h1-builds-and-combat

[cunning urchin]

Guides for Eris and Achilles.

[pliant dirge]

Thanks! :D

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis is great for getting sub 12, too.

So if that's your best aspect, you don't need to learn other aspects to get sub 12.

[pliant dirge]

Well, it's not really my best aspect in all honesty. Time wise? yea, but I'm not great at keeping the special + dashstrike combo up

[cunning urchin]

Ah gotcha.

[shell sleet]

why is serrated point bad if you have flurryjab first hammer?

[valid dagger]

Well, Flurry Jab is enough and you can dish out a lot of dash strikes with it alone, which makes Serrated basically just a dash nerf

[shell sleet]

but serrated still effectively triples dashstrike damage right

[cunning urchin]

The dash distance hurts your DPS.

[valid dagger]

It’s also tougher to empty dash sometimes

[cunning urchin]

You also can't do a Flurry Jab into Dash without getting a Dash-Attack. And if you input just a Dash-Attack, you'll always get a Flurry Jab after.

That's with an already nerfed dash.

[valid dagger]

I like Serrated on guan yu

But that’s another story, and it’s actually a good hammer for it if you can play it decently well with the reduced dash

[cunning urchin]

It's good on Achilles, too. It's just not a happy combo with Flurry Jab.

[unreal tree]

Cease

[valid dagger]

[cunning urchin]

MiKE has a point.

A serrated point.

[ionic crown]

[sudden dagger]

Hello

[pliant dirge]

Learning the rail again, first Eris run is 14:25, was on a pretty good pace but 4 sack :(

[unreal tree]

Are you on kbm by any chance?

[valid dagger]

If you're on kbm turn on dash at cursor for peak gaming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[pliant dirge]

Yes

[unreal tree]

Turn off aim at cursor when playing rail

Its a world of difference

It aims for you and you can focus on aiming the special and dashing instead of aiming

[pliant dirge]

I'll try that after this run, thanks!

[unreal tree]

Make sure to still use it for other weapons though, fists can still benefit from it somewhat

[pliant dirge]

So, what Hammers do you want to focus on? Delta Chamber and/or Cluster + Rockets?

[valid dagger]

Clockets for speedrunning usually

[unreal tree]

Rocket-cluster-targeting-triple-delta

[pliant dirge]

In this order?

[unreal tree]

From most to least relevant

[pliant dirge]

ah

[unreal tree]

Flurry is worse than delta usually

[pliant dirge]

Yea I can see that, 6 rounds more is kinda not worth it

Okay last question, what times should I try and target for each area?

[valid dagger]

Your goal is sub 10 for now I assume?

[pliant dirge]

Sub 12, just trying to beat my old 12 min run as of now, but sub 10 is the endgoal

[valid dagger]

Keep in mind you can save time to compensate so the numbers I give you are pretty generalized since there is rng involved when it comes to enemies/rooms/lore rooms/fountains/chaos etc but I would look for
Sub-3 Tart
Sub-5 Aspho
Sub-8 Ely
then pray for a 2-sack and no darkness from the fight

[pliant dirge]

Alright, I'll try! Just got out of Asphodel at 5:20

[valid dagger]

That's fine then

These guidelines can get you sub 11 if not sub10 so a little over that is fine

Ely is usually just the pain to deal with

Because enemies are beefy etc

[shell sleet]

pray for no darkness
instead dad decides to insta darkness each time and all my casts fly into the water

very cool dad, thanks

[valid dagger]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/ Also make sure you read this guide so you know what to look for

If your build doesnt come together your dmg is gonna fall off really bad

[pliant dirge]

If a run doesn't come together late in the game (speaking after Elysium) do you just press Give Up or do you just let yourself die in Styx?

[cunning urchin]

Speedrunners will let themselves get killed in Tartarus a lot if the run isn't on a good pace.

But they're pushing for much faster times than sub 12.

[lucid oar]

For sub 12 I’d only reset in styx tbh

Or if you are already above 12 mins

[cunning urchin]

The #1 thing for you right now is to just practice a lot.

[lucid oar]

Practice is key yeah

[cunning urchin]

m far from a top Eris player, I hardly play the aspect, but I can get sub 12 consistently even with a 5-sack.

[pliant dirge]

EM2, TD1 (Did 2 myself) and Forced Overtime 1, right? Think I read that in a guide somewhere up there

[cunning urchin]

So RNG can help you, but it doesn't hurt you so much yet, basically.

[shell sleet]

TD0

is optimal

[cunning urchin]

EM2 FO2 TD0, yeah.

[pliant dirge]

Survival rooms?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

You only turn on TD in RTA speedruns.

Or in high heat speedruns, of course.

Getting your PB down isn't easy because that's typically the run where you had the best luck. But if you focus on average IGT, you can see where you're improving.

I think setting a target pace for Tartarus and Asphodel and resetting when you don't meet it can also be helpful.

[pliant dirge]

Yea, my 12min was (for my normal doing) pretty damn lucky, I can send a pic if you want?

[cunning urchin]

Well, the build doesn't matter as much as you'd think.

It's more down to the rooms and enemies you get.

[shell sleet]

idk personally i feel like build matters a lot

like there is a big difference between mid tartarus jolted and late aspho jolted

(for eris that is)

[pliant dirge]

okay so uh, I might have made a mistake, but if there's both Legendary and Jolted, which one would you pick?

[cunning urchin]

You can find Static Discharge somewhere in Elysium and get a way better time just by skipping most of those biomes with free rooms.

Take Splitting Bolt.

[shell sleet]

not saying that free rooms dont matter

but build is important too

[pliant dirge]

Alrighty

[cunning urchin]

Yes, but nowhere near as important as rooms, enemies, and player skill. We saw that every time in the Hermes Cup.

[pliant dirge]

Sorry for asking so many questions, but Gods Legacy or uhh the other one (forgot the name, sorry)

[cunning urchin]

So on my earlier point... for sub 12 I'd say if you don't get sub 5:30 Asphodel exit, you can just stand in magma and reset because you'd have to be lucky in Elysium and Styx with rooms and enemies to get sub 12 on that pace.

Pride for Eris.

But at that level, you can also just play out every run so long as you can see your mistakes and how to speed things up.

[pliant dirge]

5:45 Aspho

[valid dagger]

At what time are you usually exiting Tartarus?

[pliant dirge]

Previous run was 5:20, but damn kinda lucky so far

[pliant dirge]

~3 to 3:30 at worst

[valid dagger]

Yea Aspho can be a bit tricky with the bigger rooms and the Lernie phases, usually its okay to lose 1 DD to Lernie for the price of playing aggressively, also if you're confident at clearing consistently you can try High Confidence on the mirror

[pliant dirge]

I barely get killed by Learnie, Heroes is my main problem

Asterius hits like a semitruck

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, definitely take High Confidence. You'll be fine.

[pliant dirge]

7:27 going into Heroes

7:43 out of 'm

Dad keepsake in styx?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[pliant dirge]

Alright thanks :D

[cunning urchin]

Probably should have picked that in Elysium already.

[pliant dirge]

yea I forgot to change :x still had Poseidon

8:37 going into Dad, feeling pretty good about this

[cunning urchin]

Don't get greedy or nervous, just focus on clean execution.

Summon Meg right at the start of the fight.

[pliant dirge]

yep

[unreal tree]

[pliant dirge]

9:27

Whooooo hell yea

[unreal tree]

lfg

[pliant dirge]

managed to get Clockets w/ Artemis and damn it's insane

[valid dagger]

clockets is totally balanced

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[pliant dirge]

Yea...

it's VERY nice

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing @pliant dirge It's time

[pliant dirge]

Hooboi

From what I remember

Poseidon cast, Arty attack, get duoboon, profit

[valid dagger]

Yea that's the go-to meta build

[pliant dirge]

Wasnt there somethin with Aphro cast and then Heartrend?

[valid dagger]

Well Aphro cast builds usually dont go for Heartrend specifically, it's just a decent pickup if you have Artemis attack but its not too important, the thing with Mirage shot on Beowulf is that it's bugged and does 100% instead of 30% so you usually just want that above anything else

And having the biggest aoe cast (Poseidon) as a requirement for it, is a great start

Passion Flare (aphro) is very solid for high heat, because it doesnt need Mirage as much as Flood Flare

The guide covers those things to its best to give it a read first, and maybe give the aspect a run if you're not too familiar with it

[cunning urchin]

Passion Flare typically builds into Snow Burst, Mirage Shot, or both.

Smoldering Air is also a great pickup.

It's not used much in speedruns anymore, mainly at very high heat.

Sub 15 with all weapons is probably a decent next goal. Shouldn't be too hard for you now.

Or might as well go for sub 12 all weapons.

[pliant dirge]

Sub 15 first, we'll see where that takes us

If I get a sub 12, that'd be nice but not required

[shell sleet]

hmm i still have to do fists to sub 12 all weapons

is it time to reset multiple times to ME demeter a sub 12

[cunning urchin]

Don't need to reset for sub 12.

[lucid oar]

Just do zap

That’s what I did for my first fists sub 12

And it ended up nearly being sub 7

(Unplanned)

[cunning urchin]

Even just Curse of Agony with no Merciful End is good enough for sub 12.

[pliant dirge]

Is the step from TD 2 to TD 3 very noticable? Got consistant <5 min clears per region, apart from shield

[valid dagger]

Well it takes some practice to get used to but it's really not that bad

It'll only become a big problem when pushing high heat

[pliant dirge]

Got a single 32 heat with Fists, Zag aspect ME, and thats it. Not really interested in high heat as of right now

[valid dagger]

Yea it should be fine, since you're trying to improve your times you'll build up a lot of speedrunning basics eventually so even when you're doing casual runs for fun you'll find yourself getting 13-14 minutes and barely ever having time issues

Even upwards of 40-45 heat can be totally fine on time depending on the aspect

[pliant dirge]

Hm, thanks :) sorry for asking so many things, just want to make sure I don't do things wrong

[valid dagger]

No worries

[cold kettle]

does aspect of guan yu affect cthonic vitality?

[shell sleet]

no

it affects max health not healing

[cold kettle]

ok

[oblique sierra]

What are good weapons for merciful end build

Fists?

[turbid needle]

yes

How do I use and what skills do I play on nemesis sword?

you want to go special, dash strike, dash strike repeat

heartrend goes well with it

[unreal tree]

merciful end also great

[valid dagger]

||Drunken strike ||

[unreal tree]

can also just start splash dash then take any good % attack that isnt posideon's

[unreal tree]

[pliant dirge]

okay I have come to the conclusion I am terrible at using the shield

Can't seem to get the timing

[valid dagger]

Yea beo is tough to get into

You'll get there with some practice

Might be a good idea to watch some other people's plays

[thorny coral]

how can you be not good with the shield

just hold down the attack button to keep the block up

[thorny coral]

but yeah, getting into timing's important, you know, to find a moment when it's time to release the charge

[pliant dirge]

Yea

gonna try to do other weapons first

Fists are my most used, wanna try and actually get good with 'm instead of going haha Zag fist w/ ME go brrr

[thorny coral]

more so with the Naegling's Board

[thorny coral]

good decision

fists suck anyway

you'll see that when you learn what a beast Naegling's board is

[pliant dirge]

Eh, they're the only weapon I managed to get 32 heat with

[thorny coral]

doesn't mean i'm wrong

[pliant dirge]

Nope

I know they're not the best, but I like 'm

[valid dagger]

Fists are fine

[thorny coral]

you can always unlike

[pliant dirge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny coral]

there is that option

but i guess fists are easy to use

[pliant dirge]

Shield is the only weapon I just suck with tbh, the rest is fun

Chaos Shield is also nice, but that's it for me

[thorny coral]

again, you just hold down the attack button, dashing sometimes

without a care in the world

[valid dagger]

That's probably why you think they suck

[thorny coral]

but with fists you usually die that way faster, because their range is godawful

with shields you last longer by holding down the attack button

[pliant dirge]

Long Knuckle my guy

[thorny coral]

you can't procure long knuckle every run

unless you playing modded

which you should, btw

[pliant dirge]

nah, default is fun

[thorny coral]

saves a lot of time and stress

[pliant dirge]

can't be bothered

[thorny coral]

you'll see what i'm talking about in due time

[turbid needle]

How does achilles spear work

[valid dagger]

When you use your Special followed by a raging rush you get a dmg bonus that applies to your next 4 attacks/casts

[turbid needle]

What's the best way to use those four attacks

[thorny coral]

spins

spins have the highest base damage, thus +150% is a lot

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/ This is how Achilles spear is usually built

[proper furnace]

Spin achilles fun

[valid dagger]

You can make anything work tho

[thorny coral]

but, without kidding, don't care about bonus dmg to your attacks

casts benefit most from post-rush bonus dmg

[cunning urchin]

Dash-Strikes with Tidal Dash.

[torpid vigil]

Ayo, what should i be doing with the gun? Currently not a big fan of it

[cunning urchin]

Mix in some Casts before Dash-Strikes.

[torpid vigil]

Like boon wise

[thorny coral]

dash-strikes, really? they do around 20 base damage

[cunning urchin]

Yes, really.

[valid dagger]

You should try playing the aspect maybe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[thorny coral]

and tidal dash is not affected by the buff

so again

you don't care

you can do the same stuff with zag spear and it would be the same effect

[cunning urchin]

[thorny coral]

+150% to 20, wow

that's generous

and it only last 4 hits

[valid dagger]

I think if you don't have enough knowledge about aspects and interactions you shouldnt go out of your way to give advice such as you dont care etc

[thorny coral]

I have enough both knowledge and experience

[cunning urchin]

No offense, but you don't seem to have a lot of experience with Achilles.

[thorny coral]

but generally those are my opinions

[valid dagger]

You dont sound like it

[thorny coral]

you're free to disregard them

[torpid vigil]

No gun advice 😭

[thorny coral]

i've done sub 15's, but that's about it

[spiral badge]

Gun advice: Shoot the Enemy Until it Dies

[proper furnace]

Lightning strike, good % special boon, tidal dash, static discharge, profit

[valid dagger]

That doesn't make you anywhere near experienced with a certain aspect

[thorny coral]

just hold down the attack button

[cunning urchin]

Exactly.

[thorny coral]

and when you're out of ammo, press Q

[thorny coral]

also doesn't make my opinion invalid

maybe someday i'll reach more heights

mount more mountains and all that

[cunning urchin]

You'll ideally want Flurry Jab on Achilles, but it's also great with Serrated Point. Just don't combine the two, they don't interact nicely.

Tidal Dash and Deadly Strike will do a lot of damage, especially if you can get Hunter's Mark. Alternatively you get Lightning Strike with Static Discharge... Heartbreak Strike is a better alternative than Lightning Strike if you have Serrated Point, though.

Your fastest DPS rotation if you don't have those two hammers is likely gonna be Special (double tap) > Cast > Dash-Strike x2 > Cast > repeat. Assuming enemies are all in reach, of course.

You'll want to keep up your Rush bonus, although it's fine sometimes to forgo it for a bit to finish off some enemies quickly.

[cunning urchin]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[torpid vigil]

🙂

[pliant dirge]

How good is Chaos shield for sub 10? Like... I can't use Beowulf

[unreal tree]

chaos shield probably one of the worse aspects for speed

you can always try zag shield

with pulv blow/cshot

artemis attack and passion dash-heart rend

zeus call into smoldering is great

[pliant dirge]

cshot?

Charged Shot

my bad

[thorny coral]

smoldering air is overrated

[unreal tree]

sure thing

[thorny coral]

as well as zeus call

[pliant dirge]

Smouldering Air is kinda pog though

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[lucid oar]

no

[valid dagger]

He's just trolling

[lucid oar]

Heart rend and sea storm are overrated

[thorny coral]

if weapon needs 10 other sources of damage other than it's attack and what goes into it's kit by default, then it is a weak weapon

[lucid oar]

Yeah that’s why we use smoldering air

[thorny coral]

like, get 100 boons and then you'll get to go

[lucid oar]

Just look at the Arthur anyheat speedrun wr

[unreal tree]

^

[thorny coral]

just take page from Beowulf's book

it needs only one boon to function

[lucid oar]

I mean, they did ask how to make chaos shield go fast

Not Beowulf

[thorny coral]

just use Beowulf instead of Chaos

that's a general advice i would give

[valid dagger]

Damn you're great at giving advice arent you

[thorny coral]

each of those is a shield, right?

beowulf is better at being a shield

[lucid oar]

It’s harder to control

[cunning urchin]

Be kind.

[valid dagger]

Yes my bad

its a compliment tho

[unreal tree]

saying zeus call and smoldering air are overrated is pretty

[thorny coral]

you can always learn

it's good to learn to do harder things, don't you think

[spiral badge]

the disrespect on zeus shield here is intolerable

[unreal tree]

that combo will legitimately carry runs

[cunning urchin]

That is true. It's very .

[lucid oar]

Zeus shield is not a speed weapon

It is extremely good for heat

But not really speed

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Aspect is speedy.

[thorny coral]

i wasn't giving any disrespect to zeus shield though

no one was

[spiral badge]

it might not be top tier but it's got very respectable pace in the shield pantheon

[lucid oar]

There was just no mention of it

[thorny coral]

second place, no doubt

it functions without boons at all

[cunning urchin]

@pliant dirge considering your shield PB is 19:28, maybe just focus on improving your time for now rather than going directly for sub 10. One step at a time.

[lucid oar]

Zeus shield either needs to run ME to scale, or just get epic rd

I don’t like those weapons

[unreal tree]

just get jolted

[thorny coral]

oh, he's more than kind

[pliant dirge]

Mhm! Trying the Zag Shield strat, working so far

[thorny coral]

generally all Hades community, i'd say

[unreal tree]

zag shield

[lucid oar]

Zag shield is nice

[unreal tree]

[cunning urchin]

Zag Shield is fun.

[unreal tree]

one of the most slept on aspects for high heat imo

[lucid oar]

I just wish the +15 base damage applied to bullrush

[pliant dirge]

4:53 entering Lernie's fight

[thorny coral]

Zag shield is in your nickname, how close the two of you?

[unreal tree]

about this close

[thorny coral]

fast

[lucid oar]

Zag shield at high heat is just chaos shield with 200% fiery presence

[cunning urchin]

I think that's mainly just because Beowulf and Zeus exist. So players who want to do shield high heat will just go for... well, probably for Beowulf tbh.

Wait, that's not what I meant to reply to.

Ange1Man 24/24 50, 56 Zag Shield — Today at 9:40 PM
one of the most slept on aspects for high heat imo

That one.

[lucid oar]

I guessed so

[thorny coral]

i agree

it would be second best shield then

[cunning urchin]

Should a Zag Aspect be the second best shield?

[lucid oar]

I don’t think it would quite bridge the gap

[cunning urchin]

I don't think so.

[lucid oar]

It’s already quite far behind Zeus

[pliant dirge]

5:50 Leaving Lernie, it's fun but not used to it at all

[thorny coral]

okay maybe still third, but way ahead of chaos

[lucid oar]

What’s your hammer?

[pliant dirge]

I think I have like... 9 clears with the Shield in total

[pliant dirge]

2x Attack but no knockback one

[lucid oar]

Nice one

Pulv blow zag shield was once my pb

[thorny coral]

does it apply on dash-strikes?

[lucid oar]

No

[pliant dirge]

Hm, 2nd hammer and it's not great

Ferocious, Minotaur or Breaching

[thorny coral]

what's good about it then

[lucid oar]

Multiplicative

[cunning urchin]

Double base damage.

Is what's good about it.

[thorny coral]

minotaur

or ferocious

hard choice

[valid dagger]

Minotaur is quite bad

[lucid oar]

Ferocious probably but you won’t be bull rushing often so it’s not crucial

[thorny coral]

to your basic attack

[pliant dirge]

Aphro Zeus Duo, Epic Zeus Call

this is going well

[lucid oar]

The base attack is good, basically 80 base damage

[thorny coral]

which are not part of your game plan

you dash-strike

[lucid oar]

It is

[cunning urchin]

[lucid oar]

You do dash strike -> standing attack

[unreal tree]

Ferocious real good

[lucid oar]

The dash strike in this combo is like the special in sword combo

[thorny coral]

oh, okay

[lucid oar]

Fills in the animation cool-down

[errant acorn]

What calls work best with the Aphrodite/Zeus duo?

[thorny coral]

how many boons do you need to get zag shield to the point where it can be powerful and fast?

[errant acorn]

Other than Zeus, I guess.

[pliant dirge]

Zeus and probabaly Athena (?)

[valid dagger]

Dio

[cunning urchin]

Anything but Artemis' Aid and Ares' Aid.

[thorny coral]

artemis and ares aid

demeter also

[pliant dirge]

9:15, entering heroes. Not a good enough pace, but a good improvement :D

[lucid oar]

Arti attack + chaos attack damage/rush delivery should be good

[valid dagger]

Elysium is rough

[lucid oar]

Passion dash + heart rend also decent to have

[last dirge]

Doesnt Beowulf always basic attack before a bull rush?

Or is that just me

[lucid oar]

Dash attack

Basic attack is super slow and clunky

[valid dagger]

Dash attack makes it faster

[thorny coral]

newbies do that

[thorny coral]

too many boons

[last dirge]

I do dash strike. It just happens

[pliant dirge]

Bro isn't the idea of the to like... idk... use the boons?

Sure Rush Delivery isn't easy to get

[last dirge]

The issue is getting them all

[thorny coral]

exactly

[lucid oar]

You have rerolls

[thorny coral]

the sooner your build goes online the better

[last dirge]

Rerolls are limited

[pliant dirge]

just get lucky lmao /s

[last dirge]

They help but dont guarantee anything

[thorny coral]

not always do you get more of specific god

[lucid oar]

Game knowledge helps a ton

[last dirge]

Yeah

Ive had incredibly unlucky runs like that

[lucid oar]

I don’t remember the last time I did a speedrun and didn’t get a good build

[thorny coral]

builds that require too many boons are more inconsistent

[last dirge]

Game knowledge wont force a god to appear unless you do save slots and routing

[lucid oar]

Actually yes I do

Gilgamesh

[thorny coral]

gilgamesh is good

it's just hard to use

[lucid oar]

Top ten lies on the internet

It’s hard to use

[thorny coral]

ahahah

[lucid oar]

With no payoff

[last dirge]

Yeah and ive had runs where I brought Poseidon's keepsake to get a build around water kicks running

And got 1 poseidon boon. The first one.

[thorny coral]

gilgamesh is a high heat aspect

[lucid oar]

[pliant dirge]

I had a poseidon dash only run, it was a lot of fun

[last dirge]

This was actually gilgamesh

[lucid oar]

My Achilles pb has 8 Zeus boons and yet no splitting bolt

[last dirge]

But it's somewhat safer with knockback tbh

Safe gilgamesh is easy. Divine strike.

[thorny coral]

tidal dash is designed for gilgamesh

[lucid oar]

I prefer dashing frequently

[last dirge]

Divine strike and tidal dash is how I did 32 heat

Since it was also em4 the duo was kinda useful

Since you cant ignore the pots sometimes

Sure footing helps

[pliant dirge]

new Shield PB, 12:40

slowly but surely

[lucid oar]

If progress was linear you’ll be breaking records

[pliant dirge]

honestly I'm just looking for sub 10 on all weapons and then I am happy

my fists sub 10 was 1.04 second away from being 10

aka not even close

[bitter depot]

does anyone know a chaos shield build?

i cant seem to get it t9 work decently

[dense tusk]

Athena-Ares duo boon is probably my favourite

[bitter depot]

for chaos shield?

[dense tusk]

Put ares on special and athena on attack, get the hammer that gives you more shield bounces, mark everything in the room with doom and then one shot everything by spamming attack

[bitter depot]

you only damage then when you deflect?

[dense tusk]

Special is fairly spammable, start fights with it then attack then repeat

[bitter depot]

and do you know any other build for it?

[dense tusk]

I'm sure there are other great builds but when I'm not running athena-ares I pretty much use whatever, tidal dash works well with shield

[cunning urchin]

Plenty of options. Pick a god, and I'll tell you a build.

[bitter depot]

what about dionysus

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Drunken Flourish, plenty of poms on your Special.

And try to get Low Tolerance.

Also works with Passion Dash instead of Attack.

You'd want Privileged Status for that.

Add any boon that applies Doom or any crit core boon for a chance at more Duo Boons that work great in the build.

Trippy Shot is a great pick-up in any Hangover build for a chance at his legendary.

[bitter depot]

only got his legendary once but also never looked for it

[cunning urchin]

I'd pick Gods' Legacy for that build to help with Duo Boons and his legendary.

[bitter depot]

100%

thanks!

[cunning urchin]

Numbing Sensation and Bad Influence are also great boons.

[bitter depot]

i got curious about dyonisus on shield bcs i swapped a artemis special boon once for his, and it was like 16 damage per tick on the poison at the end of the run, so i was curious about it

[bitter depot]

ok!

tks so much

[cunning urchin]

Sure thing.

There's lots more I could say, but you'll make your own experiences with the build. I think that'll help you get started.

[cunning urchin]

Look at his Duo Boons and you'll see plenty of opportunities.

[bitter depot]

yes it definetly helps

is Rama aspect with drunken flourish a thing? it stacks so faast

[worn solar]

yeah rama is usually just aphro/arty attack and zeus/dio/ares special

[bitter depot]

yeah i had a run with artemis atk and dio special

it was pretty great

1000 damage a hit

i was impressed

[oblique sierra]

Who on cast

[worn solar]

doesnt really matter, just a lodging one

tbh you might just not want one

[oblique sierra]

Oh I thought rama was a cast build

[last dirge]

That's Hera. Rama is shared damage.

[oblique sierra]

Ooooh

[shell sleet]

? you really think +15 damage bullrush would put it above a great aspect like zeus

[cunning urchin]

It's easy to underestimate buffs. We'd have to see.

[last dirge]

It'd do 55 damage at max

Versus Beo which is 50 for all charges apparently idk it's a wiki

I thought it was just charged shot that did that but I may have misinterpreted the info, and I play on a tiny screen so I dont closely watch numbers

So I dont think that would make it the 2nd best

And this is ignoring Dragon Rush which should make that 100 base lol

I think all 3 base shields are tied tbh

They do different things

At least none are clearly the worst aspect

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf's aspect bonus to Dragon Rush is not base damage.

The wiki is accurate on damage numbers.

Charged Shot does 80 base damage.

[last dirge]

Okay

I think the existence of Charged Shot just negates the need for the +15 on attack

It probably wouldnt add +15 to charged shot if it worked on rush

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot with +15 base damage would be very nice.

[last dirge]

Yeah but I doubt that would work unless they did it a specific way

Attack damage+15 vs the attack values are just +15

Charged shot normalizes rush damage

Beo just gets an advantage as usual

But for the other 3 I dont think it would matter if zag worked differently

And it would add dps to zag anyway

I get why they wouldnt want 95 base damage on shield lol

[cunning urchin]

It would be easy enough to implement. They're obviously not gonna change anything at this point, though.

Anyway, you can never easily tell how changing a few numbers affects the balance without giving it a try.

[pliant dirge]

Hmm, I’ve been thinking about Gilgamesh for a bit. Explosive Upper, Ares Spec and Maim. How would this work?

[turbid needle]

its certainly not bad

ares atk and mericiful end is more effective though

[pliant dirge]

Doesn’t Gilgamesh attack slow though? Doom would probably stack less

Special is even slower though so I can’t really complain

Gilgamesh is a weird one

[shell sleet]

attack is slow but dash attack is not too bad

it would still be worse than demeter but it works

for demeter do people run fiery or shadow

also FO1 or 2 for speed on demeter

[pliant dirge]

I personally like Shadowy

With Beo, do you want Legacy or Pride? Mirage shot w/ Poseidon Cast

[valid dagger]

Legacy

[pliant dirge]

Aight

[valid dagger]

Also just noticed your Nemesis clear, Fiery is good for smoother Tartarus there

[pliant dirge]

Yea, was an older run. Doubt I’m getting that lucky ever again

[pliant dirge]

Oh and yea just wanted to make sure, since the difference between a normal and epic cast is a lot

[valid dagger]

If you’re comfortable with FO2 then it should be the better of the two, FO1 is fine, it wont be reason you get a bad time, you can get great times with FO1

Like 7 minutes ish if you’re good enough with blessed rng

[valid dagger]

It is, but Flood Flare without Mirage is very underwhelming so you want that asap, and also you want to keep your build as lean as possible so you cast can take all the poms, like upwards of lv7-8 is pretty good

Also check wells for Extra Casts or Extra Cast dmg

[pliant dirge]

Yep

Braid is like… kinda insane if you get it on an actual cast build

[valid dagger]

It’s a lot yea

I usually run Hourglass for Elysium

[pliant dirge]

Had a funny run w/ Poseidon sword, Aphro cast, exit wounds and Arty legendary

[valid dagger]

To keep it for more encounters

Then swap to Dad Call in Styx (after checking the well)

[pliant dirge]

Poseidon > Arty if no mirage > Hourglass > Sigil

[valid dagger]

Also if you’re not resetting for Charged shot it might be worth running FO1 instead of FO2

[valid dagger]

Yea that’s how it goes usually

[pliant dirge]

Alrighty

[pliant dirge]

Charged and/or Sudden would probably be the best, right?

Barely use the shield, I’m not very comfortable with it

[valid dagger]

Charged is the top hammer by a long shot

For speedrunning

Then for your second hammer you can look for Sudden/Breaching/Ferocious

Not in that specific order

Ferocious is usually my pick if I have the choice for second hammer

If you have something like hyper delivery it’s really good

Gives you mvt speed and more global dmg

[pliant dirge]

Just gonna learn how to time the casts well, how to not overkill stuff like that

[valid dagger]

Yea that’s important aswell

Picking up casts constantly can waste time

[pliant dirge]

3 casts for those yellow skulls letsgoo

[valid dagger]

Lol

You can load your casts midrush btw

You don’t have to Load then Cast

[pliant dirge]

Hm, if you have Mirage shot in Tartarus, is it smart to pick plume for Greater Recall?

[valid dagger]

You can just use your bullrush/charged shot and cast before it hits

[pliant dirge]

Yea I noticed, nice thing

[valid dagger]

Well

I think I wouldn’t personally

But it’s fine I guess

Extra dashes or hyper sprint for rush delivery is too good imo

If you get more dmg you will kill things quicker and therefore wont need to pick up your casts as often

And will make bosses faster aswell

Dashes will help you go through rooms really fast

Pretty worth it

[pliant dirge]

Yea that’s fair

Well, we’ll see how it goes :D only got mirage on Beowulf once before

From what I remember, it was pretty insane

[valid dagger]

Yea it’s crazy on Flares because of the bug

Double dmg is good apparently

[pliant dirge]

O h

So, mirage shot is nr 1 thing I want to target, anything else?

Was thinking maybe Exclusive Access

[valid dagger]

Mirage shot is your main focus yea

Exclusive access is good but I’d leave that to rng

Wouldnt go too far to get it, if you put Dio in your pool you might end up getting EA instead of Mirage which is not what you want

[pliant dirge]

Welp, I won’t pick Dio if not needed

Just getting Arty in Tartarus is kinda pain

[valid dagger]

Yea it is

You don’t have to keep retrying for it just take her to Aspho and pray

[pliant dirge]

Only thing I want from Chaos is +% Cast DMG and more Bloodstones right?

[pliant dirge]

Yep, that’s the plan

[valid dagger]

Yes but also if you don’t have Mirage you don’t wanna spend too many rolls trying to get those

[pliant dirge]

We always have the Asphodel encounter (idk how the hell you write her name) for the Ambrosia thing for the next 3 boons

[valid dagger]

Atk dmg is fine, dash strike dmg, gold value etc

As long as the curse isn’t extra enemies

[pliant dirge]

Or not being able to pick up your stones

Slippery (?)

[valid dagger]

Ye that’s also a bad one

Mvt speed and dash reduction are also not too great but you gotta deal with it

Trap dmg or extra dmg taken is probably the best stuff

[pliant dirge]

Dash Reduction is pain

[valid dagger]

Hidden rooms also bad

[pliant dirge]

Had serrated point + 2 of those ones

[valid dagger]

Lol non-existent dash at that point

[pliant dirge]

Died (all 3 DDs and final life) in one room

[pliant dirge]

Its annoying, but managable imo

[valid dagger]

Yea it’s pretty good, and Yarns in wells can help

[pliant dirge]

Yep… that was a dashstrike Achilles build that was the worst part

[valid dagger]

Yea you just don’t wanna end up skipping a shop or something free

[pliant dirge]

Yep that’s true

Or miss boons

I’m getting consistent at Asphodel though

So that’s nice

[valid dagger]

Yep, practice helps a lot

[pliant dirge]

Sub 10 all weapons soon™️

Spear is gonna be… something

Anyways thanks for all your help! :D

[valid dagger]

Spear is fun

Just relies on a hammer tho, you basically must have it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/ Here’s a guide for it by the record holder for modded any heat

[shell sleet]

best is damage when special

unless meme charged throw or whatever its called

[valid dagger]

Yea that aswell

Unironically my 45 Heat 11:50 run had a Cast curse on Beo

[pliant dirge]

Hold on, how about Beo + Poseidon Cast + Mirage shot (priority) + seastorm

[unreal tree]

Seastorm doesnt proc off of the flare unfortunately

[pliant dirge]

Awww :(

[unreal tree]

Only off of the attack like every other shield

[shell sleet]

wait why not?

does flood flare actually have 0 knockback

[unreal tree]

It just doesn't

The knockback exists

But seastorm doesnt proc off of it

Idk why

[pliant dirge]

Eh, Mirage shot will probably be fast enough

[unreal tree]

^

[pliant dirge]

RNG is probably gonna screw me over

[turbid needle]

what are the go-to boons for a Hades aspect spin build ?

[cunning urchin]

Spin-only isn't as effective because the bonus damage from Punishing Sweep doesn't apply to it. It gets bonus range, of course.

So there's no real meta for spin-only.

[turbid needle]

for hades in general I just slapped artemis on everything

so its better to use achilles aspect ?

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike and Deadly Strike would be decent for spins.

[turbid needle]

achilles does more dmg overall

GY is prob the best for spin only, if you get quick spin it goes hard

[cunning urchin]

You could also try Tempest Strike for fun knockback on the spin and double down on his t2 boons and aim for Sea Storm.

[turbid needle]

what is gy? i dont know these things, i started playing Hades a week ago

the hidden aspect of the spear

oh

[proven osprey]

The best aspect

[bright forge]

Massive spin + quick spin
Tempest strike with any boons that relate to knockback and maybe sea storm
Slap all that on Achilles and you’re basically a bayblade

[valid dagger]

I would like it on Guan Yu more honestly

[cunning urchin]

Achilles spin can be fun, though.

[proven osprey]

Don't tempest strike

Unless you don't want to have any room damage

[valid dagger]

That's exactly what I want

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[cunning urchin]

Tempest Strike Guan Yu is fun.

Just get aaall the t2 boons and Sea Storm. Easy.

And legendary.

[bright forge]

Tempest strike is so fun to use on spin builds

Actual bayblade build

[pliant dirge]

Boy do I love getting screwed over in Styx by a 5 sack while on sub 12 pace

[valid dagger]

cant relate

[pliant dirge]

also only got 1 poseidon boon the whole run :(

[pliant dirge]

I don't play modded <3

[cunning urchin]

Just get sub 12 with a 5-sack next time.

[pliant dirge]

Oh yea lemme just turn on Ultimate Gamer Mode™️

[cunning urchin]

Nah, the Ultimate Hades Gamers would be like that's cute, when's sub 8 5-sack?

[cunning urchin]

Doesn't really matter since you got Mirage Shot tbh.

And you have 6 bloodstones, so.. can't really complain.

[pliant dirge]

Well... y'know Wave Pounding or something like that wouldve been fun

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash doesn't really do anything meaningful for you. You'd want Hunter's Mark.

[pliant dirge]

also Aphro call dealt ~5600 dmg

[cunning urchin]

And maybe Pressure Points.

[pliant dirge]

I was out of rolls and got it very late

Welp, next run. Lernie and no mirage yet

[oblique sierra]

I love how he just randomly goes from Hydra to Lernie

[rugged saddle]

Any suggestions for a good malphon run on 5 heat hell mode? I'm using aspect of Talos but not really sure what's good

[valid dagger]

You can go for the usual Merciful End, it's quite defensive aswell due to Athena's dash and dd refills if you happen to lose them, you can also go for ZAP

[rugged saddle]

I'm sure those are standard builds but I'm an idiot so are there guides listed on the discord anywhere for what they are exactly?

[worn solar]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide well if you want a build guide

[valid dagger]

I think this should have the builds I mentioned

So yea give it a read

Also has other builds that might sound interesting to try

[rugged saddle]

Thank you very much. It's not so much that I need the guide as I wanted to know what Mike was referring to. Cheers :)

[rugged saddle]

Will do. Thanks :)

[valid dagger]

In short tho, Merciful End is the Athena-Ares duo, you start with Ares' keepsake to get his attack on fists, pomming it early is also a plus, and then you take Athena's special whenever you see her /force her into asphodel, that activates the duo so you'll be able to get it, to make it really shine tho on such a weapon you'd want Athena's dash for consistent deflecting so your dooms are procing much more efficiently, Impending doom good t2 boon from Ares, DDs are good from Athena
ZAP is basically Zeus on the attack, Aphro/Artemis on the special and Poseidon on the dash, a lot more Zeus and Poseidon boons are always good, Static Discharge into Storm Lightning > Splitting bolt, if you have a call + Aphro you can go for Smoldering Air, if you have Artemis you can get Lightning Rod or Hunters' mark, Breaking Wave and Wave pounding good poseidon boons, avoid the poseidon legendary because its a dps decrease, other than that just roll with it and take whatever sounds good

[rugged saddle]

Roger that. I rolled Dio on attack epic nice and early so it looks like I'm wanting Dio on my cast as well and either heavy knuckle or breaching cross

Yeah that hits like a truck. Nice. Well, maybe I'll actually be able to use malphon now I've been putting it off cuz I couldn't figure out a good combo

[valid dagger]

Dio is quite good aswell, very popular pick at high heat, didnt mention him because usually its lean builds with just poms and something since AP2 doesnt allow you to do a whole lot, if Aphro is in your god pool you can have her on your dash or special for low tolerance, if you picked up the cast then a Demeter core can allow for Ice wine which is a dmg increase and also makes your cast a whole lot more reliable, also worth mentioning Zeus Dio duo, its pretty good aswell, Athena's dash is good defense and also opens up Calculated Risk for more safety, versatile build you can go for almost anything and be totally fine

[rugged saddle]

Got Athena's dash and calculated risk so this is looking like a promising run for sure

[valid dagger]

Nice

[rugged saddle]

Thanks for the tips I appreciate it

[valid dagger]

gl!

[rugged saddle]

Unrelatedly Thanatos competitions in Elysium are bs

He kills through armor and doesn't have to kill the eye resurrection things

[pliant dirge]

Honestly can't remember the last time I lost to Than

[rugged saddle]

I'm a scrub so that doesn't help

But still

[pliant dirge]

Also I did manage to fit 2 Beowulf runs in my schedule.
Run 1: 14:26.04 5 sack, but end tartarus Mirage
Run 2: 13:27.62 Mid-Elysium mirage, wasn't great

[thorny coral]

try hunter's flare

[pliant dirge]

You'll learn how to deal with enemies more efficiently through experience

[thorny coral]

maybe you'll get quicker

[polar python]

I mean he is the good of death. Seems like he should have some abilities around killing stuff

[rugged saddle]

Lol I'm almost 200 runs in on hell mode still haven't gotten out

[pliant dirge]

Idk, Poseidons range is nice

[pliant dirge]

Hellmode doesn't make things easier now does it :x

[rugged saddle]

Armor and I just don't get along

Lol yeah that's the idea but I'm a masochist apparently XD

[pliant dirge]

I'm just terrible at Beo's timing, Asphodel takes FOREVER

[pliant dirge]

Honestly that's fair enough, what weapon are you using?

[rugged saddle]

Malphon. I just don't get along with it playstyle wise

[pliant dirge]

Uhh did I get ghostpinged or did my discord trip out

[rugged saddle]

Nah I forgot we're not allowed to sweat

Swear

[pliant dirge]

Try Breaching Cross if you get it, a nice and solid 900% dmg to armor on your dashstrikes. I personally like it with Long Knuckle

[thorny coral]

hunter's flare good

it crits

[pliant dirge]

Ah that's fine

[thorny coral]

with mirage shot you have 20% crit chance

per each bloodstone and you have three of them, do the math

[pliant dirge]

My Poseidon casts deal... ~1-2K per cast sometimes? Dont need the crits tbh

[rugged saddle]

I have breaching cross but still couldn't burn through them fast enough it was the large chariot boys with big health bars

[thorny coral]

yes you do

doesn't it feel nice though?

when you happen to crit

[pliant dirge]

Hooooboi those Chariots are indeed a pain, are you sure youre dashstriking?

[pliant dirge]

Apparently I do, I'll give it a try tomorrow. I'm just not great with Beowulf in general

Might try Hera next since Im getting used to loading casts now

Once I get sub 10 Beo

[valid dagger]

Mirage Shot Flood Flare is just the meta for beowulf anyheat

[rugged saddle]

Doing my absolute best to. Just difficult when Than casts that AoE that nukes four or five at a time unless I can lure them out

[pliant dirge]

Yeeeep, Splash Dash helps with that, just aim the right way

[thorny coral]

so? doesn't mean you can't play other builds

hunter's flare good too

the only bad flare i think is icy flare because of the delay

feels very clunky

[pliant dirge]

It just works nicely, biiiig AoE

[rugged saddle]

Yeah I have Dio/Athena this run unfortunately so while it's safe it's not much good for displacement

[valid dagger]

If you're just looking to go fast this is the easiest way to do it

[thorny coral]

you can be fast with hunter's flare too

[valid dagger]

Hunter's Flare is underwhelming

[pliant dirge]

Hm yea that's not great

[thorny coral]

no it's okay

[pliant dirge]

Calculated Risk can be nice though (not 100% sure if thats their duo or not)

[thorny coral]

beowulf works with everything actually

[lucid oar]

You can go fast with any flare

[thorny coral]

true

[lucid oar]

Doesn’t mean that all flares are good

[pliant dirge]

Demeter

[rugged saddle]

Yep, it is. I have that as well.

[thorny coral]

not all of them are equally good, that's true

no equality in this world

but

[lucid oar]

Hunters flare isn’t one of the good ones

[thorny coral]

other flares are still not bad

[lucid oar]

Icy flare is bad

[thorny coral]

icy flare is mediocre

but not bad

[lucid oar]

Why not

[thorny coral]

it's still usable

it inflicts chill

[lucid oar]

You get the same effect with shackle base case snow burst

[valid dagger]

wow

[lucid oar]

It doesn’t lead into mirage shot

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[thorny coral]

you want to get sub 15 icy flare run?

[proper furnace]

snow burst is just a better icy flare

[thorny coral]

just to prove the point

[valid dagger]

sub 15 isnt exactly fast

[lucid oar]

Sub 7 icy flare has been done

[thorny coral]

damn

ok

[worn solar]

you can sub 15 with like anything

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[thorny coral]

what is fast then

[valid dagger]

sub10 at the very least

[lucid oar]

Depends on the player

[thorny coral]

oh come one

you get "swiftness of hermes" at around 13

[lucid oar]

Charged shot should be able to carry you through most of the way

It’s just bosses that will be slow

Ha, geddit

[valid dagger]

[thorny coral]

if that's not the acknowledgement of you being fast, i don't know what is

[pliant dirge]

Honestly you should be fine, try and get the hits + dashstrike combo off so the pause isnt there

[lucid oar]

I got all aspects 32 heat the other day, and towards the end I was streaking 12-13 min runs, without even trying to go fast. It’s not unrealistic

Unmodded

[valid dagger]

Getting sub12 is more about habits and room clearing and decision making

[worn solar]

also base beo is just a fast aspect

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[worn solar]

then add cshot

cast doesnt matter

[lucid oar]

Bablo got sub 7 with base cast

(And ME)

[pliant dirge]

Never got CShot beo before

Looks insane though

[lucid oar]

It’s the best aspect in the game

Cshot Beowulf

[pliant dirge]

Honestly I don't like Beowulf to begin with

Well, not liking is the wrong way to put it, just I suck with it

[thorny coral]

ok whatever you say, but i'm still planning to do a plananx flare run and maybe another icy flare

[lucid oar]

Phalanx flare is actually alright

Just small

But good damage and opens up DDs

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but like I said earlier today in #h1-for-new-players, bablo was born getting WRs.

[lucid oar]

He was

[thorny coral]

i'm gonna go for deadly reversal

[pliant dirge]

There's multiple ways to play the game, as long as you're having a good time

[worn solar]

MEwulf stonks

[cunning urchin]

bablo: is born
world: "Wow, that's a WR."

[bitter depot]

hey guys, how does damage reduction scale in Hades? is it 30% DR + 30% DR = 60%? or would it be 30% + 30% = 40%

[thorny coral]

not really fair to compare people to him then

i'm a mortal for christ's sake

[lucid oar]

30 + 30 = 49

[worn solar]

multiplicative so

[pliant dirge]

Immortal untill proven otherwise*

[bitter depot]

oops thats what i meant

[lucid oar]

Yeah additive DR would be broken

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-missed-part-where-thats-my-problem-gif-18535010

[lucid oar]

With Arthur you could easily get 100%

[thorny coral]

really?

[bitter depot]

yeah lol

[pliant dirge]

Yes

[bitter depot]

"if it bleeds, it dies"

[thorny coral]

wow, i'm immortal then

[pliant dirge]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny coral]

i don't remember myself bleeding

[pliant dirge]

Just not really sure how to improve on my Beowulf

[valid dagger]

Watch some gameplay

[pliant dirge]

A lot of it is getting Mirage early and not getting bullied by minibosses/bad spawns

[cunning urchin]

It's mainly practice, grouping up enemies...

Not losing your bloodstones.

[pliant dirge]

I can deal with the bloodstones

Mostly

[cunning urchin]

Not loading more bloodstones than necessary for the kill.

Mostly means there's room for improvement.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/

Have you had a look at that guide for spawn manipulation?

[pliant dirge]

Also how do y'all do the witches circle miniboss thing? 4 armored witches, Meg never seems to hit them all

[cunning urchin]

Do you know Meg setups for minibosses?

[pliant dirge]

Most of them

Sometimes I barely miss Meg on Sneeg or the 4 witches

[cunning urchin]

Ah. Just dash over to the island right above you and a little bit towards the screen edge that's closer to Zag, face towards the Witch above you, wait for the 4th Witch to show on your screen and press summon.

It's not too hard.

[pliant dirge]

Do you have any clips by any chance? If not no big deal

[thorny coral]

use stygian

actually trippy flare is the best cast

it's so powerful you don't even need second bloodstone

auto reload is preferable though

[worn solar]

uh yeah no

[cunning urchin]

Yeah no is about right.

[pliant dirge]

Mmm

Trippy is nice, but its only a single hit and takes a while before you get it back

[cunning urchin]

Flood Flare Beowulf broken.

[worn solar]

its slow and flood flare is halfway to mirage shot

[thorny coral]

auto reload

epic preferably

[pliant dirge]

Doesnt change the fact its a single hit

[thorny coral]

get exclusive access and move on from there

exclusive access is amazingly good

[pliant dirge]

just get Exclusive lmao easier said than done

[thorny coral]

so? you oneshot everything that moves

[worn solar]

beowulf already does that

[pliant dirge]

Mmm doubt that but okay

[thorny coral]

it's not that hard

[pliant dirge]

^^^

[thorny coral]

you're already halfway there with trippy

[pliant dirge]

Beowulf is already insanely powerful

[worn solar]

3 casts is more damage than 1 even if trippy does more per cast

[pliant dirge]

Poseidons just makes it easier to get Mirage if anything

[worn solar]

6 casts if you have mirage shot

[thorny coral]

not always

[pliant dirge]

What

[thorny coral]

it's not hard to get mirage shot with trippy flare

[pliant dirge]

Normal poseidon cast x3 = ~300 dmg iirc
Trippy normal = ~200-250 maybe? Not sure on the numbers but yea

[thorny coral]

500

common

[unreal tree]

also trippy is broken lol

[thorny coral]

i'm not kidding

[unreal tree]

because the pom scaling is 120% instead of the normal 60%

[lucid oar]

Whatever damage trippy flare says it does, take off 50 and double it

[unreal tree]

first pom is not 60 like it shows you

[thorny coral]

with good amount of poms, your base damage is going to be under 500 most of the time

[unreal tree]

its 120

[pliant dirge]

A h that explains

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/881897797916459008/chart.png

[thorny coral]

not only your first pom

every consecutive pom is double the damage

[lucid oar]

It’s an example

[thorny coral]

it was worth to mention

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/881898296539480164/chart_1.png pre nerf trippy flare damage

[thorny coral]

+120 from the first pom, then +84 from the second

it's crazy

[worn solar]

500 damage every 2-3 seconds

just do flood flare and not need extra casts

[unreal tree]

the thing thats absurd to me is how hera also has trippy flare right

[cunning urchin]

Trippy Flare with only a single Cast is just not very good speed. That's the issue.

[thorny coral]

no, around 3000

[unreal tree]

but the bug doesnt apply to hera

[lucid oar]

Trippy flare probably has the best styx+dad weapon ever

[unreal tree]

Just beowulf things

[thorny coral]

take mirage shot into consideration

[worn solar]

trippy takes way to long to scale

[thorny coral]

rush delivery

bad news

[lucid oar]

Trippy flare Beowulf be like: 2:40 tart 7:20 finish time

[thorny coral]

ravenous will

[unreal tree]

also

trippy flare crits for 2x

instead of 3x

[worn solar]

beowulf moment

[unreal tree]

FOR NO REASON WHATSOVEVER

[lucid oar]

Not like it matters lmao

[unreal tree]

[lucid oar]

Still delete everything

[thorny coral]

because hera is not that cursed

[worn solar]

beowulf just deletes things anyways is the thing. trippy is way slower to start, takes more rng getting things and then youre still just oneshotting things like you do with floodflare

[thorny coral]

hera is a regular aspect

[unreal tree]

hera still has bugs

lol

[thorny coral]

it's regular

[lucid oar]

Yeah but can you get 6.2s heroes kills with flood? (Non routed)

Trippy boss fights are so fun

[thorny coral]

true

[worn solar]

its fun

[unreal tree]

for example crush shot with blown kiss on hera messes up your hitboxes, crush shot and phalanx shot can just dislodge if your enemy is hugging a wall

[worn solar]

but inconsistent

[thorny coral]

hera's bugs suck

[cunning urchin]

What you need to consider is that Infernal Soul casts can Dragon Rush more frequently and don't need to load all Casts at once to kill things. With only a single bloodstone with Trippy Flare, you don't get any of that luxury. Getting all of that single-hit damage on armor also doesn't kill anything.

[thorny coral]

missing the hitbox is so annoying

[cunning urchin]

It's not like people don't know about Trippy Flare or haven't tried. It can work, but it's nowhere near as consistent as Flood Flare or even Passion Flare tbh.

[thorny coral]

while beo's bugs are mostly empowerment to the player

[unreal tree]

eh

thunder flare not doing cast damage

[worn solar]

funny selling attack bug

[unreal tree]

[thorny coral]

no one does that

[cunning urchin]

crush shot and phalanx shot can just dislodge if your enemy is hugging a wall
This one helps a ton.

[unreal tree]

yes

[cunning urchin]

People do that at high heat all the time.

UC things.

[unreal tree]

Ive seen it happend not just on hera actually

happend on my achilles 52 run

[worn solar]

if no one did it we wouldnt know about it

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's universal on Crush Shot.

[unreal tree]

theseus was near a wall, casted at him and the casts just kept coming out

[thorny coral]

i feel that trippy flare is underrated just because people aren't willing to take risks

[unreal tree]

no

we just like to leave tartarus

[cunning urchin]

Not willing to take risks? Players who do 50+ Heat and aim for speedrun WRs?

[unreal tree]

trippy beowulf probably one of the most reset heavy things in the entire game

[worn solar]

sry we dont like to spend half our run in tart

[lucid oar]

Rama 61+ heat?

[thorny coral]

i don't agree, it has to be achilles for flurry jab

[unreal tree]

but thats one thing

[lucid oar]

That’s 33% chance of seeing hammer

[unreal tree]

25% actually to see flurry

3/12

[lucid oar]

Only on zag spear

[worn solar]

funny serrated strats

[lucid oar]

Achilles disables a few hammers

[unreal tree]

atleast achilles is very viable on modded

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[unreal tree]

where you get flurry everytime

but trippy beo isnt helped that much by guaranteed cshot

[lucid oar]

Trippy Beowulf needs an extra cast before furies, poms on cast and ideally a mirage prerequisite

[unreal tree]

since it resets for cast stones and mirage gods

[worn solar]

getting flurry also matters less than that extra cast

[cunning urchin]

Hera needs poms on Cast and one out of Flurry, Triple, or Twin... pretty much.

Perfect Shot not even too bad either.

Or Point-Blank.

[lucid oar]

Meanwhile hestia needs zilch

Maybe 1 Pom on dash

[cunning urchin]

Although tbh most Hera runs that don't get at least one Shot or Grasp from Master Chaos aren't too great.

Just speeds things up a lot.

Well, still an easy sub 8 without it, I guess.

[thorny coral]

easy for you

[cunning urchin]

I mean we're talking about things that hold back an aspect or build that's not player skill.

It's easy in the sense that not getting that isn't holding you back from getting consistent fast times.

Hera with Crush Shot scales very well in ways that aren't difficult to get.

[thorny coral]

maybe

but i like beowulf passion flare more

it stonks

[cunning urchin]

They're essentially the same build.

Anyway, that's what makes a consistent build. You might have the odd one out where you don't find poms without making sacrifices and then don't find a hammer early etc., but those are very rare.

[proper furnace]

speaking of Passion flare, if the selling attack bug happens can you fix it or you are stuck with it?

[thorny coral]

except that your cast doesn't miss occasionally

[cunning urchin]

Whereas if you're going for Trippy Flare, a run that actually comes together to have a shot a good time is the odd one out because there are so many pieces you need.

[thorny coral]

high risk high reward type of situation

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Passion Flare can miss when they're right next to it if you're too close to a wall. It's very rare, but it happens. About as much as I miss Crush Shot tbh.

So not very much.

[thorny coral]

happens all the time with me

[cunning urchin]

m pretty sure I read that Ambrosia Delight hitting your Cast can fix it, and there are a couple other ways.

Sounds like you just need more practice, not a bug. I dunno.

[thorny coral]

i'd rather have more practice with beo

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I get that. Just saying I dunno what you're doing if you whiff Crush Shot frequently on Hera, but m very sure you can count the Crush Shot whiffs in my Hera videos on one hand.

[thorny coral]

you have videos?

[lucid oar]

If you want to submit a speedrun/high heat run you need to record it and put it on YouTube

I have videos

[thorny coral]

cool

yeah, right, i remember

i think i saw nyaanyaa's name in charts

not at the top but close enough for me to notice