zeus attack wouldnt be affected by the ramping base dmg
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
opal lodge
i get what they mean
and the answer is not really
even something like conc beam deadly strike is really underwhelming mostly because
- no aoe
- your ramp up resets every time you have to change targets
both reasons basically boil down to: there are lots of targets in hades the video game by supergiant games and you will have to have ways that deal with all of them at once
and most % based boons dont do that for lucifer
scarlet yoke
should Sudden Rush be so noticable on Beowulf?
feels like it sets the speed of Dragon Rush to the speed of regular Sudden Rush
silk hearth
finally cleared a run with rama :D
i had a lot of trouble with the beam enemies in the satyr tunnels and minotaur, since their attacks felt too fast compared to mine
though i think im more used to minotaur now
im not too sure what to put on my special or dash though
i put artemis on attack
little quiver
Can somebody recommend a fun fist build? Usually i go for ares athena duo with zag aspect but i want to try somthing different
strange lark
Can somebody recommend a fun fist build? Usually i go for ares athena duo with z...
Zeus attack, artemis special, aphro dash, heartrend, and hopefully you get a call so you can get smoldering air
Wait
little quiver
Does that work with zag aspect too?
strange lark
I forgot to mention aspect of demeter
lime jolt
@lucid oar pos sword is honestly about the same usefulness as achilles bcs of the convenience
You don’t have to worry about getting the buff
silk hearth
how do i fight the laser enemies in the satyr tunnels?
is it better to wait out their attack or try to dash through them
silk hearth
oh i didnt know that
glass crown
Hey goes
if i get a buff that improve my dmg and crit for atk on spear
does that helps dash atk?
strange lark
yes
glass crown
Damn thats broken
toxic siren
can someone give a good aspect of chiron builds
strange lark
aphro attack, dio special, curse of vengeance from ares, curse of nausea, low tolerance
or you can go aphro attack, artemis special, heartrend
reef palm
I just beat my first run with the bow using aspect of chiron, had poseiden special and +4 special shots from daedalus hammer. Add in a few other misc things and it worked pretty well.
Main goal is increase effectiveness of the special and spam that as much as possible.
bronze sorrel
Got a new challenge if anyone is interested in taking it. Go and look at your permanent record. Find the worst time for a boon, hammer or keepsake, and optimize a run around it to get the fastest time you can. For Keepsake it must be used as either your first or final keepsake (or you can keep it for the full run if your feeling spicy). For a boon, if it can receive Pom upgrades, it must receive the majority of your pom upgrades. For a hammer, you must put the majority of pom upgrades into the boon corresponding to the attack or special the hammer improves/"improves". Tell us your original time and we can help brainstorm a build to improve on it.
Personally I will be trying to improve on my blizzard shot time, currently with a single clear at 49:55.88 igt XD
lucid oar
Got a new challenge if anyone is interested in taking it. Go and look at your pe...
I'm going with curse of longing, time to beat is 20:54.12
bronze sorrel
Thats your slowest time of any boon, hammer or keepsake?
lucid oar
Yes
bronze sorrel
hats off, a real variety player
lucid oar
I've gotten pretty quick
bronze sorrel
I mean, most of my aspect time records are sub 15 igt now, but if I look at keepsakes, boons, and hammers there are just some I haven't touched since forever ago
strange lark
my slowest time is 26:07
it was my 40 heat hestia run
and i cant go fast with hestia
lucid oar
It's winged serpent at 27:29.68
strange lark
my slowest time on a boon is 21:49 on vengeful mood
bronze sorrel
whats your best time for Harpy Feather Duster?
strange lark
my slowest time for a hammer is 21:16 on perfect shot
cunning urchin
That reminds me, Wave of Despair and Cold Embrace are only at 32 Heat. I got all her other boons to 40+.
bronze sorrel
That reminds me, Wave of Despair and Cold Embrace are only at 32 Heat. I got all...
Of course you did lol
lucid oar
Alright, leaving Tartarus at 2:25. I have common aphro special, and charged skewer. Never saw winged serpent or natural Ares.
cunning urchin
I have a clear with Perfect Catch, but I have no clears with Icy Flare, Curse of Drowning, Slicing Flare, and Freezing Vortex.
Proof that Perfect Catch is better than any of those boons.
Find the worst time for a boon, hammer or keepsake, and optimize a run around it to get the fastest time you can.
I think we got a problem here.https://imgur.com/a/EDqqGLj
strange lark
you have to time travel
lucid oar
Does Old spiked collar add 50 health or 25 health with Guan yu?
strange lark
25
lucid oar
I'm taking acorn
cunning urchin
Lucky Tooth still gives 100 HP.
bronze sorrel
are there old patches still available for download somewhere? lol
warm aspen
Does anyone know a good attack only build for zagreus aspect malphon fists?
cunning urchin
Divine Strike.
cinder perch
^^^
elder gale
Trying to get to the surface with Lucifer, opinions?
Keepsake/build goals?
Lemme ping one of the most knowledgeable people I know, @cunning urchin
strange lark
My favorite Lucifer build is artemis special and triple bomb
You can also go for zeus attack or aphro attack but with aphro attack you need to keep the ramping effect on it
cunning urchin
For hammers, I'd say these are my preferences. https://i.imgur.com/bLyCD6q.png
elder gale
Nothing's worse than C tier, I guess.
cunning urchin
Eh, I could have put A, B, C, D instead. They're just relative strength.
Roughly.
I like starting with Heartbreak Flourish and then getting Lightning Striking + Smoldering Air or Heartbreak Strike and then Deadly Flourish + Heart Rend.
Divine Flourish is also really, really good.
Meta is Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash and getting any % Special that isn't Tempest Flourish.
Similar to Eris builds.
I don't actually think the aspect has bad hammers. Just Concentrated Beam doesn't do very much if you don't have a % boon on Attack.
And Triple Bomb is easily the best.
elder gale
Mmm
Random thought: game modifier where you get your benefits at the beginning of the room, but the encounter is harder (similar to a test of the gods).
Maybe not the place to mention it but it's an interesting idea.
elder gale
Opinions on Curse of Drowning?
Other options are common Impending Doom and rare blood frenzy
turbid needle
I've never been able to get Curse of Drowning to work well.
Could always take it and sell it for big bucks.
elder gale
Lol
turbid needle
if you get lucky enough for that
elder gale
I have...5 reroll tokens
cinder perch
Are you planning on being close to foes?
elder gale
https://imgur.com/a/7rjboLB
current build
cinder perch
Do you like using flood shot to take out distant foes?
Drowning will remove that option so you'll need to lean into close range combat
turbid needle
drowning feels bad yeah
elder gale
reroll, maybe?
cinder perch
But if you aren't using flood shot you may as well take the extra close range damage
turbid needle
take it and get big bucks at least
elder gale
See, my flood shot is Heroic...so it deals a lot of damage.
I took down Lernie...pretty quick
It gave me the option to sell for 410...but I wasn't using cast really before this, so
I'm not really crying that now I'm using it pretty often
Oh no...Triple Bomb + Greater Inferno...
cunning urchin
Impending Doom is decent.
lucid oar
Perfect catch is probably better than icy flare and freezing vortex tbh
elder gale
Swapped Lighting Strike Common for Tempest Strike Rare...tbh, the water gun is pretty funny.
cunning urchin
But bye bye damage lol.
You'll need to get Sea Storm if you want Tempest Strike to do damage.
opal lodge
i think triple beam is pretty good
piercing is also good aoe if you know how to play with it
elder gale
You'll need to get Sea Storm if you want Tempest Strike to do damage.
Double Rerolled for Sea Storm, booyah
cunning urchin
@opal lodge was that in reference to my tier list? Yeah, I think they're pretty good, too. I just like the ones I put in S and A more.
cunning urchin
Like I said, I don't think Lucifer has any actually bad hammers.
opal lodge
you like greater inferno?
cunning urchin
I just saw I didn't actually put it in my tier list lol. I made that one months ago.
I think Greater Inferno is underrated.
opal lodge
greater inferno is in A i think
cunning urchin
I don't think it's amazing, but it's pretty good.
It's just if you have Triple Bomb, your bombs will go off so quickly that Greater Inferno doesn't really do much.
opal lodge
yeah that makes sense
vale stirrup
so aspect of zagreus bow with triple shot and attack piercing armor with heart rend in mind along with crush shot that becomes parting shot added with sweet surrender and my aid was hangover because i wanted more crit chance but i didnt get the duo but at least it gave enemies a status curse with severely dropped their health what a build i had today
cunning urchin
That's one long sentence.
vale stirrup
lets just say enemies went pop and dada health bar was not a health bar
opal lodge
triple shot good
vale stirrup
i was also on the enemies have perks pact and boy i forgot to mention i had dying lament which well the rest is history
elder gale
https://imgur.com/a/UVlOwhq
Not sure on choice here
cunning urchin
lol I got stomped on and then dashed into the shockwave twice. I-haven't-played-with-Serrated-Point-in-awhile things.
'Twas a good run.
Lightning Rod is decent.
elder gale
Do I have a reason to cast, tho
cunning urchin
Sure, for Boiling Blood and Lightning Rod.
Thunder Dash is weak.
Static Discharge doesn't do that much if your only lightning boon is Call and you use a weapon that doesn't build Call fast, either.
You could also sell Lightning Rod and buy two boons and a pom for the money.
And if you plan on getting Smoldering Air and Heart Rend, getting Lightning Rod out of the pool will be best for your odds.
vale stirrup
speaking of zeus dash in a way the lightning reflexes does dodge chance have a synergy with it 🤔
cunning urchin
I don't think so.
vale stirrup
so the near misses dont count
cunning urchin
"Near miss" only procs when you dash in time.
I'd recommend swapping Olympian Favor to Dark Foresight, by the way.
vale stirrup
what was dark foresight again
cunning urchin
You get more gold laurel rewards.
Normally, the odds for gold vs blue are 50/50.
Maxed Dark Foresight gives you +20%, which ends up being 70/30 odds.
So you're actually getting 1.4x as many gold laurel rewards.
vale stirrup
yeah i have that as my mirror option
cunning urchin
You should use that, yeah.
vale stirrup
do bosses get perks or that is just extreme measures
vale stirrup
ok yeah
elder gale
Tempest Flourish Rare, Flood Shot Epic, Boiling Point Epic
cunning urchin
A screenshot that also shows your current build would help.
cunning urchin
You can link images from imgur or a private discord or something like that.
cunning urchin
On the other hand, I can quickly find any images I shared here on my imgur profile.
Ah.
Roll for Tidal Dash.
elder gale
No luck
cunning urchin
Roll again.
cunning urchin
Flood Shot then to fill the priority slot. Better odds for Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash next time you see them.
elder gale
Took a random boon and filled special with Thunder Flourish
cunning urchin
Nice nice.
Next boon from Poseidon or Lady Artemis will be 10% an exchange or 90% the Dash.
ebon tinsel
does athena dash increase i frames?
lime jolt
No
ebon tinsel
so then why is it so good
dont mean to come across rude it just feels like it makes dash more forgiving
ebon tinsel
so it protects you from things a normal dash would not?
turbid needle
yes
well if you i frame correctly you go through attacks anyway
but the deflect lasts longer
so its waaay more forgiving
ebon tinsel
so it kinda increases i frames?
turbid needle
if you wanna say it like that
ebon tinsel
cool tx
restive vale
trying to get 100% boons. stuck on lightning phalanx. seems like i can get phalanx shot on chamber 1, get one of the zeus boons next, then i can get all the way through hades without ever seeing that duo. i’ve got the mirror maxed, wearing the owl or lightning pendant the whole time… am i missing something about duos?
turbid needle
it could be bad rng generally try to fill up your core slots, buy yarns and try not to get other duos with zeus and athena unlocked because they could take over priority
silk hearth
i like athena dash too since im not good enough to deal with the enemies spamming orbs without dying
turbid needle
its a very good dash, no reason not to take it unless you want specifically somethin else
restive vale
thx. i really feel like ring is against me last few days.
filling up cores makes sense.
it’s a hard challenge
silk hearth
what are cores?
restive vale
thanks! i know i can. my goal is to 100% the collectibles in this game.
first game i’ve cared about that much in like a decade.
plus even if i only get a half hour in a day, i can still get darknes/gems
@silk hearth attack, special, cast, dash, call
urban vapor
lucifer build?
scarlet yoke
Low-level lucifer build?
valid prism
Classic zeus atk/artemis special but if you're used to let the atk dmg ramp, any %dmg atk boon can work
scarlet yoke
%dmg never gets better than Zeus I'm told, but it's a lot more takeable than on vanilla rail
Why Crit Flourish though?
valid prism
Potentially one of the best dmg we can hope on the special, same for zag rail and Eris
scarlet yoke
Keyword there is potential
valid prism
- the potential addition of support fire that way
scarlet yoke
Support fire is really good but I Don't think it actually takes an Arty Core as a prerequisite?
valid prism
It's a tier 2 boon so any first arty boon is required to get it, could be core boon or Pressure Point
valid prism
If I play Luci with AP0 or AP1 enabled, exit wounds is probably one of the last choices i'd pick because it doesn't add much directly to the aspect + exit is ruined if the cast boon isn't a lodge type
I'll see it only as sacrifice boon for UC
scarlet yoke
Can't get exit without a lodging cast tho
TBF it's one of the last things I'd pick anyway
valid prism
You still can lodge cast on enemies even if you don't have any boon on it
The boonless is 50 dmg and you can still apply Abyssal or Boiling Blood from it
scarlet yoke
As good as Vanilla Cast is, you can't get Exit with it
valid prism
Oh ok, I didn't read your sentence that way
Mb
According to wiki, exit wounds isn't part of the required boons to get support fire
silk hearth
is exit wounds an arti boon?
valid prism
Yes
silk hearth
o
valid prism
So if you aim to get the Mirage Shot duo for a cast build, exit wounds can be found on the way which is convenient
scarlet yoke
According to wiki, exit wounds isn't part of the required boons to get support f...
Checked the codex and you're right
urban vapor
hammers for lucifer?
i have the options of triple bomb flash fire and piercing
i wasnt able to get chain lightning on attack
valid prism
Triple is one of the best hammers if you have good use of the special
reef palm
What'll be the best boon to go for on the special of aspect of zeus
strange lark
zeus
reef palm
Makes sense I guess
timber coyote
What'll be the best boon to go for on the special of aspect of zeus
I personally enjoy putting ares on the special and athena on the attack and go for merciful end but thats just me
strange lark
yeah that also works
reef palm
I'll try that next run since I'll inevitably fail this one
reef palm
I didn't fail with Zeus somehow, alright then
Only 1 weapon I haven't beaten Hades with now
grand night
What keepsake do you recommend for Tartarus? I usually start w/ Coin Purse then move on to -> God Boon -> Lucky Tooth/Acorn towards the end. What about yall?
strange lark
most of the time i will go:
god -> god/pom -> acorn/tooth -> acorn
grand night
What is Pom in this context? I dont have names memorized
grand night
is that something that makes Poms of Power stronger?
strange lark
its a spoiler
grand night
Well, spoiler tag it or DM me
strange lark
||pom blossom||
fading nymph
||mom keepsake||
grand night
Thats what i figured. dont have that one yet
grand night
interesting. thanks
strange lark
np
grand night
I've also read about "4 Gods per run" not counting: Chaos, Hermes, any keepsake you equip after meeting 4 Gods. Are there any others like Chaos/Hermes that don't play by the Rule of Four?
strange lark
bouldy
fading nymph
grand night
I don't think i've met them outside of the Sysphus' room, if Bouldy is what i think it is
fading nymph
Bouldy stays in there
grand night
am i... supposed to talk to the boulder too?
Or have i not unlocked that yet?
fading nymph
Bouldy doesn't need a fancy home on olympus
you have to enough gift nectar to Sys first
grand night
thought so
strange lark
am i... supposed to talk to the boulder too?
Or have i not unlocked that yet?
well you unlock the ability to talk to bouldy after giving sisyphus 5 or 6 nectar
grand night
im about halfway there then. Cheers
idle copper
curse of agony + impending doom + dire misfortune. rip enemies
idle copper
HADES DIDNT EVEN LET ME KILL HIM ):<
cunning urchin
As good as Vanilla Cast is, you can't get Exit with it
You can.
elder gale
https://imgur.com/a/HnRhetC
options are Rare Tidal Dash, Sea Storm, and Rare Sunken Treasure
cunning urchin
You don't need to ping me, m right here.
cunning urchin
Where's the "please, your excellency" in that.
cunning urchin
Huh?
I probably wouldn't, but if you don't feel confident with Explosive Shot, go ahead.
elder gale
Oh, I got point blank...that'll go easier with explosive!
grand night
Dionysus shows up in my game so often, my girlfriend thinks he's one of the main characters.
He's got some good boons tho, so I'm happy he's a main character in my game. 😂
cunning urchin
@grand night actually, Lady Aphrodite is the main character. She says so herself! 💕
limber whale
well good golly darnit
cunning urchin
Did her high priestess ask her to say that? Yes, I did. But it's canon now. 💕
limber whale
well shoot
elder gale
Hey, So, choices: chaos boon, Aphrodite mini-boss, or shop with 167 gold?
Zag bow with Point Blank and Tidal Dash
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite.
elder gale
I am sending messages out rn, so i guess it works
Heartbreak Flourish, Crush Shot, Wave of Despair. All Rare. 4 Reroll tokens
@cunning urchin ?
little niche
How often do you use cast? I find myself using them on boss to boost the dmg. Otherwise I find it kinda meh
elder gale
Crush Shot Rare, Aid Epic, Wave of Despair Rare. @strange lark
strange lark
Aid
strange lark
How often do you use cast? I find myself using them on boss to boost the dmg. Ot...
I only use my cast on bosses
But it depends on what build I have
elder gale
Heartbreak Strike Common, Crush Shot Rare, Life Affirmation Common
strange lark
Strike
little niche
I only use my cast on bosses
Yeah so my intuition was kinda correct
The animation feels long, dmg is meh, limited
tame bison
I mean you should use your cast against every tanky enemy. Brutes in Tartarus, all the armored things in Asphode, all the armored things in Elysium, big rats.
Not to mention all the builds centered around Casts
50% dmg buff is gigantic
charred spindle
Casts are your friend.
weary ridge
The animation feels long, dmg is meh, limited
Try some of the casts when they have duo boons the damage can get really bonkers when you get that.
tame bison
“Only good for a 50% dmg boost” is level 4 of Eris.
lime jolt
eris has a global damage buff
Boiling blood only buffs atk and special
huge difference
tame bison
That’s not huge.
tame bison
Unless you have a build where the majority of your dmg is your dash...
lime jolt
Thats why eris is the most broken aspect
tame bison
I’m aware Eris is broken
lime jolt
yeah but what ur saying is that global buff vs atk/special buff is not huge
lucid oar
Unless you have cluster rockets, more than 50% of your damage comes from tidal dash
lime jolt
bcs it is
lucid oar
And even then
lime jolt
global buffs are extremely pog
lucid oar
Tidal dash is still huge
lime jolt
+75% also buffs zeus atk/jolted etc
opal lodge
boiling blood good
its mostly good in tart, when you have very few other sources of dmg
the thing is
most newer players wont use it because they dont have to in order to clear
you only have to take advantage of micro optimizations like bb when youre trying to clear efficiently
proven osprey
ABYSSAL GAMERS RISE UP
opal lodge
lol
strange lark
ABYSSAL GAMERS RISE UP
Yes
fading nymph
Pp do I need to find the message of you saying abyssal is bad
strange lark
Uh yeah sure
proven osprey
you really changed your name
strange lark
Yeah
fading nymph
proven osprey
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/8446780568693...
LOL
strange lark
Please don't ban me
fading nymph
@ moderators
strange lark
Yeah
I remember I did the exact same thing to somebody on this server
Karma has come
static karma
How often do you use cast? I find myself using them on boss to boost the dmg. Ot...
Almost no one uses cast enough, including me
Casts are really good vs armored enemies to do more damage
scarlet yoke
it can depend on the particular cast but I almost always forget it exists
same for Call
lime jolt
I just throw it out whenever my dash strike is on cooldown
fading nymph
I always forget to use my call on non boss rooms
scarlet yoke
yeah
tbf, the only calls that are really good for Encounters are Arty, Posei or maybe Dem
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid is weak in encounters. Demeter's Aid is fine for AOE Chill, but she does little damage.
Zeus' Aid and Dionysus' Aid easily take the lead for DPS calls.
Aphrodite's Aid is great if you can charm the right enemies.
fading nymph
Is it good to save for greater call against a boss? I’ve been doing it but wondering if it’s worth
scarlet yoke
Zeus' and Aphro's are definitely better in encounters than bosses
boreal prism
it definitely depends on the call and the boss
avoid using call right before boss goes immune, obviously
tame bison
Dio call smoldering air is a party tho
fading nymph
What call with smoldering isnt though
static karma
Smoldering air is good with like any call yeah
scarlet yoke
[REDACTED] kinda sucks with it
fading nymph
Imagine if it worked though
scarlet yoke
the difference between Invisible and Unseen is really noticable
and besides, doesn't [REDACTED] have a really fast rate of charge compared to other calls? Smouldering would be relatively weaker with it even if it were capped at 50%
maybe it's just the 30% that makes it feel that much faster though
cunning urchin
Dio greater call is like never worth it
What?
static karma
I always spam lesser call
cunning urchin
and besides, doesn't [REDACTED] have a really fast rate of charge compared to ot...
God Gauge charges independent of what Call you have.
Oh, I didn't read the "greater".
Greater Call is still decent, but Lesser Call is just better, yeah.
static karma
Yeah I meant as opposed to just spamming the lesser call
Dio call itself is one of my favorite calls
I think it’s the best one besides zeus
silk hearth
is zeus call meant to be used as greater or lesser call
static karma
Lesser
silk hearth
feels like the zeus lightning misses when i use it
static karma
Pop it when you’re nearby enemies, billowing strength is a good pick up
So that you benefit even if a lot of the bolts miss
Other people know better than me though, I don’t use greater calls in general much
cunning urchin
Zeus' and Aphro's are definitely better in encounters than bosses
I'd argue they're by far the best vs bosses. Aphrodite's Aid can effectively perma-stun Hades and has the best burst damage with no poms on it. You can also make Theseus and Asterius obliterate one another for you.
silk hearth
u would need smouldering air to perma stun hades right
cunning urchin
And Zeus' Aid just scales ridiculously with his own t2 and t3 boons.
Not necessarily if you can build god gauge fast enough, but typically, yeah.
silk hearth
oh
static karma
God gauge charges faster based on how fast you hit
silk hearth
does that mean rama charges the gauge more slowly
static karma
So fists charge it faster than bow for example
cunning urchin
How fast and how hard you hit.
static karma
Fists and non Hestia rail charge call pretty fast
cunning urchin
Rama's god gauge gain isn't too bad due to the Special.
static karma
It’s zag bow that’s the worst at call charging out of all the bows I think
silk hearth
oh, but when fighting bosses isnt it best to use attack most of the time
since the mark is already applied
cunning urchin
Eris can build god gauge in a couple of seconds with the right build.
static karma
How many attacks are you able to get off before the mark disappears?
cunning urchin
Yes and no; you might as well use the moments where you don't have time to charge your Attack to fire your Special.
static karma
You want to be reapplying it periodically
cunning urchin
And that, too.
cunning urchin
No, it's more than that.
silk hearth
its 3
but most of the time u have to space for boss attacks
for chiron i mean, im not too sure for rama since theres charging time and all
silk hearth
Yes and no; you might as well use the moments where you don't have time to charg...
hm thats true, ill use it more to charge the gauge then
cunning urchin
Rama's Mark lasts quite a bit longer.
silk hearth
do duo boons still work when one of the gods required boons to take it is removed
i removed lightning flourish and my duo boon is lightning rod
opal lodge
depends on the duo
obviously hunting blades stops working after you sell slicing shot
turbid needle
Duos/Legendaries that directly modify a boon require that base boon to activate.
Like Bright said, selling Slicing Shot will disable Hunting Blades, but if you pick up Exclusive Access and then sell both Dionysus and Poseidon boons, Exclusive Access will still work.
cunning urchin
In this case, yes, Lightning Rod will still work just fine.
unkempt pagoda
duo boons only get disabled if it makes sense, otherwise they're independent
lightning rod modifies the collectible bloodstone pickup, and isn't reliant on anything else
silk hearth
nice, thanks for the info
cunning urchin
@ Hades Monthry Challenge, for this Monthry Challenge, you must offer me gifts for my birthday. https://twitter.com/DIANAII__/status/1336090118218801153
(It didn't show me there was somebody named Hades that would get pinged. 
)
jovial fulcrum
🥮
proven osprey
strange lark
epic
lime jolt
Dio greater call is like never worth it
I mean its not bad since it always keeps up all the hangover stacks
lucid oar
ME or ZAP?
prisma patio
I got:
Demeter Attack
(Epic) Arctic Blast
Killing Freeze
Winter Harvest
Artemis Special
Epic Hyper Delivery
wait what does Zap stand for?
Im a dunce
lucid oar
That is certainly a build
prisma patio
ah
prisma patio
I got:
Demeter Attack
(Epic) Arctic Blast
Killing Freeze
Winter Harvest
Artemi...
Hades got absolutely demolished
I think I also had splash dash because good
lucid oar
Demeter attack isn't really used much in speedruns
lucid oar
But it's not the worst option tbh
prisma patio
but I still got a PB
lucid oar
You should try ME
prisma patio
with arctic blast you can do a decent amount of damage with it
lucid oar
It takes a bit of luck but it gets bonkers
prisma patio
ME is good but its so annoying to set up
its like the hunting blades Achilles of Fists
speaking of which
Hunting Blades is so insane
Mirage Hunting Blades with Engulfing Vortex, Black Metal, Vicious Cycle, Bad News, and like 3 cast stones on Achilles spear is just
😩
strange lark
yeah its broken
prisma patio
very annoying to get going but its so worth it
prisma patio
bruh
prisma patio
oof
strange lark
and i still messed up
if i put on infernal soul i would have gotten 8 duo boons
but i didnt
and it was too late
reef palm
That's a lot of duo boons
reef palm
I'm usually lucky if I get even one duo
prisma patio
Cast Weapons in general are absolutely insane
strange lark
yeah cast weapons are really good
prisma patio
Cast Weapons are usually my favorite aspects
lucid oar
Beowulf > hera
prisma patio
^
strange lark
Beowulf > hera
yes
prisma patio
Hera is still really good tho
prisma patio
nice
lucid oar
Beo is better than Hera because base bow sucks without hammers, but beowulfs moveset is pretty good at base
prisma patio
yea
lucid oar
Also +100% damage mirage shot with flares, but...
prisma patio
Eris > Achilles > Beowulf > Hera > Poseidon > Talos
lucid oar
Chaos>>>>>>>>>>> clearly
prisma patio
Chaos Shield best cast weapon
bright sandal
Should I prioritize Chaos or Double Boon room? Leaning towards double boon since my entire run right now is centered around Doom, and any dmg modifiers I can get from Chaos isn't gonna make my Doom better
lucid oar
Arthur unironically best cast weapon
prisma patio
no, Gilgamesh is obviously best cast weapon
prisma patio
Should I prioritize Chaos or Double Boon room? Leaning towards double boon since...
if Ares is in the trial take that
otherwise chaos
lucid oar
Should I prioritize Chaos or Double Boon room? Leaning towards double boon since...
Depends on the aspect, cast weapons usually prefer chaos unless the trial has prerequisites to mirage
But if it's ME then take the trial
bright sandal
Ive just got Doom on Lucifer Hellfire which is a sick combo right now, thanks, I think Ill go with Double Boon since Ares is there
prisma patio
ye
lucid oar
Yeah you could get dire misfortune
valid prism
If you have the time to clear, trial is better
bright sandal
But if it's ME then take the trial
Also what does ME stand for?
strange lark
merciful end
prisma patio
Merciful End
lucid oar
Merciful end
valid prism
It's a duo boon from Ares/Athena
strange lark
ME guan yu better
bright sandal
Oh god merciful end on my hellfire sounds so good
reef palm
I've seen you guys talk about ME before, but what does it even do exactly
I rarely get those two in the same run anymore
strange lark
I've seen you guys talk about ME before, but what does it even do exactly
things that can deflect things can set off doom immediately
valid prism
It's cool if you have divine dash, else, using special or cast will feel slow to take advantage of ME
prisma patio
when you use a boon that can deflect it activates doom instantly
prisma patio
Ares Attack
Athena Special
Impending Doom
Dire Misfortune
Divine Dash
Merciful End
reef palm
Oh god I realize what that implies now
prisma patio
thats the build most people do
bright sandal
ME on fists
😩
That sounds better than gravy but the only problem I have with ever getting it to work is that I would never take Ares Doom on fast weapons like fists or rail gun because it entirely depends on getting ME to be good, otherwise its bad
Which is a risk
reef palm
I suppose I could try for that this run, though I'm using Gilgamesh fists which may not work as well
strange lark
I suppose I could try for that this run, though I'm using Gilgamesh fists which ...
nah its really good
because of the extra dashes
valid prism
Gilga is good with ME
prisma patio
if going for ME Id recommend Demeter fists bc of the special
but Gilgamesh is good too
reef palm
Actually I can't try for that this run already have a boon on the main attack, and don't feel like giving that up when I enter Elysium
prisma patio
f
bright sandal
That sounds better than gravy but the only problem I have with ever getting it t...
Wait Im dumb I mixed up ME with Dire Misfortune, although both have the same problem for me
valid prism
Duo boons can't be found on trials so if you were looking for ME that can be complicated
bright sandal
Oh the more you know
lucid oar
Trials are good for getting other necessary boons tho
You can get divine dash and/or impending doom
bright sandal
I did get impending doom from that trial so you're right lol
scarlet yoke
I really underestimated Aphro Call
silk hearth
its dmg is extremely high
warm aspen
Has Artemis got the best attack for the bow?
scarlet yoke
Not even the damage
strange lark
Has Artemis got the best attack for the bow?
depends on the aspect
warm aspen
Hera
scarlet yoke
Turning aside the attacks of enemies even for a second, let alone onto others, is really good
Especially in later biomes
warm aspen
for mirage shot
And aphro for the cast, yes?
strange lark
What about Dio cast for that, would that work too
ye it works
not as good as the others
warm aspen
What about Dio cast for that, would that work too
Yes, with the regenerating cast
reef palm
First attempt at Hera I had Dio cast and 5 casts, did around 1800 per attack on Hades
Was fun tbh
And that AOE was nice for other rooms
reef palm
I still need to get Beo 
Only need 2 more hidden aspects, Beo and Arthur
I think
Those are hidden aspects right
reef palm
Yeah those are the ones
Still gotta clear with Gilgamesh though. That's gonna be rough
scarlet yoke
Having seven dash-strikes is really good
But having the invincibility is even better
lament wraith
Gilgamesh is ez gameplay wdym
lament wraith
Still gotta clear with Gilgamesh though. That's gonna be rough
You can literally dash special them and run around til they explode if you are worried of dying because of the increased damage
reef palm
Listen man, I always forget Gilgamesh has multiple dashes
I just see strong main attack and use that, which is generally why I die
I've also only done 2 runs with it
strange lark
well heres the thing... gilgamesh is bad
valid prism
Gilgamesh is ez gameplay wdym
@lament wraith Some people here are talking from a 32 heat or more experience. From that point of view, Gilgamesh is troublesome to use when Tight Deadline starts to be enabled on the pact
lament wraith
I guess? But he only needs to get out of hades with gilgamesh
Why would he go heat 32 if he only needs to get out once
valid prism
I mean that some people have their point of view from heat experience so that why Gilgamesh's popularity/difficulty varies a lot here, I didn't mean anything about how to get out once with the aspect
little niche
what's good zeus with? lately i've been having fun with charm/hangover blade and merciful end fists. wanted to try zeus, spear, blade, fists if possible. what are your go to builds?
lucid oar
what's good zeus with? lately i've been having fun with charm/hangover blade and...
Which zeus, the god or the aspect?
little niche
zeus the god. boons
lucid oar
Zeus attack is good on fast hitting weapons, like the rail, fists and spear with flurry jab
Zeus special is decent on Rama, chaos and aspect of zeus
The thing about zeus’ boons is that they are really good if you can get his other boons, such as static discharge, double strike and splitting bolt
little niche
so its good when u can scale it?
lucid oar
Yes
It’s especially good with hyper sprint and rush delivery when compared to percentage gods
little niche
alright will try zeus fists. any possible good duo boons?
or just stack zeus boons and i should be good
turbid needle
smoldering air with zeus call is always welcome
scil feast when you see dio is rly good
little niche
is it a greater call? at those 25%?
turbid needle
no
little niche
well then it just doesnt look good to me personally
turbid needle
going for lesser call when its up is more dmg than one greater call in most cases
do what you must
little niche
god bless
lucid oar
god bless
I used to think it was terrible as well at first, trust me it's good.
It allows every aspect to use calls in every chamber
opal lodge
lesser call is insanely good
lucid oar
Normally, aspects like Arthur and Hestia would only be able to use calls in bosses, and rarely so
Not with smoldering
opal lodge
greater call generallly < 4 lesser calls
only arty and aphro have strong cases for greater call
athena i guess
lament wraith
what's good zeus with? lately i've been having fun with charm/hangover blade and...
From my experience, zeus special with Rama's special is nuts
Jolted too
You delete stuff without even moving
little niche
what is rama exactly?
little niche
ok had to look up what is that coronacht as well 😄
oof i dont fancy ranged weapons even tho my first successful run was with the bow
lament wraith
Ikr I mean
You would think it's slow due to the normal attack being charged
But the special is instantaneous
little niche
i just want to see number go pew pew
lament wraith
And tbh zeus works better with quick multi hit weapons
Then play Rama
Haha arrows go brrrrr
You'd be doing it wrong if you were to use zeus boons on Arthur for example
little niche
hold my beer
lament wraith
Because it's a relatively slow weapon with no multihit at all
little niche
i mean hold my arthur
lament wraith
Not that you wont be able to make it work, it's simply not optimal
lunar flare
Aspect of Achilles - does the Raging Rush benefit from special boons?
strange lark
The buff does not benefit from special boons
uncut lintel
Alrighty, just unlocked Gilga, what's the play gents and ladies?
uncut lintel
hm? aspect is fists but not really? what do you mean?
dry ember
it's fists but it doesn't really feel like fist
i heard that with blade dash it can be fun, albeit gimmicky
turbid needle
you can do fist builds but they all feel worse than a normal fist build
yeah dashes are good on it
also use ruthless reflex you get it for free on gilga
dry ember
there was a video where some dude "corner-dashing" Hades to death
it has been a while though
turbid needle
I think I remember what youre talking about
dry ember
I think I remember what youre talking about
uncut lintel
That's just ridiculous
dry ember
well it's a level 11 blade dash likely with good support boons
it's funny looking though
turbid needle
blender
dry ember
hades did blend
valid prism
Family Favorite or Privileged Status from the mirror, Eris' buff, etc.
pure stone
ohhh
lunar flare
Alrighty, just unlocked Gilga, what's the play gents and ladies?
Explosive Upper hammer is critical for spreading the Maim around, other than that anything works really
warm aspen
What are some good attack and special boons for the Hades Varatha?
Is Artemis good for the attack?
proven osprey
It's the best attack on Hades since it will scale pretty well with the punishing sweep bonus. Any other is decent but not incredible
warm aspen
Alright, thank you
proven osprey
You could try to go for Heart rend with passion dash (or heartbreak flourish if you find exploding launcher)
Serrated point / Exploding are your best options. The exploding/charged skewer combo is fun if you can get it
Spin hammers are ok but not amazing since the spin itself will not benefit from punishing sweep
warm aspen
Thank you very much for the advise
proven osprey
o7
warm aspen
And what about Guan Yu?
strange lark
aphro special, charged skewer
you should attack like this:
special -> dash strike -> dash strike -> special
proven osprey
If you want a more detailed guide tell me
strange lark
yeah
proven osprey
Also consider Deadly flourish which is the best in slot thanks to the awesome crit potential
Amazing with hunter's mark too because the special pierces
So you can line up foes and never stop critting, quite amazing with charged skewer
Heartbreak flourish is reliable damage and weak is valuable
More beginner friendly maybe
bright sandal
Btw the attack speed boost from Zag Sword buffs dash attack too right?
prisma patio
no
strange lark
dash strikes are not affected by attack speed buffs
bright sandal
Ah ok
sour goblet
Does Curse of Drowning cause knockback so it benefits from Wave Pounding and Sea Storm?
strange lark
yeah im pretty sure it does
lime jolt
Yes it does
vale stirrup
question can you proc merciful end a bunch of times with the aspect of chiron 🤔
or its just only one instance
strange lark
once
reef palm
So what's the general consensus on Aspect of Arthur? Cause I won't lie, those are some beautiful damage numbers
turbid needle
good
reef palm
Definitely feels a lot slower than I'd like, but the damage makes up for it and if I get an attack speed buff or sturdy it won't be so bad.
Still not sure what I want to put on the main attack for a boon though, but I'm thinking Artemis is my best shot
opal lodge
its mostly the fact that any move on excalibur is a major commitment
reef palm
That too
unkempt pagoda
if you're dashing in between attacks in the combo, it's a lot more mobile than it seems
but all in all, it's exactly what bright says
opal lodge
yeah dashing between attacks is the best way to mitigate its weaknesses
cunning urchin
It's bad at speedrunning and like 40+ Heat but amazing otherwise.
opal lodge
yeah its strengths are quite good and its weaknesses dont get punished until you try to go fast or do 40+ heat
fading nymph
Is 40 when you have to start doing DC EM4 or TD3?
fading nymph
Ic
tame bison
The issue with Arthur at 40+ is more FO2, I believe.
reef palm
This almost feels like it has the damage to make a boonless run not quite complete pain, but I'm still bad at the game so I'm probably wrong
turbid needle
you can def try
tame bison
You can do boonless with a lot of things
turbid needle
yeah
tame bison
Without much issue
tame bison
Shackle keepsake love
reef palm
I think the biggest weakness of the Aspect of Arthur is dealing with armored enemies, though that might just be my own incompetence
proven osprey
hestia would be better
valid prism
Hestia shackle works without adding anything, Rama is a bit less good (boonless Rama would like at least one good hammer to pulverize the run)
fluid marten
triple or cluster bomb on no-shackle hestia?
3rd option is delta chamber which
lol
lucid oar
what's the best weapon for a no boon run?
Any weapon that has extremely good attack hammers is good
fading nymph
Why no shackle though
lucid oar
For Hestia the best ones are ricochet and explosive, or cluster rockets
fluid marten
not no shackle
jesus, hestia is so fun
huh
i bet for a normal hestia run artemis dash is busted
fluid marten
oh wow, so you turn the standard hestia attack into a free rocket
what a meme
this is my first attempt with hestia rail lol
oh right, do hermes boons count against you if you want the no-boon dialogue?
reef palm
So what happens if you're forced to take a boon, do you just have to purge it and hope for no boons in Styx or just take an L
lucid oar
You can take fated authority to reroll Styx doors
turbid needle
yeah thats a good one for boonless
reef palm
Last time I tried rerolling an Olympian door it just gave me a different olympian
lucid oar
And Olympian favour to reduce the amount of gold laurel rooms you see
turbid needle
it happens
keep in mind that you cant reroll miniboss olympians into other rewards
reef palm
Gotcha
turbid needle
unless in styx
reef palm
I'll have to give a boonless run a shot later, not sure what weapon I'll want to use though
lucid oar
I'll have to give a boonless run a shot later, not sure what weapon I'll want to...
Hestia good, zag bow good, nemesis good, Achilles good
reef palm
Hestia seems like the safest bet since I'm not used to Arthur yet, though I may give Guan Yu a shot too
lucid oar
They are hammer dependant though
fluid marten
oof, about to walk into the Heroes with two copies of Excruciating Lunge running
got a Light of Ixion in a room with a natural chaos gate
so i've been enjoying taking like double damage
RIP 3 DD charges
jesus fuck
fast shardBOT
@fluid marten Watch your language.
reef palm
Think I'll try Guan Yu for no boon run, just cause I actually have that at level 5
lucid oar
Aim for charged skewer
reef palm
Will do
So I assume I just take the first room's boon and hope it's something I can pretend isn't there?
fluid marten
alrighty, can 56% and 76% lunge boons from chaos overcome the boss?
just sell it at a purging fountain, ex
lucid oar
You can also reset until you start with the hammer you want
lucid oar
alrighty, can 56% and 76% lunge boons from chaos overcome the boss?
Yes, absolutely
reef palm
I know but I feel like being as legit as possible and doing the whole run without using a boon to make it easier
tame bison
I tried boonless about 10x and was never able to purge the boons from Styx temple and then gave up on it lol
fading nymph
You can also just reset for turn one hammer, turn on RI max and HS then keep killing yourself, when you see a hammer at the start hit give up and it will save the seed so you can do a real run
your going to end up having to take boons in the run just make sure they're ones that you can avoid making use of and dont grab more than 3 per biome so you can purge all of them
And make sure to have enough rerolls for Styx doors ore else sack rng will ruin your run
tame bison
Plus, it’s good to know how unlucky you are when you reroll boon doors into more boons 4x
reef palm
Lost all my death defies on the Heroes, so odds are I ain't gonna win this boonless run. Went well for a while though.
I did get a kiss of Styx from the well though
And managed to get the satyr sack without going in a boon chamber in styx
There's a chance for me to win, but my thumb hurts too much so I need to take a break
boreal prism
Maybe you can still get stubborn roots
reef palm
I'm in the middle of the Hades fight
So probably not
But I've only been hit like twice
And nearly done with phase 1
boreal prism
🤞
reef palm
I did it, I didn't even lose the one death defy I had
Granted I had 2 hp but regardless
Guan Yu definitely my favorite spear aspect
cunning urchin
The issue with Arthur at 40+ is more FO2, I believe.
Indeed.
drowsy vine
I have a question about duo boons and I would really appreciate the help. I started a run with my first boon being from Aphrodite, Heartbreak Flourish, to cause Weak to foes hit by my special. Then my next boon was from Artemis, Deadly Strike, to add a critical chance to my attack.
According to guides, having those 2 boons makes me elligible to receive "Heart Rend".
Then I got into a Trial of the Gods, between Aphrodite and Artemis. When speaking to Artemis, she didn't give me the duo boon. Then I finished the fight and spoke to Aphrodite, and even after refreshing twice, I didn't get the duo boon.
I have the mirror of night max extra legendary/duo boon chance activated. Do I have to gather more boons in total before being elligible for a duo boon, as I only had 2-3 boons up to that point? Or are the chances just really low at this point? Or do Duo Boons only generate after I filled up the Cast and Dash slots as well (meaning I should have picked one of them from Artemis)?
I'm using Coronacht with Rama.
limber whale
I have a question about duo boons and I would really appreciate the help. I star...
I think you can't get Duos in a Trial
proven osprey
^
drowsy vine
Alright! Thanks for the help!
vale stirrup
once
thanks for answering
and i guess gilgamesh is the best way for merciful end unless aspect of demeter does it differently
elder gale
https://imgur.com/a/aK5QUQj
Aphro, Hermes, or Chaos?
Anyone?
My instincts say Aphro
boreal prism
chaos is always strong
cunning urchin
Always Lady Aphrodite.
opal lodge
chaos so good for zag bow though
cunning urchin
But Master Chaos is not Lady Aphodite.
limber whale
But Master Chaos is not Lady Aphodite.
Lady Aphrodite is not Master Chaos
ionic pollen
okay really dumb question but how do you get rarities for weapon aspects?
limber whale
okay really dumb question but how do you get rarities for weapon aspects?
upgrade with Titan Blood
ionic pollen
hmm, i've maxed most of them out; maybe i am just a fool and havent noticed the rarities increase
thanks!
olive wharf
can someone explain when you would take smoldering air as a boon? I can't seem to understand why being capped at 25% would be good
boreal prism
The amount of call power it generates is huge
Also, some calls are better when capped
boreal prism
For example you won't want to use 100% dionysus call
turbid needle
unless you use artemis call
unkempt pagoda
you get a minor call every five seconds
for many most calls, that's way more damage output than you would get waiting for a major call
since most major calls are just extended duration anyways
lucid oar
It's great with Zeus' and Dionysus'
unkempt pagoda
turns basically any call into a free panic button
unkempt pagoda
nah, i mean like
lucid oar
They give you I frames similar to dashing
unkempt pagoda
dashing gives you iframes so you can dodge attacks, yeah?
olive wharf
ah I see
unkempt pagoda
activating a call gives some iframes too
SA is a straight upgrade to most aids, imo
olive wharf
so it works well with like big AOE calls like zeus, but for stuff like artemis call is it worse?
unkempt pagoda
aphrodite aid is a free stun for bosses every five seconds
artemis debatable, still free iframes
the only aid i can think of where it is actively a nerf is ares aid when you also have his legendary, which is like
lol
basically, you almost always get more damage out of being able to spam minor calls than waiting for major calls (AND you don't have to charge it up yourself)
boreal prism
4 artemis calls at 25% is wayyy weaker than 1 call at 100%
But it is faster, so /shrug
turbid needle
keep in mind that this is also true for non smoldering air calls
going for lesser calls is usually more value
unkempt pagoda
ares and artemis is weird, tbf, SA is shaky for them
turbid needle
I got SA with Artemis' Aid once.
unkempt pagoda
but 2/8 ain't bad
turbid needle
I had nutty backstab bonuses, so watching it pop for 1500 damage was pretty slick.
boreal prism
Caststab build... waow
unkempt pagoda
SA + athena aid is mindblowing lol
turbid needle
Oh, I have had a True Shot + Parting Shot build and whew boy.
unkempt pagoda
i should really get back into playing hades, haven't touched it in forever
turbid needle
Same.
Only been playing Dead Cells and Gunfire, but I think I'll try for that build tonight, I'm feeling the itch.
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is easily one of the very best boons in the game.
scarlet yoke
Damn, Explosive Dem Upper is a deadly combo
opal lodge
gunfire's a fantastic game
proven osprey
You have the classic Merciful End build, people use that to go fast. I'm a fan of the curse of longing build : Doom on special, Passion Dash
You can also go for a dash build, tidal dash is a lot of damage. Especially with ruthless reflex
turbid needle
aphro atk worked for me but its a bit wierd
warm aspen
Ruthless reflex is artemis+ares?
proven osprey
nope, it's a mirror option
proven osprey
Aphro attack would work tbh
Gilga's attack is strong
The dash strike is garbage, the attack is slow. But the base damage of it is quite good
warm aspen
Ruthless reflex tidal dash sounds easy, I'll go for that
proven osprey
it's really fun
A less easy but really fun is thunder dash
it takes a while to get online and needs a lot of zeus
but the scaling feels good
turbid needle
blade dash fun prob
proven osprey
don't forget that maim grants you a 25% damage bonus on top of the 50% bonus of ruthless reflex
and global is nice with flat damage such a tidal, doom, lightning jolted etc
even hangover but you don't want hangover on Gilga
warm aspen
Artemis best for Rama?
proven osprey
yeah, the aspects really likes the attack and the dash
warm aspen
Alright, thank you
astral sierra
if i use fated persuasion on a duo boon, will i get another or miss the opportunity?
strange lark
theres a chance you see that duo boon again after you reroll the boon
but if you dont see it you can still get it
you just have to find another boon or reroll again
astral sierra
ok thank you
strange lark
np
scarlet yoke
Speedrun Build for Hestia?
strange lark
artemis/aphro attack, artemis special, poseidon dash, cluster rockets
scarlet yoke
is Hazard Bomb as good as it sounds?
strange lark
it does a lot of damage
but the damage from the bomb is annoying since it can stun you
and if you have artemis special the bomb can crit you
scarlet yoke
...what is the formula for converting Damage To Enemies to Damage To Zagreus?
strange lark
zag takes 1% damage from the bomb i think
silk hearth
isnt 1% too low o.o
cunning urchin
if i use fated persuasion on a duo boon, will i get another or miss the opportun...
Let's assume you are eligible for multiple Duo Boons: Duo A, Duo B, and Duo C. You take a boon and it rolls Duo A and two boons that aren't Duo boons. When you reroll now, there's a 1/3 chance that Duo A is removed from the pool because at least one boon is guaranteed to be new. That means your reroll has a better chance of showing Duo B or Duo C than your initial roll.
scarlet yoke
14 damage on a crit would take out a good chunk of my health right now
lucid oar
is Hazard Bomb as good as it sounds?
Hazard bomb is great on Hestia, because Hestia usually struggles with boss damage
silk hearth
this did 22 damage to me on a crit
oh, then 1% is pretty good since u only take 22 dmg but if it hits the enemy they take 2200 dmg instead
which is a lot
strange lark
ye
but
with that build i saw some enemy take a lot more
wait
nvm
heartrend
you cant apply weak to yourself
silk hearth
oh
strange lark
bruh
jovial fulcrum
Can theseus?