Maybe if it's epic and Snow Burst is common.
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
thorny coral
i think it wouldn't be viable only if you're running stygian soul
unreal tree
yeah
cunning urchin
TFW one of those runs where every other chamber feels like you have JS on when you don't have JS on. 
last dirge
Snow burst is really good because it just enables some stuff with casts
Privileged status becomes much easier
It's a damage increase in a fairly large area (spamming casts will make snow burst kill weak enemies), and the snow burst can do stuff like blow up Lucifer Hellfire
On a cast build that is usually more than a 30% damage increase
worn solar
anti dc 
last dirge
Or at least is more utility than just more raw damage on Achilles which doesnt suffer from lacking damage
Does Achilles buff the snow burst damage?
Like is that considered part of the cast?
cunning urchin
More than 30%? Where are you getting that number from?
last dirge
30% from epic RW
cunning urchin
Snow Burst is not Cast damage, no.
last dirge
Yeah so just global sources. Still probably always better to get Snow Burst first.
cunning urchin
Not necessarily, no. If you see an epic Ravenous Will (RW) and common Snow Burst (SB) and you take RW, you're much more likely to get epic RW + a decent rarity SB than if you take Snow Burst first.
The #1 boon you're looking for from her is usually SB, but it's not "always" better.
bronze marten
Snow burst is just super fun
I even use it on regular builds without casts sometimes
last dirge
I tried to make RW work on stygian
But I kept getting curses that punish me for casting
brisk carbon
Does someone have a list of what best hammers to get for each aspect? I'm gonna Google it too of course but wanted to check in case someone already has that
worn solar
if you google it you should probably show it here because a lot of hades guides are just real bad
worn solar
I've tried a couple of guides I saw and was not feeling them at all
here's like probably the best guide https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
brisk carbon
Oooh thank you!
last dirge
Doing water kicks
Sea storm chamber 5 of tartarus
1 reroll on Zeus to get his call for double strike
Should I take Ares or Demeter now?
Ares could lead to more on hit damage, Demeter for Cold Fusion?
last dirge
I'm already full sadly. I have a lot more dps than the Artemis kicks
Tidal dash sure is helping
Also got Exclusive Access early enough for it to be relevant, and epic Swift Flourish right before
So I can still get hyper+rush
Hypersprint wasnt offered obviously
thorny coral
Privileged status becomes much easier
true, but does anyone even use it?
i thought it was general rule to avoid privileged status
last dirge
Nah its good
proper furnace
P.status Passion flare + snow burst is solid at high heat where mirage is more of a dream
And it still has uses when your build planned getting 2 curses anyways (mainly hangover)
grave yoke
I've been googling around and cant find any credible answers for this one. Does Shared Suffering from Rama bow proc on all hits from Chain Shot?
worn solar
yeah. hitting mutliple enemies with one shot will increase sharred suffering damage chain shot or not
polar python
Noice
Chain shot counts as distinct hits in all the other cases I can think of too.
turbid needle
what build to go with merciful end?
vale imp
get ME, then get athena dash to proc it more easily
polar python
Oh yeah, I'd assumed you have or would get Athena dash.
polar python
I tend to be dashing all the time anyway with Rama, so I'd have Aphrodite or Artemis on attack
Apply special, dash, attack if anything is left alive
void sorrel
how do you guys make the lucifer special work? i tried to utilize athena on the special, and p much got a stationary protection ward from it
but i was wondering if there are better/more interesting ways to utilize the special
turbid needle
you can blow it up when you hitit w the beam for huge dmg
usually you just wanna start blowing it up right away
cunning urchin
Also blows up if you dash into it with something like Tidal Dash.
next wraith
Who do you guys attack first in the Elysium boss fight
I’ve always gone for Asterius
next wraith
Sick
polar python
On recent farming runs I didn't do EM3 and found it really annoying. Theseus just goes into 2nd phase too soon. EM3 is easier.
thorny coral
@proper furnace , static discharge is better in tart, you usually can't even get splitting earlier than in ely, not with god's pride on
splitting is not even part of your game plan with Eris
proper furnace
i dont think seeing a legendary on aspho at least is that rare even with pride
and poseidon dash will do a lot of the dmg during the lack of jolted
proper furnace
i didnt mention tart legendaries bc they arent usually the normal 
polar python
I was pleasantly surprised...
thorny coral
i dont think seeing a legendary on aspho at least is that rare even with pride
a...
either way it felt bad not having static discharge for 2 biomes, so i guess next time i'll use a reroll to get static discharge instead of storm lightning
besides splitting bolt doesn't add that much damage anyway
not when you have clockets
unreal tree
besides splitting bolt doesn't add that much damage anyway
wat
valid dagger
You're underestimating it by quite a bit
thorny coral
yeah maybe
lucid oar
I feel like if you have clockets then you don’t need splitting as much
Since clockets tears through everything
shell sleet
is there a consistent strat to meg DC2 EM3 heroes
valid dagger
It depends on the aspect but I usually meg the exact same way if I can strip dc fast enough
Like with Rama
Or Dedge Nemesis/ Eris etc
shell sleet
oh oops i forgot to say with zeus shield
eris and rama are fast enough to just pop DC and do the normal strat yeah
valid dagger
Hmm I don't have enough experience with Zeus to say for sure but I feel like you could throw your shield and use your attack hit them fast enough
You'll have to try
If it's not consistent I would just save them Meg
And use it later in the fight
Or just not Meg at all
thorny coral
I feel like if you have clockets then you don’t need splitting as much
exactly my point
but you do need static discharge before you get your second hammer, so i should have prioritized that
brisk carbon
I just finished Heat 16 with Malphon, Aspect of Demeter, and oh my lord, it was rough. I can't fathom how some of ya'll can do 32... I'm going to have to figure out better builds. Part of it was my fault because I was trying to max some keepsakes so I had used some keepsakes that weren't very helpful but still, definitely made me sweat
sterile fiber
Eris
errant acorn
I wish I could find a way to get Arctic Blast more often on my Demeter builds. When they work well, they're peerless for me, but it's all or nothing. I have to get Frost Strike and Arctic Blast and Crystal Clarity and Glacial Glare or otherwise I feel pretty weak overall.
And at that point I might as well go for Winter Harvest.
last dirge
It can be pretty strong if you have rapid application
I've done good stuff with it and Rama special
Demeter Rama special is miserable without it
And if you add killing freeze and winter harvest its really good
I see the divide, but Rama special can make both boons work
Enough application speed and application spread
You also want Relentless Volley of course
north portal
If you're going for a full hitless run with no deflecting or evading do you think TD1 is worth just for no survival rooms or not with since the time pressure from TD might make you sloppy?
worn solar
well survival rooms is only just one in tart and they dont always happen anyways
north portal
Yeah. Any other heat worth considering?
worn solar
but 36 minutes is just a whole lot of time for me so i wouldnt care about the timer
idk. hl5 lc4 hs free heat
north portal
I guess...
worn solar
fo1/2 for fun
north portal
I do normally play with FO2 when I'm just playing for fun.
cunning urchin
idk. hl5 lc4 hs free heat
Not HS. m pretty confident it makes magma damage you sooner since the early hits are normally rounded down to 0.
worn solar
thats interesting 
cunning urchin
Similar to how Sure Footing lets you walk on magma for longer without taking damage because the early hits round to 0 for longer.
north portal
What about Erebus rooms? Seems liek you might want the option to take them.
worn solar
well theyre still likely harder to no hit
particularly elysium ones
superdire butterfly balls teleporting into your face 
cunning urchin
Getting a Lord Hermes Erebus would be great.
You probably don't want to enter Erebus from Elysium anyway, though.
Tartarus and Asphodel are fine, though.
north portal
I guess that means sure footing isn't allowed in true no-hit too then.
cunning urchin
Entirely up to you.
Haelian put the ruleset he used for his own runs in the intro. But that doesn't mean you can't make your own rules. https://youtu.be/RbHt6WlOqJM
No damage nullifiers would seem to imply that Sure Footing isn't allowed because it can round some magma damage to zero.
@covert grove, what would you say?
north portal
Yeah I saw that when I was checking out no-hit runs. Looks like a good set of rules.
timber coyote
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812763671436328991/907790975349456996/unknown.png?width=842&height=473 which one should i chose? doin a zag bow with sea storm on the dash
(perfect shot flurry shot point blank shot)
proper furnace
Whats your first hammer
worn solar
flurry ig
thorny coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812763671436328991/907790975349456996/u...
activate windows, man
timber coyote
Whats your first hammer
charged special :| literally didnt have anything for attack
timber coyote
activate windows, man
nah this is the strat i promise you
proper furnace
Oof, flurry seems the best then yeah
timber coyote
oki thanks guys
thorny coral
nah this is the strat i promise you
activate it, don't screw with microsoft
timber coyote
activate it, don't screw with microsoft
wdym
also i got mirage shot offered instead of sea storm... twice
thorny coral
it's because you didn't activate windows
microsoft is screwing around with your rng
timber coyote
ah rip
then why have i had a super lucky run where i got literally everything i could have ever wanted?
timber coyote
one sec
i think its in victory boasting
doesnt look like it
but i can get it after this run
@thorny coral
proper furnace
RI1 Hs
worn solar
RI1 Hs <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
they have olympian favor and fated authority anyways so ri1 is free
proper furnace
Also do you mean olympian favor
worn solar
yeah
timber coyote
RI1 Hs <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
was doing this clear for a prophecy lmao
thorny coral
@vernal carbon or here
unreal tree
% scaling on spear is really mediocre
atleast on attack
the base damage is just so low
thorny coral
as aphro attack fine for an achilles spear speedrun
usually it's best to put aphro on your special
errant acorn
Does the Rush Kick hammer serve any real purpose?
unreal tree
Does the Rush Kick hammer serve any real purpose?
its almost useless outside of gilgamesh
errant acorn
Thought so. I tend not to take hammers that modify the special unless it's Kinetic Launcher or Explosive Upper anyway.
thorny coral
what about flying cutter? isn't that one good?
thorny coral
yeah, charging attacks on fists are not something you want to have, although kinetic launcher gives you range, when your giga cutter is charged you'd usually be close to enemy
thus i prefer explosive upper over anything
unreal tree
kinetic is incredible
thorny coral
well yeah, my first sub 12 run was with this particular hammer
there are so many great hammers on fists though
best thing about the fists, you consistently get good hammers every run
thorny coral
only 2 bad ones
unreal tree
special heals one is fine I guess
thorny coral
also flying cutter you mentioned that is not very good
proven osprey
Heavy can be good
But it's the kind of hammer that sucks if you don't plan to include it in your build
i.e going for lightning strike or doom 
thorny coral
it's good on talos i read
unreal tree
proven osprey
Absolutely!
last dirge
Rush kick is fine tbh. Poseidon actually makes it much safer.
subtle star
Breach is all I ever need...makes any armored foe a joke...especially Hydra heads when mixed with Doom or ME
errant acorn
Breaching Cross is really good. I like to combine it with Rolling Knuckle on a Talos build.
I'd say it's the best overall hammer for the fists but I could be wrong.
cunning urchin
You're not wrong.
worn solar
fists probably have the most trouble against armored enemies dont they
worn solar
low range, not so huge mobility, low burst danage outside charged dem special
well or ME
last dirge
maim
last dirge
That is a lot of the issue with it imo
It should be like 1 second
Thats plenty
That would also greatly decrease the damage you take using it
Doom with Impending is like 1.6 right? So 2 seconds
Yeah right now it lasts 4 seconds
icy shoal
Snow Burst is pretty useful with 6 casts and Hera bow
cunning urchin
if it didnt take like 3 seconds to go off
4 seconds.
worn solar
thats even sadder
cunning urchin
It's nice for Asphodel at least.
Especially because chasing enemies with those Gilgadashes is rough.
cunning urchin
Snow Burst is pretty useful with 6 casts and Hera bow
Yeah, Snow Burst is excellent on Hera.
worn solar
fo2 aspho with melee
shell sleet
there should be a hammer that triples the length of the blade
lucid oar
Duh bah lejj
thorny coral
fists probably have the most trouble against armored enemies dont they <:thanthi...
i guess that's why breaching cross exists
cunning urchin
there should be a hammer that triples the length of the blade <:bouldy:523329116...
worn solar
wut
worldly stream
There should be a hammer that triples the rail’s range
worn solar
hestia
shell sleet
https://tenor.com/view/king-arthur-sword-in-the-stone-excalibur-sword-magic-gif-...
but what if i want arthur sword that coveres 3/4ths of the screen in 1 swing
last dirge
Use piercing wave
valid dagger
@worn solar wait what are we talking about again
worn solar
dashing flight chaos interaction
valid dagger
Oh
worn solar
plus hunters dash/chaos lunge interaction
i read on spedcord that it makes chaos and arty dash damage apply
valid dagger
I thought it was referring to something with rr
strange lark
dash specials (dash upper and dashing flight)
GET chaos special buffs
DO NOT take damage from chaos special curses
DO get chaos dash strike buffs
DO NOT take damage from chaos attack curses
GET hunter dash buffs
proper furnace
wait dashing flight does that? huh
last dirge
I'd almost rather do that with Beowulf tbh
It has the big special damage
It's not like all of your chaos shields are getting empowered by the dashing flight
So I'd go Beowulf with Artemis special or dash first
Just lean into that and focus resources on Chaos
worn solar
yeah having to do the bull rush wastes a lot of time tbh
quaint canyon
is dire misfortune or impending doom better if you're running doom chaos shield?
thorny coral
chaos shield is powerful in the right hands i guess
worn solar
tried out seastorm on it
but like
its all poseidon and zeus damage
and im not even using the bullrush since its a waste of time
so tbh its still just worse zag shield
thorny coral
and im not even using the bullrush since its a waste of time
throwing out just one shield?
worn solar
yep
proper furnace
doesnt shield knockback trigger sea storm anyways?
worn solar
yeah
proper furnace
one time i did that then proceed to take pulv blow like a fool
worn solar
so bullrushing is just wasted time i could be dashstriking/using regular specials
like ill do it occasionally but most of the time its just inefficient
thorny coral
so technically this build would be better off on zag shield
worn solar
yep lmao
thorny coral
i heard before 1.0 patch chaos shield was actually good
why did they have to make it worse
worn solar
rn im past champs at a bit under 7 minutes. shall post update when laptop charges/after lunch
thorny coral
still good time, not for you maybe, but in general
worn solar
yeah itll be a sub 9 likely which is still pretty good for me
got a lot of free rooms which helped
thorny coral
@minor yew , so does arthur's special slow down blade rift?
minor yew
<@!210190182471827456> , so does arthur's special slow down blade rift?
not the rift itself but it keeps enemies inside it grouped
so if you get the hammer that increases the size of the special you can basically slow down everything and just dash back and forth to spawn blade rifts
while also dealing sword dmg
and since theyre slowed theyll take basically all the dmg ticks
thorny coral
somewhat does but it works alot lol
no one is to say meme builds don't work
minor yew
no one is to say meme builds don't work
if you can build revenge and afk hades and win anything works
lmao
thorny coral
they're just done more for fun factor, not efficiency
but sub 20 with a build like that is ok i guess
impressive even maybe
worn solar
blade rifts are pretty good damage
did dem 40 with most of my damage coming from rifts
thorny coral
ever did Arthur 40 with blade rifts?
thorny coral
maybe Alex someday will
minor yew
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/905176306302455898/H...
just got 19 heat done
woohoo
sub15
thorny coral
lol literally nothing but the aphro attack
how often did you use the special?
minor yew
god i love blade rifts sometimes
worn solar
how often did you use the special?
to reapply the aura
thorny coral
to reapply the aura
very often then
minor yew
c :
worn solar
idk. it lasts awhile
thorny coral
so you just apply the aura and stand around inside of it?
minor yew
pretty mch that
worn solar
swift strike ya mean? ya gets combos off a lot quicker
last dirge
Yeah
It can be tough to build for
I kinda want to try for both attack speed boons + bad news
Maybe a ME build
amber tusk
Got the aspect of Arthur and Idk what to go for as a build
last dirge
Ugh I hate this current seed
I tried to go for a Beowulf special run
Awful 2nd hammer so I just reset
Like dashing wasnt feeling good alone
But I notice good boons for mirage shot and sea storm
Even get an epic flood shot
Then I get Exclusive Access and Refreshing Nectar and line up two Poseidon boons and dont get mirage shot
worn solar
wait why
worn solar
seastorm aint really worth diluting your duo pool
last dirge
Fair
worn solar
could just get zeus dash or call
worn solar
deadly strike is really good on bei cuz of the +100% charge atk dmg when you have a cast loaded
last dirge
But yeah I dont think dashing flight is good
I know
I was just being greedy and even though some stuff lined up I didnt get the very likely duo
worn solar
dashing flight can be funny since it applies hunters dash and chaos lunge dmg
worn solar
also gud with explosive return though less of a beo thing
worn solar
yeah
last dirge
Shield has some strong special hammer you cant get on Zeus or Chaos
worn solar
idk if the charged special works with dashing flight though
last dirge
Yeah didnt get that on my 2nd or 1st hammer
I just wanted the charged special tbh
Just lined up to give me hunter dash
Oh and I got +93% special damage in elysium
Still reset because of the awful 2nd hammer
worn solar
yeah wiki says it cant combine
last dirge
Because anvil is like 50/50
Ah
I'll have to try rng stuff to change the hammer then
This seed has: epic deadly flourish with 1 reroll if you take Artemis keepsake, nectar 2nd chamber, chaos gate or hammer or like gold chamber 3
Natural 1st god is Ares
What should I do? Take the chaos gate?
I'm just going for special damage
Because that hammer currently doesnt have great choices
worn solar
chaos ig
last dirge
I could smash pots room 1 if that would help
The only rng manipulation I've tried is changing the mirror
worn solar
if chaos has special dmg could always get a later hammer
last dirge
Yeah that seed is cursed
I spent an hour manipulating it until I just broke it somehow and now the default is just 3 pages of epic blade dash
At no point will it give me charged flight
minor yew
any tips on EM3 theseus/asterius? im trying 32heat on arthur aspect but the giant ass tank theseus rides is actually shredding me no matter what HL i run lmao
minor yew
theseus run-by spray and asterius mega beyblade are my pain points
bombs not so much really
worn solar
mhm. yeah its probably more of a pain on arthur because of how slow it is. when theseus does drive bys its gunna come either of the diagonals so watch out for that. and asterius beyblade is mainly just about running away since he's pretty slow
if you build for smouldering air with zeus/dio/poseidon call it would probably help out
minor yew
if you build for smouldering air with zeus/dio/poseidon call it would probably h...
never done that combo but ill look into it
worn solar
usually theseus will go around in a circle throwing bombs but sometimes he'll go directly up or down throwing them in a line
minor yew
gotcha
worn solar
you can also deflect them but its a bit finicky
minor yew
you can also deflect them but its a bit finicky
well, made it past but lost all my DDs and died in a satyr chamber, god i hate those things.
worn solar
rip
minor yew
maybe max hard labor isnt all i expected it to be lmao, i thought cause arthr gives more hp i should be alright but i might tweak it a bit in the morning
viral valve
zeus and artemis support fire build, pretty fun. and charges your aid bar like something else https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/581823865357860886/908678968968888330/BUILD.png?width=994&height=700
brisk carbon
I was on heat 17 last night with Malphon (dem) and unbelievably I was able to finish the heat despite having the mirror's bottom 3 skills are locked
thorny coral
unbelievably indeed
proper furnace
Why where you using RI at 17 heat
sterile fiber
Better than RI at 32 heat
strange lark
bruh just do 50
cunning urchin
think im gonna try mirrorless 47 heat, already did 45 a week ago
Nice! Did you submit that one?
cunning urchin
Ah gotcha.
unreal tree
no need to 🔫 
cunning urchin
no need to 🔫 <:dusa:672829221714001947>
🔫 That won't stop me.
unreal tree
terse thistle
it's official: chaos shield my new fav of them... and i've only scratched the surface
timber coyote
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812763671436328991/908920079788408872/unknown.png whats this "bias" you speak of
shell sleet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812763671436328991/908920079788408872/u...
clearly a malphon enjoyer
surreal quail
What cast is recommended when using Aspect of Eres? I was thinking Poseidon would be best because it’s chunky and has lots of additional effects like knock back, knock into wall, extra splash damage, razor shoals, etc
Or is stopping to cast just not as much DPS as having zeus attack with pressure points and fully pommed jolted status?
last dirge
Casts are mostly for bosses
Use true shot ig
If you have her in your pool already
It would crit for like 400 dmg with no poms
The main benefit would be to set up mark. You kill too fast with Eris to need to always be casting
errant acorn
I'm sure I'm not alone in preferring Hestia to Eris. I recognize that Eris is one of the strongest aspects in the game, but Hestia feels a bit more rewarding to me.
What hammers do most Hestia players use these days?
vale imp
the ricochet fire hammer is probably the best QOL hammer because it helps to clear rooms faster
worn solar
clockets
shell sleet
Or is stopping to cast just not as much DPS as having zeus attack with pressure ...
cast on eris is only to apply boiling blood to bosses since just special + atk + dash is far higher DPS in normal rooms and cast would just waste time
so any cast that can lodge is fine (so no crystal meme, ares cast etc)
most of the time i dont bother picking up a cast unless its the only good thing poseidon offered and i cant waste rolls since atleast that unlocks sea storm
cunning urchin
Or is stopping to cast just not as much DPS as having zeus attack with pressure ...
Common rotation is Special > Cast > Dash + hold attack and mash Dash > empty clip > Reload + Special > Cast > etc.
Especially early in the run. Later on not so much. Flood Shot is okay to unlock Sea Storm, but it's not a priority. He has better boons. Phalanx Shot is alright just to unlock Proud Bearing.
Otherwise you probably want to avoid taking Casts in favor of boons that do more or that can't be pommed (to get your poms on the boons you want to level).
If you can't avoid it, I find Trippy Shot is always a decent pick. The stun is nice and the pom scaling is excellent, and you can unlock Scintillating Feast.
shell sleet
is trippy really good to take? it slows down boss damage
manic willow
any tips for hades spear?
shell sleet
stun only works on unarmoured enemies which eris would melt in a second anyways
worn solar
any tips for hades spear?
dash strike into spins for one and you can release the spin by dashing rather than letting go of attack which gives it better reach and you some mobility/i frames
worn solar
artemis works well paired with aphro for heartrend
since hades spear has the additive dmg from marking enemies with the spin
manic willow
thank u very much
worn solar
look out for exploding launcher hammer wise
manic willow
yepppp!! :)
cunning urchin
No, the stun from Festive Fog doesn't only work on unarmored enemies.
cunning urchin
is trippy really good to take? it slows down boss damage
You lose like what? 2 seconds in a boss fight?
shell sleet
No, the stun from Festive Fog doesn't only work on unarmored enemies.
really? ive never seen enemies with armour get stunned
cunning urchin
Pretty sure, yeah.
shell sleet
You lose like what? 2 seconds in a boss fight?
probably a bit more than that except for lernie
cunning urchin
I doubt that.
Trippy Shot damage is great, anyway. I did say if you can't avoid it, it's fine to take it.
If you have Cluster or Clockets, you're overkilling anyway. And if you don't, your Special damage doesn't matter as much on bosses.
And not every run needs to be for speed anyway. Trippy is great especially at higher heats. Festive Fog is amazing.
surreal quail
The main benefit would be to set up mark. You kill too fast with Eris to need to...
That’s what I was wondering. I was thinking the damage buff would be cool for a cast build but it seems like such high dps
cunning urchin
That’s what I was wondering. I was thinking the damage buff would be cool for a ...
True Shot on Eris is pretty bad. If you already have a Special boon from someone else and you run into Lady Artemis, just take Pressure Points and then get Hunter's Mark.
After that, she doesn't really have anything you'd want.
surreal quail
True Shot on Eris is pretty bad. If you already have a Special boon from someone...
I am so glad you just said this
cunning urchin
Well, she has Lightning Rod. That's pretty good.
surreal quail
I was just given Arty in shop and got the choice between Heroic True Shot (over epic electric shot), epic hunter dash (over rare thunder dash), and epic pressure points (which I’ve been wanting for the jolted procs)
Hardest choice of my life
cunning urchin
Easy pick.
surreal quail
I should mention
I have 5 crystals with quick reload and flurry cast lol
I figured I’d try it for the memes
surreal quail
Easy pick.
True shot sounded like the easy pick to me but is it pressure points?
cunning urchin
Yeah, Pressure Points.
surreal quail
I wasn’t blown away by my level 3 epic electric shot and I could see level 3 heroic true shot being really good with 5 crystals and flurry cast plus exit wounds and quick reload
But I’ll take the PP
cunning urchin
Pressure Points on its own is whatever, but it shines when you get Hunter's Mark.
surreal quail
Lol I just got fully loaded. Took it over rare support fire to really load up on the cast memes
robust perch
Don't get why people don't like pressure points
It's like the most reliable support boon available
PP with zeus/dionysus just gets silly
valid dagger
Don't get why people don't like pressure points
On it’s own it just doesn’t do a whole lot like Nyaanyaa said
robust perch
Thats the part I don't get, it does do a fair amount
People go nuts over strong drink- PP is directly better unless you're using a super slow weapon
It just gets really, really good with hunters mark
lucid oar
Strong drink is 3-30% additive damage, pressure points is 4-10% multiplicative damage
valid dagger
Strong Drink is much stronger than PP on it’s own
lucid oar
Definitely not the same on their own
lucid oar
I gave you the numbers
robust perch
Not to you, mike
lucid oar
You’re never going to be doing enough damage for 5% multiplicative damage to outshine 30% additive
Ever
Unless you route
robust perch
Not to mention, PP can be pommed
lucid oar
That takes a Pom away from a different boon
valid dagger
It’s often not worth doing that
lucid oar
You should never Pom pp
robust perch
You're talking about getting strong drink at the very beginning though
And what it gives you at the end
PP is a consistent boost
And of course you should pom PP
lucid oar
No you shouldn’t
lucid oar
Unless your other options are something like bronze skin and deadly strike, don’t Pom PP
robust perch
By the time you run all your % damage buffs you're probably running 300%+ additional damage
lucid oar
Not even close
robust perch
An epic PP unpommed is now worth 32% damage
lucid oar
Unless you high roll for heroic aphro special on everything
lucid oar
Eris isn’t the only aspect in the game
lucid oar
Theres so many sources of damage buffing
I am well aware
robust perch
Each one you get makes strong drink worse and PP better
lucid oar
I mean ok
But all that doesn’t really matter
Nyaanyaa’s point still stands
Pressure points gets way better if you get mark
robust perch
Unquestionably yeah
Thats where it truly shines- but I think it's still underappreciated even on its own
People see 3/4% and automatically write it off
lucid oar
Those people aren’t the people that are getting 300% extra additive damage in an average escape
robust perch
They're also not the people to pay any attention to how game mechanics work
Which is why they write off a great boon
They'll also say smoldering air is bad
valid dagger
robust perch
Because max aphro call is the best in the game
lucid oar
*arti
robust perch
Ah yeah sorry
lucid oar
It’s enough to instaphase lernie!!!!!
valid dagger
Lmao
robust perch
😂
arctic charm
@subtle star
Dad was really nice 😄
one-two, evade after your combo? That's some UFC stuff lol lemme try. I'm not nice with the rhythm yet but I'll try it, thanks very much!
subtle star
<@!310883131265908737>
Dad was really nice 😄
one-two, evade after your combo...
Yeah man, once I stopped mashing buttons and got more rhythmic/intentional with punches, it made a huge difference…oh and good call on the convo locale change 😉
arctic charm
thanks friend 😄
cunning urchin
They're also not the people to pay any attention to how game mechanics work
It's quite the opposite, players regularly overrate Pressure Points.
Also, calling a 2-4% crit chance a consistent boon is a bit funny to me tbh.
cunning urchin
Is Hera a slow weapon?
proven osprey
pew pew
proven osprey
PP is good bc it opens up hunter's mark and that's it
the combo is pretty cool and nice as a support dps
if you're already going crit there are better options
valid dagger
And it can lead to the Legendary on aspects that can use it well like Beowulf
valid dagger
I wasn't sure either until I got it on 50 Heat 
unreal tree
cunning urchin
And it can lead to the Legendary on aspects that can use it well like Beowulf
Support Fire?
unreal tree
AP1 RI0 EM4 
valid dagger
Well yea you need 2 tho
cunning urchin
That's the legendary, I mean.
cunning urchin
Support Fire is the legendary.
valid dagger
unreal tree
Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
cunning urchin
lol
shell sleet
Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw ...
is this a copypasta
valid dagger
There was another good copypasta I forgot about
unreal tree
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything unless…the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
unreal tree
A bit perplexed as to why Curse of Drowning is ranked higher than Curse of Longing when the latter is a pretty good way to keep Privileged Status on for at least 3 seconds minimum - in fact Drowning is so annoying when trying to spec for Flood Shot and Ares boons pop up
unreal tree
Oh it was Arthur
Oh yeah give me a sec lol
shell sleet
A bit perplexed as to why Curse of Drowning is ranked higher than Curse of Longi...
0/10 not long enough to be a good copypasta
valid dagger
lmao
shell sleet
edit out the swears i want to see
cunning urchin
Bruh.
unreal tree
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Nemesis sword" that's going on in the Hades speedrunning community right now. Arthur deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine King in Brittain for 2,400,000 Pounds (that's about $3 305 472) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Arthur.
Brittish royalty will spend years working on a single heir and mate up to a million times to produce the finest rulers known to mankind.
Arthurs are thrice as sharp as Nemesis swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a Nemesis sword can cut through, an Arthur can cut through better. I'm pretty sure an Arthur could easily bisect a Hades wearing DC2 with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why Greece never bothered conquering Brittain? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined rulers and their heirs of destruction. Even in World War II, German soldiers targeted the men with the with crowns first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Arthur is simply the best sword that the game has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the hades system. Here is the stat block I propose for Arthur:
WR in any heat: 4:20
Average run time IGT: 6:09
Average RTA run: 12:02
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Arthurs in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Arthur needs to go faster in Hades, see my new time block.
Someone re purposed a katana copypasta
shell sleet
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Nemesis sword" that's going on in the Hades sp...
now this is a good copypasta
proper furnace
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Nemesis sword" that's going on in the Hades sp...
No words to explain how much i love this
Also the divine dash copypasta always funny
unreal tree
Hemingway is supposed to have won a $10 bet (no small sum in the 20s) from his fellow writers to write a sad story in only 6 words. They paid up without a word. Here it is. I still can't think of it without crying -- "Mom Blossom, It pommed divine dash"
cunning urchin
It's so wrong, though. Divine Dash isn't even a 
. What a noob. 
proper furnace
My 40 heat rama was with passion dash iirc so its true 🌹
proper furnace
My 40 heat rama was with passion dash iirc so its true 🌹
Nvm it was no dash
valid dagger
lol
unreal tree
proper furnace
still is in my top 3 choices, specially for hangover eris
cunning urchin
languid forum
Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw ...
merami moment
cunning urchin
@thorny coral Skelly and Dusa help a lot in Erebus.
Nothing that can save you from a Superelite Soulcatcher, though.
grave yoke
Can you get back a boon that you sell? If for example you sell Divine Dash and then find Athena, can Divine Dash be one of the choices?
proper furnace
yup
grave yoke
Coolio!
thorny coral
<@747893020942401677> Skelly and Dusa help a lot in Erebus. <:courte5AphroHeart:...
right, i use Meg, never really used them except to fill out the codex, but they sure have their uses, and they're fun
i probably should change things up a bit
stop trying to speedrun, i can't make it anyway
having fun should be priority, so thanks for the tip
cunning urchin
Speedrunning can be fun, just gotta keep in mind there are many ways to have fun in the game. Speedrunning is just one of them.
little vault
So I had exclusive access and went to Eurydice and chose the Ambrosia Delight and my two common boons were upgraded to epic - never seen that before
thorny coral
ahahah, nice
meanwhile i couldn't get it done
even with skelly's help
cleared in tart and in asphodel those erebus gates, but in ely the enemies murdered skelly so fast that i couldn't lift a finger
and i was the one who they murdered next
enemies with fo2 are sure tough
maybe try taking a shield next time
play smart
sterile fiber
Dusa's keepsake is handy in Erebus
boreal prism
don't worry about her
don't you ever wonder how she stocks the lounge with ambrosia? she's beaten theseus more than zag has
boreal prism
she asked him to stop, so she could do it herself
thorny coral
yeah, you probably right
come to think of it, it wouldn't be hard for her to murder Theseus
just turn him into stone and shatter
bitter depot
4th shield ability is to consume cast (s) to charge your dragon charge, so instead of just being a long dash, it is a large, a bit shorter dash that with aprodite cast makes it so that when you end the charge, all the casts fall on top of you, insta resetting the combo @sterile fiber
i actually saw that on a 50 heat run here in discord, so OP
proper furnace
Crush shot not lodging sometimes is just the hit box being a bit weird
sterile fiber
oh yeah I know the rough mechanic, just not sure whether optimal play is to stop before the enemy or rush through
proper furnace
The speedrun discord has a longer explanation on it iirc
bitter depot
oh cool
worn solar
Crush shot not lodging sometimes is just the hit box being a bit weird
thats hera not beo
bitter depot
oh yeah I know the rough mechanic, just not sure whether optimal play is to stop...
i personally find that it depends, if you want to hit behind them, go trough, otherwise just bash em in front, AOE does the work most of the time
proper furnace
thats hera not beo <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
#h1-for-new-players message was mainly refering to this
worn solar
oh there
smoky horizon
should i take for eris flurry fire, hazard bomb or rocket bomb 
proper furnace
rocket
last dirge
Rocket
proper furnace
hazard is a fun meme, but rocket comfy
last dirge
Rocket is like the best eris upgrade
Just makes it easier to use
You'd only really avoid it for certain things
proper furnace
also if its 1st hammer, pray for cluster bomb 2nd hammer
smoky horizon
ooooo okay! sorry, last question lol i picked zeus since i heard it should be used for eris (i might be completely wrong though lmao) --- does it go on attack or special?
proper furnace
attack
after that, look for static discharge and maybe his call, storm lightning is ok too (as it open the legendary boon)
subtle star
I actually prefer Cluster over Rocket…Sure it is slower but I can toss them up and forget about them most of the time, get my damage buff, shoot and repeat….then with bosses, I can layer 5 shots and damage them faster.
proper furnace
Rocket is pretty much "hug enemy, shoot special, you get buff" tho
Cluster is still a good first option as it removes triple/hazard from the pool anyways
unreal tree
cunning urchin
Snacks are fun.
turbid needle
What skills are good for beowulf shield?
cunning urchin
That's a pretty good guide for the most common builds in speedruns and at high heat.
unreal tree
High heat is mostly passion flare with snow burst
Priv status too
the big AOE on flood flare can blow up too many pots
Trippy is a ton of damage but very inconsistent, need to get a chaos cast stone asap
rose siren
wait, why's Trippy inconsistent?
rose siren
u mean the green perk bloodstone?
unreal tree
You pick stygian because trippy takes too long to finish its animation
valid dagger
Yes, with Trippy you use Stygian
rose siren
oh, but that means if u dun get chaos, u're screwed
cunning urchin
Right.
valid dagger
Which is why it’s inconsistent compared to other options
cunning urchin
Still better than Infernal Soul for Trippy Flare, though.
cunning urchin
@thorny coral rather than pinning the blame on Tiny Vermin, look at ways to speed things up that you're in control of and work on that.
thorny coral
and what's that?
cunning urchin
Things like spawn manipulation, build decisions, grouping up enemies, more efficient navigation during encounters, etc.
thorny coral
regarding build, i didn't get many things i wanted to (splitting bolt and smoldering air), but i think it's due to using god's pride
but i did get the most important boons, like jolted and breaking wave
cunning urchin
Build was decent. You could have used more poms on Tidal Dash. I don't know how soon in the run you got those to what level, though. That makes a difference.
valid dagger
Also I wouldnt use Stygian
cunning urchin
Watching some top speedrunners when they stream can help a lot to see how much room for improvement there is.
valid dagger
With Achilles
thorny coral
i got too many boons already in tart, so didn't get many chances to pom tidal dash unfortunately
but yeah, i was missing out on potential higher damage, since i got epic wave pounding and +1 dash
cunning urchin
If you only save a few seconds every encounter, that's already over a minute off your time.
thorny coral
Watching some top speedrunners when they stream can help a lot to see how much r...
i watch them sometimes, especially Duunk0
i'm waiting for him to do achilles video guide
valid dagger
Your cast can help in smoother Tartarus and it’s also good boss dmg if you put in a few poms / get mirage etc
Duunko is retired
cunning urchin
Have you ready 185's guide? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?usp=sharing
thorny coral
yes
valid dagger
If you plan on speedrunning IGT i don’t know why you’re running EM3 and TD
cunning urchin
Infernal vs Stygian
Casts are part of building Achilles. That's why Infernal is better here.
Buffed base casts oneshot a lot of things in Tartarus too.I think people take Stygian for Ravenous Will but if you just do your best you can get the bonus even on Infernal.
thorny coral
Your cast can help in smoother Tartarus and it’s also good boss dmg if you put i...
i mostly don't use achilles as a cast weapon, since flurry is easier
but if i did, it'd be different mirror options right from the start
god's legacy instead of god's pride
i almost never can get any duos without god's legacy
thorny coral
If you plan on speedrunning IGT i don’t know why you’re running EM3 and TD
oh, i'm collecting bounties for now
valid dagger
Fair
cunning urchin
You can throw a Cast right before you Dash in to engage enemies with almost no downtime.
Especially if you throw the Cast right as the enemies spawn.
It's one of the ways you can increase your DPS a lot especially early on.
thorny coral
i'll keep that in mind, i always forget about casts
i mean +50% bonus damage is not something to neglect
cunning urchin
There's that, too. But the Cast itself just does decent damage.
You can see it on almost every aspect in speedruns nowadays.
cunning urchin
Stygian used to be more popular to improve the odds of getting good Lord Hermes boons, and also people wanted to avoid Lightning Rod because it was still underrated (and also not as good before buffs). But Infernal is the go-to now.
valid dagger
If you want to improve Hermes odds don’t pick up a call
thorny coral
damn, i missed out on those +5% global damage
valid dagger
Athena would’ve been nice to see
thorny coral
i was so fixated on getting more apho and zeus
cunning urchin
Except Second Wind + Rush Delivery is actually pretty good, too.
thorny coral
Stygian used to be more popular to improve the odds of getting good Lord Hermes ...
everything's changing so fast
valid dagger
Yes but that would be a third Hermes
cunning urchin
Well... Infernal has been meta for probably the whole year now, I'd say.
valid dagger
I meant pick up a call later or use Dad call for Ely instead
cunning urchin
Second Wind + Rush Delivery is two boons.
I'd mainly take Sigil on Achilles, yeah.
thorny coral
If you want to improve Hermes odds don’t pick up a call
oh, sure, i didn't know
valid dagger
Second Wind + Rush Delivery is two boons. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
But second wind doesn’t open up rd does it
thorny coral
I'd mainly take Sigil on Achilles, yeah.
so i shouldn't push for smoldering air?
cunning urchin
Not as your first priority. If you see it, sure, take it.
cunning urchin
But second wind doesn’t open up rd does it
Pretty sure it does. Lemme check.
proven osprey
But second wind doesn’t open up rd does it
Haste/Sprint/Plume
thorny coral
Stygian used to be more popular to improve the odds of getting good Lord Hermes ...
and lightning rod may be good on zeus build yeah
but not so much on hunting blades build i think
cunning urchin
Lightning Rod is always decent damage.
thorny coral
and actually i don't play cast build Achilles that often, so yeah, lightning rod is good
valid dagger
Haste/Sprint/Plume
Yea that’s what I thought too
proven osprey
It would not make sense since Second Wind has a requirement already
Rush delivery is not a legendary boon
thorny coral
it's better than any legendary boon though
proven osprey
not really
it's not useful alone, not on every aspect, and it needs to be epic to really shine
Like you probably prefer dashes on sword for example
thorny coral
yeah, because even +1 dash is already +100% more damage
proven osprey
but to be fair most legendaries are a bit underwhelming
cunning urchin
Hmm yeah, Second Wind doesn't unlock it. Kinda sucks. But Second Wind is still an amazing boon.
valid dagger
Very true
thorny coral
Hmm yeah, Second Wind doesn't unlock it. Kinda sucks. But Second Wind is still a...
with smoldering air especially
cunning urchin
Speaking of Lord Hermes, Greater Haste is kinda underrated.
thorny coral
maybe because it is considered to be inferior version of hyper delivery
even with epic rd, it only gives +40%
but then again, you don't have to do anything to get this bonus
thorny coral
even with epic rd, it only gives +40%
oh, and greater haste has to be epic too
so yeah, two epic boons just to get +40%
cunning urchin
Common is pretty bad, but rare and epic are nice. Not just for Rush Delivery, but movement speed just helps you get out of danger more easily.
And it's multiplicative with any Ichors you pick up.
Or Second Wind.
It's nowhere near Hyper Sprint, but it's just very underrated is my point.
thorny coral
i agree about overall increased movement speed, feels nice not to move like a snail
that's why i pick it every time when there's no better alternative
cunning urchin
You can mistime a dash for i-frames and still run out of range of dad's spin, for example.
thorny coral
And it's multiplicative with any Ichors you pick up.
with epic rd and epic haste, from picking up ichor you'll up your bonus damage to 60%, right?
cunning urchin
Should be +54%. 1.4 * 1.1 = 1.54.
thorny coral
why 1.1? ichor gives you +20%
thorny coral
oh, better than i though then
cunning urchin
+101.6% with two Ichors.
thorny coral
daaamn
who needs hyper sprint
meanwhile i don't know why i'm still collecting bounties
i'm so rich already
i don't know what to do with my riches already, would that i could transfer them to someone, or to my second save file
guess it's just my inner completionist
need to do 20 heat with every weapon
cunning urchin
Max all the aspects and upgrade your rank, I guess.
cunning urchin
Yeah, check the Broker for special deals to get Darkness.
thorny coral
he almost never sells darkness
cunning urchin
Yeah.
thorny coral
darkness, the only thing i have in scarce
why do i need all those diamonds and ambrosias if there's no way to spend them
cunning urchin
And the only fish that trade for Darkness are in Chaos lol.
thorny coral
i think game is not perfectly balanced in this one regard
some of the resources you have in abundance
while others you have to scrape together
cunning urchin
Yeah, but the ranks are just a resource sink for players who already have hundreds of hours in the game pretty much. So it doesn't really matter too much.
Resource balance up to that point is perfectly fine.
thorny coral
And the only fish that trade for Darkness are in Chaos lol.
i love those voidskates
shell sleet
And it's multiplicative with any Ichors you pick up.
is ichor also multiplicative with hypersprint? or is it unique to greater haste
lucid oar
All sources of movement speed are multiplicative with each other
unreal tree
Except for the cursed dad call interaction
shell sleet
valid dagger
https://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingTriangularBasenjiWholeWheat-6XytWE6L3r-tY-J6 @sterile fiber You can see it used here multiple times
Both clips by Vorime
sterile fiber
Are those with Flurry Shot
valid dagger
They are but flurry isnt needed for the interaction
sterile fiber
what's the interaction exactly - damage boost? Higher accuracy?
unreal tree
Theseus's chariot was near a wall(the part where he is static) then I cast into him and they just keep coming out
unreal tree
Your casts lodge then dislodge
So you can fire them again
This can be repeated for a ton of damage
sterile fiber
do both you and the enemy have to be close to a wall
unreal tree
Also exit wounds stonks possibly
unreal tree
do both you and the enemy have to be close to a wall
Just the enemy if its hera
spiral badge
If you are on a very, very shallow angle to a wall when firing, the triggerbox of crush shot can sense that wall as it’s traveling and detonate. Because crush shot is an AOE blast though, the enemy will still be damaged 100% while the blood stone never actually reaches them
This can be abused to hell and back with styx where you can find spots to just autofire your shotgun and deal AOE damage over and over. Vaporize rooms in seconds with the right spot and they’re not hard to stumble over
Yes this stacks with auto-cast, yes it’s astounding
Interesting to see it’s a thing on hera. I run into it all the time with talos up close and personal.
sterile fiber
by auto-cast do you mean the mirror cast regen or Hermes' boon
spiral badge
If you are on a very, very shallow angle to a wall when firing, the triggerbox o...
I can’t verify this 100% but it seems like solid theory and is repeatable *
Hermes boon
Or even just hammering the trigger. Your bloodstones respawn the second they collide with the wall. With fists at point blank that effectively means they spawn right back into your back pocket
All about finding the right spot/angle to provoke it
Honestly I will say though: Autocast is a mixed bag with this bug/feature. It dramatically ups the rate of fire of your existing cast so it makes this behavior go nuts. What that means on-the-ground is you have much less margin of error for missing the angle and missing shots before your mag is empty, which makes it easy to miss it by an inch and be left with no casts after your burp gun goes off. I myself find the semi-auto rate to be sufficient and much easier to control, so I’m generally not weeping if I miss the auto-fire boon.
sterile fiber
you're talking about the boon that lets casts return automatically to you, right?
valid dagger
Autocast sounds like Flurry cast
spiral badge
No, the actual full-auto fire boon
The one that returns them automatically is amazing with this glitch
Ideal build for this (on melee) would be something like +cast speed from Hermes, NOT auto-fire, and the cast return boon. Find a corner and stuff just melts under blast after blast of hot hugs and kisses
viral valve
the instant shard return legendary and dementers beam work so damm well together https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581823865357860886/909497484370391080/unknown.png
worn solar
@gloomy kite what about the second phase is messing you up?
gloomy kite
Im not sure if it's cause of the 2nd stage specifically, but I just don't have the health to survive it haha
The lasers I can handle cause I just hide behind pillars, and I can dodge him fine. I think it's those skulls releasing the wave things. I cant kill them fast enough cause im tryna not get damaged by hades or the other enemies
the wave is how I just died 
I only had 1 death defiance too which was annoying. bloody theseus and cow man >.>
Maybe im not doing enough damage? Are there any boons I should just focus on getting with the railgun
last dirge
Its 100% repeatable with Greater Recovery
Your casts either wont lodge or they will do enough damage to kill the enemy
oblique sierra
Does jolted proc with zeus attack?
last dirge
It procs on enemy attack
worn solar
zeus attack places the status
last dirge
Yeah
oblique sierra
Got it
patent frost
is it possible to get a boon of each god b4 reaching theseus
boreal prism
I know it's possible before hades
once you have 4 gods, you stop getting more gods naturally
you can get 5 gods in tartarus, by buying a boon from a god you don't have in a shop while the next room is a different god you don't have
and from there you use 3 more god keepsakes to get 8 right after theseus
cunning urchin
is it possible to get a boon of each god b4 reaching theseus
Nope.
patent frost
ty
tacit marlin
when am i supposed to use meg
like, lernie, heroes, and hades are obvious but what about the other 2 uses
minis like butterflies and sneak?
shielders?
worn solar
when am i supposed to use meg
minibosses, champs, and dad yeah. generally isnt needed for lernie unless youre low health or have low dps
tacit marlin
gotcha
rose siren
if u use on mini-boss, it tends to kill off their armor, so u can burn them down fast
sneak could be difficult, since it tp around and u could miss the timing easily
unreal tree
Nah sneak is probably the easiest
You just wait for it to disappear then appear then meg immediately
rose siren
lol i like the idea that is the easiest vs the butterfly or the doomstone
last dirge
Like
Use it on stuff you'll struggle against
For example if you have a trippy shot build and get sneak
You'll never land a cast so that will save time and hp
teal totem
I just started using zeus shield, and never realised on hit effects proc when the BD hits you, like the zeus lighting bolt
worn solar
think i noticed that with chaos too. game funny
vale stirrup
Is it viable to have charons keepsake with trap and magma damage passives if you are lucky and have a weapon that can push enemies to those traps
vale stirrup
cool which weapon is better fists with the kick hammer upgrade or beowulf shield
turbid needle
idk if you want to push enemies around pick tidal dash
vale stirrup
ah tidal dash makes sense
last dirge
Tidal dash only. Gilgamesh probably.
You might want breaking wave but avoid too much damage
Although killing enemies by shoving them into walls until they die is similar enough to trap kills
It's not damage you did directly
Yeah you kinda need it
For Styx, where knockbacks will replace traps
Since most of the trap damage is replaced with poison
You can use the few Styx traps but you dont get them every room
last dirge
Yeah changing your seed is tough
Or do you mean boon rerolls
You can reroll your seed too somewhat
vale stirrup
boon rerolls
last dirge
You can change the mirror. Only some stuff works.
And the pots in the first room
Will at least change following rooms
Do you think there are any "optimal" weapons for call builds?
Like Arthur's special could help with stuff like Zeus call
Then again so would Talos
It works on any weapon obviously, but I'm curious what people would choose for a call only attempt
valid dagger
Eris
valid dagger
If it's just the call and nothing else then idk
unreal tree
It works on any weapon obviously, but I'm curious what people would choose for a...
Guan yu lol
This run is gold
last dirge
Call and nothing else seems incredibly unfeasible
last dirge
Like I'd still want some source of rapid damage to charge my call
I like blade dash for that tbh
unreal tree
Hangover builds up call crazy quick
last dirge
Yeah smouldering of course
Too bad neither of their dashes work for this. Maybe Zeus attack could
Yeah it could have other stuff until you get Smouldering
Then sell your dash
valid dagger
Chiron with hangover really nice for building calls
last dirge
Eh I'd rather do Rama at that point
Would work with Bad Influence better too
Get a common special lol
Dont pom it
cunning urchin
Chiron is better at building god gauge.
ruby igloo
Anyone know a good aspect of hades build?
worn solar
uh aphro attack/special start, grab artemis on second slot, zeus, go for funny duos or something
ruby igloo
I love funny duos xD
worn solar
exploding launcher combined with charged skewer is your best friend
ruby igloo
Art dash attack?
worn solar
smouldering air
worn solar
zeus, poseidon, dio, athena, aphro, dem all work
ruby igloo
@worn solar Just got charged skewer bro xD lets do this!
worn solar
lol you usually want explosive launcher first but half the combo is good already
ruby igloo
well it didn't come xD lol
last dirge
Artemis attack, serrated point, Artemis dash, Chaos, Hunter's Mark
Any hammer works for a 2nd but try for like, quick spin
Massive spin also works well
cold kettle
hey I have a quick question? What are some good builds for either aspect of Guan Yu and aspect of Achilles im tryna beat the game for the first time. (yes im spear main)
worn solar
hey I have a quick question? What are some good builds for either aspect of Guan...
guan yu aint great without leveling it. for achilles most things work tbh. you want to look out for the flurry jab hammer which increases dps a lot. theres flexibility between attack or cast or hybrid builds. since you likely dont have your mirror maxed out go for the attack mainly, zeus is a good option, same with artemis or dio. if you find trippy shot and slicing shot do well for casts, especially if you get their duos ice wine and hunting blades though might be difficult. only casts id avoid are artemis' and aphro's
cold kettle
my guan yu is level 2
cold kettle
guan yu aint great without leveling it. for achilles most things work tbh. you w...
is posiedon good at all
last dirge
On special for guan yu, maybe
worn solar
is posiedon good at all
good dash option
last dirge
Maybe 30-40 idk
I struggled on the 3rd boss like most
- It was a blade dash run.
With cursed slash lmfao
36.17.24
worn solar
gl
cold kettle
I HATE THESIUS AND HIS STUPID DEMETER CALL
screws me over so hard
he was one dash combo away
errant acorn
What hammers do y'all recommend for Lucifer?
worn solar
triple bomb is by far the best hammer. targetting system is good, flash fire generally feels nice to have
errant acorn
Is Eternal Chamber worth it at all? I was having a lot of fun with it but my heat was low
worn solar
its pretty much a meme option
reloading isnt a problem generally if you use the time to special, cast, and reposition so generally its just a dps loss
shell sleet
i wish they changed eternal chamber to just stop ramping after 15 hits instead of stopping all ramping or something
last dirge
Eternal chambler is only good for specific things you are going for
I get that it doesnt ramp
Like what would you even give it
Damage would negate the point. So like range?
Like anything you'd give it, another hammer does
Maybe more rapid damage ticks. Just slightly so.
sterile fiber
tempest strike memes. Infinte wall slam
timid shuttle
power hose strat
pliant dirge
What's a good weapon if I want to try and get a sub 12 run? PB is 12:06 with Nemesis. Was thinking Eris or maybe Achilles myself but not sure how to play those two
The 12:06 run was disgustingly lucky though, I had Double Edge in Tartarus, together with a ~100% dashstrike damage from Chaos (twice)
subtle star
My most successful have been Merciful End Demeter fists and Zeus attack/Tidal dash Eris…there is a speedrunning guide out there written by @weak moat but…I seem to misplaced the link…help?
pliant dirge
With Eris, I assume you want seastorm, absorb the Spec and just chain Zeus' attack between enemies?
