Tidal dash means no divine dash, pass!
#h1-builds-and-combat
solar dawn
lucid oar
Man I wish I could guarantee divine dash
untold iris
what are the typical mods that are used?
untold iris
i just play on switch so no mods for me :^)
lucid oar
what are the typical mods that are used?
It's just the speedrunning modpack, nothing gamebreaking
So no stat changes or anything like that
Stuff like guaranteed 2 sack, no barge, no vermin, choose first hammer
Stuff that you'd reset on
Saves time
solar dawn
Does it have the starting boon thing?
lucid oar
No
untold iris
oh so its basically semi-routed
solar dawn
What's choose first hammer then?
lucid oar
Means that you get to select a hammer in the courtyard, and when you first come across a hammer, it will be that one
But it won't necessarily be in chamber 1
lucid oar
Weapons like achilles spear, you suicide the run if you don't get flurry jab anyway
solar dawn
Yeah
untold iris
why doesnt the modpack have first room anyways
i feel like thats something that is easy to reset for
solar dawn
The starting boon selector mod is nice, but I only use it for like low heat or meme runs I don't wanna reset for
untold iris
but if the community thinks its fine then its whatever
i dont speedrun so it doesnt matter to me
lucid oar
i do feel like removing bad rng is pushing it a bit
It doesn't just churn out fast runs for you
solar dawn
They go in the modded catagoryo n the site
lucid oar
Yeah everything's seperate
untold iris
oh, the separate category is fine then
solar dawn
And it's still hard even with a good seed to get a top spot
lucid oar
I posted my sub 7 modded run on Reddit and it got loads of comments saying that I was cheating 
lucid oar
When everyone's super, no one will be
solar dawn
Please stop cheating. I'm calling greg
austere rampart
:o
lucid oar
I'm sorry I can't handle another low 5 minute Elysium exit being 4 sacked 
austere rampart
Please stop cheating. I'm calling greg
Who knew Greg could scrap???
solar dawn
I just want asterius miniboss chamber to not be as common
solar dawn
I get him so often and he takes so much longer than the ball
lucid oar
It's removed in the modpack
solar dawn
Oh damn
solar dawn
Every Ely miniboss I did for my 32 sword was asterius
lucid oar
Still not ideal in IGT though
solar dawn
Drove me nuts
solar dawn
Still not ideal in IGT though
I mean yeah, butterfly is just meg summon then some cleanup, asterius just shrugs meg off
untold iris
i try not to take TD3 for 32 heat
i can consistently beat the game in the TD2 time limit but it doesnt happen all the time with TD3
and I really dont like the idea of my run dying to the timer
austere rampart
My first EM4 clear was with 14 health and no DD against hades
I was just spamming Nemesis ME
lucid oar
Looking back at that run, so many small things saved it, for example buying a cast braid just before the sack
languid forum
how good is cruel thrust on zag sword
also what's a good zag sword build
apart from ME
acoustic vale
Arthur with heartbreak strike
untold iris
artemis/aphrodite is a good sword build
also cruel thrust is kind of bad
the thrust is such a bad move that you rarely want to use it
acoustic vale
artemis/aphrodite is a good sword build
Does using both of them together work? It seems like they'd both want the attack slot
acoustic vale
Nearing the end of Elysium, it might help to pick a third deity for the pool sfdkf
small stirrup
Hey guys, just got back into the game after a really long time and wanted to do a run, anyone care to be my fates and decide what weapon to run?
boreal prism
Just pick the thirsty one
small stirrup
So spear, aspect?
boreal prism
Got GY?
lucid oar
I used a random number generator, it landed on 16 which is Rama
boreal prism
Cool, gl with that
small stirrup
Aight! See you guys in a bit hopefully 
terse thistle
Arthur with heartbreak strike
I love that one…
sterile fiber
gee Fated Authority, how come the devs let you have Eight (8) charges?
untold vortex
It used it have 10 in early access
sterile fiber
spare some for Persuation...
acoustic vale
Either whoever said you can reset after grabbing an anvil is a liar, or my game is bugged, because I can't do that
RIP this run
boreal prism
What'd you end up with
acoustic vale
Cursed slash. Like any time I use the anvil
boreal prism
:3 that's the anvil for ya
delicate tusk
spare some for Persuation...
laughs in persuasiveness https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860031536110764072/879218888284471306/unknown.png
Before you ask, yes, mods
proper furnace
what in hades name is that 
acoustic vale
:3 that's the anvil for ya
Is the anvil EVER good? Like I've literally never seen or heard of it giving anything that didn't ruin a run
boreal prism
The better your run is, the less good it is to take the anvil
Take it if you think you're gonna lose
Also if you're gonna take it, maybe take it before you go through chambers, so you can get used to the new hammer
acoustic vale
I only took it because people kept telling me I could Quit out if it was bad. Thankfully, for the first time in my 197.2 hours of Hades, cursed slash DIDN'T instantly kill the run and I actually pulled it off
Thank god for that chaos defiance boon
untold iris
ive taken the anvil on zeus aspect before in a run that wasnt doomed
there are literally zero detrimental hammers for that aspect, so if the two hammers you get aren't exciting you might as well anvil to reroll
acoustic vale
Correction: Steam hadn't updated the time, it's 200.2 hours
But imagine if the effects of cursed slash had a counterpart on fists, now THAT might be really good
boreal prism
Theres the hammer where you heal when you kill with uppercut
acoustic vale
Yeah but that's the uppercut. It would be really good on fists because fists hit super fast but not super hard so you'd presumably heal super fast
boreal prism
Yeah it would be too good
If you wanna heal to full really easily all the time, play GY
outer quail
Is the anvil EVER good? Like I've literally never seen or heard of it giving any...
once it took away Sniper Shot and gave me Perfect Shot + Point-Blank Shot
loved that
toxic siren
YOOOOOOOOOOO
I got a 50% pierced butterfly yesterday!!!!!!
Guan yu charged skewer best build.
lucid kelp
Hello, what are the best aspects with dionysus keepsake?
boreal prism
you could do gun, or fist, putting hangover on atk
or chiron bow, putting the hangover on special
lucid kelp
Ok thx
solar dawn
@turbid needle the skulls go around half the map when they explode
generally worth killing if theres more than 2 on the map
turbid needle
I can't get to the skulls before hades decides to attack me
I'm using Coronacht btw
solar dawn
use the pillars in the middle, his path finding around them is kinda wonky
which aspect are you on?
turbid needle
Chiron
toxic siren
Chiron best bow
turbid needle
My current build is Aphro Attack Dio build, and if I can I'll get an Artemis boon. Zeus/Ares cast, Athena Dash.
turbid needle
Chiron best bow
Dio Special on Chiron is amazing
solar dawn
Artemis special on chiron is also really good
toxic siren
Dio Special on Chiron is amazing
E yes
solar dawn
keeping your distance from hades is really important, his attacks come out pretty fast and if you're close its hard to dodge
toxic siren
but arty special, heart rend is amazing too
If you're gonna dio special, go curse of nausea too
turbid needle
I think when I died I also had broken heart, and slowed Hades when he had Hangover
turbid needle
If you're gonna dio special, go curse of nausea too
If that's a mirror thing I've not maxed it out yet
I have to get 20 keys
toxic siren
If that's a mirror thing I've not maxed it out yet
curse of nausea is a duo boon
of Ares and Dionysus.
valid prism
Dio special, Priviledged Status from the mirror and Aphro atk and you can have pretty dmg + Low tolerance duo if lucky
ashen pendant
Is there any consensus on the best Mirror of of Night upgrades?
raw spindle
Is there any consensus on the best Mirror of of Night upgrades?
Ill send u link to the guide in dm
turbid needle
boiling blood, greater reflex, thick skin, dark foresight and fated persuasion are important the rest is super variable
high confidence instead of thick skin if you speedrun but I assume no
proper furnace
global buffs are nice 
iron locust
All the crits in the world with Nemesis couldn't help me come close to beating EM4
Had Deadly Reversal, Artemis Attack, Athena Dash Special and Call
lucid oar
Did you have any other sources of attack/global/dash strike damage?
lucid oar
And did you have double edge
iron locust
Well I had Shadow Slash, was hoping to get Double Edge but no luck
lucid oar
Shadow slash sadly doesn't affect dash strikes
iron locust
I also had Battle Rage, Frozen Touch (procs PS)
WHAT
Man now I know
Jeez that's sad
Anything I should note?
acoustic vale
Cats are nice, note that
iron locust
This is like my second time encountering EM4, first time I was like "man what's the big deal" and died
turbid needle
melee is harder than ranged or shield for em4 for sure
acoustic vale
Why?
iron locust
That was the build I was going for
turbid needle
less hoping more adapting
iron locust
Well Deadly Reversal + Call is insane
acoustic vale
Why would you willingly go for cursed blade
iron locust
The idea for me was Call + Deadly Reversal
Cursed Blade is one that hasn't failed me
Just need to dodge more effectively
Athena's Aid + Artemis Attack + Nemesis + Deadly Reversal + PP= 70% crit chance, which didn't make it for me it would seem
turbid needle
heartrend is more dmg
iron locust
Oh yeah
Forgot about Heartrend
Well, that was that attempt, I'll try something else
proper furnace
aphro attack can be nice and zeus call for smoldering air
fading panther
Isn’t it better to just pump up your base damage rather than just trying to get astronomical crit chance? I mean, there must be a point where you’d want a good ratio of crit damage vs crit chance
acoustic vale
100% crit chance
proper furnace
wont be good if your base damage is lame
proper furnace
with hunter mark would possible
acoustic vale
If you put 96 poms into pressure point you get it
proper furnace
How does battle rage works with bow special? Does all the volley get the extra damage or only the first arrow?
bronze marten
Isn’t it better to just pump up your base damage rather than just trying to get ...
i had one run with rama, artemis attack athena special and dash, got deadly reversal and then traded in artemis for a heroic 90% demeter (with the critical chance still there) - that worked (90 damage, 20 crit vs 30 damage, 35 crit) BUT if i was using heart rend i would have been leaving damage on the table
turbid needle
heartrend is generally stronger than deadly reversal ye
acoustic vale
Double edge arthur stronk. Shocking I know
With that, and level 4 epic heartbreak strike I could 100% ignore the second furies attacks because I do so much damage per swing
turbid needle
double edge doesnt affect swings tho only the thrust
acoustic vale
Oh. Then I'm just hitting REALLY hard IG
turbid needle
aphro+arthur hits really hard ye
acoustic vale
It also should it's description changed, because it says dash strike, but apparently it doesn't apply to the dash strike, only a specific part. Misleading.
proper furnace
swing + dash is not a dash strike
acoustic vale
Then why does it happen when I hit while dashing?
proper furnace
is just that arthut combo is slow so you can do that
acoustic vale
:(
untold iris
arthur can specifically dash between hits of the regular combo
its important because otherwise you would never be able to get all three hits out
solar dawn
Arthur would be terrible without that mechanic
acoustic vale
In related but not really related news: Halting Assault might have been a mistake. Can barely make it through the lava between islands
untold iris
honestly, shadow slash is probably the best hammer with arthur?
BIG HITS
whereas shadow slash is pretty meh on other swords
proper furnace
if you are using arthur just use special in a big patch of lava
fading panther
i had one run with rama, artemis attack athena special and dash, got deadly reve...
Yeah, DPS should still be higher on HR even with lower crit chance
scarlet ingot
Im doing an Arthur run which gods should I focus on?
cunning urchin
arthur can specifically dash between hits of the regular combo
You can do that with every sword aspect.
It's just more noticeable with Excalibur.
scarlet ingot
artemis or aphrodite
Yeah Ive got artemis on rn and its already doing mega dmg
I just got swift strike 👀
acoustic vale
What does the Ambiguity bonus actually do?
pallid lotus
So the best weapon I’ve tried so far for dps is the aspect of guan yu, you get charged skewer and Artemis special it’s so 
Build with aphro and Dionysus/Demeter for duo boons increasing crit rate privileged status
Beat hades with javelin mode alone
With the curses applied I was hitting like 800-2k per hit
Was insane
Aphrodite’s boon for increased damage vs weak also makes this build nigh unstoppable
proven osprey
pallid lotus
Speaking of hidden aspects does anyone have a good build for gilga?
acoustic vale
Chill or hangover works pretty well in my experience. Always go for the mirror that boosts your damage on a near miss instead of the one that adds another dash.
turbid needle
merciful end, dash spam build or aphro strike
pallid lotus
Is merciless end a hammer boon?
turbid needle
duo boon of athena and ares
pallid lotus
Gotcha
junior tusk
I run a ton of artemis boons because it goes so well with aspect of chiron
dry temple
That Arthur run I did was the worst struggle of a run I’ve ever done.
lucid oar
Rip
dry temple
27 smooth as butter finished runs to the absolute struggle like it was my first day picking hades up and holding the controller upside down. Are hidden aspects just bad
full beacon
For you to call Arthur bad, you had to have not been hitting them
acoustic vale
Or you picked something like Zeus attack
bronze marten
27 smooth as butter finished runs to the absolute struggle like it was my first ...
depends on a lot of factors - I’m definitely the outlier that prefers Rama to Chiron bow, Excalibur is fun to bring the boomstick, the death laser rail is a laser so it’s cool (Eris better in most cases but lazers)
dry temple
Arthur too slow and clunky. Just wasn’t good choice versus Zagreus fast attacks. Horrible slow. I hated every minute of it
bronze marten
You need to play it differently than the sword you’re used to. A good analogy if you play smash bros is Arthur is ganondorf
And regular sword is one of the misc sword dudes
The base damage on Arthur is 60-80-200 with no boons
but you’re slower
I’d suggest Athena dash first room so you can get a feel for the timing safely
proper furnace
also you can dash beetween the combo
bronze marten
That being said, Rama and Arthur are the only “starters” of the hidden aspects for me, Achilles/Eris/Zeus/Demeter for the other weapons (tho beowulf is pretty solid, I just suck at it)
bronze marten
Artemis attack aphro dash them crits can be in the thousands with heart rend
untold iris
its definitely a playstyle that takes some getting used to though, you're so slow
bronze marten
Push button, bad guy dies
terse thistle
Arthur thrives on weak and crits… sprinkle in shadow slash and watch those damage break 1-2k. Arthur has carried me to the current streak and the extra life plus reduced damage means I hardly lose any death defiance
terse thistle
You need to play it differently than the sword you’re used to. A good analogy if...
More like bowser + Ganon but I see your point on Arthur. Hits slow but like kissing the express train
bronze marten
Pretty much haha
Hits like a truck
you don’t try to razzle dazzle do backflips blah blah
you just hit em really really hard
terse thistle
It took me a while to understand Arthur but dang it hits good. Probably one of the few weapons I made a fool out of tweedle dum and tweedle dee in mere seconds
Yep. Hit them so hard they explode
Don’t even get me started on that wide swing
sweet frigate
Arthur has some dummy range too
terse thistle
I just wish the design was cooler but that aura is so sweet
terse thistle
more i use ice wine, the more i'm liking it
delicate tusk
dem x dio + dio x zeus
Try it next time
Then pick up arty as your fourth god and get Fully Loaded and Lightning Rod
proper furnace
i love how simple was the "get fully loaded"
delicate tusk
Lmao to get fully loaded you just have to get, what, 3 prerequisites?
proper furnace
2
delicate tusk
eeeeasy
proper furnace
and one of them cant be obtained with dio cast
delicate tusk
You need another artemis boon for support fire, no?
proper furnace
the one you cant get is exit wounds
delicate tusk
Still, should be doable
proper furnace
i mean fully loaded is something that if you have the chance, try and get it
not something you build in mind towards
delicate tusk
the one you cant get is exit wounds
Get artemis cast and exit wounds in tart then purge it for dio cast in asphodel lmao
proper furnace
better to trust charon keepsake extra casts, chaos, etc
proper furnace
Get artemis cast and exit wounds in tart then purge it for dio cast in asphodel ...
ah yes, big brain moment
delicate tusk
I wonder what would happen at stygian soul 5
0 sec cooldown
Would it vomit casts as fast as if you had 50 casts and flurry cast, or slower
proper furnace
if you get that hermes boon to reload them faster, maybe faster
delicate tusk
It's already at 0 lmao
Like, PonyWarrior legit places a hard cap on it so you can't go below 0
(doesn't stop me from messing with it, though)
delicate tusk
Yeah you just shoot like you have unlimited casts
sharp sinew
I used to love the shield until I learned that the hidden bow was op. I used to love the hidden bow until I learned that the eris aspect is op. Now I’m hitting 12:30 minute games every try
raw spindle
I got so used to melee that I cant seem to enjoy and do well with ranged weapons now
:D
sharp sinew
I can do everything but I get hit too much
raw spindle
Lads gimme cool Arthur build that is not around crits/damage with aphro/artemis
sweet frigate
Lads gimme cool Arthur build that is not around crits/damage with aphro/artemis
If you get that, can I have a unicorn?
boreal prism
Or whoever you can get
terse thistle
I used to hate sword… and then I figured out Arthur
dusky temple
I love zag sword with rush delivery
bronze marten
Does lasting consequences make cursed slash totally worthless?
proper furnace
cursed slash still works
fading panther
Only fountain and shop is affected iirc
sterile fiber
- Pat's healing, Nourished Soul, and healing troves
bronze marten
Nourished soul does nothing right? I saw something about 30 percent but it wasn’t clear (also I was in the zone and didnt stop to read the description that would prob tell me if that was the case)
acoustic vale
+ Pat's healing, Nourished Soul, and healing troves
Does that include the shadow regen thing?
proper furnace
dark regeneration? ye
sterile fiber
it affects Cthonic Vitality, so it should affect Dark Regen.
sterile fiber
Nourished soul does nothing right? I saw something about 30 percent but it wasn’...
it does nothing on LC4, and nerfed on LC 1-3
the only common "healing" that doesn't get affected by LC is centaur hearts
bronze marten
man i had to think about that for a second, ive been calling them heart containers this whole time ><
sudden harness
How do I get more crit
boreal prism
Artemis boons, and either nemesis sword or zag bow
misty sun
What would be good for Rama?
lucid oar
Aphrodite/Artemis attack, Artemis dash, Zeus/Ares/Dionysus special, twin/triple shot
Hammers are important on this weapon
misty sun
What hammers, then?
lucid oar
Twin/triple shot
verbal nest
whats the best duo boon for gilgamesh poseidon build?
verbal nest
does seastorm proc if i dash?
turbid needle
yea
verbal nest
in terms of damage whats better chiron or hera?
sudden harness
in terms of damage whats better chiron or hera?
I feel like hera needs less to do damage Chiron probably does more damage with an optimized build but for hera all you really need is a good cast
valid prism
I'd say Chiron if we talk 1v1 dps
Cool thing with Hera is that it can dmg a lot of foes with 1 cast which is a lot of total dps
But Hera with boons and duos can also be a serious 1v1 DPS
verbal nest
ok ty
candid belfry
if you dont max chiron though
hera by a massive amount
its the low blood option either way
flint kernel
sharp sinew
I’m wondering what everyone likes for weapon aspects. I used to like chaos, switched to bow hidden aspect, and now I’m on eris rail. Just trying to beat my record time
I never get 5x shot and rocket bomb in the same game though, unless it’s at the very end of the game
void coyote
i am using chiron bow
hollow hearth
what's better? curse of drowning, or black metal?
mild raft
Those are two very different boons
Curse of drowning is green take the green boon
Obviously you don’t have ares cast so building into vicious cycle doesn’t help much
untold vortex
how many blade rift supporting boons do you have already
well that answers that question lol
mild raft
Yea you need to have Poseidon cast to unlock CoD so they must have like blade dash or ares call
So like black metal could be good but green boon good take the green boon
untold vortex
yeah, had to check the pre-reqs as I haven't actively sought out CoD for a while
hollow hearth
aight, green boon good it is
mild raft
When in doubt pick the one that’s harder to get
hollow hearth
yeah, and the prophecy is a good bonus
mild raft
Curse of drowning does have some small synergies with engulfing vortex (I think that’s what it’s called) the ares T2 that sucks enemies into your blade rift with blade dash
Cause then you get to dash around and enemies stay in range of your curse of drowning pulses
hollow hearth
i'm at hades already. i have the one that sucks in enemies, and i have ares's aid
hades is a pos
opal glade
good luck!
brazen ravine
so uh.. that spear aspect of guan yi. thats pretty rough eh
bronze marten
so uh.. that spear aspect of guan yi. thats pretty rough eh
if you get charged skewer you can make some fun things happen, but yeah, that health drop is rough
brazen ravine
playing thru it first time right now on reg
bronze marten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dragon_Crescent_Blade its got some cool lore tho
brazen ravine
mmmm lore
bronze marten
tldr: the name frost fair blade because it was used in the winter, and the blood on it froze so its frosty now
pretty metal ancient china, ngl
i like that
eh 14th centruy isnt ancient
brazen ravine
i am a lore hound
imagine wielding that one handed
no wonder the attack speed is so slow 😅
bronze marten
charged skewer makes guan yu very good
but the health loss hurts
its too much imo
wish theyd patch it to like 70%
brazen ravine
yeah its reduced damage it seems like tho
bronze marten
its a weird weapon but it has its uses
i tend to just go achilles when i wanna spear things
brazen ravine
im at the hydra now with extended jab and stubborn roots
bronze marten
max lvl is reduced to 50% at least
oh my bad, clarification, i meant the max level guan yu should be health drops to 70% of max not 50%
turbid needle
gy health loss is way more punishing than what beo has for how nutty beo is tbh
brazen ravine
yup the Theseus fight was too much for me with that little health and i used up all my dd getting there
fun style change if it wasnt so punishing
terse thistle
I have no recollection how I even beat Theseus with base GY… I just kinda winged it… GY has a slick design tho 100%
brazen ravine
each hammer playstyle is viable and different from base
dusky temple
I'm not a fan of gy, it feels underpowered for the loss of max health
outer quail
base guan yu is nuts idk how anyone does it
i think max is fun tho
i love healing 🥰
turbid needle
the spin and special are great and its like the safest spear aspect for what its worth
dusky temple
Not base lol
cunning urchin
Lv.1 Guan Yu, too. One of the best aspects for no-hitting a run.
turbid needle
health doesnt matter if you dont get hit
dusky temple
I forgot, put on your get good pants and health is just a resource
cunning urchin
It's not too difficult to abuse the Special and clear most encounters with it. The issue at Lv.1 is just that it punishes any mistakes you do make very hard.
dusky temple
My issue with it is my skill at using the spin. I never do spin runs so when I used it I had no idea what I was doing
turbid needle
it can be awkward to use without quick spin at times
I see it like bow charges where you have to dash to a safe spot to charge
left hedge
yo so like is aspect of nemesis on sword the general good one, im plannin to get it nd was wonderin if i do what gods r like recommended? my guess was like artemis for crit stuff but idrk
dusky temple
The nemesis aspect is considered the "best"
Aphro Artemis is pretty strong
So is merciful end if you can get it
left hedge
nice ty
dusky temple
You can also run pretty much any damage duo and ape hades
left hedge
yeye
strange lark
no
plain prairie
yes
plain prairie
dash + GR = 50% sex
dash special is like so much extra damage
but fr
bloodstone > dash special > bloodstone2x > attack
if you can proc privileged on top of it all it’s melt supreme
strange lark
no
plain prairie
yes
plain prairie
if u have no other cast then ya?
proper furnace
why blood stone x2
acoustic schooner
Rocket bomb spread fire or ricochet and this is base with lvl 4 rare tempest strike
plain prairie
why blood stone x2
bc the 1st bloodstone (w boil blood) + dash special will boost the damage of the 2 bloodstones
admittedly that approach is better for armored enemies but same idea
proper furnace
boiling blood doesnt boost cast damage
plain prairie
turbid needle
Is Eris the best of the initial aspects for Rail? Was thinking of unlocking it first
its very good ye
Any particular boons?
turbid needle
All my favourites, perfect
proper furnace
for hammers best are triple/cluster and rocket bomb
delta chamber, target system are decent too
high temple
im trying to get hunting blades but that damned ares never gives me his cast boon
like its been 17 runs and counting
proper furnace
no fated persuasion ig?
proper furnace
also dark foresight?
high temple
maxed
lucid oar
You have a 75% chance of seeing slicing shot on your first boon if you use Ares' keepsake
turbid needle
you should rly take persuasion if you want specific boons
plain prairie
You have a 75% chance of seeing slicing shot on your first boon if you use Ares'...
80% chance it will be common
plain prairie
i like the color 😠
lucid oar
Also if you use gods pride, it is like 35+% chance to be epic
fallow salmon
I'm tempted to do a new game bc I feel like, out of "noobness", I did invest in the wrong things at the Architect and weapons' aspect...
fallow salmon
Well yes, but as I'm on first level heat... Most of runs feels like I don't do enough damage ^^
lucid oar
I'd focus on unlocking more of the mirror so you can get builds going more reliably
turbid needle
theres so many more things you could improve outside of aspects to beat 1 heat
fallow salmon
I'd focus on unlocking more of the mirror so you can get builds going more relia...
I almost unlocked everything. Just the last with more than 1k darkness
plain prairie
what u mirror look like
high temple
yup i lost at his half bar of his 3rd bar hades is a real bich on extreme measures uh
lucid oar
The last one is one of the best for making builds, especially the green side
Dark foresight as well is great
plain prairie
yup i lost at his half bar of his 3rd bar hades is a real bich on extreme measur...
u are capable lad keep fighting
high temple
yea lost my last death defiance to his beam of death vase combo
plain prairie
my 1st em4 was blizzard ball w poseidon sword
got incredibly lucky with hades running the direction i sent my casts and he got real sleepy
storm anchor
does the hermes plume thing leave its buff on me if I switch to a different one or no?
lucid oar
You lose the buff
storm anchor
Darn
thanks tho
rugged geyser
Gilgamesh build?
lucid oar
Merciful end or splash dash are both fun
rugged geyser
I’ll try sea storm
solar dawn
Blade dash is fun too and stronger than it seems
solar dawn
Zeus attack aphro special is good, merciful end is always good too
lucid oar
Breaching cross and explosive upper are the best hammers
solar dawn
I like kinetic launcher on it too
sharp sinew
Thanks
rugged geyser
Gilgamesh is so bad
lucid oar
Yep
solar dawn
I use it for the extra dash, otherwise it's just not good
Can't even 1 shot numbskulls
lucid oar
Static discharge makes Zeus attack a whole lot better
rugged geyser
Imagine that on Eris
lucid oar
Especially high rarity
autumn zealot
Do items stack? for example if i get double cyclops jerky
lucid oar
Yes
autumn zealot
alright thanks
sharp sinew
My choices are long rolling and heavy knuckle for Demeter fists
Which one should I pick
lone jetty
My choices are long rolling and heavy knuckle for Demeter fists
Rolling or long. You don’t want Heavy on Demeter because then it’s slower to charge the cutter
dusky temple
I always go long to hit multiple targets with dem
proper furnace
just to be sure, none of the duos that changes slicing shot affects the ares dash right?
proper furnace
ik those affect it, thats why i specified duos
dusky temple
I did an aspect of hera hunting blades build 😆
unborn tiger
Aspect of Poseidon my beloved
On stygian
Poseidon stygian, exit wounds, and max internal soul is so fun
sharp sinew
Chiron boons and hammers?
proper furnace
concetrated and relentless volley for hammers, piercing isnt bad
proper furnace
pretty much anything works on it
ares with dire misfortune is fun for big doom, demeter with artic blast, aphro/artemis for big numbers (and aphro can work for fun times with the legendary)
dio hangover is good
poseidon special into sea storm
for artemis/dio start with whatever of the 2 you want and take their special
artemis wants extra damage from chaos, hunter mark, etc/dio wants poms on the special
in asphodel take aphro on attack and aim for the correspondent duo (heart rend/low tolerance)
lone jetty
Obscure mechanics question about the Dio/Artemis duo Splitting Headache. Does it only improve existing crit chance, or does it mean anything can now crit (sorta like Pressure Points or Deadly Reversal) if the baddie has hangover?
sinful lily
Is there any way to heal on other weapons like cursed slash on sword
proper furnace
Obscure mechanics question about the Dio/Artemis duo Splitting Headache. Does it...
works like PP and deadly reversal
proper furnace
Is there any way to heal on other weapons like cursed slash on sword
secret aspect of the spear can heal by using the spin and fists has a hammer that on kill with the special, heals 2% of your hp
sinful lily
Okay ty healing is the only way I can get anywhere in a run never cleared with another weapon only cleared with cursed slash on sword
sterile fiber
do attacks have any kind of base crit rate, or do they only crit with Artemis boons (not considering Pressure Points)
proper furnace
only nemesis sword and zag bow have base crit rate to their attack
acoustic vale
When using achillies, should I be throwing the spear short distances and zooming as soon as possible or charging the throw?
lone jetty
Distance doesn’t matter for damage. I tend to throw through baddies so they have to turn around before they attack, or you can backstab
proper furnace
it also works like a dash so can use it to dodge too
so ig if you want the buff quickly, short charge
acoustic vale
I'm asking because I'd have to rebind special off scroll wheel to charge throw it
candid belfry
not really worth it for achilles
but that set up probably makes rail harder to use
especially eris
acoustic vale
I've used rail like once since switching to this keybinding, but I can't remember how it went
candid belfry
you have to hold special in that to choose where to target the missile
id do like, special on right, cast on wheel, dash on space
bronze marten
Double tapping the special as I enter a room is muscle memory for Achilles at this point. I try to keep a count in my head but that falls apart when it gets sweaty
candid belfry
too bad it doesnt stick between rooms
acoustic vale
id do like, special on right, cast on wheel, dash on space
I tried that, but I kept trying to use scrollwheel down to aim down so I changed it
candid belfry
down sights?
acoustic vale
?
candid belfry
you cant aim casts down
acoustic vale
Yeah you can? Stand above the enemy, face downwards, and fire the casts?
proper furnace
does parting shot backstab bonus apply to all backstab or only cast?
candid belfry
Yeah you can? Stand above the enemy, face downwards, and fire the casts?
guess you mean firing south
i get what you mean. the scroll wheel is 2 directional so it feels like you can fling it backwards my scrolling in that direction
its definitely very weird to think of it as up and down though instead of forward and backwards
for isometric camera games like this
i guess im biased to always thinking of space as 3d even when its not literally presented that way
misty sun
What would be good on Arthur?
candid belfry
artemis and aphro
formers crits scale amazingly with the high base damage, latter is the the biggest raw boost that also synergizes with its damage reduction
if you get both and duo into bigger crits on weak, thats probably ideal
athena / arty duo works too for the crit rate. but youll need deflect special, not dash
rerolling hermes for attack speed can make it feel much better.
hammers are pretty basic
attack up against armor, attack up when behind (its wide range makes that hit more than youd think), dash strike hits twice is solid for a faster option
if you do run athena, might be worth taking one of the special ones. arthur probably has the worst hammer options overall
bronze marten
Aphro dash Artemis attack is the most straightforward way to use heart rend, while if you go athena Artemis on special/attack and still pick up the Athena dash, you’re gonna get lots of crits 🙂 I had one run (albeit w Rama) where after getting deadly reversal I traded in Artemis (40p ish, epic) for Demeter (heroic,112p) and still had the 20 p crit buff from reversal…that was a fun one
Four digit Rama crits feel good man
Like merciful end, Athena special is a prerequisite and the dash triggering it is way simpler (just dash around and deadly reversal will pretty much always be up)
acoustic vale
What gods should I be going for for Achilles?
candid belfry
depends pretty massively if you want to go the normal spear or the cast route
and then if you see explosive return even that might change
candid belfry
oh wait thats right
sweet frigate
My brain crossed wires accidentally
sweet frigate
Actually it’s 7am
And I didn’t sleep
Hades is too important
candid belfry
oh wait you cant get that on achilles huh
so thats why i never see it
yeah most of the special hammers dont work with it
in that case its pretty much just attack and cast
making artemis the most reliable like always
pretty much any god except dio works with achilles tbh
the cast makes zeus and poseidon much better than they normally are for attacky builds
with some hybrid appeal
sweet frigate
pretty much any god except dio works with achilles tbh
Demeter
candid belfry
especially if you dont get flurry jab, then zeus or ares doesnt really hurt that much
i mean demeter is fine 😔
true you pretty much only want her attack
but with flurry jab shes one of the best
since chill actually scales with rapid hits
also... im not sure where i heard this
but im pretty sure achilles counts for 4 total beam casts
not just for 4 hits of the same beam
making him by the far the best for meme beam
and since you want to roll arty anyways for the attack, clarity is a real possibility
valid prism
Artemis is a flexible atk on Achilles for that
Finding beam on the way -> cristal clarity duo
Same logic if you find Ares cast or Poseidon's one along the way
candid belfry
weirdly enough athena might actually be one of the worse ones
unless you get reversal
valid prism
Phalanx shot is good if you find Zeus
candid belfry
thats the 1 duo that could help but even then.... having to run zeus (without his cast) and athena
valid prism
Athena cast isn't the best as pure dps but the cast is good at both offense and defense
candid belfry
probably just isnt worth it
i wouldnt take that over a regular zeus cast just for its defensive utility i guess
the main reason im fine with having zeus on the attack in the first place is just a compromise to get his cast after all
valid prism
I wouldn't force zeus cast for high heat as well so it's a preference I think 😄
candid belfry
hmm for high heat maybe
although
its pretty unlikely to get that duo before asphodel isnt it?
and thats the main place you really want deflect
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot is always good.
candid belfry
i almost never take it
since its pretty slow and her dash and call are so tempting
it doesnt really fit the tag and crush style of boiling blood
cunning urchin
Probably the most "good in any situation" Cast in the game.
candid belfry
out of the 3 casts with defensive utility
deflect is much more powerful than fog slowdown, and it doesnt have the point blank limitation of aphro that makes you take just as much damage as 30% mitigates
and it still lodges on top of that, so understandable
you kind of need to have a certain playstyle to use a cast defensively in the first place though
valid prism
Phalanx is cool as defense but we mainly use the cast as offense
candid belfry
id pretty much never deploy it for the deflect
and would actively use it at point blank like aphro to counter the slow speed
can it do much offensively without the duo?
valid prism
It's just that at some moments like Hades throwing skulls, you can launch the cast without thinking
lucid oar
Anyway, phalanx shot is good on Rama to create an opening for attacking enemies
cunning urchin
It's not really a playstyle, you just throw it whenever and negate a lot of attacks on the screen.
Pom scaling is really good, so it never hurts your build in that regard.
candid belfry
throwing it whenever is a playstyle though 😔
cunning urchin
It has that utility on top of being just very strong.
candid belfry
if you have 3 casts i can see like throw 2, and then keeping a third one for BB tags
thats true it never hurts your build
well for zag bow it might actually
since you need to close the distance to lodge it
to me the most useful all around would just be artemis
since its a reliable basic style cast that occasionally 1 hit kills or burns away armor for you
you dont have to adjust your playstyle at all
cunning urchin
throwing it whenever is a playstyle though 😔
I don't consider playing good a playstyle.
candid belfry
in that sense its pretty much the only true straight upgrade cast
there are multiple ways to play good tbh
lucid oar
It has no AOE
candid belfry
so i would
valid prism
By playstyle you mean dodging, personal inputs?
candid belfry
It has no AOE
thats true but your basic cast has no aoe either, so thats not a real downside
well all of the casts except arty pretty much change your style slightly
lucid oar
When every other cast has AOE, I'd call it a downside
candid belfry
posei only slightly from maybe knocking enemies back, zeus it lodges on the enemies it bounces to so you want to target the weak enemies with it not the strong, ares and athena have a much slower travel time and range so you need to track enemes / get closer
beam is obvious
fog you have to spam more frequently as a dps source
candid belfry
When every other cast has AOE, I'd call it a downside
i just mean artemis has none of that
cunning urchin
You can throw Phalanx Shot from fullscreen pretty much.
candid belfry
it plays identically to the basic non booned cast
cunning urchin
The thing has pretty good homing.
candid belfry
maybe im crossing streams with the ares one too much
ill take it next time i see it
valid prism
I'd be tempted for Artemis starter with Hera
lucid oar
lucid oar
Aphro is probably better in all 3 of those tbh for 50 heat
cunning urchin
Definitely.
valid prism
And if lucky, I can find exit wounds later
lucid oar
Weak is pretty good I've heard
cunning urchin
Changing HL5 to HL2 is very nice, yeah.
If Exit Wounds is a factor in room clears with Hera, your build is weak.
lucid oar
Wdym? Exit wounds is triple cast damage! TheGamer said so
cunning urchin
candid belfry
True Shot sucks on Hera.
it just bounces off the main enemy right
i had that and replaced it with zeus cast lightning fast
cunning urchin
It sucks because the damage is bad and it has no AOE.
Sucks relative to what you can get.
candid belfry
i guess because youre hitting enemies with 3-4 casts at once
pom scaling matters much more than something like their individual crit rate
i like to go posei personally
it has that big blasty feel
cunning urchin
True Shot just does little damage on average when accounting for crits, too.
autumn zealot
is lucifer or eris stronger? thinking about a normal 32heta run
with lucifer i feel like i can run 2DC without getting punished
proper furnace
eris can also run dc2
autumn zealot
yeah thats true and lucifer feels a bit more smooth to play with
im not good with eris so the damage ramp up is more safe than eris special
mild raft
Eris is 100% stronger
Or I guess I should say 70% stronger
Global damage is nuts especially with rail cause you throw Zeus or dio attack on it and all of your damage goes up
valid prism
75% 👀 💦
raw blade
🥴
autumn zealot
a full mag with lucifer does more damage than full mag eris
lucid oar
Base weapon
mild raft
Ok but there’s an important part of “dps” that you’re missing
The “per second” part
Eris just kills things very quickly
autumn zealot
thats true but isnt lucifer special pretty strong?
lucid oar
It is, but Eris boosted rocket bomb is better
mild raft
Depressing
proper furnace
eris has access to cluster/rocket bomb too
mild raft
And Eris special works really well without any hammers and even better with hammers
Plus you know
Global damage
Is kind of insane
autumn zealot
ok didnt think of taht
mild raft
In my opinion the safest aspects are those that can kill enemies very quickly because the less time enemies exist the less likely you are to get hit
lucid oar
The startup is also quite considerable
valid prism
Else the dps is a little under Eris' possibilities
Yeah but sometimes you can put you in danger just by changing your position to get the 75% Eris buff
lucid oar
Another benefit for Eris is that it has delta chamber, which gives immunity frames
autumn zealot
thats my main problem with eris but i did test them both on skelly and it looks like eris has higher dps
lucid oar
Testing on skelly means little to nothing because you can't test boons/hammers
autumn zealot
what does delta chamber do? dont play rail to much
autumn zealot
ok
lucid oar
So a slightly worse attack, but is heaps safer
autumn zealot
thats pretty great then
valid prism
Lucifer has few hammers but except eternal chamber, they are objectively cool like not killing the gameplay/dps
So you fear less bad hammers with Lucifer
autumn zealot
what hammers do i want to stay away from except the no damage ramp one
on eris and lucifer
lucid oar
Hazard bomb/spread fire on eris
The best ones on Eris are rocket, cluster, triple and targetting
autumn zealot
so special based hammers for eris
lucid oar
Yeah pretty much
autumn zealot
is the go to
valid prism
They both are about being close to foes because the range is small as ranged aspects
autumn zealot
is spread fire really that bad? 4 times the damage without boons
lucid oar
It's bad on Eris because you get less ammo and slower fire rate
However on aspect of Zagreus it's really good
autumn zealot
is there only text channels on this discord?
solar dawn
Also I'm a little late but eris skyrockets once you get Zeus and Poseidon on it
valid prism
It's powerful but your chamber becomes 6 rounds with Spread fire
solar dawn
It blows Lucifer out of the water with boons
autumn zealot
ok zeus on attack and poseidon on?
solar dawn
Dash
lucid oar
is there only text channels on this discord?
You can upload pictures by pasting links from image sharing sites like Imgur
valid prism
And even if you're careful while approaching foes, you're not likely close to spend your 6 bullets on them
cunning urchin
No voice channels, right.
autumn zealot
poseidon dash doesnt build to sea storm so do u just skip it or invest in either cast or special?
lucid oar
Nope, skip sea storm instead
autumn zealot
Oh ok no voice channel
lucid oar
Idk if that's what you meant
autumn zealot
ok got it
if u dont go for sea storm is splash dash the best option. I feel like athena would be better but im probably just biased
solar dawn
Athena is safer but splash dash does significantly more damage
Depends on heat and comfort ig
cunning urchin
On Eris, Tidal Dash is probably safer at most heats just for the fact you kill everything so fast.
solar dawn
The best defence is a good offence
cunning urchin
That's pretty much the bible of that build for Eris.
autumn zealot
havent read it through but what im getting is that eris dont need alot of boons to do work so i can focus more on hearts and poms?
proper furnace
are the extra shields from chaos aspect affected by the hammers?
lucid oar
havent read it through but what im getting is that eris dont need alot of boons ...
Yeah you only really need the attack, dash and static discharge, so all poms can go into dash and jolted
autumn zealot
i tried to do an eris run on 32 heat(only done 32 with chiron once) and it went really well untill i lost 3 dd in styx
also is pomming zeus attack not worth it?
lucid oar
Nope
Tidal dash poms are crazy
35 56 71 81 etc
Double damage in 2-3 poms depending on rarity
Lightning strike is mainly for clearing out early rooms and applying jolted
autumn zealot
yeah ive been doing more runs with tidal dash and its actually nuts
lunar flare
What's a good speedrun build for the Bow?
bronze marten
What's a good speedrun build for the Bow?
Hera with a strong cast
lucid oar
It's slightly out of date, but it is still completely valid
Just that chaos cast damage and snow burst are prioritised over mirage shot
lunar flare
Bleh, Chiron is my strongest weapon for a reason
turbid needle
chiron isnt the best for speed but people run all aspects anyway
or like theres a good time for every aspect
lunar flare
My best on Chiron is 14:17
worldly path
I recently tried playing the invincible poseidon athena build that makes it so that i dash and deal damage with poseidon waves and athena takes care of deflection. Its hella fun and op in my opinion. But are there better boon combos i could have fun. With?
split grove
hello
im trying to run this build : flurry jab, lightning strike, tidal dash, static discharge, hyper sprint and rush delivery
which gods give these?
bronze marten
I recently tried playing the invincible poseidon athena build that makes it so t...
A few suggestions: Aphrodite attack Excalibur with Zeus call and smoldering air to lightning everything, Rama bow w heart rend, Achilles spear start w Artemis take Demeter or ares whichever comes first and get the homing casts
split grove
and which keepsake should i equip
bronze marten
im trying to run this build : flurry jab, lightning strike, tidal dash, static d...
Poseidon and Zeus. Don’t count on getting specific hammers or boons tho!
Flurry jab isn’t a sure thing
split grove
i know
bronze marten
And the other two are hermes so that’s just RNG
but prob Zeus
and hope for a natural Poseidon
solar dawn
It's ok, start Poseidon then
Poseidon start for tidal dash is really good on Achilles spear
bronze marten
Hahaha id encourage you to just go for it even if you don’t get Zeus
Wonky stuff happens
I made festive fog work on Zeus shield once cause that’s the hand I was given
Super fun run
bronze marten
yeah, I find that when I stop fighting what the game gives me, I do better
*exception - if I don’t see Athena in Tartarus I’ll take her keepsake in asphodel at high heat so I don’t die lol
Like if I’m doing an Achilles cast build I’ll start with Artemis then pick ares or Demeter whomever comes first, then take ares/Demeter keepsake in asphodel. That flexibility is nice to have
split grove
high heat?
bronze marten
Oh, if you haven’t gotten that far yet my bad - basically the game can become as hard as you want it to be if you choose to keep playing after unlocking everything
split grove
ohh
bronze marten
It’s not applicable to you yet, don’t worry (tho sooner or later it probably will be)
Closing in on 300 hours haha
split grove
also i got stunlocked on the bone hydra somehow 😭😭😭 thats never happened before
split grove
Get back out there and kick his ass
ive beat her like a million times
this time i just got stunlocked
split grove
Gorgon heads maybe? Idk
no its a gaming term
means when you get hit a lot and due to knockback/flinch/whatever the game has you cant like move bc ur constantly getting hit
sterile fiber
Oh the clawing zombies that hatch out of eggs
sterile fiber
The hydra, yeah. Some times the head spits out those spiky egg things
hmm idk I just call those eggs
split grove
also which ||hidden aspects|| (spoilering to be safe) should i go for first?
im thinking fists and sword cuz they look cool
solar dawn
Fists look cool but are arguably the weakest aspect in the game
sterile fiber
Fists are....interesting but can be a bit clunky
solar dawn
Sword is fun, shield is great, spear isn't bad but needs some blood in it, bow is great especially for harder runs, fists are meh, and gun is laser!!
sterile fiber
the first aspect you have to reveal is Spear anyway
split grove
the first aspect you have to reveal is Spear anyway
ive got it already
split grove
Fists look cool but are arguably the weakest aspect in the game
really? they sounded rlly good
solar dawn
Yeah the dash has reduced range, and the dash strike doesn't one shot the skulls in tartarus
And like melonade said they're pretty clunky at first
solar dawn
Guns pretty fun to mess around with
I'd just get all of them tbh and see what you like
They're all really different from their base weapons
split grove
ill try
ima need a lot of titans blood though, and im not really sure how ill get that
sterile fiber
once you unlock a hidden aspect, you get a prophecy that basically partially refunds the blood cost if you reach the final arena with it (don't have to win the last fight)
so you don't need that much blood if you unlock them 1 by 1
steel swan
also which ||hidden aspects|| (spoilering to be safe) should i go for first?
shield is really fun
acoustic vale
I don't get these gilamesh is clunky complaints, I never experienced that
As self appointed master of gilgamesh fists, Here's what you should do: Replace greater reflex with ruthless reflex, as 4 mini dashes instead of 3 is not nearly as good of an improvement as 2 dashes instead of 1, and you'll be proccing the near miss boost a lot, and get athena dash. THat's the basics of the main strat. And ironically, greatest reflex is really good with gilgamesh because you trigger the divine dash so fecking often with 6 mini dashes
proper furnace
And what you do with divine next?
acoustic vale
Up to you, really. I might call myself master of gilgamesh, but I'm not the master of plotting runs beyond the bare minimum dsjk;f;jdsf
split grove
As self appointed master of gilgamesh fists, Here's what you should do: Replace ...
you can get 3 dashes?
proper furnace
Gilga gives 2 dashes
bronze marten
you can get 3 dashes?
Gilgamesh gives you 2 extra
split grove
ohh
acoustic vale
Gilgamesh replaces the 1 big dash you start with with 3 mini dashes, and greatest reflex adds +3 dashes in epic level iirc
split grove
epic level? from MIRROR?
acoustic vale
no
proper furnace
Hermes boon
acoustic vale
greatest reflex the hermes boon, not greater reflex the mirror talent
don't use greater reflex on gilgamesh, ruthless reflex much better
split grove
don't use greater reflex on gilgamesh, ruthless reflex much better
which one is that?
acoustic vale
When you hit the little swap button next to greater reflex, it switches to ruthless reflex
proper furnace
Green side of the +1 dash
split grove
no i mean whats it do
acoustic vale
it gives you extra damage when you narrowly dodge something, it calls it a near miss
proper furnace
And 50% to dodge
acoustic vale
Since the dash is smol and many, you proc that super often
split grove
As self appointed master of gilgamesh fists, Here's what you should do: Replace ...
stubborn or dd? i do stubborn normally cuz of styx but
acoustic vale
I prefer dd, but a lot of people prefer stubborn just in general
split grove
when i get more titans blood ill pick that up eventually then
acoustic vale
in my experience your weapon choice doesn't affect dd vs stubborn choice.
That's more related to where you tend to die and some post game choices
split grove
canr wait to best the final boss
proper furnace
When using sd be sure to check charon wells for touch of styx
Will boost how much hp gives you back
cunning urchin
As self appointed master of gilgamesh fists, Here's what you should do: Replace ...
That title would belong to Retrash.
acoustic vale
I don't even know who that is
strange lark
sad retrash noises
cunning urchin
Retrash holds the most high heat WRs out of anyone at 13 aspect WRs and 2 weapon WRs. And that includes Gilgamesh.
valid prism
Said differently, he cleared the game with Gilgamesh at 53 Heat with EM4 enabled (using EM4 on all of his runs is kinda his signature) 👀
split grove
When using sd be sure to check charon wells for touch of styx
unfortunately i cannot
im trying to save to get blood/diamond
proper furnace
?
bronze marten
im trying to save to get blood/diamond
If you mean your goal is to save money to buy the blood and diamond from Charon in Styx, getting there will be way easier with the touch of styx and the money you spend on boons and stuff
then just raise the heat a bit
That being said, buy the diamond would be an interesting speedrun category
proper furnace
They havent completed a run iirc
split grove
If you mean your goal is to save money to buy the blood and diamond from Charon ...
i cant raise heat
yet
also if i spend money on other stuff most of the time i wont have enough
bronze marten
Yeah - the problem is not using that money in the run will leave you way less powerful than you could be in most cases (you could take Poseidon oceans bounty and or a chaos cash boost to make it easier)
split grove
oceans bounty gives more money?
split grove
Yeah - the problem is not using that money in the run will leave you way less po...
i can just get boons for free 😭
bronze marten
i can just get boons for free 😭
yep, but you'll get four more for 600 at shops - that's a fairly big deal and will help you get through the run
ocean's bounty gives 50% on room rewards only
chaos money boons (XYZ Affluence) are global (so youll get like, 20-25 gold from a pot rather than 15)
cunning urchin
I don't even think the boons you could buy are necessarily too important for a first clear.
I think a better case is 1000 obols is 8 Centaur Hearts.
That's 200 max HP.
bronze marten
Can’t hurt
split grove
yep, but you'll get four more for 600 at shops - that's a fairly big deal and wi...
im not buying the titans blood on the run i wanna be my final clear
im doing it on grinding runs
aka half of my runs bc this game is hard
and i need 30 keys
rigid imp
How does Rust Kick (2x40 fist special) interact with Aspect of Demitor?
bronze marten
I suggest you try to win every run. I feel like you’re at the point where you’re going to win real soon, maybe even surprise yourself, and if you’re reliably getting to Styx you got this!
hollow hearth
what's better? deathless stand, or last stand?
for context, im about to fight hades
hollow hearth
yeah
turbid needle
Finally got the mirror fully unlocked and I'm probably going to respec to shift my darkness around. What are the priorities to max out? (Outside of death defiance)
lucid oar
Dark foresight
lucid oar
And deep pockets ig
lucid oar
Eh?
cunning urchin
100 obols is 4/5th of a Centaur Heart.
lucid oar
Oh lmao
I thought you were talking about darkness rewards from bosses
Or common sweet nectar premium vintage
turbid needle
Gotcha. I can avoid the respec then, was wondering if getting fated persuasion/god's pride ranks would be worth it
lucid oar
They are very good but very expensive
Don't get them until you have the ones listed above maxed
But those should be the next priority after you've done that
cunning urchin
I'd max the other talents before I spend points in Fated Persuasion.
More Casts and stuff is a lot more valuable.
turbid needle
That's fair, I guess when the heat system starts kicking my arse then I'll get more darkness. I'm on a hot streak so I'm not actually getting too much at the moment aha
terse thistle
Casts are underrated, they’re not to be slept on…
turbid needle
I only just made the swap from the single regenerating cast to try out Hunting Blades and I can't believe I haven't been using it the whole time
terse thistle
And dark regeneration can be pretty good when you have surplus of darkness
storm anchor
i beat hades once like a few months ago and now im playing through again on hell mode
gauntlets and sword are my favorites, so what should I use my titan's blood on for them?
turbid needle
Nemesis and Demeter aspects are fun
lucid oar
Well the best aspects for speedrunning are nemesis and Demeter, but Poseidon is really fun as well
storm anchor
Thanks
lucid oar
Posting this again, but here's mine. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/876397230859378698/my-image.png
Chaos goes in S
Bouldy in SS
solar dawn
Where hades?
lucid oar
:(
fallow idol
the only problem of hades is the range of the stick
storm anchor
twilit grove
Bouldy= s+++++++++++
sterile fiber
Does Hades' skulls count towards Killing Freeze
lucid oar
Good question. I don't know for sure, but I assume so given that they can be marked
lucid oar
What aspect
hollow hearth
arthur
outer quail
i always prioritize the prophecy boons personally
hollow hearth
artic blast seems pretty good rn
this was a joke btw