Like too much damage for low heat
#h1-builds-and-combat
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lucid oar
It’s like a pommed epic pressure points
Pretty good especially if you get hunters mark
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Yeah and I had chain shot and arti attack
So it was doing a lot. Plus pp of course
So like 15+7+7.5% crit
valid dagger
Splitting Headache Rama is my favorite build in the game
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I've done it before. Just forgot how strong it is
I got point blank and chain shot
Like hangover takes armor off them one Rama mid attack does 1000+ damage to the entire room
Rama might be the best overall aspect
Just the way it breaks scaling
Flat damage on special, percentage on attack
Get mobility on ruthless reflex and you have such a nice time
bright sandal
I feel like a dumbass, when I first unlocked alt mirror perks I glanced at them and ignored most of them thinking they're trash (still think most of them are) but I've realized I completely looked over Dark Foresight which is so good.
junior heart
Does that mean Zeus?
junior heart
Thanks
I saw someone posting a build with Athena in attack that is supposed to deflect anything. Is it also viable? For fists
unreal tree
I saw someone posting a build with Athena in attack that is supposed to deflect ...
Not really
% attack on the weapon with the lowest base damage in the game bad
polar python
Splitting Headache Rama is my favorite build in the game
Wait, so does Dio attack on Rama apply the shared damage , or actually apply the hangover status? I've never thought about this before. Applying the status would mean you also get extra effects from other boons.
unreal tree
Mike meant to put dio on special
valid dagger
Wait, so does Dio attack on Rama apply the shared damage , or actually apply the...
So the build I was referring to is Dio Special on Rama because you want Artemis on the attack, Dio attack on Rama applies hangover as you’d expect but when you mark enemies with your Special then attack one of them, the hangover status isn’t shared to others
shell sleet
% attack on the weapon with the lowest base damage in the game bad
isnt rail lower base damage than fists
fading panther
shell sleet
@plucky harbor so you run it as a legitimate choice and not a meme pick?
shell sleet
ive never found broken spearpoint to be useful
plucky harbor
it's useful when you have evil butterfly ball spawning in EM4
shell sleet
honestly i can see it being decent against em2 lernie but not anything else
plucky harbor
they drain acorn so fast
also the effect last through the whole biome and not just boss, so that's a plus
shell sleet
also the effect last through the whole biome and not just boss, so that's a plus
true, but its pretty useless against non-multihit enemies anyways
plucky harbor
well for non multi hit you just... dodge 
hearty elbow
ive never found broken spearpoint to be useful
Its best use is in Styx, against poison Satyrs and Snakestonee. It's marginally useful against Dad, much better relatively against Superdad, since he can summon minibosses
unreal tree
Its best use is in Styx, against poison Satyrs and Snakestonee. It's marginally ...
Just dont get Butterflies,sneak, or doomstone
polar python
Sneak in EM4 was okay for me because my whole build was dash strike based and I was never still. I mostly avoided the attacks and just got Dad down fast enough to not worry.
I got wrecked by speedy teleporting archers the next time I tried it though.
proper furnace
Sneaks on rama make me commit cry
cunning urchin
We need monthly challenge
m not satisfied with the quality just yet, might need a couple more days. 
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Try the special more
Then just point blank mid shots
Power shot play requires much more understanding of like enemy speeds and how long you have free
And maximizing it
Dionysus on special can kill weak enemies like casters
It's one of my favorite weapons with like quadruple rush dash
unreal tree
+dashes on rama feels incredible
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You rush around applying special then find a spot to land a nice point blank
Try a low heat special only run too. Any flat damage works.
Zeus, Dio, Ares, to some degree Demeter
In that order of difficulty to gain roughly
For Demeter you need Relentless and ideally Demeter stuff branching up to the Legendary, but also like Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze
onyx drum
Sorry guys if I get attack damage…does it affect dash strike as well?
strange lark
yeah
cunning urchin
It affects Dash-Attacks, yes, but not Dash-Specials.
unreal tree
dash strike bonuses effect dash uppers on fists
onyx drum
So if I get Artemis attack it affects even dash strike?
strange lark
yeah
onyx drum
Does it make any sense for nemesis sword then to get double Artemis on dash and attack?
Sounds op
strange lark
yeah
worn solar
yeah its a good combo, then get aphro on special so you can grt heart rend
sterile fiber
Artemis dash can be tricky in Styx
onyx drum
Why?
sterile fiber
no AoE mouse killing
worn solar
well tbh the dash dash special combo is good enough
sterile fiber
Yeah
unreal tree
The precision required on sword is inhuman
lucid oar
Especially mkb
valid dagger
imagine playing sword
unreal tree
Especially mkb
You tell me lol
First 200 hours on sword-garbage, missing half the dash strikes, over inputting so attacking at the end of combos, cant deal with +dashes
The last 400 hours on sword-
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Oh boy I got a dream build going
Dio special on Lucifer, plus like 3 other Dio boons in Tartarus
Targeting system
And Trippy Shot
And Demeter already too
strange lark
why dio special
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That's what he offered
fading nymph
strange lark
bruh
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So I'm doing a wine ball run
strange lark
close enough
fading nymph
He offers three things not one
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Just wait until I get the legendary
I wanted dio special ok
I would have gone for attack, but this will work
I got stygian but +1 cast
Its all lined up. I take Demeter's keepsake in Asphodel and like Zeus in Elysium unless I get him naturally
Now the lightning bolts should trigger the wine balls
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Worked out really well honestly
Especially with Snow Burst
I got all the Fog duos, just not the actual tier 2 and legendary.
Rapid fog casts blew up the special
Special fed me damage from Bad Influence
Is that boon even good? It sounds good.
I like it with Rama special
As long as you fill the condition easily, cant hurt right
worn solar
its a pretty big global damage buff but the problem is having the enemies to proc it from
decent choice compared to a lot of the other boons dio gives you that are pretty useless most of the time tho
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Fair yeah
Rama special is probably the best use because it's so simple and it doesnt have anti synergy like killing enemies before it applies
I started liking it after a Chaos shield run that had a lot of momentum
turbid needle
bad influence is super good w rama
arctic charm
Hello! How do raging rush and divine flourish interact, does the spear left out deflect? How about the rushing to the spear itself?
Also Battle Rage - if I charge a spear spinning attack and it kills the first enemy it hits, it applies the buff. Then it kills a second and third enemy caught in the AOE, does the buff re-apply per kill?
valid dagger
Hello! How do raging rush and divine flourish interact, does the spear left out ...
When you throw out the Spear you deflect, following the Spear with your raging rush wont deflect if I’m not mistaken
arctic charm
Thanks 😄
dusk coral
hey is the guan yu spear worth it? or is the rama bow better?
and at which level each aspect becomes good/better
ionic crown
guan yu is kinda iffy
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ionic crown
mostly because the hp penalty simply gets lessened each titan blood investment
It’s a good aspect
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Rama special + full demeter
ionic crown
just real hard to deal with at first
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Finally got the legendary with it
ionic crown
Rama does big damage but feels real slow
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Not to mention +30% special speed and pp, and Relentless
dusk coral
Rama special + full demeter
is that a reliable build? i almost never use demeter
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It's incredibly hard to get
But it's very strong
Even bosses die at 10% hp
I even have +30% attack speed
That helps a lot with Rama obviously
You dont need to do powershots
It's just ideal to make room for them
dusk coral
I even have +30% attack speed
how?
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Hermes
dusk coral
ah right
proper furnace
swift strike would be a lot more useful on bows if it affected dash strikes
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Yeah
dusk coral
your initial keepsake is demeter's i suppose?
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Yeah
You still need her to show up a bunch more
I got epic demeter special > common killing freeze > rare arctic blast > winter harvest
Its conditions are tough and she seems a bit different with boons
Build just got even better. +3 dashes on a 3rd Hermes
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Yup
Now I can do that only tbh
Attacks open up space for you to be attacked
It works for a lot of reasons
Demeter has pretty high damage on her attack boons. +114% at epic I believe. I also got like +67% special damage from chaos
Then relentless volley, arctic blast, dying lament, etc, all multiplied by pressure points
proper furnace
rama special base dmg is low tho
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It works
It's better with flat dmg but the demeter boon chain is pretty strong
Just a pain to get
It's also very safe
arctic charm
When you throw out the Spear you deflect, following the Spear with your raging r...
Needs further testing I think I deflected with the rush, but there was too much chaos on the screen to tell if it was the spear flying out or the rush.
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Just harvested Tiny Vermin
bright sandal
Holy wtf. I just shredded Hades second stage in less than 10 seconds. That was the most broken Hades fight I've ever had
royal needle
What build?
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Got a Hades spear that feels a lot like Guan Yu
Arti attack aphro special exploding launcher
Hoping for like quick spin
Already have Heart Rend but no PP or Mark
proper furnace
charged skewer good
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Can I get both? Guess I should if I want to compare the two
proper furnace
yeah you can get exploding + charged
worn solar
you can get exploding and charged yes
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Nice. Hope I'll see it then.
I have +30% attack and special speed anyway thanks to a perfectly placed Eurydice
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Still no pressure points
I'll win anyway but it's definitely going to be a bit slower
Since I am throwing the spears very rapidly
Much faster than Guan Yu. About 250 damage each.
Basically at Flurry speed level
I got Mark at least.
I got Quick Spin as my 2nd hammer. Best offering.
Clears rooms like a charm but I know it will be slower on Hades
I tried to make Heart Rend work on flurry shot zag bow but its tough
I never got heart rend for one
Thats +150% critical damage vs weak
Then aphro attack just has a big multiplier, so you should be able to crit even with flurry for like 700
terse thistle
Tried Poseidon sword… not too bad but I scraped by too much. Needs a bit more testing. I do like the design
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What cast?
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I'm on route for something cursed
ME Talos with Curse of Drowning
I also have everything I need for Fully Loaded somehow
Flurry Cast
Yup. Curse of Agony and Divine dash + special. Eurydice.
Ez
proper furnace
CoD + ME sounds fun
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Lmfao
Guess what I just got
Both from the same Ares boon
I'm gonna take cod since this is what the run is about, then athena for ME
proper furnace
was gonna say poseidon + athena duo
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Already got it
worn solar
then watch as you never get ME offered again
proper furnace
wait how does flurry works with CoD
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Well my reasoning is sound. I've already used Poseidon and Ares' keepsake
You dont have to stay still
They all work together basically
And pop out together
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Yeah. Especially with Crush Shot
I try for RD on attack builds but dont get it
So I just end up with +40% movement speed which feels weird
proper furnace
why only on attack builds?
proper furnace
fair, possible 100% global dmg is crazy tho
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True
proper furnace
or bad news for the non lodging casts
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Yeah
Flurry just makes cod feel a bit less risky
With the long animation
A RD build with COD could work
It travels as you dash
ME is back
And Greater Recall
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Hera Blizzard Shot didnt work
Not even sea storm. Just mirage and 2 extra casts
Which is solid
But I went for zeus when I saw him for the sea storm as a consolation prize
Weird hammers too. Chain and flurry
Honestly I dont mind explosive on Hera
Would have accepted that. Sometimes I want a short range shot to send the cast before an enemy
Twin Shot is probably the best
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Time for Achilles, Stygian Hunting Blades, Flurry Jab
Probably Deadly Strike
I kinda want to try for Mirage so that's the other option right now
Already got +1 cast because of a Chaos gate in the first room
Hopefully get Bad News too
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Neat. Is Hades messier than it seems?
unreal tree
Its basically just common rush delivery+hyper sprint
worn solar
also vicious cycle is a scam
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I've modded a bit in DD
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It's like a tonka kit
worn solar
beo is totally not bugged in the slightest
unreal tree
worn solar
2x mirage shot dmg, 2x hidden trippy flare pom scaling, and your cast size for some reason doing weird crap when you sell attack boons and stuff is obviously intended
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Charged shot is also what makes something like Zeus or Ares on Beo remotely good
worn solar
beowulf is balanced btw
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You can kind of aim it
worn solar
MEwulf 
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Seastormwulf
worn solar
ngl MEwulf is better than i thought itd be
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I want to know something specific about ME
Its damage is doom right
Is that doom effected by DM?
I want to make 10k doom crits and if that works that way it's possible I think
lucid oar
You’d need a ridiculous build
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But it works?
lucid oar
Doom only crits for 2x instead of 3x
worn solar
wuts DM
lucid oar
So you’d need 5k doom procs
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Maybe Rama ME then
lucid oar
If you stack ichors with heroic rd it could be possible
And level 9/10 doom/impending
Relentless volley as well
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Yeah
Special speed too?
I got my 4k with it
But lower level boons and no rd
But I also never had like a good base curse of agony
lucid oar
Not sure if 30% multiplicative is better than 50% additive
Actually, rare+ greater haste would be better than epic special speed if you have epic rush delivery
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Okay
worn solar
is rush delivery multiplicative with impending doom 
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You cant pom DM. Impending scales poorly
lucid oar
I think impending doom is just an additive increase
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Yeah but the duration increase is also important
lucid oar
Also impending poms are great
worn solar
if impending is additive with rd then shouldnt swift flourish be better
you have ff or ps too
lucid oar
Big number better ig
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Yeah. I want to see it a 10k doom crit is possible
lucid oar
And allows you to stack ichors
worn solar
just use a mod to stack all the boons
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I play on switch tho
worn solar
rip
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I will also need 9% movement speed from Bouldy
worn solar
so does heartrend effect doom crit multi or is it stuck at 2x?
worn solar
like that 4k doom was with a crit right? like tryna get a 4k or 3k doom before the crit is applied seems a bit far fetched
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Yeah
I'm not sure about this, but I think DM has a weird interaction with PP
I was seeing it crit a bit more than seemed possible. I had maybe 5% crit
So I think each stack of doom might somehow stack crit too?
Or if one crits the whole hit crits?
Far fetched. I mean like specifically when I stacked the doom up, it would crit
Otherwise not really
hoary slate
It's probably just your sample being small and noticing only the things out of the ordinary.
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Yeah
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Hold up
DM + ID + Curse of Agony on Rama
And Curse of Vengeance
Vs the giant Snakestone
Let it attack you
worn solar
that might be big brain
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That would be the most doom applied possible I think
shell sleet
wait i noticed that sea storm just says "when you knock away foes they are struck by lightning" rather than "your boons with knock away also cause foes to be struck by lightning", so does that mean that sea storm would activate even from base knock away effects like shield attack?
turbid needle
yes
vale imp
yep
subtle star
Sim
shell sleet
@unreal tree i realise that, but most of the difficulty with SD should come from bosses right since you can play really aggressively in normal rooms with it but bosses can kill you way easier
unreal tree
You still have to play defensive in a lot of elysium roons
Especially with benefits package+forced overtime
There are moments on hard labor 5 where you will just die in 3 hits even in a normal room
shell sleet
will bone hourglass increase duration of patty items? i assume no right?
turbid needle
Nope.
brisk carbon
I just unlocked Beowulf and I am SO bad at this aspect....
proper furnace
Remapping cast to a trigger button helps so you can load them mid rush
Also dash strike is faster to start into bull rush
brisk carbon
Ohhhh I never thought of loading them mid-rush! I will definitely try that out and remap the buttons
Thank you!
hearty elbow
In general it's probably safer and more consistent to try to do it before the bull rush is released. Exceptions include if you have Snow Burst
Most of the reason for that is because you may miss out on damage from your Dragon Rush, which needs a cast
terse thistle
We can load casts mid rush?!!!
worn solar
easier to get them off when you just do it while charging it up tho
terse thistle
Guess I’ll do that next beo test run
hearty elbow
It's honestly not that useful haha. You want to do it while charging or right before charging (no matte what, having cast on a separate hand to the rest of your buttons is important for this)
worn solar
for shorter rushes though, doing some of them mid rush lets you fit more in tho ig
proper furnace
Beo on default buttons kinda uncomfy
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I have cast on x
Attack on y, so I can midload
Switch controls are especially funky given it doesnt really fit in your hand
So I swapped everything around this past like week, dash on R reload on ZR
Might move dash but idk. It feels a bit tiring sometimes
While rapidly dashing
Like dash on L? I had a really good Hestia run the other day, but I was getting hit lots still
cunning urchin
Ohhhh I never thought of loading them mid-rush! I will definitely try that out a...
Just have 1-2 Casts loaded at all times, and only load the others mid-rush if you need them to one-shot those enemies. For bosses, unless you can one-shot a phase with all of your Casts right away, only load every Cast but 1, and then after your Dragon Rush, immediately load the 1 remaining Cast for another Dragon Rush.
You can pick up bloodstones mid-rush and immediately load them, too.
brisk carbon
Just have 1-2 Casts loaded at all times, and only load the others mid-rush if yo...
Ohh...
See that's what I've been making a mistake. I load them before rushing, and then load all of them
brisk carbon
Switch controls are especially funky given it doesnt really fit in your hand
I'm on the Switch Lite and yes. Sometimes I just get really bad hand aches because of how cramped the controls are.
cunning urchin
Yeah, you just end up overkilling a lot of enemies, and then you sit around waiting for your bloodstones to drop, some of which didn't even do anything.
Well, you can do some Dash-Attacks or a Charged Shot while you're waiting, but yeah...
brisk carbon
Do you take any cast boons?
I took the blade rift cast and while it was cool, it wasn't very long lasting.
cunning urchin
It's not very good.
cunning urchin
I only take Passion Flare, but Flood Flare and Trippy Flare are also very strong.
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Charged shot lets you shoot them out before enemies at least
cunning urchin
The others are just...worse versions of those.
brisk carbon
Ahhhh gotcha
hearty elbow
See that's what I've been making a mistake. I load them before rushing, and then...
Your goal is to both maximize the number of casts you fire along with maximizing the number of empowered Dragon Rushes you do. You should theoretically be able to Dragon Rush as fast as possible (so dash out of a bull rush and repeat)
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They can still be fun
Yeah. The rapid rush hammer is really good for that style
Charged shot is neat because you don't need to fully charge it
You can point blank your casts like a bow instead
cunning urchin
They can still be fun
Problem is the aspect is very much just "one-shot everything with Dragon Rushes", and the others just perform worse at that.
sterile fiber
The rest are AP copium
hearty elbow
The other problem is playing non-Beo aspects afterwards. "I don't understand I damaged exactly as greedily as possible but I'm getting hit all the time. Is this what it's like?"
cunning urchin
Beowulf is broken. 
brisk carbon
omg. So I just finally remap my Switch key bindings because I was having trouble dashing and using my upper cuts with the Gilgamesh (Malphon) and even at just level 1 it just rips.... I had been hesitant about remapping the keys because I thought about how I must already have muscle memory by now (about 80+ runs in) but it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.
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Nah I did it after several hundred
Its muscle memory but its visual coordination
So your muscle memory is also mental memory
brisk carbon
I'm glad I finally committed to making the change because this is making it so much easier to do dash strikes
lavish remnant
on a spear cast build with achilles aspect
would it be better Demeter or Zeus Cast's?
I love both so im kinda wondering
turbid needle
dem is rly nice if you get crytsal clarity
def more damage potential
zeus is easier to set up maybe I havent tried that one
lavish remnant
yeah cuz if i take it like that
If demeter hits each seconds on base rarity
it'S 200 dps
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You need more to set up demeter's
You want glare, crystal clarity
Then its great
Still trying for a Cold Embrace run
wary perch
The hell
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I've done it before but want to see how it does on Achilles
worn solar
cold embrace hera bow
wary perch
i just beat elysium with cursed slash and flurry slash
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Nice
wary perch
i dont have good boons
worn solar
ngl the dps wasnt horrible
wary perch
i didnt lose a single death defied
worn solar
cursed flurry
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Yeah its strong
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Yeah you have the god combo
wary perch
i feel actually dirty
worn solar
good early game. meh otherwise
wary perch
can it kill the big bad?
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Sure
wary perch
As in 50 runs in
worn solar
if you make sure to dodge
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Try to get some good finishing boons
Yeah
Dont take damage intentionally. Just use it to recover.
wary perch
Im looking for hermes
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You got any Hermes already?
wary perch
i got flurry slash and zeus last run and tried to replicate it
Yeah but its just 10%
i just took cursed because of the prophecy lmao
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Attack speed? It doesnt scale great on flurry stuff anyway
wary perch
Oh
worn solar
try to get some damage resistance boons
wary perch
do you think myrmidon is good on the lance hidden aspect and cursed slash?
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Athena attack on this is great
worn solar
usually i use acorn for dad
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Yeah
wary perch
its a poseidon dyonisus aphro run
Also a bit of ares
kinda bad
i was thinking of standing on lava in asphodel
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Yeah but it can still work
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Try to get positive outlook
It's not a lot but you are already likely to see it as the best option this late
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Okay
wary perch
but its the common one
lavish remnant
Welp i started my build and it'S going pretty well so far, big damage from aspect of achilles with Crystal beam
wary perch
around 70
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You want over 100.
Yeah so pick up the hearts if you can
The issue with hades is his big damage
He'll just get you on the back with a spin
wary perch
I'll try
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Aphro attack does help
Nah he is just easy base if you get his predictable patterns down
turbid needle
the spear has gotten me as far as elysium
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He is slow
wary perch
Boiling blood
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Good time to kill adds
lavish remnant
IT's great once you unlocked demeter
Chill on your Special and Hangover on Attack and Try getting the Flurry hammer on spear
Big time damage
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Yeah. Try that on Achilles
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I guess. Achilles just works for anything.
Even hybrids if you can move fast enough
Like on Talos my COD + ME build was just pain to keep up
lavish remnant
I ahv eno idea about Talos
I've only beaten the game thrice and my first one was the build i mentioned with Dio/Demeter
cunning urchin
Beginner spear build is Tidal Dash and poms on that + a half-decent Attack boon.
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Yeah tidal dash is a good option
lavish remnant
I find tidal dash a little underwhelming...
Like i would put The Deflect dash instead...
worn solar
its beeg damage
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash is ridiculously good.
lavish remnant
Maybe it's jsut me who doesnt know how to use it properly
worn solar
breaking wave just annihilates in styx yeah
cunning urchin
The way you use it properly is you put a lot of poms on it and maybe get a decent t2 boon for it.
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Those little rats, but really anything since you are shoving enemies so hard
worn solar
tidal dash also makes gilgamesh 40 heat easy
cunning urchin
And then be very aggressive with Dash-Strikes.
lavish remnant
GL
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I mean it's the title of the game
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is also great, though.
lavish remnant
Divine Dash is best dash change my mind
worn solar
spoilers are fine in this channel
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I've been trying it on dash strike builds
worn solar
overall, yeah d dash is probably the best. but tidal has quite a few cases when its better
lavish remnant
Yikes... Went for a Artemis boon in my Cast run and i got nothing i needed... I dont know if i should take True shot or keep Crystal beam
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Expose, in two ways
zenith dawn
i like zeus dash just bc it’s so easy to build off of
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I had the same thing
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash is great for Nemesis and Malphon.
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Arte kept tempting me with heroic true shot over flood shot
worn solar
sticking a lot of zeus boons together often turns out quite well
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Aphro is great baseline. Zeus needs help but overall can do a lot more damage, especially to groups
Aphro is best for like crit builds where you use the use damage multiplier it has plus Heart Rend
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is always the best and correct choice.
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200% * 450% on your special will rip
lavish remnant
Wondering if any of the Gun aspects are good ? Eris seems so niche....
lucid oar
All of them
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Eris is pretty diverse
worn solar
niche? how?
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You can even do cast builds
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Nice
lavish remnant
ggs!
cunning urchin
+75% global damage isn't a niche.
worn solar
rail is extremely powerful
rose siren
i only think Lucifer is a lot harder to use
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Lucifer is funny
worn solar
lucifer without triple bomb is 
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Also very diverse but like it always feels weird
My cast build with it was probably the most fun I've had
lavish remnant
Well at the point i am it'S 15% and the fact that you have to hit your special on your own self to gain damage seems like to much frames you can get hit while doing the animation
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Then yeah
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And you can dash in the animation
rose siren
it seems Lucifer special always miss timing on boss 😦
worn solar
also tidal dash
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Just don't take hazard bomb unless you want a meme time
cunning urchin
Lucifer is great, it's just that Eris and Hestia are so incredibly powerful.
lavish remnant
Dont ahve lucifer yet, sadly
cunning urchin
it seems Lucifer special always miss timing on boss 😦
You mean you miss the timing.
lucid oar
Zag rail is certainly a hammer aspect
lavish remnant
kinda hard with 0 blood
worn solar
rail in general just synergizes really well with zeus and has really great damage potential from hammers along with being ranged
cunning urchin
Zag Rail with no hammers is still a better aspect than sword. 
worn solar
you dont even need titanblood to make rail good tbh
lavish remnant
Well wanna know what'S worse than Swords aspects? Gauntlets :I
last dirge
Fists are okay just risky
cunning urchin
Famous last words.
worn solar
for some reason my first sub 12 run was with a lvl 0 zag rail lol
cunning urchin
See me in the courtyard.
last dirge
Was the reason spread shot and or zeus
cunning urchin
Reason was probably well-placed empty rooms.
lavish remnant
And why isnt there any Vc's in this discord... It's kinda sad
worn solar
lavish remnant
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/894824476632580114/H...
Pog
lucid oar
Thunder dash lol
last dirge
Explosive fire is not a meme?
lavish remnant
11 minutes?
lucid oar
Explosive fire is a downgrade here
lavish remnant
Sheesh i tought i was fast to finisha run in 25...
last dirge
Yeah
worn solar
thats true
cunning urchin
Yeah... that build looks like free rooms got you the sub 12. 
Well, and just overall practice.
worn solar
obviously it was all 100% skill
last dirge
What's the best way to get sub 12? Just eris and doing some tricks?
cunning urchin
I think down to at least sub 10 is way more skill than RNG anyway.
Practice is the best way to get sub 12.
worn solar
beo, hera, achilles are great too
lavish remnant
Beowulf is god tier
lucid oar
My first sub 10 had level 1 dash and common swift strike
worn solar
though achilles kinda flurry jab dependent
lucid oar
Free rooms go a long way
worn solar
if i could get some free rooms in elysium id have a sub 8 already
cunning urchin
All of the Infernal Arms are god tier. That's... kind of the point.
last dirge
I'd like to get it once
worn solar
eris probably is the easiest for consistent sub 12s, just doesnt rely on much
lucid oar
Yeah
cunning urchin
Doesn't rely much on skill, either.
rose siren
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/894824476632580114/H...
lol the chaos egg O_O
rose siren
if u could do it with chaos egg
last dirge
What's a fun shield build to do
rose siren
u might as well stick with skull for more dmg lol
last dirge
I kinda want to play zeus
worn solar
well then just stack zeus boons
last dirge
Or like sea storm shield
worn solar
if youre talking about zeus aspect
worn solar
just get all the zeus https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/902108279864442880/Hades_10_25_2021_1_13_23_AM.png
last dirge
I'm doing sea storm special
worn solar
like all the zeus
worn solar
empowering makes attack do more damage when special hits right
last dirge
Yeah
worn solar
its mostly good with charged shot
worn solar
otherwise your attack dps isnt that high tbh
last dirge
Just take sudden rush then?
worn solar
ig. sudden is always nice to have
last dirge
Yeah
It's that or minotaur lmao
I guess minotaur would be most visible on zeus
I would want both of them though
If I get it elysium hammer I'll take it. Damn hammer starts.
wary perch
So delta chamber has no good aspects?
cunning urchin
Sudden Rush is also a lot better than Minotaur Rush.
worn solar
delta is great for rail
last dirge
Thats why I didnt mention it as a 1st option
worn solar
you keep dash iframes when dash attacking with delta
so it gives a lot of safety especially at higher heats
cunning urchin
It gives the same safety at higher heats that it does at lower heats.
worn solar
at lower heats everything is already dead smh
last dirge
This seed is better for Beowulf
Poseidon keepsake got me epic crush shot and then artemis
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Sea storm
worn solar
tidal dash
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And dash
worn solar
seastorm is more of a meme tbh
wary perch
wait so you go both?
worn solar
zeus attack, poseidon dash
wary perch
oh
last dirge
Let's go Beowulf em4 for fun
wary perch
Pierce shot or recochet for rail?
if youre running zeus attack
which one gives me more lightning
last dirge
Charged shot + epic crush flare + epic snow burst lets go
Athena for parting shot?
Wait crush flare doesnt count lmfao
last dirge
Eh it went well
Nothing to post though
Rare rush delivery and epic greater haste
Got the Beowulf specific hammer
Some more damage reduction so em4 was a breeze
proven osprey
both are good options
deadly flourish is faster but better with like, chaos, relentless volley etc
it has scaling
while dio will make you clear alone by pomming it, but it's slower
worn solar
concentrated volley
proven osprey
yeah I meant concentrated
relentless is good too but concentrated is more boss damage
junior heart
Is it even worth investing in Guan yu? Seems like a lot off titan blood and in the end a pretty risky build
turbid needle
its a cool weapon up to you
ur gonna get them all eventually anyway
also gy builds tend to be very safe actually
ionic crown
hammers for guan yu are charged skewer, charged skewer, and charged skewer
last dirge
Or spin hammers. Or serrated point.
terse thistle
Doom is such a great status effect, as are the wonderful tidal dash. It’s just so chefs kiss.
last dirge
Doom is definitely interesting
Because its delayed damage but often you want it delayed more
Not even just for the damage buff. PS and even doom stacking too
I want to try Curse of Longing on Rama
And see how big of dooms that gets
The doom gets weaker
But if you keep spamming special
With DM and ID, maybe you can outpace it
worn solar
curse of longing doesnt do anything special if youre reproccing doom
last dirge
I mean with DM
worn solar
also dont think it takes dire misfortune into account
last dirge
Oh
worn solar
just the base damage
last dirge
That's unfortunate
worn solar
i only did ce hera
worn solar
seems a bit awkward having to spend half your time just setting up the beams
last dirge
Glare would slow down enemies a bit
Yeah
I should just do a Talos Crush Shot run
Thats probably the best still
worn solar
hera is nice for ce since it sticks the crystals right on enemies and theyll naturally stay in the path while moving towards you while having the fast loading
but its still cold embrace
last dirge
I feel like Talos would be better with something extra
Since its bonus dmg is so low
Maybe, when you Cast, automatically target a Magnetized enemy?
So an enemy is magnetized behind you
Crush shot in front of you. It automatically spins you around to target them
With casts like True Shot it'd be greatly increased homing
Maybe beams track twice as fast, not as good as Clarity but an alternative.
And then it just doesnt interact with tier 2s
Those are their own thing
Like Duo tier 2 casts. CoD, Clarity, CE, Hunting Blades, Freezing Vortex
I think this would achieve what they wanted to do with Talos
It's just too slow
whole drum
almost lost a 24 win streak to a frickin 5-room satyr sack. thankfully rama bow is dummy thicc
last dirge
Just got Exclusive Access and Relentless Volley + natural Zeus on a Rama sea storm run
On special 
bronze marten
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Basically plays like that
You dash around shooting lightning and pushing enemies absurdly fast
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Natural Zeus while trying for Lightning Phalanyx Poseidon
Lightning flourish?
Well that was the epic so sure
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And ME on Eris from the Fountain Room in Tartarus
shell sleet
anyone have an interesting achilles build?
valid dagger
A build for fists which is not zap?
Merciful End
valid dagger
anyone have an interesting achilles build?
Trippy Shot with Ice Wine, Crystal Beam with Crystal Clarity, Lightning Phalanx, Hunting Blades…
shell sleet
Trippy Shot with Ice Wine, Crystal Beam with Crystal Clarity, Lightning Phalanx,...
ill try ice wine then
ive tried all the others already (though for lightning phalanx i never got the actual duo boon)
valid dagger
Getting the Duo is a big boost
Good for Room clearing and for the Heroes fight
Another build is just to get a lot of Zeus and have an Aphro core boon like the Special and just go for Smoldering Air with Zeus Call
Static Discharge, Billowing Strength, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt…
beeg dmg
shell sleet
Another build is just to get a lot of Zeus and have an Aphro core boon like the ...
nah i dont want smouldering air
you can just slap that onto any weapon and its good
its too generic
junior heart
Merciful End
Athena attack Ares special?
valid dagger
Other way around
junior heart
Oh right makes sense
valid dagger
Ares attack - Athena Special - Merciful End - Divine Dash
In that order
Then you just want Impending doom and poms
shell sleet
Trippy Shot with Ice Wine, Crystal Beam with Crystal Clarity, Lightning Phalanx,...
for an ice wine build would divine dash or splash dash be better?
valid dagger
for an ice wine build would divine dash or splash dash be better?
Better comes back to you really, both are viable options, one of them is all about dmg and offense and the other is about safety, the build and the aspect itself don’t lack aoe so both are fine, it also depends on how much heat you’re doing since melee aspects can be risky
If you’re doing anything above 40 Heat I’d probably say Divine Dash
Oh also I forgot to mention, if you have Artemis in your pool then Poseidon’s dash is the better option because of Mirage Shot
There is a lot of possibilities
terse thistle
Oh bless mirage shot
shell sleet
oops i totally forgot about mirage shot and skipped artemis in that run
also why does strong drink not give a damage bonus at lc4
thats pretty weird
valid dagger
It should
shell sleet
It should
no but in the boon screen it says damage bonus 3% -> 0% (lasting consequences 4)
valid dagger
Oh I thought it gives the dmg bonus anyway
tame zodiac
valid dagger
Your pfp would probably be my reaction
unreal tree
no but in the boon screen it says damage bonus 3% -> 0% (lasting consequences 4)
Wat
Im like 97% sure it does apply it
Just doesnt apply the heal
Thats whats going down to 0%
mild raft
also why does strong drink not give a damage bonus at lc4
You have to actually drink from the fountain to get the damage bonus
shell sleet
You have to actually drink from the fountain to get the damage bonus
im aware, but on the boon selection screen from dionysus it showed the damage bonus as 0% due to lc4
i could be wrong but i think thats what it said
mild raft
It’s 0% cause you haven’t drank from a fountain yet
The lc4 part only applies to the healing from the fountain
shell sleet
no but without lc on it usually shows 3%/4%/5% on that screen
valid dagger
Oh
When you press B it shows accumulated dmg bonus
Like if you look at it in your boon menu
But when you pick it up it shows 3%/4%/5%
0% means you havent drank from any fountains
It can get up to like 30% which would mean 6 fountains
And so on
timid shuttle
@junior heart
Let's move it in here.
Hera is pretty good.
Only trouble I feel is that you need to pick those darn crystals up a lot.
Rama is very good.
Only sad thing is that it is pretty slow on the attack.
junior heart
I replied to the wrong text lol. But yeah I get you
timid shuttle
Triple shot on rama can be a lot of fun. With the right positioning, you can clear a room with a special and two shots.
Just... don't go with explosive arrow on Rama. I tried it once and it was so slow I couldn't get the time to draw the arrow before I was hit.
junior heart
Triple shot on rama can be a lot of fun. With the right positioning, you can cle...
Noice. How would be a Rama build? I'm afraid I would get stuck on bosses
timid shuttle
Not really.
Rama's special afflicts enemies with a status effect that inflicts part of your attack's damage on top of the attack.
So the attack stacks with itself.
Once you have used the special on them.
timid shuttle
Noice. How would be a Rama build? I'm afraid I would get stuck on bosses
How would you build a slow weapon with lot of damage?
Aphro is good for how massive a bonus you get on attack damage.
Artemis offers a chance at massive damage spikes.
junior heart
Oh oh so it's the opposite of Chiron. You use special to tag enemies and attack to deal heavy damage
timid shuttle
Ares... could work, but you get the most bang for your buck on Rama with ways to up damage.
timid shuttle
Oh oh so it's the opposite of Chiron. You use special to tag enemies and attack ...
Precisely.
And your special is also good for stacking dionysus hangover, zapping with zeus or something like that. Low damage, but fast and with multiple projectiles going in a straight line. And the arrows jump to nearby enemies, once they hit the first guy.
I'd always want to go for more speed on the attack and the special.
Hermes boon here.
junior heart
Cool! That's very insightful. I'll try that
timid shuttle
Np.
valid dagger
Hermes Attack speed on Rama doesnt actually do anything since you're supposed to be dash striking
The Attack speed doesnt make your attack charge faster if you're dash striking
hearty elbow
Lol, at epic it's actually a pretty big quality of life increase in some hectic situations... if you remember it's there
timid shuttle
Lol, at epic it's actually a pretty big quality of life increase in some hectic ...
speed is just always better to have
If I see the 100% speed boost and sturdy after a dash boon, I take it.
valid dagger
Well dash-striking charges your attack faster than not dash striking
And it's quite noticeable
junior heart
So you dash strike - charge - shoot charged attack?
proper furnace
Dash then charge
hearty elbow
Bold of you to assume ill pick it up in the first place
I mean, surely I can't be the only one who's seen Epic Swift Strike, Quick Reload, common Greater Haste or something lol
proper furnace
Oh speaking of bow dash strike, does dashing out of a normal attack count as a dash strike? (For hunter's dash/chaos dash strike dmg)
hearty elbow
Wow that's a great question. My gut instinct is no (and I can't at the moment but this could be easily tested in the courtyard)
timid shuttle
It might not count as such, but you can still cancel out of an attack and get it off, rather than have it cancelled.
Right?
valid dagger
Oh speaking of bow dash strike, does dashing out of a normal attack count as a d...
I'm pretty sure it doesn't
unreal tree
Maybe it does on flurry shot
junior heart
Fun Lucifer build?
unreal tree
Fun Lucifer build?
Supersoaker
Pos attack with any zeus core for seastorm, maybe a nice special for damage
junior heart
Ok yeah seastorm on the balls sounds like fun lol
Wait, does the attack count as one or multiple attacks? Does it make sense to have Zeus in attack and pos special?
shell sleet
is zag fists + lambent plume as funny in practice as it sounds?
also on the topic of plume, i wish both it and than butterfly should get a double proc if you clear the condition for a bossfight
cunning urchin
You can get up to 100% Dodge chance, yeah.
patent frost
can you only get 1 duo boon?
lucid oar
No
terse thistle
can you only get 1 duo boon?
As long as you have the requirement you can have as many as the 4 god combos you got that activates it.
terse thistle
is zag fists + lambent plume as funny in practice as it sounds?
I did a test run… let’s just say zag fist is my fav of the punchy punchy
last dirge
Rama is easier than it seems
Get flat damage on special like Dio or Zeus
Get heavy percent damage on attack like aphro or artemis
Hopefully you get some good boons past that but you dont really need it
And more mobility makes Rama busted
You dont need to use your attack a lot
You are purposefully tagging enemies to get around the slowness
Then just get a power dash strike out or whatever you need to instantly kill a crowd of enemies
last dirge
Maybe you'll need two. You also need to pick an enemy to attack
terse thistle
Maybe I should try out Rama again
last dirge
Usually I just go for someone safe looking
Like maybe alone and slow
Yeah try it
Try a splitting headache build
terse thistle
Wonder if doom is a good option…. Has synergy with aphro
last dirge
Doom is solid on special
Curse of longing wont do much though
Besides privileged status
terse thistle
Sure saved me before
last dirge
Yeah. It can help
worn solar
id just use zeus special
last dirge
You just arent applying much weak
worn solar
preferrably
last dirge
Maybe if you get passion dash
worn solar
since zeus = smouldering air = win
cunning urchin
People often greatly exaggerate the difficulty of Rama. It's a very powerful aspect, but also has a unique Power Shot timing, so that can take some practice to get used to. But it's not uniquely difficult.
last dirge
And like Athena call?
terse thistle
Athena call always felt like a “get out of jail” free card
last dirge
Since your dps should be higher than most calls
worn solar
well your call can just be supplemental damage
last dirge
Yeah
worn solar
zeus and dio are great for this
last dirge
Like zeus or whatever
worn solar
aphro call is also great for safety like athenas
last dirge
Athena is safe and let's you get out power shots on dad
terse thistle
One shot kiss booom
worn solar
though uh dont stand next to dad when he gets uncharmed
last dirge
Yeah
cunning urchin
Curse of Longing mainly does good damage on bosses on Rama.
worn solar
maybe okay damage
last dirge
Still feel like that would only work really with like passion dash and doom special
worn solar
not really getting much more than 300 damage from a col doom. though ig impending might increase it a tiny bit
if you aphro attack after applying doom does that doom get affected by col
last dirge
Yeah. I wondered about this the other day.
cunning urchin
Yes.
There can be a lot of downtime in boss fights where you're not attacking or using your Special, and Curse of Longing will keep doing damage in that time.
Still think Curse of Longing should have the +40 damage and Merciful End shouldn't have it, but it is what it is.
last dirge
Not learning all weapons
fading nymph
Just waiting for it to be aotw
last dirge
ME Eris with Doom Cluster Bombs works pretty well
strange lark
Why
fading nymph
Stop
last dirge
I see how you could reverse the two but it worked fine with divine strike
fading nymph
Please
strange lark
No
fading nymph
Your hurting my soul