I cant find anything with enough hp to not phase right away lol
#h1-builds-and-combat
valid dagger
valid dagger
Just needs some rush delivery
You can send it somewhere else and send the link here
worn solar
^
like a private server or something
then link it
heartrend would prolly be better
by quite a bit
valid dagger
Nice
worn solar
makes crits do 450% instead of 300% dmg
splitting headache honestly doesnt do much
also heartbreak flourish gives weak and does better damage
and smouldering air prereq
heartrend is the arty/aphro duo
splitting is only 7.5% extra cc at max stacks. aint much tbh
well like double nova would also increase aphro special dmg
lvl 3 epic aphro special would be ~+200% i think
proven osprey
Nemesis dashes a whole lot, try to get hunter dash. Or any damage dash, at least
cunning urchin
I like a variation of that with Drunken Dash instead of Flourish + Heartbreak Flourish to also get Low Tolerance and Heart Rend. Could throw in Trippy Shot, even, to also aim for Black Out if you're running Gods' Legacy. (Also btw Splitting Headache and Nemesis get you way more crits if you also have Hunter's Mark with 1-2 poms on it. The crits will just kind of snowball.) 
terse thistle
We do love Crits all over
valid dagger
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing @chilly forge
Flood Flare and Trippy are popular builds yea
Flood flare is easy access to mirage if you get Artemis which you can force in Aspho
And Trippy is a lot of dmg due to poms
Moreso if you get Mirage
But its a lot less consistent
Due to using Stygian
Which means that you want another Cast from Chaos
Tough to get that sometimes
Passion Flare + Snow Burst is the norm for higher heats
Like 40-45
But others can work just fine
chilly forge
Passion Flare + Snow Burst is the norm for higher heats
For easy Privilege I've heard?
valid dagger
Yes, and its a lot of dmg too, you can run it with FF just fine
chilly forge
Got it
valid dagger
It's not like weaker than the rest by a lot, just a lot less dependent on other boons, you dont need Mirage for it
And Passion Flare applies weak to enemies so more dmg reduction
Chill slows them down
Ez wins
chilly forge
I've yet to get trippy prophecies so I suppose now that I've Beo unlocked its a good time to experiment
valid dagger
Indeed
Beo is very fun
Charged Shot Breaching Rush Sudden Rush Dashing Wallop Unyielding Defense gud hammers
Charged shot is at the top but can make you a little less safe because it removes your bullrush
chilly forge
Charged is ranged strike yes
valid dagger
Yes
chilly forge
Got that on my slicing flare run and it made it somewhat tougher
valid dagger
True
chilly forge
I'd like to think one of the nifty thing about charged shot is that it provides an alternative ranged option to special
Which feels like the Achilles heel of its moveset
valid dagger
Well it sort of does that but you kinda wanna be using it at close range instead of charging it on far enemies
If you have Fiery + High confidence you can use your Special still
For Witches and Brimstones
Faster than charging your thing all the way to the other side of the room
And possibly wasting a cast
chilly forge
Ah okay
chilly forge
Faster than charging your thing all the way to the other side of the room
Yea probably a bad decision I made after getting charged was to fire all my bloodstones exactly in that manner
valid dagger
lol
You get used to it eventually
Knowing what enemies die in 1-2-3 casts
So you dont load extras
Because it also wastes time to constantly pick them up
valid dagger
Yea, every aspect has that tbh
chilly forge
well it's no zag that I can say
unreal tree
proper furnace
Got that on my slicing flare run and it made it somewhat tougher
Dumb fact: ares legendary doesnt work at all in slicing flare for whatever reason
unreal tree
gilded pewter
what's a good build for the Arthur aspect of the sword?
bronze marten
what's a good build for the Arthur aspect of the sword?
Aphro attack, go smash things
Smair always a good call
gilded pewter
and what is the recommended Zeus boon for that duo?
valid dagger
Call
gilded pewter
and what do I aim for if I get extremely lucky and get smoldering air on the third room of my current run?
cunning urchin
Poms on Call, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt, Billowing Strength, maybe Second Wind...
gilded pewter
I can't english, what's all that stuff
valid dagger
Zeus T2s
Second Wind Hermes boon that gives you mvt speed and dodge chance after you use your call
Splitting Zeus Legendary
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot for Scintillating Feast, Phalanx Shot for maybe Lightning Phalanx...
If you happen to run into either of those two.
Frost Flourish or Mistral Dash + Static Discharge (and a couple poms on Static Discharge) to unlock Cold Fusion.
Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark from Lady Artemis is always nice in any build.
bronze marten
and what do I aim for if I get extremely lucky and get smoldering air on the thi...
Win
gilded pewter
and that's indeed what I did
oblique sierra
What's the general go to for guan yu?
valid dagger
Merciful End
worn solar
ME, heartrend, SmAir
valid dagger
The real go-to for Guan Yu is Charged Skewer
worn solar
zoos/seastorm speen build
valid dagger
worn solar
oblique sierra
what if ME don't drop
worn solar
speeeen
valid dagger
banned
valid dagger
what if ME don't drop
Well, usually for Guan you wanna go for an Epic Aphro Special or some Arty Special and pray for Charged Skewer
oblique sierra
ah
worn solar
quick massive spin stonks
valid dagger
Some decent attack + maybe divine dash
Just work with what you get and maybe try to open up some of the builds UnAnanas mentioned
worn solar
dem attack killing freeze stonks
valid dagger
And yea as I said you could just go Merciful End
Still very good even if it doesnt actually drop
Decent Special % and Doom on your attack
Can definitely get the job done
gl!
worn solar
big doom attack kinda stonks
unreal tree
Special build is so sad without cskewer
unreal tree
3/12 chance on 1st hammer 
foggy cosmos
got any chiron builds
proper furnace
@foggy cosmoscan also search "chiron builds" with discord search
bronze marten
Based
foggy cosmos
should i do 3 casts or 1 cast and regen for beowulf?
proper furnace
just looked at the speedrun discord to search about trippy flare pom bug was discovered, that was glorious
"why im doing 500 dmg to furies"
foggy cosmos
doing a flood flare run with Beowulf
do i take tempest flourish or flood flare first
both are epic and first boon
worn solar
do i take tempest flourish or flood flare first
well tempest flourish is kinda useless so grab the cast
unless special beo strats
worn solar
seastorm is only something youd go for after getting mirage shot
foggy cosmos
also Aphrodite is coming next, what to do 🥴
worn solar
also seastorm adds very little
worn solar
well a non core boon ig
foggy cosmos
heartbreak flourish
life affirmation
wave of dispair
so I'm guessing wave or life
hmmm
worn solar
affirmation ig
foggy cosmos
now ares
worn solar
curse of drowning is stonks try to get that
worn solar
thats not very great
foggy cosmos
pain or dash ig
worn solar
well vengeance wont open duos
foggy cosmos
do i need something special on my dash
foggy cosmos
maybe i should pick the special
foggy cosmos
forget if blade dash opens up CoD
just checked it does
worn solar
i wouldnt
worn solar
well you said cores open it up
proper furnace
Thats some gods pride gaming
foggy cosmos
ok so so far so good but meg almost killed me
worn solar
actually are you using gods pride?
foggy cosmos
🥴
worn solar
this why we use legacy on beo
foggy cosmos
i am using legacy
ok so i won
but hades almost killed me
on the bright side i kept the acorn the whole first fight so
that's good ig
worn solar
could try rebinding ig
worn solar
well its like a 40% dps increase after everything except other crit chance
when its active
which isnt that long
not really something youd base a build around but something youd add in after getting other stuff usually
like grab it after heartrend or merciful end or something
sterile fiber
now that I tried the Hunter's Flare meme - it's ok? It does need duos to get to full power, and the only clear advantage I can see is that Artemis start means a better shot at getting Fully Loaded
worn solar
its also kinda smol
valid dagger
Fully loaded is a tough one to aim for
last dirge
At least hunters flare leads into mirage shot
If you get a chaos boon for cast damage, it shouldnt be really worse than flood flare
Not sure about the size point.
Hunter's shot is just kinda bad besides its application method
foggy cosmos
okay so how do you dash
i mean
the dash attack
do you press dash and attack at the same time
do you press dash, then attack
foggy cosmos
i try it but i feel like I'm doing it wrong
foggy cosmos
you strike when you land?
valid dagger
Wdym
foggy cosmos
when the dash animation is over and you have moved
valid dagger
No, if you wait til your dash is over then move before you strike it becomes a standing attack
cunning urchin
do you press dash and attack at the same time
do you press dash, then attack
Both work.
foggy cosmos
so I'll guess I'll just press both buttons at once then thanks
valid dagger
I would get used to pressing one before the other
You can very easily tell
Whether you’re dash striking
And the duration is faster so you can also tell from that
cunning urchin
I press Dash and then Attack like one frame apart or pretty much at the same time unless I want to delay the strike.
Delay can be important in some situations because your Dash loses i-frames as soon as you press Attack.
worn solar
also like in the courtyard the tooltips for the moves light up
valid dagger
Need Charged volley now
foggy cosmos
i swear
every single run I've done today
has had the sack REALLY late
I'm in the fourth chamber atm still looking for it
last time it was on the fifth
i haven't gotten it earlier than the third today
for gods sake
IT WASN'T THERE
unreal tree
valid dagger
Peak unmodded experience
magic shell
A general question since I'm a newbie 😄 When I have to choose between upgrading my attack vs my cast, should I consider which one is better or just strictly go for attack?
I'm asking coz I had a run with a very strong Cast abilities but then after I shot 4 of them (+1 from the Chaos boi) I was hitting for like 50 and basically stunlocking enemies for a minute...and that didn't seem right :X
valid dagger
A general question since I'm a newbie 😄 When I have to choose between upgrading...
When you go to pick up a pom you basically have to consider where your dmg is coming from and choose accordingly while also considering diminishing returns
And if you have multiple dmg sources which one would make the most out of the pom
magic shell
So it is basically situational for every run and I should decide accordingly? Ok, I got it. Thx for the answer! I just have a feeling that in general going for Cast build doesn't seem very strong since you can only attack a limited amount of time and then you either smack an elephant with a toothpick
or you run around and wait for those crystals to fall off 😄
valid dagger
or you run around and wait for those crystals to fall off 😄
Ya it’s based on your run and build and such, it comes with experience, Cast builds can be very strong especially with some aspects and certain boons/duos, poms are also very nice on Casts for the most part
If you’re trying to do a Crystal Beam run you don’t really want those Crystals to fall off
Which is why people usually aim for Glacial Glare and maybe a pom or two on it
But the real upgrade to Crystal Beam is Crystal Clarity (Artemis Demeter Duo)
Makes it much more responsive and reliable
The aspect can matter because some passives can empower your casts in certain ways
Like Achilles’ raging Rush giving your cast +150% dmg
Massive
Poseidon Hera Beowulf Eris Talos can all be cast aspects too if you get a build going, not all casts are the same, should have something in mind before diving into a run
And of course other aspects can do a ton of dmg through their Casts, but it could be more of a secondary dmg source rather than your main way to deal damage, because usually you want other stuff first since the passives don’t really help your cast
Like Arthur
Usually you go for an attack first
And pick up a cast along the way
And maybe a call
Multiple dmg sources
Anyway you get the point
magic shell
I do! I think that the biggest mistake I've made was just putting all of my eggs into one basket
only attack/special/cast and just picking something else in case I didn't get the upgrade for an attack
diversify! hades is stonks!
cunning urchin
Most Casts have amazing pom scaling, so you typically can't go wrong with pomming your Cast, anyway. If you have no intention of pomming your Cast, you shouldn't take the Cast in the first place.
Except maybe if it's to unlock a Duo Boon that's unrelated to the Cast itself.
A Lv.1 Cast isn't much better than base Cast after Tartarus.
So by picking up a Cast that you have no intention to upgrade, you're just polluting your pom pool.
As for pomming your Attack, if it's a % Attack or Lightning, you're probably not benefitting much from more than a couple poms on it. And most of the time, you're better off focusing on getting certain support boons that scale your damage and probably pomming some of those.
Like Deadly Strike poms don't really matter, but if you can get Hunter's Mark and put a couple poms on that, that's gonna give you a whole lot of crits.
And then you'd also want Heart Rend for 4.5x crit damage instead of 3x.
And Chaos boons for your Attack.
So your main focus would be on getting those boons rather than poms.
Lightning Strike would want Static Discharge and then some poms on that.
Frost Strike would just want Killing Freeze etc. and maybe Cold Fusion.
Doom and Hangover and, to some extent, Heartbreak Strike are really the only Attack boons that benefit a lot from poms.
magic shell
I've got excited after our talk and jumped into the game, but still had the same problem 😄 So, if I don't get a boon with a crit I have a feeling I can hit the enemies for over an hour to kill them in Elysium, add +1 hour for defeating the bosses. I was playing with the spear and I got the crit boon for Special so I was just throwing it over and over and over and over and the crit wasn't consistent so I almost fell asleep
Ive got the Cast boon that turns them into static lasers and I pommed them a couple of times but I think it wasn't worth it since the increase in damage was just a couple of points and when the enemies move around they weren't even aiming at them half the time :X
Oh well, here I go again 😄
turbid needle
like what are you aiming for with your builds, it helps a lot to decide that early
strategies outside of crits also do a lot of damage
unreal tree
You cant just get one boon and call it a day
Crits are inconsistent without pressure points, Hunter's mark, deadly reversal or heart rend
Beams arent good at all without crystal clarity duo
+they have the worst pom scaling in the whole game
magic shell
like what are you aiming for with your builds, it helps a lot to decide that ear...
To kick everyone's butt! Honestly, I have like 15 runs behind my belt so I cannot really say I know what I am doing, I just mostly go with my gut. Like now, I can pom my lightning strike, divine flourish or crush shot, and I think I will go with lvl 2 crush shot because the increase of damage is the highest, whether is that a good decision or not
no idea 😮
unreal tree
To kick everyone's butt! Honestly, I have like 15 runs behind my belt so I canno...
This is all situational
valid dagger
Yea you shouldn't get side tracked by numbers only
turbid needle
good luck with your hades journey then
magic shell
good luck with your hades journey then
turbo helpful ❤️ thanks xD
valid dagger
The way you aim for certain builds is to take god keepsakes into Tartarus and Asphodel and avoid useless gods so you dont fill your god pool for no reason
Those alongside a few good natural boons here and there can be enough dmg to clear the game rather easily
turbid needle
I think its easier for people to recommend you builds, if you want to, when you say like you want to clear with a specific weapon or god. otherwise theres too many ways to do big dmg in this game
valid dagger
Yea that's very true
magic shell
So, it is way better to just stick with let's say 2/3 gods instead of going for 5-6 (if such a number is even possible)?
valid dagger
So, it is way better to just stick with let's say 2/3 gods instead of going for ...
Your god pool is 4 gods (no hermes no chaos), you can force more through keepsakes and sometimes rng can get you 5 through a shop (low chance, its also optional and not a force), what I meant to say is that its better to have a pool of 4 gods that can help your build become stronger, like a Beowulf Cast build for example, lets say you have Flood Flare + Deadly Strike (the usual), you still have 2 god stots, Aphro wouldnt be that great for such a build because she cant do a whole lot (just weak application) compared to someone like Demeter (snow burst/ rw, can apply chill, so she can be just as good as Aphro defensively while aslo giving you dmg), these things are tough to maneuver sometimes and sometimes you just get forced into them but its good to be mindful of your decisions so you dont pollute your duo pool or pom pool etc
Experience and practice will help you make better decisions anyway, but yea if you have some aspect in mind that you like, you can ask for ways to build it/play it, the same goes for an aspect that you find underwhelming, you might be building it wrong, there it too much to cover without knowing your goals atm
cunning urchin
I've got excited after our talk and jumped into the game, but still had the same...
Focusing on spear special certainly doesn't help. That thing does no damage unless you happen to get Exploding Launcher or use Guan Yu. The base damage is just terrible.
If you don't get good hammers on spear (i.e., Flurry Jab, Serrated Point, Exploding Launcher), you're basically stuck just doing Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat to try to get some damage. So you're probably best off starting Tidal Dash and putting poms into that because the base damage and pom scaling is really good, and it doesn't rely on you getting good hammers.
magic shell
Hey, I just started thinking a little with those talents, and I got to 2nd phase of Hades for the first time 😄 I totally forgot that I can give nectar to gods, so I gave one to Demeter and I will try a run with her keepsake soon ^^
but I'm seeing progress, thanks for the advice, I don't fully understand all of them since I don't remember the names of boons by heart
but I will get there 😄
valid dagger
gl!
pliant dirge
Does Zeus shield have a faster charge or something? it feels so much faster
or does Beo have a slower
that'd make more sense
dark plover
probably just beo slow
lucid oar
Beo is slower
dark plover
beo is
very slow
every hidden aspect just makes the weapon slower
except Lucifer i guess
unreal tree
Guan yu isnt slower
dark plover
i thought the combo is slower
unreal tree
Just the normal attacks, but you never use them anyway because you're focusing on your special build/merciful end
turbid needle
lucifer actually has slower fire startup so
sterile fiber
Does the 3rd phase of EM4 not fully fill his HP or did I just find a glitch
unreal tree
Its 75 or 80%
sterile fiber
good to know thanks
undone heath
Okay so
for Excalibur I mostly use Aphrodite attack
But Posiedon attack with Typhoons Fury (or whatever one increases wall slam damage) makes sense
Should I try it out?
valid dagger
You can try it
But it's terrible for a short answer lol
Aphrodite is one of the best attacks for Arthur, especially if the attack boon has rarity
pliant dirge
Artemis, right?
valid dagger
Artemis, right?
Excuse me
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike averages out to second best due to crits.
cunning urchin
Best at common even.
valid dagger
But crits make up for it
big % + crits would be unbalanced
Imagine aphro attack but with 15% crit chance
pliant dirge
And thats what I'm saying, I didnt mention crits :x
valid dagger
pliant dirge
Imagine aphro attack but with 15% crit chance
Funny big number go bigger
cunning urchin
Imagine aphro attack but with 15% crit chance
What about 30%?
Peak Nemesis gaming.
valid dagger
What about 30%?
But, the boon tooltip should say:
Your attack is stronger by 99% and has a 15% Chance to deal Critical Dmg, and your Special makes you lunge forward and applies sturdy for 3 sec
Then it's balanced
Maybe
oblique sierra
any particular aspect I should use when going for Blizzard Shot Curse of Nausea and Cold Embrace? Those are the last 3 duo boons I need for prophecy so just going to play with those boons until I get them
cunning urchin
Talos for Blizzard Shot.
cunning urchin
Neither. 
foggy cosmos
the other option is cursed slash
cunning urchin
I'd probably take that tbh with you.
cunning urchin
Flurry Slash is awful. You can't empty-dash nor dash-strike properly with that.
I guess World Splitter is alright but it doesn't really do anything if you optimize your damage rotations with Nemesis since you're just doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 anway.
Cursed Slash also doesn't do anything while reducing your HP by 60%, but... at least it can be fun to heal back HP with normal attacks if you've made some mistakes?
At high heat I would def take World Splitter there.
cunning urchin
lol
little quiver
what boons work well with nemesis sword, besides artemis attack
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend. Also get Hunter's Mark and as many Strike and Lunge boons from Master Chaos as you can.
And probably take Hunter Dash.
- look for Cyclops Jerkies in Wells of Charon.
little quiver
@cunning urchin thanks 🙂
got pretty lucky with my natural aphro then^^
cunning urchin
Crits only really scale well with Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark, and Chaos boons. So you want to prioritize those above all.
Well, and Hunter Dash in the case of Deadly Strike.
Hunter's Mark is priority target for your poms.
little quiver
oh ok, gotta find more artemis then, and hope for a few chaos gates
foggy cosmos
doing hera with aphro cast again
what should i put in special and attack
wait i might reset
chose flurry shot 🥴
valid dagger
Special doesnt matter
You can put a god that helps you unlock a duo
But you dont actually use your special at all
Attack put Artemis if you can
If not any% is okay
Flurry is good but tough to learn
cunning urchin
I don't think hold down Attack and mash Cast is that hard to learn.
foggy cosmos
i dislike underworld customs
this run i got barely what i needed
and i was forced to purge it 
proper furnace
using dark foresight no?
foggy cosmos
i think I'm using gods favor now
proper furnace
next run swap OF for dark foresight
UC isnt that bad that way
nvm you were using DF
foggy cosmos
yeah i was just unlucky
bronze marten
i think I'm using gods favor now
use dark foresight and never swap it back again
its bascially 8 to 10 more good rewards throughout a run
foggy cosmos
yeah I'm using it
foggy cosmos
i need 200 keys i want the cthonic ui
proven jackal
So, guys
Dash Boon tier list?
I'd like to know what to use when Divine Dash isn't available
proven jackal
tidal dash
Got that one in my first run, good memories
unreal tree
blade dash is great with some more upgrades from ares(engulfing+poms)
proven jackal
Sweats in only ever used ranged once
cunning urchin
Passion Dash is great for Heart Rend things with Deadly Strike and has decent pom scaling.
unreal tree
passion dash is good for weak application
unreal tree
Got that one in my first run, good memories
its even stronger with razor shoals
proven jackal
I usually just use Weak on attacks or cast(?)
cunning urchin
*Sweats in only ever used ranged once*
Well, that's nothing to sweat over. We all start somewhere.
proven jackal
its even stronger with razor shoals
No idea what that is, still not past Elysium
cunning urchin
It's a boon from Poseidon.
cunning urchin
Try to get everyone's keepsakes and level them up. That'll help a lot.
Also, the #h1-for-new-players channel is spoiler-free if you care for that.
proven jackal
Once I get Athena's I'm never taking it off for Tartarus
cunning urchin
Yeah, her Dash is pretty good.
proven jackal
Eeeh, not so much
cunning urchin
Don't underestimate how much help getting a ton of damage from your Dash can be, though.
proven jackal
My strat for keepsakes for now is God Keepsake- Cerberus- Skelly
proven jackal
True
cunning urchin
Try god keepsake > god keespake > Acorn > Acorn.
proven jackal
But really, it came in clutch against the Hydra and the Witches Circle
cunning urchin
Acorn should help you get past the boss in Elysium.
cunning urchin
And taking two different god keepsakes in the first two biomes gives you some decent control over your build.
When you're not sure what god to go for, Chthonic Coin Purse is always a great choice.
proven jackal
Yeah, that one would've come in clutch a few times
But can we agree that Pressure Points is absurdly good?
worn solar
1% crit a pom isnt exactly a lot
bronze marten
pp and mark means like
crit everything
pp by itself is fun on like, meme beam
but not life changing
basically just makes it like, your charmander can get a critical on a caterpie with scratch now
sterile fiber
did someone just @ me here or is it a glitch in the matrix
oblique sierra
Did you take the blue pill
sterile fiber
Took the cyan one
sonic niche
are there any good spear aspects?
plain moat
achilles
vale imp
guan yu is great as well, not really advisable to use it until it's fully upgraded though
foggy cosmos
trying to get a good Achilles build
steel bramble
ok ive got kind of a busted run
foggy cosmos
Achilles guide ^
one that doesn't depend on flurry jab forgot to say
steel bramble
epic drunken strike, epic crystal beam glacial glare and epic peer pressure just defeated first boss. also targeting system
foggy cosmos
I'm a casual player so resetting is too much trouble for me
sterile fiber
You can just play it without Flurry jab
Resetting is for super high heat and speedruning only
shell sleet
I'd probably take that tbh with you.
is it not world splitter there since its the one that nerfs you the least
shell sleet
I don't think hold down Attack and mash Cast is that hard to learn. <:dusa:52224...
also hera and especially flurry hera hard on KBM :[
steel bramble
whats the most efficient spinny shield doom attacks trigger doom cheese combo
in terms of which boons to get? I thought it was doom on special, attack deflect
lone jetty
You mean merciful end on Zeus? Doom wherever is fine, take the higher rarity if offered both. Assuming the Special is on top of the baddie, the limiting factor on triggering ME on Zeus shield is how quickly you attack either way
sterile fiber
Press the attack at the end of the dash, so you have the dash's duration to decide whether it's safe to do it
foggy cosmos
do i have to do contact damage with the dash?
oblique sierra
No, attacking removes iframes I believe
void sorrel
Looking to experiment w new controls, preferably with the dash on RB
What control layouts do u guys use (for controller
turbid needle
you can just do cast achilles if you dont care about atk
hunting blades or crystal clarity
cunning urchin
is it not world splitter there since its the one that nerfs you the least
I said I'd take it because it can be fun, but that at high heat I would take World Splitter.
I've also seen Cursed Slash help a lot of newer players get clears. They tend to rely more on the normal Attack combo.
In which case Cursed Slash can give you a lot more eHP than you lose from taking it.
teal cipher
Had a pretty fun first run with the max level Guan Yu, got deflect on the attack and doom special and ended up with a really strong Merciful End combo, are there any other cracked ME builds anyone can recommend?
Also now curious if the combo could be better with the boons switched ie Deflect on the Special for quick detonations and Doom on the attack to apply continuous stacks with the spin
valid dagger
Had a pretty fun first run with the max level Guan Yu, got deflect on the attack...
This but the other way around
valid dagger
Also now curious if the combo could be better with the boons switched ie Deflect...
Yea exactly
Your Special isnt that great at applying Doom when it comes to Guan Yu
You can use that build on basically anything
It's not too good on bows
Sword (not Arthur) and Fists make use of it really well
teal cipher
Yeah I went a bit cautious so took the deflecting attack as my first boon hoping it would help with survivability
And tbf the range of the deflect is kinda broken
I havent done much testing on deflect in general, is it usually that crazily disjointed? With the spin I was deflecting basically every projectile in the room every time I fired it
Wayyyy outside the visual range of the hit effect itself
valid dagger
Yea Deflect is very strong
teal cipher
I think I killed that bullet hell room with the mages spamming orbs with about 2 spins into thin air
Incredibly satisfying
sonic niche
Is it worth playing on lv 2 guan Yu or just using a regular spear
foggy cosmos
heavy knuckle or breaching cross 
foggy cosmos
Is it worth playing on lv 2 guan Yu or just using a regular spear
give it more blood
strange lark
breaching
valid dagger
Breaching Cross best fists hammer by far
foggy cosmos
i need to get good at dash striking
valid dagger
Guan Yu can be challenging
Health penalty requires your boss fights to be very solid
Especially when the weapon is not lv5
You can give it a shot, you'll find out that way
teal cipher
Dont forget about Abyssal blood too, I almost wrote it off because I didnt wanna drop damage but it does help survivability a good amount with guan yu
turbid needle
if you can like stay safe with pressing special over and over u can do okay anyway
unreal tree
abyssal blood isnt worth it outside of fists
solemn pond
Does Hermes attack speed up help the charge speed of bow?
proper furnace
Only of non dash strikes
solemn pond
Thanks!
unreal tree
Thanks!
One instance where its really useful is with flurry shot
Since you mostly attack and dont dash strike while firing
sterile fiber
Looking to experiment w new controls, preferably with the dash on RB
What contr...
Switch btw
foggy cosmos
haven't found mirage shot yet
foggy cosmos
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/919297135604826172/2...
I'm stealing these
foggy cosmos
probably remapping while playing wasn't the best idea
unreal tree
Haha muscle memory go brrr
foggy cosmos
is athena on special good for eris?
unreal tree
its alright
foggy cosmos
doing the epilogue quest so I'm trying not to avoid the gods i get
teal cipher
Clearing out the area a bit so you can dash in more safely is nice on eris yeah
sterile fiber
I'm stealing these
nooo what would I use then /s
sonic niche
I’m very much liking Ares-Zeus on Zeg spear
With Aphro dash
Extra dashes to make up for lack of Athena
worn solar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/913203342526791710/Hades_11_23_2021_4_51_58_AM.png clearly the best binds
sterile fiber
Ah yes, Hades, the hit up-down scrolling adventure game
plain moat
oohhh those are good binds
foggy cosmos
man
Lucifer is hard on controller
you have to turn off the autoaim
if you want to use the balls
worn solar
well you can sweep the beam across and it usually triggers. damaging them with your dash or anything else also works
last dirge
I use the balls with autoaim
You learn tricks and timing
And yeah lots of way to proc them
They're mines
I did a cast build on Lucifer once
Trippy Shot and Snow Burst
foggy cosmos
ALRIGHT
rentless volley or concentrated volley
actually none i forgot I'm using hera lol
worn solar
rentless volley or concentrated volley
well if you were using chiron then concentrated
foggy cosmos
fiery or shadow presence for achilles spear
cunning urchin
Probably Shadow, but it shouldn't matter too much.
polar python
well if you were using chiron then concentrated
Both both is great if you can get it.
pastel oar
I have learned really fast that while i didn't like the 3 base aspects of the stygian blade, Arthur is literally my favorite weapon
pliant dirge
When offered the choice between Rocket and Cluster on the first hammer, which should I pick?
valid dagger
When offered the choice between Rocket and Cluster on the first hammer, which sh...
I take Rocket
pliant dirge
Rocket it is
shell sleet
if youre controller 100% rocket
pliant dirge
kbm
valid dagger
It's even better if you're on Eris
pliant dirge
It's even better if you're on Eris
I am on Eris yea
valid dagger
Rocket helps you absorb your special instantly
valid dagger
Yes
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish is obviously the best option. 
pliant dirge
b-b-but funny crit
cunning urchin
You know it in your heart to be true.
shell sleet
b-b-but funny crit
arty is overall preferred on speedruns and stuff because her supporting boons make her damage edge out aphro
but aphro good too
cunning urchin
Lies and slander. 
cunning urchin
long escarp
I am on Eris yea
Rocket is really good for Eris
proper furnace
Rocket comfy
cunning urchin
Cluster Bomb is better sustained DPS in a vacuum, but Rocket Bomb just one-shots enemies a lot of the time long before Cluster Bombs hit the ground.
pliant dirge
alright so it's just Rockets first and then hope for Cluster/Triple/Delta
cunning urchin
Not Triple really.
cunning urchin
Target System is good.
long escarp
Delta is incredibly good for safety because the extra i-frames. Arguably the best Eris hammer for high heat
cunning urchin
Cluster is ideal if you already have Rocket Bomb.
long escarp
But is delta any good for speedruns? I guess I don’t know what kind of run you’re going for
cunning urchin
Delta is incredibly good for safety because the extra i-frames. Arguably the bes...
Best single hammer for sure.
long escarp
Yeah
cunning urchin
It's alright for speed.
unreal tree
delta's good for heatin
long escarp
It sure is
long escarp
I don’t think it’s good for speedruns though, as far as I’m aware
unreal tree
I don’t think it’s good for speedruns though, as far as I’m aware
there has been a sub 6 eris with rocket+delta
terse thistle
Clocket comes rarely but when it shows…. It explodes everything. Like party celebration kinda fun
long escarp
Damn
shell sleet
I don’t think it’s good for speedruns though, as far as I’m aware
i always feel like delta second hammer is a lot more useful than idk peircing or something
i dont know how accurate that is, just how it feels to me when i play
long escarp
Well I mean piercing does basically nothing so… sure?
unreal tree
piercing on the 10 base attack damage
long escarp
It’s really a question of how it actually affects DPS
terse thistle
I like piercing since it makes short work of armored foes especially in Elysium
unreal tree
its nice to pierce shields
valid dagger
I know lili tested it with Zeus on the attack
shell sleet
Well I mean piercing does basically nothing so… sure?
yeah and literally every other rail hammer not named cluster or targeting does nothing aswell
long escarp
Piercing is great for Hestia but basically worthless for Eris
terse thistle
Shield bois are my worst nightmare
long escarp
I mean Eris can just burst them down super easily, no?
terse thistle
Not if they block it all
long escarp
Just… attack from behind?
long escarp
Are you speedrunning?
terse thistle
Flurry?
pliant dirge
Tried to
unreal tree
flurry does nothing useful
long escarp
Hmm, guess not then
long escarp
Wym
long escarp
Looks like delta is better bad for speedruns
unreal tree
its seperate for strike/bolt
long escarp
Oh does it mess those up?
unreal tree
flurry doesnt do anything to help you maximize damage
or just not enough to justify it
long escarp
Looks like it helps a bit but not a ton
Definitely better than Delta
But not better than any of the good hammers
unreal tree
its also just weird to me because my muscle memory just makes me reload after 12 shots anyway
so flurry messes with that
pastel oar
So I'm trying to get the aspect of Lucifer and like zeus hasn't been showing up
valid dagger
So I'm trying to get the aspect of Lucifer and like zeus hasn't been showing up
You mean for the Jolts?
pastel oar
Unless I just miscounted how much Titans blood I've used
flat garden
better yet use the keepsake
foggy cosmos
what do you think of haelian aspect tier list
proven osprey
which one?
lucid oar
Good for casuals, not the most representative for high heat and speedruns
turbid needle
I hardly remember it but pretty much that yea
its not a terrible list
but I think he puts that as a disclaimer - its his personal enjoyment list
proven osprey
if GY is low, tier list bad
turbid needle
I have stinky news for you
proven osprey
tier list bad confirmed then 
valid dagger
worn solar
if GY is low, tier list bad
good tier list you mean
proven osprey
You're wrong unepomme
turbid needle
gy is unironicially my fav spear prob
turbid needle
just do a spin build
unreal tree
on 54?
valid dagger
Why not
turbid needle
gy on 54
valid dagger
Handles DC
turbid needle
👃
valid dagger
PRetty gud
proven osprey
Deadly strike Quick+massive can do it imo
unreal tree
turbid needle
when I say I like gy I mean I never played it on rly high heat 
valid dagger
Yea Guan yu is really fun for like 40
unreal tree
with flaring copium
we do a lot of coping around here its fine
unreal tree
Yea Guan yu is really fun for like 40
astaos still holding guan 40 record
that elysium was frickin crazy
proven osprey
yeah was kinda blessed
turbid needle
based
sick abyss
Any hot tips for getting that first 16 heat victory? I'm kinda obsessed with the chiron bow.
valid dagger
As long as you avoid the terrible heat modifiers and build your weapon the same way you would normally (Sea Storm/ Heartrend / Low Tolerance) you shouldnt have any issues
Just try to keep your bossfights clean
foggy cosmos
what modifiers are you using
sick abyss
As long as you avoid the terrible heat modifiers and build your weapon the same ...
What are considered the worst modifiers? I recently found out I'll never touch EM4 again unless I absolutely have to 😂
sick abyss
I would love to avoid EM3, but it's a nice bump in heat. Normally fine with JS and weirdly the increased attack/move speed one?
cunning urchin
AP2 is a bad idea if you want to have anything resembling a build.
I'd also stay away from FO if you have difficulty clearning.
Unless you just enjoy FO or want to practice for high heat, perhaps.
sick abyss
Forced Overtime, that's the one lol
cunning urchin
Yeah. I don't even recommend that for 32 Heat, normally, unless people want to practice for 40+ eventually.
cunning urchin
LC4 is kind of unnecessary for 16 Heat, too.
last dirge
Yeah
Generally that low, just avoid the very bad stuff and do whatever you feel comfortable with
Some is better than others but just avoid anything that will make the game way way harder for now
cunning urchin
Can just keep it simple with something like EM2 BP2 MM TD3.
last dirge
Yeah
sick abyss
I'm very close to the platinum trophy on playstation and 16 heat is the last real challenge
cunning urchin
Probably EM3 TD2 if you're really struggling with TD3.
sick abyss
Is TD3 five minutes?
sick abyss
Woof, yeah I'm pretty okay with TD2 but TD3 intimidates me lol I'll sometimes get out of Tartarus juuuust over 5 min so... Almost there
valid dagger
Getting out of Tartarus just under 5 minutes isnt any better for TD3
The way you play around TD3 when you get into Heat is you wanna save time in Tartarus and Asphodel so you dont time out in Elysium
If your Tart is 5 minutes your Ely is 8
Struggling with TD doesnt really mean your run is dead
cunning urchin
Woof, yeah I'm pretty okay with TD2 but TD3 intimidates me lol I'll sometimes ge...
Cat pic, rabbit as name, but goes "woof".
An imposter.
valid dagger
Struggling with TD doesnt really mean your run is dead
Just generally a good indicator that you're not exactly on pace
Atleast not without really good rng like a lot of free rooms in Ely
Which you cant rely on
sick abyss
How bad is the damage once you timeout?
cunning urchin
How bad is the damage once you timeout?
Anyone who timed out has never been heard from again.
So we don't know.
m sure they're fine.
valid dagger
Clearing the game in less than 20 minutes consistently isn't really speedrunning but there are some habits that you should have and get used to to get those Tarts down to low/mid 3s and get a better pace from the start
summer forge
is that guide with all the builds for each weapon pinned?
cunning urchin
Nope.
foggy cosmos
i can barely do TD2
foggy cosmos
How bad is the damage once you timeout?
it's actually quite generous
it ticks like -15 every other second
so you can do it ig
by that point you'll probably be already dying anyways
cunning urchin
Your last clear was 16:59. You can do TD3 just fine.
foggy cosmos
that was my first sub 20 though
cunning urchin
it ticks like -15 every other second
It's 5 per second like MiKE already said.
cunning urchin
You'll be alright with TD3 if you just turn it on.
sick abyss
I definitely just... Play faster when I have TD on. Just haven't used it in a while as I grinded out story quests and max keepsakes
foggy cosmos
You'll be alright with TD3 if you just turn it on.
I'm doing a td2 crush shot run in your honor
eh let's do td3 crust shot hera
sterile fiber
that's the Hera speed build lol
foggy cosmos
well i accidentally chose charon
so i looked like a fool just dropping my casts on the floor
sonic niche
How is a Talos Poseidon Ares build?
valid dagger
Any %
valid dagger
That would be fine, you can get Curse of Longing Sweet Nectar etc good stuff
If you really wanna make Ares attack much stronger tho you can go for Merciful end instead
cunning urchin
You'll be fine.
valid dagger
gets 5 sacked
sonic niche
do you need hades' ult to be able to use pets
during his fight
oh nvm
wiki moment
i tihnk i have max skelly and max meg
i have their pets
seems like i missed smth cuz i couldnt use it during the fight
big sadge
lol stil lgot a PR
im slow so it was a 27m so whatever
im so confused
i have 7 with skelly and meg, and maxed out hades
why don't i have access to batte
do i count the arrow hearts as wel
foggy cosmos
just beat charon for the first time
cunning urchin
How do y’all clear super fast
This is a good starting point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Mmoo4oTKU
patent frost
im going for ares attk, artemis cast, aphrodite dash, and aphrodite call
&i just got an option between zues and athena
what should i go for?
or should i do artemis special, aphrodite cast & athena dash?
cunning urchin
What weapon aspect?
patent frost
fist- talos
cunning urchin
What boons do you have now?
cunning urchin
Lady Athena for Divine Flourish.
Then get their Duo Boon, Merciful End.
And Divine Dash.
Put poms on Attack.
patent frost
thank you 
cunning urchin
Also try to get Impending Doom from Lord Ares after you got Merciful End, and get a couple poms on that as well.
Avoid taking a Cast or Call from other gods because that will open other Duo Boons.
Which will make it harder to get Merciful to End.
raven swift
tryna do a build for the aspect of hades spear, idk what boons to go for tho
foggy cosmos
charged shot or sudden rush for zeus shield
foggy cosmos
tryna do a build for the aspect of hades spear, idk what boons to go for tho
look up Achilles guide on the server, there's a good Google doc
basically tidal dash and Artemis attack
then ares cast
and get their duos
foggy cosmos
charged shot or sudden rush for zeus shield
doing sudden actually because i don't think i would benefit from charged as much as with beowulf
proper furnace
look up Achilles guide on the server, there's a good Google doc
They said hades spear tho
last dirge
It's good though
last dirge
tryna do a build for the aspect of hades spear, idk what boons to go for tho
You can do just Artemis attack and it honestly works pretty well
Just treat the spin as a ranged attack
Do a spin to tag enemies, and set up hunters mark when you get it
Then dash strike into enemies, starting with marked once that is available
You can also do Merciful End with Ares attack Athena special
Heart Rend with Passion Dash or Aphrodite attack maybe, then Artemis special
You generally want either massive spin or quick spin. If you are using special too, go for explosive launcher
You can do other stuff but these are probably the top 3 builds
Both rely on crits. Its limited but a fun aspect imo.
long escarp
It's good though
Well…
last dirge
Are you measuring the entire game by conditions set by high heat
Stuff you dont even need to take with some heat
And the majority of players likely dont even go to 16, and even less past 16 heat.
Hades spear changes how spear is used
It does so fairly well. I wouldnt put it as high as Eris, but maybe in a similar rank to Hestia
worn solar
It does so fairly well. I wouldnt put it as high as Eris, but maybe in a similar...
how is hades anywhere close to hestia
last dirge
Hestia isnt amazing
It's a niche weapon that few things work on if you play it to its strengths
Hestia is safer
worn solar
hestia can do 60 heat
worn solar
It's a niche weapon that few things work on if you play it to its strengths
how is it niche
sterile fiber
but would you put Divine Strike on say, Eris
last dirge
Yeah
worn solar
using hestia special is literally free
worn solar
last dirge
Where he often avoided special
worn solar
youre putting it similar to hades spear
last dirge
Max heat and speedruns also isnt the whole community
worn solar
ya know what, that's actually reasonable given your display name. Props.
true
so like whats the metric supposed to be even
sterile fiber
Someone actually made Doom Hestia work on the reddit rando DC2 week
worn solar
thats vague
last dirge
Maybe I'm off but Hades isnt bad at all
Complex systems are vague
Would you rather tie it to just one thing so it's not vague
worn solar
like hestia run are much less hammer or boon dependent on hades ,safer, youre prolly gunna be doing a lot more damage
foggy cosmos
hades is a good game i agree
worn solar
i think thats plenty
last dirge
Sure. You nitpicked one point.
worn solar
Would you put Dionysus, Zeus, Ares on Hestia attack?
well this is the only thing you said and idk what your point is
last dirge
Fine. Its comparable to Arthur?
My point is that Hades aspect isnt awful or something you should just avoid
worn solar
if youre comparing it to hestia at least explain it a little
last dirge
I was comparing it in terms of what boons work on it, that pool being usually limited to percentage boons on attack and possibly also using special to supplement dps.
worn solar
you can always grab their boons on different slots though
last dirge
And overall how effective I've found it. I havent played the most but I've put like 300+ hours in.
Like using Hestia special primarily?
Sure
And sometimes if they're both percentage boons, yeah it doesnt matter that much
Whether Artemis or Aphro is on attack or special. Though one order is usually better.
worn solar
like you were talking about eris earlier and like melon said you dont want percent boons on eris attack
long escarp
Are you measuring the entire game by conditions set by high heat
Well if you’re not, then literally everything is super incredible. You can clear 0 heat with no boons at all and an unupgraded zag sword, and it’s not even very difficult tbh.
last dirge
I've done heat though. I don't always want to progress.
long escarp
You can’t measure how good something is if you don’t measure it in a context where something being good is required.
last dirge
And like I said, more players play at no heat than those who play at high heat
long escarp
Then it doesn’t matter to them what’s good.
last dirge
Context of when it is good is very important
long escarp
Doesn’t mean some things aren’t good and others less good
worn solar
what works at high heat works better at low heat
last dirge
That's why the best aspects are the best
Not necessarily always but sure
Beowulf is always good
long escarp
Right and that’s why I said Hades is not good.
last dirge
Hades is not good at high heat because it is slow yes
long escarp
You can say “but it’s great at low heat” but literally everything is so…
worn solar
also speedrunning
last dirge
The game is literally slower at low heat
long escarp
I’m aware
last dirge
So why should a new player who just wants to explore the game and world just avoid a weapon aspect that works fine at low heat
long escarp
It does so fairly well. I wouldnt put it as high as Eris, but maybe in a similar...
You gotta be joking
long escarp
Hestia is the 3rd best aspect in the game imo
How??
What is your point then??
I’m looking at actual points your making
last dirge
Because there is a wall of text on that one sentence
long escarp
Because right now you’re not saying any actual points
last dirge
That I already clarified
Because you keep returning to one point that I rescinded
You're right. This isn't going anywhere.
long escarp
Oh, cool. So you no longer agree with that point. Cool.
All I’m saying is that you can’t say “yes this aspect is bad for both high heat and speedruns but it’s still better than some aspects that are good for both of those things”, and then have your only explanation be “not everyone plays at high heat or speedruns”. Because that doesn’t make sense.
molten shoal
here i go using hades spear cause spin go brr
long escarp
Go for it
valid dagger
foggy cosmos
how do you kill em3 asterius in melee
last dirge
Same rules apply but be tighter and the whirlwind forces you to stop hugging
unreal tree
how do you kill em3 asterius in melee
Dash through his swings and jumps while not attacking
When he starts his spinning animation back off
Important to focus him down on melee, then deal with theseus later
last dirge
It comes with practice to their timings
foggy cosmos
just did 14 heat, I'll be able to do 16 in no time
long escarp
how do you kill em3 asterius in melee
get behind him
pliant dirge
Went back to Hera due to no good hammers on sword... 4:55 out of asphodel... man I suck with Hera
pliant dirge
What Hammers should I try and get besides Flurry? triple?
unreal tree
What Hammers should I try and get besides Flurry? triple?
triple and twin are also great options
hera isnt too hammer reliant
can still cope with point blank/perfect shot until elysium
pliant dirge
Flurry is just... pain to use without Recall
okay... got a nice sword run going on 4:01 into Lernie... kinda screwed over myself twice in Asphodel
valid dagger
I wouldnt recommend Flurry for kbm honestly lol
Like it is really great is you master it but that's tough
I find triple to be more comfortable
pliant dirge
aaaaaand I got screwed by Hermes :x no dashes with like 3 total rerolls :c
proven monolith
For aspect of talos, should I be going for more of an attack build or buffing up the damage on my special?
long escarp
Probably just Zeus attack and ignore special tbh
proven osprey
For aspect of talos, should I be going for more of an attack build or buffing up...
The special is good when cancelled out to shorten the animation. With a good cast such as phalanx shot, your early game will be very solid.
Always try to apply the debuff since it's 50% for both attack and cast. However, it will fall off late game so the special debuff won't be that useful against Dad (it takes time, might as well punch). Also, do not bother about the boon you have on it. It will be here just to seek duos or fill core boons.
The special animation is way too long and the damage won't be there. Pull up your foes, dash to cancel, punch em.
So yeah, your build will revolve around your attack, the cast being good as a bonus/for early game
proven monolith
okay, thank you so much!
proven osprey
Also your pfp is not that bad dw 