good hamemrs for eris?
#h1-builds-and-combat
languid forum
proven osprey
Cluster bomb and rocket bomb is the combo you want
Delta chamber, Targeting system are good
languid forum
aaa i just skipped out on delta chamber
solar dawn
What did you take instead?
languid forum
seeking fire
proven osprey
It's not great since you're at melee range
And even from afar it's not something you'll want, on Hestia for example
turbid needle
don't be so negative smh
high heat players more like, no fun players
high heat is fun tho
im not one to talk since my highest is like 11 or 12-
bronze marten
high heat players more like, no fun players
eh, I found it pretty fun to win at 40… it took some work, but I am super glad there’s still fresh challenge to be found in it 300 hours in
but it does require effort and practice
that or RNJesus
cold pivot
Jesus Christ blitz shield plus the Zeus boon that spawns lightning when ur special hits is amazing
turbid needle
I've only killed father twice so far and both times were with this really strong bow setup
I used triple shot and explosive shot
The damage is absolutely nuts
sterile fiber
Jesus Christ blitz shield plus the Zeus boon that spawns lightning when ur speci...
there's a reason why ultra-high heat records are done with Zeus Zeus
lunar flare
What are the hammers to take for Nemesis? I presume the chop helps
proper furnace
doesnt shadow slash not apply to dash strike?
lunar flare
I wanna try a merciful end build with Chaos shield
lone jetty
Merciful end works on about everything. Try Zeus shield for some good times
iron locust
I wanna try a merciful end build with Chaos shield
Why would you use Chaos Shield for anything
tawdry sorrel
chaos shield fun :(
iron locust
Chaos Shield is a huge bland "meh"
I bring up the following:
Added shields do not ricochet
Combo is clunky and forces the player to disposition themselves. Meaning fast paced situations may lead to you throwing yourself into crap without intending to.
Added shields only flies back to you if it comes into contact with nothing.
Added shields deal 15 damage.
Added shields can shotgun, but its spread and combined total doesn't make it worth it without some damage buffs.
Then allow me to cover everything else the other shields provide:
Zag:
The flat damage buff is not a percentage buff, HUGE difference, meaning the higher damage is greater than one is lead to believe. Making it a pretty good melee option, with all the hammers open for you to play and build with.
Zeus Shield:
Special is a grinder with good area control and effect. Decent rate of attack, flies through greatshields, you can attack even with the special deployed.
Beo:
It is Beowulf.
bleak iron
question, doing a fists run and I'm not entirely sure which god's boon I want on my attack. it's a small but repeated burst, so I'd want something like zeus, dionysus, or demeter on it right? something that gains from being applied over and over rather than a % increase in damage since the dmg it deals per hit won't be super high?
lone jetty
Zeus is your huckleberry. Dio also good.
bleak iron
thanks
simple sedge
is darkness not uping your max health when using aspect of guan yu mentioned anywhere
proper furnace
It still does (im assuming you mean that contractor upgrade of +5 max health)
Just that at max lvl it gives like 2-3
simple sedge
hm. i wonder whats happening for me then
its either a glitch or smn else im missing cuz my max health hasnt been affected by darkness ive just been getting healing from dark regen
wintry gull
question, doing a fists run and I'm not entirely sure which god's boon I want on...
merciful end ! merciful end ! merciful end ! merciful end ! merciful end ! 😂
proven osprey
its either a glitch or smn else im missing cuz my max health hasnt been affected...
It's only from the darkness you get as a room/boss reward
simple sedge
i see ty
acoustic vale
It's only from the darkness you get as a room/boss reward
Pretty sure that isn't true. Unless this is another way my game is abnormal
solar dawn
It is true, shops and troves don't give hp
acoustic vale
Oh I read that wrong. I thought it said boss rewards only
lunar flare
Why would you use Chaos Shield for anything
Because I went for a run and the loop of Bull Rush - Special - Attack - Attack was just plain fun, especially with Ares on special as I can spread Doom quickly
lunar flare
It is true, shops and troves don't give hp
Shops, Troves and Sisyphus don't, but Wells do
acoustic vale
That's... Inconsistent
lunar flare
Because I went for a run and the loop of Bull Rush - Special - Attack - Attack w...
And it's just fun to hear Chaos giggle at my combat :)
lunar flare
That's... Inconsistent
Don't quote me actually, I'm pretty sure Wells do but it's been a while since I did a Dark Regen run
jovial walrus
What hammers for Lucifer?
I liked Greater Inferno and Triple Bomb personally but is anything else better?
sweet frigate
Concentrated hell is good
valid prism
Anything but eternal chamber
It's the only hammer that decreases the potential of the aspect
jovial walrus
that's the one that lets you fire forever but damage doesn't ramp up right?
valid prism
Yes
jovial walrus
I thought the entire appeal of the laser was the fact it ramps up
valid prism
That's the point: avoid eternal chamber if you can
Triple bomb is probably the best for the special
Concentrated beam is good indeed
Eternal chamber decreases the dps but doesn't break the run
That makes it a good aspect to use anvil with because Lucifer has only 8 hammers and they are mainly good/okay
edgy mauve
I liked Greater Inferno and Triple Bomb personally but is anything else better?
tbomb is very very noice
jovial walrus
tbomb is very very noice
is it because as soon as the third touches the ground the first ball is damaged enough to explode and trigger all three?
That's what I noticed
solar dawn
All of Lucifer's hammers are pretty meh except for faster start up and faster ramping, tbomb gives you some nice burst
cunning urchin
Meh?
They're all really good. The aspect has no bad hammers.
It's the best in terms of hammer balance imo.
lunar flare
Getting Heroic Divine Dash after getting Merciful End 
cunning urchin
Nice.
wanton garnet
Does Arthur need to be levelled up to be useful? All increasing its level does is increase the dmg reduction while you're standing on the symbol, right?
proper furnace
yup, you have all the damage from lvl 1
lunar flare
You're correct, so probably no, but it's good for survivability
mild raft
Shops, Troves and Sisyphus don't, but Wells do
Darkness from Wells don’t increase your max health
lunar flare
Not max health, but it does heal you if you have Dark Regen enabled
same with Troves
mild raft
But darkness from shops troves and Sisyphus all heal you with dark regen
solid nacelle
So this build mostly focuses around the Hellfire (special attack) at first, but soon becomes an all around killer with Merciful End. Also major caveat; this requires a lucky series of hammers and boons to pull off. I will present it in the order I got it in, which I think worked really well - but ya know it'll come down to luck.
Daedalus Hammer: Greater Inferno. 'Hellfire radiates 250% damage in a larger area'. This is essential for Hellfire to be useful, and the beginning of our journey.
Boon: Athena, Divine Flourish. 'Special is Stronger and Can Deflect'. So now you can just start spamming the Hellfire around, and it will do a lot more damage, in a large area, and deflect any incoming attacks that cross its path.
Boon: Ares, Curse of Agony. 'Your Attack inflicts Doom.' So now in between throws, just quickly tap foes to get that sweet incoming doom damage. Easy to quickly spray a crowd of foes with a lil zap each.
Duo Boon: Merciful End. 'Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.' Our pièce de résistance. You spam the Hellfire deflect attacks all around at foes, and quickly tap the doom into their souls. They will usually take the doom damage almost instantly since you'll have all these deflect attacks happening.
Now a few Optional but Awesome Additions:
Daedalus Hammer: Flash Fire. 'Attack starts firing 50% faster with 15% range.' Makes it easier to inflict doom in between Hellfire blasts.
Boon: Ares, Impending Doom. 'Your Doom effects deal more damage, after +0.5 Sec.' Since we are shortcutting the doom timer, might as well grab the extra damage!
Cast: Zeus, Electric Shot. 'Your Cast is a burst of chain-lightning that bounces between foes.' I'm sure a lot of casts will work here, but I liked having the extra damage that hit a bunch of foes, since we are doing mostly area damage anyways with Hellfire, it helps put the nails in the coffins.
mild raft
Ok but have you considered Triple Bomb
solid nacelle
Triple Bomb Hellfire? I like where you are going with this
mild raft
Triple bomb is like
The single best hammer on Lucifer
The damage is actually pretty cracked with a good special boon
solid nacelle
Well I still beat this run on Heat 5 so pretty happy with it, but Ill have to check that one out
this was my first Lucifer run actually
turbid needle
Just got the hidden sword aspect and I've heard it's quite good? What's the go to build to give it a try?
sterile fiber
for the record, and since I recall someone asking this here: EM4 gorgon heads and butterfly balls do teleport without MM.
acoustic vale
Just got the hidden sword aspect and I've heard it's quite good? What's the go t...
Heartbreak strike
turbid needle
Heartbreak strike
Is that all it needs?
acoustic vale
Pretty much, yeah
Other aphro boons help, obviously, and Athena and Dio can make the tank build even more stupid, but hb strike is the only strict requirement
turbid needle
Alright cool, I'll give it a shot. It's only 3 titan blood.
bronze marten
you can also go artemis attack with aphro dash for four digit heart rend crits
but aphro will hit harder faster
if you play smash bros, bascially you're ganondorf now
boomstick
turbid needle
The pace change is wild, the furies almost got me haha
solar dawn
Just got the hidden sword aspect and I've heard it's quite good? What's the go t...
It's one of the weapons that needs very very little to easily get through tart so you can start defensive and get really solid results
acoustic vale
Don't forget to abuse the special. Slows foes, slows their projectiles, disables traps, including lava, and damage resist
turbid needle
The special is very cool yeah, made Thesius and Asterius very simple
spring phoenix
Hello everyone! How to read this scheme? https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/e/ef/ZeusUpgradeSolo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20201221072706
proper furnace
the ones with yellow arrows > needed for the boon they end
orange arrow > needs any of those 4 for the others to show up
slighty less orange (idk its color ww) > needs any of those 2
any aid unlocks billowing and clouded judgement, if you pick a zeus boon after
if you have the codex upgrade in game you can check what boons opens the chance for others
errant narwhal
the codex index is much more simple and less difficult to read than these charts and if i remember correctly one of the charts has an inaccuracy in it though i dont remember which
solar dawn
It's that one it seems, double strike/high voltage isn't done properly
One works with thunder flourish iirc
proper furnace
is marked properly, and it works with both
spring phoenix
if you have the codex upgrade in game you can check what boons opens the chance ...
where I can get that upgrade?
spring phoenix
It's that one it seems, double strike/high voltage isn't done properly
wow, you guys really do remember all the boons requirements? these are insane memory skills )))
outer quail
when i was learning them i wrote out all the boon reqs i wanted to know in a notebook to keep track
but if u play for long enough u will get an idea just over time by paying attention
proper furnace
codex upgrade helps a lot
solar dawn
wow, you guys really do remember all the boons requirements? these are insane me...
A lot of the prerequisites follow logical orders, comes down to that. Only remember that one cuz it's a visual difference
proper furnace
i still use it a lot of the time
solar dawn
i still use it a lot of the time
Same codex on top
spring phoenix
https://ibb.co/f0G1LdF this one I suppose
proper furnace
yup
sterile fiber
is there any difference between emptying out the mirror and taking RI4
iron locust
Does this look right to you guys???
Epic Rarity thicc bolt, supposed to be 84% only
iron locust
Yeah it was some sort of bug it seems
This was the same room as before
Next room later
hoary slate
which Aspect is this? Beo?
proper furnace
check the codex go to any of the olympians/chaos then press the button that says
(on switch at least is -)
spring phoenix
found it, thx
fresh jewel
Does Parting Shot give +35% backstab damage only to casts or everything
solar dawn
Only casts
lunar flare
Getting Heroic Divine Dash after getting Merciful End <:shadeohboy:5204481345902...
It happened again
onyx grotto
Hello
Emm.. i have a question about keepsakes.
I mean distant memory. What is the distance exactly?
Bow range for example?
cunning urchin
So it's like 1.7x Crush Shot radius, roughly.
cunning urchin
I suppose so.
30% global damage works best on flat damage if you want to make Distant Memory work.
So something like Chiron with Drunken Flourish, perhaps?
terse thistle
i love cold wine, but once you got zeus and then stuff like cold fusion starts happening... it's chef's kiss.
lunar flare
Getting Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast in the same run shreds
lunar pulsar
does buying the item which makes flamewheels not appear actually lower the number of enemies in the room?
or are you just exchanging them for an equivalent number of normal enemies?
bronze marten
They’ll be regular encounters that just don’t have flame wheels
Won’t otherwise raise or lower total enemy count
Tho prob less enemies since the exalted guys are probably worth a few baby chariots
terse thistle
Getting Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast in the same run *shreds*
Which I did 
mental mantle
The Sword is the last weapon I need to use to clear the game. Any suggested beginner builds or things to look out for?
Don’t want to spend much blood if possible since I don’t have much yet.
steel swan
positive outlook is pommable?
bronze marten
The Sword is the last weapon I need to use to clear the game. Any suggested begi...
If you’ve cleared it with the other five, you should have enough experience to do it with the sword too just on what you already know
Just go for it
You got this
heavy yoke
The Sword is the last weapon I need to use to clear the game. Any suggested begi...
Hi! new here but I've invested my fair amount of hours into this game,
Zagreus aspect is the nicest imo, its attack speed feels quite good and it synergizes a lot with crit or thunder builds
you can give that a shot and tell us what you think
proper furnace
zag sword speed doesnt affect dash strikes tho
which is more dps than normal combo
heavy yoke
positive outlook is pommable?
yes it is, although not recommended at all
better invest those on meaningful boons
boreal prism
Zag sword kinda weak
steel swan
yes it is, although not recommended at all
better invest those on meaningful b...
ik, was asking specifically to avoid it
because i know strong drink and the nectar one aren't
heavy yoke
I mean I agree it brings almost nothing to the table, the sword isn't even my favorite weapon (not even close lol) but its just I don't like its variants that much gameplay-wise
steel swan
really don't like early poms hitting random stuff
proper furnace
I mean I agree it brings almost nothing to the table, the sword isn't even my fa...
i mean nemesis is practically the same
just remember to use your special
heavy yoke
yep, well its almost appreciated in early stages, and since you can always purge em theres no big deal
heavy yoke
i mean nemesis is practically the same
weeell... I reeeeeally feel the bonus attack speed if you max out the aspect
lucid oar
Attack speed doesn't affect dash strikes
And dash strikes are the best way to use the sword if you want to squeeze out the most DPS possible
heavy yoke
I enjoy a lot the flurry strikes on the sword along with the attack speed and Zeus boons for example
I don't usually abuse dash strikes that much, but then again, I don't main the sword so you guys will know better
lunar pulsar
the only way I can enjoy playing sword is with poseidon
and that is because you use as little of the sword as possible and just spam the cast
heavy yoke
well how bout the buffy sword? king arthur's I think it was?
as slowly as it waves around, it hits pretty hard
artemis builds on that thing are fun
proper furnace
massive stick of death is fun, not something i do often but yes
heavy yoke
whats your favorite weapon?
proper furnace
hidden aspect of shield
heavy yoke
Hah, that one's pretty good
I love both Coronact and Hera's aspect, although I've been playing Demeter's aspect on malphon's lately and it's been tons of fun
terse thistle
Once you go Arthur the other sword aspects feels meh…
bronze marten
Once you go Arthur the other sword aspects feels meh…
ive heard nemesis is good, but havent seen it myself lol
terse thistle
ive heard nemesis is good, but havent seen it myself lol
Maybe I haven’t figured out nemesis yet, Arthur is what I call the one hidden aspect that aside from speed loss… has more pros over cons.
terse thistle
Looks like Artemis and Aphrodite works well with nemesis as well… I’ll have to try it when my Arthur streak is over…
bronze marten
heeeelp, Hades is so hard ,any tips?
How’s your mirror looking? How many runs in are you? What weapons?
sterile fiber
to spoiler stuff, put || before and after the words you want to spoiler
||like this||
bronze marten
this is builds and combat, i dont think spoilers are necessary here
just in new players thread
terse thistle
Spoilers are ok here it’s in the chat description
hollow hearth
Does anyone know what the rail does, damage wise, per bullet?
hollow hearth
10×24 is 240 for one mag, while
175%(10×12) is 150
Max zag is better than max eris
I have received validation and shall now fade from existence
hollow hearth
I was counting one mag specifically
modest umbra
How’s your mirror looking? How many runs in are you? What weapons?
Shadow Presence MAX, Death Defiance MAX, Greater Reflex MAX,Infernal Soul MAX, Deep Pockets MAX, Thick Skin MAX, Olympian Favor 15%, and about the weapons, i just discovered the use of titans blood lol
terse thistle
Imma need some context on why eris is good
edgy mauve
75% global damage is kinda good no?
its like a Pocket Rare RD that u can have up constantly
its Rare RD at home except no rng required
hollow hearth
What's RD? I'm not too familiar with all of the abbreviations
terse thistle
Brb gonna go watch an eris video
proper furnace
What's RD? I'm not too familiar with all of the abbreviations
rush delivery, bonus movement speed is converted to global damage (rarity affects how much of your extra speed gets converted into damage 50/70/100%)
pair it with hyper sprint and at common RD will give you 50% global damage
hollow hearth
Moving from rail to sword aspects, how do you rate them?
hollow hearth
rush delivery, bonus movement speed is converted to global damage (rarity affect...
Thanks
Arthur > Zag > Poseidon > Nemesis
sterile fiber
Shadow Presence MAX, Death Defiance MAX, Greater Reflex MAX,Infernal Soul MAX, D...
if you have a spare key, swap Olympian Favor for Dark Foresight
hollow hearth
Position and nemesis are interchangeable for me, seeing as I can't remember what nemesis does, and I've never used posiedon
sterile fiber
Abyssal soul might be helpful in slowing him down so you can dodge better
Nemesis: crit rate up for some time after using special
Poseidon: buffs cast damage, special dislodges casts (if applicable)
hollow hearth
Ok, then my rating stands firm
lone jetty
Bold, rating aspects you’ve never used
hollow hearth
I'd rather the list be complete, and use what knowledge I do have of the aspect
fading panther
Imma need some context on why eris is good
75% increased damage I half of what you get from, say, Hades spear or Achilles, but the difference here (and what makes Eris so much more stronger) is that Eris buffed global damage, while Achilles or Hades only buff attacks or casts
Global damage means everything you did that deals damage, except companions
So, attacks, DoTs, dashes, and other effects you can think of, are all buffed by Eris
The closest thing to a global damage buff on Eris, is Dionysus Strong Drink, on epic, that’s 35% max iirc
Eris maxed out is 75%
So, as you can see, big difference
untold cape
What does the "Cast Bonus" on the Twin Fists' "Aspect of the Talos" mean? It says "Magnetic Attack & Cast Bonus
(+10% / +20% / +30% / +40% / +50%)" on the wiki...
vivid crow
The closest thing to a global damage buff on Eris, is Dionysus Strong Drink, on ...
Hyper-Delivery combo also can hit like a truck tho its best for fast weapons
proper furnace
What does the "Cast Bonus" on the Twin Fists' "Aspect of the Talos" mean? It say...
your cast get extra damage
untold cape
your cast get extra damage
Really? That's insane. Thanks
fading panther
Hyper-Delivery combo also can hit like a truck tho its best for fast weapons
It’s harder to get though
But yeah, strong
vivid crow
Really? That's insane. Thanks
Yeah every weapon has an aspect that focuses on the cast w Eris being just a general buff
modest umbra
if you have a spare key, swap Olympian Favor for Dark Foresight
yesssssssssss
Hades DEFEATED
sterile fiber
Congrats! Enjoy your tour of Greece
hollow hearth
Now do it 9 more times
jovial walrus
If I have Strong Drink and Lasting Consequences 4, would fountains still do nothing? I am 100% sure they do nothing but I'd like to be reassured.
jovial walrus
pfft'
wintry gull
isnt eris rail reaally Hammer depenedent tho
proper furnace
If you want it for speedrunning/high heat? Yeah
jovial fulcrum
its strong with no hammers
proper furnace
Otherwise is more than fine
wintry gull
If you want it for speedrunning/high heat? Yeah
Ya
sterile fiber
If I have Strong Drink and Lasting Consequences 4, would fountains still do noth...
You still get the damage boost
fading nymph
Eris greatly benefits from the right hammers but it can do without them
lunar flare
Ow I forgot how bad Zag rail is
lucid oar
Yeah you really need spread fire for it to be decent
Or you can just play budget eris
Or merciful end
lunar flare
Or merciful end
I was just chilling but I did get ME and that made the run
Hestia is still Bestia though
Athena ended up swapping my Splash Dash for Divine Dash after Styx as well
edgy mauve
isnt eris rail reaally Hammer depenedent tho
not really eris OP benefits from clockets but its not needed AT ALL
tawdry sorrel
Eris definitely feels the most versatile weapon in the game
opaque wadi
Is bow special really has 10 base damage for each arrow? Found it on wiki but seems kinda low
edgy mauve
wiki is probably correct however im not sure
valid prism
Yeah 10 dmg per arrow
opaque wadi
ok makes sense after some thinking, otherwise chiron would be too broken
proven osprey
You can get concentrated volley to make that number skyrocket
iron locust
ok makes sense after some thinking, otherwise chiron would be too broken
Think less of it as a means of base damage but a good way to spread effects
Stuff like Doom, Zeus bolts, Athena Deflecting coverage, etc etc
lunar flare
Demeter special on Chiron hits just right 👌
terse coral
what's the deal with double arrows Hammer on bow?
seems like you're gimping yourself to me.
cunning urchin
How? You're doing literally double damage.
terse coral
It's just me being uncomfortable with it then
cunning urchin
Yeah probably.
fierce hare
im thinking of getting into higher heats like 32+ in the near future is it better if i start learning how to use the controller? or is controller not that different in terms of playing from key board and mouse
turbid needle
im thinking of getting into higher heats like 32+ in the near future is it bette...
Use what you are most comfortable with. That is all
The controller vs KBM argument only really kicks in when talking about the top of the top
And is marginal, at best
lone jetty
seems like you're gimping yourself to me.
Not really. Most baddies chase you down anyway so the distance reduction isn’t as bad as it sounds. In return, you do double damage.
valid prism
High heat has been conquered by both KBM and controller specialists so the difference is kinda slight and varies depending of the used aspect
fierce hare
High heat has been conquered by both KBM and controller specialists so the diffe...
hm cool thanks
valid prism
For an example, 3 runners only have done 24 aspects x 50 heat with videoproof: Hadesprof (KBM), Tailesque and retrash (controller)
Followed by Bright01 who stopped the grind around 20 clears (KBM)
indigo mauve
Yo, any tips vs Charon?
Don’t steal from Charon; get your bread up 💪
onyx grotto
Yeah, but i have quest from mojra book xd
I need second win vs him, 1st it's be lucky from me
valid prism
Meet him lately like once you have enough build
Projectiles are okay to dodge once you understand the patterns, the 2 other patterns can be dangerous: one when he does half a spin twice and the purple going back and forth from him
He also has a pulse wave around him that can stun but it's not harmful
The semi-spin requires to dash behind him or turning around him while being close
If you turn around him while being away you probably will take dmg
You still can use the dash at perfect timing to avoid dmg but it's not easy
And if it's only for prophecies' purposes you don't have to fill the Heat gauge
cunning urchin
The controller vs KBM argument only really kicks in when talking about the top o...
And even then, practice and experience trumps. No point in learning KBM when you've been using pad all this time and vice versa.
cunning urchin
im thinking of getting into higher heats like 32+ in the near future is it bette...
Most important if you want to get into high heat beyond 32 is learning to deal with TD3, FO2, and EM3.
remote bough
Hmm I can’t decide on fists and sword which to max out 😉
cunning urchin
#h1-high-heat-strategies is a better place to discuss 32+, though.
cunning urchin
Hmm I can’t decide on fists and sword which to max out 😉
Why not both?
remote bough
Sword it’s between Arthur & nemesis
Fists im not sure which to go for at all
As in which to max first
Bow I like Rama
Shield I like Beowulf
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect first.
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect are easily the best Fists.
cunning urchin
Zag Fists are second best tbh and only cost 5 to max.
Just... anything but Zag Sword lol.
Excalibur is the easiest to get wins with. You can just get so much eHP that you basically can't die.
So getting more damage reduction from higher levels is good.
Nemesis can get way better DPS but is a lot more risky to play.
cunning urchin
Poseidon allows for some unique Cast builds that can be fun. But if you've already maxed Achilles for Cast builds, you might wanna do Nemesis or Excalibur first.
remote bough
Nemesis seems to need quite a few boons to get going
marble shore
Just... anything but Zag Sword lol.
Nah, for the flurry + cursed slash built it's pretty useful
cunning urchin
That build isn't very good, though. It's like... good if you're not that experienced yet, I guess, and at low heats.
remote bough
My favourite I think I’ve played so far is hera bow
But I think Rama will overtake that for me once I get it down
marble shore
That build isn't very good, though. It's like... good if you're not that experie...
Ye, but it's pretty fun for like 15 heat or so
cunning urchin
Right. Just saying the build isn't very strong. It also relies on getting those two specific hammers.
remote bough
Is hera a one point wonder? Is there much of a benefit to maxing it?
cunning urchin
Hera is the best bow for DPS. Rama is best for very high heats. Chiron probably the easiest to play.
marble shore
I mostly use nemesis, tho using this build from time to time won't hurt anyone
cunning urchin
Hera levels help mainly with boss fights, but they do help a lot.
fierce hare
Most important if you want to get into high heat beyond 32 is learning to deal w...
oooo thanks okay ive actually done em3 and td3 im gonna try on getting used to fo2 but i also just wanna try out em4 in a few runs in the future see how ill do against it ive been doing runs with td2 and em3 recently just to get used to the time limit and stuff fo2 i tried once but rlly struggled in hades fight
cunning urchin
Anyway, if you want clears for more Titan Blood, Zag Sword isn't really the way to go. You can upgrade it later. The other swords are much stronger and easier to win with.
fierce hare
also okay ill move my future questions to the other channelsorry
bold sky
What are good builds for Hera bow?
fierce hare
generally u would want crush shot from aphro as your starting boon
steel swan
What are good builds for Hera bow?
aphro cast, poseidon or dio (with stygian soul)
get mirage shot as well if possible
bold sky
Got it thanks!
steel swan
np
cunning urchin
What are good builds for Hera bow?
I wrote a Hera guide for Crush Shot start here. #h1-discussion message
Boo.
bold sky
very appreciated, will make sure to check out!
lunar flare
How? You're doing literally double damage.
Even more, since it's not just a flat x2, but two chances to proc a crit
Which makes getting into Hunter's Mark super easy
lucid oar
Double damage without other boons
lunar flare
Right, of course
sterile fiber
also can hit through DC1
mental mantle
Lol, just got the triple special and rocket hammers with the Artemis special. This is silly
For the rail gun
proven osprey
what will it be when you'll get cluster bombs 
lucid oar
Rocket on its own is very good but cluster rockets is insane
opaque wadi
Could someone recommend good beginner(did 3 clears so far) build with a shield? Have 5 titan blood.
mental mantle
I had success with the base shield and the Ares special. Just doom enemies with your special and then play keep away
You can block a good bit as well
opaque zinc
I had success with the base shield and the Ares special. Just doom enemies with ...
If you wanna expand on this then you could use the zues aspect to increase the dmg done when the doom hits
opaque wadi
if I have Dionysus special, will '+X% special' effect affect it as well?
lucid oar
Not the hangover no
cunning urchin
boo you
Styx bot didn't let me post another link right after for my general cast build guide, but then I got distracted and never posted it lol.
languid forum
styx bot isn't very nice
untold cape
Does the Bow Aspect of Zagreus - +Critical Attack Chance % apply to any attack including attacks from Special, Cast, or Call? Or does it only apply it to the Attack only? Max for the aspect is 15%
proper furnace
Does the Bow Aspect of Zagreus - +Critical Attack Chance % apply to any attack i...
attack only
untold cape
Thanks @proper furnace ! Are you a super-user? Why is your name color like that?
proper furnace
check #bot-commands ww
rotund gust
I have flurry slash and piercing wave, I've created a monster
proper furnace
is known how much does the speeder BP affects enemies? i know it stacks with FO but idk if its +20% or more
acoustic vale
Vengeful mood is hilarious tbh. Probably not that good, but pretty funny
turbid needle
Hey so I finally got to ||pact of punishment hades and it is very difficult, fun though, any advice?||
untold cape
Hey so I finally got to ||pact of punishment hades and it is very difficult, fun...
Same with me today! Congrats! I'm playing with different weapons and builds right now to see where I want to invest my titan blood
Too bad you can't "trial" the aspects
wait can you try buying it and "give up" to reload and actually try it?
on the skelly?
untold cape
oh nice, thanks
proper furnace
as long you dont make the auto save pop up
untold cape
Oh, just try it and "Quit." Nice. Ty again for always answering questions
proper furnace
For reference purposes:
It was brought up during VOD review there isn't a reference list of unpommable non legendary non duo boons available from each god/goddess. Here it is:
Aphrodite
Life Affirmation
Broken Resolve
Blown Kiss (requires Crush Shot)
Ares
Blood Frenzy
Engulfing Vortex (requires Slicing Shot, Blade Dash, or Ares' Aid)
Dire Misfortune (requires Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain)
Artemis
none
Athena
Sure Footing
Deathless Stand
Last Stand
Demeter
Rare Crop
Nourished Soul
Ravenous Will
Arctic Blast (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Killing Freeze (requires Frost Strike, Frost Flourish, Mistral Dash, Demeter's Aid or Snow Burst)
Dionysus
Premium Vintage
Strong Drink
After Party
Poseidon
Ocean's Bounty
Sunken Treasure
Zeus
none
@fresh hornet
here bc too lazy to spoiler mark demeter
fresh hornet
Oh sick thanks !
proper furnace
and just in case, none of hermes can be pommed
south moat
would you recommend family fave or priv status for chiron build
proper furnace
depends on what chiron build
south moat
any examples
proper furnace
if you are gonna use artemis/aphro use family favs
hangover special gets better use of PS
bc you are getting 2 curses anyway (weak and hangover)
pulsar badger
whats a good boon build for Guan Yu? i dont have it leveled up but im doing a 2heat run and i just wanna make it to hades to fulfill the prophecy. winning would be nice though
austere rampart
whats a good boon build for Guan Yu? i dont have it leveled up but im doing a 2h...
ME is actually not terrible
Curse of Pain and Divine Strike
vivid crow
whats a good boon build for Guan Yu? i dont have it leveled up but im doing a 2h...
Aphro or Arty special and Athenas dash for safety is what i would recommend
pulsar badger
ME is actually not terrible
Curse of Pain and Divine Strike
ME?
austere rampart
Merciful End
pulsar badger
Aphro or Arty special and Athenas dash for safety is what i would recommend
ill keep an eye out thanks
pulsar badger
Merciful End
im guessing thats a hammer mod?
raw blade
yes
pulsar badger
i see
bronze marten
Takes a bit to set up but if you get it going you’re gonna win lol
pulsar badger
im only GY lv1 so this is like.. severely painful... but im on the hydra.. with one DD... lets see how it goes..
okay. um hydra is easy. nevermind
i just needed to take it slow which did eat into my TD time but whatevs
untold cape
I discovered this game over the weekend and played mostly blind. It was punishing without targeted builds.
Beating the run for 1st time was so satisfying
bronze marten
i just needed to take it slow which did eat into my TD time but whatevs
You got this
pulsar badger
oof the hammer mod for GY is so good o.o
god i f||ric||king hate chariots!
just lost my last death defiant...
pulsar badger
holy hell
yeah 70% sucks
im on my last life and my max health is 76 xD
just beat Theseus and Asterius tho
MOTHERF
bronze marten
proper furnace
How much hp does have high confidence guan yu at lvl 1? 
bronze marten
How much hp does have high confidence guan yu at lvl 1? <:dusa:52224877140954318...
20
proper furnace
whats high confidence?
+25% damage when you are over 80% of your max hp (instead of the +50 hp)
pulsar badger
btw zeus on atk for Guan Yu is actually really fun
oh that thing
that actually might be good with GY tho tbh
bronze marten
the mirror power you use if you're speedrunning and otherwise don't use lol
it's not worth having 15 health to start lol
bronze marten
for an advanced player sure, but for where rin is at, not recommended
pulsar badger
im like.. midlevel?
pulsar badger
i was an idiot and maxed all my rail aspects first..
bronze marten
that's not idiotic
deep lake
You take high confidence when you have high confidence...
bronze marten
eris go brrrrr
pulsar badger
although i am nearing the epilogue
bronze marten
You take high confidence when you have high confidence...
i'd say medium confidence at 15 hp to start lol
i had a 34 heat eris run yesterday that felt downright easy
deep lake
tartarus splitting bolt
That's always a fun one
deep lake
Done it before
proper furnace
I've done high confidence guan yu for than keepsake memes
Barely over 100 hp by dad
deep lake
I only play guan yu when I REALLY hate myself that day
deep lake
It's not too bad when you max it out
bronze marten
but it's like, yeah i play it when i hate myself that day lol
proper furnace
tbf i only play guan yu when i start seeded charged skewer
bronze marten
there it is lol
deep lake
Alright time to do a fresh file run lmao wish me luck
proper furnace
Have fun 
bronze marten
pulsar badger
oh thank god two-sack
okay thats two ambrosia
now for maximum effort trying to beat Hades...
9:41 left on my TD so i should be able to take my time
bronze marten
proper furnace
Poke him until its dead
bronze marten
yep. take a deep breath then go put more holes in him than he does you
you got this
proper furnace
Spear main vs spear main here we go
untold cape
Completed my 1st run today with the fists.
Beat it the 2nd time just now a bow.
I'm experimenting on weapons before I invest my titan bloods XD
Is there a meta? Seems like all the weapons are viable
bronze marten
Completed my 1st run today with the fists.
Beat it the 2nd time just now a bow....
yep youll find what you like
but youre correct, all weapons are viable
some require more googling than others
and practice
untold cape
That's awesome... yeah.. having a lot of fun fulfilling the weapon upgrade prophecies for all the weapons
bronze marten
but you can win with any weapon on any heat
it will require significantly more effort (i got 32 on eris rail two months before i got 32 on anything else)
untold cape
some require more googling than others
yeah i just did heat 1 to test the waters on my baby bow
bronze marten
haha yeah, not a bad approach
bronze marten
level 1 guan yu is rough fam
pulsar badger
then the final phase he spawns 2 voidstones who are shielding 3 bright archers
I WAS DOING JUST FINE TIL THEY SHOWED UP
im so sad T.T
untold cape
@pulsar badger Have you beaten him yet or are you just trying Guan Yu?
pulsar badger
they killed me
pulsar badger
<@!226029495566598145> Have you beaten him yet or are you just trying Guan Yu?
ive got over 20 clears i think rn
bronze marten
i got that, but if you came that close with level 1 guan yu
pulsar badger
im just getting aspects to hades for ambrosia to finish out the story
bronze marten
you'll win your next two runs just because of how much looser you'll be without such low HP
psy op'ing yourself
pulsar badger
gotta give one to dionysus and get athena to stop talking about dumb crap and give me my dialogues to unlock her
but i have the ambrosia. and im not doing that again til GY is maxed
bronze marten
oh do another with a different weapon
pulsar badger
and honestly ill probly not try a GY run til ive cleared with every aspect before it lol
pulsar badger
yeah ik lol
bronze marten
is an apt metaphor
untold cape
It probably wouldn't take me so long if I stop listening to all the conversations. But they're sooo damn goooood!
pulsar badger
although that probly made me way better with Varatha regardless
dont think it will translate well to other weapons tbh
bronze marten
It probably wouldn't take me so long if I stop listening to all the conversation...
i'd encourage you to let yourself just enjoy the story. it's so well written, most of us stopped to listen lol
bronze marten
dont think it will translate well to other weapons tbh
general evasion does translate across weapons
pulsar badger
yeah even during speedruns ill let dialogue play if ive never heard it before
untold cape
i'd encourage you to let yourself just enjoy the story. it's so well written, mo...
I listen to almost all character dialogues. Great writing and voice acting
and boy.... it's A LOT
makes me appreciate the grind... and you best believe I'll be grinding for all those aspects
wanton garnet
Are there any weapons that go well with Ares without Merciful End? I'm trying to get the last few duo boons I need to complete the prophecy
pulsar badger
Are there any weapons that go well with Ares without Merciful End? I'm trying to...
Zag rail
stack doom atk, dire misfortune, and impending doom. Boss melter
bronze marten
Are there any weapons that go well with Ares without Merciful End? I'm trying to...
Which duos you need?
proven osprey
dont think it will translate well to other weapons tbh
It does translate very well. My first 40 heat was Guan Yu, was painful. But after than, I only needed one try for almost every other aspect
pulsar badger
guys help
proven osprey
Aspects that I barely played before
pulsar badger
im doing an Eris run. basically no heat, but... i currently have
Zeus Atk
Athena Sp
Athena Dash
Zeus Cast
Pos Call
i just got a Pos and i cant decide between getting rid of Divine dash for Tidal Dash, or getting Sea Storm
please note i currently have only one dash because im using the mirror thingy
solar dawn
Sea storm currently does basically nothing for you
solar dawn
Basically nothing
Poseidon call scales really well with poms, 40 more damage isn't much for it
pulsar badger
so i should go with the dash even with only one dash?
solar dawn
Depends if you feel youll be ok without divine dash, divine dash is safer
What's the third option?
pulsar badger
oceans bounty.
wanton garnet
Athena Dash is good even if you only have one dash
pulsar badger
but... splash dash.... lol
wanton garnet
Which duos you need?
Ares/Aphro, Ares/Poseidon, Ares/Artemis, Ares/Demeter and Athena/Demeter
solar dawn
oceans bounty.
Is this a darkness farming run or bounties?
pulsar badger
neither
wanton garnet
Personally, I think Tidal Dash is the one that really shines when you have multiple dashes. Corner an enemy and slam them into a wall over and over
pulsar badger
im trying to clear so i can finish with all the different mods on the mirror
solar dawn
Splash dash is better on greater reflex yeah
I'd take either oceans or sea storm to sell
pulsar badger
then just get sea storm and hope a sell fountain appears with the option?
really wish oceans bounty just increased teh drops in general. itd make side hustle so good lol
solar dawn
Ye I like chaos' cuz it affects the lil vases too
Was getting like 400 per Styx tunnel once with it
pulsar badger
Okay o.o ik Cluster bomb is the way to go with Eris usually but... i also have shotgun and flurry fire o.o
should i just go cluster? ive heard spread fire is really nice on eris tho o.o
screw it. might ruin my run but im doing it anyway. ive always wanted to do a run with spread and ive always been chicken to do so
oh man that is really short spread. thisll be fun
ugh dang demeter hurts in theseus's fight lol
man the controls are touchy to not fire two bullets at once
athena keeps giving me her DD stuff but im already at full DDs lol
bought everything in charons shop except the diamond lol
delicate tusk
yeap, it's pretty good for accumulating boons
But early boons are more valuable IMO
Not to mention styx boons are more expensive than normal
pulsar badger
well thats that. cleared everything with all the mirror mods
wanton garnet
Do you need both stygian soul and lambent plume to get Hermes's other legendary boon or just one of them?
vivid crow
well thats that. cleared everything with all the mirror mods
Mirror mods?
pulsar badger
the stuff you get from the mirror
vivid crow
Oh i gotchu
pulsar badger
i guess you could call them buffs too but mods seemed more accurate in my head
vivid crow
Do you need both stygian soul and lambent plume to get Hermes's other legendary ...
Do you mean Bad News?
wanton garnet
Yes
vivid crow
He has two legendaries depending on which mirror upgrade you have
And lambent plume is a pre requisite for both
So yes to ur original question lol
turbid needle
all hammer upgrades have the same chance of appearing
wintry gull
ive done 5+ runs without getting it even once 😭
iron locust
Killing Freeze + Hunter's Mark + PP might be one of my favorite crowd mixers ever
If you get Decay rolling, PP can occur at any time, and it could spread like wildfire, prompting many Marks to spawn
It's not build worthy, but it is something to boost your crit rates
opaque wadi
Does Billowing Strength affect the actual Call damage? For example Artemis
proper furnace
Yes it does
acoustic vale
If you get Decay rolling, PP can occur at any time, and it could spread like wil...
Wait, decay can crit???
proper furnace
I think only shared suffering from rama and maim cant
turbid needle
Mirror mods. What’s best selection to go for? Or is it personal preference and style related
proper furnace
Weapon/playstyle dependant, yeah
Outside of dark foresight/fated persuasion (and some may use authority still ig)
hollow roost
any good build ideas for chaos shield
spiral horizon
Okay fellas
I'm trying to figure out the best build for the shield
I have all aspects as options
I've heard the one that lets you shoot multiple shields after a bull rush is great but
My playstyle tends to be intense button mashing
Unless I'm playing far away with the bow ig
So remembering to bullrush during all the chaos around me is difficult
So is there a better aspect for me?
proper furnace
zeus aspect lets you throw the special and it will do its own thing while you can mash the attack so maybe that ig?
spiral horizon
True, kinda sucks that it just kinda floats around randomly tho
Wish it would like... Circle around you for a bit or something lol
I do get more use out of it than the throwing multiple, for sure
proper furnace
you can spam the special so it goes out, hit whatever is in front on you then recall it constantly
spiral horizon
True, true
Maybe with some hermes boons it'd be fast enough to work
I also have the hidden aspect as an option but I forget what it does lol
proper furnace
you load your casts into your attack, making your the bullrush stronger, and at the end of it you release all the casts loaded
like hera aspect of the bow but your cast dont get lodged, they are more like an explosion
(think of dio cast for example)
spiral horizon
Hmm OK, so sounds like my best bet is either Zag or the blitz disk aspect then
Probably the latter
Bull rush might would be okay if I focused on upping its damage first thing?
Well, the artifact I've learned to use every run first is Athena
Gotta get them deflectssss
acoustic vale
Athena good
spiral horizon
Then I switch to the Black Shawl for as long as I can?
If necessary before Hades I'll switch to the extra DD
However I'm wondering, is there a better method than sticking with Black Shawl?
I have all normal AFs except the final
proper furnace
most people use god keepsakes in tartarus/aspho to get the main gods used in whatever build they want then switch to things like charon/acorn/lucky tooth for elysium and styx
what does black shawl anyways
lucid oar
I think it's the one that is like a combination of fiery and shadow presence
proper furnace
oh yup, just checked
spiral horizon
Black Shawl is +20% damage from behind and to undamaged enemies
It's p good with the spear especially
But not half bad in general
Maybe shouldn't have kept it for the sword run this time lol, tho gotta admit this sword is hitting hard this time
Knock on wood
I'm already at cerberus and have only lost one DD
My main concern is I wish I'd have saved up more cash
Cuz my boy Charon selling a diamond today
Yoooooooo bouldy gives you bonuses?!?
Hell yeah bouldy
spiral horizon
Yo just got blizzard shot first time
And ho boy
This guy does damage
Prob one of my favorite duos so far
What's the duo of? Dementer and ares? Or what?
proper furnace
demeter-poseidon
spiral horizon
Deffo gonna have to try for that combo more often!
This is a shockingly good run for the sword
I forget what aspect I'm using tho
proper furnace
you can check your boon list with - (on switch at least, idk other systems)
spiral horizon
Yeah my boons but it doesn't tell me my aspect afaik
spiral horizon
Quick q
So, the 4 diamond contractor thing that awards gems after defeating Underworld bosses
Does that replace the darkness reward?
Or do you get both?
proper furnace
both
spiral horizon
Ooooooo
Hype for that
Need 3 more diamonds tho
Time to defeat some hydras ig
Is there literally any reason other than darkness price, to use God's Pride over God's legacy?
proper furnace
god's pride also afffects hermes boons and chaos (hermes going from 3% epic to 23%)
most of your hermes boons really wants rarity more than others
and sometimes you dont need duos/legendaries
spiral horizon
Which do you put yours on?
proper furnace
depends on the build
if playing something like eris where is nice having a duo but not needed i go for epic
if doing beowulf im going legendary/duo
tough lance
god Quick Recovery and Divine Dash is such a good duo
spiral horizon
Which God gives divine dash?
Basically I get that one in that duo is Hermes, who is the other?
tough lance
athena
spiral horizon
Love me an athena
Athena and Ares are prob my faves
Athena got them deflects
And if you can get the dashing blade rifts from Ares as well? You're sitting pretty at least through most of Asphodel I'd say
spiral horizon
I'm in Asphodel about to hit the hydra
And I've got boons of Demeter to pick
One of them is Rare Crop
Your boons become common, then gain rarity every 3 encounters. This one only affects 1 boon
However the other options are her Call, or the chill casting
Thoughts?
bronze marten
rare crop is essentially 3/6/9 poms based on rarity
use that to help you do the math
boreal dock
omfg artemis' marking + hangover on attack in theseus&asterius fight makes the mark just jump back and forth on its own lmao
acoustic vale
When Rare Crop chooses your common level boons and there's no downside
opaque wadi
I've seen one of the guides for chiron bow recommending dionysus special, but doesn't it stack only to 5? Most of tough opponents will need multiple volleys, each 8+ so we kinda wasting the poison no?
lucid oar
Dionysus special does a lot of damage though, don't think of it as wasted shots
bronze marten
I've seen one of the guides for chiron bow recommending dionysus special, but do...
Aphro attack and duo makes this 8
opaque wadi
Aphro attack and duo makes this 8
oh, now it makes sense, didn't know about that one.
bronze marten
You’re not wrong that you’re leaving some damage on the table, but you’d keep firing specials regardless 🙂 I’d advise ya to not overthink it, max hangover is a good outcome for one button press!
Also ares for that duo is fun - hangover hits every .35 sec rather than every .5
proven osprey
it's not like you miss damage honestly
You do if you go dionysus and get concentrated/relentless volley
which are really fine to get anyway but would be more power with a % boon
cunning urchin
Drunken Flourish is all about spreading Hangover to everyone rather than focusing on a single target.
lucid moth
no its not, exploding launcher>serrated by a ton
lucid moth
SORRY I HAD TO
proven osprey
lmao
lucid oar
💀
lucid moth
being an idiot is my job
proven osprey
I really want to answer yes
I don't think the power it grants is worth the risk at high heat
but I mainly talk about Guan Yu here
It's strong without a doubt
lucid moth
Serrated point is good?
only on zeus or artemis
unreal tree
Serrated point is good?
terrible usually
lucid moth
^^^^^^^
bronze marten
Yeah didn’t think so was just confused
proven osprey
triple dash strike is strong
cunning urchin
Serrated Point is also really good with Drunken Strike, Frost Strike, Heartbreak Strike...
lucid moth
the issue is that hades spear already has low base damage so tripling it doesnt do too much
thats why percentage based attacks kinda suck on it
proven osprey
you're on controller Lando?
cunning urchin
No idea for speedruns, might be too slow for that. But it's excellent for high heat.
lucid moth
thats why percentage based attacks kinda suck on it
but on special, with exploding launcher, percentage based stuff is rlly op
bronze marten
you're on controller Lando?
Yes
proven osprey
Ok, so when playing serrated point you'd rather do the dash and attack input separately for more precision
spamming dash strike with it is weird
lucid moth
yea
delayed dash strikes
one example is with hades spear, hold spin, hit dash button then attack, it will come out as a dash strike
sorry if it sounds weird
bronze marten
Word, yeah I usually push both dash and attack together on one finger movement
bronze marten
one example is with hades spear, hold spin, hit dash button then attack, it will...
No apology necessary, it made sense
proven osprey
Word, yeah I usually push both dash and attack together on one finger movement
it's usually fine though, it's faster
except if you want to delay the strike to get an iframe in between
proven osprey
yeah tbh it feels super cool
cunning urchin
% attacks are fine. Heartbreak Strike can easily reach damage thresholds and often more consistently than Deadly Strike, Deadly Strike scales well with the aspect's bonus damage, Frost Strike stacks Chill quickly, Divine Strike deflects, Tempest Strike can get Sea Storm and you can get a lot of mileage out of wall-slams.
bronze marten
Where would you want heart rend over aphro attack @cunning urchin
I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of those two together (aphro dash for sword, special for Rama and Eris, hell made it work on fists once as a goof)
But wouldn’t say no to something stronger
cunning urchin
Where would I want a core boon from Lady Artemis over one from Lady Aphrodite? Are you really asking me that.
cunning urchin
proven osprey
Heart Rend is cool
bronze marten
proven osprey
it's a bit overkill when you're not fighting a boss though
bronze marten
i feel like i do better with rama artemis start
solar dawn
it's a bit overkill when you're not fighting a boss though
overkill is the best kind of kill
cunning urchin
Heart Rend works best on crit aspects.
proven osprey
Yeah, deadly strike and hunter dash are nice on rama
opaque wadi
so I built the dion/aphro build(chiron bow), got the dual for it and so far damage is insane, more than in crit build I run a couple of times before
lucid moth
Where would I want a core boon from Lady Artemis over one from Lady Aphrodite? A...
everywhere, artemis core boons best core boons
sorry
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike Rama is sad.
lucid moth
i was paid 200 dollars to say that
proven osprey
However on slow aspects, heartbreak strike feels nice because it's consistent
bronze marten
eh, worth a shot
ive had more luck w artemis
but i think ive also had more luck with twin shot than anything
proper furnace
im a fan of artemis rama but having easy access to smoldering and good damage is great
bronze marten
smoldering is pretty damn good
cunning urchin
That, too. Lady Aphrodite's Duo Boons are just better.
bronze marten
my first like, four 32 wins were all smoldering cheese
proven osprey
ive had more luck w artemis
Arty is nice with twin and triple shot on Rama, and chaos scaling (attack/dash strike)
lucid oar
Yeah if you get like a +112% dash strike chaos, deadly strike becomes so good
Or a hammer like point blank
proven osprey
besides that, well yeah that's the downside of arty, low base damage
bronze marten
yeah, makes sense
proven osprey
however you should not spit on deadly strike with a weapon that has such a strong base damage
bronze marten
yeah, my heart rend rama builds have been the strongest
proven osprey
here is aphrodite potential scaling :
opaque hare
when do you guys pick myrmidon bracer
proven osprey
never
bronze marten
when i needed to level it and the one time i did it four times in a row thinking patty would care
proven osprey
damage reduction is pretty good but it's too inconsistent
cunning urchin
Rama scales poorly with Hunter's Mark, too. You want your first shot to kill most enemies, generally. And your rate of fire is low, so you won't be proccing Hunter's Mark quickly to spread it reliably.
Twin Shot and Triple Shot do a lot more for Heartbreak Strike because they're base damage. The % hammers are better average DPS on Deadly Strike on a target with infinite HP but only on enemies with finite HP if you can hit damage breakpoints more reliably.
Heartbreak Flourish prevents you from getting higher damage from Thunder Flourish, Curse of Pain, or Drunken Flourish, so using that to enable Heart Rend is an opportunity cost. Passion Dash does good base damage but prevents you from getting Hunter Dash. So the options to enable Heart Rend all have an opportunity cost on Rama, Hunter's Mark scaling is poor, and the best Rama hammers aren't % hammers. That leaves you with only really Master Chaos boons to scale your damage.
lucid oar
With aphro you can just do a lot of damage with your call instead
cunning urchin
Yep.
bronze marten
gotcha. ok aphro, let's do this
lucid oar
Uh oh, I'm an Aphrodite convert
cunning urchin
Excellent Duo Boons with all of the three best Special boons on Rama, too.
Life Affirmation is amazing.
turbid needle
Just had my first experience with EM3 - that's one hell of an upgrade difficulty wise. I get the feeling it might have been easier to kill Theseus first?
lucid oar
I like to get Asterius out of the way first, his spin is hard to dodge with forced overtime
cunning urchin
Lady Artemis doesn't have one boon on the tier of Life Affirmation or Weak for higher heats tbh. She does damage and nothing else.
lucid oar
Lightning rod
cunning urchin
damage and nothing else
turbid needle
I like to get Asterius out of the way first, his spin is hard to dodge with forc...
Yeah, that's what I went for out of habit. being confined to the middle of the arena is a total flip to how I managed that fight previously
cunning urchin
Lightning Rod is a Duo Boon, anyway.
cunning urchin
Ah yes.
Anti-utility.
She does damage and makes other things worse.
Like this then?
lucid oar
Sometimes she does nothing at all
Hunters instinct
Literally a worse support fire on nearly every aspect
cunning urchin
Or during her trials.
She does nothing there.
EM3 is just a matter of practice. It's not too bad if you're not using FO.
turbid needle
Guys how do i get the Flame Wheel Release in Charon shop
pls
50 runs and still never had it
solar dawn
it only appears in elysium
lunar pulsar
check all of the wells
turbid needle
It's the only one missing for me
lunar pulsar
use persuasion on them if you only care about getting the list done
lunar pulsar
green side of the final mirror upgrade
proper furnace
Excellent Duo Boons with all of the three best Special boons on Rama, too.
Is ares-aphro duo that good?
cunning urchin
It's pretty good.
lucid oar
It's just not used because ME is so broken
turbid needle
i mean, 45 times and i dont get it, weird
cunning urchin
The only "problem" with Curse of Longing is that Merciful End exists, yeah.
turbid needle
so i wont ever complet the list i guess
proper furnace
I've only got it for chiron with dire misfortune so never noticed the effect, which is fair
lucid oar
The only time I've seen it used well is in haelians AFK EM4 run
It might be good in high heats, like a budget cold fusion
But halving damage is so sad
turbid needle
how much runs did u do to finish the games guys
cunning urchin
Doom on its own is best when it just kills off enemies for you, so you can focus on other enemies instead.
But it stops doing that reliably in later biomes, they're often alive with pixel health or something.
Curse of Longing makes it do that again.
lucid oar
Yeah
lucid oar
Nice
It varies hugely, but it doesn't have an affect on how good you can be on the future
turbid needle
Im at 50 runs i feel like im near the end i guess, i need to finish all the orange item to give to all gods
lucid oar
Hades was my first ever roguelike
But I can now say that I am good at the game (self-proclaimed)
turbid needle
Yea wasnt my 1st roguelike
cunning urchin
But I can now say that I am good at the game (self-proclaimed)
What's your highest heat?
cunning urchin
I see.
lucid oar
Low heater 
cunning urchin
Yeah no. 51 unmodded is the threshold for good.
lucid oar
Oops
turbid needle
i tried 64 once and its too hard without the mirror passives lol
lucid oar
I am okay then
cunning urchin
64 has been done only once, and only routed.
lucid oar
What's your highest heat?
What's your fastest time?
turbid needle
64 has been done only once, and only routed.
damn how
The 5mins timer makes it so hard
is it possible without the gun weapon
cunning urchin
You can find it on the high heat leaderboard under seeded.
Pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
onyx grotto
Sniper shot for Bow.. how many units need to be activate?
lucid oar
There is an indicator when you charge each attack
I don't know the exact value, but it's pretty far away
cunning urchin
What's your fastest time? <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
14:35 RTA.
turbid needle
Which is pretty respectable from a speedruning point of view
onyx grotto
There is an indicator when you charge each attack
Oh, i see now. I wondered what is this.
THanks
cunning urchin
Which is pretty respectable from a speedruning point of view
I would hope a WR at the time is pretty respectable.
cunning urchin
M sure I could get way better times if I actually cared to try for more than 2 days before I get bored of resets and go back to other things.
Modded PB is 7:00.
cunning urchin
Ew.
lucid oar
But that would mean not starting aphro keepsake
on Eris?
cunning urchin
I don't really play Eris.
I mean I play it.
But not as obsessively as speedrunners do.
lucid oar
My PB was my first Eris run in weeks
There were so many dumb things I did
But it's hard to not PB when you get c33 patty and c34 fountain
cunning urchin
Yeah.
lucid oar
Oh man I just realised that I'd have a 6:1x if you slapped my Eris Styx+dad onto my Achilles tart-elysium
Gosh darn
I guess that's for another run
cunning urchin
I think all my best segments from modded add up to 6:15 or something?
cunning urchin
I think I did modded for 1 or 2 days, got 7:00, and then got bored with it.
lucid oar
Fair enough
I'm getting a bit bored of grinding as well tbh
I'm not pushing for sub 7 all weaps
cunning urchin
You'll better keep your insanity if you just focus on bringing your average down rather than your PB, in my experience.
You can actually gauge progress from run to run.
When focusing on PB, you can be playing a lot better than in your PB but get a worse time.
Hard to gauge skill progress because RNG is such a big factor for PBs.
lucid oar
Yeah
Idk, I'm basically never getting >4:00 Asphodel exits anymore
Before, a 3:4x would be rare
Now it's the norm
So I'm happy with that
cunning urchin
The 7:00 was more of an accident with lucky rooms, I was just focusing on bringing my average time down to sub 8, which I did.
lucid oar
Both my sub 7s skipped 33 and 34, I'm not at the level where I can turn every run into a sub 7
opaque hare
how much spare wealth do you get for the 300$ pomegranate when you have no boons?
cunning urchin
Less than you've paid.
opaque hare
welp. i died to em4. i had hoardin slash +5000 and shackles
opaque hare
Less than you've paid.
i got 405 for them
but i had a chaos boon that gave me 80% of obols
iron locust
Wait, decay can crit???
With Mark and PP, anything can crit. Funnier still is when you deflect a poison dart to a marked Satyr, the poison is then crit affected, melting them almost instantly
proper furnace
With Mark and PP, anything can crit. Funnier still is when you deflect a poison ...
except maim and shared suffering
acoustic vale
~~except maim and shared suffering~~
They should change this