h1-builds-and-combat

[pulsar jewel]

if you enter styx with even just 2 dice, you are always guaranteed to get a certain god

assuming a 4-god pool, which authority lets you pick every time

authority will let you get more boons from the god you want always

this is absolute fact

[turbid needle]

It doesn't guarantee you'll get what you want, though.

I've done exactly that and been given multiple exchanges and trash boons.

[coral cave]

This is what a close minded person would say ngl

[cunning urchin]

I'd have to agree with the premise of any particular Duo Boon being core to any of my builds to answer that, and I don't.

[pulsar jewel]

basically the thing i'm so getting from this is people don't know how to use the authority dice

you are wasting the dice on rooms with low expected return, and you're blaming it on the dice being bad

[coral cave]

Nah I think you're close minded

[pulsar jewel]

well, suit yourselves, i'm gonna keep getting the builds i want every single time

[coral cave]

Suit yourself, keep being close minded 🤷

[opal vortex]

I went for Ares legendary the entire time this time and ended up getting athena legendary, haha

Sold it...got an achievement. Pretty nice. haha

[tulip spade]

what was the achievement

[opal vortex]

I just want to complete that darn fate list

"Thanks, but no thanks"

[tulip spade]

Does the ares chaos sheild still hold up?

im dogwater at the game and just ||want the third skelly statue||, any tips?

[cunning urchin]

Check the first pin in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[pulsar jewel]

charming @cunning urchin

[slim lynx]

huh ??

[pulsar jewel]

ah sorry, checked the wrong channel's pins. this channel's first pin says "git gud"

my mistake

[fervent elbow]

The third skelly statue is a high heat thing

[slim lynx]

is rush delivery a global damage boost?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[slim lynx]

how did i not begin picking it up until now

i'm like 140 runs in

[cunning urchin]

You won our duel this time.

[turbid needle]

It was hard-fought, GG.

[cunning urchin]

I'll get you next time.

[opal vortex]

What do you generally wanna do with beowulf? Load casts and bullrush over and over?

[dusky drum]

ive heard loading casts during the rush is the strat

[opal vortex]

dionysus on cast good?

[dusky drum]

yes

try to get ice wine, scint feast, and take stygian and hope for bad news

[opal vortex]

it doesn't seem difficult to pick up your casts if you're dashing and they come out where you dash

[turbid needle]

I need to try Ice Wine more on Beowulf, there's a delay after the Dragon Rush that messes with me.

[opal vortex]

I honestly use stygian 99% of the time becasue I hate hunting my casts down

[turbid needle]

Maybe that was one of the Test Branch fixes.

[dusky drum]

with dio cast it leaves the cloud bit so itll take a sec hence stygian soul

[opal vortex]

oh ok

Thank you!

Charged shot on beowulf... how does that work?

[magic rivet]

Casts explode where the shot lands

[opal vortex]

I'm just not sure how that isn't basically turning aegis into a bow and arrow basically

basically basically... lol sorry im dumb

[turbid needle]

Well, you've still got your standard Attack and Special and everything.

[opal vortex]

Do ya'll have lvl 3 keepsake and max relationship bar with everyone and completed everything in the prophecy list?

I've been actively trying to do those things to the point of taking sub-optimal builds just to tick boxes and I still feel like I am far away from completing them all. I am on run 50-something

[fervent elbow]

I've got everything on max level before doing tryhard stuff

[limber cloak]

I only maxxed out god keepsakes, acorn and skelly tooth since those are the ones that i use the most

as for maxing relationships, i did that for practically everyone because of story

[lime jolt]

This is the strat

[dusky drum]

nice my brain isnt that small :3

[lime jolt]

But loading while rushing makes beo way smoother

[heady peak]

Do Duo boons give twice the benefit on Family Favorite?

[slim lynx]

you get the damage boosts per each individual god whose boons you already have

not per each boon you have

[heady peak]

Well, duo boons belong to two gods. family favorite gives +x% damage increase for each god who's boon you have.

[boreal prism]

If you have the duo then you already have boons for both of those gods

[heady peak]

It's possible to obtain a duo boon, sell the original boons that enabled it, then be left with just the duo

[boreal prism]

That's quite an edge case

[heady peak]

So the answer is, we don't know

[boreal prism]

Try it and let us know

[coral cave]

id say you could probably do that

although im not sure why you would

[dusky drum]

Yea since the reqs are ther to be used with the duo

I only got rid of a req on a duo for a joke

[coral cave]

unless its for meme purposes

[dusky drum]

And that I hate dem cast

[heady peak]

No you get rid of it because you don't want to waste POMs, and you obtain the DUO because it randomly shows up and you want to sell it for more money than the other options

[coral cave]

[dusky drum]

This tbh

[boreal prism]

There's a few duo boons with no god specific synergy

[heady peak]

Let me know once you got more to contribute besides ridicule

[raw junco]

And there's Artemis, with all Duos being awesome

[dusky drum]

All duos have pre reqs for a reason, there would be no need to sell the reqs but if you wanna do it we can’t stop you

[boreal prism]

It's an interesting question, come on

[coral cave]

😂

[dusky drum]

Theoretically it would apply ff but that would require selling everything related to the gods to even test it

Which would throw a run

And also need luck for purge pools

A lot of effort for a dead run

[heady peak]

If I use two gods, get their duo, then sell all boons from the first god, does the duo still enable family favorite on their behalf?

[raw junco]

For Mirage Shot, you can sell everything not being the cast and still work ok

[dusky drum]

Idk, but feel free to try

[boreal prism]

I mean you could test it using mods i guess

[raw junco]

And Mirage Shot does not require casts from Artemis or Poseidon necessarily

[boreal prism]

Dio+Poseidon Duo is exclusive access, which improves quality of boons... there's no synergy there at all

[dusky drum]

Same with aphy pos

[raw junco]

So you can really sell Art and Poseidon and not affect your Duo at all

[raw junco]

True

[heady peak]

Well, I got some big brain people questioning my intelligence when all they got is "try it yourself I don't know"

[dusky drum]

That’s not.. .-.

We don’t know since no one has done it I don’t think and it’s super specific

Feel free to try it but it won’t be tech or anything

Just an oversight or cool acknowledgment from the devs

[boreal prism]

I'm curious about what the answer is and if I had the time I would find out myself

[dusky drum]

Yea I think it’s a cool question but it has no real application

[heady peak]

It has a real application: When I obtain a duo, sell my original boons that enabled the duo, then I am faced with the question "does this duo give me 5% damage from FF or can I sell it for 450g since it does nothing?"

[dusky drum]

But why would you sell the reqs and would 5% really make a difference

It’s super specific that I doubt anyone has ran into or done

[heady peak]

Because I don't want to waste random POMs going to those enables, have you even read anything I wrote at all?

[dusky drum]

Then why take the boons in the first place

And why Pom them specifically

[heady peak]

Because sometimes the player is forced to take a boon

[dusky drum]

Also you have to think how late in the run this would be

It would really disrupt what you had going on

[heady peak]

I think this is a waste of time since you can't even conceive a hypothetical scenario after I explained it twice

[dusky drum]

I literally said “theoretically yes”

But I can’t give a yes or no

[raw junco]

I would say if your doing a Demeter cast build for example, you can sell Art and Poseidon boons after getting Mirage Shot and Crystal Clarity to focus Poms on cast

Also extra money

[dusky drum]

Still very specific

[raw junco]

That's the only application I would use

Yes, completely specific

A lot of RNG as well

[dusky drum]

And bad tbh since you’re sacrificing boons for a few percent or base buffs

I never use purge fountains unless it’s uc or I took something that ruined my build

[raw junco]

I use it for Pom builds

[dusky drum]

Because getting rid of boons otherwise is a sub par choice unless you need the money

[heady peak]

I'm doing luficer rail, got ares attack, tried to get curse of longing going, didn't find a good way to apply aphrodite weakness, got rid of aphro, now I wonder if curse of longing enables 5% FF on behalf of aphro

[raw junco]

For example, Ares Doom stacks or Aphro Cast

[dusky drum]

But you still have curse of longing ??

You can check

Hover/move onto the mirror things at the top of the boon menu, it shows the current buff from it

And tbh that’s a ps build ;w;

[heady peak]

Thanks, I'll do that next time and post the findings here. What is ps?

[dusky drum]

Privileged status

The “when 2 curses are on the enemy deal 40% more damage”

[heady peak]

What if I forgot to turn on privileged status in the mirror?

[dusky drum]

Oh well :/ you can’t mess with mirror after you start so you either take ff or ps

Just for future reference

[heady peak]

You don't say

[dusky drum]

I feel like ares on rail with curse of longing is a better ps build

[dusky drum]

Idk what you expected me to say

You forgot to turn it on

Oh well

It’s not like you can change it mid run

[heady peak]

All I care for you to say is factual evidence or silence

[raw junco]

Does Curse of Longing keep building with Dire Misfortune?

You can keep stacking that 50% dmg for example

[dusky drum]

No, how it works is that it applies the base and goes off of that. I.e. hitting with 110, and curse of longing procks and you hit again, it still only deals 110

If that makes any sense

Since it reapplies the base

Not stack it

And with dire misfortune it works like that

[raw junco]

That's what I meant

[dusky drum]

It stacks on the refresh

[raw junco]

Let's say you deal 100 base

Your Dire Misfortune deals 10 per stack

You hit 11 times before Longing hits

So now your Doom dmg is at 210

[limber cloak]

CoL doesnt have a delay does it

[dusky drum]

Longing goes off of the 210 so the longing hit will be 105 now

[raw junco]

Right

[limber cloak]

i guess that'd work if you apply weak later

[raw junco]

So you keep stacking with Dire 11 more hits

[limber cloak]

so like youre using dem fists and you apply weak through special

[raw junco]

So now you would be at 215

[limber cloak]

stacking dire that high would be hard without impending

even then, it would be hard

11 hits take a long time, the doom would proc before that

[dusky drum]

No because when you hit on them with col refreshes to the base of 100

[raw junco]

Possible with Rail and infinite ammo

[limber cloak]

no

well, with lucy maybe

[raw junco]

Yeah

[limber cloak]

but not with normal rail

[raw junco]

I meant Lucy

[dusky drum]

So it would loop to 210 again

[raw junco]

That sucks haha

[dusky drum]

It’s balanced lol

Otherwise it’d be busted

It’s a ps duo anyway

[raw junco]

There are harder hitters haha

[limber cloak]

for example

merciful end

[dusky drum]

Hehe ME

ME is a trip

Especially on Gilgamesh

[raw junco]

Merciful End with Zeus Disk and Athena's special is crazy strong

[dusky drum]

I beat champions in 25 seconds :3

[dusky drum]

I couldn’t get that sadly ;w;

[raw junco]

Highly recommend you try again haha

[limber cloak]

the heroes fight "wr" is with lightning phalanx of all things

since it bounces between them

lp+mirage is pretty insane

[dusky drum]

Nice

[limber cloak]

7 second heroes fight

[raw junco]

Damn, really nice

[dusky drum]

Yea I had a build like that once(not the time but similar build)

It was a perfect cast build

Got parting, mirage, fully loaded, it was great

[raw junco]

Crazy haha

[dusky drum]

I also got flurry cast

[limber cloak]

https://clips.twitch.tv/OriginalOutstandingSnakeMau5-vI0w8wR29YhxquNq

[dusky drum]

It was great

[limber cloak]

heres the link to the clip

[dusky drum]

Alecto literally couldn’t attack :3

[raw junco]

Holy sht man

Send a SS of that build

[limber cloak]

theres a boon menu open at the end of the clip

id have to scrub the vod for the build

you can judge by the boon menu open what boons he has

[raw junco]

I don't speak icons haha someone from ancient Egypt might though

I really want to know what's powering that cast

[limber cloak]

lightning phalanx

[raw junco]

That dmg is abnormal

[limber cloak]

its athena cast

with lp

lp is a duo between athena and zeus, makes your cast bounce around

[raw junco]

I know the Duo

[dusky drum]

Lol Ik boons by picture

[raw junco]

But that was hitting 1400dmg per hit

[raw junco]

That's crazy hahaha I can't even understand them when playing{

[limber cloak]

lp, flurry cast, and arty legendary

thats the main stuff, apart from pp and amazing crit chances there lol

[raw junco]

That's it?

[dusky drum]

And I think cast gets a buff from bouncing

[raw junco]

That hits 1490 per hit?

[dusky drum]

And is a chunky cast

[limber cloak]

plus theyre using poseidon sword

[dusky drum]

Yea so 50%

[limber cloak]

its not 1500 dmg per cast, rather with a lot of casts

they also have mirage

wait no

they dont

nvm

[raw junco]

I'm trying that build first thing in the morning

[limber cloak]

lightning phalanx is pretty strong yeah

[dusky drum]

Lol I got mirage in my lp run 😎

[limber cloak]

phalanx shot on its own is pretty great

esp with poseidon sword or hera bow

[raw junco]

You can get it on Hera? Nice

[dusky drum]

Achilles spear intensifies

[limber cloak]

oh yeah

i forgot about achilles

[raw junco]

I thought it would be like Beo

[dusky drum]

Yea you can put any cast on Hera

[limber cloak]

its pretty great on achilles too lol

on beo it doesnt work that well

[dusky drum]

And it acts the same

[raw junco]

You can't get the boon on Beo

[limber cloak]

well except for dem and ares

[dusky drum]

Ares acts the same

I used ares

[limber cloak]

its much shorter duration

[dusky drum]

And it acted like the normal cast

[limber cloak]

and it stays around one enemy

[dusky drum]

For beo yea but I think it’s still slicing shot not flare

Could be wrong tho

Haven’t played in a while

[raw junco]

Playing Beo I only know Poseidon and Dio casts

Nothing else seems to work for me

[thick latch]

Hunters mark can affect doom right? I could have sworn it does but i just heard someone a lot better than me at the game say it doesnt so now i am doubting myself

[raw junco]

Yes

[dusky drum]

It should since it’s a global crit rate

[thick latch]

Yeah thats what i thought

[raw junco]

Crits do not apply only to lightning

[thick latch]

No it does now for lightning too

[dusky drum]

Pp and hm are global crit rates

[raw junco]

When did that happen?

[thick latch]

Patched lightning in feb

[dusky drum]

Yeeaa I’ve crit with lightning

[raw junco]

Oooooh

I really need to start reading patch notes hahaha

[thick latch]

As if pressure points wasnt already my favorite boon

[dusky drum]

God eroga I hate how accurate that pfp is

[thick latch]

LMAO

[sour temple]

Criticals can affect summons too

I once killed took half of Hades's second health with Thanatos and Pressure Points

pretty lucky shot

[limber cloak]

only than summon can crit iirc

not the other ones

[idle carbon]

would blown kiss work with hera ?

nvm it doesn't

[cunning urchin]

Blown Kiss is good on Hera. The AOE gets a lot better.

[slim lynx]

yeah the range is enough reason to take it

[idle carbon]

okay I suck with this aspect

I can't finish 32 with it

oh well

[cunning urchin]

Also because of its AOE, Blown Kiss will often hit a lot more enemies than the one you shot at, and all of them will take the extra first-hit damage of your Cast.

I did Hera 32 Heat just today if you want to watch it.

Might give you some good ideas for what to do with it and what to look for.

#self-promotion message

[idle carbon]

okay

[shy carbon]

Idk if this is the place to ask, but out of curiosity with Ares' boons, does dire misfortune benefit from curse of longing's repeated activation, or does it only trigger from reapplying doom normally through attacks and such?

[hollow wraith]

I need a good tank build. Like damage resist / deflect / weak

[strange lark]

there is not much for that

the only thing i can think of is hidden sword aspect with aphro attack

[hollow wraith]

Yeah it's mixed bag really. There's a few damage resist boons and weak is sort of damage mitigation but not much synergy

I've got a good deflect build going now but I didn't find many of the damage resist % boons. Just my 12 sec invincible god gauge that recharges quick

[strange lark]

you shouldnt aim to get a tank build, just learn to dodge

[hollow wraith]

I mean true but I like the security

[strange lark]

bruh

[honest wing]

what keepsake do you guys take when yall have the two gods AND their duo boons all with you in tartarus only

[hollow wraith]

can you only have one duo?

[strange lark]

you can have many

i have seen people with 6 duos

[worldly pier]

You could use an AFK build: get Vengeful Mood and stack revenge boons (the best are Ares/Zeus and Aphrodite).
Get a lot of HP, pom your revenge boons, use a Shield aspect for more safety

[half crater]

another god if there’s something else you can slot into your build, acorn, hourglass, sigil

those are the main ones

[strange lark]

i will usually pick ||pom blossom||

[honest wing]

right

[strange lark]

and if i am doing high heat i will switch to acorn in elysium

[turbid needle]

im always going for purse

[half crater]

purse is also decent

[lime jolt]

I normally go purse if I don’t have money

It’s just a free boon

[jovial fulcrum]

Im usually a greedy boy and take a third god keepsake to Elysium, if i have a decent chance of another duo and i'm not dying

[tacit glade]

Okay

This game is frustrating

Any tips for varatha hades aspect builds

[lime jolt]

Serrated point

Exploding launcher

[hollow wraith]

Damn I got a cool build. Doom stacks with rapid attack. But I took too much damage from heat challenges so I'mma die soon

[honest wing]

what are some zeus shield builds other than lightning

[turbid needle]

Best build for fists u guys think?

I was trying to do the Ares/Athena combo but i can't ever get both of those gods lol

just force them both

also I like athena special on the shieldn

everyone keeps telling me that but ive tried it and for wahtever dumb reason im not getting them

I was told to try Ares attack, Athena special and dash

yes?

[silver summit]

that's the best way to ME

[silver summit]

you know what "force them both" mean..?

[turbid needle]

the keepsakes

[silver summit]

yes

if you do that there's no way that you don't get them-

[turbid needle]

yea, not working. I'll get Ares, then switch the kepsake and i dont ever get the other god

[silver summit]

nah

you probbaly just miss it

sometimes there's 3 paths in asphodel

[turbid needle]

idk what ur doing to never see athena if u pick her keepsake

[silver summit]

^

[turbid needle]

are you skipping too many rooms?

what u mean skipping rooms?

[lime jolt]

Free rooms etc

[turbid needle]

see, like for example; I have the Ares keepsake but just got a different god at start

[lime jolt]

That shouldn’t happen

In tartarus

[turbid needle]

I got the SS to show it tho

even if you get offered a diff god it should be guarenteed on this floor at least

[lime jolt]

But in other biomes the god will show up guaranteed at the mid boss

[turbid needle]

Shout out to Aspect of Eris for being totally broken

https://streamable.com/5gozq9

Probably the best rng I've ever had

Can't seem to post a pic of the build, but it was ridic. Legendary Eris, Heroic Artemis Aid and Lightning Strike (lvl 3), Static Discharge (lvl 3) and Hunting Blades

[serene zealot]

I was about to ask if you had Hunting Blades, nice

[turbid needle]

Yeah, they're op man - love the blades

[serene zealot]

Ikr

[turbid needle]

zzzzzzzzzz

[silver summit]

zzz?

[turbid needle]

still have yet to see ares and athena in any escape attempt

[silver summit]

use keepsakes and look at all exits before taking any

[worldly pier]

Could you explain your issue more extensively, or make a run video, so that we can point what the issue is ? You can get Ares+Athena before end Asphodel 99% of the case

[silver summit]

especially with keepsakes for both

but yeah i guess a video would be good

[turbid needle]

i dont know what else there is to explain, ive alrdy shown screenshots and multiple people tell me that it shouldn't be working the way it does

like, ill have the Ares or athena keepsake but ill get Hermes as the very first boon on a run

[silver summit]

hermes is special

that doesn't mean the keepsake deactivates after you get hermes

he even comments on him being here faster than whatever sibling or uncle or dad of his you were supposed to see first

it's intended

[turbid needle]

yeah you'll have a chance to see hermes first

like several people said its still guarenteed to see the god you're forcing on that floor

[silver summit]

it has he "1" countdown on it still

[dusky drum]

Yea you get 2 hermes boons a run I believe

And they don’t mess with priority

He even has dialogue on who’s gonna show up sometimes :3

[silver summit]

i said that i don't think it's always gonna be 2 though? at least not forcefully? not sure

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, I've ended a lot of runs with only 1 natural Hermes, if I elect not to take him enough times

[finite iris]

hermes as the very first boon? Like you start the escape attempt and the first boon before any monster spawns is a hermes one? I‘ve never seen that. I thought natural Hermes can appear earliest in asphodel. You can only get hermes boons in tartarus by purchasing them at charon‘s shop no?

[strange lark]

that is scripted

part of the game

[abstract raven]

@strange lark i thought explosive shot would be better with rama than other aspects cause rama is a slow-ish nuke anyway and the aoe makes it more efficient lol

[strange lark]

nah

[abstract raven]

(sorry for mentioning i dont wanna clutter the boast ch)

[strange lark]

it just makes it slower

nah its cool

[coral cave]

Explosvie rama is pretty good tho

I like it quite a bit

[abstract raven]

well yeah it was slow as hell but when it hit it hit so good

just gotta time your charges i think

[jovial fulcrum]

explosive rama sounds like it takes ten million years to draw

[abstract raven]

more like ten thousand ngl

[serene zealot]

Explosive Rama becomes a melee weapon lol

Especially with triple shot

[abstract raven]

yeah i got triple in elysium

before that i was just getting far away

to charge in peace

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur, Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike or Passion Dash, swap to the Owl Pendant in Asphodel.

[nocturne raven]

So.. I just started using Exagryph, Eris aspect.

Definitely will have to adapt to the playstyle. It is so awkward for me.

Lost a death defiance in Asphodel, that almost never happens.

[serene zealot]

What do you find awkward exactly, provided you can put it into words

[nocturne raven]

The attack feels like it does no damage at all even when powered by a boon, and I'm not really noticing a difference at all when absorbing the special blast.

It takes me about as long to kill a single enemy as it does for me to clear an entire chamber with Chiron bow.

[turbid needle]

is it like lv1

[nocturne raven]

Nope, maxed out.

[serene zealot]

That's more an issue with the rail as a whole, each attack is fairly weak.

[turbid needle]

dunno then it feels pretty strong to me

[serene zealot]

You want to use the rail like you do the fists, constant attacks to rack up damage, instead of steady stronger attacks like the bow.

[turbid needle]

put zeus attack on and it should rip through everything

[serene zealot]

Keep in mind the special bonus also affects your cast, maybe try using that as well?

[strange lark]

then you are just used to insane amounts of damage

you cant tell the difference

[nocturne raven]

Nah, the damage output difference is pretty noticeable to me.

[serene zealot]

What boons have you tried on the rail's attack though?

[strange lark]

try zeus

the damage boost also applies to lightning damage

[nocturne raven]

Poseidon's. I'll try Zeus, many bow runs have kind of led to me disregarding Zeus.

[serene zealot]

Ah, that's why

[strange lark]

yeah

zeus is op with eris

[serene zealot]

% increases aren't going to be as notable with a smaller base number to work with

[strange lark]

40 damage per lightning

with a blue boon lvl 1

[serene zealot]

Yeah, I'd go Zeus or Dio (if you get his duo with Ares to make hangover damage faster)

[turbid needle]

poseidon attack is pretty meh in my experience unless u go for seastorm duo

[pale rivet]

Poseidon attack is the words in the game for sure lmao

[serene zealot]

It's not bad but that knockback isn't always helpful

[strange lark]

yeah

its fine

[nocturne raven]

Fair enough. Guess I'm just used to bow strats, what I get for not experimenting much.

[serene zealot]

Which is fair

[opal lodge]

its pretty terrible

[serene zealot]

You have to build differently for each weapon

[opal lodge]

poseidon attack has the worst pom scaling of maybe any boon in the game

[cunning urchin]

Eris has the highest DPS in the game by far with the right build.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

What you'll want from Poseidon is Tidal Dash.

[strange lark]

tidal dash is epic

[cunning urchin]

It can also be common, rare, or heroic.

[strange lark]

no

tidal dash is epic

[lyric obsidian]

tru

[mighty obsidian]

Tidal dash is my favorite boon

[slim lynx]

tidal dash with sea storm 😩

[cunning urchin]

Sea Storm is alright. Give me Breaking Wave.

[slim lynx]

second wave is where it's at 👌

[cunning urchin]

Second Wave has legit hurt my DPS before.

[slim lynx]

i wonder how

it couldn't possibly be because of second wave pushing enemies just a tiny bit too far away

[silver summit]

no, no, that would make no sense, spammy, use some brains!

[worldly pier]

Second Wave is the only Legendary boon that actually hurts your DPS, so it deserves a special space

[cunning urchin]

I think it's very nice if you get it right before Styx.

[worldly pier]

Probably, but with breaking wave everything is dead before it can even proc ^_^

[jovial fulcrum]

It's nice with sea storm

[cunning urchin]

Not with CP2 etc.

[willow haven]

i live for nyaa's monthly challenges

[silver summit]

can't waitfor april fools challenge

[dusky drum]

itll be like "run arthur with dio attack" or smth that doesnt work like that

[willow haven]

that'd be fun!

in fact i've only been booting hades up for the challenges

since i finished all the prophecies

only got fishes to unlock 😄

[jovial fulcrum]

pinball machine; chaos shield with only posiden boons

[willow haven]

YOO

SOUNDS FUN

[jovial fulcrum]

then do it

[spiral badge]

This sounds like it would be equally or more entertaining with zeus shield

Zagreus and his good pal, Flubber Frisbee

[willow haven]

it's 3 am and i knew i couldn't sleep without trying it

i've gotten so rusty at the game

[opal vortex]

is it good to get heart rend with gilgamesh?

[jovial fulcrum]

its very hard for Heart rend to ever be bad

for Gil, I think you'd want Passion Dash and Deadly Strike?

[opal vortex]

I was just going off this. shrug https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/kqdur7/hades_general_core_build_guide_all_weapons_v137/

[jovial fulcrum]

Guide seems weird

Some good stuff, some confusing stuff

[slim lynx]

i feel like a lot of "build" guides tend to be

well

very different from the stuff we get here

[jovial fulcrum]

the kicker for me is that it looks like it saying you shouldn't do ME on gilgamesh

[dusky drum]

do they?? i never bother to look at guides since ik what im doing

[dusky drum]

wut

[jovial fulcrum]

Yeah. It's got Zag fist, Talos and Demeter on one side, Gil on the other and between them is a } facing towards the first three

under the } is an outline of the boons you'd take for ME

[dusky drum]

but, ME is good on all of those

especially gilga for the extra dashes

[opal vortex]

lol when your only goal is to fulfill prophecies and level up keepsakes you end up with strange builds https://imgur.com/8f3DtK1

the thicc beam following me around was kinda fun sometimes

https://imgur.com/edwYieP

Did I accidentally do a "cast build"?

[slim lynx]

yeah, seems like it

lol

[opal vortex]

Literally my main goal was Artemis legendary to tick it off the list. And as many duo boons I have never had while I am at it

[dense basin]

Good luck - for me fully loaded is trolly - I got it either when I don't need it or when game is lost (because for example lost some DD and have too low hp)

It maybe due to requirement of having 2 of 3 specific boons, where most legendaries needs just one

[opal vortex]

Do I need to beat the game on heat 8 in order to get the epilogue?

[dusky drum]

no

heat is not a requirement for anything in the game besides skelly statues

[slim lynx]

and also upgrades lol

[sterile nebula]

I mean, technically you can get everything you could normally get through heat through the broker and through final shop?

But raising heat will guarantee 2 blood, a diamond, and an ambrosia... should you win

[woven ivy]

heat also makes the game more fresh imo

since you'll have to adapt to new challenges

[sterile nebula]

But also no, you don't need to go 8+, you could technically do all runs on 0 heat to get epilogue

Though you'll be a bit starved of boss resources

[woven ivy]

i mean yea

its just that it kinda gets boring if you do the same thing over and over again

[whole agate]

Can you have 2 boons from chaos buffing the same thing?

[gusty rapids]

yes

[whole agate]

I had 2x more DMG from backstabbing but the second one never appeared in the left bar

Even the victory screen had only 1 backstab boon

[glossy cargo]

Y'all, what are the odds that you get no Wells of Charon in Styx?

[balmy star]

question, when you get petrified/chained up is it space or Lclick that speeds up the recovery?

[hearty elbow]

Up to a point. I don't think you'll get free if you don't press anything at all, but I'm pretty sure there's a minimum amount of time you'll be petrifieid. Chained is a static duration debuff though

[balmy star]

interesting, ty

[thorny summit]

So I think I found peak op

You know the life leach hammer ability on the sword

I got athena’s aid to last super long so i was invincible for an entire run

I beat the last boss with full hp lol

Well close

Only died once

[thorny summit]

Also clicking and tapping any move button decreases the duration for being petrified

[thorny summit]

I feel like a weak chump for doing this but i farmed boss resources by clearing runs on each weapon 3 times. The damage control condition each time you tick it up is one heat level if you do it only so you can get 3 runs of boss resources on one weapon doing that

[sweet hornet]

achilles spear w/ athena attack, ares special, demeter cast, poseidon dash/call - does it make sense to use the zeus keepsake and replace a pick in asphodel for sea storm?

[opal lodge]

no

[sweet hornet]

the other options is either ME or laser build

[opal lodge]

youve stretched your pool already

and also replacements are only a 1/10 chance

[sweet hornet]

I have the option to purge ares special before asphodel

wait, laser build doesn't work either since I don't have artemis or aphrodite

[valid dagger]

Do you have a build in mind or just going with what pops up?

[sweet hornet]

I went with coin purse in tart, I don't have anything in mind

I can also just go pom blossom

is unshakable mettle worth keeping?

[cunning urchin]

Depends on what you're doing.

I'd sell it when speedrunning.

[sweet hornet]

why only when speedrunning?

[opal lodge]

you might need the coin

[sweet hornet]

ok, thanks

aw man, EM3 asterius is tough with the triple dash-strike spear's dash range reduction and no greatest reflex

[tribal grail]

I'm not sure if this is a known trick, but usually you won't be able to use ||Thanatos' companion on the Hades' boss fight||, ||But i found out that when Hades summons the few enemies you are able to use the companion and deal massive damage.||

[silver summit]

you can use than companion later anyways

[turbid needle]

zzzz i feel like I can't even progress anymore

[lime jolt]

Bcs you cant force the god?

[turbid needle]

No I actually fixed that with a verify game files thing.

Now its just bad rng I guess

[lime jolt]

Oh ok

[turbid needle]

ill tell u what tho, it's amazing how much more consistent my runs are now compared to before not being able to force a godf

[opal vortex]

whatutalkinbouwillis?

[turbid needle]

after i get the two boons I need for a duo how do I get the actual duo boon?

[valid dagger]

You need a boon from one of the 2 gods of said Duo

And they have a chance to offer it as long as its not a trial

[opal vortex]

oh my god... I thought FOR SURE 3000 darkness for fates persuasionx3 was the last one, but then it says 4000 for another rank...

[magic rivet]

It's still less darkness than the max mirror for the other option

[opal vortex]

I have 0 ranks on that one

[magic rivet]

You would only use it in very specific circumstances

E.g. meme runs

[turbid needle]

Are there any easy to get builds that can help me progress

this Ares/Athena fists thing is just not working for me

[jovial fulcrum]

Heart Rend is a nice ol' reliable

[turbid needle]

which is?

[jovial fulcrum]

Aphrodite and Artemis

The best part is that if you're building towards Heart Rend, your build doesn't live or die depending on if you get it

[turbid needle]

what boons for aphro and art do I get?

and what weapon

[jovial fulcrum]

it depends greatly on the aspect you're using

what weapon is your favorite, let's start there

[turbid needle]

fav weapon is definitely the fists

[jovial fulcrum]

Which version of fists?

[valid dagger]

You can do Aphro Zeus smoldering air for fists

[turbid needle]

I use talos right now

[jovial fulcrum]

Hmmm, for Talos you'd probably want Aphrodite Special and Artemis Attack for heart rend.

You want to apply weak with your first attack, and generally with Talos you're using magnetic cutter first to pull them in an get that sweet attack buff

But if I'm going, like, Demeter fist I try for Aphro Attack and Artemis Special. Apply weak and charge up the super special, then let it rip basically.

[serene zealot]

I'd also grab Aphrodite dash, then you can reapply weak by dash/dash attacking if the target is already marked by your special.

[jovial fulcrum]

ye

It always good to 'over apply' weak

even though it doesnt stack

[turbid needle]

zzz, proly just gonna stop playing honestly. After so many attemps and next to no progress this game is just getting boring for me

like a normal run for me is beat one of the sisters, maybe, then get to hydra and die

thats like 99.99% of my runs now

[lime jolt]

I'd suggest getting your first clear before you decide if the game is boring or not

[magic rivet]

If you don't have god mode turned on yet, that can help

[lime jolt]

Also how many attempts do you have @turbid needle ?

[turbid needle]

I've been do the spot where I ||fight my father|| one time. Since then, I can't even come close to beating the ||hydra|| 99% of the time

[turbid needle]

37

[silver summit]

what do you have on mirror?

also what weapon do you use, have you tried all weapons?

[turbid needle]

yes ive tried all weapons

[magic rivet]

Have you tried god mode?

[jovial fulcrum]

if you're struggling early on, I'd recommend using Shield. if you get overwhelmed you can usually just block for a moment

then bullrush out and put a relatively good distance between you and them

[magic rivet]

It may be an "easy" mode but there's no shame in using God Mode

[opal vortex]

Do god keepsakes increase the chances of seeing that god in styx?

[magic rivet]

Only if you haven't used the charge before

[opal vortex]

the charge?

So it only works once is that it?

[turbid needle]

yeah it only guarentees the god once

[opal vortex]

While going for legendary boons I have kept a god keepsake on for multiple biomes and I suspected it didn't do anything...

well there ya go

[turbid needle]

it increases boon rarity for that good as long as you hold it tho

[opal vortex]

So if you have not used the charge and you put it on for styx will they be in the tunnels or offered to buy?

[valid dagger]

Yes

[opal vortex]

both?

[valid dagger]

As far as I know they show up as a tunnel reward, not sure about the Shop part

[magic rivet]

Shop doesn't count for a charge

[valid dagger]

Yea

[magic rivet]

So no guarantee it'll be in the shop

[opal vortex]

Damn. I actually lost against Hades with 3 DD. Can't believe it....

[turbid needle]

My last Hades fight was a chill and hangover party, only lost the extra DD (out of 3) Charon’s well gave me.

[opal vortex]

I have not really came close to losing in a while so I was just surprised.

[turbid needle]

Hades fights always gave me mini heart attacks lol

Beat the mino, 1hp left. >.>

[opal vortex]

I killed Asterus with the bullrush charge attack on Aegis. I hoped it was an achievement. haha

[terse coral]

meh I just walked into hades spear for no reason -.-

never mash when using sword, ever.

[honest wing]

only mash when using sword

when you're using chiron with triple shot

if you hit someone with one of the spreading shots, does it tag them?

[serene zealot]

Only the center shot can mark a target

[opal vortex]

Is Poseidon cast good on beowulf?

sea storm...

might be fun

[queen cape]

@uncut mural Most of the companions do huge chunks of damage all at once, and are useful for wearing down midbosses and bosses. The Dusa companion is really just useful for clearing very difficult rooms if you need a little extra assistance. Can also be good for Erebus gates sometimes. It's not the "worst" one, just bad in the sense of "doing big damage"

[serene zealot]

It is from my experience

[queen cape]

Poseidon cast is fantastic on beowulf, but for some reason does not proc sea storm on the cast

[serene zealot]

Wait, it doesn't?

[queen cape]

nope

[opal vortex]

aw 😦

[serene zealot]

That's a bummer

[queen cape]

Poseidon cast is still good on beowulf because it has HUGE area of effect, and you're half way to mirage shot already

[serene zealot]

Good to know though

[opal vortex]

Seastorm is one of the last duo's I need for fated list

[uncut mural]

so its good if your in a pinch?

[queen cape]

yep! all of the companions are situational

[uncut mural]

neat

[queen cape]

dusa's isn't great at what it does, but it still does it

[queen cape]

Sea storm does unlock with flood flare though, so you can get it, it just won't work on the cast. However, you will get bolts on the attack, and bull rush of beowulf, since those all knock enemies back enough

it's a fun addition that's definitely worth picking up, but it's not better than mirage shot

[opal vortex]

Can you put curse of drowning on beowulf?

[serene zealot]

Yes

It does go off a short bit after the rush though

[opal vortex]

oh

[serene zealot]

You'll have to keep moving to hit enemies

[opal vortex]

I thought maybe you just sat there pulsing

after you load it into aegis

[serene zealot]

Nope

[opal vortex]

that would be kinda funny

[serene zealot]

It's fun to try out though

[queen cape]

but decidedly

not good

[serene zealot]

It's alright

Might be better with mirage shot, if they work together

[queen cape]

it's more that it's antithetical to normal beowulf play of point->shoot->boom i guess

the damage isn't terrible

[serene zealot]

True

Might be better on Poseidon for the extra cast damage? Or Achilles

[opal lodge]

they do not work together

cod and mirage

it is the biggest downside of cod imo

[gusty rapids]

wait

they don’t??

that’s so sad

[opal lodge]

no

its v sad

[gusty rapids]

wtf!!!!!

[serene zealot]

Rip

[dense basin]

I was wondering - what do you think are the best legendary boons and what are the worst?

I can't think of the bad one, but the best are IMO Zeus and Demeter ones 🙂

[jovial fulcrum]

Chaos Shroud in Styx

EM2 Champions feel like such a joke after playing with EM3 for so long

[proven osprey]

It will disappear

[jovial fulcrum]

I know, it's just funny not being able to see paths the first time

[proven osprey]

No, I mean there's no enshrouded styx

[jovial fulcrum]

Oh, huh yeah

[opal vortex]

Is the added critical chance from aspect of nemesis and artemis attack boon additive?

[jovial fulcrum]

It just expired.

[proven osprey]

yes

[opal vortex]

So I basically have 40% chance to crit after using special

that's pretty sweet

[proven osprey]

You'll get 45%

Yeah that's really good

[opal vortex]

it isn't fully leveled up

[proven osprey]

Get passion dash for heart rend, the double edge hammer and you're gaming

I see

Still powerful enough

[jovial fulcrum]

You could also just throw Heartbreak Strike on your Attack and Arty Dash, with nemesis

you'd need to take Arty Spec of Cast to get heart rend though

[opal vortex]

I took demeter keepsake and got her right away. Have not seen her since. I need the legendary for the fated list! ugh

[jovial fulcrum]

ikr

it took me almost ten runs to get Cold Fusion because Zeus decided he was only going to show up once in the entire run

[opal vortex]

you can't get legendaries or duos when doing trial of gods, right?

[gusty rapids]

you can get legendaries

but not duos

[opal vortex]

ok thanks

[gusty rapids]

yes

[misty fiber]

Any tips for getting to Hades with the Guan Yu aspect?

lol that seems to be the theme for a lot of builds

Ok thank you that definitely helps 🙂

[opal vortex]

Does everybody love hyper sprint as much as me?

Empowering flight + zeus shield = constant proc?

[static karma]

I mean hyper sprint is the best hermes boon besides greatest reflex

And I can see arguments for taking hyper sprint over common greatest reflex

[opal vortex]

Why do some enemies have a star near their healthbar and they seem to be way faster

Sorry, not the right chat

Nevermind, this is my first time playing with privileged status. I think it is showing that.

[nocturne raven]

Okay, so.. I take back what I said about Eris rail.

Had my first clear with it and even though I was technically taking my time I was only a minute off my fastest time.

Needed a Zeus-oriented build but once I had it.. Oh man.

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Eris is broken lol.

I've seen a lot of people get sub 10 IGT with Eris "by accident" when they were just trying out the build lol.

Or just crack their PB by several minutes easily.

[gusty rapids]

yep lol

happened to me a while back myself

[worldly pier]

Eris aint broken

Just stable and very good. Put your anger toward ME

[cunning urchin]

I sense a conflict of interest here.

[worldly pier]

My more painfull moment was realizing ME is better than Spread fire on Zag rail

[cunning urchin]

I've always disliked ME.

[willow haven]

ME works on other weapons too?

call me a pepega but i've never used it on anything except fists

[opal lodge]

ME is the current world record on nemesis, zag sword, and zag rail

[worldly pier]

It can work on everything that hits as fast as a dash

[opal lodge]

thanks to lili

LOL

[queen cape]

ME works on
rail
fists
spear
zeus shield (no dash needed)
sword (less on arthur, maybe just dont)

[serene zealot]

Could it possibly work on Hera with Athena cast?

You’d have to have the attack hit first and apply the doom

[worldly pier]

I'm not experienced at all on anything but rail, but the thing with ME is that you need to apply a lot of dooms and procs them fast with your dash

So I doubt a cast weapon can make good use of it

[silver summit]

it's a good questoin what hits first cast or attack-

eh it wouldn't be that great anyways

[serene zealot]

True but I’m still curious

[opal lodge]

it's like fine

pretty underwhelming imo

[serene zealot]

So the attack hits first?

[cunning urchin]

The reason ME is so strong on so many aspects is that you can just do Attack > Dash or even just Dash-Strike to immediately proc Doom with your Divine Dash. That doesn't really work on bow.

[serene zealot]

I’m aware of that, I just want to know if it’s possible, I don’t care about it being ideal or not.

[cunning urchin]

Attack hits first, Cast hits second.

[serene zealot]

Thank you

[turbid needle]

What is ME ?

[gusty rapids]

merciful end, the duo between ares and athena

[turbid needle]

ohh

Thank You

[opal vortex]

Is ME good enough that you'd pass up zeus on attack for it when using eris?

[turbid needle]

nah how do you even proc it fast enough on eris

[opal lodge]

dash

its like fine

zeus attack tidal dash is more reliable

[turbid needle]

ol reliable

[cunning urchin]

Just use alternating bullets of Curse of Agony and Divine Strike.

[opal vortex]

zeus attack tidal dash on eris?

[gusty rapids]

yes, lightning strike + tidal dash is the core of the most common eris build

[opal vortex]

what does tidal dash really give you?

access to seastorm?

[gusty rapids]

raw damage

[silver summit]

big damage, big aoe

[gusty rapids]

its the highest damaging dash in the game and scales very well with poms

stack eris's innate buff on that and the lightning from your attack and you already get good damage

not to mention poseidon has good tier 2's

[opal vortex]

if you're shooting people from a distance in theory you shouldn't be hitting them with dash very often. But hey I aint no expert at this game

[gusty rapids]

well if you're going for the zeus poseidon build on eris, you're honestly going to be operating mostly at a melee range

dashing into enemies for the damage

but yes, if you want to maintain your range and safety then this build probably isnt optimal

[opal vortex]

ok, cool

[cunning urchin]

You basically just go berserk lol.

Nothing can hit you because everything is dead.

[lime jolt]

Eris becomes a melee weapon in speedrunning

[static karma]

Died to meg twice in a row now for poseidon sword 32 attempts

[jovial fulcrum]

what does targetting system do with rocket bomb...?

like, how does it determine what to give the TS debuff to?

LOL

apparently it just debuffs everything that is in the direction you are facing

that's insane lol

[prisma radish]

Great for speed running, and gives you a chance to re load while still causing damage

[gray edge]

in the temple of styx there are usually boons offered for much miore than 150 and they also seem to be extra ✨ sparkly ✨
whats up with that?

[prisma radish]

✨Sparkle✨

[brittle mortar]

lol they just have increased rarity. It's worth it if you have the cash

plus

they're ✨ sparkly ✨

[gray edge]

woah i just tried a random run with 1st time on the aspect of poseidon
wanted to grab artemis dislodge boon and try out some cast build
instead i got a bunch of crit mods and had a special spam build

[brittle mortar]

lol I totally love that. serendidpy

[gray edge]

it went terrible at first but then i found the double nova deadalus at the beginning of elysium and ran into patroclus for 3x revive
that was such a comeback

[brittle mortar]

I wouldve loved to see you do that

[gray edge]

at this point thanks to hunters mark and that boon from hermes where your damage is increased by your bonus movement speed + the boon where dashes let you sprint let me reach some crazy crits

i think this was my fastest achilles fight aswell with reliable 900 dmg crits lul

funny enough
my ran became a lot more sustainable once i picked up divine dash 😛

as every run does 😛

[brittle mortar]

yoooo I love big numbers

that's why atry is my bai. big numbers

[brittle mortar]

facts

you ever got 1000dmg?

[gray edge]

on a regular hit
im not sure

maybe on a bow crit with power shot and explosive shot

with calls yes of course

[brittle mortar]

yes, that;s really fun to see

[gray edge]

aphro call is easy 3k dmg in one hit if you get that boon that gives bonus dmg after using ur call

i wish you could have seeds for your runs or store replays of some sort 😄

[brittle mortar]

oh yeah lol

but I guess that;s the whole point

there's always something else to try taht you're going to love

that's why I love that it takes a long time to get all the secret weapons

you get to spend time with everything. find out all the cool things you can do with things

and everyonce in a while, you come across a totally broken build

[gray edge]

yeah true ^^

im excited to find out how broken some combos can get 😄
ive had some stronk combos before but nothing absolutely crazy yet

[brittle mortar]

lol and some are just super fun

I had one recently where i got tons of god's revenge boons

and then the duo boon that activates your revenge boons automatically

and I was using fits, so I was already gettign up and personaly

that was so fun

just walk up to a whole group and they all get struck by lightning, get doom, weak, and poisoned

super fun

[gray edge]

sounds awesome 😄

first run on aspect of rama which i just unlocked lol
first boon
deadlus hammer with explosive shot

i am the artillery

849 damage on a power shot
with no other boons

imagine if i had picked the broken shackles keepsake

how does dash strike on a bow work?

is dashing into charging up registered as dash strike?

(even if i charge up for an eternity)

[jovial fulcrum]

dash strike on bow charges your shots faster

[gray edge]

ahh i see

[jovial fulcrum]

if you're using Rama, getting used to the timing is pretty important because the draw is so long otherwise

but the window is forgiving

[gray edge]

hehehe
long charging time...

i have explosive shot

but 850 dmg on a power shot without anything extra is very fun 😛

aphro didnt give me any attack mod for 3 boons in a row im going insane

[cunning urchin]

What boons did you take?

[gray edge]

from her or in general?

[cunning urchin]

She'll always offer at least one out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash until you've filled each of those slots. 10% chance for an exchange, 90% chance it's for one of the empty slots (or 100% if the other slots are all her own boons).

[gray edge]

attack and dash are still open

she keeps offering her dash but i dont want her dash xD

[cunning urchin]

So if you fill up Special, Cast, and Dash, you'll have a 90% chance to see her Attack.

Well, if you take her Dash, you'll almost definitely get her Attack next time.

[gray edge]

ah i see

aphro does have the highest raw multiplier on attack right?

(it always appeared to me to be this way)

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[gray edge]

neat 😎

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike can average a higher % mod depending on level, rarity, and additional bonus damage. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIW5HbOHISyth1SjJxlwA6Achu5iDk9hhFr3bwm6nFU/edit?usp=sharing

[gray edge]

okay i got sniper shot
this will be insane

[gray edge]

oh interesting 🤔

[boreal prism]

I cant read... which one better

[cunning urchin]

The answer is it depends lol.

[boreal prism]

:(

[gray edge]

i did it!
1010 dmg on a natural hit
no attack boon
no crit

only rama + 2x deadalus

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike starts out better and has better pom and rarity scaling.

But Deadly Strike is better when you have additional bonus damage from hammers, Boiling Blood, etc.

[gray edge]

bruh i ran into curse of longing before i ran into heartbreak

[lime jolt]

And hunters mark

[cunning urchin]

Likely.

[turbid needle]

aspect of hera is so fun

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

You can see more than 2. But you won't see any more once you've picked up 2.

So if you skip the hammer in the shop, you can still see 2 hammers in your run.

[jovial fulcrum]

you're very likely to see the hammer again, in fact

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but it's good if you want to get it early.

[jovial fulcrum]

the game tries very hard to make you end with 2 hammers

[surreal wasp]

very close to guaranteed i think

i think the game also tries to give you 2 hermes boons?

[jovial fulcrum]

The game will keep trying to offer you hammers until you have two

I've been offered three or something hammer rooms in elysium before, in a row, because I kept taking the other path

[surreal wasp]

lol

did you purposely avoid them to see how many repeats would happen

or were the other choices just rly godo

good

[jovial fulcrum]

I forget what aspect, but it was one that didn't care much about hammers.

Gilgamesh maybe

[slim lynx]

gilga totally wants rending claws though

lol

[jovial fulcrum]

Personally, the only hammer I ever seem to want on Gil is rolling knuckle

[slim lynx]

why rolling knuckle

dash-strike on gilga sucks

[jovial fulcrum]

Does it? Could have fooled me

[slim lynx]

it does 20 damage

[cunning urchin]

@queen cape can probably tell you details about what the odds are if you skip a hammer etc. and how exactly the game keeps trying to give you hammers until you have two.

[jovial fulcrum]

Eh? Rolling Knuckle is 60% more

[cunning urchin]

I think Rending Claws is just okay.

[slim lynx]

that's like +11 damage

you're getting tons more damage out of just not dashing

[cunning urchin]

Rending Claws is one of the better hammers for Gilgamesh, but that's just because Gilgamesh is bad tbh lol.

[slim lynx]

gilga dash-strike does 20 damage and people were just like "okay"

[cunning urchin]

Rolling Knuckle is also up there for hammers on Gilgamesh.

[jovial fulcrum]

+12 akshully
Dashing around with gilgamesh is so much fun

I can't take the +2 dash weapon and just not dash strike

[cunning urchin]

Both ME and Lightning Strike want Dash-Strike spam on Gilgamesh, so Rolling Knuckle actually does something for it.

[jovial fulcrum]

Idk, maybe I should value Gil hammers more. It just feels like they don't do quite as much as boons can do

There's no, like, OMG game changer hammer like there is for other aspects

[idle carbon]

hades is basically nothing without his adds

also why is poseidon aspect so bad

need build recommendation for this

[magic rivet]

It's good though

[idle carbon]

nah

it's the only aspect so far I'm struggling at 40 with

[magic rivet]

Any lodging cast is good with it

You struggle with Poseidon at 40 but not Nemesis?

[idle carbon]

nemesis was a breeze

[magic rivet]

Or even Zagreus Sword?

[idle carbon]

didn't try zag sword yet

maybe I should treat it as nemesis and just ignore the casts

[magic rivet]

Just time your casting and dislodging correctly

I know for aphrodite cast you can dash into the casting animation and remain invincible for the entirety of it

[limber cloak]

@idle carbon athena cast is great on poseidon

and works well at high heat since you get access to athena from the beginning

[idle carbon]

athena is guaranteed in tart ?

[turbid needle]

not naturally

[torn elk]

Any Lucifer aspect recommendations?

[boreal prism]

Lucifer hellfire is weird

[idle carbon]

yep, just succeeded with athena cast

[boreal prism]

Artemis special is good on all rails, including lucifer

But it's not very "cool"

[idle carbon]

tho I still prefer nemesis, cast builds are weird

[boreal prism]

If you get zeus special on lucifer, bombs will auto detonate when enemies get close

[idle carbon]

wait really

I'll try that

I really don't like lucifer but that could be good

[boreal prism]

Enemy gets close -> lightning strikes enemy -> bomb explodes

[idle carbon]

(tho the reload sound effect is great)

[boreal prism]

Poseidon special on lucifer is good for zone control but disappointing for damage

[idle carbon]

eternal chamber vs concentrated beam ?

[boreal prism]

I think that depends on playstyle

[idle carbon]

I personally prefer cb

[silver summit]

Eternal chambers for things that focus on damage that isn't from the rail itself (zeus attack, dio, ares)

That's how I see it

Oh hi cake

[boreal prism]

Hii

In some luci builds the attack is just a detonator for the special

In that case you really want piercing

[silver summit]

Triple bomb luci sounds fun

[boreal prism]

Triple bomb luci IS fun

[sweet hornet]

been working on yet another duo boon graphic - still missing some details, but want to put the concept out there

I'll need to figure out how best to include the special cases (other imcompatibilities besides ||beo|| cast, special reqs like static discharge or curse of vengeance)

https://i.imgur.com/csxZVjG.png

[silver summit]

Looks really nice

[woven karma]

took me a second to figure out how to read that graphic

but looks nice

[silver summit]

I love nice looking things lol

[sweet hornet]

thanks

[coral cave]

that is very visually satisfying

[boreal prism]

The secret to lucifer is that lucifer bombs detonate automatically if you have more than 3... so if you have triple bomb, then you can easily detonate your bombs without using your attack

[turbid needle]

What build should I try for aspect of Gilgamesh?

[magic rivet]

You can also dash into them if you have a dash boon

[silver summit]

yeah that' why i said it sounds fun

[turbid needle]

was going to ask anyone here that runs aspect of gilgamesh builds

[onyx latch]

can anyone give me a good bow and spear build?

[cloud vault]

For Gilga, Merciful End

You could also try doom special and go with just that if you pick up the unique hammer for it

It's a fun way to play

The idea is that you just Maim plus Doom everything. Merciful End is easier though

[prime heart]

what is a good Eris build?

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash > any % on Special.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[proven osprey]

Except poseidon for the special

Can be weird

[turbid needle]

Any good Arthur build?

[cloud vault]

Deadly strike, divine strike or heartbreak strike

All have their uses depending on heat

[turbid needle]

Ok

I find demeter's attack to be good too

Demeter is perfect for fists, I love her boons.

[prime heart]

the fist were hers after all

[turbid needle]

Wait, really?

Lemme check because I must have missed that detail.

[coral cave]

Yeah she has an aspect for the fists

[turbid needle]

Oh yes

I kinda skimmed the codex entries

The six weapons wielded by the original Olympians

[honest wing]

yes but can you actually imagine it

demeter going around just punching people

[turbid needle]

I can imagine

Poor Hyperion

Punching granny

[magic rivet]

Of the gods which do give boons out of the original 6, their boons do work pretty well with their respective aspects

[turbid needle]

Hades is the odd duck out because he doesn’t give any

[magic rivet]

Neither does Hera or Hestia

[turbid needle]

Yeah

[mystic ember]

Or Hephestus

[magic rivet]

Hephaestus doesn't have an aspect

[magic rivet]

Actually, he does give a call...

[turbid needle]

I heard his call is useful

As for Hephaestus, I can associate the hammer with him.

[mystic ember]

I'm still confused as to why they made a machine gun of all things, could've been a hammer, or two big daggers, or something like that. A machine gun just feels so out of place in the game

Although it is fun

[magic rivet]

Because it's funny

Also because it has a very different moveset from the others

[mystic ember]

I guess, it also is really good, but having to reload kinda sucks

I know it's just one button but it feels inconvenient

[magic rivet]

You just have to learn

You can remap it if it's too much trouble as it is

[mystic ember]

I'll check that out

Zeus is the best thing for attack on the rail right?

[coral cave]

Original discussion is in #h1-discussion btw

And yes

[magic rivet]

For Eris and Secret yes

[mystic ember]

Whats good one for the special tho? I haven't figured out a boon that stands out

[magic rivet]

Artemis

[cunning urchin]

Any % boon.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[mystic ember]

Huh

Thanks