If you play a lot you get duo boons all the time
#h1-builds-and-combat
lucid oar
cunning urchin
Boons that require a tier 2 are a littler harder to get because you need a minimum of 3 boons instead of 2 like others, but it's not that bad.
The most common mistake when hunting for any specific Duo Boons is unlocking too many others in the same pool.
That includes legendary boons. If you unlock their legendaries, you're less likely to see the Duo Boon you want from them.
near heath
So get duos before legendaries?
boreal prism
Don't get boons that are prerequisites for duos or legendaries that you don't want
near heath
Also if I run this what’s the ideal end goal with these starting boons?
near heath
Don't get boons that are prerequisites for duos or legendaries that you don't wa...
Ah I get it now
near heath
Also if I run this what’s the ideal end goal with these starting boons?
Like would I be aiming for Splitting Bolt or something?
boreal prism
Well you could definitely get knockback boons to make the dash stronger
cunning urchin
Poms on Dash, Breaking Wave, Typhoon's Fury, Wave Pounding, Razor Shoals, Hunter's Mark if you have Deadly Strike, and Static Discharge if you have Lightning Strike.
near heath
Jolted you mean?
cunning urchin
If you pick a spin upgrade first hammer, you won't be able to get Flurry Jab second hammer, so you'll want to avoid that.
Static Discharge applies Jolted, yes.
near heath
And what if you can’t get Flurry jab or Serrated Point in that run?
cunning urchin
Well, you'll just make do with what you have. Tidal Dash DPS with a good Attack is still pretty high.
near heath
So that’s where Poseidon shines the most, his dash?
cunning urchin
Pretty much.
boreal prism
It's also where dash shines the most
near heath
What about Divine Dash?
cunning urchin
Great dash, but doesn't really give you DPS.
near heath
I see
lucid oar
Apart from in merciful end builds, which isn't the best way to play achilles
near heath
So Poseidon is mainly for offense, and Athena is mainly for defensive players
Unless we talking about ME right
lucid oar
Yes
Both gods have boons that are offensive and defensive
Poseidon has sunken treasure and oceans bounty, Athena has proud bearing
cunning urchin
At high heat, you essentially take whichever you see first, and at low heat, experienced players would just go for DPS.
But Divine Dash is perfectly legit at low heats if it helps you win.
near heath
Fair enough
lucid oar
It's especially good if you don't have any companions unlocked
Miniboss rooms are quite tough otherwise
boreal prism
It's most common for runs where you're trying to win, but shady can be good for farming darkness and treasure
cunning urchin
Battie is what people use in like 99% of speedruns and maybe like 95% of high heat?
But that's just because you mostly care for DPS in those runs.
jovial fulcrum
I started using Battie because all the high level players used it
And now I'm just so used to it that switching is not very appealing
little quiver
So im really struggling with the sword and wanted to try out the poseidon aspect. Anyone got fun build recommendations for it?
Ive been thinking poseidon cast with the artemis duo could be fun
strange lark
Ive been thinking poseidon cast with the artemis duo could be fun
yeah thats a good build for aspect of poseidon
you can also try artemis cast with mirage shot
or you could try lightning phalanx
athena cast with zeus and athena duo boon
little quiver
yeah thats a good build for aspect of poseidon
Any other boons/dous i should go for if im trying poseidon/artemis?
strange lark
which cast are you gonna use?
little quiver
athena cast with zeus and athena duo boon
Ill try that one too
little quiver
which cast are you gonna use?
Pose probably havent really used it so far so i want to try it
strange lark
if you are gonna use poseidon you want mirage shot, typhoons fury, breaking wave, and sea storm but seastorm is optional
little quiver
Oh seastorm is fun, i love the supersoaker built on the rail
strange lark
yeah its fun
near heath
I started using Battie because all the high level players used it
Same
little quiver
And what about the pose/demeter duo? @strange lark doesnt work with the sword im assuming?
near heath
On a scale of A to SS, what would you guys say is the best Legendary Boons in the game?
strange lark
its better with achilles aspect because it doesnt lodge into any enemies
and you wanna use achilles aspect because the damage boost is higher
little quiver
Oh i see well gonna go pose artemis zeus then
near heath
Good luck
little quiver
Ty :)
strange lark
np
little quiver
Heat 4 should be doable hopefully^^
Im terrible with the sword :sweat_smile:
strange lark
On a scale of A to SS, what would you guys say is the best Legendary Boons in th...
zeus, demeter, aphrodite, dionysus, artemis, hermes, and chaos have really good legendary boons
near heath
Hmm I forgot what Dionysus is
strange lark
enemies with hangover on them take 60% extra damage from everything
near heath
Oh damn
near heath
Wait it says extra damage by festive fog
strange lark
yes
near heath
Or am I reading it wrong?
little quiver
which is good
Ares legendary makes hunting blades bettet right?
strange lark
Ares legendary makes hunting blades bettet right?
yeah
strange lark
Or am I reading it wrong?
no
near heath
Ares legendary makes hunting blades bettet right?
Yes.
strange lark
i forgot to mention the fog
little quiver
Hunting blades is a fun built just shredds everything
near heath
So do they take additional damage while in the fog or the fog is the only thing doing 60% extra damage?
strange lark
in the fog
strange lark
so enemies with hangover inflicted on them take extra damage inside of fog
near heath
Cool.
Oh no okay
Yeah no that was a quick digression
What makes Second Wave bad I wonder?
strange lark
What makes Second Wave bad I wonder?
second wave just pushes the enemy back a second time and doesnt do any damage
strange lark
because its bad
near heath
That sounds like a tier 2 boon
near heath
It just sounds like a thing you set up for Breaking Wave or Rip Current
And then dad looks at you and laughs
near heath
Why am I imagining a new idea for the legendary
strange lark
idk
near heath
I’m imagining a stronger legendary would be something like pushbacks now affect bosses (except Lernie) and regular monsters take double damage from both the pushback and the slam
Anyway I shouldn’t worry about those things
So Charm makes enemies fight for you for a bit?
urban vapor
yea
strange lark
ye
near heath
Holy
strange lark
what
near heath
No I’m just exclaiming
strange lark
cool
strange lark
its lightning support fire
near heath
I only know it’s like one more damage
strange lark
everytime your lightning hits an enemy it spawns a ball that deals more damage
near heath
I just imagine every lightning attacks is like another thunderbolt strike
Or is that wrong
strange lark
its not wrong
near heath
The ball lingers?
strange lark
but replace the thunderbolt strike with a yellow ball
strange lark
The ball lingers?
it moves slowly in a straight line for a couple seconds
near heath
And it does 40 damage to all who it touches?
strange lark
yeah
i dont really know how the ball moves because everytime i get the boon i cant tell the difference between the balls and the lightning
near heath
Lmao same
So does the legendary do that extra damage each time you land a strike with say Lightning Strike?
Even on the first target?
strange lark
yeah
near heath
Each attack summons that Lightning ball right?
strange lark
i think so
wait i found it
Tier 3
The additional burst is a slow moving spark.
Spark Speed: 500
Bounces: 5
Bounce Range: 520
it bounces around between enemies
near heath
500? Eh?
strange lark
its the range
little quiver
Zeus legendary seems kinda similar to the lightning balls his attack spawns
near heath
So it’s like Lightning Shot?
strange lark
i guess
little quiver
Thats how it always seemed to me
near heath
I wonder if the initial spark still damages the first target
strange lark
it does
near heath
Is it each time you hit with any Lightning?
strange lark
ye i think so
near heath
That would be perfect if it is
little quiver
I wonder if the initial spark still damages the first target
It does
strange lark
the best weapon is your favorite weapon
turbid needle
What is the best weapon ?
that's pretty subjective, i like playing with the spear or shield, sword is also pretty good. I don't really like playing with the rest so far, but I'm just starting
strange lark
all weapons are good
lone crow
Ok ok indeed ^^
little quiver
that's pretty subjective, i like playing with the spear or shield, sword is also...
Well if you want to try a fun rail built. The aspect of lucifer super soaker built is a blast^^
turbid needle
I'm not sure which aspects to level up yet, since most probably i won't grind to get them all. I'm guessing Lucifer is the hidden one?
turbid needle
Thanks, I'm probably going to level some aspect of spear or shield tho, because i like them the most rn
I kinda like the bow, but it feels rather slow
Rhyming here
strange lark
you should dash strike with the bow if you arent doing that already
little quiver
you should dash strike with the bow if you arent doing that already
With which aspect? Cause i hardly use dash strikes with charon
strange lark
all aspects
little quiver
To be fair my go to bow build is artemis special aphro attack on charon. That just melts stuff
strange lark
yeah
little quiver
Got any other fun bow builds for me? @strange lark
strange lark
do you have the hidden aspect yet
little quiver
do you have the hidden aspect yet
I can unlock it but i dont have a lot of blood atm
strange lark
ok
you can use aspect of chiron with aphro attack, dionysus special, and curse of vengeance (the revenge boon from ares) with those three boons you can get curse of nausea and low tolerance
and you can also use aspect of hera and use phalanx shot or crush shot
little quiver
Oh so stacking up hangover like crazy on the special? I like it^^
strange lark
yep
little quiver
Been doing that with the chaos shield and its lots of fun
strange lark
yeah it works well on chaos shield
little quiver
I should really look into a hera built some time. The only 2 cast builds i did so far were hunting blades and a festive fog one with achilles
little quiver
So hera aphro cast
Maybe go for dio attack? So i can get the duo? Or artemis for those juicy crits
strange lark
you should get artemis attack and poseidon dash
with those two boons you can get mirage shot
strange lark
nice
little quiver
Another fun aspect is guan yu. The special is just sooo much fun with artemis
strange lark
yeah guan yu is fun
little quiver
Not sure what to do with it other than special spamming tho
strange lark
you should do special -> dash strike -> dash strike
little quiver
Yeah that sounds good but what boons work well with it?
Artemis and spamming the special just obliterates things but if i want to branch out from that?
strange lark
if you are gonna use artemis then you should go artemis special, charged skewer, aphro attack, heartrend
little quiver
Yeah thats what ive mostly been doing^^
But i dont know what else works well. Maybe demeter attack and going for a spin built?
strange lark
aphro special also works well
if you want to do a spin build you can use dio attack, zeus attack, athena attack, quick spin, and massive spin
little quiver
Hmm dio sounds pretty fun, maybe ares and aphro again for the duo?
little quiver
I had a pretty sick fist run yesterday just stacking dodge got close too 100%
strange lark
nice
little quiver
ares is fine on guan yu
Well i was thinking ares revenge for the dio ares duo with the spin build
little quiver
Zag fists are such a fun weapon. Feels like no matter what boons i go for it just works till heat 9. Maybe ill have to be more strategic once i hit higher heat levels
strange lark
zag fists are really good for high heat
little quiver
zag fists are really good for high heat
Well what do you use on them on higher heat levels? Ive really liked stacking plume or the athena ares dash strike build
little quiver
ares attack, athena special, athena dash
Yeah thats the same thing im doing if i want an easy win
turbid needle
Hey, quick question: can rerolling boons using fated persuasion give access to duo boons?
strange lark
yes
near heath
all weapons are good
Does Gilgamesh count?
near heath
Really I don't know why
strange lark
you dont know why gilgamesh is bad?
limber whale
break it down for me
strange lark
the attack is too slow and doesnt deal that much damage, dash attacks deal no damage, maim makes you take extra damage for some reason, the explosion from maim takes way too long to activate
boreal prism
People say taking more damage is bad but its equivalent to having less health and people love gy
strange lark
well guan yu actually has good damage
limber whale
ROASTED
boreal prism
Yeah tru
turbid needle
Guan-Yu most certainly has the reduced max HP for it's lifesteal
But it does have damage to back itself up
Gilgamesh suffers from being clunky without fast damage to compensate.
But it gets more dashes ?
I guess ?
Would matter if those dashes weren't shortened lmao
turbid needle
You are basically playing with Serrated Point, but without the triple dash-attack
Oh and your dash-strike has 5 less base damage then spear's
strange lark
amazing
turbid needle
Have fun with your Maim effect where you get a third of Eris' bonus effect, but you take more damage.
The "doom" proc should only matter against bosses. If enemies survive long enough that the "doom" does anything, that's a bad sign
strange lark
maim is global which... is cool
turbid needle
It's neat, but it's too darn low
And locked behind the slow dash-upper
Which you have to do on each enemy you want the bonus damage on
strange lark
explosive upper applies maim in an aoe
so now all the enemies deal more damage to you
turbid needle
To summarize : It's gimmicks are too clunky, and don't have the utility/damage to compensate
strange lark
epic
boreal prism
Ideal gilg combo:
Explosive dash upper -> tidal dash x10
Or probably just skip the upper
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
tidal dash does more damage than maim
boreal prism
Ideal gilg combo: maim + doom + lightning rod, or something
I dunno how we're expected to use gilg...
strange lark
yep
boreal prism
I dunno how we're expected to use lucifer either but at least it works good
turbid needle
Lucifer has a big special. 100 base damage on maxed
It's the "slower" of the rails, but it's aight
Triple Bomb is nuts on it.
limber whale
which one isn't?
strange lark
rama, guan yu, lucifer, gilgamesh
boreal prism
arthur is just big sord
strange lark
yeah
boreal prism
beo is just big shield
boreal prism
you could say rama is just big bow
strange lark
yeah pretty much
strange lark
yes
limber whale
Guan Yu is big Spear?
strange lark
gilgamesh is just garbage big fists
fading nymph
Arthur is big sword
warm aspen
Which god do I go for with the Aspect of Beowulf?
turbid needle
On a serious note, the hidden aspects, Achilles, Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Hestia are on that list
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
Which god do I go for with the Aspect of Beowulf?
you can go aphro cast, poseidon cast, or dio cast
with all of those you want mirage shot
and thats pretty much it
turbid needle
Which god do I go for with the Aspect of Beowulf?
Beowulf can go two ways : With Infernal Casts, you can go with Aphrodite and Poseidon. With Stygian Casts, you can go Dionysus
strange lark
yeah
warm aspen
So, cast oriented?
strange lark
you should always use stygian soul with festive fog
fading nymph
why is it diferent for dio
turbid needle
Dionysus's cast leaves behind a fog. You only get the cast after the fog vanishes
strange lark
why is it diferent for dio
festive fog doesnt lodge into the enemies and it stays there for a while so with infernal you have to wait a long time to get the casts back
fading nymph
ic
turbid needle
None of Beowulf's casts lodges
turbid needle
But those that would lodge on other weapons just pop instantly into the air
Hence, Infernal
With Demeter's being the exception. It pops instantly too. But I wouldn't bother with it ever, it's pom scaling is ass
Get Snowburst instead from her
harsh lance
Is there a place where there's all the info on the various high value builds that you can do in the game?
strange lark
people on this server have made guides on weapons but idk where they are
strange lark
good job
proven osprey
Silence crying cat
proven osprey
Please?
strange lark
no
proven osprey
Gilgamesh?
strange lark
no
proven osprey
Guan Yu
strange lark
no
proven osprey
The secret word
lime jolt
proven osprey
Thanks prince
lime jolt
proven osprey
Is there a place where there's all the info on the various high value builds tha...
You may find what you seek in Pengy's guide lad
turbid needle
zap
supple mauve
is 5xOrb lightning rod still applicable in high heat ?
had a cakewalk on low heat first time, additionally with aoe/doublecast/jolted
cunning urchin
How high are we talking?
near heath
@strange lark forgot to reply but thanks. Also holy damn
I’m surprised Supergiant didn’t buff it yet
cunning urchin
Didn't buff what?
jovial fulcrum
looks like they were talking about Gilgamesh?
turbid needle
someone has to be the worst 
jovial fulcrum
20 damage dash attack is kinda cringe 
cunning urchin
It's fine. We don't really need power creep.
near heath
It’s not the power creep I’m worried about it’s the fact that there is a weapon that’s criminally underpowered compared to the rest of the weapons you can pick
cunning urchin
It's not that much worse than others.
near heath
Does it have benefits?
proven osprey
It's garbage
Every move puts you in danger for a ridiculous payoff
I can't believe Eris has 75% global damage while Gilgamesh has 25% while you also take more damage
Even if maim feels cool
The aspect can thank ruthless reflex because otherwise it would be even worse
cunning urchin
You can do fun dash builds with it.
proven osprey
Yeah it's really fun
jovial fulcrum
Ruthless Reflex was instrumental in my 32 clear
I dunno if I would've had the damage to kill dad before he killed me without it
Gil is kinda flavorful which is cool
It's my favorite aspect for sure, but man it's rough
cunning urchin
That it's fun and distinct is all that really matters in the end.
I would personally like if Maim was better and Eris was nerfed, but I also think the game is over well balanced and fun.
You can never achieve perfect balance, that gets boring, too.
near heath
True
I wanna mention for fun I was playing Achilles and my first room got me a Daedalus Hammer, which gave me the worst possible options ever
Quick Spin, Massive Spin, and Pulsing Spin
Thanks Zeus
cunning urchin
Yup.
It be like that sometime.
I think Achilles was Massive Spin is actually a lot of fun.
It's just not optimal, but not everyone needs to be optimal.
That gets boring.
near heath
I know
Maybe I should try Cold Embrace one day
I think Achilles is turning into my go-to cast weapon
scarlet yoke
Use cases for every mirror upgrade over the alternative. Go.
clear dome
Is Guan Yu special builds nerfed?
tried it once but the lack of hp killed me, but that was very long ago
near heath
So how much base damage does the special do?
turbid needle
Use cases for every mirror upgrade over the alternative. Go.
You mean the green ones?
urban vapor
So how much base damage does the special do?
its either 40 or 60
turbid needle
Is Guan Yu special builds nerfed?
it was nerfed a while ago yes
near heath
How good is it?
turbid needle
gy special?
its good
it used to be very good but its still nice
relativley fast+piercing
charged skewer makes it to nuts
proven osprey
45
strange lark
thats a big number
turbid needle
yes
fading nymph
What makes dash build especially fun with gy
urban vapor
they do big dmg
so stack bonuses serrated edge extra dashes etc etc and you get big number
fading nymph
serrated point?
strange lark
your dash distance is reduced but your dash attack hits three times
it can do a ton of damage
but the dash reduction sucks
fading nymph
is it called point or edge
strange lark
edge
fading nymph
weird
strange lark
i think
fading nymph
the wiki calles it point
fading nymph
but why gy specially for that build
proven osprey
What makes dash build especially fun with gy
dash builds with gilga
it's serrated point yeah, GY dash strike is 30 instead of 20 for the regular ones
strange lark
why did i always think that it was serrated edge
fading nymph
I guess maybe its just the mandela effect?
strange lark
ye probably
fading nymph
why are you pp man now
limber whale
p p m a n f u n n y
strange lark
then changed it to pp man
proven osprey
why did i always think that it was serrated edge
because the sword hammer is double edge maybe
strange lark
true
errant narwhal
why did i always think that it was serrated edge
i think it used to be called that in early access, but i could be wrong
fading nymph
ooooh
proven osprey
np use that as an excuse anyway
fading nymph
well maybe just you hearing it from people who did
strange lark
probably not
errant narwhal
yeah, it used to be called serrated edge
hybrid fractal
what weapon pears best with basic demeter boons? I want to get cold fusion already
turbid veldt
Is there a room to try out all the Blessings?
i would like to test the builds this game can provide
tame bison
i would like to test the builds this game can provide
No
tame bison
what weapon pears best with basic demeter boons? I want to get cold fusion alrea...
Demeter cast builds you can use Achilles/Poseidon. Demeter strike is nice on fists so you can stack it quickly and blow it up at 10 stacks
pseudo stream
to get the last boss to note that no gods helped you, what do you have to do?
just win with no core god boons?
strange lark
to get the last boss to note that no gods helped you, what do you have to do?
You have to make it to the hades fight with no boons and I think that un purgeable boons are allowed
scarlet yoke
What counts as unpurgable?
strange lark
Any boon that can be purged in a pool of purging
scarlet yoke
Chaos Boons then? Can't think of anything else other than Sigil
scarlet yoke
?
strange lark
What
scarlet yoke
Oh of course. The ones that give permanent resources.
(That's it right? Bounty, Vintage and [?])
strange lark
Nourished soul and rare crop cannot be purged
scarlet yoke
Technically you wouldn't be able to get Rare Crop without also having Vintage or Soul
strange lark
True
tame bison
I tried that multiple times and kept getting screwed by Stx temple doors forcing me to pick up gods with no way to remove them. Gave up
mossy finch
is the bows hidden aspect any good?
turbid needle
Very.
opal lodge
big chonky damage
fading nymph
big number
strange lark
Bonk
turbid veldt
Guys, What was your best Gem build?
jovial fulcrum
you just wanna start with posiden for their Gems boon, and take chaos whenever you see them for potential gem boons there too
scarlet yoke
Dark Thirst and hope for Posiedon I guess
boreal prism
Posiedon has 2 gem boons, use shady, pick chaos when you can
jovial fulcrum
yeah, one that boosts gem gain and one that gives you gems. Idr the names. Ocean's Bounty and something else?
scarlet yoke
And of course, see the run through as far as possible because of Vanquisher's Keep
boreal prism
Sunken treasure is the other one
scarlet yoke
Do the rewards from Sunken Treasure give you Health or Coin or anything if you have the respective Contractor upgrade?
scarlet yoke
Do the Gems and Darkness give Max HP and Coins with Brilliant Gems or whatever Darker Darkness is called
scarlet yoke
Specifically from Treasure (I know Premium Vintage gives Pom Power)
lunar flare
What happens if you have the Ares/Artemis duo, but swap the cast boon to something else?
strange lark
the duo boon stops working
lunar flare
ah
clear dome
is dionysius poison build always sub-par?
proven osprey
It will never be the fastest way but it's really efficient at dealing with stuff with pretty much nothing else in your build, which is why it's pretty good in high heat
Curse of Nausea and Low tolerance are good duos though
but usually you don't want all your damage to come from hangover, as I said it's a bit slow
It's really fun to play imo, you have to spread it, pretty much like doom
The pom scaling of hangover is amazing
turbid needle
its good
rapid swan
Hey all, I've been developing an interactive tracker (work in progress) to help finding boon combos by seeing what boons are available/can be unlocked, tracking your foretold prophecies, and more. It's temporarily hosted on Heroku, and while there's many features/changes to come to make it better (all in the readme), I was hoping to get feedback from you all (any and all is appreciated!).
https://hades-tracker.herokuapp.com/Boons/Main
Github repo w/readme: https://github.com/mikemerin/HadesTracker (project is TypeScript/Redux)
Note that the site isn’t optimized for mobile use yet. I’ve been using it full screen on my second monitor while playing (seen in the picture), but a future version will allow for smaller screen use, half screen use, and on your phone.
I'm open to feedback especially on optimization improvements or design upgrades. It's also a good reference app for looking at how Redux works, and how to Typecast properly. Feel free to also fork it and mess around with it
lunar flare
What's your preferred Chiron build?
strange lark
i like aphro attack, dio special, curse of vengeance, low tolerance, and curse of nausea
jovial fulcrum
The pom scaling of hangover is amazing
Call Pom 1 is +6 lmao
proven osprey
yeah that's amazing
lucid oar
Dio call is nuts in general
lone crow
Both ^^
turbid needle
my personal top tiers are Rama, Hestia, Eris, Beowulf, Zeus, Arthur, GY, Demeter
they feel the strongest to me but you can argue in favour of others
I think all bows are amazing but rama outshines the others a lot in heat
opal lodge
i think achilles zag spear zag bow and hera are up there
the problem is the first 3 are hammer reliant
and hera struggles once you get way up there in heat
lunar flare
i like aphro attack, dio special, curse of vengeance, low tolerance, and curse o...
Aphro instead of Arte attack for the duo?
strange lark
Arte attack also works but I like aphro attack
lucid oar
Aphro instead of Arte attack for the duo?
Correct, it's also very easy to activate privileged status with, which you will use in a hangover build
mossy finch
any bow hidden aspect builds?
boreal prism
always get %damage on attack
because %damage will apply to all suffering enemies, while status effects will not
lofty oracle
Anyone have any suggestions for good dio and/or demeter builds? I realized I never use either of them for anything except some support boons
uncut haven
dude... im at an impasse and dont know which door to go for
boreal prism
Whats the doors
boreal prism
Anyone have any suggestions for good dio and/or demeter builds? I realized I nev...
Demeter cast gets strong when you go deep into it, dio cast is strong on cast aspects, dio call is secretly some absurd dps that you can build up
uncut haven
hermes, and a double with ares and athena
boreal prism
I'm biased towards hermes but ares/athena could be good depending on your build, where you're at, all that
boreal prism
Hermes is value
What are you expecting from ares and athena
Ares and athena have some pretty mediocre boons.... but hermes doesn't :)
(Hermes absolutely has bad boons)
uncut haven
makes sense
cunning urchin
Depends entirely on what your current build is.
uncut haven
oh i had some ares stuff. I actually died in the next room hahaha
uncut haven
no I made some mistakes earlier. I went through all my DD as well lol
boreal prism
If only you had gotten an extra athena dd
uncut haven
ohhh you are totally right. forgot that was a thing
cunning urchin
You can only get one if you already have her Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash.
lofty oracle
@boreal prism so like demeter/dio cast with achilles spear/poseidon sword?
boreal prism
No that's not what I mean by cast aspect
Both of those casts would be bad with posiedon
I'm thinking of hera or beo
boreal prism
Arte dem duo for the dem cast
There's a few good duos for dio cast
Also the posiedon artemis duo iirc
The duo that gives you a bonus cast with 30% damage
lofty oracle
cool thanks, gonna try :)
boreal prism
lmk how it goes
solid sable
untold vortex
A perfect console like experience 😉
lunar flare
Note to self: Forced Overtime and the fists hidden aspect = bad combo
strange lark
or you can just say:
fists hidden aspect = bad
lunar flare
I kinda like it, it's definitely less build-dependent than Dem
strange lark
wdym by less build-dependent
proven osprey
well on gilgamesh you don't see a difference when having a build or not
so it's not build dependent
lunar flare
Yeah
That
So if you're farming darkness or whatever you can just stick the Chaos keepsake and take every damn gate
I made the mistake of also taking FO1 which completely messed me up against dad
warm aspen
Best god for Aspect of Lucifer?
lunar flare
Instinct says Zeus
strange lark
artemis and aphro work well on lucifer
lunar flare
Yeah they work well on everything
lunar flare
Which cast do you use for Hera?
strange lark
aphro or athena
prisma patio
Aphro cast Hera is stupidly powerful
valid prism
As long as the damage of Lucifer ramps, any % boon works on the attack, else Zeus and some combos like Ares + Dire misfortune
prisma patio
Zeus is probably better for faster weapons, like Achilles + Flurry Jab
lunar flare
Aphro cast Hera is stupidly powerful
Ah yeah because you're basically creating a wall of bonk
My instinct was to use Dio or Dem
prisma patio
like level 5+ hera cast with mirage, artemis attack, power shot, and like 4/5 stones absolutely shreds
Dio is better on Beowulf
bc Hera without cast stones is just worse Zag bow
lunar flare
Yeah obviously, you need a good cast build on a cast aspect
prisma patio
ye
lunar flare
Wait Demeter on Hera is still the beam?
prisma patio
I dont think it is
Dio Beo only works because Beo is a good weapon, even without casts
strange lark
Wait Demeter on Hera is still the beam?
if you are talking about the cast then yeah hera shoots out crystal beams
prisma patio
nice
strange lark
its not good tho
prisma patio
Meme Beams on Achilles tho 😩
prisma patio
anyways I need to go eat so Ill be right back
prisma patio
Im back
strange lark
welcome back
warm aspen
Best god for Talos?
prisma patio
hm
Ares prob
for ME
but there is a non ME build for ares with talos
if you use stygian soul you can do a curse of drowning build
strange lark
you can also do an aphro cast build with talos
prisma patio
aphro talos is good yea
warm aspen
Thanks a lot
vale pier
Best god for Talos?
Not best, but Low Tolerance (Aphro special, Dio attack) is also good
prisma patio
Dio/Ares/Demeter/Zeus are best attacks on fists
vale stirrup
i had spear of guan yu where my special was lightning with jolt with double stike with splitting bolt legendary with poseidon attack which i got sea storm then my cast had festive fog which also after i got Scintillating Feast
boy did i kill stuff fast
ah yes also i had high voltage
prisma patio
Guan Yu spear is the best worst weapon in the game
vale stirrup
yeah the health tho is 😓
strange lark
achilles is good
but i wont play it without flurry jab
because i hate the spear attack
vale stirrup
for bosses guan yu sometimes suck because some like tisphone with extreme measure is ouch
prisma patio
Achilles is super versatile
strange lark
guan yu is very good at killing bosses
vale stirrup
most of the time
prisma patio
I mostly do cast builds with Achilles but I still try to get flurry jab for the extra dps
Guan Yu with Charged Skewer is op
strange lark
yes
vale stirrup
yeah i had charged skewer as the hammer upgrade
prisma patio
Guan Yu sucks so much sometimes
vale stirrup
and i didnt care about range cuz i was meleeing it 🙂
urban vapor
ok but hear me out
strange lark
charged skewer with lightning flourish 
prisma patio
Guan Yu is insanely situational
vale stirrup
yes
strange lark
why
strange lark
guan yu with serrated point and heartrend + hunters dash
no
vale stirrup
charged skewer lighting special
urban vapor
1k dmg a cycle
urban vapor
one set of dashes
prisma patio
for bosses Guan Yu does well but for rooms its bad
vale stirrup
also my dash was blade rifts with black metal and greatest reflex + 3
urban vapor
guan yu my beloved
strange lark
achilles or hades is a lot better for dash attack builds
prisma patio
you have to go for either boss damage or room damage
Guan Yu is either insanely overpowered or insanely underpowered theres hardly ever a middle
I run RTA very rarely and I dont submit my runs bc I cant record them on switch and gamepad on PC feels klunky compared to gamepad on switch
lucid oar
I would like to give it a go sometime
I generally think my decision making is pretty quick
lucid oar
What's your pb
prisma patio
I think my current pb is like 1450 igt
I got into speedrunning recently so its not good
but Im getting better
lucid oar
Don't worry, when I first started trying to speedrun I was also in the 15 minute range
strange lark
same
lucid oar
I really didn't think it was possible for me to go sub 10, but I just kept trying and my times kept going down
prisma patio
yea
strange lark
it took me a long time to get sub 10
prisma patio
average time for me is ~16 minutes igt
lucid oar
That's pretty quick for a fun run
Do you use the popular speedrun builds like Eris rail?
prisma patio
yea
Eris is one of my fave aspects
the only thing I dont like about it is the reloading feels really slow
lucid oar
You can dash/special after you reload which cancels the animation. It's pretty hard to get used to
prisma patio
oh
strange lark
yeah
lucid oar
It's the small things like that which really help shave off time
prisma patio
ye
lucid oar
The thing that got me sub 10 was to only dash strike, never use standard attacks on eris
prisma patio
the funniest thing is my current PB was a fun run with chaos shield
strange lark
chaos is good
lucid oar
It used to be near my favourite but I prefer all the other shields tbh
It's the only shield I haven't gone sub 10 with
strange lark
zeus has been my favorite aspect for a while now
lucid oar
I love zeus
strange lark
beowulf and eris are coming in close
prisma patio
Zeus is fun
I prefer Beo to Zeus tho
my faves are
Chaos > Achilles > Eris > Beo > Hera
urban vapor
guan yu my beloved
lucid oar
Of course
strange lark
nvm zeus is not my favorite anymore, its guan yu
prisma patio
the thing is like Im never sure what to do with Zeus shield
lucid oar
I'd say my top 5 favourite to play are Achilles > Hestia > Rama > Beowulf > Zeus
prisma patio
I usually go for like Arti or Athena special
lucid oar
the thing is like Im never sure what to do with Zeus shield
Thunder flourish and explosive return/charged shot
strange lark
use zeus squared
prisma patio
tbf Charged Shot is good on all shield aspects
strange lark
ye its the best hammer for shield
lucid oar
Flurry jab is actually ridiculous
frank dew
Lucifer and gilgamesh are prolly my faves
lucid oar
Every time I play it my impression gets better every time
strange lark
my favorite hammer is probably rocket bomb but i have to get cluster bomb with it
prisma patio
Cluster Rockets is op
lucid oar
Lucifer and gilgamesh are prolly my faves
Lucifer is fun but I don't like gilga that much
frank dew
Cluster rocket + trippel bomb is stupid
prisma patio
I only have Stygius, Varatha, Aegis, and Coronacht fully maxed out
frank dew
Yeh gilga is not especially strong but i still like it
prisma patio
Im working on getting Exagryph maxed out
lucid oar
I've got about 30 titan blood sitting about doing nothing
strange lark
pathetic, i have 60
lucid oar
:(
prisma patio
I have like 6k darkness Im never going to use
strange lark
you can use it to get the chaos theme and the badges
frank dew
You can use it for the titel etc
prisma patio
Ive gotten a few badges
I dont have a theme yet tho
Im working on that
I also have 5/6 companions maxed out
strange lark
i have all the companions maxed out but i dont think im ever gonna use anything thats not battie
lucid oar
I've only ever used meg
prisma patio
in my defense thanatos is hot
lucid oar
I don't even have than, bouldy, skelly or Achilles unlocked
strange lark
mort was fun for a bit but i hated how long it took to hit the enemies
prisma patio
I have all of them but I havent maxed out Antos yet
I forgot bonds existed for a bit so now Im actually trying to progress the story instead of giving god food to the plushies to make them kill more things
frank dew
I like boldy due to its versatility
prisma patio
all of em are fun
Im probably gonna use all of them at some point just to max out the codex
the codex is easy to max out
except the fish
little quiver
does hunting blades work with mirage shot?
ive tried to get mirage shot to show up but even after spending all my rerolls and 3 different pose/artemis boons i didnt get it.
now im wondering weather i just got unlucky and have to try again to get that meme going or if its just impossible
strange lark
yes
little quiver
well gotta try again then next time the spear got bonus darkness^^
jovial fulcrum
could do it on sword too
reef palm
I'm kinda curious what the general consensus on best weapon is
turbid needle
none
reef palm
Fair enough
reef palm
The only weapon I've managed to beat Hades with so far is the twin fists, so I guess that makes sense
Least success has been with the shield, but that might just be the case because of my generally aggressive style
weary ridge
insane autododge with zag fist/plume, also unless i take plume i play at potato speed so theres that
reef palm
I don't think I've used the plume tbh, though that's usually because I'm focusing on fulfilling prophecies instead of true builds.
weary ridge
It's really good, if you stack literally all the dodge it feels impossible to die kinda makes me wonder if there is a cap to it
reef palm
I mean there has to be eventually, since there are a limited number of chambers
If I remember the plume effect correctly
turbid needle
you can get 100% dodge
reef palm
Wow
turbid needle
but you need hermes boons
turbid needle
ruthless too yeah
reef palm
Plume, Hermes Boons, and the one aspect on fists I assume
weary ridge
zag aspect 15% dodge
weary ridge
its only at level 5 thou
turbid needle
trade...and get that one hud theme
reef palm
I only today found out about the mirror's switch function and have to figure those out too now.
I should probably reset my darkness while I'm at it
weary ridge
Now you just need like 10000 darkness for that fated persuasion 🙂
reef palm
I'm at around 7k so I'm getting there
reef palm
I do that naturally, no need for increased movespeed
weary ridge
lol
i kinda take hypersprint everytime i see it
Just incase rush delivery rolls cos thats OP
reef palm
I haven't gotten that one I don't think
Though I've only gotten all of Aphrodite and Artemis's boons
weary ridge
Do you have a favourite cast?
reef palm
Hmm I admittedly don't focus on cast that much, though I tend to find good use out of Ares, Artemis, or Athena
Lotta A names there
weary ridge
yea imagine some crazy person that names all their kids A names
out wait thats my dad 😄
reef palm
Yeah I've met people with families like that
I have an A name myself, though my parents weren't like that
weary ridge
I kinda like curse of drowning most but don't really like flood shot lol
reef palm
Poseiden and Zeus are easily the two deities I've interacted with the least
Poseiden rarely even shows up anymore
weary ridge
and trippy shot feels so good when you have a lot of extra stuff to go with it
Maybe just swap keepsake? 🙂
reef palm
I could but it's not like I really want their boons
weary ridge
well individually maybe not but mix them with other stuff and their great
cant even imagine a hoarding slash build without trying to get ocean's bounty for instance
reef palm
Tbh whenever Poseiden does show up I usually do get Ocean's Bounty
And Zeus I avoid most runs for some reason
weary ridge
Well his attack is kinda best on Rail anyway 🙂
Rama bow special with relentless volley and seastorm....woooOW need this again lol 🙂
reef palm
Lmao
reef palm
So is the Aspect of Guan Yu any good, it seems pretty strong but that's a rough health penalty
lucid oar
The special is pretty strong especially with charged skewer and a chunky flourish boon
The spin is only worth using in between waves
turbid needle
if you upgrade it the health penalty gets lower
reef palm
I figured, guess I'll keep clearing with the twin fists for the time being then switch to spear once I get max guan yu
little quiver
Can somebody give me some advice on the hera bow? I seem to struggle a bit vs bosses when i cant just oneshot stuff with 3 bloodstones
little quiver
So far i had 2 runs with aphro
opal lodge
aphro is good
little quiver
Trying to get pose and artemis for their duos
opal lodge
thats a good start
the nice thing about hera is that it has a number of ways to scale its damage
little quiver
Mirage shot worked really well and the stronget poms made it konda ridiculous
opal lodge
you can go for poseidon and artemis for mirage but thats not the only way
mirage is the strongest way though and should be prioritized
little quiver
But damm hades cost me 3 dds thats the most ive dief to him in my recent runs
opal lodge
other ways are things like fully loaded, Quick reload from hermes, hammers such as triple or flurry
chaos cast damage
extra chaos cast stones
well cast damage
well cast stones
etc
little quiver
I see yeah gotta work on dodging probably if i cant just burst him down like im used to 😅
opal lodge
yeah so if you have QR it decreases the amount of time you'll have to be dodging
little quiver
Hmm that sounds good
Ive got additional dashes in my last runs cause thats usually my go to hermes
And is it better to fully load my bow or use multiple shots with 1 stone?
strange lark
And is it better to fully load my bow or use multiple shots with 1 stone?
it depends on what enemies you are fighting
if you are fighting normal enemies use 1 cast
little quiver
it depends on what enemies you are fighting
Mostly for the bosses
strange lark
if you are fighting armored enemies or bosses you use all your casts
lucid oar
Snow burst is also good, but shouldn't take priority over mirage
little quiver
if you are fighting armored enemies or bosses you use all your casts
Thanks :)
Wasnt quite sure because it seemed like not every cast was hitting hades for expample.
Sometimes he only had 1 or 2 stones stuck even tho i used all 3
dusty hazel
anyone tried the drunk cannon on lucifer?
strange lark
yeah
dusty hazel
super strong lol
im going to mix it up
with the drunk shock cannon
or beam
any good build with beowulf????
lucid oar
Mirage shot is a must on beowulf
strange lark
dusty hazel
cool
high temple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/846780065429323776/Scr...
how did you get that boon screen?
max relationship with chaos?
strange lark
Yes
uncut lintel
then you have to purchase it from the contractor right?
strange lark
Yes
weary ridge
So stygian shards seem to stack exponentially anyone had 3 at once in styx? Seeing those trap damage numbers would kill me 🙂
opal lodge
yeah ello has an old clip of 129600 dmg to a rat
lime jolt
max relationship with chaos?
You don’t have to max chaos to get that screen
It just costs a bit of darkness
lofty oracle
do you guys make builds around boons missing for prophecies or just take them as you do other builds?
i got so many duo boons i never used
lofty oracle
On the way to completing them all though is what I mean
lime jolt
do you guys make builds around boons missing for prophecies or just take them as...
I didn’t really focus on completing the prophecies and they just kinda happened
boreal prism
I definitely made builds around duo boons when I was trying to finish that one
turbid veldt
Any save editor for this game or anyone who can pass me a save file
👀
I dont like grinding and already beat papa hades with a rod like 20 times
turbid needle
you can get a maxed file from speddrun.com
lime jolt
What do you need the file for?
timber coyote
Can anyone give me a fun or OP build that is not fists or sword :) thanks im looking to get more titans blood and im not great at the game
strange lark
eris rail, zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash, cluster bomb, rocket bomb
urban vapor
build for rama?
im pr sure im going for aphro-artemis heartrend but what hammers should i take
turbid needle
always go artemis or aphro attack
br
heartrend aint that good on rama
its okay
urban vapor
what should i do then
turbid needle
gonna be just fine on low heat tbh
its usually overkill to go for heartrend
and you want something more useful on special
like dio or zeus
all hammers are good on rama except sniper and celestial wave
explosive can be wierd to use because its so slow
boreal prism
Explosive shot rama is very fun but if you're attached to winning it might not be objectively the best choice
strange lark
im pr sure im going for aphro-artemis heartrend but what hammers should i take
For hammers you should get triple shot and point blank shot shot, if you don't get those look for twin shot and perfect shot, but the power shot on rama is harder to pull off
honest wing
I love twin on rama
elder gale
I know Infinite Chamber isn't normally good, but would it work with the Demeter chill explosion build?
turbid needle
sure
elder gale
Other options are Concentrated beam and piercing fire.
turbid needle
the other 2 r pretty good tho
elder gale
Which do we prefer?
cunning urchin
Infinity Chamber is decent.
turbid needle
zag bow is good just slap artemis or aphro on attack and grab hammers
timber coyote
Twin shot and pefect shot?
turbid needle
all the attack hammer except sniper r good
elder gale
This build sucks.
devout geode
I'd guess for the special?
mossy finch
yeah
if you ask for builds for the special based weapon, people will answer about the special
on the other hand, I would tell you that you should just use Hera because its better
devout geode
oh Hera's my baby, I just wanna give Chiron a fair short
mossy finch
ah
turbid needle
artemis special, aphro atk and get heartrend very solid
dio on special is also very good
devout geode
oo noted- I think I'll flip a coin between that and a chill build
cunning urchin
Frost Flourish is safe for boss fights because of Chill, but the DPS is low.
Tempest Flourish on Chiron is very good if you can get Sea Storm on it.
devout geode
Noted- I accidentally slid sideways into a bizarre Crystal Beam build with Crystal Clarity's tracking so uh- definitely going to aim for that or heartrend next time
sterile fiber
that was my build for my second win ever
With glacial glare + killing freeze. Basically kitefest for the final boss
boreal prism
what's hammer priority on eris
I'm offered delta chamber, spread fire, explosive fire
obviously eris would rather take special hammers
uh well i did a quick search and found someone incessantly recommending delta chamber so it cant be that bad
silk hearth
huh eris boosts all ur dmg so why would special hammers be better than other hammers
boreal prism
More specials = more chance of hitting yourself with it?
silk hearth
it shouldnt be that hard to stand in ur special blast zone tho
boreal prism
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
turbid veldt
Would like to have a room to.test all boons
opal lodge
special hammers are amazing
silk hearth
yea those hammers r good
silk hearth
for rama, is chain shot or twin shot better
lofty oracle
Is there any information out there of how the god pool works per run? I read somewhere that you can only get 4, but you force/exchange those with keepsakes, but it all seems like guesswork
silk hearth
nice
turbid needle
Is there any information out there of how the god pool works per run? I read som...
per default you get 4 randomized gods and once you picked up 4 god boons naturally no more gods will show up. you can go above 4 by using keepsakes. the game naturally rolls rng all the time so there normally isnt really a starting 4 you would be locked into
you can see this if you give up on a run which keeps your starting seed but it will turn out to be different than your run before
opal lodge
you can get any of the 8 normally
lofty oracle
so if I start with ares keepsake but the game gives me 4 other randomized gods i could still get ares rooms later?
opal lodge
there is no 4 god pool until you get 4 gods
lofty oracle
so ares would become one of the 4 with the keepsake?
opal lodge
keepsake only forces next god
if you already have taken boons from 4 other gods it expands your pool to 5
lofty oracle
Cool, thanks
silk hearth
how do i use rama
do i charge up the attack or just attack as soon as possible
i find that i get hit a lot while charging attacks
turbid needle
you wanna tag enemies and dash somewhere safe to charge
you def cant halways get full charge but try to get half charge at least
attacking asap is bad
lofty oracle
With triple shot I do no charge because I try to be right on them to hit them with all 3 shots
Is that wrong?
valid prism
You still charge
turbid needle
you wanna charge with triple too
valid prism
But because you need to get closer it will be more difficult to spam powershot
lofty oracle
I need to watch speedruns at like 0.5 speed to learn the mechanics
silk hearth
hmm thanks
lucid oar
I'm pretty sure you can still get exit wounds with Achilles
loud oracle
i could yeah, but then exit wounds would take longer to activate
chasing down the casts are also a nuisance in my opinion
with Poseidon i could choose when i want the casts to dislodge
scarlet yoke
does Igneus' damage ever ramp to the point where it's worth taking a ramping boon like Demeter over Thunderstruck, in terms of pure damage?
turbid needle
I think you got it backwards