#h1-builds-and-combat

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delicate tusk
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Optimal duo/build for beo? I assume poseidon cast

solar dawn
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Poseidon cast for mirage shot

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rely kinda heavily on chaos for casts/cast damage

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you can go zeus too for his call and lightning rod, or take sigil

valid prism
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Poseidon cast + Artemis then Demeter for Snow burst

acoustic vale
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Aphro cast is also good and much more reliable to actually get

valid prism
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Yeah that's another beo build

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Aphro cast + Privileged Status + any effect boon on atk

acoustic vale
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Run aphro cast and attack

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You did say any effect boon on attack

valid prism
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PS doesn't apply then

acoustic vale
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Yes

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That is the joke

valid prism
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K

acoustic vale
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The joke is you said any, which this qualifies for, but does not actually apply ps, thus being a bad idea, thus meaning it's not literally any

proven osprey
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Pretty sure he meant an attack applying curse by "effect" boon

acoustic vale
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Yes, but I chose to interpret it in a way better suited for comedy.

proven osprey
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However with beo deadly strike is the best option

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Then you just want Demeter for PS

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Because snow burst is awesome

fair cairn
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is there a solid non hunting blades build for achilles?

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I utterly hate how it plays when I'm not getting HB

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thinking about zeus attack, zeus cast, flurry and serrated

lucid oar
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Don't get flurry and serrated together, just get flurry

proper furnace
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Flurry jab achilles with either artemis/zeus

lucid oar
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And tidal dash as well to start

proper furnace
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Any cast works great with achilles tbh

fair cairn
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yeah that's what I'm thinking as well

proper furnace
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If you wanna have fun do dio cast

lucid oar
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Zeus attack needs jolted, Artemis attack needs chaos + hunters mark

fair cairn
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arty attack, zeus cast, special is whatever, maybe poseidon, tidal dash and get sea storm as bonus

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yeah obviously

rotund nebula
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What boons am i looking for to make Hera bow really shine?

lucid oar
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Artemis' attack is better than Zeus attack unless you get splitting bolt usually

fair cairn
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Aphrodite cast/dio cast

lucid oar
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And get chaos buffs to cast damage/extra casts

fair cairn
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once you get crush shot, you can either gear towards heartrend, or the ares duo

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heartrend is a bit more complicated as hunters mark is very necessary

lucid oar
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Mirage shot is usually a better thing to aim for imo

fair cairn
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true

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more consistent damage boost

lucid oar
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But snow burst is better than all of those, and only requires one boon

turbid needle
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What is the best aspect for the bow

proven osprey
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Rama is the best for high heat because it does not need a lot to work.
Hera is the fastest because casts builds scale pretty well

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All bows are good though

limpid hill
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What best build for Arthur aspect?

solar dawn
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Heart rend for massive damage

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go for artimes on attack and passion dash to apply weak

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Shadow slash is the best hammer for it

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It attacks pretty slow, so smoldering air is another good duo for it

limpid hill
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Thx

solar dawn
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gl, ideally you spec into artimes to make those crits as big as possible

turbid needle
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Good boons to go for with Fists? It's my first time using them and I'm not sure what to go for. Maybe Zeus + Poseidon?

proper furnace
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zeus poseidon works well
hangover also works

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you can go ME always

turbid needle
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I do love me some ME but my last two runs used that. I might try hangover, I've not built around that before. Anyone you recommend pairing with that?

solar dawn
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Aphrodite and ares work well with hangover builds

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Go for passion dash for easy and consistent weak application

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Don't get more than one source of hangover too, they don't stack

turbid needle
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Alright cool. Am I looking at their duo boons?

solar dawn
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Yep

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Low tolerance lets hangover stack to 8 and curse of nausea makes hangover proc 3 times a second instead of 2

turbid needle
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Oh nice. I need to rank up some keep sakes so let's see if I can get curse of nausea!

proper furnace
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also take dio cast if you can for the legendary

turbid needle
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Cool, will do!

scarlet ingot
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Im doing a chiron bow with artemis just to get the bounties quickly should I get relentless volley or piercing volley i got offered both of them

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Im thinking Relentless Volley incase I get Concentrated Volley later?

solar dawn
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Relentless is better

terse thistle
terse thistle
proven osprey
terse thistle
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It seems whenever Zeus and Poseidon comes together it gets insane strong. Especially with dashes

proven osprey
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Zeus is good on fast weapons and scales very well with itself (jolted, legendary)

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Tidal dash is the best damage dash

terse thistle
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Trying that once I lose my Arthur streak

turbid needle
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Had to pause my run due to a minor emergency. I think I've been spoiled by other boons to the point hangover doesn't feel super satisfying. It did kill Bone Hydra pretty quick tho, no luck on the duo boon sadly cause Ares refused to give me his special haha

proper furnace
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if you are doing hangover i suggest taking the curse of vengeance instead of the special and fill the slots with boons that doesnt open more duos

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if you are using hangover you are probably gonna aim for low tolerance too, and tbh aphro-ares duo is not good

turbid needle
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Gotcha. Unfortunately I got neither option and I don't have the mirror option for re-rolls unlocked as of yet.

Fists are fun though. I got the dash strike boon for armoured enemies and it shreds! The dash strike is super easy to use compared to everything else as well

proper furnace
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i love that hammer

turbid needle
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So good, made Elysium a cake walk and I usually have to focus pretty hard here

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Well that makes it 6 in a row, every weapon back to back. Time to add some heat, I guess. Game feels pretty easy right now oops

cosmic frigate
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good thing it has the heat system (I just started using it)

turbid needle
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Any recommendations? I'm not sure which options to take. Extreme measures looks fun

cosmic frigate
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I only played with those that seemed the easiest to manage, so far

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like the one with 400% damage traps and magma

proper furnace
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Just do what sounds fun tbh
If you dont want to go over your current heat il say extreme measures

proper furnace
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Not even worth the 1 heat

cosmic frigate
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the one with more enemies felt manageable too

turbid needle
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Oh I'm on no heat as of now, wanted to clear with everything first. I think I'll try out Extreme Measures first.

Just hard to tell what's going to be crushing my soul by looking at the list

proper furnace
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When trying heats alone they shouldnt be a problem

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Maaaaybe Tight deadline if you have slower clears than 36 mins

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And heightened security
That makes hades pots hit for 120 damage

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Not fun

turbid needle
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Oh my clears are about 28 mins on average so far? I could probably try tight deadline if Extreme Measures is a bit much

proper furnace
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Damage control with fists is fine too
Low heat has a lot to get away with

turbid needle
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I've heard Extreme Measures highest rank changes all the boss fights in a run and I'd like to be able to beat all of them I guess

proper furnace
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Yeah each rank affects a different boss (em1 being meg, em2 hydra and meg and so on)

cosmic frigate
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the 1st one was a surprise to me, but I ended up winning the fight without much trouble

turbid needle
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Oh cool! Does it force Meg to appear? I'm trying to unlock her heart in the codex but she's not been showing up

proper furnace
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Doesnt force

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I said meg for laziness lol

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It affects any of the 3

turbid needle
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Oh fair, no worries haha

cosmic frigate
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just try it at lvl 1, it will only affect that fight in the run

turbid needle
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I think I will do. Sadly I'm on the early shift at work tomorrow so it will have to wait

cosmic frigate
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yea, I'll have a few busy hours too, and I'll be thinking about Hades, haha

proper furnace
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Good thing about em1 is that once you pass it the rest is just your normal run

cosmic frigate
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yea

turbid needle
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Yep that's been me all week haha!

Oh so it's literally just the boss fight then? Just regular rooms/bosses outside of that?

proper furnace
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Yup

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But they get affected by other pacts so be careful

turbid needle
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Now if I was to go to 3 heat for example would I receive the bounties for heat 1 & 2 as well?

proper furnace
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Nope

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Would count for heat 1 only

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You can also go over your current heat, check if you can beat it then stay with the same pact until you need more heat

turbid needle
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So repeat runs on the same heat reward the skipped bounties?

proper furnace
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Yup

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If you do 3 heat for your 1 heat bounty you can do the same pact for 2 and 3 heat

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I did it a lot bc all the pacts i used were way more fun than just "enemies do more damage"

turbid needle
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Oh that's cool, I can basically just run Extreme Measures until I get all the bounties available for that pact then add extra stuff on like tight deadline?

proper furnace
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Depends on the level of EM

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1 gives 1 heat, 2 gives 3, 3 gives 6

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And em4 gives 10 heat alone

cosmic frigate
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oh, didn't know that about EM

proper furnace
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If you can realiable win em4 you can do heat 1 to 10 with just that, is fun

turbid needle
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Or if I stack them all up I can do heat 1 - 20?

proper furnace
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Total by using max lvl EM is 10
Itself is 4 more heat

turbid needle
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Ohhh I totally misread that

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It's been a long day lol

proper furnace
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Em1, 1 heat
Em2, 2 more heat (3 total)
Em3, 3 more heat (6 total)
Em4, 4 more heat (10 total)

turbid needle
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Well looks like I'm about to crank the difficulty right back up then! This game is kind of exceptional isn't it

languid forum
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what weapons are good for boonless runs

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apart from arthur

proper furnace
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Hestia, zag bow, rama probably

languid forum
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thank you

sterile fiber
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and take the shattered shackle

rugged geyser
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What boons does one look for when doing a boonless run?

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Considering you can’t take any that fill your attack/special/cast/dash

proper furnace
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You dont take boons at all dusa

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Most people do that if you are forced to take a boon (mini boss) you dont use that skill until you sell it

languid forum
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i was forced to take ares special on my last boonless run

turbid needle
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use shackle

languid forum
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luckily it was on arthur

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id o

rugged geyser
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Well don’t you also get a boon on room one?

edgy mauve
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as they said

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u just dont use the ability

rugged geyser
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Also what is banana spear

edgy mauve
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its achilles

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the aspect of achilles

proper furnace
granite gulch
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why cant we post pics

boreal prism
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Spam protection

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You can post a link to an image though

celest horizon
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Trying Arthur's for the first time, didn't go in with any boon in mind. Any advice on what to focus on? Got Athena for my first boon, no Dash though

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Wow just got Greater Consecration, Super Nova, and Double Nova on the same hammer

edgy mauve
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Sadge no dedge or shadow slash

celest horizon
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Seriously, I feel like I got screwed lol. I can still get dash, but should I go Super Nova or Consecration? The latter seems obvious

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Yeah definitely Consecration, I don't need this thing to do damage

terse thistle
grand oasis
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Just want to ask something about ||Beowulf, while charging it, does it block more angle than the others because in its animation the shield is relatively on the side (perhaps a starting position for a momentum). I tried it and it also blocks your front (where the arrow was) and the side (where the shield was)||. Thank you!

boreal prism
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it does block more

sterile fiber
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copypasta'd from earlier

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Normal, then Beowulf

rotund nebula
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When you don’t have beowulf unlocked yet, which Sheild aspect is best? Chaos…Zeus?

edgy mauve
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zeus is probably the best when u dont have beowulf imo

hazy cave
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Zeus is by far my favorite

sterile fiber
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imo Zeus > Beowulf even

sharp sinew
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What does hidden gun do

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It’s the only one I’m missing

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Is it good

raw blade
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its fun

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i like it

proper furnace
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laser that ramps up its damage
special stays as bomb in the place, once you damage it, explodes

raw blade
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it shoots laser beams

proper furnace
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the bombs also radiate a wave that spreads any effect your special has

acoustic vale
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Why is shadow slash so good? Like it doesn't apply to dash strike, which I'm told is what you should be spamming most of the time

proper furnace
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Arthur has a powerful combo (highest base damage iirc) so a backstab with it will hurt

steel swan
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huge backstab damage

bronze marten
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double damage on the boomstick means backstab base is 120/160/400 before boons applied

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from behind

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And if you get athena and more backstab

grand oasis
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Thanks, @sterile fiber and @boreal prism !

terse thistle
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Arthur plus shadow slash and boom lotta good damage

fair cairn
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arty + shadow slash, 2K+ crit from behind in tartarus

iron locust
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You know I think it's weird that no one seems to talk about Zeus Aid

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It's insane, actually insane

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Easily cleaved off 7k HP from Hades with max call

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Probably would've hit 10k if I was faster to reach into the lazers

lucid oar
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Zeus' aid is great, it's the best call for DPS

iron locust
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Not to mention, stuff like Double Strike, Splitting Bolt, all seems to exponentially increase its power

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That's bonkers

lucid oar
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Well, I have mentioned Zeus' aid/Zeus aid/Zeus call over 20 times in this server dusa

proper furnace
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normally you use zeus call without greater call dusa

lucid oar
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Yeah because Hades always goes invincible

iron locust
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I use Greater for bosses with good windows

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Normal calls for goon swatting

proper furnace
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wouldnt normal give you the same dps more often?

lucid oar
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Exactly, more jolted uptime too

iron locust
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Too lazy to press extra button

proper furnace
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fair TowaShrug

iron locust
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But that leaves me wondering, what about Smoldering Air, is that exclusively for Aphro call?

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No right?

proper furnace
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any call except hades

lucid oar
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Any call that isn't sigil

iron locust
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Nice

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Welp time to see how nuts that is in practice

lucid oar
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It's the best with Zeus and Dio, the former is a prerequisite to the duo

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Which is hugely beneficial

proper furnace
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i think i never used smoldering with other calls than dio/zeus SuiDerpy

solar dawn
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Smoldering Athena carried my first clear

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Free iframes every 5 seconds is nuts

iron locust
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It is

proper furnace
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smoldering poseidon sounds fun

iron locust
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Not to mention, Athena's Aid is also pretty good DPS wise

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It's basically going

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"Yeah you unlocked creative mode go ham"

cunning urchin
turbid needle
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What are good aspects/boons for Shield? It's the only weapon I haven't like so far and I want to invest into a little bit more

iron locust
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I'm a Aspect of Zeus nut and to be expected it's good with Zeus Special

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The flat 30 damage from the blitz disc repeatedly hitting enemies combined with Lightning Bolts is pretty solid, also works with things like Hangover or Athena's Reflect

proper furnace
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ME zeus shield is fun

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hidden shield if you have it is great too

iron locust
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Tricky to learn though

turbid needle
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Okay cool, I'm sat on 18 titan blood so looking to start actually spending it. I'll try Zeus shield out.

No hidden aspects for me yet sadly

solar dawn
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Hidden shield is one of the best aspects in the game overall imo

proper furnace
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zeus shield doesnt need that much the lvls

iron locust
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Yeah honestly Zeus Shield's mechanically solid

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Throw out the blitz disc, and basically "f**k everything in this direction"

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Dire Misfortune, Pressure Points, Lightning Strikes, all work well with the blitz disc

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One I wouldn't recommend is just Poseidon Special

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Why would you fling them out of the AoE, unless playing basketball with the wall

proper furnace
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zeus^2 is absolute fun, specially if you also get zeus aid

turbid needle
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Okay in to the run I go!

iron locust
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I remember how I got by back then was Athena Special with blitz disc, and sat inside of it

sterile fiber
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Unless Tempest Flourish + Sea Storm + knockback

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Clear Styx rooms in 2 seconds

iron locust
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Works good with ME, as all things do, but its solid reapplication makes it better than most, and that hammer with the double strike on the attack with no knockback can really eat them up

iron locust
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Or the cast, that's also good

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And if you're getting Artemis, cross your fingers and get the Dual Shot

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Dual Shot Poseidon's Cast is interesting because Poseidon's Cast isn't defined by its damage but by its potential

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You may inflict less cast damage, but as far as I've noticed, the water blasts and barrier collision still deal max damage

polar lodge
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do i go with charon coin or do i go with daedalus hammer?

strange lark
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hammer

mild raft
sinful stream
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Hey guys, what is the best build for the Aspect of Chiron bow?

proper furnace
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dio special wants poms on it and artemis wants hunter mark and special damage from chaos

cunning urchin
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There's no single best build for every goal you might have in mind.

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There's a fastest build, safest build, most reliable, best for bosses, easiest for beginners, etc. Sometimes they overlap, but not necessarily.

sinful stream
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I will test , thanks guys

cunning urchin
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I suggest, generally, think about the goal you have in mind, what 1-2 core boons look like they would best help you with that, and what Duo Boons and t2 boons they can lead into.

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The codex and the wiki can help a lot with that.

acoustic vale
cunning urchin
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And then you have a simple goal of maybe 4-5 boons that you really want and a few others that are optional but would also be great, and just work towards that.

chrome ridge
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Going for a Zeus build on lucifer aspect. Woule Flash Fire be better or Eternal Chamber?

lucid oar
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Flash fire

cunning urchin
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And if you're not sure what would be good besides the 4-5 you want, you just try to get the 4-5 you really want, and make sure that the other boons you take don't get in the way of that.. and maybe you still get a little bit out of them, too.

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For example, you have a build in mind that wants 4-5 boons from Lady Aphrodite and Lord Dionysus, but you also happen to get Lady Artemis in your pool and don't really know what to do with her in the build... picking something passive like Pressure Points doesn't get in the way of your build at all but still provides a little bit of extra damage.

acoustic vale
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So, when I'm using Lucifer, should I be detonating the bombs or allowing them to do their radius thing?

lucid oar
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Detonating them

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Even if you have the hammer that makes them radiate more damage, still detonate them

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(although you shouldn't really be picking that hammer if you want a good build for DPS)

cunning urchin
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Greater Inferno is pretty good.

sterile fiber
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is Heart Rend Zeus better with Artemis on Attack or Special

lucid oar
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Assuming Zeus aspect, then special

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There is argument for putting aphro on special and ignoring Artemis on attack tbh, explosive return is a huge damage upgrade on that aspect, and it can't crit

sterile fiber
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so just exclusively use the special?

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probably give both a spin (hah)

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how do you use Explosive Return productively? Repeatedly throw and quickly recall the special in the middle of a crowd?

lucid oar
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I don't know the specifics, but yeah something like that

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You could watch Baj's runs on YouTube for a good idea of how to use it

sterile fiber
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time to boot up the seeded 64 again whooo

lucid oar
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He's been uploading more recent speedruns, including 50 heat, and anyheat, both of which use the hammer I believe

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On YouTube as well

sterile fiber
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tried 64 the other day and literally got Thunder Flourish + Frost Strike as the first 2 boons

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sadly not enough skills to win

lucid oar
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Pretty good ngl

sterile fiber
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was this close to asking why Ruthless Reflex for 64 heat before realizing "oh it's 1 dash becuase of RI4....."

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#scrubmoment

lucid oar
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Ruthless reflex is actually doable on shield at high heat tbh, dodge chance is OP and shield doesn't need the extra dash as much as other aspects

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But RI4 is always painful bouldy

sterile fiber
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1 dash no DD is pain

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at the risk of stirring up more Crutch Discourse, the second dash is more of a game changer than Divine Dash any day imo

lucid oar
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Definitely

sterile fiber
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how to deal with Tisiphone's spreading bullets attack? I struggle when I don't have deflect or an attack that can get rid of them and end up trying to dash into safe spots between the waves

proven osprey
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Of course

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You can destroy projectiles on most weapons

acoustic vale
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not gun though. Or at least not hidden gun

solar dawn
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Her bullets don't come out in an even circle too, the ones coming out from above her come out later

proven osprey
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Yeah not the rail

solar dawn
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I find it easier to deal with from there

sterile fiber
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and not bow

proven osprey
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Bow destroys it

solar dawn
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Bow special too, gives you a nice breadth of area

sterile fiber
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did it? maybe I just missed

proven osprey
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Yeah definitely

sterile fiber
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cool thanks

proven osprey
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Pretty sure you can dash efficiently through the attack tho

solar dawn
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Zoos

proven osprey
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Or just get far away so the projectiles spread and you just weave between

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But I would not say the attack is worth dodging in terms of time

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Until HL

solar dawn
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Dashing through her should work too, since the bullets go from bottom up, although I doubt it's easy

terse thistle
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I feel that tisi also doesn’t have as much hp so just hit her hard and fast

misty sun
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Yeah, I think the furries from easy to hard is Tis<Meg<Alecto

sterile fiber
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fries

strange lark
solar dawn
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Iirc tis has the most health

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Although she attacks less in my experience

strange lark
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meg has the lowest health

sterile fiber
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Tis helps you by shrinking the field so you don't have to chase her down

misty sun
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And she only has 3 forms

cunning urchin
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Tisiphone has the most HP, yeah.

mild raft
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@queen thorn so you’ll want to have cthonic vitality rather than dark regen, this is because you end up healing a lot more with 3 per level than a lot from the darkness

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Plus boss darkness doesn’t even help that much since they’re right before fountains

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Another thing is you’ll want the extra starting gold rather than golden touch

queen thorn
mild raft
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The amount of money you need in order to get a profit out of golden touch is kind of insane

queen thorn
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hehe true

mild raft
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And you’re better off spending the money you get on boons/Poms in shops

lucid oar
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Especially early on

mild raft
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Another reason to run cthonic vitality so you’re not spending money on darkness to heal

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Yea that’s a big thing too

queen thorn
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yeahh

mild raft
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Golden touch struggles late game and requires you to spend almost no money in asphodel to get more than the 100 gold you get from the other option

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Fated persuasion is usually better than fated authority, for one thing it’s used during a time where the in game timer is paused and it also lets you get the specific boons you want rather than a specific god

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Like for example you like to have Artemis or Zeus attack on Achilles, having the chance to get an Artemis boon is nice but you’d rather have the option to roll that Artemis boon for the attack

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Plus god keepsakes help to get you the gods you want in your pool

queen thorn
solar dawn
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Also go for high confidence instead of thick skin

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More damage is pog

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You didn't lose any death defiances so it should be fine for you

misty sun
solar dawn
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Not for speedrunning

strange lark
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use high confidence

queen thorn
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yeah i was doing 1k damage to hades at one point

strange lark
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fear is for the weak

solar dawn
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Just don't get hit

queen thorn
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thanks you guyss i'll definitely tryy

queen thorn
misty sun
fading nymph
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If you can do it comfortably also use EM2 and some level of FO

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EM2 makes the Lernie heads group together which makes you able to kill them faster

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FO makes enemies spawn in faster

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And they attack faster so you get more Jolted procs

mild raft
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^ that too

worn solar
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i kinda like golden touch for buying the bounty item in styx

mild raft
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Oh persuasion is also better for Hermès boons since you’ll only see two of him anyways and it’s better for getting big damage from hyper sprint + rush delivery

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Golden touch is like kinda funny if you get hoarding slash start on sword and just never spend any money

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Emphasis on funny because it’s not good

tidal nebula
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flaring spin, charged skewer, or quick spin for guan yu?

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first time using it

lucid oar
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Charged skewer

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It's by far the best hammer on it

edgy mauve
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charged skewer is so good on guan yu

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by far u never pick it over anything else

tidal nebula
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thanks

sudden harness
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I'm so close to beating the last boss

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I keep getting to them then losing

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Styx is really hard for me

proper furnace
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if you are having problems with styx/poison the broken spear point can be nice, as it give you a bit of extra time to search for the cure without much damage

terse thistle
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omg having passion dash and deadly strike on arthur is already insane

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heart rend... it's over

terse thistle
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yep amazing build, broke my time record

edgy mauve
terse thistle
# edgy mauve what did u get?

18:41:24, better than my other records, i really wasn't expecting things to go so well. hitting like 2k damage here and there was sweet

sterile fiber
#

Fiery or Shadow Presence for Hestia?

turbid needle
#

I use fiery for the 1 shots

fading nymph
#

be careful to not mess it up with a dash that does damage though

delicate tusk
#

@turbid needle

turbid needle
#

Yo

delicate tusk
#

I suggest something like Dio special and aphro attack

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Go for the duo that allows for more Hangover stacking

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Then maybe Curse of drowning - ares-dio duo boon

turbid needle
#

Okay I’m back

turbid needle
delicate tusk
#

Dionysus!

turbid needle
#

Right but

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What is it

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I’ve never seen it on bow

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Is it just hangover

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On special?

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Or what

delicate tusk
#

Hangover on special

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This is a past run of mine

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I've highlighted what makes it OP

turbid needle
#

Ah alr

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Thanks a lot

#

But one thing is

delicate tusk
#

Good luck!

#

Yeah, what is it?

sinful lily
#

can anyone help me get my first clear on stygian

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im so lost on how to beat the game

delicate tusk
#

Stygius?

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Clearing the game with the sword, you're asking?

sinful lily
#

yeah

delicate tusk
#

Which aspect do you have maxed/like?

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All four have good builds

sinful lily
#

ive got zagreus maxed out and 1 level in nemesis

delicate tusk
#

Zag, then

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Using ares' keepsake, get Doom on attack

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Then try to keep your special and dash slots empty for athena

turbid needle
#

It’s that

delicate tusk
#

You'll work towards a Merciful End build where you apply doom and dash through enemies to deal damage

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(merciful end is the duo between Ares and Athena)

turbid needle
#

I end up focusing on the attack instead of special

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In mah build

delicate tusk
turbid needle
#

Alr

delicate tusk
#

Your special is your main source of damage

turbid needle
#

So when I play it’s

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One attack

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Then special

delicate tusk
#

Yep

turbid needle
#

Alr

delicate tusk
#

One attack, two specials

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You could fit in three but the timing's off

turbid needle
#

Okay thx

sinful lily
#

i wish i didnt start the game on hell modew

turbid needle
delicate tusk
#

Bur yeah my advice should work

sinful lily
#

ill try it now

turbid needle
#

I think I might have to turn on god mode lmaoo

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Cuz like I don’t have much time to play lol

sinful lily
#

whats god mode

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cant use it in hellmode

turbid needle
#

It gives u 20 percent damage resistance

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And if u die it increases by 2

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And it maxes out at 80

delicate tusk
#

@sinful lily god mode is disabled in hell mode so yeah

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Not available for you

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It's aspect of nemesis, but you should benefit from the added attack speed of zag sword

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Double Edge is amazing btw

sinful lily
#

i was just about to ask what do i get for daedalus but yeah double edge

sinful lily
#

bruh i might give up this is too hard

fierce hare
#

what happens when i add more heat than necessary and finish it?

#

does it skip to the required heat next needed? or do i get double the rewards?

lucid oar
#

Say the highest heat you've got all bounties for is 10

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If you do a 20 heat run and win, you'll get all the bounties for 11 heat

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Do that again, you'll get the bounties for 12 heat

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So you can't skip heat rewards, and you also don't get loads of rewards at once for skipping them

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But you don't lose out on anything if you do so

fierce hare
#

ohhhhhh

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okok thanks

fresh jewel
#

So the Very Zaggy Christmas extra challenge says to get boons from all 10 gods, but can't you technically get 11? 9 Olympians + Chaos + Hades Call

fierce hare
#

man i regret converting like 5-6 ambrosia to titans blood to upgrade aspects i just unlocked the locked heart of meg and maaaaan the companion and the full romancing takes quite. lot

cunning urchin
fierce hare
#

and technically not 11 then since chaos isnt a god but a primordial being right

cunning urchin
#

Master Chaos counts.

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They're a deity.

rugged geyser
#

shadow or fiery precense with eris?

turbid needle
#

shadow

proper furnace
#

Why would you use shadow SuiZoom

lucid oar
#

No fiery

turbid needle
#

oh?

proper furnace
#

Special cant backstab

turbid needle
#

guess I know nothing about eris mb

proper furnace
#

And rail attack is low so that 50% isnt doing anything

lucid oar
#

Rocket bomb with fiery and Eris buff can one shot everything in tartarus

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220 damage

cunning urchin
#

So uncivilized.

turbid needle
#

true 👌

terse thistle
#

We like the pew pew

hushed burrow
#

my god forced overtime is hell

#

i wanna get used to it tho

sterile fiber
#

yeah tried speedrunning with FO2 and it's like
aaaaa dad get away from me

dusty turtle
#

what is the general strat for going shield build?

edgy mauve
#

aspect?

dusty turtle
#

Chaos

edgy mauve
#

thunder flourish

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into more and more zeus

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heavily prioritizing static discharge

dusty turtle
#

ah ok, thanks :p

edgy mauve
#

pretty sure heartbreak flourish with deadly strike heart rend can work

edgy mauve
turbid needle
#

I'm looking to try a cast build with Achilles spear but not sure what to go for? Hunting blades seems like the obvious choice?

proper furnace
#

any cast works tbh
non lodging casts should be better i think (lodging ones probably needs that hermes boons)

turbid needle
#

Oh so I can just shoot for anything and spam it following the rush?

languid forum
#

how do i go 100% olympian free

#

like i cant avoid all boon rooms

proper furnace
#

fathed authority, luck with chaos/erebus gates

languid forum
#

i cant take chaos

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cause that'd be a boon right

proper furnace
#

chaos is not an olympian

languid forum
#

i was aiming for boonless

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is w hat i meant

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my bad

proper furnace
#

then dont count chaos TowaShrug , the rest still applies

languid forum
#

o

proper furnace
#

if you are forced to a mini boss you can just not use that skill until you sell it

languid forum
#

shackle and arthur nice

proper furnace
#

but any cast is extra powerful damage with achilles

turbid needle
#

Or Chaos and try to get a lucky boon from them

proper furnace
#

you can also do artemis start and pick ares/demeter whoever shows first

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if none of them, force the one you like more

turbid needle
#

That's way smarter than my plan - thank you!

errant narwhal
#

i like zeus cast with achilles because it clears rooms well, but its not as fancy as the duo builds. just a cast with a lot of poms on it

proper furnace
#

i should do poseidon/demeter duo with achilles SuiThonk

rugged geyser
#
  • mirage shot
#

I did that once and my fps dropped quite a bit

half delta
#

man dionysus' abilities are pretty busted

#

I'm not usually good at these games but my second clear i got in 30 mins with his abilities and the bow

tidal nebula
#

I got my first clear today stacking artemis abilities, barely used my weapons at all against hades

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had demeter’s rare crop, so I ended with heroic artemis aid, heroic true call, and heroic exit wounds

#

massive damage from cast and full gauge call

acoustic vale
#

It occurs to me that middle managment, fo2, hs, and dm2 might have been a bad set of heats for arthur

turbid needle
#

In Elysium and am trying to find a build to use with Coronacht. So far I've got Aphro attack, Dio special, throw in Artemis somewhere in there. Using Chiron anything you'd suggest?

untold iris
#

if you're planning on having dio special, you want to take privileged status on the mirror, ideally aphro attack and look for the duo boon

proper furnace
#

take every pom into dio special

turbid needle
#

Right

untold iris
#

also look for a non-dionysus call

proper furnace
#

if you feel lucky, dio cast into the legendary is a great boost too

untold iris
#

chiron builds god gauge pretty quickly

#

so having one is nice for boss fights

turbid needle
#

What's the highest rarity of boons?

untold iris
#

heroic

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but you can only see epic normally

turbid needle
#

Those are red right

proper furnace
#

ye

untold iris
#

so just pretend its epic

turbid needle
#

I think I got a Heroic Chaos boon before

untold iris
#

also keep in mind that a common boon that synergizes with your weapon might be better than a heroic boon that doesn't

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i would much rather have common lightning strike on rail rather than heroic doom lol

turbid needle
#

Rail lightning strike is stupid good

proper furnace
#

heroic hangover attack/special for that sweet 1 point of extra damage dusa

lucid oar
#

You can't get heroic chaos boons, you maybe thinking of the legendary

turbid needle
#

What dash should I go for? Artemis right?

lucid oar
#

On rail?

proper furnace
#

call should open dio/artemis boon so maybe that?

turbid needle
turbid needle
proper furnace
#

or cast if you dont wanna try dio legendary

lucid oar
#

Artemis dash isn't great since barely any damage comes from your attack

#

On Chiron

untold iris
#

for chiron your dash isnt super important

#

athena dash is always fine

lucid oar
#

I'd take tidal/thunder/divine/passion

untold iris
#

but generally you want to space as far away from enemies as possible

turbid needle
untold iris
#

so you're not getting much dash damage

proper furnace
turbid needle
#

My god

#

That's stupid

untold iris
#

also I think that dio cast is a huge trap

lucid oar
#

It's basically a big PP

untold iris
#

if you do manage to get the legendary you get +60 damage

lucid oar
#

Dio cast is good :(

turbid needle
#

With Chiron special that's broken powerful.

untold iris
#

but boiling blood is already +50 damage

turbid needle
#

I don't like Dio cast

lucid oar
#

Legendary is global

proper furnace
#

to your attack/special only

turbid needle
#

Still

lucid oar
#

Dio cast was used in my fastest run, that's totally a good reason for it being good...

turbid needle
#

A critical power shot already does about 600 damage

untold iris
#

oh yeah with hangover dio legendary can be good

#

but its still dependent on getting the legendary

#

otherwise you're just stuck with no boiling blood

proper furnace
#

doesnt hurt to aim for tbh

#

dio cast is already powerful on its own

turbid needle
#

With a Dio/Artemis boon that'll be doing stupid amounts of damage

lucid oar
#

CoN and low tolerance are usually better if you're trying to spec into hangover tbh

#

Especially combined

untold iris
#

boiling blood does so much damage to bosses

#

that I think it's actually just really important

lucid oar
#

Depends on the weapon

turbid needle
#

So rn I've got
Aphro Attack
Dio special
Hera Dash
Dio/Artemis duo boon
And Artemis somewhere

proper furnace
#

most of your damage will come from hangover, i dont see the problem to losing boiling blood

lucid oar
#

Basically useless on the rail without clockets/triple bomb on lucifer

untold iris
#

yeah I guess it depends on weapon

#

but a lot of builds really like it

lucid oar
#

And not that good on hangover either, that's already been said

turbid needle
#

What's boiling blood?

lucid oar
#

+50% attack/special damage to enemies with casts in them

turbid needle
#

Oh god I must seem so stupid rn😂

untold iris
#

its a mirror talent

turbid needle
lucid oar
#

Doesn't apply to hangover though

#

So it's good, but not fantastic

turbid needle
#

Maybe get Artemis cast

#

Because then with boiling blood I'm doing stupid high damage

#

How much health does the final boss have?

untold iris
#

at its baseline, boiling blood is an extra 40 damage every time you press special, I think

#

which isnt terrible

turbid needle
#

10K right

lucid oar
turbid needle
#

Jesus

#

Christ

#

That's not awful tbf

turbid needle
#

With Boiling Blood

lucid oar
#

Hera dash?

untold iris
#

its completely fine

proper furnace
#

boiling blood is better than its counterpart anyways

untold iris
#

your build should be able to beat the run

proper furnace
#

little extra damage is better than nothing

turbid needle
untold iris
#

dead enemies deal 0 damage

#

therefore killing enemies is best

#

:^)

strange lark
turbid needle
lucid oar
#

Abyssal blood has its place in high heat where damage isn't coming from the physical attack

#

Remember that boiling blood is just another additive damage increase, damage reduction is harder to obtain

turbid needle
#

Wait what's the counterparts for Priveleged Status and Boiling Blood

lucid oar
#

Family favourites and abyssal blood

lucid oar
turbid needle
untold iris
#

family favorite vs privileged status is one of the most balanced trade offs imo

#

most mirror talents have one that is just clearly better most of the time

lucid oar
#

I think the most balanced one is legacy Vs pride

turbid needle
#

I MEANT ATHENA DASH

untold iris
#

is that the epic vs duo?

proper furnace
#

ye

turbid needle
#

WHAT AN IDIOT

lucid oar
#

Actually, DD vs SD

untold iris
#

oh yeah

#

DD vs SD is a fair tradeoff

#

but basically its dependent on heat

#

I think that duo boon bonus is usually better than epic boon bonus
unless you're at high heat and cant pick your boons reliably

turbid needle
#

How did I get Hera and Athena mixed up

lucid oar
#

They both absolutely have their place in many runs, unlike pstatus which is only better than family favourites in like 3 builds

#

In speedruns, pride is better on almost every aspect

untold iris
#

p status is good when your build reliably applies status

lucid oar
#

But legacy is a ton of fun

turbid needle
#

It's like you're speaking a different language to me rn lmao

untold iris
#

the biggest issue with p status is that artemis on your primary button makes it really hard to reliably apply two status effects

dapper ore
#

duo boons are just usually overall more fun and intresting to play with

lucid oar
#

But with legacy your Hermes boons will suck more

#

And boon prerequisites will be weaker

#

It's a trade-off

turbid needle
#

Hermes boons kinda suck anyways

untold iris
#

i find that for a lot of runs, duo boons are just a huge game changer

lucid oar
untold iris
#

some of them are very good

lucid oar
#

Not true lol

untold iris
#

some of them arent very good

turbid needle
#

Guessing I'm underestimating the value of Hermes boons

untold iris
#

well, one of his boons is +1/2/3 dash

lucid oar
#

Greatest reflex is the best boon in the game, hyper sprint and RD are up there

untold iris
#

which is useful on literally every build

#

but hermes also has plenty of duds

#

like cast related boons on non cast builds

turbid needle
#

The only time I've found them useful is when I got Ares Dash and +dash and beybladed the Hydra

untold iris
#

and his +attack/special speed is only situationally good

acoustic vale
#

The one that adds gold each chamber is nice

lucid oar
#

Attack/special speed is poopy

untold iris
#

iirc his attack speed doesnt apply to dash attacks

turbid needle
untold iris
#

which makes it really bad for some builds

turbid needle
#

I got 3 dashes and absolutely melted boss hp with it

#

It's so easy to kill the Hydra with Ares' dash

lucid oar
#

Hermes doesn't make or break a run, but it certainly helps to scale your damage

turbid needle
#

Okay. Thanks for helping me. I've gotta get some sleep though. Appreciate the help!

untold iris
#

yeah I think that with any weapon, getting your primary boon for damage is most important

#

afterwards you want to supplement it with other stuff that is helpful

turbid needle
#

What's the best way to get Nectar?

untold iris
#

something like hermes dashes or divine dash is always helpful as a supplement for any build

#

but it's less valuable than whatever your primary dps boon is

turbid needle
#

And how do I make sure I get Aphro boons? I never see Aphro boons.

lucid oar
untold iris
#

ye

proper furnace
#

if you dont have her keepsake, pray to rng

turbid needle
#

That's why I need nectar

lucid oar
#

Loophole

turbid needle
#

So I can get her keepsake

untold iris
#

you can trade other currencies for nectar

#

in the lounge

turbid needle
#

I need all my currencies rn

untold iris
#

well just try to find nectar rooms

#

dionysus also has a boon that gives you 1 nectar

lucid oar
#

Can take Dionysus' boons to maybe get premium vintage

turbid needle
#

So I'm relying fully on rnjesus

#

When did that ever work

lucid oar
#

Or sunken treasure if you're really lucky

untold iris
#

does sunken treasure give nectar???

#

i dont remember that happening

turbid needle
#

It can

lucid oar
#

Very small chance

#

Higher if it's epic/rare

untold iris
#

also do infernal troves give nectar

sweet frigate
#

No

untold iris
#

because I swear that Ive gotten nectar from them before

#

but i could be crazy

turbid needle
#

Okay gn guys.

#

Thanks for the hel0

#

Helo

#

Hell

#

Help

strange lark
#

Bruh

untold iris
#

5% chance of nectar from troves

#

and 10% from sunken treasure

sweet frigate
#

Weird

edgy mauve
lucid oar
#

Eh, it's dependent on hyper sprint to be really OP

edgy mauve
#

so just get it

#

why i think that is because +dashes is kinda useless on two weapons

lucid oar
#

I forgot, I can just select it out of the list of boons that lord Hermes offers

edgy mauve
#

While RD is beneficial on every weapon

edgy mauve
lucid oar
#

Even in speedruns +dashes will help

#

On everything

edgy mauve
#

thats

lucid oar
#

Including hestia

edgy mauve
#

hestia starts with tidal dash

lucid oar
#

But most of the damage comes from either clockets or Zeus call, ideally

#

Not tidal dash

edgy mauve
#

lets see what is +dashes doing on beowulf/hera besides movement

lucid oar
#

Makes you take less damage

edgy mauve
#

so does HS

lucid oar
#

Better positioning

edgy mauve
#

it gives u sturdy homie

lucid oar
#

Greater reflex does both

#

Take less damage, and do more damage

edgy mauve
#

since when does greater reflex make u do more damage with beowulf/hera

#

im really not getting ur point here

#

is it because of HC or what

lucid oar
#

On 22/24 aspects this is the case

edgy mauve
#

on 24./24 RD helps a ton

lucid oar
#

And is dependent on another boon

edgy mauve
#

oh

#

rule out all the bows

#

well

#

yeah

#

all the bows

#

none of them benefit very much from +dashes imo

lucid oar
#

Rama and zag bow need all the positioning they can get

#

Chiron sucks, ignore that one

edgy mauve
#

so we ignoring chaos shield too?

#

tdoes =dashes do that much for zeus shield

edgy mauve
lucid oar
#

Positioning alone is enough to make it deal more damage

edgy mauve
#

hmmph?

#

elaborate

thorn jackal
#

Dusa my beloved

iron locust
#

Lol my game broke???

#

Has this happen before?

#

Going higher removes bounties, going lower SHOWS bounties

proper furnace
#

0 heat is tracked appart

#

so you could do 1 to 20 and still not complete 0 heat

iron locust
#

But isn't this a bug?

#

Because I've definitely completed Coronacht's bounties, 0-20

proper furnace
#

free titan blood

iron locust
#

I have like 60

untold vortex
#

You sure you've completed heat 0 on bow, the pact seems to say otherwise

iron locust
#

Don't know, about to find out

misty sun
#

What would be good on Lucifer?

thorn jackal
#

Dusa my beloved

mild raft
#

Get triple bomb if it’s offered

#

Aphro special into smoldering is nuts too

thorn jackal
misty sun
mild raft
#

Get it with Zeus or Dio call and it’s literally one of the strongest duos in the game

#

The only times I would consider not taking it is with Arty, Aphro, or Athena call

acoustic vale
#

I gotta rebound special when I use zeus shield, I bound it to scroll wheel to make other weapons easier but it kinda interferes with zeus

mild raft
#

What kind of keybind

#

I just use right click for special

#

Left click for attack

#

Or right click is cast if I’m using Beo or Hera

acoustic vale
#

I've got left click attack, right click cast, scroll up special

#

I originally had cast as scroll up, but I kept scrolling down to cast downwards and that doesn't work

acoustic vale
#

Jesus, Ares really wants to show up in every run I do

dull gale
acoustic vale
#

It's been 20 something runs and he's been in ALL of them

#

Lost a DD in Tartarus. But it was against Charon, so still

flat kelp
#

DUSA IS HOT

misty sun
#

You know what, I'm going to book-end my main story clears. 1st was with Spear (Achilles), last will be too.

What would work for Guan?

lucid oar
#

Charged skewer, deadly/heartbreak flourish

rugged geyser
#

Any good Eris builds other than Zeus?

solar dawn
#

Hangover is nice on it

sudden harness
#

Good Lucifer build?

raw blade
#

posiedon attack with zeus special and sea storms

#

hella fun

digital bramble
#

Watersoaker basically

solar dawn
#

Doom on it is fun too although not as effective as rama

#

For Poseidon attack you pretty much need sea storm or you literally have a water soaker and do 4 dps

toxic siren
#

aight time to curse of longing chiron.

delicate tusk
#

Why curse of longing chiron when you can curse of NAUSEA chiron (and low tolerance)

#

Apply MORE HANGOVER

proven osprey
#

dire misfortune Chiron zagPls

delicate tusk
#

Add ME onto that

lucid oar
#

RaME

#

With relentless volley

delicate tusk
#

MMMMMMM

lucid oar
#

Sounds like a good build for 50 heat maybe thanthink

delicate tusk
#

Shoot, special twice, and hit the "detonate target" button

proven osprey
arctic grotto
#

I just got athenas aid epic, merciful end and divine protection in 1 blessing or whatever

#

ughhh

#

which one is the best

lucid oar
#

Merciful end

#

Next priority should be divine dash

arctic grotto
#

yea Im on the last place tho

#

Idk name

#

Styx I think

unborn pawn
#

is zagreus immune while dashing with attack still on?

cunning urchin
#

Only empty dashes are invincible.

#

If you do a Dash-Strike, you don't get i-frames.

unborn pawn
#

well since lucifer is a bit different i was hoping but nevermind then

lunar flare
#

How do Zeus builds work with the spear?

lucid oar
#

Pretty good, put him on attack and try and get static discharge and flurry jab

#

And the legendary if you can

lunar flare
#

I'm thinking aspect of Zagreus, Zeus attack and call, Artemis special, Poseidon dash, aim to get his higher level boons

#

I wanna get every weapon to at least 16

lucid oar
#

Sounds good, although Artemis' special isn't doing much here

#

Unless you get something like exploding launcher I guess

lunar flare
#

Charged Skewer and watch the crits roll in

bronze marten
#

How significant is the buff from ares aphro duo? Effectively doubles doom damage based on math, but over a long time and if I apply more doom it resets?

proper furnace
#

yeah it resets

#

so if you are applying it constantly it does practically nothing ron

dry gazelle
#

are the damage buffs provided by things like the aspect of Achilles's bull rush and the various god boons handled, are they additive or multiplicative?

proper furnace
#

all damage buffs are additive iirc? except crit damage and things like twin/triple shot or mirage shot on beowulf

dry gazelle
#

well that is terrrifying

#

thanks

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does the achilles bullrush have i-frames because it feels like it does?

proper furnace
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Yup

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Is like a big dash basically

untold iris
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percentage damage is additive
you can scale your damage multiplicatively by:

  1. getting crit
  2. increasing your base damage
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the second point is why certain hammers and stuff are really useful

dry gazelle
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so would it be affected by things that enhance dashing

untold iris
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twin shot literally doubles your base damage, so it contributes a lot more damage than you would expect, because that doubled base damage also scales with your percent buffs

edgy mauve
dry gazelle
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huh i did not know that

edgy mauve
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it only buffs the base damage

hollow hearth
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40.9% chance to dodge with plume and greater evasion lmao

edgy mauve
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it wont affect doom or zeus attack or anything

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but it will affect crit chance because that is off of base damage

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zeus attack is still good on achilles because of its very fast attack rate with flurry jab (the best hammer for spear BY FAR) and jolted adds to its insanity

untold iris
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what happens if you don't get flurry 😦

dry gazelle
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jolted is terribly effective

edgy mauve
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then u reset

untold iris
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rip

lucid oar
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You play modded instead

oak lagoon
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what the best talent combo? i have up to thick skin unlocked

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i need 20 keys for the next upgrade

lucid oar
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Dark foresight

misty sun
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How do you best play Beowulf?

lucid oar
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Dash strike into bullrushing, charging the bull rush as little as possible, then spamming the cast button at the last minute

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Pick up your casts and repeat

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You want to start the run with the gods keepsake that has your cast of choice, usually Poseidon or Aphrodite

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From there, you try and build into mirage shot. Artemis attack is ideal, but don't roll over deadly flourish. Flood flare is already a prerequisite, but if you use passion flare, tempest flourish is okay to unlock mirage shot.

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Snow burst is also nice, as well as cast damage/extra stones from chaos and wells

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And of course hyper sprint and rush delivery from Hermes is epic

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And pomming your cast as much as possible

austere rampart
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Also getting Charged Shot makes it a really safe option

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(You just fire a giant projectile with Beowulf)

lucid oar
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Yes charged shot is great for damage

misty sun
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Who gives that?

lucid oar
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In fact it currently holds every speedrun world record

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It's a hammer

misty sun
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Ah

austere rampart
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Also you're basically never using Special with Beowulf unless you're hitting a Snakestone over a pit or something

untold iris
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my one high heat clear with beowulf was charged flight + spam special :^)

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I never really liked cast builds so I just cheesed the beowulf clear

lucid oar
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That was the meta before anyone knew how to play the aspect

untold iris
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i think I also just did my poseidon sword and hera bow run as a regular sword and bow

lucid oar
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Then someone was like, huh, mirage shot does waaaaay too much damage

turbid needle
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charged flight also used to do waaay more

lucid oar
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Yeah it was +400% base damage, now it's just 200%

austere rampart
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Still nice but not enough to be a viable run-changer

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Also does anyone know good boons for Zeus Aspect?

lucid oar
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Zeus special and more zeus

untold iris
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i think thunder flourish is the most consistent build

lucid oar
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Explosive return

untold iris
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afterwards you just take whatever looks best

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zeus aspect makes good use of a ton of different boons and hammers

austere rampart
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Hm, alrighty

untold iris
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if you want to get good at the aspect, the important thing to do is to get comfortable with using the attack while also microing the blitz disc

solar dawn
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For Zeus shield is ME better than just stacking Zeus?

lucid oar
untold iris
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it really pushes your DPS through the roof if you can hit enemies with both attack and the disc at the same time

lucid oar
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If you want a definitive answer you'll have to ask Baj

untold iris
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I think ME is much less consistent than starting zeus

solar dawn
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Hm ok

untold iris
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thunder flourish is strong enough by itself that you can clear tartarus quickly

austere rampart
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I could actually see ME being interesting with Curse of Pain and Divine Strike

solar dawn
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Yeah I've done the stack Zeus route, it's really nice

lucid oar
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The good thing about MEus is that Ares works on both attack and special, and you don't need divine dash

solar dawn
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Haven't tried me yet, ig I'll experiment too to see

untold iris
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is baj still active?

lucid oar
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Can just pick whatever has the highest rarity

untold iris
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I noticed he deleted his videos

lucid oar
solar dawn
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Yeah he was here hanging around

lucid oar
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Has posted modded 50 heat and anyheat WRs in his aspect

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And is attempting 61/62 heat

untold iris
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zeus is a really fun aspect

solar dawn
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Ty for the feedback

untold iris
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on the new file that I just started, I cheesed my 10th escape today by doing 32 heat zeus shield :^)

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free RI1, because I dont have enough darkness for the last three talents anyways

austere rampart
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I still haven't done anything past 20 Heat

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I plan to do a 32 soon

lucid oar
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I've been doing 50 heat Zeus attempts on and off

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And by that I mean I've died 3 times

untold iris
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i think that based on my skill and how the run was going, I would have been able to beat the boss comfortably if I got a 2 sack, because I would have been able to keep patty's buff

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but since I got a 3 sack the fight would have been really close

austere rampart
untold iris
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it does a lot of damage

lucid oar
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Can do a lot of damage while staying safe

austere rampart
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Ah

untold iris
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one of the big issues when you increase the heat is damage

lucid oar
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Strips DC2, doesn't need many boons, works well with loads of hammers

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It's very pact resistant

untold iris
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you're weaker, enemies are beefier/there are more of them, and you have tight deadline on

solar dawn
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Is beo viableish at higher heat or is Zeus just better

lucid oar
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I think beo is better

untold iris
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everything is viable at high heat if you're good

austere rampart
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^

lucid oar
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Both are like top 3 aspects for high heat

untold iris
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every aspect has cleared 50+ heat

austere rampart
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Except Gilgamesh lmao

solar dawn
lucid oar
solar dawn
untold iris
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i think some aspects are better than others, especially when the heat gets way up

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but most people, me included, won't be doing 50 heat

lucid oar
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Yeah 50 heat is not expected by the average player

austere rampart
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Well, you take +10% with Beo, stacked on top of like, +60% is it? I'd say Zeus

lucid oar
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It's still doable

untold iris
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so at the level that we're playing at, the primary factor is just getting better at the game, not the aspect choice

lucid oar
solar dawn
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I've been doing 32 heat runs lately, it's so much harder than 25 lmao

lucid oar
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When your blocking angle is over 200°, half a hard labour is nothing

untold iris
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yeah, heat compounds on itself

austere rampart
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Ig

solar dawn
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Really does not scale linearly

untold iris
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every additional point of heat you add is harder than the last

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because you start needing to take pacts that make other pacts worse

lucid oar
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It's exponential, 0-40 heat is like 40-50 heat

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And 50-60 is like 60-64

solar dawn
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Yeah for 25 I could cover half of it with em3 td3 for minor struggle then just tap some minor stuff on

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32 is making me use most things, and 40 seems unreachable atm

untold iris
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its possible that the jump from 62 to 64 heat is much bigger than even 0-62 :^)

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because you lose stubborn defiance

lucid oar
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Okay, it's not that exponential dusa

solar dawn
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It's easy!

untold iris
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wow

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i didnt think about that

austere rampart
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Ofc

untold iris
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ive been playing this game wrong the whole time

lucid oar
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It's only been beaten with epic RD, jolted and killing freeze

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As well as every single free room and no bad enemies

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So timer isn't an issue, or AP

solar dawn
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What counts as a bad enemy?

lucid oar
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Ones that kill you quickly and take long to kill

solar dawn
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I assume things like shield guys

lucid oar
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Yep

fallow idol
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sorry guys i have a question

lucid oar
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Ask away!

fallow idol
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i dont know the the name of a gift of gods with recovery life when you dont have reborns

untold iris
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what is RD?

lucid oar
solar dawn
untold iris
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oh

fallow idol
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who is the god?

untold iris
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athena

turbid needle
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stubborn roots I think

strange lark
untold iris
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wait are you talking about the athena/demeter duo boon?

fallow idol
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when you dont have reborns and your life wake up automatically

solar dawn
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Athena can give revives, Athena + Demeter can heal

untold iris
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yeah thats athena + demeter

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you need both to have a chance at stubborn roots

fallow idol
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ah okay i need the combo of this 2 gods for it

austere rampart
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Yep

fallow idol
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thanks

solar dawn
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Did 50 heat hestia not take DC? I can't imagine they got past the deadline with it on

austere rampart
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Does Eris increase the power of Support Fire?

strange lark
austere rampart
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Oml Eris is so broken

strange lark
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Yeah it's pretty good

lucid oar
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I've done 52 without any DC at all

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(modded)

untold iris
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eris increases the power of everything

fallow idol
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anyway the range of the ade attack with stick insane

untold iris
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except maybe summon?

solar dawn
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Oh ok

strange lark