with Acorn charges left

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:34 PM

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If i get rocket bomb and cluster bomb which ones better to stsrt off with

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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bright vine If i get rocket bomb and cluster bomb which ones better to stsrt off with

What aspect

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Base

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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With eris, cluster

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Rocket is better imo

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Rocket is more comfy to use/cluster if you want slighty more chances for clockets

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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polar python With eris, cluster

I don’t agree

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Eris boosted rocket with fiery 1-shots every enemy in Tartarus

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:37 PM

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I suppose you just face a wall to self boost

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Or an enemy

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Or an enemy

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Ez

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Lmao

polar python Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Heh

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Rail is a melee weapon with some range after all

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Eris is a melee weapon

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Lightning strike is great on guns right?

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Zag rail is even more of a melee weapon

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Hestia is ranged though

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Yeah lightning is good

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Zag rail has less range than sword when I play it dusa

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Spread Fire Zag Rail is pretty good and it’s the only thing that forsaken aspect is good for

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Budget eris still works

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Ewww

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Barely

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Turns out the 75% global damage is pretty important bouldy

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And extra ammo doesn’t exactly make up for it

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 4:41 PM

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long escarp Turns out the 75% global damage is pretty important <:bouldy:523329116934635534>

I feel that when doing zap fists lol

shell sleet Dec 28, 2021, 4:47 PM

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long escarp And extra ammo doesn’t exactly make up for it

its called budget eris for a reason bouldy

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Killing freeze or frost flourish for base guns, the dmg on flourish seems crap but killing freeze seems almost useless

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Killing freeze is amazing

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But how are you applying chill?

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:16 PM

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long escarp But how are you applying chill?

Call

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And crystal beam

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 5:17 PM

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You have glacial glare?

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Oh nvm crystal doesnt apply without the other skill

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Yeah

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:27 PM

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So every enemy on screen has to be chilled for it to apply right? That's how i interperated the text

lucid oar Dec 28, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Yeah

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Seems good for bosses just not normal rooms

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I have rocket bomb base guns should i take
Delta chamber
Targeting system
Explosive fire

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I think targeting system

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Yeah targeting

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Or delta if you want I frames on your dash attack

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Frost flourish 82% damage
Or snow burst (with killing freeze)

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Leaning on flourish since im coming up to mino and shield dude

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 5:44 PM

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bright vine Seems good for bosses just not normal rooms

Generally yes

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Weapon?

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Base gun

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 5:45 PM

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I’d take delta

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But you probably already made that choice

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Delta? I took flourish

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 5:46 PM

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hmmm I'll take Flourish

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Oh the hammer yeah a while ago

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Killing Freeze can be good if you can Snow Burst them both at once

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Figured the extra damage on special was more handy for the fight

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 5:47 PM

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ye

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 6:22 PM

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For the contractor any upgrades that stand out to take for diamonds? I have 3 can save for erebus gates(dont know what they do) or something, i don't really care for the 20% gems with darkness since they arent used for any upgrades anymore

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Nectar vintage looks good
The key one for reroling boons
And erebus gateways

proper furnace Dec 28, 2021, 6:26 PM

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erebus gates needs 5 heat (tart)/10 heat (aspho)/15 heat (elysium) to enter, they offer better rewards than your normal door

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you need to clear it no hit tho

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otherwise you get onion

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 6:26 PM

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eww might not get that yet then

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Do you guys use olympian favor or dark foresight in the mirror?

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Dark Foresight is much stronger

ruby smelt Dec 28, 2021, 6:47 PM

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bright vine Do you guys use olympian favor or dark foresight in the mirror?

I prefer Olympian Favor with Gods Legacy because I like duo builds but it depends on your play style

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 6:50 PM

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It really doesn't depend on your playstyle, Olympian Favor is not comparable to Dark Foresight in terms of helping you escape and have stronger builds

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If you're not aiming for a specific Duo then Pride is also stronger than Legacy

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:56 PM

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bright vine Do you guys use olympian favor or dark foresight in the mirror?

Dark Foresight 1000% of the time

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It’s so much better it’s actually insane

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It’s staggering how massive the difference is

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 6:57 PM

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ruby smelt I prefer Olympian Favor with Gods Legacy because I like duo builds but it depend...

You will get way more boons if you use dark foresight

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Also Olympian favor only helps with rare boons and have zero impact on duos

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thanthink

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Dice for nothing because you dont get boons

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bouldy

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Why would you want darkness over centaur hearts

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Why would you want gemstones over gold

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:02 PM

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~~exactly, thats why you shouldnt use dark foresight~~

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Why would you want rerolls over boons and hammers

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:03 PM

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strange lark ~~exactly, thats why you shouldnt use dark foresight~~

lmao

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:03 PM

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That just does not make sense

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:03 PM

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It does

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:04 PM

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It does thanthink

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:04 PM

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It matters a lot if your first hammer is in Elysium

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Fact: Dark Foresight gives you on average 6 more gold laurel rewards. SIX

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That’s 6 more poms, boons, hearts, or gold (and gold equals any of the others via the shops)

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:05 PM

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late hammers are sad

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:05 PM

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??????

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:05 PM

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bruh

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:05 PM

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bruh indeed

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:05 PM

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Bro

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:05 PM

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nah

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Well the best thing you could do is compare two runs side by side, one with Dark Foresight and one with Olympian Favor

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Although it's very obvious

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:09 PM

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without foresight youre gonna have a lot less boons and health

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:09 PM

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If you want to complete more runs you can't really argue that getting less Health, Gold, Boons is the correct choice

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Because it's not

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And poms

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Alongside the early hammer, which some weapons rely on like a spear getting flurry jab etc

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:11 PM

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double dash 90% of the time

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Ruthless Reflex is good on Shields and Gilgamesh

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And nothing else

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The second dash is too good, and playing with RR on other than those is very challenging and usually not worth the effort it takes to learn it

unreal tree Dec 28, 2021, 7:13 PM

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valid dagger And nothing else

scratch in shambles

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/919595992901373993/26A43CDC-51B5-42FA-9E3D-5D890A9D5AF2.gif

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Yea this is why I included the part afterwards bouldy

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Is doom on attack for achilles spear good?

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Not really no

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Ill take blade rift dash then

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:14 PM

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nah

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Other option is doom on special

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:15 PM

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take that

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and then get poseidon dash

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:15 PM

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I take poseidon or athena whichever i get first

unreal tree Dec 28, 2021, 7:20 PM

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strange lark nah

Its amazing for bossing

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Serrated point good? Figure it lowers my iframes

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Otherwise extending jab or vicious skewer

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:26 PM

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bright vine Serrated point good? Figure it lowers my iframes

Is this your first Achilles hammer

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Yep

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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I’d take extending

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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You could take Serrated

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Leave yourself open for flurry

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And for a cast build with the ability to keep your full dash range

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Oh extending takes away flurry?

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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You can get Serrated and Flurry into Styx anvil and cheese one out

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Serrated is atleast some damage

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Extending isnt

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:27 PM

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bright vine Oh extending takes away flurry?

No, serrated doesn’t either but it makes flurry bad

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Whoch gods mix with ares? I usualy take ice to go for casts or call but dont wanna use up my slots if i dont need to

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Athena for ME

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Artemis for Hunting Blades

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:30 PM

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On Achilles take Artemis and get Hunting Blades

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Generally you want to have your build at least kinda planned out before hand

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Idk i like ice on every weapon so far the cast is so powerful and idm the call

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:36 PM

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That’s funny because I like ice on zero out of 24 weapons bouldy

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Outside of snow burst on Beo and Hera ig
And frost flourish is alright on Rama although it’s still my 4th pick dusa

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But that barely counts

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Define “good”

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No I mean, what do you mean by “good”

valid dagger Dec 28, 2021, 7:39 PM

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If you have Crystal Clarity it's not bad

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If not it's awful

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Yeah

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Exactly

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I mean it’s very bad at speedrunning and high heat

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So how do you define good

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Because if you mean it can shred at low heat with the right boons, then I agree

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If you mean it’s an optimal build for any weapons then I disagree

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If you mean it’s fun and it works then I agree

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:42 PM

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"with the right boons"

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:42 PM

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If you mean it’s actually a good option for challenging runs outside of building around it and forcing an exact build (which even then is no better than good), then I disagree

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Define optimal

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:43 PM

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It’s all hinging on your definition of good

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Optimal = the best option? Options are very variable.

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:43 PM

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According to my definition of “good”, Crystal Beam is very much not good bouldy

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Sometimes Demeter is optimal

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:43 PM

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When outside of snow burst is that true

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Snow Burst and Killing Freeze are the only good Demeter boons tbh

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:43 PM

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It's in your pool already and say you may as well fill Achilles special

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You don't have a better option

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Yes but that’s not optimal. Aphrodite would fill that slot better.

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Aphrodite may not be an option

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:44 PM

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You’re settling for a worse option

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Hence why I said define optimal

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Which sometimes is necessary

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But not optimal

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Optimally you don’t have to settle for a worse option

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:45 PM

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If optimal is the best of available options given how you have set up the run

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Ig sure

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Thats a definition

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I didn’t say it’s useless, but it’s never the best thing you could have (or even close)

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Outside of Snow Burst because that boon is really good

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I think it's pretty strong on Achilles

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Frost Flourish?

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Nothing on Beo ofc

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No beam

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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No flourish is “pretty strong” on Achilles bouldy

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Especially clarity

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Beam?

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Eh

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Clarity is pretty good

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Without clarity is truly terrible

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Well its like hunting blades

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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No

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Slicing Shot is not too bad

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Sure but it's not optimal

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Until you get Engulfing and maybe HB

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Hunting Blades is better than Crystal Clarity though

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:47 PM

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It's a weaker starting cast than other options

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Sure

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:47 PM

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HB is better than CC, and base slicing is better than base beam

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So…

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Fair

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Much faster application method. Same idea as beams on Achilles.

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:48 PM

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But I agree it’s not bad if you get the right build. Plus it’s fun for casual runs, which doesn’t entirely factor into how good it is, but it definitely gives the boon at least a bit more of a purpose

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Since they are often long lasting casts which benefits from Achilles

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The issue really with Demeter is the way she like

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Is supposed to be between the two god types kinda?

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Percentage boon and curse boon

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But she isnt great at either

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:49 PM

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wish I had maim rn

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:49 PM

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But she doesn’t do either particularly well bouldy

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Yep

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:49 PM

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turbid needle *wish I had maim rn*

~~why~~

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:49 PM

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And then her boons are also at least from all my experience, harder to get

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I dont think lower rarity, but she has tougher boon branching

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:50 PM

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long escarp ~~why~~

Because my luck getting the codeword from astierus is nonexistent

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Beams suffer from Glacial Glare not unlocking any chill synergy

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Keep trying. It takes a while.

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Go through all Asterius dialogues. He will be much more silent when those are done.

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I've done 30 runs with the fists

last dirge Dec 28, 2021, 7:51 PM

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And if that is the newest option then you should just get it once the pool is shallower

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Yep

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:51 PM

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turbid needle *wish I had maim rn*

you wish you could take 50% extra damage?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Kol

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Lol

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And beat the story because my luck is poopop

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:54 PM

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turbid needle Because my luck getting the codeword from astierus is nonexistent

You’re not missing much

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:54 PM

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I want the auto dash targeting

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:54 PM

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?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Because then I can Become brainless

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:55 PM

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That’s not a thing

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Auto dash targeting?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Gilgameshes dash attack auto targets

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I think

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Oh dash attack?

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Maybe?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:55 PM

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I think it does

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Idk I don’t attack with Gilgamesh

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bouldy

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The attack and especially dash strike are weak, slow, and unsafe

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:56 PM

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I WOULDN'T KNOW BECAUSE ASTIERUS WONT GIVE ME IT

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Again, you’re really not missing much

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:57 PM

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I want da furniture bear claws

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Furniture?

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Funni

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 7:57 PM

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furniture

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:57 PM

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🪑

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Yes

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Wait

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If you want furniture

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Try Beowulf bouldy

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Lol

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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It’s basically a table

proven osprey Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Builds and combat never changes

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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I seek deth

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Oh then don’t use Beo, too good you’ll never die bouldy

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:58 PM

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I want da furry claws ok

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 7:59 PM

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You’ve mentioned that

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 7:59 PM

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I am in physical pain

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DAMMIT

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Ahem NEVERMIND

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Nice

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 8:20 PM

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About to vs hades and can take crystal beam (have no casts or other buffs for them) or i take killing freeze (with ice call)

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Why are you castless in Styx with Achilles?
Up to you ig, both seem fine. I’d lean towards killing freeze though, even though it’s not doing a ton because it’s just the call

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Just never found a cast, no blades, no ice, i could only take athena instead of the dash which would never happen

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 8:23 PM

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athena cast on achilles is really good tho

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 8:24 PM

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I dislike it but the dash is my favourite alongside poseidon

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Bought a dionesis before i head in for trippy shot or a nectar and think ill take the nectar lol

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Castless run 😆

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Why not plan your run before you do it?

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That way you can start with a good cast and force the secondary god you need for Asphodel

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I dont know enough about the game also havent given nectar to most of the gods to force them plus rng idk i'm doing pretty well making it up until i get into higher head, i make it to hades basicly every run and beat him half the time or so

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I always win with shield spear and guns, struggle heavily with gauntlets and bow, and sword is average 50/50

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Do whatever you find fun. I do suggest planning a bit though because you’ll get stronger builds more often. But if it works for you, then don’t let me tell you how to play 👍

bright vine Dec 28, 2021, 8:36 PM

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🙃

forest crow Dec 28, 2021, 8:55 PM

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out of curiosity, does the game get harder once you ||bring Persephone back home||?

strange lark Dec 28, 2021, 8:56 PM

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i mean yeah if you turn up the heat

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if you dont then no

forest crow Dec 28, 2021, 8:56 PM

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huh

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my gamer skills must be devolving 😔

sterile fiber Dec 28, 2021, 9:12 PM

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It's a thing in performing arts too, the solution is to either practice deliberately or take a break

cunning urchin Dec 28, 2021, 9:52 PM

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In Hades, quality typically entails quantity, meaning you usually only get a high quality build through a large quantity of gold laurel rewards. More gold laurel rewards means a greater chance to get crucial boons for your build and powerful boons that you can splash for extra damage or utility... like a greater chance to find Divine Dash in any build, for example. It also means finding more poms and a greater chance to find boons that have excellent pom scaling. It means more often being able to buy items from shops and wells. And it means getting more max HP. Most boons also just scale a lot better with getting other key boons or getting poms than just being rare instead of common.

We didn't have Dark Foresight at all in Early Access because it was bugged. When 1.0 was released and Dark Foresight finally worked (and also got a buff), it had a huge impact on the high heat meta almost immediately. Pretty much all the builds we'd considered "broken" and rare before became standard now. 50+ Heat clears changed from having like 3-4 boons on victory screens to 10+ boons and from 200-300 max HP to often 400+, which would have been absolutely ridiculous before Dark Foresight.

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Well said Nyaa

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Ok so like how do you play aspect of excaibur

pliant dirge Dec 28, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Big number go bigger

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Pretty much

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:27 PM

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I see

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Aphrodite attack

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Go from there

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Hoarding slash pog?

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:32 PM

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No bouldy

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It’s bad in general, but incredibly bad on Arthur

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Okey good thing didnt take it then

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Good thing

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It also incentivizes you to not spend gold which is really not something you should do

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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you want shadow slash, breaching slash or double edge

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Buying boons is good

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Yes good

cunning urchin Dec 28, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Greater Consecration is also very nice.

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:34 PM

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I got piercing wave, supernova and hoarding thing

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Supernova is not bad

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Not very good

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But it does more than the other two probably

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Oh yeah chaos too

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Its all comin together

turbid needle Dec 28, 2021, 10:36 PM

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i forgot its gets piercing

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thats also a good one

long escarp Dec 28, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Oh yeah

tall cloak Dec 28, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Big number

fallen spoke Dec 29, 2021, 2:27 AM

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how do you oblierate hades with an op build

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Beowulf

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 2:34 AM

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get good boons
use good boons
profit

fallen spoke Dec 29, 2021, 2:36 AM

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long escarp Beowulf

dont have my 5 blood on shields so

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 2:36 AM

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Tragic

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Eris: Lightning Strike, Jolted, Tidal Dash

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Shoot for clockets if possible

fallen spoke Dec 29, 2021, 2:40 AM

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ok

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 2:51 AM

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~~easy sub 10~~

fallen spoke Dec 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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first i need luck

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Re: spear point, I think I've figured out when its good

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Acorn rewards skill. Spearpoint doesnt.

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:38 AM

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bouldy

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:38 AM

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So if you are just screwing around, you'll probably just waste acorn anyway

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I dont take defensive keepsakes while screwing around, but I think that's its purpose

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And like poison res

shell sleet Dec 29, 2021, 4:41 AM

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spearpoint is good on EM4 though

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:42 AM

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But how do you manage to get hit twice within 1.5 seconds

shell sleet Dec 29, 2021, 4:42 AM

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butterfly ball

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sneak

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:42 AM

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Ok…

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But

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You’re negating very small amounts of damage

shell sleet Dec 29, 2021, 4:43 AM

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as opposed to acorn negating even smaller amounts of damage there?

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Tooth

shell sleet Dec 29, 2021, 4:43 AM

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tooth is probably better yeah

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:43 AM

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I prefer acorn because I often take a spear to the face

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But it’s hard to imagine an argument that spearpoint is better than tooth tbh

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Tooth is a fair argument tbf

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As just a solution to acorn

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Because its simple

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It also doesnt necessarily benefit from skill, it just works.

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:49 AM

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I will simply get good summon RNG

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:49 AM

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So for something like speed running, where spearpoint could edge out over acorn, you just have tooth

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Which has the same benefits but is better

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Maybe if you banned tooth for a challenge

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It would become an option

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:50 AM

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Lmao

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If a keepsake is only viable when you ban the better option, that’s not a great sign bouldy

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:51 AM

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It's just the best end keepsake usually, from starting off to high heat

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Yeah

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Like what do I use it for? Curbstomping dad.

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No dd lost. Spearpoint makes that easy.

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Low/no heat ofc

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:52 AM

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Acorn is definitely better for HL5 non-EM4 dad

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:52 AM

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Mostly because I'm like, guaranteed to be max

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Yeah I can see how spearpoint is nice on em4

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Thats usually how I end up using it anyway

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I take it became I have em4 enabled and nothing else

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Yeah but like why not use tooth

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Not much reason

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Tooth is especially better if you’re using HL0

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Like I said, losing no dds

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That's really it

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Because tooth requires you to lose dd

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 4:54 AM

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thanthink

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Interesting logic

last dirge Dec 29, 2021, 4:54 AM

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Hm. Maybe with what's it called

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The trap heat

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Something you probably just avoid entirely except for prophecies or when you have no choice

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Sometimes you need weird logic to figure out the thought process behind a game dev decision

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 7:22 AM

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last dirge So if you are just screwing around, you'll probably just waste acorn anyway

You can't "waste" Acorn. If you tank 5 hits, you tank 5 hits.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 9:59 AM

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tanking 5 hits from bball is much less value than 5 hits from superdad

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Compared to what would have happened on tooth I would call that wasted

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:00 AM

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long escarp But it’s hard to imagine an argument that spearpoint is better than tooth tbh

If you have an athena dd and patty

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:00 AM

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The context wasn't EM4.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:01 AM

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yeah but in general you can waste acorn

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:01 AM

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I remember in my zag rail 53 I just forgot how to play the game for 10 seconds and lost 4 acorn hits from 4 normal dad attacks

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Still won lol

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:02 AM

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Tanking 4 normal dad attacks is still a lot of value with HL5.

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:02 AM

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It is

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Tooth is only like 2-3 hits at that point

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:03 AM

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unreal tree If you have an athena dd and patty

^ the more health you have the more effective spearpoint is

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but still very hard to beat acorn

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:04 AM

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fading nymph ^ the more health you have the more effective spearpoint is

*compared to other keepsakes

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:04 AM

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fading nymph but still very hard to beat acorn

Armored archer summons

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residentzag

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:05 AM

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The Myrmidon Bracer is also stronger the more HP you have.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:05 AM

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bouldy

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:05 AM

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And also scales with damage reduction and Dodge chance.

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:06 AM

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Dont think ive ever used that one

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Its so terrible

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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whats the worst keepsake

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its like bracer or distant memory right

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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Feather duster

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Oh yeah distant memory lol

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Just never gonna be useful

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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duster is fine without LC

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:09 AM

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It's not terrible really. If you have e.g. 400 HP and 30% dodge chance, getting another 30% damage reduction can be worth another 244 eHP.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:09 AM

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but the backstab...

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:10 AM

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cunning urchin It's not terrible really. If you have e.g. 400 HP and 30% dodge chance, getting ...

Just use aphro sttack

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Idk

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:10 AM

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You could use both.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:11 AM

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re spearpoint: also lasers I guess kinda good sometimes

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:13 AM

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Bracer is pretty bad for EM4 tbh because Wretched Sneak etc., but it's pretty decent otherwise in the right builds.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:14 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697204655339601933/925693129472999474/unknown.png

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Sad but true

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:16 AM

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EM4 Wretched Sneaks are broken. Can't even charm them because they'll just disappear and remove the Charm.

fading nymph Dec 29, 2021, 10:17 AM

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do they actually LOL

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Amir fix your game

shell sleet Dec 29, 2021, 10:17 AM

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isnt that true for normal sneak miniboss as well

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i thought it simply removes all effects when it darknesses

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:17 AM

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Yeah, but who cares about the miniboss. zfiestWOT

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Miniboss Wretched Sneak is easy prey.

worn solar Dec 29, 2021, 10:18 AM

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doom on snek not stonks bouldy

valid dagger Dec 29, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Yea it removes everything

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Sneak a real gamer afterall

warped egret Dec 29, 2021, 11:29 AM

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any recommendation for my first rail run?

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just take base aspect with Zeus attack and stack lightning effects for AoE?

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cause the 12 ammo is kinda low and will probably be a problem in big chambers

vale imp Dec 29, 2021, 11:30 AM

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yep, that's pretty much standard

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i'd say rebind your reload to something you can reach easily

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that way you can reload ASAP

warped egret Dec 29, 2021, 11:31 AM

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cause I played many many shooters in my life I think R is pretty good to reach for me 😄

warped egret Dec 29, 2021, 11:31 AM

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vale imp yep, that's pretty much standard

which hammer upgrades? and which special would you recommend me with this?

vale imp Dec 29, 2021, 11:32 AM

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the best rail hammers are the specials, specifically Rocket and/or Cluster bombs

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Aphro special i think, then you can open up Smoldering Air

warped egret Dec 29, 2021, 11:32 AM

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but Im playing more attack focused no? cause the base aspect gives me additional ammo

vale imp Dec 29, 2021, 11:33 AM

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those hammers kinda make your run special focussed haha

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anything else is kinda underwhelming

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for the attack hammers, spread fire is i think the best

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:35 AM

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warped egret cause I played many many shooters in my life I think R is pretty good to reach f...

Turn off aim at cursor if you're kbm

vale imp Dec 29, 2021, 11:35 AM

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but will change your playstyle because you are now holding a shotgun

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Billion times more playable

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:35 AM

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warped egret just take base aspect with Zeus attack and stack lightning effects for AoE?

Zeus attack with posideon's dash

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:40 AM

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warped egret which hammer upgrades? and which special would you recommend me with this?

Rocket>cluster>triple>targeting>hazard>piercing>delta>else

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Artemis special is usually the best

lucid oar Dec 29, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Piercing above delta concerns me

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bouldy

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:54 AM

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Delta zag rail bouldy

lucid oar Dec 29, 2021, 11:57 AM

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No spread?

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Its not good with zeus attack

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 11:57 AM

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They are using lvl 0 zag rail i think anyways

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6 bullets arent fun ~~at least for me~~

lucid oar Dec 29, 2021, 11:58 AM

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I still like it

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:58 AM

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unreal tree Its not good with zeus attack

Wait a second thanthink

lucid oar Dec 29, 2021, 11:58 AM

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40 damage is 40 damage

unreal tree Dec 29, 2021, 11:58 AM

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Your attack still doesn't stun

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So you still get full jolted value

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Maybe it is good and im just stupid

shell sleet Dec 29, 2021, 12:21 PM

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unreal tree Rocket>cluster>triple>targeting>hazard>piercing>delta>else

triple thanthink

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piercing>delta thanthink

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 2:35 PM

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6 ammo Spread Fire

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 5:56 PM

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anyone have a good Poseidon aspect build

valid dagger Dec 29, 2021, 5:58 PM

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~~Merciful End~~

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Phalanx shot

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:15 PM

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what weapon is good with ares boons???

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:17 PM

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torpid moat what weapon is good with ares boons???

if youre going merciful end, fists

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you can go a cast build with achilles aspect and rifts with artemis, thats solid

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ares call is doodoo never take it

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:17 PM

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idk what that is

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:17 PM

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doom on special on a bow isnt bad either

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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ok

valid dagger Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Merciful End is Ares Athena Duo

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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now i have the poseidon sword thing

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what boon should i take

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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slicing shot

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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like what gods

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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and artemis attack

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or artemis anything actually

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to make hunting blades available

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:18 PM

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?

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ok

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imma take artemis attack

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:19 PM

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artemis ares duo boon is blade rifts that track bad guys

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:19 PM

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ok

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:19 PM

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how many clears in are you? just wanna calibrate to make sure i'm explaining things in a way that makes sense

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:19 PM

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i just arrived in asphodel

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:20 PM

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how many runs have you done

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:22 PM

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wait

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my internet just crashed @bronze marten

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ok so as I was saying

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:23 PM

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torpid moat i just arrived in asphodel

and i also have lightning cast for my poseidon aspect stygius

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so what gods should i take to make a build with this

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:27 PM

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If you haven’t got a clear yet, literally just keep playing

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Try stuff

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I’d be doing you a disservice saying “follow this recipe”

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:27 PM

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ooof

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ok

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Knowing the game is just as important as knowing what builds work

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:28 PM

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ok but ares or artemis

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Artemis, hope for lightning rod

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:29 PM

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ok bro

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 6:29 PM

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Assuming you're still on your Zeus cast run

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:29 PM

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yes

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im very much alive

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for now...

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 6:30 PM

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The stock advice for any Zeus centric run is "take more Zeus boons"

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Yeah then ares special maybe not useless

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But Zeus wants more Zeus

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:31 PM

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ikr

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i discovered that rail + zeus + jolt effect is actually good

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:32 PM

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If you’re running Zeus attack or special, jolted should be a first priority

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:33 PM

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Exit wouunds because i basically spam poseidon aspect

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????

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:33 PM

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exit wounds is solid if youre using the cast a lot for sure

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:33 PM

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i also can choose the strike or dash

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:33 PM

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note that it's basically only good on the poseidon aspect sword tho

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:33 PM

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ik

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:34 PM

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i think athena dash if possible

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Can also be decent on Hera with the Hermes boon that buffs drop rate

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:34 PM

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since you don't sound like you're comfortable rn

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so take what makes you feel comfortable

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 6:34 PM

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1 second dislodging

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Flurry cast from Hermes also good

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:35 PM

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ok im doing

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well currently

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 6:36 PM

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based

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:38 PM

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what should i get for strike

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based on this built

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poseidon, ares, demeter

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those are the keepsakes i can get now

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so which one should i choose

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zeus aid or static discharge

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???

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 6:51 PM

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How far in are you

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what's your boons like

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 6:56 PM

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i just finnished elysium

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and

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 7:01 PM

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copypasta:
At this point I'd stop worrying about the build and just take something defensive for the last room
Spearpoint, Skelly tooth, Eurydice acorn
Look for extra revives in the shops, if there are at least 2 Aphrodites (or 1 Aphro 1 Zeus) , take one for passion dash and hope for Aphro/Zeus duo on the second

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Acorn.

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If you make it to Hades, Acorn will help the most. If you don't make it to Hades, then it doesn't matter anyway.

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I guess if you really struggle with poison, you could take the Broken Spearpoint.

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Acorn > Tooth >> Spearpoint

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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egg

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:07 PM

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For EM4 it’s maybe more like Acorn = Tooth (preference) > Spearpoint

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Spearpoint bad

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 7:11 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/925828483475730532/Screenshot_20211229-141143_YouTube.jpg

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:12 PM

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~~I can’t tell if that’s a Skurry reference~~

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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also @bronze marten FO power couple is literal pain if I don't Meg the crusher's armor since it's only hittable for like 1 second

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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sterile fiber also <@697579549923213352> FO power couple is literal pain if I don't Meg the cr...

Yeah, I know, it’s the hardest of the MM mini bosses IMO

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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Yeah, Meg right as the crusher lands and if you’re standing by the medusa then it’s an easy fight

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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bronze marten Yeah, I know, it’s the hardest of the MM mini bosses IMO

Not if you Meg it right imo

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You even negate the shockwave

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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In the event it’s not done perfectly*

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gra

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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It’s not hard to do it “perfectly”

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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true shot or artemis aid im in tartarus

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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There’s like a super huge window for the Meg

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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or should i go for the strike

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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torpid moat true shot or artemis aid im in tartarus

~~both suck~~

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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torpid moat or should i go for the strike

What weapon

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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@sterile fiber you can repost the video here

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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poseidon

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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I am bad at tech lol

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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Why don’t you have a cast?

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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bcs im in tartarus

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Cause Tartarus?

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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You should start with a god to force the cast you want

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You want a C1 cast boon

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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i didnt get it

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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For early poms

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Wym

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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i didnt get a cast option at start

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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It’s a new player pancake, make sure to calibrate accordingly

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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You got Vorimed?

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Did you reroll?

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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long escarp Did you reroll?

whats that

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Oh

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:19 PM

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you gotta check the context my man

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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I am.

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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you leave people bamboozled it’s like teaching calculus to me in middle school

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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so which one should i take

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Idk

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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attack

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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ok

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:20 PM

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~~reset bouldy ~~

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:24 PM

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wouldnt artemis attack be like really good with the arthur sword

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:25 PM

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It would yes

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Do it

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Aphrodite dash, heart rend, stonks

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:26 PM

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torpid moat wouldnt artemis attack be like really good with the arthur sword

Aphrodite attack is better for breakpoints

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But Artemis is pretty good

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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i got lightning rod

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is flood shot good???

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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torpid moat is flood shot good???

Can be, having a distance attack useful but don’t rely on it

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Flood shot is good, but not for Poseidon sword

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Boss damage is really bad

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 7:52 PM

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bronze marten Can be, having a distance attack useful but don’t rely on it

welp i got mirage shot on it as well

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so i say its decend

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i may actually finnish the game

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i still have 2 death defiances

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wish me luck guys

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ok killed once

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OMG

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i actually beat him

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Nice!

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:01 PM

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mirage shot carried me ngl

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 8:09 PM

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long escarp I am.

Nope. courte5Wut

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:10 PM

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I was giving advice for any new player who wants to do a cast build with Poseidon. Force a good C1 cast.

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If you were playing Poseidon, I wouldn’t have given you that advice because I know you already know it.

valid dagger Dec 29, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Just force Ares

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:35 PM

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idk

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i like big damage

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but i also like spamming

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ikr

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I had it in my run where i beat Hades

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Imma try switching to Arthur cuz i already finnished game with poseidon maybe try a different playstyle

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ok

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i got lightning rod when i did that

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it was useful along with exit wounds

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and static discharge

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:38 PM

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I disagree. Start with a good cast and build off of that.

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:39 PM

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long escarp I disagree. Start with a good cast and build off of that.

like???

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Phalanx shot

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Crush Shot even

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:39 PM

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ooh athena

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Phalanx is my go-to

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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long escarp Phalanx shot

Good argument, unfortunately, I don't have her keepsake

proven osprey Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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nah you need a lodging cast

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Any lodging cast

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Btw Exit Wounds is a lot less important than a good cast

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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ok

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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It does almost nothing for room clear

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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ill remember that

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:40 PM

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No

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It’s not.

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Not close.

strange lark Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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nah

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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A good cast is much more important

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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i found it useful against that minotaur

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ok

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Exit Wounds is helpful for bosses but it’s not a must-have by any means

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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it helps a bit with bosses but a good cast will make exit wounds not work lots of time

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Exit Wounds is helpful for bosses but it’s not a must-have by any means

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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cause it just kills the enemies

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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long escarp A good cast is much more important

any alternatives to phalanx shot

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Crush Shot ig

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But Phalanx is definitely best imo

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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ok

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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It’s not just very safe, it’s also great damage and range

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They use it for speedruns

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Imma keep that in mind

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:42 PM

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And the deflect provides a ton of safety

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 8:43 PM

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long escarp They use it for speedruns

~~doesnt poseidon sword just runs ME?~~

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:43 PM

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I don’t think so

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:43 PM

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is it the best cast for every weapon???

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:43 PM

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No

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Definitely depends on the weapon

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But phalanx shot is probably also the best cast for non-cast builds

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Crush is best for Hera

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Passion, Flood, or Trippy is best for Beowulf

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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what's best for arthur?

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Doesn’t matter

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Arthur doesn’t need a cast at all

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But if you’re gonna get one, I like phalanx

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But don’t prioritize it

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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arthur speedrun uses phalanx squirtnya

strange lark Dec 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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long escarp Arthur doesn’t need a cast at all

it does if you want to go fast

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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ok phalanx seems like really good

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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But don’t prioritize it

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Oh

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Well

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Yeah

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Speedruns use phalanx

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Phalanx is great

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All-in-all probably the best cast in the game

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:45 PM

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I thought Athena was bad until now i was totally mistaken shadeeyeroll

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Athena goated

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Divine dash is also amazing for safety at high heat

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She also gives DDs even with Stubborn

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Also ME

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:46 PM

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long escarp Divine dash is also amazing for safety at high heat

its her attack good

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or special

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Not really

strange lark Dec 29, 2021, 8:46 PM

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special good for ME

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Yeah

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:47 PM

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strange lark special good for ME

what is ME

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Well, more like necessary

strange lark Dec 29, 2021, 8:47 PM

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merciful end

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duo boon for ares and athena

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:47 PM

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oooh

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what should i get with an arthur build

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Outside of ME where it’s necessary, Athena attack and special aren’t really worth using over Aphrodite or Artemis because it’s just lower damage

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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torpid moat what should i get with an arthur build

Heartbreak Strike and go from there

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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i was thinking Artemis with Backstab

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Smoldering Air is also great

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Artemis isn’t as good as Aphrodite for room clear

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Doesn’t hit breakpoints

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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long escarp Doesn’t hit breakpoints

what are breakpoints

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:49 PM

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If an enemy has 200hp, you’d rather have an attack that deals 200 every time rather than dealing 150 most of the time and 450 some of the time

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:49 PM

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ooh ok

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Although the damage on average is better, it’s less consistent and therefore generally worse for room clear

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Faster weapons are different

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:50 PM

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long escarp Although the damage on average is better, it’s less consistent and therefore gen...

I presume its better for bosses then???

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:50 PM

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torpid moat I presume its better for bosses then???

Exactly

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But if you’re trying to one-shot things, it’s better to use Aphrodite

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Although, Artemis also gets better if you have other % based damage sources

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Can't u use cast like Ares for room clear and artemis strike for bosses??

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Like chaos or dragon rush on Beo or Hunter dash

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:52 PM

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torpid moat Can't u use cast like Ares for room clear and artemis strike for bosses??

Not really, Ares cast is pretty slow and feels quite weak especially vs Elysium enemies

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:52 PM

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yea that's right

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do i need to get some sort of duo on Arthur build

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???

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Smoldering Air is fantastic

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Not needed

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But it’s great to go for

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 8:53 PM

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No, but start Heartbreak Strike and get Smair, yeah.

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 8:53 PM

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ok

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so the rest doesnt really matter??

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like dashes and calls and stuff

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Best way to get more DPS when you start Heartbreak Strike.

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 8:53 PM

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proper furnace arthur speedrun uses phalanx <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>

elaborate plz

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 8:54 PM

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You'll need a Call for Smoldering Air. Zeus' Aid will be the fastest way to unlock it and is especially powerful with Smair, so that works out.

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So Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smair.

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Smair is what Lady Aphrodite calls it, so that's the canon name.

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Oh I didn’t actually know that lol

bronze marten Dec 29, 2021, 8:57 PM

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all the abbreviations we know

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smair, ME, every pact, splash dash, etc

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 9:00 PM

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bronze marten elaborate plz

Arthur wr starts phalanx shot

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Yeah, Excalibur is a Cast aspect. dusa

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I use Crush Shot, personally.

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Arthur is a cast aspect the same as talos?

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 9:08 PM

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I thought Talos speedruns used ME?

proper furnace Dec 29, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Yeah they do

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Just making fun of the pull making cast do more dmg

long escarp Dec 29, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Lol yeah

umbral jolt Dec 29, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Hey how is piercing wave and world splitter? 🤔

proven osprey Dec 29, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Piercing wave is alright on non Arthur

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world splitter is fun but not good

umbral jolt Dec 29, 2021, 10:04 PM

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proven osprey world splitter is fun but not good

Why not good?

proven osprey Dec 29, 2021, 10:05 PM

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It's slow and does not go well with the classic dps rotation

umbral jolt Dec 29, 2021, 10:06 PM

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So the chop isnt a big damage increase?

torpid moat Dec 29, 2021, 10:07 PM

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anyone know a good attack for chiron bow???

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Heart Rend.

proven osprey Dec 29, 2021, 10:09 PM

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umbral jolt So the chop isnt a big damage increase?

Nah because special > double dash strike is more aoe, faster and safer (also the latter is not important at low heat). Usually swords gets dps with + dashes from Hermes so you're also closing out this option. However, if we don't consider speedrunning or the difficulty of the run, it's perfectly fine

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it's a fun hammer and you can get big crits

cunning urchin Dec 29, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Piercing Wave is really good. World Splitter is one of those many sword hammers that does literally nothing if you're playing the aspect at a high level.

sterile fiber Dec 29, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Am I tripping or does Enshrouded chaos boons wear off early if you go into Styx

valid dagger Dec 29, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Well that’s all Chaos boons

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Because the little tunnels count