Lol, honestly, when you're new to the game, Divine Dash by itself is better than most Gods as a whole
#h1-builds-and-combat
hearty elbow
terse thistle
Probably not a big deal, but apparently sunken treasure can drop diamonds…
hearty elbow
If only Sunken Treasure could drop itself [from your boon table]
worn solar
like actual diamonds?
proper furnace
yes
valid dagger
slender halo
what are some other builds I can run on eris other than zeus attack?
slender halo
what boons should I aim to get with that?
slender halo
What are the normal hangover duos?
hearty elbow
All 3 of them. Low Tolerance, Curse of Nausea, Splitting Headache
proper furnace
curse of nausea/low tolerance/splitting headache (ares-dio/aphro-dio/artemis-dio)
slender halo
Ty
hearty elbow
Any of them work here
proper furnace
blackout (dio legendary) is fun too
slender halo
I should probably start with dio keepsake then right
proper furnace
seeding a dio start with pom blossom keepsake also works
but yeah dio start normally
hearty elbow
Can't stress enough that poms should be above all else. The scaling is 2->1->1.... which seems really minor but keep in mind that +1 from 6 is still almost a 20% base damage increase.
hearty elbow
Any of the 3 (Aphro and Artemis in particular) slot very cleanly into the special slot
Curse of Vengeance is the other possilbe pre-req for Curse of Nausea, and doesn't occupy the slot
cunning urchin
Tbh pretty much any Hangover build should always go for Black Out, too.
Bad Influence and Numbing Sensation are also really good, though.
cunning urchin
The other thing that's really important for Hangover builds is you only want one source of Hangover.
worn solar
i should try merciful end eris 
cunning urchin
Because they overwrite each other with the most recent one, so you get no benefits from having multiple sources of Hangover.
worn solar
when dio call with drunken strike and you replace all the call hangover stacks with weak attack ones 
cunning urchin
And Peer Pressure is just bad, so just... don't ever take it. I wish there was some use for that boon, but...
hearty elbow
Full anarchy is peer pressure + dio's Aid
worn solar
at least the hangover application is slow as heck from it
cunning urchin
Well, there was a blind player who liked Peer Pressure, I think. It makes sense for a playstyle that takes a lot longer where you try to just let your DOT handle things, I guess? I dunno, I haven't seen their runs.
hearty elbow
Nah, if it was very fast it would have a use for slow aspects
As it stands, I think there was a bug that put like a single massive hangover stack on enemies if they don't have any hangover on them and peer pressure gives them one?
I don't know if it was fixed, and I never tried it myself
cunning urchin
Something like that, I saw the post about it and then just forgot about it again because it still doesn't matter for anything lol.
Well, not about it. I remember clearly there was something like that, I just don't care enough to remember the details.
cunning urchin
Exactly.
proper furnace
checked the speedrun server and got "if all the hangover stacks on something are from peer pressure, it applies the 8x multiplier for damage coming from sources other than zag" but yeah it means taking peer pressure in first place
also against bosses it was like x2 only anyways
unreal tree
Hades the video game moment
proper furnace
at least is not ares legendary on slicing flare
cunning urchin
It's one of those things that's like when newcomers ask if somebody knows how many frames this or that is. Like... I know my frame data inside-out in Street Fighter V, but I don't care about any of that in Hades, that has like no relevance to anything. 
Peer Pressure information is just like that.
unreal tree
"Vicious cycle is a SCAM. From testing earlier I believe the actual damage is:
For most blade rifts, it adds only 1 extra damage per hit (cast, dash)
It does buff call properly (lol)
It does not work at all with slicing flare"
proper furnace
Slicing flare is a SCAM
was lurking when that was posted lmao, why it has to be a scam
cunning urchin
"Vicious cycle is a SCAM. From testing earlier I believe the actual damage is:
F...
This one is also kinda like that tbh. You'll still take it for Cast and Dash, you still won't ever take his Call or Slicing Flare anyway, so... that has no relevance really for decision making.
unreal tree
I just love how beowulf just doesnt work
At all
Nothing works with beowulf
Beowulf ignores every single piece of code and mechanic
slender halo
Should I go triple bomb, explosive fire or delta chamber for dio build?
Guess I'll try delta since no reloading
worn solar
Guess I'll try delta since no reloading
delta also lets you keep i frames while dash striking which is really cool
sterile fiber
Forgot who asked whether Chaos' health curse refills your lost HP when it expires, but the answer is yes
ebon jacinth
any recommended builds for gilgamesh?
worn solar
any recommended builds for gilgamesh?
tidal dash and just ignore everything but dash and call
or just merciful end
ebon jacinth
oh k thx
turbid needle
Does anyone have any tips for using the Spear in the Hades Bossfight? I get him down to the second healthbar after losing at least 1-2 of my Death Defiance, then get murked (even with Skelly's Tooth)
proper furnace
What spear?
bitter sandal
what boons should i pick for Arthur? its the last hidden aspect i get the reward for reaching hades
boreal prism
arthur attack hits hard
valid dagger
Aphro / Artemis on the attack
Look for Double Edge, Shadow Slash, Breaching slash
It’s not really a boon reliant aspect
bitter sandal
okey. thanks
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, and get Smoldering Air.
bitter sandal
is that the standards of bad weapon aspects ? 😄
valid dagger
is that the standards of bad weapon aspects ? 😄
Not really, it’s just a very strong combo so it gets recommended for every aspect almost
cunning urchin
Excalibur is not a bad aspect.
Heartbreak Strike applies Weak, which is especially strong if you also have Hallowed Ground.
Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air is just a natural combo for that, especially since the aspect normally builds god gauge very slowly.
hearty elbow
I think its naturally poor god gauge speed is probably one of the things that holds it back at really high heat? It's such a good slot to not have access to. I think the aspect (in the hands of someone very experienced with it) is perfectly capable of doing 50+, but yeah once you can't reasonably get Smoldering Air anymore you lose a lot
Hestia has a similar issue but doesn't really need the iframes or survivability
unreal tree
Chiron's call buildup
hearty elbow
LOL. I made the executive decision one Chiron run to take Dio's Aid with Drunken Flourish, anticipating having to sell one anyway.
Chose not to sell it, and didn't win that run, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected it to be
It wasn't good
But man the call buildup speed
bitter sandal
does well of charon effects stack?
hearty elbow
yeah
bitter sandal
whats the best companion?..i have mostly using shady but i guess battie is better?
lucid oar
Battie is the one most commonly used in speedruns
hearty elbow
Most of the companions have something redeeming about them
Even Rib lol. Rib is so sick for Lernie phase 2
Also before you get Hard Labor, Forced Overtime, Benefits Package, Jury Summons nonsense Rib is actually a good tank.
With all aforementioned nonsense Rib kind of just instadies
bitter sandal
ahh okey.thanks
round helm
Gotta love 60% dodge chance with 50% damage reduction and 300 health
raven swift
wondering what i should be using in tems of keepsakes and boons for the aspect of hades
hearty elbow
Crit works well with the cute additive bonuses you get. You can either do serrated point, or exploding + charged skewer
turbid needle
yeah artemis only totally works
round helm
artic blast chiron or rama viable?
lucid oar
Chiron more so than Rama
cunning urchin
You're honestly better off just picking up whichever has the highest rarity out of Arctic Blast, Killing Freeze, and Ravenous Will with her because her boons only really scale with rarity. So the best way to get all or most of them at high rarity is to pick the highest rarity you see at the time.
Rare Crop can also kind of help with that.
That's for Chiron. Arctic Blast doesn't do that much on Rama, but it's so easy to Chill every enemy with Rama that you would probably just wanna prioritize Killing Freeze.
Well, they scale with rarity and global damage. You can't pom Killing Freeze, Arctic Blast, nor Ravenous Will.
That also means you'll want Privileged Status.
But what I would argue on Chiron is that you'd want to start with Heartbreak Strike to give you a powerful Attack and then pick up a high rarity Frost Flourish if you happen to see it, because that also allows you to go for Drunken Flourish etc.
And on Rama, you'd also want to start with a powerful Attack and then pick up any decent Special boon that you come across.
That said, Chiron and Rama are both very versatile aspects. You can make a lot of things work very well on them.
shell sleet
would zeus do anything on trippy flare beowulf build?
shell sleet
what does that one do again?
valid dagger
shell sleet
man seeing mirage shot trippy flare oneshot lernie phases with 2 casts never gets old
shell sleet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/898961386200244225/Had...
oh yeah that would be really good
ill see if i can luck into that one
valid dagger
The call is good in general, its even better if you have Aphro in your pool to unlock Smoldering Air
polar python
Question: How is maim damage calculated? Maxed out Gilgamesh does 400 base and with an epic Artemis boon (special damage +95%) it does 420. What's going on?
This is on shielded skulls, so first hit drops shield and everything after is maim
Always 420 level 1 boon
420 level 2 as well
So where is the extra 20 coming from?
Oh wait, 5% per God
Nevermind
Just got Aphrodite and it went to 440
So does anything boost main damage itself (other than things like pressure points, which I assume will crit it periodically)
proven arrow
whats the rule of thumb when to go for the 40% damage if 2 curses on enemy or its counterpart?
proven osprey
Family favorite is always better unless for specific builds
cunning urchin
whats the rule of thumb when to go for the 40% damage if 2 curses on enemy or it...
Rule of thumb is: if your build is focused on two tier 1 boons that both apply status curses (without requiring a tier 2), take Privileged Status; any other time, take Family Favorite.
mental lake
What's generally the build for the bow? I cannot for the life of me get that weapon to work at all.
valid dagger
What's generally the build for the bow? I cannot for the life of me get that wea...
What Aspect
cunning urchin
Just get Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike and some decent Attack hammers, and take all the Chaos Gates for Strike and Lunge boons.
And just get into a rhythm for Dash-Strike Power Shots.
mental lake
Attack hammer?
cunning urchin
Yes, Daedalus upgrades for your Attack.
Twin Shot, Triple Shot, Perfect Shot, etc.
Twin and Triple are the best.
shell sleet
is triple good even on zag bow?
proven osprey
Yeah
cunning urchin
It's very good, yeah.
worn solar
triple means triple damage
proven osprey
Twin is comfy
cunning urchin
It's actually really hard to say which one is better between Twin Shot and Triple Shot at a high level. They're both amazing, and other factors in your run are gonna outweigh the little difference Twin vs Triple makes.
proven osprey
Triple has more damage potential
But you can't always shotgun with triple so in some rooms twin will probably outdamage triple
For bosses I think triple is ahead
shell sleet
isn't twin still better for em3 heroes?
unreal tree
Imo yes
proven osprey
Pretty easy to point blank Asterius
unreal tree
Especially when chasing theseus
worn solar
funny
shell sleet
Pretty easy to point blank Asterius
the problem is funny chariot man
proven osprey
Yeah
worn solar
he sits still after taking a lap
proven osprey
I'd just rupture him tbh
cunning urchin
There are a lot of other factors that play into which one is better for EM3.
shell sleet
how long does rupture even last?
proven arrow
https://imgur.com/a/N0FucPT
how...? which aspect is it?
cunning urchin
3 seconds.
worn solar
how...? which aspect is it?
zag bow
cunning urchin
Triple Flurry is really powerful.
round helm
Deadly strike + twin shot + chain shot is pretty good on the hidden aspect
cunning urchin
m not a fan of Chain Shot on Rama. I'll cope with it, though.
worn solar
how...? which aspect is it?
round helm
I've done a few runs with it and it clears rooms extremely well
Doesn't add much for individual bosses though
round helm
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/892911382561959966/H...
There was some mad luck involved to get all of this lol
cunning urchin
Looks like a pretty standard Zag Bow build to me.
Oh, no Dark Foresight. Yeah, maybe some luck.
But once you have experience making powerful builds, it's not too difficult to get something like that.
round helm
Dunno, 3 duo boons for 4 different gods altogether is lucky if you ask me
no legacy or foresight either
+3 Chaos boons
worn solar
probably just nectar and yarn things
round helm
Nectar only lasts for 3 boons and yarn is 70 gold for 1 boon though, and considering the amount of boons and the cost for a boon from Charon then taking into account having to get 2 daedaluses and 3 chaos boons...
Idk dude, looks hella lucky too me
valid dagger
zoos
queen grove
Nice
worn solar
rip current poseidon ig
queen grove
Mines either full charge Artemis because the damage is insane or Poseidon
cunning urchin
Aphrodite's Aid is the objectively bestest Call. 
round helm
Poseidon Ares or Athena
shell sleet
zeus
spice brook
Aphrodite's Aid is the objectively bestest Call. <:courte5AphroHeart:85156834734...
until the homing attack from the call hits the wrong person
aphrodite i love you but holy crap
cunning urchin
You're the one aiming.
Or not.
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.
What WR? High heat? Speedrun?
The current IGT and RTA WRs for Stygius.
unreal tree
fun fact the record for IGT was previously tied between me and tounis for Nemesis sword, both of us had a 6:26:98 IGT run
spin bad
focus on special damage
charged skewer is a great hammer
cunning urchin
But tounis had a much better RTA in the same run.
I wrote a Guan Yu guide here that might help. #h1-discussion message
worn solar
using the spin is good with practice but otherwise its pretty unsafe
unreal tree
But tounis had a much better RTA in the same run. <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
RTA while running IGT
worn solar
tiebreaker
unreal tree
god dammit
if you spin successfully you might regain about 20% of the health you lost while charging up that spin
cunning urchin
RTA while running IGT
Sure. Get both WRs in one run. It's faster than doing two runs, and isn't that what speedruns are all about.
unreal tree
thats fair
worn solar
yeah thats usually good to do
unreal tree
Sure. Get both WRs in one run. It's faster than doing two runs, and isn't that w...
its not like I literally had a thanatos and survive rooms that I had no control over
unreal tree
over survive I guess
but then I wouldnt have gotten the IGT one
thats literally just mort
cunning urchin
That's what he meant, yes.
Dash through him.
Probably? I don't really think too much about it when I fight him, I don't look for anything specific, not consciously, anyway.
tawny forum
hey guys, as far as zagreus’ sword goes, for daedalus hammer, would you guys pick piercing wave or cruel thrust?
cunning urchin
Piercing Wave.
strange lark
piercing
tawny forum
alright thank you
cunning urchin
But m not a guy, so my opinion doesn't count. 
cunning urchin
Ask anybody to draw three guys, they'll draw three men.
languid forum
what about for funsies
cunning urchin
You can do whatever you like when you make your own rules.
languid forum
what about a no aphro run
we'll give the goddess a break from giving us boons for once
cunning urchin
strange lark
😔
turbid needle
what happens when you get rocket bombs and cluster bombs? somehow never had this combo yet
strange lark
you shoot five rockets
turbid needle
does it just shoot out five rockets in a spread?
languid forum
u have a good time
strange lark
in a spread yeah
cunning urchin
5 rockets, and the -30% damage from Cluster Bomb doesn't apply to your rockets.
cunning urchin
So you'll have 5 rockets with their full 80 base damage each.
worn solar
when ap1 removes impending doom twice in a row
turbid needle
why’s it full doesn’t cluster bomb take off 15 percent per rocket
worn solar
game funny
turbid needle
oh i didn’t see what you said
that’s rididculous lmao
i just fully beat the game, like i have absolutely nothing left to buy or do besides upgrade my rank some more
so i guess i’ll just start messing with builds
strange lark
do high heat
turbid needle
is there like a list of cool ones to try or something
i did 32 and i have no desire to go higher lmfao
cunning urchin
30%, not 15%. And the reason you get the full 80 base damage is that the game reduces the Special base damage by 30% first but then in the next step just sets the base damage to 80 and overwrites that entirely.
turbid needle
what if you get it the opposite way then
cunning urchin
It'll always behave that way.
strange lark
the same thing happens
turbid needle
50 heat runs should be 64 heat runs smh, cowards
is 64 considered exponentially harder than 50 or something
strange lark
yeah
turbid needle
what’s disabled during a typical 50 run anyway
strange lark
64 is basically impossible
valid dagger
It can vary with the aspect you choose
cunning urchin
Who're you calling cowards here? Careful.
valid dagger
This was my Beo 50 pact
EM4 can save you from AP2 and CP2
DC2 is aspect dependent
turbid needle
i know beowulf builds can be completely broken but i just don’t like playing it enough to try i think
it’s clunky af and i don’t really like using the shield at all
strange lark
git gud
valid dagger
It takes some getting used to
turbid needle
chiron bow is my fav to play tho really satisfying to see like 2k damage come out one after the other
cunning urchin
You can set your roles in #bot-commands, by the way.
turbid needle
ty
gilgamesh is fun but demeter is too good
i really liked using magnetic cutter for a while but it’s not that viable for higher heat
strange lark
it is tho
turbid needle
is there a list of builds somewhere lol i’d like to see that
cunning urchin
Well, you mainly cancel your Special immediately into a Dash for Talos if you want to optimize the aspect.
valid dagger
Idk whats considered high heat
cunning urchin
So you only apply the debuff + get the pull. If you do it well, it will be almost indistinguishable from just a dash. You'll just see a little purple at the start of the dash from your Special.
turbid needle
i just meant like 15ish, i know you big boys go much higher and all
cunning urchin
boys
strange lark
bruh
cunning urchin
valid dagger
Lol
turbid needle
alright i’ve had this argument before, is boys not recognized to mean a group of people / friends in general?
fallow robin
32 is probably the starting point for “high heat” but most of the high heat players here have around 40 minimum on over half the arms
turbid needle
i did 32 for the statue and honestly didn’t really find it that fun basically having to pray you get all the correct items
oh sorry
you’re just … screwed. there we go
cunning urchin
alright i’ve had this argument before, is boys not recognized to mean a group of...
No? What's next? Men is gender neutral?
valid dagger
The rng really gets ugly at 45+
turbid needle
of course not, that’s ridiculous, but no one has ever pointed it out to me in a defensive way before and i think it’s sorta silly. but also just simply correcting me if you didn’t like it would be fine
cunning urchin
Luck can carry you through a 32 Heat run, but if you lose, it's not because of bad luck.
proper furnace
My 32 heat rama of the other day was fine without an attack unyil elysium mid boss, didnt need extreme luck
valid dagger
Before that it's not quite hard to get what you need, sure there is always rng but it cant ruin your runs
cunning urchin
It's about as ridiculous as "boys" being gender neutral tbh.
turbid needle
i’m not at the point atm where i like know what works with what in a completely organized fashion
mostly for the duos and legends tied
legendaries
which is prob pretty important to do right
in just generally getting better
cunning urchin
I guess start with taking a look at that perhaps. You can also look at runs on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies or look at some speedruns.
turbid needle
oh i’ve seen a few of this guys videos already didn’t know he had a full comprehensive series
thanks
oh there an entire channel for it lmao i didn’t even notice
i’ll look around in here more frequently since this game is my life atm it feels like
cunning urchin
Immediately calling it "sorta silly" might be exactly why people don't call it out when they have a problem with it.
And I wasn't being defensive, I just think it's absurd.
turbid needle
i have more to say but lack the energy to do so
turbid needle
And I wasn't being defensive, I just think it's absurd.
ok, one more, what about “you guys”
cunning urchin
Ask anybody to draw three guys, they'll draw three men. <:courte5Wut:85913124467...
.
turbid needle
okay, but “draw three guys” and “you guys” are used in completely different contexts
it’s the context of the sentence that defines what the word means not the word u feel
fallow robin
Anyways, having been gradually working up heat in a consistent process instead of jumping right into big heats, 32 does feel like the point where mechanics are needed to overcome the increased RNG
cunning urchin
I mean if that's the hill you wanna die on.
turbid needle
hey i have nothing personally invested into this conversation i’m asking out of genuine curiosity
turbid needle
Anyways, having been gradually working up heat in a consistent process instead o...
wym by the last bit
mechanics needed
worn solar
well at 32 heat there arent any pacts you need to take that make the rng worse
proven osprey
^
turbid needle
oh i got you after 32 you’re required to take ones that mess up your rng
ya i dunno i just don’t feel a need to even go there when that starts happening
worn solar
more like over 40
proven osprey
^
turbid needle
like is it common for people to just suicide a lot if they don’t get what they want
i’d think it is
worn solar
you can make things work
proven osprey
For unseeded speedruns and high heat yes
strange lark
like is it common for people to just suicide a lot if they don’t get what they w...
it happens a lot for speedrunning and high heats
proven osprey
pp man coming in clutch
hoary slate
reminds me i wanted to do some heat streaking stuff
cunning urchin
reminds me i wanted to do some heat streaking stuff
Mirrorless streak or fraud.
hoary slate
turbid needle
i also have 0 clue how to speedrun, that’s something i’d actually be interested in
strange lark
just go fast
turbid needle
even with 0 heat i can’t get faster than like 14 mins or so
proven osprey
there's a speedrun discord
strange lark
pinned in #self-promotion
turbid needle
oooo cool i’ll join that too then
proven osprey
worn solar
you also want em2 and fo1 or 2 for speedrunning
turbid needle
ya like 7:41 is the first time i see, crazy for me
worn solar
helps to install the speedrunning mod pack
turbid needle
i’m currently doing celeste speedruns rn too if anyones into that game. at about 45 mins rn 🙂
strange lark
ya like 7:41 is the first time i see, crazy for me
the modded wr is 4:55 and unmodded is 5:32 so its not that crazy
proven osprey
smile
turbid needle
helps to install the speedrunning mod pack
on ps4 :/
turbid needle
you also want em2 and fo1 or 2 for speedrunning
what’s any of this mean lol
strange lark
extreme measures 2 and forced overtime 1/2
worn solar
^
turbid needle
oh yeah i’ve seen why u should use those
strange lark
em2 brings the lernie heads closer and fo2 makes enemies spawn faster
turbid needle
does that take off a lot of time? or is it minor
the spawn one is probably considerable
turbid needle
what’s a build around guan yu look like
i can’t find any reason whatsoever to use it
boreal prism
Guan yu special is really strong, that's the reason people use it
That and the healing i guess
They have to balance the healing like that or it would be too good
worn solar
if it didnt have the health reduction or healing from spin itd actually be pretty decent
proper furnace
Breaking wave + 2nd wave is so much fun in styx
inland path
Anyone have a good Eris build
proper furnace
terse thistle
They gave it healing so you have less health
Well it makes sense in a rogue lite, same reason cursed slash reduces health as there’s no greater currency
proper furnace
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/
Is for speedruns but still applies
inland path
Alr thx
terse thistle
Anyone have a good Eris build
Zeus attack, static discharge. Tidal dash. Profit
Cluster bomb too if possible.
proper furnace
Drunken strike and all your poms into it also works
terse thistle
Hmmmm interesting
proper furnace
Is pretty fun tbh, ofc you still have the hangover duos too
terse thistle
Might try Artie instead for mirage shot cause why not. Rng sometimes doesn’t wanna bless me with lightning strike and static discharge soon enough
proper furnace
Wait how you dont get lightning strike soon enough? You dont use zeus keepsake?
hearty elbow
but far from being the main problem
I would be perfectly fine with the life loss if the standing attack was usable and there was one good hammer for attack that wasn't Serrated Point.
tawny forum
is stubborn defiance not kinda crazy?
sterile fiber
You need to be good at bosses and/or have Pat luck
terse thistle
Wait how you dont get lightning strike soon enough? You dont use zeus keepsake?
Oh I did but sometimes rng just likes to give me that wonderful kick to the tenders
proper furnace
You need to be good at bosses and/or have Pat luck
or athena in every build
proper furnace
Oh I did but sometimes rng just likes to give me that wonderful kick to the tend...
oh i feel this w
2 re rolls for no cast goes brrr
inland path
Is for speedruns but still applies
I just was able to do a run with that guide and I beat my pb by 3 minutes and it took me about a minute to beat hades at the end
So now I have a 14 min pb
proper furnace
nice
inland path
So now I have a 14 min pb
Wait no 17 mb
shell sleet
sub 10 seems so impossible, how do people consistently do that
even my most lucky runs with OP builds are only a little under sub13 and those had 2sacks and good hammer/boon RNG
shell sleet
i usually take free rooms, unless theres a god i really need that spawns alongside shop
and as for free fountain rooms theres no way to know which ones are the fountain right? or is there some indicator on the door
gusty rapids
no way to detect fountain in base game
most of getting relatively consistent sub10's are pausing for decisions, knowing the proper builds for the proper aspects, taking free rooms, and then just practice
fwiw thats not an unusual sentiment, i personally thought sub10 was pretty impossible for a while until i got it
worn solar
yeah fastest i got normally was like 13-14 before i started actually tryna speedrun and now i gotta sub 9
shell sleet
whats good on achilles attack
i know zeus is good if you have flurry jab but is it good even if you dont get flurry
and arty is just good in general for it right
proven osprey
Yeah Arty very nice
Zeus is good bc the base damage of the spear is garbage and it hits fast
Achilles buff makes the attack quite powerful, but your main damage will be cast/dash probably, especially later on the run
shell sleet
Achilles buff makes the attack quite powerful, but your main damage will be cast...
dash? the achilles buff doesnt affect dash does it?
also what are the good casts for it that dont rely on getting the duo boon (so no hunting blades or crystal meme)
blazing summit
Hey uh I'm new to the fanbase of hades, and I've been using this setup for the game so far, how's this? (Any tips on better blessings/hammers would be greatly appreciated)
Hammers: flurry > extending > triple
Blessings: divine strike, tidal dash, support fire, true shot, Artemis's call
Aspect: Zagreus/Achilles
valid dagger
dash? the achilles buff doesnt affect dash does it?
It doesn’t
But for example Tidal dash with a few poms and some buffs like billowing or rush delivery can be massive dmg
valid dagger
also what are the good casts for it that dont rely on getting the duo boon (so n...
I would say Phalanx, altho you’d want Lightning Phalanx but it’s not bad before you get like other casts
Zeus’ Cast with Static Discharge is also fine
shell sleet
alright
proven osprey
dash? the achilles buff doesnt affect dash does it?
Indeed but tidal makes anything go fast basically
Top 2 cast should be Ares/Dio
shell sleet
is aphro attack any good for achilles?
lucid oar
Not really
turbid needle
what are best gods for shield weapon and doing damage?
valid dagger
Depends on the aspect
shell sleet
does serrated point use up 3 out of the 4 achilles buff attacks or just 1
wanton garnet
Can I get Rare Crop more than once per run?
valid dagger
Can I get Rare Crop more than once per run?
Once
cunning urchin
Not really
Heresy.
shell sleet
are you going to feed them to the crocodiles nyaanyaa
cunning urchin
I don't feed anyone to my sacred crocodiles.
I have them fed to my sacred crocodiles.
shell sleet
i should learn to use companion summons more
i usually just forget about it and end up using it once per run at most
lucid oar
Yeah companions are muscle memory for me now
It was pretty beneficial to learn when and how to use them
valid dagger
I still miss most because I’m that good
proven arrow
is ravenous will in effect if i load all casts into bow?
cobalt kayak
oops wrong channel
proper furnace
is ravenous will in effect if i load all casts into bow?
Yes
regal lodge
Here something I'm quite curious about. Is there any dps build that goes higher than Aspect of Poseidon lv 5, Max Slicing Shot Hunting blades (Artemis Ares duo boon)
lucid oar
This but with aspect of Achilles
The highest DPS is probably trippy flare with Beowulf
proper furnace
Demeter cast with at least a decent pommed glaciar glare and artic blast also does a lot (on achilles ofc)
plain prairie
isn’t achilles spear just better for cast builds
unless you get like 5 stones or something
proper furnace
If your cast lodges into enemies i argue hera/poseidon are more useful
valid dagger
I like Achilles for whatever Cast honestly
proper furnace
I dont mind whatever cast if i already have flurry jab
valid dagger
I usually say I dont care about a cast then I end up with Lightning Phalanx or Hunting Blades or something
proven arrow
wait achilles spear is gives bonus damage to casts?!
proper furnace
+150% to next 4 casts/attacks after doing the rush at max lvl
proven arrow
i thought it was only attacks and tried to maximize spin value
i played it the wrong way >.>
proper furnace
Spin achilles is fun
valid dagger
Well the best hammer for Achilles is Flurry Jab which removes your spin in the first place lol
proper furnace
Assuming you get the hammers
proven arrow
hunting blades vs vicious cycle for ares cast achilles?
i wanted both and rolled them at the same time ;-;
suffering from succes
strange lark
hunting blades
unreal tree
Vicious cycle is SCAM
It only does 1 damage per tick
The tooltip is wrong
It does not work at all with slicing flare
worn solar
funny with greater ares call tho
proven arrow
4 blades just did 7.5k damage during 2nd phase laser spin
daamn its strong
but i prefer hera tbh
proper furnace
Hera comfy
unreal tree
Snug
barren gazelle
Is there a boon guide guys
hearty elbow
Way too complicated to do generically
But yeah, I think people have tried. Let me see if I can dig one up.
It's really really high level, but it's a good starting place as any, and starts the conversation https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
nova plinth
But yeah, I think people have tried. Let me see if I can dig one up.
bro i thought this was one of those scam links
hearty elbow
... from a steam community URL?
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, I think I reported your steam account by accident.
worn solar
wut
hearty elbow
? Oh am I the only one who gets random people messaging me on Discord claiming to have reported my steam account in a phishing attempt? I thought this was a plague lol
cunning urchin
My guide is no scam. 
unreal tree
uh oh
bronze marten
? Oh am I the only one who gets random people messaging me on Discord claiming t...
no you aren't
but nyaanyaa is very unlikely to be responsible for that happening to either of us haha
hearty elbow
It's always those that are unmasked at the end of Scooby Doo episodes
bronze marten
what if it is nyaanyaa and we should have taken her warnings to not purge aphro boons more seriously
whole drum
hades's quick strike that does 30 damage can leave 
hearty elbow
Lol cries from instayeet 100 damage FO2 spear chucks (EM4 + HL5)
surreal night
Me laughing in never getting hit with Max Zag twin fists with plume and epic greater dodge at over 60% dodge chance and devine dash for if I do get hit.
split radish
dodge chance is additive?
proper furnace
yes
crisp basin
hades's quick strike that does 30 damage can leave <:residentzag:580097451197857...
Me using god mode with 90% damage resistance 
proper furnace
not even possible to reach that high but ok
honestly might lvl god mode to max, sounds fun
terse thistle
people that slept on dodge chance probably don't know how busted it can be at times
proper furnace
god keepsake are way too comfy to try plume runs
but hermes dodge chance boons are always appreciated
lofty bronze
Hey, can I ask about how thunder flourish interacts with explosive upper? Will all enemies damaged proc a bolt?
shell sleet
for ME run on gilgamesh is it worth turning on the +10% duo/legendary one over the 20%epic just to get ME?
worn solar
for a bit more consistency ig. but gods pride can mean some high rolling with like epic doom/impending doom or epic rush delivery
lone jetty
Kinda a tossup. ME is a big dps boost but it doesn’t feel great with a common Curse of Agony without a ton of Poms in it. Personally I’d rather have the better Doom and a bunch of Athena even if I didn’t get ME.
turbid needle
sounds wack to me ME just does so much dmg even with common doom
gusty rapids
common doom just kinda sux
iirc a lv13 common doom is about equal in damage to a lv3 epic doom
its kind of absurd
shut juniper
so i recently got the coveted duo "merciful end"
however i wasnt able to exploit it well
is it that doom would be activated if i deflect an attack?
worn solar
is it that doom would be activated if i deflect an attack?
just damage an enemy with an ability with the deflect property
shut juniper
are you super sure?
valid dagger
Yes
worn solar
for example if you apply doom using your dash strike with doom attack and athena dash, the attack applies the doom and the athena dash will proc it
yeah ive played quite a bit of ME
valid dagger
ME abuser
shut juniper
lol didnt mean to question your experience
i had doom on my normal and my special had the deflecting property
however, even after the blessing i dont think i was able to impose doom on enemies after using my special
worn solar
well the special by itself wont doom enemies
shut juniper
why shouldnt it?
valid dagger
The Special will activate the doom that you already applied with your attack
shut juniper
shell sleet
did you have ares' doom boon on your attack or special?
valid dagger
which is why it’s recommended to look for Athena’s dash afterwards because you can attack and dash strike to proc the dooms, since switching back and forth between your special and attack can be slow and risky even
shut juniper
i see
shut juniper
did you have ares' doom boon on your attack or special?
normal
special had athena
understood to some extent, btw
i guess i'll put it to practice and get a better idea (hopefully soon hehe)
btw, when it comes to the boons, i love ares by far. the doom is super
dionysus and athena would have a tie for my second spot
how about y'all?
worn solar
well depends on the aspect
shut juniper
i am using the rail, aspect of zag
worn solar
for rail unless you get spread fire id be running zeus attack with tidal dash for the base build
shut juniper
i always look for the rocket special
worn solar
doom/merciful end is something i use more on sword/fists/zag shield
yeah rocket bomb is pretty much the best rail hammer, particularly when combined with cluster bomb, or triple bomb to a rather lesser extent
shut juniper
going back to merciful end... if i have divine dash and doom on my normal... then i simply need to dash-strike, right?
worn solar
yes
valid dagger
You will still want to take the Special first because the Dash isn’t a prereq to ME
worn solar
and that
shell sleet
yeah rocket bomb is pretty much the best rail hammer, particularly when combined...
is rocket bomb alone better than cluster alone?
shut juniper
You will still want to take the Special first because the Dash isn’t a prereq to...
understood
valid dagger
is rocket bomb alone better than cluster alone?
Imo yes
shut juniper
is rocket bomb alone better than cluster alone?
i enjoyed rocket more than cluster
valid dagger
I would always take Rocket over Cluster
shut juniper
+1
shell sleet
damn really? i always take cluster over rocket since i feel like its a lot easier to proc eris buff with cluster than rocket
valid dagger
Oh it’s the other way for me lol
Rocket absorption is instantaneous compared to Cluster
worn solar
wih eris and rocket bomb you just run up to an enemy and boom. instant buff
or even just a wall
shut juniper
damn really? i always take cluster over rocket since i feel like its a lot easie...
with eris, i'd also prefer cluster but the buff on normal is too less imo... i'd rather enjoy a rocket special with doom
valid dagger
Cluster is a bigger area but you should be close to enemies anyway so with Cluster you’ll have to wait for the projectiles to come back
worn solar
also they happen to be instantly ded
shut juniper
wih eris and rocket bomb you just run up to an enemy and boom. instant buff
aint it risky?
shut juniper
true
cunning urchin
Is it risky if you can hold down Attack and mash Dash and occasionally mash Special and still kill dad easily before he can kill you?
Lv.5 is max level.
worn solar
it really isnt risky when everything instantly dies lol
cunning urchin
Zag Aspects require 5 Titan Blood to get there. 2nd and 4th aspects require 15. 3rd aspects require 16.
shut juniper
Is it risky if you can hold down Attack and mash Dash and occasionally mash Spec...
i am too peasant to process this lmao
worn solar
when dad phase two just dies in 10 seconds
surreal fulcrum
Yesterday I had a guy panic, after the anvil changed his daedalus to a 5-spread rocket with eris
shell sleet
i just keep putting titan blood into zag rail <:dusa:522248771409543188>
honestly zag rail is just a downgrade from eris imo since being able to shoot longer isnt as important as doing more damage per shot, but if you like zag rail then you do you
worn solar
i still find it funny how for some reason my first sub 12 was with lvl 1 zag rail
shut juniper
any way to reset weapons and get titan blood back?
shut juniper
lmao
cunning urchin
i still find it funny how for some reason my first sub 12 was with lvl 1 zag rai...
The "some reason" is probably free rooms?
worn solar
The "some reason" is probably free rooms?
yep lol
fair zenith
Do y'all think that arty would work well on special on chaos aspect shield?
fair zenith
Alright just curious what other people thought
hearty elbow
If you're like exceptionally good at shotgunning... It'd probably still be bad LOL. But it would be functional I guess.
round helm
Quick question, if I beat 32 heat before getting the second of Skelly's prizes, do I get both prizes or just the 16 heat one
hearty elbow
... I have literally no idea. I think you'd get both.
valid dagger
Should be both
shell sleet
it's almost certainly both since the code for that part should simply check
if maxheat>=16
and for 32 if maxheat>=32
since both conditions would be fulfilled if you do 32 it should give both
fierce hare
mirage shot doubles damage on beo shield right?
cunning urchin
Right.
worn solar
ye
round helm
I just lost my first 32 hit run to Hades with 1 hp left and me stepping on a trap
I'm beyond malding lol
hearty elbow
I mean, there's stuff to improve on then for next time :3 Bright side
shell sleet
for hades call, the damage buff only applies to the first move you use after the call right
cunning urchin
No, it lasts for 1.5 seconds, something like that.
hearty elbow
Greater call is 5 second iirc
worn solar
@brisk carbon ill just talk about this here. you kinda need athena special to roll merciful end and ignoring that its probably better anyways due to the deflect and most of your. damage coming from your attack. uh also id recommend greater reflex for pretty much every aspect, especially for the sword as its best to chain dash strikes with it for dps along with the added mobility and lack of reliance of greatest reflex from hermes.
valid dagger
You beat me to it smh
worn solar
heh
brisk carbon
<@270752073597845515> ill just talk about this here. you kinda need athena speci...
Thank you! I'm really not too good at the game mechanics bit so I'm glad some people are and are able to advise!
plain prairie
I just lost my first 32 hit run to Hades with 1 hp left and me stepping on a tra...
go 4 31 hit run then u will keep 1 hp 🙂 😉
round helm
Too late lol, I just beat 32 heat moments ago
the jump from 14 to 32 was quite strong but two runs was enough
I can also now confirm you do indeed unlock both heat rewards at once
hearty elbow
The typical jumps are [0..16]->20->32->40->45->50. They all present different sets of challenges
worn solar
why is your pact so cursed
round helm
why is your pact so cursed <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
wdym
worn solar
i wonder
worn solar
heightened security, lc1 with stubborn defiance, js3 cp2 with td2 but you couldve just done td3 and gotten rid of 3 heat there
plain prairie
heat mode champion
round helm
Oh I didn't expect to have more than a minute remaining for TD actually cause last run was really really tight
I just managed to somehow clear Asphodel in like 2 minutes
proper furnace
Just get the boons
valid dagger
Lol
round helm
Actually that's what killed me in my previous attempt at 32 heat a few minutes ago
hearty elbow
~~thats me being oonga bunga on dad tbf~~
I stopped making myself feel bad for running into traps with EM4 lol. Sometimes they basically frame trap you
round helm
Welp, now I just have 1 achievement left to shelf the game
the dreaded maxing all keepsakes grind
plain prairie
the duality of gaming
proper furnace
Just play on switch so you dont feel pressure to max keepsakes
I never touched broken spearpoint
round helm
I've come too far to stop playing at 1 achievement left
My steam profile's needing some completion
proper furnace
Fair, i just said that bc switch doesnt have achievements lol
round helm
Ik lol I own a switch
It'd also seem it's taking me almost the same amount of time to 100% this game than it's taken me to 100% dark souls 3
Curious
Surprising amount of content for an indie game
shell sleet
I never touched broken spearpoint
smh missing out on the most broken keepsake how sad
cunning urchin
It used to not have a cooldown in Early Access lol.
proper furnace
Wait what
worn solar
wot
valid dagger
Lol
sterile fiber
Riccochet, Cluster or Rocket for Hestia first hammer
worn solar
i like rockets
sterile fiber
I like rockets too but idk if Riccochet is more consistent
tawny forum
would you guys suggest perfect shot or flurry shot with chiron bow and aphrodite attack?
worn solar
would you guys suggest perfect shot or flurry shot with chiron bow and aphrodite...
flurry is faster and easier to use and you mostly just use the attack to mark targets to special so you dont even perfect shot half the time with chiron
cunning urchin
What's the third option?
tawny forum
point blank shot
valid dagger
Yea I'd probably take Flurry
cunning urchin
That's better, I was about to say something.
valid dagger
hearty elbow
and non binary pals
this person kenji lopez-alts
tawny forum
wha?
hearty elbow
Oh nvm it's probably a wider turn of phrase lol. Professional chef who signs off videos that way.
cunning urchin
I think both Flurry and Perfect Shot are fine. I think I like Perfect Shot a bit more on Chiron.
hearty elbow
Yeah Kenji is amazing. It's kind of hard to not hear his name be referenced in basically whatever food youtube you watch.
gusty rapids
Riccochet, Cluster or Rocket for Hestia first hammer
this is late but rocket is incredible on hesty
they're all good but having 2 ways of delivering instant high burst damage is v nice
cunning urchin
So that's a vote for Ricochet?
sterile fiber
(it's ok nobody was truly early since it was from yesterday)
worn solar
clockets tho
gusty rapids
yea rocket gives you alternate ways of scaling ur damage too
ebon jacinth
any recommended builds for lucifer?
sterile fiber
ol reliable: Lightning Strike and play it like Eris
fun: Tempest Strike for power washing
ebon jacinth
kk thx
worn solar
or just ignore the aspect and do tidal dash with a smouldering air call
sterile fiber
that feels like saying "or do ME" for weapons that can't ME well
hearty elbow
(it is)
worn solar
hey it works
sterile fiber
thatsthejoke.jpg
acoustic thorn
Just discovered cluster bomb + rocket bomb combo on exagryph 😍😍😍
sterile fiber
clocketssss
proper furnace
@timid shuttle priviliged status (+40% dmg when enemies have 2 curses on them)
proper furnace
checked your screenshot, you dont have razor shoals
timid shuttle
Oh, well. Didn't need it anyway.
acoustic thorn
Anyone get a new Theseus asterius in-battle interaction but like deep into playing? Don’t want to spoil what it is for those who might’ve not gotten it
But it just caught me off guard
proper furnace
Oh, well. Didn't need it anyway.
can i interest you in family favourites
+5% dmg x god you have a boon from, no need to pick up curse status
acoustic thorn
(Without EM)
proper furnace
is the counter part to P.status
hearty elbow
can i interest you in family favourites <:dusa:522248771409543188>
+5% dmg x go...
doin' the lawd's work.
proper furnace
Anyone get a new Theseus asterius in-battle interaction but like deep into playi...
the move where asterius runs into theseus and creates and shockwave? or the one where theseus gets yeeted
timid shuttle
usually end up having at least two status effects, but this time it slipped me by
proper furnace
both are tied after the heroes friendship arc
acoustic thorn
the move where asterius runs into theseus and creates and shockwave? or the one ...
The shockwaveee
I thought I had charmed him for a sec but realized I didn’t even have any books for that
proper furnace
when you keep defeating the heroes asterius is like "my champion (or whatever way he calls theseus) isnt he a little strong?" theseus in denial/feeling betrayed
after you kill them a few more times they reconciliate and gain those skills
sterile fiber
yeah I got that way late for some reason
turbid needle
does the spin attack damage on guan yu scale based on anything
like will it do more damage if i have an attack boon
yes it does as i just found out with quick spin and massive spin
would have been good to know
proven osprey
It does indeed
Deadly strike with these two hammers is poggies
20/30/50 damage per .5 second as base with massive spin is very nice
hearty elbow
Taking 50 damage/.5 seconds to get the spins off in the first place also worth
ionic crown
when you keep defeating the heroes asterius is like "my champion (or whatever wa...
Theseus has such a stupid complex my god
hearty elbow
He's easy to feel bad for, to be fair.
He didn't really choose to be the Champion of Elysium lol, and no one really takes him seriously, and he loses all the time but you keep leaving so he keeps the title
shell sleet
i dont feel bad for theseus
asterius does more than half the work while theseus camps behind shield, or if its EM3 then you still get to ignore theseus joyriding around the circumference of the arena while asterius is actually threatening with AOE jump attack and the bull rush thats way too quick
proper furnace
All fun and games until asterius pursues you into theseus path lol
ionic crown
all fun and games until you trigger both of their second phases at the same time
shell sleet
all fun and games until you trigger both of their second phases at the same time
when your build is so good that you accidentally trigger theseus phase2
unreal tree
when your build is so good that you accidentally trigger theseus phase2 <:bouldy...
Cold fusion moment
hearty elbow
Lol, razor shoals moment. No matter how bad your build is, EM3 is solved if you have a pommed or rare+ shoals lol
turbid needle
tips for shield? i only have a level 3 chaos, dont really like zeus, and havent unlocked beowulf so im kinda stuck
subtle star
acoustic thorn
Second wave + mirage shot 🤧🤧🤧🤧
valid dagger
@shell sleet I find that clearing the game consistently in ~9 minutes is more about game knowledge and decent room clearing, so this build is average I would say, Elysium was also not the best, a lower clear would require more dmg because bosses were taking too long and better room rng (free rooms etc..) and ofc I’m not that good with the actual weapon so a lot of my movement is wasted
shell sleet
<@498378125466402827> I find that clearing the game consistently in ~9 minutes i...
how much would tidal dash really help for boss damage though? like sure its nice to have but it wont do nearly as much as achilles phalanx shot right?
hearty elbow
It helps indirectly by making normal rooms that much faster.
And the damage is definitely not negligible on bosses, especially depending on the other boons you've picked up
valid dagger
Yea a Tidal Dash with a few poms would cut a lot of time
proven arrow
Does dodge count as near miss?
valid dagger
Don't think so
terse thistle
tips for shield? i only have a level 3 chaos, dont really like zeus, and havent ...
Zeus is so easy to build and nothing like having a frisbee of destruction flying around while you pummel them either with aphro or Artie
proven arrow
Any tips on aspect of chaos? I find the single target of special lacking
hearty elbow
I mean you're right
lol
You can up your single target damage with something like Doom on your attack, and use bull rush liberally
proven arrow
Is liberally often or rarely
hearty elbow
often
Depending on your CHaos build, if you're Lightning or Hangover, you'll have times where you're waiting for an attack for Jolted to proc or Hangover is ticking, so in those situations it helps to use your attack/bull rush a lot more often to supplement your damage
proven arrow
Intresting, havent tried dio or zeus special yet
hearty elbow
Both are solid, and generally what I'd recommend. Zeus requires less positional awareness, since you need to be pretty on point with shotgunning for Dio to feel good
cunning urchin
My Chaos Aspect strategy for DPS is to find Charged Shot and ignore the Special.
shell sleet
My Chaos Aspect strategy for DPS is to find Charged Shot and ignore the Special....
then why not just play zag shield
hearty elbow
She's strictly speaking correct lol. The heat WR for Chaos at the moment is basically 0-special
But it doesn't really matter for the style that people will actually be playing in the beginning, which is with the special
cunning urchin
You can make the Special work effectively, but Charged Shot requires much less to get going, and any Special or hybrid build is playing catch-up.
hearty elbow
That's more or less what I do when I'm actually playing but I think out the boons and rooms pretty well
Also the longer you play the more natural rotations and playstyle adjustments have to be
hazy lantern
is there like a spreadsheet of build somewhere? i want to get into advance stuff but i just don’t know where to start
worn solar
is there like a spreadsheet of build somewhere? i want to get into advance stuff...
well people make them. but most of them might not be particularly accurate. you can always take a look at victory screens, ask about specific weapons, or look in the speedrunning discord as they have some guides too which are pretty applicable to regular runs.
hearty elbow
There's a really broad guide for builds in the sticky in #h1-for-new-players, but it's not great for "advanced stuff". The further you push, the more adaptive you have to be. It'd be a lot easier if you focused on maybe one weapon or aspect
worn solar
tbh this aint a bad build guide https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-beowulf-shield
whole drum
getting heart rend, aphro attack, and artemis dash with nemesis blade... lost all my DD to charon and died to theseus who was at 5% health
proper furnace
It really shines on the cast-loading weapons (beo-hera)
worn solar
free damage when casting which you do a lot on cast based weapons
proper furnace
Also chill + demeter tier 2 are comfy
hardy crane
why is snow burst good
Is that the one that explodes when chill is stacked at 10 because if so the yes especially when combined with frost strike and demeters aid
sterile fiber
That's Arctic Blast
naive hound
any tips for a cast focused build?
proper furnace
@naive houndcast guide
as a note mirage shot on beowulf shield (or hera bow with trippy flare) the 2nd cast will do 100% dmg instead of what it normally should (30%)
naive hound
<@!208450868100595712>cast guide
Thank you!
terse thistle
This makes me wanna bring out Chiron again for them Demeter super freeze
bronze marten
why is snow burst good
because you can do 200 damage in a pulse around you
that’s very useful
and with beo and hera it’s super based like I’ve taken Demeter in elysium w beo for snow burst
hardy crane
is heart of stone good and how do i even get it
bronze marten
is heart of stone good and how do i even get it
Give nectar to Bouldy. It’s kind of a meme, but 
hardy crane
wait you can talk to bouldy
worn solar
its a really tiny buff to a random stat
like 2-8% or something
also whatever "ambiguity bonus" is
hardy crane
oh that actually sounds pretty effective for my build
acoustic thorn
Quick question, doesn’t Athena’s boon for stubborn defiance kinda like, not do anything? It says replenish one use, but it gets replenished at the beginning of each new chamber anyway?
I could be missing something
hearty elbow
If you do it with Stubborn Defiance, as long as you don't have your stubborn defiance when you pick her boon, you instead get a full Death Defiance, and your SD is returned to you as normal after that room
That is as good as it sounds.
acoustic thorn
Woahh
fallow robin
Make sure to pop your SD in any Athena rooms, especially in Asphodel! (Just don’t lava yourself to trve death on accident)
balmy portal
If you do it with Stubborn Defiance, as long as you don't *have* your stubborn d...
long term pet peeve that you have to die in that room in order to get this effect
sonic ivy
What's a good build to do the 30% charon keepsake buff trophy? I am stuck with that.. best I got to was 24 with aspect of Chiron.. and the worst thing is that styx chambers don't add up to this
hearty elbow
Hestia and Chiron are good options. Zeus, Beowulf and Chaos are also fine but you have to play marginally closer to do it so it's more of a comfort thing.
lucid oar
Guan yu with charged skewer is also great
hearty elbow
Yeah, that might honestly be the best choice but you really the hammer to happen lol
polar python
What's a good build to do the 30% charon keepsake buff trophy? I am stuck with t...
Do you mean the pierced butterfly from Than?
I got mine with a powered up trippy shot. Not great in boss rooms, but keeps things semi stunlocked in normal rooms. Got up to 38% on it.
languid forum
if u use beowulf, it's so broken that it makes teh challenge pretty easy
especially as the shield gives more coverage when blocking
turbid needle
good lord gaun yu builds are so fun
quick spin and massive spin or charged skewer w aphrodite special and chaos special
mwah
oh y’all were just talking about that haha
sonic ivy
Do you mean the pierced butterfly from Than?
I got mine with a powered up trippy...
I just finished it with hestia. I was lucky i picked cluster bomb and missile upgrades. It's easy to reach asphodel undamaged with 20-22% buff after that many times i took one hit in encounters.. had to use skelly to get 2 more clear rooms in Elysium
turbid needle
currently praying for quick flourish from hermes
also i did the butterfly with chiron
just have to not die once in the first two areas lol
or get hit i mean
sonic ivy
Asphodel, i always end up stepping on lava lol
sterile fiber
relatable
languid forum
just charged shot beowulf it
turbid needle
Asphodel, i always end up stepping on lava lol
that’s exactly why i did chiron
plain prairie
hunter mark whip current
hardy crane
So i unlocked aspect of guan yu and aspect of lucifer which one should i get
boreal prism
Hmm, gy is really tough at level 1, and lucifer is a lot more usable at level 1
hardy crane
Hmm, gy is really tough at level 1, and lucifer is a lot more usable at level 1
yeah but i hear that lucifer changes up the gameplay of the gun way more than gy does which can heal so that's also a bonus
fair zenith
What should I use on chaos shield special?
hardy crane
depends what aspect do you have and are you talking about boons
worn solar
chaos is a shield aspect and yeah they look like they mean boons. generally its ares, dio, or zeus
hardy crane
oh i thought chaos was the name of the shield
worn solar
i havent used much chaos tho
hardy crane
i thought it was shield of chaos
hardy crane
wow
oh i have that aspect
for the multi shield thing i recommend frost flourish mixed with arctic blast or battle rage preferably mixed with divine flourish or deadly flourish because it you can get it multiple times with one attack
split mauve
Should I take Taurus heart(I am pretty low in health) or a Hermes thing?
ionic crown
What’s the build
split mauve
Dodge kinda thing
Trying to get away from danger quickly
But like I said I am pretty low in health
valid dagger
You’re likely the better judge of that
fallow robin
You can’t get other, future Hermes buffs if you perma-die
unreal tree
hermes can greater evasion for more dodge/hyper sprint/dashes
all very valuable on a max dodge build imo
fair zenith
chaos is a shield aspect and yeah they look like they mean boons. generally its ...
Thank you, I didn't see this last night I ended up running Aphrodite on special with Ares on attack, went fantastic
tawny forum
quick question
if i have the chance to get a zeus/dionysus room or a hammer room, which should i take?
hammer is very good
but two boons in one room is also nice
valid dagger
Depends on multiple things, the pact you're using, the aspect/build and how useful those 2 boons are for it, whether you rely on a certain hammer etc
terse thistle
Personally always hammer 99.999% of the time
fallow robin
I’m thinking the Zag shield is becoming my favorite - such a simple, clean weapon.
sterile fiber
it's the famer going "it ain't much but it's honest work"
fallow robin
I die so much using the other shields because I spend more focusing on the mechanics mini-games instead the actual game
polar python
Typically the game will give you more chances for a hammer of you don't take it at a specific point
Like at the start of Elysium if you see Hammer but don't take it, it's almost always offered at the end of that room anyway.
bronze marten
if i have the chance to get a zeus/dionysus room or a hammer room, which should ...
Depends on how scary the trial is. You can generally pass on one hammer room and still get two before styx, and if somehow you don’t get two one will be in the tunnel. But if that trial seems super sweaty (tight deadline, up against scary gods in the trial, etc) then going hammer isn’t wrong
But if you have a comfy tight deadline and both those gods are in your build, it can be super useful
bronze marten
I’m thinking the Zag shield is becoming my favorite - such a simple, clean weapo...
I’m kinda feeling similarly about zag bow
plain prairie
if u have pressure point and u also have zeus double strike and the 1 st strike is crit is 2nd strike also crit
opal granite
i just found a semi op build, maxed zagreus (bow) explosive shot, swift strike (+30%) and ravenous will, you hit like a damn train o.o i 4 shotted hydra boss on heat 4 o.o
hearty elbow
Explosive Zag Bow with Deadly Strike is very effective.
The extra crit chance is really nice since Explosive gives so much % bonus damage.
sterile fiber
If you find Twin Shot it becomes even more busted
unreal tree
The extra crit chance is really nice since Explosive gives so much % bonus damag...
triple explosive
languid forum
i took double flurry over double explosive and regret
rugged geyser
but the charge time is crazy long
hearty elbow
It's certainly longer, just takes a bit to get used to.
hearty elbow
i took double flurry over double explosive and regret
Don't regret this lol. Twin + Flurry is nuts
sterile fiber
Twin Flurry is easier to position
timid shuttle
Does Zeus boons go well with the special on the Shield of Chaos?
I know Zeus attack is good on normal shield.
turbid needle
yeah zeus special is good
timid shuttle
yeah, but does it proc on every shield from Chaos shield?
proper furnace
If you shotgun the enemy, nope
timid shuttle
I have the double lightning strike chance boon.
timid shuttle
If you shotgun the enemy, nope
But what about giving the entire room a piece of my mind?
proper furnace
Yes
timid shuttle
Neat
sterile fiber
But what about giving the entire room a piece of my mind?
Does that mean the more you upgrade the shield, the more your splitting your mind between the specials
warm tide
just got back into the game and i'm a little rusty, any advice on good spear builds?
hearty elbow
Flurry Jab always a good place to start
Zag/Hades spear with Exploding Launcher also fun
warm tide
any specific boons to look out for?
i tend to look out for doom by default but idk if any other boons would be helpful
valid dagger
For Achilles you can go for Zeus or Artemis/Aphro on the attack
timid shuttle
Zeus on Chaos shield is really damn good.
it zaps multiple times on a room clearing throw
as it hits and as it goes back
I got splitting bolt, double strike chance and other such funny things.
junior heart
Is there a way to be sure to get exit wounds for a cast build?
junior heart
Or anything to increase the chances? Cause even when I reroll boons i never get it
unreal tree
nope
Just keep rolling artemis you'II get it eventually
Its not that important either way
Mirage shot/+1 cast/cast damage chaos is still more beneficial
Also check those wells for stones/braids👀
worn solar
stuff like filling up your core boon slots helps ig
junior heart
Mirage shot/+1 cast/cast damage chaos is still more beneficial
Ok thanks
whole drum
i killed theseus right as he hit me so my DD procc'd during the victory frame 😭
terse thistle
omg standard zag fists with plume is crazy, even more so with tidal dash and curse of agony... least until i switched out plume like a fool... and even then it's still pretty stonks
proper furnace
charon well items carrying
fading nymph
Hourglass good
junior heart
Can someone suggest me a build for gryph? Should I use Zeus on attack or pump up special? I can't play with that weapon lol
sterile fiber
Zeus attack is the most standard.
worn solar
Can someone suggest me a build for gryph? Should I use Zeus on attack or pump up...
the go to speedrun build aka the go to kill everything build is zeus start for his attack, poseidon dash, look for static discharge from zeus, then grab a high% special boon preferrably aphro. you want most of your damage to be coming from your attack/zeus unless you get good special hammers
aka rocket bomb + cluster bomb or hazard bomb
cunning urchin
Most damage should come from your Special, Tidal Dash, and Jolted. Typically in that order.
Lightning Strike does much of the work early on in the run but eventually falls behind Static Discharge, typically.
Although they can be about even depending on rarity and poms.
You want your poms to go on Tidal Dash and maybe 1-2 on Static Discharge.
And on Hunter's Mark if you happen to get Deadly Flourish or Pressure Points to unlock that.
1-2 Special poms or Attack poms can also be alright but are low priority.
junior heart
🙏🏻🙏🏻 thanks
terse thistle
And if you manage to get clocket for eris…. Basically gg for the run…
shell sleet
whats a good non ME demeter build
shell sleet
oops i keep forgetting the swear thing
i cant believe zap has followed me from eris to demeter
shell sleet
You can try drunken strike priv stat
what dash would i take for that
unreal tree
Get like Aphrodite dash and a nice chonky special
Passion dash would also open up low tolerance
Can take arti special for splitting headache
last dirge
Ye
shell sleet
what does splitting headache do again?
last dirge
Splitting is decent on some stuff
+1.5% crit per hangover stack I believe
Universal
shell sleet
oh right
last dirge
I just tried it on Rama and it did amazingly