h1-builds-and-combat

[unreal tree]

so like purse

[valid dagger]

plume if you have Stygian maybe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

oh yeah plume if you dont have hermes also great

[shell sleet]

spaghetti coding on bad news

[sterile fiber]

with a side of tomato sauce

[jade geode]

Jesus. Eris rail is ridiculous. I had Zeus on attack and aphro special. Is that the usual set up or is there something better?

[sterile fiber]

that's the meta yeah

Add Static Discharge if you haven't already

[long escarp]

Yes and Jolted also makes a huge difference. And Tidal Dash

Tidal Dash is generally prioritized over getting a special boon

[jade geode]

Got it.

Yeah I had tidal dash. What’s the duo I should be looking for?

[long escarp]

Don’t worry about duos

Get breaking wave and razor shoals

If you can get cluster bomb and rocket bomb then you’ll really see every enemy melt

[cunning urchin]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[jade geode]

Thanks @cunning urchin and @long escarp

[tall cloak]

I just want advice as to which god I should go for to work well with Aspect of Hera

[turbid needle]

aphro cast

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a short guide for it that covers the most important things imo. #h1-discussion message

[tall cloak]

Thank thou

[errant acorn]

Athena attack on Arthur. Is that anything?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that can be fun.

Not gonna be as much damage as Heartbreak Strike, but deflect in a large semi-circle is quite nice.

[undone heath]

So whats the benefit of Flying Kick outside looking way cooler

[last dirge]

It is a bit more mobile

Maybe a higher damage ceiling on gilgamesh

[jade geode]

If you get the rocket bomb hammer on the Eris rail, how big is the radius of the blast? It doesn’t have the same marker that the regular special has.

[cunning urchin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Probably smaller? Still pretty good, though.

[last dirge]

Maybe the boundrary/circumference of the rocket explosion animation?

It's better to point blank it often to keep the effect up

[long escarp]

The ol’ baseball bat

[long escarp]

Mobility, yeah. It moves you very quickly to the nearest enemy. But it’s really bad

[sullen granite]

eyo how much harder is EM3 compared to normal Theseus/Asterius

[boreal prism]

Very much harder until you learn it

[sullen granite]

ngl Theseus is kinda a chump in EM

Asterius is definitely harder

[pliant dirge]

EM Theseus is easier than normal ngl

Asterius is a hell on his own

the spin.

[sullen granite]

thankfully

I killed Asterius before he could get that off

though to be fair I met him as the midboss earlier in the run

I had the spear this run but I definitely see how EM Asterius could be a lot more hellish with like

fists or sword

[shell sleet]

supersonic charge

[pliant dirge]

y e a

[long escarp]

I do not agree

Normal Theseus P1 has 2 attacks

[cunning urchin]

FO2 or FO0 makes a pretty big difference in the EM3 fight.

[boreal prism]

They'd never give you normal theseus as a miniboss

[marsh thorn]

Yea that spin has made me use a death defy before father dearest it was quite sad

[potent pier]

is there a tool that shows what boons I have in my pool after having picked up certain others? and the chances of obtaining them (+ how those change with modifiers)?

[tranquil urchin]

What’s a pact challenge?

[fallow venture]

I thought I had unlucky rolls, but the damage surprised me afterward. I may like Ares builds from now on.

https://streamable.com/7egdhi

[sterile fiber]

the inverse of "buying healing item in LC4" goof: forgetting to buy healing to top up High Confidence while speeding because I'm too used to LC4

[vale imp]

do the well of charon items stack? I had like 3 Braid of Atlas's (the 50% Cast damage one) and I was wondering if i was wasting money

[lucid oar]

They stack

[vale imp]

nice

[noble onyx]

So I was wondering what extent I had actually gotten good at this game so I started a fresh file to see how far the cold-open run would go

For a reference point, on my main file the initial run was comically short, I didn't even survive to claim the room 2 athena boon, mostly because I didn't figure out what button to press to attack until I'd already been hit a few times

On my main file, I died to meg for the first time on run 5, spent the next 10 runs alternately dying to her and minibosses, and reached asphodel on run 15

On this new file, the initial run got me all the way to meg! (at which point she killed me because turns out I never really learned to dodge her attack patterns and have been cheesing the fight with mirror talents and god mode)

so I'm counting this as a "im better at video game than I was before" result

[forest crow]

hell yeah!!

when I first booted up the game I didn’t realize I had a weapon

so I shot my cast around and hid until I could get it back

made it to like room 2

[proven osprey]

Lmao

[unreal tree]

[proven monolith]

when it comes to using rama, should i build it like normal aspect of zag bow?

so start with artemis keepsake and built into crit and weak

or should i focus on buffing attack damage by uhh

like starting with aphro keepsake for her attack boon

or should i build special?

[unreal tree]

aphrodite attack start-forcing hunter dash in asphodel, twin shot>triple shot>perfect shot>point blank

last 2 are great as 2nd hammers

dio or ares special with a lot of poms are good if you like that playstyle more

they're usually used WITH what ive already mentioned

zeus special with static discharge also pretty great

[proven monolith]

okay so my core is just those two boons?

aphro attack and hunter dash

and then i can build around that from there

[unreal tree]

try to get zeus call if you can

for smoldering air

[proven monolith]

ooo okay

thanks!

[unreal tree]

np

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[long escarp]

I also like Demeter special, potentially with killing freeze. But the other 3 are still marginally better

[fallen spoke]

what is the best weapon for an ares cast build?

[long escarp]

Achilles

[fallen spoke]

why

[long escarp]

Just remember to use raging rush before casting

[fallen spoke]

ok

[long escarp]

+150% damage

[fallen spoke]

thx

[long escarp]

Makes a huge difference

[fallen spoke]

and hope for some artemis luck

[long escarp]

Yep

Maybe even some Poseidon 👀

[valid dagger]

Well usually you start Tidal Dash on Achilles so that's a given

[long escarp]

I don’t think they’re speedrunning

They said “ares cast build”

[sullen granite]

ey does Hermes's attack speed boon increase the speed of charging up Spear

[undone heath]

So whats the best Beo flare

[lucid oar]

Poseidon then aphro then Dionysus

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/922545227288424468/Hades_Jl8u9qgGTS.png

[lucid oar]

Basically 51 heat ngl

[valid dagger]

lmao

I just realized I have to keep shackle for EM4

This might not be too easy

I'll just do CP2 EM3 for 50

Maybe

[lucid oar]

DC1?

[valid dagger]

CP2 to keep it interesting

[long escarp]

Aphrodite is better for high heat, no?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11VO6K8efHb__bxzq-PgFc7ISBuV_6Prj4PHK5k3sClM/edit

But yeah there’s no reason I can think of to ever use anything beside flood, passion, or trippy flare

[fallen spoke]

i have the ares artemis duo boon already took artemis and ares keepsake wath next

[long escarp]

Acorn?

Or go for mirage shot

[fallen spoke]

what boons is it?

oops picked acorn

[valid dagger]

Artemis Poseidon

[fallen spoke]

ok

[proper furnace]

@spare crow pls tell me you knew that new hangover stacks override the old ones

[unreal tree]

[long escarp]

Yeah if you apply 5 stacks of 30+ damage hangover with the call and then one stack of 4 damage hangover with the dash, the enemy now has 5 stacks of 4 damage hangover

[spare crow]

funny drunk man go drink

[proper furnace]

Understandaboe have a nice day

[potent pier]

wait so I can just stack up easy to apply hangover that deals low damage and just apply a single instance of high dmg one?

[long escarp]

Yes

It’s not as easy or useful as you think

Although with some weapons you could do it with hangover on the dash and special. Weak hangover on the dash and at least 10 damage hangover on the special

Wouldn’t be super strong but it would definitely be unique

[undone heath]

So whats the difference between Typhoons Fury and Breaking Wave?

[proper furnace]

fury = extra dmg to the wall slam itself
B.wave = water explosion with its own dmg when wall slamming an enemy

also i feel like b wave does more but idk if its actually true or nah

[worn solar]

b wave plus global damage stonks

[lucid oar]

Yeah if you have something like epic rd, breaking wave goes from 100 damage to 200, but typhoons fury goes from 200% to 300%

And breaking wave makes a huge AOE explosion which is cool and does a lot of damage

[near heath]

DID SOMEONE SAY ARES CAST BUILD??????????????????????????

Let me tell you something

2 boons

Vicious Cycle, and Hunting Blades

Also do not click that link.

DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK

[fallen spoke]

Thx for sending that at 1:30 am

[unreal tree]

<@&456908176877551658> h e l p

[near heath]

Didn't know it's 1am then

Sorry

[main osprey]

They're working on it

[unreal tree]

Vicious cycle is a scam

Vicious cycle is a SCAM. From testing earlier I believe the actual damage is:
For most blade rifts, it adds only 1 extra damage per hit (cast, dash)
It does buff call properly (lol)
It does not work at all with slicing flare

[fallen spoke]

Np

[near heath]

It works for Slicing Shot for me

[unreal tree]

Better off getting hunting blades

[near heath]

Also please ping me in the future if you reply to my messages since I have the server muted

[near heath]

No yeah this is a priority

But Vicious Cycle is gud

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711541942554722325/911106326598418462/oukeymsol.png

[turbid needle]

whats funny is that I just opend discord and read an update about the nitro bots being worked on

[near heath]

Hahahha

[unreal tree]

[near heath]

But like isn't it that Blade Rifts do more damage every 0.2 seconds because of Cycle?

Also if I can says something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9zO8294VUI&t

[lucid oar]

Vicious cycle is half as good as the description suggests

For slicing shot

[near heath]

You're serious?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[unreal tree]

.

[near heath]

Everything is a lie

Is my video a lie?

[near heath]

Me when I want to deny the truth

[formal wigeon]

yoo das pretty cool even though idk what u did

[near heath]

Ares Cast

[long escarp]

Vicious Cycle is still decent for Hunting Blades. But your priority for boons should be like this:

1. Hunting Blades
2. Engulfing Vortex
3. Mirage Shot
4. Vicious Cycle
5. Black Metal

Imo

[teal cipher]

Any spicy combos or builds with a Zeus attack Lucifer? Racking my brain tryna think if there's anything that could take advantage of the rapid chain lightning

[lucid oar]

Static discharge, splitting bolt

[long escarp]

^

[lone jetty]

Add Aphro special, get a call (more Zeus?), get Smoldering Air.

[lucid oar]

With the call you can get double strike as well which is really good

[undone heath]

So whats the best special for Rama (not doing special only)

[long escarp]

Doesn’t really matter tbh

Imo it’s never worth forcing a special boon

Zeus, Ares, Dionysus, and Demeter are all great

[valid dagger]

Well Zeus has really good aoe and can dish out the most dmg if you get more Zeus, but for a normal run where you're focusing on your attack/dash strike any flat dmg special is okay

[unreal tree]

imagine not doing special only

[sterile fiber]

special only rama is unaruab -*railshot sound

[rustic inlet]

I've heard about the 3/4 gods boon rule(except for Hermes), but is there an exception which going more or less than it be worth it?

[turbid needle]

what kind of rule is this

do you mean the fact that the game naturally only gives you 4 gods or

[rustic inlet]

it's said that the most effective way to use your boons is having around 3-4 olympian gods in the run

that varying too much may or will make them weak or smt

[turbid needle]

I think the most effective way to use your boons is to already know what youre building for and forcing the gods you need to accomplish that build

everything else the game offers you is rng anyway and you make the best of it

[rustic inlet]

I just noticed you have that villain from dicey dungeons as avatar, cool

[turbid needle]

thanks!

a 3-4 gods rule sounds wierd because you normally only see 3-4 gods in a run anyway

[long escarp]

The game will basically force you to have a 4 god pool

That’s how it works

Once you have 4 gods in your pool, you won’t see a 5th unless you force them with a keepsake

Which is sometimes worth doing, but keep in mind that when you do this you reduce the odds of seeing any of the other gods in your pool

[bronze marten]

Something to be said for knowing how to pivot though - I literally was going for a meme beam start that wasn’t working out, then I got an athena boon and she said “changing strategy is sometimes a good idea” or something to that effect

Athena was right, the meme beam dream was not the right play there lol

[last dirge]

For blade rifts I'd prioritize Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery

That is especially good on blade dash runs

If you get epic rush thats double your dash damage per hit

With Gilgamesh you can stack them fairly easily

Hyper sprint may make it a little more work

I did very very surprising damage to Hades

Like the build seemed bad, but dad just melted

Maim also would boost blade dash damage. You're mostly doing empty dashes. It could be worth it.

[bronze marten]

I should try blade dash Gilgamesh

[long escarp]

It’s kinda fun actually

[last dirge]

Yeah

You don't need Mirage or HB so you can focus resources on Hermes

Chaos doesnt even really help. Probably save all rolls for Hermes.

Maybe 1 for Engulfing

[long escarp]

Engulfing is really important

[last dirge]

Yeah

It probably contributes as much as Hyper+Rush

Not really on bosses ig

[mild raft]

That’s because it has pretty good boss damage but rather mediocre room clear

[last dirge]

True yeah

[errant acorn]

Is Rare Crop truly random? I feel like it tends to gravitate toward other Demeter boons but I could be wrong.

[opaque sky]

It's been pretty random for me

[sterile fiber]

it's random

it gravitates towards Divine Dash if anything

[cunning urchin]

Well.

If you take Rare Crop, you're more likely to already have boons from her than from any other god in particular.

[proven osprey]

Random but won't hit Hermes boons

[jovial walrus]

For 32 heat on stubborn defiance

which do I take from Patroclus?

Styx or Hydralite?

[valid dagger]

Hydralite doesnt work when you have LC4

[jovial walrus]

I don't have LC4

it's LC2

[valid dagger]

But you have Stubborn Defiance

Which automatically makes the first item the most valuable

[unreal tree]

LC2 with stubborn

Kinda defeats the point

[long escarp]

Don’t use LC2 SD you’re wasting 2 easy heat

[turbid needle]

Is there a build with lucifer aspect and unlimited ammo?

[long escarp]

Wym

Plenty of builds can make use of eternal chamber if that’s what you’re asking

[vale imp]

It's really great for Sea Storm

[keen monolith]

Idk I kinda feel like eternal chamber isn’t that good

It could be good for Zeus on attack maybe but for supersoaker the ramp damage feels kinda important

It’s not bad it’s just kinda eh it sounds good but in effect it’s just meh

[vale imp]

Eh, the damage isn't really from the ramp, it's the Sea Storm procs, with eternal chamber, there's no downtime at all there

[cunning urchin]

Sea Storm on Lucifer isn't a very good build in the first place tbh.

[leaden glen]

What’s the best way to make a cluster rockets build on eris? Should I take the cluster bomba first or the rocket bomb first?

[valid dagger]

Rocket is a better first pick

[lucid oar]

However, cluster first makes getting rocket in the next hammer slightly more likely

[leaden glen]

Yeah this was more what I meant

I remember hearing something about taking cluster first takes out one of the hammers from the pool completely

[lucid oar]

Both take out hazard, cluster takes out triple but rocket can still have triple

[leaden glen]

So cluster first then

Noted

I’m trying to make cluster rockets my 100th clear

[oblique sierra]

what's nemsis speed run meta generally

heart rend?\

[valid dagger]

Merciful End / Splash Dash

Heartrend works fine too

[oblique sierra]

I hate trying to get ME

what's splash dash

[valid dagger]

Start splash dash and wing it

[sterile fiber]

Are god trials affected by FO

[proven osprey]

By forced overtime? What do you mean?

[long escarp]

I think they mean the attacks from the angry god

I don’t know but I’d guess probably?

[sterile fiber]

like do the god attacks move faster if you have FO

[long escarp]

Yeah that’s what I sa- oh. Right

[valid dagger]

I think so

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish.

[long escarp]

Speedrun meta?

[cunning urchin]

It's that or Merciful End.

[valid dagger]

Starting Splash Dash is more popular than the classic Heartrend nowadays

[cunning urchin]

And still behind in IGT.

Anyway, any of those 3 will be good.

Tidal Dash is just less reliant on Double Edge.

[valid dagger]

It's not

[cunning urchin]

It's not anymore? Man, speedrun meta is so bland these days.

[long escarp]

[cunning urchin]

Literally just Poseidon and ME on everything. At least Crush Shot Hera is still holding the line.

[gusty rapids]

idk nemesis is pretty fun nowadays

you just build whatever the hell you feel like

we've seen pretty fast drunken strike and lightning strike runs here n there lol

ME isnt even rly popular anymore

[cunning urchin]

All with Tidal Dash?

[gusty rapids]

eh some do shackle start

some are tidal though yes

[cunning urchin]

Ah.

[gusty rapids]

shackle start nem is my personal favorite

[cunning urchin]

Crits have really fallen from grace lol.

[gusty rapids]

yeah unfortunately pure crit builds just arent that great

zag bow the last pure crit build we have left 🙏

[cunning urchin]

I think the Chaos Boon pool pollution in Blood Price and then Dark Foresight in 1.0 really hurt crits in the meta. And also the Deadly Reversal requirements being so much tighter now.

Harder to find Strike, Lunge, etc. And other builds benefit a lot more from Dark Foresight than crits do.

[fallen spoke]

i want an easy run so im going ares cast

[undone heath]

Okay so

if I remove one of the boons that gave me a duo (specifically the aphro-athena duo) does that void the duo

[long escarp]

No

[undone heath]

Sick

[long escarp]

The only time you have to worry about that is if the duo specifically refers to a boon. For example, if you have curse of drowning and sell flood shot, the duo will no longer work.

[sterile fiber]

when you line up the witches for a Meg, press the summon and realize you brought Fidi instead

[valid dagger]

@silk jackal yo, I don’t stream no but I have some stuff uploaded, mostly beo sadly

I am slow with uploading mainly because I submitted my pbs and such, but I’ll probably upload like 3 more Beo 50s with some memeing then Hestia and Nemesis 50, I don’t have anything else lined up since I’m not playing heat anymore

[cunning urchin]

You can also find plenty of high heat runs on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[turbid needle]

i think i will never know how to utilize poseidon properly

what weapons do you use with poseidon to fully combo with his knockback effects?

i used chiron bow with poseidon knockback and it felt meh

[shell sleet]

posei attack and special is pretty much not used for any aspect other than meme builds like super soaker lucifer and sea storm chiron

but his dash is excellent

it can be used on pretty much every aspect

[turbid needle]

now that you mention it

i never used his dash lol

i might be missing out

[pliant dirge]

Nectar, Miniboss Artemis, 2 rerolls and no Duo's... :c

[cunning urchin]

Sea Storm Chiron isn't really a meme. It's quite effective.

But yeah, it's mainly just Sea Storm Chiron, Flood Flare Beowulf, and Tidal Dash on pretty much anything.

His Call is also amazing.

[turbid needle]

^

i laughed so hard when i turned into a beyblade against hades for a good 10 sec

[cunning urchin]

You'll want plenty of poms on Tidal Dash if you're using that. It has excellent pom scaling.

That's Lord Ares's Call, not Poseidon's.

Unfortunately Ares' Aid is pretty bad.

[turbid needle]

yeaaa

its so slow

bad beyblade

[cunning urchin]

Also leaves you pretty much right on top of enemies if you want the damage for the full duration.

[turbid needle]

i always purge it if i need money

[cunning urchin]

And the damage is worse than if you just used your Attack or whatever else.

I don't take it in the first place lol.

[turbid needle]

yea

[cunning urchin]

He has a few boons that are alright that I'd rather have.

[turbid needle]

i got the game like last week ago so i naturally gravitated towards ares and artemis

i would not see myself liking a rougelike game

this game is so fun

just need to clear 5 more times to get the true ending

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

[turbid needle]

Thank You!

[pliant dirge]

How many chambers is each Region again?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921956761949327380/923496834280861726/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670 Also unrelated, something tells me this shouldn't be 4 options

[cunning urchin]

14 > 24 > 36.

[pliant dirge]

Thanks <3

[unreal tree]

This happens when you quit out mid run then come back

The leaderboard rules say you cant do this so its not worth fixing for that reason

[pliant dirge]

ahhhhh makes sense

[valid dagger]

Cheater

[pliant dirge]

:c

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/923516126133125150/7B775727-1883-4C76-AD2C-5FF8738B9464.gif

[pliant dirge]

that gif brings me joy

[last dirge]

I like Ares' Aid specifically with Curse of Drowning for the cool visual and the easily controlled immunity

CoD does enough damage

Probably works fine with Poseidon's Aid too though

[pliant dirge]

well you're always moving with Poseidon, so that's a bit more pain

[paper hedge]

What's the best weapon/aspect for Hangover?

[proper furnace]

Eris maybe? Global dmg good

[unreal tree]

Definitely, especially if you get delta chamber

Sword with double edge or fists are also very fun with it

[harsh pine]

Hey y’all. Never really did much with casting, can anyone recommend some crazy damage casting build options?

[long escarp]

Casts are good outside of builds that are totally built around them.

That said, there are definitely some very strong cast builds

Like Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity for Achilles Spear

Or ofc Passion Flare, Flood Flare, or Trippy Flare Beowulf

[sterile fiber]

Ascended meme beam: Crystal Beam, Crystal Clarity, some subset of Bad News, Fully Loaded, Mirage Shot, Arctic Blast, Chaos + casts or cast dmg

[long escarp]

For arctic blast you need a prerequisite. Glacial Glare is not a prerequisite

[last dirge]

CoD is harder to use but it's just fun

I'd do it on Achilles

Use the special to quickly move with it

Curse of Drowning. Its Ares + Flood Shot

Blade Dash, I believe his attack and special, and maybe something else like curse of vengeance.

It turns flood shot into a a slightly delayed area burst around you

The delay is about how long it would take flood shot to travel a mid distance

But it pulses 3 times and stacks every time you use the cast

So you can stack like 9, even 15 flood shot bursts around you

It is incompatible with Mirage Shot which makes sense. It already triples Flood Shot for a trickier application method.

At 6 pulses itd be a bit much

And like just adding 1 pulse wouldn't do much

2 is probably too much

[proper furnace]

If CoD didnt block mirage shot it probaboy would been fun to use with beo lol

[long escarp]

I didn’t even know CoD was compatible with Beo

[fading nymph]

cod Beo is so cursed

You bull rush but then instead of bulrushing again you have to just stick around the enemy

It messes up your gameplay loop

I do actually really like cod on Talos though

[sterile fiber]

call of duty

[fading nymph]

Goes with ME very well and your already in cod range

[long escarp]

Lmao the more I think about it the worse that sounds

[fading nymph]

Only problem is that it can block ME

Yeah I took it once for fun on a anyheat run that was already dead and it was pain

I even died to dad lol

[proper furnace]

dumb question, would using CoD prevent your dashes from having i-frames?

[long escarp]

Probably when they’re popping out but not when they’re pulsing

[cunning urchin]

Excellent question. Unfortunately I don't know the answer. I'll definitely keep it in mind as something to investigate.

[long escarp]

My guess is that they steal i-frames when they go off like other casts but not when they pulse the normal damage of CoD. But I don’t know for sure

[fading nymph]

I want to say no because then it would just be a terrible boon but knowing how buggy Hades is…

[last dirge]

I think it's a solid cast option

I think it's just blinding somewhat

[long escarp]

Not for Beo it’s not

[last dirge]

true

[fading nymph]

Also kinda bad on splash dash aspects

because you just push em out of range

[cunning urchin]

It's really not that buggy. The bugs are mainly just on one aspect.

[fading nymph]

[cunning urchin]

And it took months after release for anyone to even notice most of these things despite how many people play this game lol.

[fading nymph]

yeah on the surface its fine

just when you get into the technical side

[turbid needle]

When do you unlock Demeter? Ive played through 29-30 times and still haven’t gotten her. Do you need to complete a run before you can get her boons?

[fading nymph]

just keep playing

[cunning urchin]

No, but you need to get to the final boss at least.

[wary dragon]

For people struggling to complete their first run, I just completed mine about an hour ago. I used the bow that stored casts in the attacks and used trippy flare and urge to kill to do massive amounts of damage. I then run around avoiding damage until the casts are ready to be picked up and used again and repeated the stages. At the hades boss fight due to the amount of levels I had on each of the boones I was doing over 1.5k damage a hit, give it a go if your struggling

[cunning urchin]

I then run around avoiding damage until the casts are ready to be picked up and used again and repeated the stages.
You can skip that if you take Stygian Soul instead of Infernal Soul and get some +1 ammo from Master Chaos or in Wells of Charon.

But an actually more reliable Hera build is with Infernal Soul and Crush Shot instead of Trippy Flare.

And then you'd try to find Quick Reload from Lord Hermes so your bloodstones drop out faster on bosses... but anything that isn't a boss pretty much dies in one shot, so you can pick up your bloodstones again immediately.

[pliant dirge]

2:17 out of Tartarus, new PB <3

[long escarp]

UTK increases your cast damage by 10-16%
Mirage Shot increases you cast damage (trippy flare only) by 100%

[worn solar]

also utk is additive unlike mirage so like then add epic rd or chaos cast damage

[long escarp]

Yeah also true

UTK is not worth going for in a cast build (in any build actually). It barely does anything.

[worn solar]

doesnt help that it a. can be pommed and b. has crap scaling

[long escarp]

Yep

[shell sleet]

why can half of ares stuff be pommed

battle rage and stuff

[proven osprey]

because doom is too good so we had to get some pom waste targets

[turbid needle]

what is your guy's favorite weapon? mine is the sword, i feel like it deals so much more damage than everything else

[long escarp]

Sword is way too hard to play for me

I stick to bow, shield, and rail mostly

The highest heat I’ve done with sword is probably 40 I think

[turbid needle]

heat?

[long escarp]

Lmao

[proper furnace]

flurry achilles spear or BeOwOlf shield

[long escarp]

Beo is busted

I love Beo, Rama, Zeus, and Hestia

I know they’re meta so that’s kinda a boring answer

But they’re so fun

[valid dagger]

They're so meta

[long escarp]

I know

Im glad that all the good aspects still have a learning curve

Would be lame if the best high heat aspects were also simple

[valid dagger]

zag bow

[sterile fiber]

baaaaaase boooow

[long escarp]

Boring boring weapon

Super simple easy boring weapon

But it’s not good enough that I’m really irritated by that

What other weapons are that simple? I guess Chiron

Everything else is so much more interesting

[proven osprey]

zag shield

[unreal tree]

[long escarp]

Eh, Zag shield has a bit of depth, no? Well actually maybe no. Is it just dash strike -> bull rush?

[proven osprey]

less depth of all weapons imo

Chiron has a dynamic gameplay at high heat, at least zag bow as positionning + powershot

Zag shield is just a very simple one

[long escarp]

Is zag shield just dash-strike -> bull rush repeat?

I genuinely never play it without CShot

[proven osprey]

yeah

or charged shot

[long escarp]

Ok

Yeah then that’s very shallow

You’re right

[proven osprey]

I just want to die when I play it without charged shot

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s really boring

[sterile fiber]

I want to cry with charged shot lol

miss the zoom

[long escarp]

I like to actually deal damage

DPS is more than doubled with CShot right?

Definitely feels like it

Bull rush hits for like 30 without it

[strange lark]

dash strike -> attack

[long escarp]

Really?

[strange lark]

yeah

[long escarp]

Hmm

[strange lark]

if you dont have cshot

and occasionally do a bullrush to block things

[long escarp]

Yeah I only play Zag shield with CShot

It’s so painful without

But CShot Zag Shield is honestly pretty fun tbh

But I’m biased, CShot is my favorite hammer

It just feels really good to quickly and easily hit 6 enemies for 80 base damage and block while doing it

[valid dagger]

Cshot used to be my favorite hammer until I played EM4

[unreal tree]

I did 50 pulv blow unmodded and 58 cshot modded

[long escarp]

Edit: it’s more like 18

[unreal tree]

Cshot is so good that I managed to get zeus and chaos 56 with cshot Aphrodite attack start

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s a busted hammer

[unreal tree]

And that was my first beo 55 too

RI3 beo gaming

[long escarp]

RI3 Beo??

[shell sleet]

eris

[wary dragon]

just got a 2.5 K win with my build

[long escarp]

A what

[wary dragon]

2.5K damage with a single shot from my bow. basically had to 5 shot the final boss to kill him with no heat added

[polar python]

2.5K direct damage?

I assume that's with Rama

[fair zenith]

Probably zag bow or Hestia aspect on Exagryph

[pliant dirge]

Targetting System or Delta for IGT speed? already got rocket

[cunning urchin]

I'd take Targeting System.

[pseudo kiln]

what do you guysgo for on a chiron build? i usually try to rack up lighning on special and ares doom on basic attack

also artemis added projectile at every shot i make

is there anything that is more op than this?

[lucid oar]

Tempest flourish with sea storm, double strike and splitting bolt

[pseudo kiln]

is this the meta btw?

[lucid oar]

It holds the world record speedrun for Chiron

[pseudo kiln]

woah

i never rlly considered poseidon for most build because it looks pretty useless against bosses

like crowd control looks like the primary aspect of it

but im gonna try asap

[lucid oar]

Special is high % damage and razor shoals is good damage as well

[pseudo kiln]

so wait it is: poseidon on basic, zeus thunder with added boons on special?

[lucid oar]

Anything on attack, Poseidon on special

Tempest flourish is Poseidon special btw

[pseudo kiln]

so when does zeus double strike come in? on attack?

[lucid oar]

You can take his dash, cast or call

[pseudo kiln]

oh kk

thanks

btw is there any place i check out wr?

and such

must be interesting to see the meta strats

[lucid oar]

It’s in Chinese so may be difficult to understand

I’ll pull up the video

https://youtu.be/PwmYoER5254

[long escarp]

Delta reduces your DPS

[fading nymph]

Delta good

for speed probably targetting though

[long escarp]

delta is amazing, just not for speed

[sterile fiber]

TIL dad shows up if you die in a survival room

[potent pier]

does zag aspect affect charged shot? how does Minotaur rush interact with charged shot?

[valid dagger]

It does not

[potent pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786372437650046977/900064608633626684/atoms-cry.gif

[valid dagger]

Minotaur rush basically makes your shield like a literal bow if you have charged shot

[potent pier]

it does

[long escarp]

No. But 80 base damage is enough to be insanely good.

[potent pier]

I used them both for that reason, so that I could've gotten the em4 clear without using my already most used weapon

[long escarp]

Minotaur rush is meh

[potent pier]

I like it

[long escarp]

It’s too slow

Sudden Rush Minotaur Rush is decent but a different second hammer would still be better

[valid dagger]

I tried Charged Shot Minotaur Rush for a while because of the damage

It's not the worst

On beo it is hot garbage tho because Beo Charge is slow already

[lucid oar]

Sudden rush cshot feels like flurry shot rama

[long escarp]

Sudden Rush CShot is amazing

[potent pier]

well, if the enemy knows that the charge will end tomorrow it still won't know which hour of tomorrow

[long escarp]

What

[sterile fiber]

I put the translation in the comments if you want to watch it

[long escarp]

It’s bad because the damage is low because it’s so slow, not because the enemy will get away

[potent pier]

it was a joke on how since it will take so long to charge the window of time when it is expected to be released is harder to pin down, and as such a hypothetical advantage against an enemy

[long escarp]

Also, the timing is still consistent so…

[potent pier]

well yes

but the window of time for the power-shot is the same regardless of charge-speed as far as I know

making that small instant harder to pin down for the enemy compared to the length of the charge itself

just don't mind it anymore please, it was just a bad joke of mine

[pseudo kiln]

thank youuu

[unreal tree]

Yeah its incredible

Its how I got my 58 zag shield

Feels great in EM4

(when blocking works)

[worn solar]

well you gotta basic attack before cshotting so + dmg stonks

[bright vine]

(New player just unlocked every weapon) wondering what to focus on with the shield?

[long escarp]

Wym

Like what aspect?

[bright vine]

Boons in general

Special/normal attacks

[long escarp]

Depends immensely on the aspect

[bright vine]

I never really go for cast

[valid dagger]

Base shield I’m assuming

[bright vine]

Yup

[long escarp]

Dash strike -> bull rush -> repeat

Time your bull rushes to block attacks

[bright vine]

So focussing boons on special is generally good

[long escarp]

God no

Shield special is worthless

[bright vine]

O_O

[long escarp]

Insanely bad

[bright vine]

Bullrush block?

[long escarp]

Yes

Blocking is broken

[bright vine]

Oh so just use it for initiating combat and blocking but buff basic attack

[long escarp]

And you can start a bullrush faster out of a dash-strike

[bright vine]

Oh ok

[long escarp]

Wym

[valid dagger]

Yea the Special tickles enemies for the most part

On base Shield

[long escarp]

15 base damage

[bright vine]

Bullrush covers alot of distance so using it to start attacking an unaware enemy and getting close is handy

[long escarp]

It’s so weak that even if you copy it 5 times, it’s still not really worth using once you get CShot

[bright vine]

Cshot?

[long escarp]

I mean

[valid dagger]

Charged Shot

[long escarp]

Just dash strike into bull rush every enemy

[valid dagger]

Hammer

[long escarp]

The knockback from dash strikes and bull rush allows you to also push enemies together so you can hit more at a time

[valid dagger]

So basically base Chaos shield = cshot

Aight I go sleep

[bright vine]

Gn

[long escarp]

CShot > Chaos Shield

That’s why Chaos is just bad Zag shield

[valid dagger]

Yea it’s sarcasm lol

[bright vine]

So about the shield i got a daedalus with minotaur rush (bull rush gains a power rush 500% damage) and breaching rush (400% damage to shields) both sound good anyone know which is better?

Oh wait you guys talked about charged shot, that sounded like the worst on paper is it better?

[heavy cedar]

when I increase attack power, but I have a zues attack, which does a flat damage, does the attack % up do anything?

rn I'm doing exoogryph zues

[long escarp]

Charged Shot is arguably the best hammer in the game

[bright vine]

So you just block and shoot a projectile no dash?

[long escarp]

It does so so much more damage

And it’s faster

[bright vine]

Surprising

Ill give it a shot

[valid dagger]

Zeus attack on Exagryph is very good

[long escarp]

Normal bull rush is between 15 and 40 damage I think, depending on how much you charge it. Charged Shot is 80 no matter how charged it is

[valid dagger]

It increases base damage

[long escarp]

Meaning that CShot can do 80 damage in the amount of time it takes a normal bull rush to do 15

[valid dagger]

The flat damage from Zeus doesn’t get any increase from the bonus atk% that you get from like Chaos or well items etc

[bright vine]

Sure but the other hammers says bull rush gets a power rush dealing 500% damage which would then be what 15x5 or 40x5

[long escarp]

You only get the 500% extra if you fully charge it and release it with specific timing

Which is super slow

[bright vine]

Ohhhhhhhhh

Nvm

[long escarp]

You could get 3+ charged shots in that time

It becomes a bit better with sudden rush but still not great

Anvil for sudden + charged + Minotaur would be interesting though lmao

[valid dagger]

You know how I said I messed around with it a bit

That’s exactly what I did

[long escarp]

Is it any good?

[valid dagger]

The thing I found to be appealing with Minotaur rush is the big 500% so it was mostly damage testing but with those 3 hammers it’s actually very good, like if you try this on a non beo shield with epic aphro attack at like lv3 or something you could be dishing out 500s-600s at a decent pace

But it’s 3 hammers so whatever, I tried a but of Zag shield Minotaur rush first hammer afterwards bit it’s quite underwhelming

[long escarp]

Yeah makes sense

[valid dagger]

Yea if we’re comparing 3 hammer combos it’s probably on the mediocre side compared to some others maybe

Triple Point Blank Perfect Rama 👀

[long escarp]

Delta clockets

[bright vine]

Yo block is dummy thick might be sticking with the shield infinite damage blocking is nuts

[long escarp]

Yep

Wait until you see Beowulf 200+° blocking

[bright vine]

Fought the demon chick who throws waves of dark energy at you, rush attack etc just block it all hit her with charge shot, attempts to dash me block it hit her easiest fight now

Beowulf? Some kind of mod for the shield?

[valid dagger]

It’s an alternative aspect of the shield, you can unlock those later

[bright vine]

Ahh cool, permanent or need to be found in runs?

[long escarp]

It’s the hidden aspect

[bright vine]

So permanent

[long escarp]

Yes

Best weapon in the game

[valid dagger]

They are permanent you equip them before you start the run yea

[long escarp]

Charon? I’m pretty sure Charon is a guy but I’m not positive

[bright vine]

Btw when i move to the lave zone it shows a green shield icon in the 3rd area is it like an upgrade for getting to the third zone with a weapon or beating the game with the weapon?

[long escarp]

What

By “lava zone” do you mean asphodel?

Oh wait I know what you mean lmao

[bright vine]

When you move up the map after beating the first big boss it shows a differnet looking shield/ did it for the bow too like an unlock

[valid dagger]

It’s a bounty if you mean the map

[long escarp]

Yeah I think they do

It’s not a different shield

[valid dagger]

After you beat that boss you get something

Just like the first area boss gave you titan blood

[bright vine]

Idk then it was just the shield but green with a skull on the front

[valid dagger]

Also I think this is referring to meg

[bright vine]

At the top of the map

[long escarp]

That’s literally what your shield looks like

[long escarp]

Oh

[valid dagger]

[bright vine]

Its usually green? I didnt notice that although my first time using it was with the dark aura

[long escarp]

That’s what zag shield looks like

[bright vine]

First run with the shield and have made it to asphodel, got another hammer reckon dash strike damage aoe or bull rush (charge shot) increased damage to armor

[long escarp]

Both are good

Those are probably the 3rd and 4th best shield hammers

[bright vine]

If CS is #1 what is your #2?

[long escarp]

Sudden Rush

Faster bull rush charge

[bright vine]

And of these 2 which would you take, i'm leaning toward aoe

Since i assume it will stun nearby enemies making it less likely that i'm hit during combos

[long escarp]

It doesn’t do any more stun

It just does more damage and hits a larger area

[bright vine]

Hmm

[long escarp]

Which is still very useful

[bright vine]

Btw the door symbol with the golden skull on the money bag whats the difference between that and the other money ones?

Like the red symbol

[long escarp]

You mean the shop?

[bright vine]

Oh is it a merchant stop?

[long escarp]

It’s the midshop

[bright vine]

Llike a smiling golden skull on a money bag purple eyes, ive got that or the purple moon symbol which is the drunk god if i'm correct

[long escarp]

Yes, midshop.

[bright vine]

Drunk guy got good stuff?

[long escarp]

Not really

[bright vine]

Sweet shop it is, would be kinda funny if i beat a run through so early only been playing like 3 hours or something

[long escarp]

You’re not particularly close

[bright vine]

Lmao game makes it seem like asphodel is the last area, 3 areas to escape

[long escarp]

Asphodel is the second area

[bright vine]

Shiiiit theres a poseidon knockback for 150 and i cant afford it :(

Getting that for my dash would be so nice

Does flurry cast only work if you have multiple red gems for casting?

Or does it change the power to a multicastable?

[long escarp]

It makes your casts faster

But if you’re using infernal soul, you should buy the other two bloodstones

[bright vine]

But if i cast using my 1 red gem i have to wait til it drops from the enemy to cast again?

[long escarp]

Yes that’s how the game works

[bright vine]

...so i do need to buy the other gems before it's useful

[long escarp]

I mean cast builds with one infernal cast are very bad

And flurry cast is only good for cast builds

[bright vine]

Fair i basicly never remember to use cast anyway

[long escarp]

Cast is definitely worth using

Just not building around

At least without more casts or Stygian soul

[cunning urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[bright vine]

Ahh shame died half way into asphodel good run though

[bright vine]

Ahh thx hermes boons blow too

[bright vine]

Umm spear hammer tips? Attack 3 times in a spread or longer rabge more damage to further enemies?

Range would be better right

[proper furnace]

Whats the third hammer?

[bright vine]

Special damage to armor

[long escarp]

Idk I don’t play zag spear without exploding launcher

[bright vine]

Only on it for the dark bonus

[long escarp]

Anyway if you haven’t picked yet, I’d pick triple ig

[bright vine]

I was gonna do range but it already has good range fair enough

[long escarp]

Yeah extending jab is really not very useful

Although neither is triple tbh

Spear hammers are very polarizing

[bright vine]

Ooooh found my first health exchange buff i read these are really powerful

[long escarp]

Wym

Oh Chaos?

[bright vine]

Yeh

[cunning urchin]

Extending Jab is alright but certainly won't make or break a run.

[bright vine]

The spread is really nice alot wider than expected hits enemies im not targeting

[cunning urchin]

For base spear, only really Flurry Jab, Serrated Point, and Exploding Launcher matter.

The others are kind of whatever.

[long escarp]

Charged Skewer if you’re banking on getting EL later

But yes, I agree

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but Charged Skewer on its own is whatever.

[long escarp]

Yeah

I wish spear special had more base damage

[cunning urchin]

So you're saying you want to be a Guan Yu main.

I understand.

[long escarp]

So it wasn’t so dependent on exploding launcher

[bright vine]

Beat the bull in elysium i think and got minimum boon rarity epic
Restore to 50% health after each room and trippy shot cast festive fog, leaning toward the healing but any thoughts?

The boon rarity one is a duo

[last dirge]

Yeah

You want spear with better base dmg and you need exploding launcher

Literally GY

The restore 50% hp boon isnt very good iirc

I really like positive outlook though

Having some damage reduction is nice on any build

Any reduction will add up

Take 200 damage over a rough boss fight? Positive Outlook at epic makes that 160.

[shell sleet]

[unreal tree]

Its multiplicative actually

[shell sleet]

@opaque sky if youre going purely for speed, use extreme measures 2 as it makes the lernie fight faster.
Also deep pockets>golden touch unless youre doing a farming run and dark foresight>>olympian favour always on mirror options. Also tight deadline disables survival rooms so its better to leave it off for in game time runs

[cunning urchin]

Not necessarily easier, but it certainly makes the fight faster.

[unreal tree]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

[opaque sky]

thamks

[unreal tree]

Use this build also

[opaque sky]

oh cool

i forgot about the tight deadline thing

[shell sleet]

yes sorry i meant to write faster but hands wrote easier by accident

[opaque sky]

hands have mind of their own

[shell sleet]

indeed

[vocal sierra]

hey so im trying to get back into hades and i forgot a lot of stuff
what duo is good for sword zag aspect?

i remember there was a guide about general combat stuff but i cant remember where to find it

[valid dagger]

Merciful End?

[vocal sierra]

thansk

[valid dagger]

What specifically in combat, as in builds for weapons and such?

[vocal sierra]

yeah

[valid dagger]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

Not sure if it’s this one

But it’s very good nonetheless

[vocal sierra]

thanks a lot

[bright vine]

Using the fists- hammer
Concentrated +5 damage per concecutive hit
Heavy- attack becomes a 3 hit sequence
Rolling- dash strike +60% damage and "added to attack sequence"?
Which is better

[vocal sierra]

which aspect?

[bright vine]

None

[vocal sierra]

i would say rolling

[bright vine]

Ok sweet thx

First game on fists

[valid dagger]

Concentrated is most likely the one to go for there, Rolling will be barely procing if you’re constantly dash striking and moving from target to target, and Heavy Knuckle actively hurts your damage

Concentrated wont do insane work either but it’s something, unlike the other two

[long escarp]

I wish hammers were better balanced in general

What weapon, beside Lucifer, has the least polarizing hammers?

[unreal tree]

Sword hammers AAAAAA

was the reason I seeded my unmodded 50 sword

[vale imp]

what do you mean by "polarizing"?

[long escarp]

A few good ones and a lot of useless ones

Yeah sword is probably the worst offender

[unreal tree]

There is one great sword hammer

[long escarp]

With double edge being insanely good and nearly every other hammer being next to useless

[unreal tree]

2 copium options

And the rest are niche/just hurt you

[long escarp]

Yep

[unreal tree]

Breaching slash isnt even good with DC2

[long escarp]

But spear hammers are also like this, just a bit less bad

[unreal tree]

yeah spear is also extremely hammer reliant

[long escarp]

Actually on Achilles they’re kinda just as bad

[unreal tree]

Spear owos unmodded are an absolutely terrible experience

[long escarp]

Guan Yu is the best balanced spear in terms of hammers imo. Which is crazy because Guan Yu literally had one hammer that’s 3x better than the next best option

[unreal tree]

Breaching skewer copege

[vale imp]

Beowulf Shield hammers are ok

[long escarp]

Well

Some of them are great

And some are worthless

[vale imp]

2 great ones, several ok ones, none that are like really bad

[long escarp]

A few absolutely are very bad

[vale imp]

but they don't actively hurt you though

[long escarp]

Well sure

[vale imp]

it's more like a wasted hammer

[long escarp]

But they do nothing.

That’s pretty bad in my opinion

[unreal tree]

Nah beo has a lot of good options

Ferocious,charged shot, sudden rush, breaching rush

[long escarp]

Yes

[unreal tree]

Only the special hammers and mino rush are useless I think, also pulv blow since you're always dash striking

[long escarp]

It also has a ton of special hammers

[unreal tree]

Wallop's meh

[vale imp]

I would consider the special hammer's more niche than useless

[long escarp]

I would consider them useless

Like

Empowering Flight??

[vale imp]

they do help the one time you do a special run with Beo

[long escarp]

Dashing Flight??

[vale imp]

just for funsies

[long escarp]

Ok but that doesn’t count

Because special builds with Beo are terrible

Even if I could have literally every special hammer, I would still rather just have CShot

There’s just too much hammer imbalance in this game tbh. It’s unfortunate

Rail probably has the most viable hammers

Especially Hestia and Lucifer

[vale imp]

oh yeah definitely

[long escarp]

But even Hestia has like 4+ useless hammers

But I can kinda forgive it because those hammers at least have a niche

[vale imp]

I wonder if someone's made a hammer rebalance mod

[long escarp]

Except seeking fire. That hammer is never good

[vale imp]

because i feel like, just adjusting the numbers would make a lot of hammers viable

[long escarp]

Not for shield

You’d need to just buff the special

15 base damage is pitiful

So bad that when it becomes 45, it’s still not worth using

I wish Chaos shield just didn’t exist so that zag shield could be allowed to actually have a special

[bright vine]

Sword daedalus
Breaching slash
Dash nova
Cursed slash
?

Armor damage
Special makes you lunge forward and become "sturdy?"
Attack restores 2hp per hit but reduces max life by 60%

[vale imp]

dash nova messes up your specials, cursed slash sucks, breaching is probably the most effective one

[bright vine]

Ok cool

[bright vine]

(Forgot his name) the green archer god, offers seeking arrow when landing a hit and chance for all attacks to critical hit, not sure which one is better (using base spear with special buffs)

[cunning urchin]

Just change Charged Flight from +200% to +400%, that'll be balanced.

[bright vine]

The 2% crit chance is a bit of a turn off compared to 10 damage every time i damage something

[cunning urchin]

Her name. Lady Artemis, Goddess of the Hunt.

Pressure Points is very nice if you can get Hunter's Mark from her after that. What's her third offer?

[bright vine]

Cast seeks foes chance to crit 👎

[cunning urchin]

Probably Pressure Points. What's the rest of your build?

[bright vine]

Deadly strike, curse of pain, divine dash, (hammer vicious skewer) and flayed flourish

[cunning urchin]

If you can reroll, reroll for Hunter's Mark.

[bright vine]

Sorry flayed flourish is my curse right now, i dont know how to reroll dont think ive unlocked that yet

[cunning urchin]

Otherwise take Pressure Points.

It's the very last mirror talent that lets you reroll.

Fated Persuasion.

[bright vine]

Ahh yeah nah only unlocked 1 extra set of skills and maxing just saved enough to get the second revive

So have 3 casts

[bright vine]

---

So im using slicing shot which can duo with hunting blades but i'm tempted to get engulfing vortex to pull in enemies on its path instead of seeking the nearest one any thoughts?

Although my slots are almost full for abilities so maybe i should just take the duo

[long escarp]

You can get both what

[lucid oar]

I’d take the duo but you won’t run out of slots

Don’t worry about that

[long escarp]

But yes the duo is better if you have to pick one of the two

[bright vine]

I have 1 left how can i not run out?

[long escarp]

You do not run out of slots

That’s not a thing

[bright vine]

Ohh nvm theres a third row lmao

[valid dagger]

It adds another column

[long escarp]

And if needed it will continue to add more

[lucid oar]

I’ve seen runs with 5 or 6 columns

[long escarp]

It doesn’t let you run out

[bright vine]

Thats cool

[long escarp]

Engulfing Vortex is great but Hunting Blades is better

[bright vine]

Really?

[long escarp]

For sure

100%

No question

[bright vine]

For single target i guess but being able to pull enemies into it and keep them away sounds nice

[long escarp]

No

[valid dagger]

Hunting Blades is the only boon you really need to make Slicing shot really pop off

[long escarp]

It doesn’t suck them it from a distance

[valid dagger]

If you dont get it its meh

[long escarp]

It just pulls them closer to the center if they’re inside it already

[bright vine]

But if it travel through them it would grab and drag them for the duration no?

[long escarp]

No

[bright vine]

Oh what that blows

[long escarp]

I promise hunting blades is much better

[lucid oar]

Hunting blades gives the same effect except it homes as well

Engulfing is really good for blade dash however.

[long escarp]

No it’s good, just not close to as good as Hunting Blades

[bright vine]

Oh just got my first heroic boon too, blade dash but already have divine dash which is the best fs

Do you guys recommend flurry jab on spear? My brother said the spin attack was better but idk and im focussing on special and stayijg at range

[long escarp]

Yes

Flurry Jab is the best Achilles hammer by a mile

[bright vine]

Oh cool

[long escarp]

Flurry Jab Achilles has the modded anyheat world record

[proper furnace]

Spin can be fun but yeah flurry by far

[bright vine]

Just checking its not really worth upgrading your dash for damage in basicly any case right? I have slicing shot and deadly strike as options

[long escarp]

Which dash

[bright vine]

Divine

[long escarp]

definitely not

[bright vine]

And with homing slicing shot would you go with cast damage or deadly strike basic attack

[long escarp]

Idk

[bright vine]

Ill go deadly then

[cunning urchin]

A lot of Dash boons have excellent pom scaling. Divine Dash isn't one of them; most of its damage comes from deflects .

[long escarp]

Tidal dash has amazing pom scaling for example. So does thunder dash although most of the damage from that one comes from jolted or splitting so it’s different

[bright vine]

Focusing special on spear ive been using doom damage but got preasure points for crit torn between the pom upgrade but crits probably a better choice even just 3%

[long escarp]

Base Spear special is really bad tbh

Pressure Points is always at least a decent option

Especially because it becomes quite strong with Hunter’s Mark

[bright vine]

Its keeping me at a distance, i focuss on close range when i get the tripple hitting hammer upgrade

[long escarp]

Triple jab doesn’t increase your damage though

[cunning urchin]

If you want to focus on your Special, pom Curse of Pain.

[bright vine]

No but aoe is great

[long escarp]

Eh

It’s kinda unnecessary

[bright vine]

Imo then enjoyed the tripple able to stun nearby enemies hits in a large area that with the faster strikes was a great run and the furthest ive made it in the game so far

[long escarp]

Faster strikes? You mean swift strike?

Why not just dash strike

[cunning urchin]

m guessing Flurry Jab + Triple Jab.

[bright vine]

Yeah ^

[long escarp]

But with flurry you just want to spam dash strike

[cunning urchin]

Flurry Jab is amazing. Triple Jab is okay.

[long escarp]

So triple does very little

[bright vine]

Doesnt that ruin the point of having the hold ability to constantly attack?

[long escarp]

??

You hold attack and spam dash

It’s way more damage

[bright vine]

Interesting

[long escarp]

Dash strikes are optimal for literally every single weapon tbh

They’re kinda busted

With FJ they’re even more busted

But even without it, they’re insanely good

Well, at least compared to your other attack options

[bright vine]

Torn on +25hp and the drunk god atm, if i get epics from the purple god they are super awesome but hp here is nice since im about to fight the minotaur and other dude

[cunning urchin]

Do you have a Call?

[bright vine]

Not this run sadly

[cunning urchin]

Take his boon then.

[bright vine]

Kinda low chance of getting a call though

Havent used his yet either

[cunning urchin]

It's great.

[long escarp]

Not really

If you’re call-less by Elysium, then yeah get a call

[bright vine]

Daaaaaamn the way to drunk god was the minotaur miniboss

[long escarp]

Dionysus call is great and also doesn’t need any other boons to get going

[cunning urchin]

That's good, means you get practice in the fight and the boon will be high rarity.

Also, don't evade the swear filter please.

[bright vine]

True actually, btw ive only done the doubke boss battle once and lost is it better the cherge the archer and save the minotaur?

Haha allg

[long escarp]

Definitely not

Kill Asterius first

[cunning urchin]

If you don't have much experience yet, you wanna kill the Minotaur first, yeah.

[long escarp]

The fight is designed for Theseus to be more passive and Asterius to chase you

[bright vine]

I just got blindsided by arrows focussing on the miinotaur thats how i lost

[long escarp]

If you’ve played Dark Souls 3, there are some similarities to Friede phase 2 or Demon Prince phase 1

[bright vine]

I find the minotaur on his own not that bad

[cunning urchin]

You can just fight the Minotaur behind pillars.

[long escarp]

It’s a spear btw

Fight Asterius while keeping an eye out for Theseus’ spear

[cunning urchin]

You'll get better at keeping track of where Theseus is with experience and practice.

One simple tip is that you can see a lot more horizontally than vertically.

[polar python]

Also use the sound cues to know when Theseus is about to throw the spear.

[bright vine]

Oh headset for that fight will do

[polar python]

You don't need him to be visible

[cunning urchin]

So try to keep Theseus to your left or right and have a pillar between you. That way, you'll usually be able to see him.

[bright vine]

Ripped off the boons were rare

[long escarp]

More importantly, the purple crosshair that appears on your character

[cunning urchin]

Rare isn't ripped off, though. They just a greater chance to be epic or rare.

[bright vine]

Uhh strong drink or positive outlook? I usually take the damage reduction but it seems like SD stacks damage if you get multiple fountains

[cunning urchin]

Working as intended.

[polar python]

The crosshair says you're being targeted, so can move into cover, but the sounds let you reliably dodge even if you are exposed

[long escarp]

True

[cunning urchin]

What's the third option?

[bright vine]

Health picking up nectar

[cunning urchin]

Take that one.

[bright vine]

What....

[cunning urchin]

Like I said.

Premium Vintage.

[polar python]

Strong drink in Elysium means only 2 more guaranteed fountains, and never more than 3. I'd only take that if Epic or you worry you'll be nearly dead after Heroes.

[bright vine]

I basicly never see nectar its just a heal noe, how is damage resistance not better?

[cunning urchin]

He'll drop a Nectar for you.

[bright vine]

Yeah 1 now like i said

[long escarp]

100%

Premium Vintage is great

[bright vine]

Umm k then

[long escarp]

A lot better when nectar gives you a pom. But still good

[polar python]

Yes, but without the extra pom effect from nectar, it's like a small health room

[cunning urchin]

The damage reduction is only at low health anyway.

[bright vine]

I found thanatos after the mino room

[long escarp]

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

So the value is pretty bad unless you already have a bunch of damage reduction.

But even then, the value of HP also goes up with the damage reduction you have.

It's not a bad boon, just requires certain conditions to be decent.

[long escarp]

Decent for LC4 SD