It's popcorn worthy
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven osprey
balmy star
pensivehands
opal lodge
what a chad
jovial fulcrum
Priv Stat depends on the aspect and build a lot.
balmy star
just to be crystal clear
jovial fulcrum
I like it though. Makes me feel big brain when it works
balmy star
fam fav works as follows (i think): lets say i have 1 athena 1 ares, therefore bonus is 5%, and if i add another god it goes to 7.5, so on?
limber cloak
yeah
balmy star
bc ive only ever checked once and i think i had an extra 25% but it looked like i only had 3 or 4 dif god boons so i think im wro-
nvm
youngspiegel moment
jovial fulcrum
On average, you'll end with 25% because hermes counts too
balmy star
word
opal lodge
lol
opal lodge
hermes does yeah
honest wing
imma try to maximize the family favourites bonus as much
opal lodge
but generally speaking FF>PS in 99% of the cases
honest wing
maxed out god pool lets goo
balmy star
he is an olympian is he not?
opal lodge
it's about value over time
jovial fulcrum
Paper doubting Hermes god status 
limber cloak
always thought he wasnt technically an olympian god or something, which is why he didnt count towards the 4 god pool and ff
LOL
honest wing
chaos is the god of chaos
limber cloak
yeah ik about chaos, wasnt sure on hermes
jovial fulcrum
does chaos count towards FF
opal lodge
no
balmy star
jovial fulcrum
opal lodge
in 1.0 yeah
jovial fulcrum
At low heat I think its worth the effort. It easy to get it online before the end of Asphodel, which is when you start needing the 40%
limber cloak
id rather have consistency even on casual runs
plus, with ps, you're biased towards picking boons that activate it
id rather have the freedom to pick the best boon, not the one that'll activate ps
limber cloak
LOL
opal lodge
not sure how good that is though
jovial fulcrum
Most of the curses are pretty good tho.
turbid needle
honestly the only reason why I picked ps when I started playing was bc it had an visual indicator, ff kindof shows you nothing
limber cloak
they are, but there are other boons better than the curses
especially for gods that have tier 2 curses
limber cloak
honestly the only reason why I picked ps when I started playing was bc it had an...
visual and audio, most people just dont notice the dmg difference from ff
turbid needle
ps feels more like it does something
limber cloak
yeah
opal lodge
yeah this i think is one of my main "complaints" if i can really say i have many about the game
there are visual biases toward certain options/boons/etc
liek
razor shoals
for instance
is a much more INTERESTING
boon
than breaking wave
turbid needle
but then ppl explained me the numbers on FF and I was like huh okay its a lot better
opal lodge
but breaking wave is about 10x better
opal lodge
LOL
limber cloak
lol
jovial fulcrum
opal lodge
PS sounds make sara tonein
jovial fulcrum
I didn't even notice it has a sound associated with it
limber cloak
taking hunters mark because its a good boon that allows your crit chance to have a higher ceiling ❎
taking hunter's mark because ps ✅
opal lodge
honestly if arty werent so good i'd take PS more
i've started considering it more on 50+ heat
where i take aphro more than arty
slim lynx
hunter's mark + one-shotting weapon + ps seems like a good idea on paper
until it doesn't crit
opal lodge
but by that point im usually running RI2 as well and the PS dream falls apart
jovial fulcrum
I dunno, the payoff seems like its there and enough to me. I'm not necessarily trying to take WRs though.
limber cloak
yeah you can use whatever ya want lol
you dont have to use whats the most efficient or consistent, its a game, you make your own choices
jovial fulcrum
I can respect that a third of my mirror is 'wrong' optimally, lol. It can change when I play higher heats
jovial fulcrum
rekt
limber cloak
tfw all arte *commons* on god's pride 20% plus arte ks
god's pride is a scam
it is known
though tbh rarity doesnt matter much for artemis boons
turbid needle
does it not work?
proven osprey
Noticeable difference for the flourish tho
But you don't need it
Common arty is fine
limber cloak
does it not work?
nah nah it works, its just a meme
god's pride and god's legacy, are both huge scams
jovial fulcrum
high roll twinsies 
hollow wraith
does auto reload just not work? I have 3 second reload time for cast by default but when I get it it doesn't go down at all when it should be .5 seconds
hollow wraith
Ah I misread
got my hunting blade and blade rift legendary going, this run shaping up good
lime jolt
Both legacy and pride are scams
hollow wraith
does presssure points also work with the crystal beams
strange lark
yes
hollow wraith
cool
strange lark
everything that comes from zag can crit now
with hunters mark everything can crit
traps, and charmed enemies
hollow wraith
very nice
lime jolt
Meg can only be increased by sweet surreneder and targeting system iirc
strange lark
bruh
well i do know that than COULD backstab
i dont know if he can still do that
i saw haelian hit a 7k than summon
lime jolt
That was a bug
strange lark
bruh
hollow wraith
https://gyazo.com/a74da559c7993cbd2d7a8e8bedc85e4f damn the damage on this build is filthy. not sure which out of these upgrades to choose though https://gyazo.com/55c2153382de125233dcfce87f9ec3a5
strange lark
rav will
lime jolt
Especially when it’s epic
strange lark
as long as you keep throwing out your casts then you will deal a ton of damage
hollow wraith
I chose rav. All seemed pretty good but 30% damage is alot to pass up
proven osprey
Killing freeze is really good damage too
strange lark
wait are you in styx rn
lime jolt
Astaos can summons crit?
proven osprey
Nope
magic rivet
Calls can crit though
proven osprey
You can increase you summon damage by "enemies take more damage"
magic rivet
Like Aphrodite's at full charge
hollow wraith
wait are you in styx rn
yes
lime jolt
Also explosive return cannot crit
strange lark
Calls can crit though
have you heard of artemis call
lime jolt
Same with hangover
strange lark
doom can crit
proven osprey
doom can crit for absurd damage indeed
lime jolt
lvl3 razor shoals on em3 theseus is hilarious to watch
magic rivet
At epic even
magic rivet
He zooms around for like 10 seconds then the chariot disappears
strange lark
i dont even know how rupture works
proven osprey
enemies : move also enemies : oof
strange lark
oh
magic rivet
But it's hilarious on FO2
hollow wraith
haha glacial call. got 6 second long call now this is going to be a good hades fight
lime jolt
But it's hilarious on FO2
Exactly
scarlet glen
Anyone got some random awesome god/weapon synergies to throw out
strange lark
zeus and zeus are great
proven osprey
Zeus alone is really funny yeah, high voltage and double strike are super fun
scarlet glen
Zeus... and zeus?
strange lark
zeus shield
scarlet glen
Oh lol
scarlet glen
I'm kinda doodoo with shield lmao
proven osprey
Gilgamesh dash build featuring zeus
strange lark
Gilgamesh dash build featuring zeus
i wanna try that but i dont gave good rng
proven osprey
Yeah you really need zeus and more zeus
magic rivet
It doesn't have good damage until you get double strike from my experience
lime jolt
Zeus^zeus
proven osprey
Yeah the early run is complicated
so you can maim to crush annoying foes :)
Ruthless reflex too
magic rivet
But then it's not a dash only run
strange lark
what about poseidon dash only
magic rivet
Ez
proven osprey
Using maim is useful if you plan to live at like 32 or more
but if you're doing a completely casual run
Then it's fine
magic rivet
Just get a bunch of poseidon tier 2 boons like the aforementioned razor shoals and wave pounding
scarlet glen
Just got zeus shield, this thing is weird
strange lark
Just got zeus shield, this thing is weird
beyblade
magic rivet
Yeah it takes a while to get used to the moveset
And making sure your shield doesn't fly into nowhere
strange lark
its a weird shield but i love it
scarlet glen
Immediately got epic thunder flourish
strange lark
epic gamer moment
scarlet glen
God tier rng
strange lark
if only i had that
scarlet glen
Just don't be bad at the video game
strange lark
ok
scarlet glen
4head
strange lark
ok
honest wing
double strike is one of the best tier2s to exist
hollow wraith
Just unlocked guan yu. Feels really clunky but I guess I'll get used to it
strange lark
guan yu is a weird weapon
hollow wraith
what happens with rewards if you skip heat levels. do you have to go back to get them
strange lark
if you are supposed to do 1 heat but you do 2 heat then you will get the rewards for 1 heat and you have to do 2 heat again
hollow wraith
do the post call buffs work if you use call with only 25% fill
hollow wraith
like if I had the auto fill but capped at 25% call then the hermes buff that gives like +33% dodge chance after you use a call for 10 secs
hollow wraith
Ah pog so I could have a permanent 50% dodge chance
honest wing
yes
jovial fulcrum
Smoldering Air w/ Second Wind and Billow Strength are 
honest wing
yes
jovial fulcrum
Proud Bearing is nice too, so you don't have to wait 5 seconds at the start of each room
honest wing
quick favor also
and clouded judgement
basically a call build
is there any way at all to combine second wind and hades call?
jovial fulcrum
🎵 I just met Zeus, and this is crazy 🎵
🎵 But i'm stuck in Hades, so call me maybe 🎵
i think you can just... be offered second wind if you have hades call
real orchid
If im trying lightning fists instead of ME should i take the 20% epic chance instead of gods pride
nocturne raven
Just started trying to use Zeus' Aid in runs since most of my builds are Zeus-based, is it generally better to use his Greater Call or just fire it up whenever a bar is filled in the gauge?
real orchid
I guess it depends on the situation, do you have billowing strength?
nocturne raven
I've gotten it once or twice.
(Also I have no idea about lightning fists so can't answer your question, sorry)
valid dagger
You usually fire right away with Zeus
nocturne raven
You usually fire right away with Zeus
Alright, thanks. My usual go-to Aid before now was Artemis', so I'm used to waiting for Greater Call.
real orchid
Nw, and yeah^
Zeus aid is prob one of the best in the game if youre comfy getting up close
valid dagger
If im trying lightning fists instead of ME should i take the 20% epic chance ins...
God's Pride is always a good pick, I take it all the time for serious runs even if im aiming for a certain duo, Epic boons are very strong, especially from some gods like Hermes, Legacy is alright, I just it take it for fun sometimes, but you get noticeably less Epic boons with it, has its drawbacks.
jovial fulcrum
Most calls i just fire off for lessers
whether or not i have smoldering lol
I'm so used to having it that i just hit the call button when i hear the sound for notch filling up
real orchid
Hmm okay thanks! Is ME a build that you still want legacy on though
Cause it's so inconsistent
cunning urchin
Just started trying to use Zeus' Aid in runs since most of my builds are Zeus-ba...
There are very few situations in which you can actually hit all the lightning bolts from your Greater Call. You're usually better off with Lesser Calls.
The Greater Call lasts a full 9 seconds.
real orchid
Also if youre on a boss usually greater call will trigger a phase change and they will become invuln for a lot of it
Although ig thats just the same as what nya said
split relic
Question
For trying to do 8 heat
Should I use td3 or nah
Cause I feel ok dying to much
split relic
What should I use besides em2 td2?
strange lark
em2 = 3 heat
td2=3 heat
split relic
Ye
strange lark
and then try jury summons 1 and lasting consequences 1
split relic
Ok
strange lark
or you can get rid of those and try middle management
magic rivet
Or benefits package
static karma
dusky drum
i mean mm and bp are both relatively easy :/
mm just makes you have to learn the fights again which isnt hard
and bp can be super easy if you dont get screwed
jovial fulcrum
MM Barge seems easier to me
strange lark
and bp can be super easy if you dont get screwed
and bp can be super easy unless it isnt super easy
jovial fulcrum
It makes it have less waves in exchange for the boss soul stone, right
strange lark
one wave with a big stone thing
jovial fulcrum
yeah way better
dusky drum
and bp can be super easy unless it isnt super easy
tbh it just makes me never take god trials and thats it
only a slight change of playstyle otherwise, like fast high damage shield bearers makes me be a bit more careful
thats really about it
strange lark
god trials arent that hard, i just know to always pick aphro, dio, dem, and athena
strange lark
only a slight change of playstyle otherwise, like fast high damage shield bearer...
those guys are annoying
jovial fulcrum
Aphro is one of the easier trials to face for me, idk
strange lark
nah
jovial fulcrum
anything but zooz trial 
strange lark
zeus trial is easy
wraith spruce
Aphro and Demeter trials wreck me
real orchid
alright time for first speedrun attempt with meg let's see how this goes
gonna try demeter fist with zeus keepsake
valid dagger
TD disables Suvival Rooms (timer stops in those rooms) so turning it on for speedrunning doesnt help, FO2 isnt quite a requirement, people have gotten sub 8s with FO1
Speedrunning is more about getting the habits down
real orchid
hmm ares first non-keepsake boon 🤔
kinda dont want it
that makes sense, maybe i should turn off td then
well misclicked zeus boon and got hermes instead and wasted yarn yikes
rip run
3:18 tartarus oof
turbid needle
Aphrodite's Wrath would be super easy if it didn't spawn on top of you occasionally.
strange lark
chiron is really good for speedrunning
strange lark
if you have enough blood then yes
fervent elbow
You should, but you can still use it with lvl 3
split relic
What do I build for it?
surreal wasp
id say chiron bow is fast for bosses but... on the slower side for normal rooms
split relic
How do I build for it tho? I tried deadly flourish and it was eh
split relic
Well it felt like it wasn't doing a lot of dmg against boss
But maybe cause it was lvl2
Idk
split relic
Ok
strange lark
heart rend is the normal build for chiron
but if you can pull it off, sea storm chiron is better
faint sluice
split relic
Also y can I not use megs companion
I tried using it against tisiphone
And it didn't activate
split relic
Heck
strange lark
except hades
split relic
Oki
devout trellis
what are some good hammer on achilles
hearty elbow
Flurry Jab
strange lark
Too wtf I do lernie in less than a min?
what
strange lark
what did you expect
strange lark
how much damage did you think it would do?
strange lark
oh ok
hearty elbow
The most common usage of Meg for that fight is the very last phase, to kill Lernie instantly if you're very close to losing a DD/dying
split relic
Hmm
I can see that
How do I use for theseus fight
I got 2 more uses from well of charon
strange lark
you should probably wait until they are close to eachother because it is hard to get both of them with the summon right at the start
turbid needle
Doesn't the way Meg is aimed make it so you want to hit summon the instant the fight starts?
strange lark
Should I also stick them with bloodstone?
nope
turbid needle
Boiling Blood only increases damage from you Attack and Special.
strange lark
50% extra damage is not worth it
turbid needle
Doesn't boost damage from additional effects from Lightning, Hangover, or Doom.
Yes.
Been favoring the bow for high heat recently. Any particular boon shine better with bow?
strange lark
which aspect?
turbid needle
Chiron.
strange lark
try sea storm
turbid needle
I was demeter attack and then zeus special for bunch of bolts.
Zeus Special doesn't work with Chiron very well.
I'll check it out.
You can only get one lightning bolt ever 0.3 seconds.
turbid needle
Zeus Special doesn't work with Chiron very well.
It really didn't.
cunning urchin
How do I use for theseus fight
Tap up on d-pad at the start of the fight and immediately summon. Hits both 100% of the time.
turbid needle
I think I noticed like halfway through I got an actual bolt.
Last I checked Sea Storm also got a bat to the ankles, but that could have changed.
hearty elbow
You can only get one lightning bolt ever 0.3 seconds.
You can get 2 very close to every time if you aim the bow at an angle after shooting. That being said, it's still not insane lol
turbid needle
Yeah, definitely still not worth it over Deadly or Drunken Flourish.
Aphrodite Attack on both, leads to Heart Rend or Low Tolerance.
Ooh. I like this too.
If you wanna be a real weirdo you could stick Artemis on Cast or Call instead with Heartbreak Strike and Drunken Flourish, get the holy crit trinity.
split relic
Tap up on d-pad at the start of the fight and immediately summon. Hits both 100%...
Thank you, oh wise one
turbid needle
My wife is a devout artemis caster, don't let her see me using it
strange lark
what
hearty elbow
I think Deadly Strike is perfectly fine on hangover Chiron. Works really well with the attack hammers, and Splitting Headache is great
turbid needle
True, but it's harder to keep Weak up unless you get Empty Inside.
I like Heartbreak Strike because you're getting the Duo bonus on the Volley, no matter what.
hearty elbow
Oh, I meant in that situation I'm just not bothering to have Weak at all
turbid needle
True, sometimes RNG says no.
cunning urchin
Just take Deadly Strike + Passion Dash and play budget Zag Bow.
cunning urchin
Or more like overpriced counterfeit Zag Bow, because you paid 10 more Titan Blood for 15% less crit chance. 
turbid needle
So I have to bleed a few more titans
strange lark
So I have to bleed a few more titans
the titans are dead
turbid needle
😉
hearty elbow
Nah, they're just bite sized and spread to the corners of the wrold
turbid needle
Wendy's x Hades : 10 piece spicy titan nuggets.
Off to try out some of this here bow build.
split relic
Is dio beo or aphro beo objectively better?
proven osprey
Aphro is really reliable while dio will require a highroll on casts but has more potential
lime jolt
Pos is the best of both worlds
proven osprey
Pengy come on sigh
proven osprey
True
idle carbon
aim for scintillating feast if dio
lime jolt
Scint feast really doesn't do much lol
You pretty much oneshot everything
Get mirage + bad news + chaos casts
As I said before, its very highroll
idle carbon
Scint feast really doesn't do much lol
lime jolt
Yeah but it doesn't really do anything lol
idle carbon
lime jolt
Also u might wanna consider taking CF2 off for beo
idle carbon
why
lime jolt
bcs beo likes boons
I also don't use CF for any of my 40 pacts
But especially for beo
Any cast weapon dislikes CF
hearty elbow
CF2 plays out pretty similarly to RI2 (not including RI1, just the 2nd point in it)
idle carbon
charged shot is 👌 on beo ?
lime jolt
oh yeah
lime jolt
Dad fight took like a minute even with em4
but it shines in normal rooms
Charged shot 80 dmg with 100% dragon rush is incredible powerful
Especially with deadly strike
idle carbon
stygian better ?
lime jolt
for dio beo yes
takes too long for the cast stones to come back normally
And highroll for chaos casts
lime jolt
Everything but dio beo is infernal
And aphro cast + snow burst + priv status is extremely good
lime jolt
It's what @proven osprey used for his 50 beo so I think he wants me to advertise
Jk its really good tho
proven osprey
Beo takes EM4 so you have room to build
lime jolt
This is why retrash is so consistent at 50
They can do em4 consistently
And suddenly 50 becomes ezpz
idle carbon
em4 is a bs fight
lime jolt
Its extremely fun
proven osprey
It's fun with beo
Because Hades is the only dummy target that can withstand your burst
idle carbon
well if it's fun you want then maybe
but if you want a guaranteed run
nope
it gets dark which is cheap imo
lime jolt
Turning up brightness helps
cursive nest
just played em4 for my first time
hot dang
that fight is really fun like you said yeah
just hard
idle carbon
he also heals like
cursive nest
good kinda hard
lime jolt
You can destroy the pots and damage him at the same time
idle carbon
pots that do 150 damage to you ?
lime jolt
I agree that em4 is extremely hard but IMO it is the only way to clear 50 consistently
idle carbon
you are probably right with it being doable with beo at 50
but with melee weapons iunno
feels unbalanced
lime jolt
Em4 with meleee weapons is just bad
hearty elbow
I like how we're discussing 50 heat in this channel and first clears and meme runs in the heat one :3
Working as intended
lime jolt
idle carbon
someone asked aphro/dio cast for beo and it went on from there lul
slim lynx
do people usually go for sea storm on tidal dash with achilles?
split relic
someone asked aphro/dio cast for beo and it went on from there lul
I like causing chaos
nocturne raven
Just got Sea Storm for the first time with Tidal Dash, basically got through ||Styx|| with dashes alone. (I had Flood Shot as well, hence how I got it at all)
kind cloud
sea storm is one of of the best boons in the game. basically allows you to cheese through the game even on high heat. it's basically adds legendary splitting bolt to every poseidon boon. so good.
prisma gorge
Question: Is Divine Dash a must-have, or is it a crutch for people who haven't figure out dash timing yet? I take it every time I go through, but I can't help but feel like I'm doing it wrong.
lime jolt
It is really nice to have for sure
It gives an extra layer of safety
But it is definitely not necessary
There are other extremely good dashes as well
nocturne raven
It's the ideal beginner's dash imo, but once you get to a point where deflecting isn't necessary for survival Tidal Dash is where it's at.
prisma gorge
Huh. THat is not what I would have expected. I guess it makes sense, since it's damage and pushback
lime jolt
tidal dash damage is quite good
proven osprey
Divine dash is really good and unlocks DDs. It's super useful to kill certain enemies and deflecting projectiles to protect acorn (EM3 fight...). It's kind of a crutch though, and damage dash are prolly better
nocturne raven
I think it scales the best out of all dashes with different levels, but I might be wrong.
lime jolt
Divine dash scales?
nocturne raven
Nah, tidal.
lime jolt
Yeah
Definitely
Having amazing pom scaling and breaking wave being one of the best t2's in the game, it probably scales the best out of the dashes
Thunder dash might be an exception but its damage is low
nocturne raven
Thunder dash is good for Zeus-oriented builds, but in all other cases it's terrible imo.
real orchid
if i record a speedrun attempt would anyone mind giving me some tips on what to improve? im a little confused as to the intricacies of running this game
lime jolt
sure!
opal lodge
have you joined the speedrunning discord?
lime jolt
I'm not great but I could still give it a look
yeah speedrunning discord has a vod review channel
real orchid
i have not :o i didnt realize there was one
real orchid
ah i can grab it from there, ty though! i'll upload a run when i get back if it doesnt go too horribly
gusty rapids
good luck!
real orchid
alright it's a full minute slower than my pb cause i made some dumb mistakes but i got 2 sack at the end so i figured i would use it anyways https://youtu.be/QkPfFPseI7A
most of the lost time compared to my pb was probably screwing up minibosses which makes sense cause i just got bat today lol
lime jolt
I'l give it a look!
real orchid
ty ty
lime jolt
- Don't get too hung up on smaller enemies and let doom take care of them. Move your way up to the exit of the room, and don't stop if you see an enemy spawn; kill whats already spawned a few spaces ahead, and then go back to kill it
(This is from what I have seen so far)
Make sure to stick to the exit of a room to try and make them spawn around you
Use dash uppers instead of normal uppers as well
real orchid
Ahh thats smart i forgot doom will trigger even if you run away
Should i use normal upper after getting ME but before athena dash cause it's faster? Or still dash upper
gusty rapids
one thing i'd also recommend is that after reading all of this, watch some of the top runs of demeter fists on speedrun dot com, and keep these things in mind as you watch those vids
real orchid
Will do 👍
gusty rapids
you should never be using the normal upper, dash upper is always faster
real orchid
Oh wow i thought the double upper part made it slower
gusty rapids
the combo after getting ME but before dash is dash strike -> dash upper (if you time it right, you can use the same dash for the strike and upper)
lime jolt
Did I do okay Croven?
gusty rapids
this one might be easier to see in someone else's vid, a bit hard to explain and i cant find an example atm
yeah lol pengy those are p good tips
lime jolt
Do you go by frog or Croven here?
gusty rapids
either
lime jolt
alright
gusty rapids
you can also just say "king croven, greatest hades player of all time"
lime jolt
So King Gremlin, the Great frog of Croven
proven osprey
Croven with gremlin binds
real orchid
Yeah that makes sense, i was intentionally normal specialing cause i thought it was faster lmao woops
gusty rapids
lmao
yeah get used to using the dash upper, if you can do it easily it will save a lot of time
normal special is a bit clunky
lime jolt
Also try not to have too many empty dash strikes
Whenever you kill an enemy, immediately let go of your attack button
real orchid
Ooo good point, i have noticed that movement feels a little sticky if i hold down attack too long
gusty rapids
yeah movement gets weird if you empty dash strike
lime jolt
With cleaner rooms you'll get the sub 10 in no time!
gusty rapids
regular dashes are much smoother
static ibex
Eris is fast fast fast
opal vortex
When you try to get exclusive access ASAP and you get it on the 1st styx tunnel...
I just wanted to see how strong exclusive access + sweet nectar could be if I got them both right away
hearty elbow
If only Sweet Nectar affected... actual Nectar rooms, or Pom Blossom
hearty elbow
It's been a while since I've taken it so don't quote me, but I do remember being unpleasantly surprised that it didn't
Pom slices still work
Eurydice poms do not
lime jolt
@balmy star I owe all my skills to my master @proven osprey who has shown me the ways of guan yu
cunning urchin
Sweet Nectar is really good, anyway.
Both Lady Aphrodite's and Poseidon's boons have great pom scaling.
opal vortex
but I have flurry shot with greater recall using Hera...so that's kinda fun. Pretty much makes my special worthless though
hearty elbow
Picking Hera from the courtyard does that by itself
cunning urchin
<@!221066052635721728> I owe all my skills to my master <@!238040913715265537> w...
I don't remember giving my student the rank of master.
balmy star
only master i know of is Ms/Mrs former wr here
cunning urchin
You become delusional and fed to sacred crocodiles?
hearty elbow
Your words :3
lime jolt
"the student has surpassed the master"
cunning urchin
only master i know of is Ms/Mrs former wr here
m holding multiple WRs as we speak, thank you very much. 👸🏽
cunning urchin
"the student has surpassed the master"
Look. He might get a seat on the council, but I won't grant him the rank of master.
hearty elbow
He's been elected
cunning urchin
This is not a democracy.
lime jolt
it is now
proven osprey
lmao what's going on here
hearty elbow
Coup d'etat
proven osprey
You mean
lime jolt
We are overthrowing nyaanyaa and seating you as the master instead
proven osprey
Révolution
cunning urchin
lime jolt
oui oui
lime jolt
overthrow the queen and put the rightful master in her place
hearty elbow
Never again shall we be chewed on by the crocodiles of the bourgeoisie
cunning urchin
Don't worry. They won't chew. They'll swallow you whole.
lime jolt
also Astaos why are you awake rn
proven osprey
You're killing me Ledger
cunning urchin
Bots don't sleep.
lime jolt
Why does your "so called queen" remind me of pocohantas nyaanyaa?
proven osprey
also Astaos why are you awake rn<:dusa:522248771409543188>
Backseating Bright
Oh ok it's that time already
well
hearty elbow
Lol, is 3:30 "that time"?
proven osprey
minus one
cunning urchin
Why does your "so called queen" remind me of pocohantas nyaanyaa?
Let me think . . . because you have frog brains?
lime jolt
She's giving me pocohantas vibes
hearty elbow
Oh pff 2:30. That's casual time.
hearty elbow
"Colors of the Wind" was an allegory for death by crocodile digestion.
opal vortex
I think ultimately focusing on rarity + levels wasn't worth it. But I am kind of bad with the bow; especially with FO enabled. https://imgur.com/fnt5ni2
lime jolt
"Colors of the Wind" was an allegory for death by crocodile digestion.
My thoughts exactly
cunning urchin
That looks like a very good build.
High rarity and poms on your Cast are pretty much the goal with Hera.
gusty rapids
specifically poms too, crush shot doesnt scale too well with rarity
cunning urchin
I'd prioritize Ravenous Will + Snow Burst over Mirage Shot, though.
lime jolt
Rarity on crush shot doesn't really matter right?
gusty rapids
it kinda does but not rly
only 10 per rarity
whereas first pom is 54
so like
lol
lime jolt
yeah pom scaling of most casts are nutty
gusty rapids
personally ive started prioritizing mirage over snow burst if i see arty/pos in tart ngl
but that one is usually very player preference specific
opal vortex
I wish I would have went with demeter instead of artemis
lime jolt
For aspho?
opal vortex
I just think ice wine would have been better than putting aphro on my cast
lime jolt
Ice wine on hera and beo is really bad
opal vortex
how
lime jolt
adds a delay
hearty elbow
It adds a delay
opal vortex
mmm... ok
lime jolt
I had to sacrifice spelling to type faster
proven osprey
It adds a delay
cunning urchin
10-20 can be the difference between killing in one shot and not doing that. Also, it's base damage, so it benefits from any % bonus like Braid of Atlas.
cunning urchin
Depends on what your goals are.
gusty rapids
i cant imagine any goal where youd reset for crush shot rarity
unless the goal is like all purple boons
proven osprey
Well
hearty elbow
Or wanting to quit the game from exasperation
gusty rapids
lol
proven osprey
We just have to look at damage and hp in tart to have our answer
since the poms will quickly flatten the rarity thing
cunning urchin
Flatten? What?
hearty elbow
I wish I would have went with demeter instead of artemis
You are basically correct here btw, but for Snow Burst, which is basically Ice Wine but works on every cast, is instant, is a T1 boon, and does real damage :3
proven osprey
I mean eliminate the disparity
gusty rapids
you really dont feel the difference after like 2 poms
so basically by late tart
it can definitely help w early to mid tart tho
opal vortex
I still find it hard to believe that the delay is THAT bad where it could outweigh +30% blast damage and all the other debuffs you can stack on festive fog. You could get zeus and get scintillating feast too. Sounds pretty good to me...
but I don't play at high heat shrug
hearty elbow
The other half of the issue with Ice Wine is Trippy Flare
Which, without Chaos extra casts, just doesn't do enough
proven osprey
yeah I mean ofc it'll be better mr frog
But if you speedrun you have enough things that make you reset
And I while I could see resetting for doom rarity
hearty elbow
Crush Shot + Snow Burst gives you consistent burst + AoE. It's not really a heat thing, it's just a baseline quality of interaction
proven osprey
I'd never do it with Hera since room rng is king anyway
gusty rapids
doom rarity is massive, crush shot rarity not as much
proven osprey
yeah
opal vortex
random question... how tf do I get skelly's useless trinkets? They're the last achievements I need
lime jolt
You'll get it
hearty elbow
Yeah, the 32 heat one was put there to punish the heat edgelords for our sins, by giving an extrinsic motivator for people to flood the discord with questions about optimal pact setups when they've just barely completed 16 for the first time 😦
lime jolt
wtf ledger
hearty elbow
Lol
lime jolt
smol brain dont understand big words
cunning urchin
This isn't #h1-high-heat-strategies. You have to be nice here.
proven osprey
lol
lime jolt
lmao
hearty elbow
Only Baj knows what the 4th statue looks like. He's holding out on us.
proven osprey
I keep telling you it's human skelly
opal vortex
After several runs I still can't get "charged volley" to show up
proven osprey
I've seen it in my dreams
cunning urchin
You can't get Charged Volley on Chiron or Rama.
lime jolt
lets hack baj
cunning urchin
And you can't get it if you already have Relentless Volley.
lime jolt
see for ourselves hmm
opal vortex
I know
opal vortex
I use Hera specifically to try and get it even though I think I like Rama better
cunning urchin
Blame @proven osprey.
cunning urchin
Was it outside of your calculations, bot?
proven osprey
I was expecting that answer though
cunning urchin
Predictable.
idle carbon
all day
lime jolt
Good lord
cunning urchin
You did what?
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
lime jolt
I can play for like a max of two hours a day before feeling tired lol
You’re a dedicated gamer Mr.Painkakke
proven osprey
I can play for like a max of two hours a day before feeling tired lol
same
hearty elbow
Bestia might have some competition for 50 lol
lime jolt
Bestia?
hearty elbow
As far as its reputation for carrying 50s
lime jolt
I should probably attempt beo 50 a bit more
But trying to blackmail zeus into giving me his attack with achilles is enough rn
hearty elbow
Heads up if you have a recording with death, that's the 4th fastest Beo clear at 50 heat
Just a hair behind mine.
cunning urchin
Back when I did 52, we still had to work hard with Beowulf. 
hearty elbow
I can't even parse that sentence Nyaanyaa lmao
idle carbon
Heads up if you have a recording with death, that's the 4th fastest Beo clear at...
me ?
hearty elbow
Yes
idle carbon
oh
lime jolt
Yeah that’s a pretty fast time
idle carbon
nah I didn't
lime jolt
You weren’t recording or you didn’t have a death?
idle carbon
I wasn't recording
idle carbon
one of those days I'll somehow get a wr
and won't be able to take it
cuz of no proof
hearty elbow
10th
idle carbon
it was 2 sack
lime jolt
Easiest way to do it
cunning urchin
one of those days I'll somehow get a wr
Don't feel bad. That will never happen.
idle carbon
she's right tho
cunning urchin
Just cheering them up.
lime jolt
It’s less “proof” that you did it and more proving that it was unseeded
Victory screen already shows proof
proven osprey
Why would you seed Hestia?
cunning urchin
I mean, you can mod every enemy to have 1 HP and show a victory screen lol.
idle carbon
ap2
proven osprey
but Hestia does not care
lime jolt
Shackle gaming
idle carbon
but one second
I kept giving up instead of dying, as usual
that's also seeding right
kinda
lol
proven osprey
yeah
lime jolt
Yeah
lime jolt
My hestia 51 was the most lucky unseeded ap2 luck I’ve ever had
idle carbon
how dad acts all mighty and all
mocks you
when you die
I don't wanna hear that bs
cunning urchin
This conversation should really move to #h1-high-heat-strategies, though.
lime jolt
Both deadly strike and Hunter dash in tart👀
idle carbon
wait we aren't in high heat ?
cunning urchin
No lol.
lime jolt
No lol
hearty elbow
It's fine. There was a long convo (probably you were part of it) in this channel about 50 beo while pseudo was doing meme runs in high-heat
It's a flexible space.
idle carbon
I thought I typed "I did it" in high heat
proven osprey
I can open a portal if needed
idle carbon
I was very excited
idle carbon
when I got to hades 3rd phase and got his hp bar to half
I could feel my hands shaking
idle carbon
cunning urchin
Well, you have no will of your own, so yeah.
proven osprey
My beo clear was really chill so I don't really know what you mean
hearty elbow
beep boop
proven osprey
But I can imagine
idle carbon
other time I felt very excited was my first 32 I think
hearty elbow
Beo mega chill. It's astonishing how little salt I felt over this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDkMUaANKws
idle carbon
oh also hestia 50
proven osprey
Well, you have no will of your own, so yeah.
I do I do
lime jolt
My beo clear was really chill so I don't really know what you mean
Excuse me
cunning urchin
Beo mega chill. It's astonishing how little salt I felt over this: https://www....
Did you know you have a shield that can block?
hearty elbow
Only kind of. It's Charged Shot lmao
cunning urchin
Well, next shot would have killed. That'd have solved it, too.
hearty elbow
That helps explain the time. Beo mains are looking to harvest the op-ness of that hammer without dying to superdad lol.
solid sable
does nooone use beowulf and lucier aspects?
lime jolt
Dude beating superdad with charged shot for your first beo 50 is mad impressive
hearty elbow
Lmao, we've been talking about Beo for the last eternity, so the first one def isn't true.
idle carbon
does nooone use beowulf and lucier aspects?
beo is very popular, can't say the same about luci
solid sable
beo is very popular, can't say the same about luci
i heard beo is really popular for high heat
ive only just got into hades
hearty elbow
It is. It also weirdly attracts a lot of people to just hard main it. Which is weird for a game like Hades
solid sable
what do u think i should put on for my first 10heat
ive never reallyliked beowulf
feels slow
idle carbon
dw I don't really like it either
hearty elbow
Neither does Astaos lmao
cunning urchin
Beowulf is the second most popular aspect on the high heat leaderboard.
solid sable
what's the first?
cunning urchin
Eris.
hearty elbow
feels slow
Most likely the reason for this is that you're not dash striking before charging, and you're charging for too long
solid sable
Most likely the reason for this is that you're not dash striking before charging...
maybe
but what should i use for my first 10 heat
build etc aspect
hearty elbow
Whatever your heart desires
idle carbon
you can't go wrong with chiron
hearty elbow
There literally is not a right answer to this question lol. It's entirely dependent on your own preferences
solid sable
eris rocket bomb is fun
cunning urchin
First 10 Heats are great for just experimenting and figuring out what you like, getting experience with all the different pacts, leveling keepsakes, etc.
First 20 are, in fact.
hearty elbow
The concept of optimal really doesn't start to make sense until like... something past 30 maybe?
solid sable
i probably shouldnt turn on hightened security
idle carbon
don't turn on hs before 40 yea
cunning urchin
I like Heightened Security a lot. Actually forces you to respect traps.
proven osprey
The base damage should be higher imo yeah
hearty elbow
I actually agree with Nyaanyaa, as long as you intend to push heat into the future lol. Otherwise HS is pain and misery
lime jolt
Quite punishing however
hearty elbow
But it builds good habits going forward
solid sable
I like Heightened Security a lot. Actually forces you to respect traps.
i play on kbm so my movement is eh at best
keep dashing into them
cunning urchin
Some of the very best Hades players play on KBM.
proven osprey
Don't worry
proven osprey
I know a very good player on kbm
proven osprey
Always dash into traps
solid sable
its literally impossible
idle carbon
I'm on kbm
cunning urchin
I use all the aspects.
solid sable
zag spear looks like the worst aspect 
hearty elbow
It's definitely in the conversation
idle carbon
but pretty much all the aspects are used
solid sable
majority seems to avoid gilga
hmm im yet to unlock that
gusty rapids
its down there, but the one saving grace is that it can get flurry jab
hearty elbow
Even bad aspects are used because they're bad. To prove a point lmao
gusty rapids
which is like a top 3 hammer
gusty rapids
eh i think zag sword is worse
solid sable
what does it do?
hearty elbow
I still vote Zag Sword
solid sable
eh i think zag sword is worse
i got my first clear with zag sword >:(
gusty rapids
that just means ur good at gaming
hearty elbow
But yeah, Zag Sword, Spear, and Gilgamesh definitely make the holy trinity of poop
solid sable
that just means ur good at gaming
x
gusty rapids
had to carry zag sword of all things
solid sable
But yeah, Zag Sword, Spear, and Gilgamesh definitely make the holy trinity of po...
poor zag
cunning urchin
But Zag Sword has a good dash.
solid sable
eh i mean the buffs you get from zag u can get from Hermes anyway
funny how zag spear is bad but zag bow is 
cunning urchin
The point is Gilgamesh changes your dash.
solid sable
lemme search it up
hearty elbow
Zag sword isn't good because of its titan blood upgrades
solid sable
i maxed out zag sword
hearty elbow
Those are imaginary. It's better than Gilgamesh potentially because it doesn't have a poop dash lol
solid sable
well, all sword aspects, actually
hearty elbow
For the most part you're still going to be dash striking only with Zag sword so the bonuses are not ideal
gusty rapids
it makes flurry slash pretty funny though
cunning urchin
Cursed Slash carries a lot of runs for new players. It's not at all a bad pick.
It's bad for speed and arguably high heat.
lime jolt
@balmy star why did you anvil even though you already had charged skewer?
solid sable
Cursed Slash carries a lot of runs for new players. It's not at all a bad pick.
once i accidentally put cursed slash on arthur
balmy star
<@221066052635721728> why did you anvil even though you already had charged skew...
i said it was a story advancing run
hearty elbow
<@221066052635721728> why did you anvil even though you already had charged skew...
Charged Exploding Breaching stonks
balmy star
tfw 0 heat