h1-builds-and-combat

[chrome girder]

tight deadline

3

is hard to achieve

on chiron

[strange lark]

ok

"but not the minut"

[chrome girder]

my bad

[strange lark]

lmao its ok

[chrome girder]

lol

[magic rivet]

Wyd, one person did it, so clearly Chiron is now one of the fastest weapons in the game

[chrome girder]

damn

i use

dio

[strange lark]

dio is great on chiron

[chrome girder]

its good for bosses

[strange lark]

but try artemis special and aphro attack on chiron

probably the best chiron build

[limber cloak]

chiron is literally the 2nd fastest weapon in the game

[chrome girder]

okay ill try that

[limber cloak]

but then again, that takes a lot of practice

and skill

and luck

[chrome girder]

dio mightve just been slow

yeah i just started using it yesterday

im aiming for heat 32

[limber cloak]

what pacts are you using on 32 heat

[chrome girder]

i stopped at heat 20

[magic rivet]

Chiron is honestly one of my least favorite aspects, but I know that it's good

[chrome girder]

i didnt hit heat 32 yet

[limber cloak]

ah

ok

[chrome girder]

chiron is my second favorite

giglgamesh merciful end

is so much fun

[chrome girder]

so id want to attack more than use special?

[strange lark]

yes

wait

no

special

more

attack once

special 3 times

over and over again

[chrome girder]

oh okaty

[strange lark]

the targeting for the special lasts 3 specials

[chrome girder]

thats my patern anyways

patter*

pattern

dang so much typos today

[magic rivet]

If you have high enough special speed on Chiron it can last 4 specials

[chrome girder]

do i start with aphro or artemis

[strange lark]

artemis

[chrome girder]

thanks noted

[strange lark]

because artemis special is gonna be your main source of damage

[chrome girder]

oh okay

[magic rivet]

Aphro is purely for Heart rend

[lime jolt]

Because chiron doesn’t have good aoe

[dense basin]

I like to use Nemesis Sword if I have hammer in the first romm and when that hammer gives double edge. That guarantees quick cleans on Tartarus

[jovial fulcrum]

Could do Aphro attack, Dio Special and Ares w/e for Low Tol and Curse of Naus

[lime jolt]

And they didn’t have a special boon

[jovial fulcrum]

the only problem with that is that whenever i wanna do curse of Naus, i end up wanting dio call lol

[slim lynx]

does winter harvest still proc if i kill an enemy while they're above 10% hp?

[strange lark]

if you kill enemies they will explode at 10% health

also how tf do you kill an enemy above 10%

[slim lynx]

phat damage

and low enemy hp lol

[strange lark]

then they will explode

when you kill them

[jovial fulcrum]

its funny to me that winter harvest works on hades lol

[woven ivy]

winter harvest + meg + greater call made me skip entire 2nd phase of hades once lmao

i think it was arty call

[magic rivet]

Winter harvest probably has the coolest animations of any legendary

[woven ivy]

yea that ice scythe

i like

[tame zodiac]

If I get common boons for a core boon one more time I'm going to switch to God's Legacy

God's Pride + god's keepsake = all 3 common boons lmao

[lost sparrow]

i got my first zeus legendary

with only jolt boon

thanks game

[woven ivy]

why are you not using it in the first place

[chrome girder]

whats the best chiron build

i tried the crit build

and dio build

i think i like the dio build a little better

[dense basin]

Maybe it's just me, but the most popular weapon across all players is the bow 🙂

But that's just my observation

[woven ivy]

my go to build is aphro attack, arty special, heart rend

[serene zealot]

I wonder why

[serene zealot]

Have you tried going for sea storm (Poseidon/Zeus duo) on special? It's pretty fun and allows attack to be basically anything decent (Aphrodite and Artemis still the best options, but taking Ares, Athena, or Demeter wouldn't be bad options here if they showed up. I'd save Zeus for your dash though).

[chrome girder]

its easy to use

and requires skill to master

so its very balanced

the shield the sword and the lance

are so bad and clunky in my oponion

[strange lark]

lance?????

spear

[chrome girder]

spear

[strange lark]

bruh

[chrome girder]

lol

[strange lark]

how is spear clunky

[dense basin]

Spear he meant

[chrome girder]

i just dont like it

maybe i need to use it more

[serene zealot]

Yes, you do

I felt the same for a while

[dense basin]

For me sword is balanced - especially Arthur aspect

[serene zealot]

Every weapon is good tbh

[dense basin]

Somewhat easy to learn, little hard to master

[dense basin]

Exactly

[serene zealot]

The bow is probably just favored more because it's safer (range helps) and easier to use right away when compared to the rail/shield

[dense basin]

Just like Devil May Cry series

[fierce bronze]

arthur aspect is stupid fun

idk how viable it is on high heat but damn its so satisfying seeing triple digit damage before boons

[serene zealot]

Arthur hits so dang hard

[random bluff]

Soo I’ve gotten all the way to Hades with the gun a total of 3 times. What are the recommended boons and upgrades I should look out for

[serene zealot]

What aspect are you using?

[strange lark]

eris aspect, zeus attack, artemis special

cluster bomb and rocket

if you cant get those try to get flurry fire and targeting rocket thing

[random bluff]

As of now Artemis has been my go to

[woven ivy]

mfw you listed all my fave weapons

[random bluff]

I use Eris aspect but I foolishly put all my blood into the ammo one

[strange lark]

zag aspect is actually good

[random bluff]

Yeah but the damage on eris is insane

That with crits

[strange lark]

????????????????????????????????????

[random bluff]

I steamroll through runs

[strange lark]

what do you mean crits

[serene zealot]

Could also try for Dio attack with the Ares duo

[strange lark]

crit on attack or special

[random bluff]

Attack

[strange lark]

no

stop

zeus attack

artemis special

[magic rivet]

Poseidon Dash

[random bluff]

And for cast?

[strange lark]

nothing

you dont need a boon on everything

[random bluff]

Any God aids?

[serene zealot]

Take a cast boon if you need it for a duo

Otherwise no need

[strange lark]

poseidon is good

zeus is great

[random bluff]

I’ve only gotten duo once

[strange lark]

artemis

[random bluff]

Poseidon and Zeus

[magic rivet]

Poseidon cast can get you Sea Storm

[serene zealot]

Demeter, Artemis, and Aphrodite (charged) are good

[daring mango]

Just dont get ares aid

[magic rivet]

That's great on the dash

[strange lark]

just watch any speedrun and you will get the best build

and nobody talked about ||hades aid||

[slim lynx]

what are you opinions on the zag aspects?

imo only sword and spear are actually bad, all the other zag weapons are at least decent

[strange lark]

zag sword bad, zag spear bad, zag shield great, zag bow great, zag fist ok, zag rail great

[slim lynx]

shield and bow are pretty great because of how simple they are to use and the other aspects are different enough that playing them feels fresh, having an actually really aggressive playstyle with zag shield is fun and just spamming dash-strikes with bow and landing crits feels powerful

[cunning urchin]

Zag Fists > Zag Bow.

[slim lynx]

fists is a bit meh but it's still open to great builds outside of dodge chance

[magic rivet]

Zag Shield needs that one hammer right?

[strange lark]

what

which one

[magic rivet]

Attack hits twice

[slim lynx]

zag rail isn't good or bad, it's kinda meh but spread fire on zag rail though 😩

[strange lark]

oh

not really

it can still be good without that

[slim lynx]

pulverizing blow and dashing wallop are both super good on zag shield

and even without either of those it still has good damage output

[clever barn]

is spread fire on hestia rail bad?

[cunning urchin]

Pulverizing Blow, Dashing Wallop, and Charged Shot are all great.

[merry oxide]

is delta chamber any good on eris?

[strange lark]

if you get enough dashes it just acts like normal rail

[cunning urchin]

Delta Chamber is good, but you're really looking for Special hammers.

[merry oxide]

what are the best hammers then?

[strange lark]

cluster bomb and rocket

[cunning urchin]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[merry oxide]

rocket?

[slim lynx]

spread fire doesn't work with empowered shot so yeah it sucks

[fringe summit]

Cluster + Rocket is insane

[cunning urchin]

Give that a read.

[merry oxide]

doesn't rocket mean you can't absorb it easily

[clever barn]

yikes

[strange lark]

also targeting system is great

[slim lynx]

delta chamber is good on eris for because it has limited base ammo but i'd go with flurry fire for dps or seeking fire since i never seem to consistently land my shots

[cunning urchin]

You can, just fire your rockets from point-blank at any enemy or obstacle.

[honest wing]

seeking fire is always good for me too lmao

[strange lark]

seeking fire is a hammer that i always ignore

[slim lynx]

maybe if i wasn't so awful at aiming i wouldn't have to rely on seeking fire but here we are 🧍‍♂️

[fierce bronze]

dont controllers have autoaim

[slim lynx]

i'm on kbm

[fierce bronze]

or are you playing keyboard

[slim lynx]

smh

[fierce bronze]

rip

[lime jolt]

It’s better for absorbing

You get it instantly

[magic rivet]

Rockets are much faster

You just stand right beside the enemy and special point blank

[lime jolt]

^^^

[chrome girder]

why is the eres

so good for speedruns?

[turbid needle]

big dmg

[chrome girder]

how good is it for high heats?

[turbid needle]

its nice

[cunning urchin]

Top tier for high heat.

[chrome girder]

whats the better weapons at high heats

[somber drum]

There's one particular hammer combo only for the rail that is likely far and away the fastest way to clear rooms.

[cunning urchin]

Like top 3 or top 4 minimum.

[cunning urchin]

Hestia, Eris, Rama, Beowulf.

Zeus.

[chrome girder]

whats the rama build?

used high heats

[cunning urchin]

Shackle or Deadly Strike and whatever else you get, pretty much.

Heartbreak Strike is very good, too.

[halcyon lynx]

I'm trying to get a better time

My best time atm is 13:40

[chrome girder]

how qbout aspect of hades

[limber cloak]

the best spear at high heat is probably achilles, or guan yu if you ask like, the two people that play it at high heat

hades spear is decent, but spin itself is hard to utilize when enemies are fast and can hit you for half your health in the time that you even charge it

its hard to use properly for most people

[cunning urchin]

@chrome girder same thing tbh lol. And a lot of resets for good hammers.

A good cast can do some work, though, for Dash-Strike x2 > Cast rotations.

[rich dust]

wtf aspect of nemesis is so good

idk why i slept on it for so long

[turbid needle]

whats the other options

[silver summit]

well it's more than double but special damage is really low-

maybe if you have frost or drunken flourish it might not be bad but i personally wouldn't often take it

[dusky drum]

yea your main hammers on rama will be twin/triple, perfect shot, point blank shot

[turbid needle]

its meh I never use it

[dusky drum]

you shouldnt be grabbing special hammers with it

its a waste

[turbid needle]

oh wait I confused relentless with concentrated

relentless is oke

[cunning urchin]

Relentless Volley is very nice for Drunken Flourish and Frost Flourish.

[silver summit]

yay i was right about something in my life

[rich dust]

Isnt relentless volley the one that adds more shots to special

?

Its extremely good with Zeus special

[rich dust]

Absolutely not

Attack ones are preferable, but zeus special is very very good on rama

[strange lark]

not really since there is a lightning cooldown

[rich dust]

It still does great damage on hordes my dude

specially low hp ones

saves so much time in tartarus

and asphodel if build's good

[strange lark]

bruh

did you just say that it does damage to low hp ones

[rich dust]

saving time in tartarus is definitely interesting when you run tight deadline 3

[rich dust]

i said specially

[strange lark]

wow

thats crazy man

[rich dust]

if you dont get much good stuff for it it falls short later on but

if you get really lucky with the zeus stuff you can even use practically only special the whole run and perform good

I once had a lot of good stuff for it, like double lightning, it cleared s word in styx faster than attack

||i hate this bot||

[strange lark]

woah man

hes gonna see that

[rich dust]

i hope he hears it loud and clear

[opal lodge]

thunder flourish on rama is pretty good

you just should never overfixate on special

[slim lynx]

thunder flourish rama is a meme

it's not bad but you can do better

[gusty rapids]

its good as long as its not the crux of your build, like what bright said

[chrome girder]

rama is so uncomfortable

[gusty rapids]

the special will always always be supplementary to rama's attack

[chrome girder]

to use

lol

[limber cloak]

you do whatcha want!

[jovial fulcrum]

it is floor 10 and I have Aphro legendary

[serene zealot]

oh wow

[slim lynx]

i once got black out like mid tartarus

somewhere around chamber 6 i think

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean, technically its Chamber 10 if we're worrying about specifics

but yeah, lol.

I've had Schint Feast beo on Floor 7 before

[limber cloak]

if we're talking about early duos, i once got exclusive access in the second chamber

of styx

in the second tunnel, right next to the sack

[slim lynx]

and did you actually take it?

[honest wing]

zeus special rama can work, but falls off

it also required a lot of specific boons, like high rarity swift flourish and double strike, coz without those two you ain't getting nowehere

[limber cloak]

nope lol

[gray edge]

im wondering
is hoarding slash ever worth it?
and if yes, how much gold is needed for it to be effective?

[slim lynx]

a lot

lol

[surreal wasp]

ull probably also spend it before the final boss right

[gray edge]

i took it (first hammer in tartarus) bc all the pther options didnt look too great

and i am sitting on 500g rn

[gray edge]

maybe?
maybe not if the raw damage comes in big

ill try to go for all the money i can find tho

okay the important question is

is this bonus damage affected by crit?

[limber cloak]

500g is literally just 25% more dmg

So yeah it's not worth it

The boons you could buy with that 500g would much more effective than the dmg hoarding provides

[gray edge]

well its too late now since im already running with it 😂
ill try to build around it and if it doesnt work ill spend it on like a diamond or titan blood at the temple lul

[limber cloak]

And yeah bonus dmg is affected by crit

[gray edge]

then ill try to make the best of it

[honest wing]

if you know that the hammer is going to be hoarding slash

excalibur is pretty good to go with, along with cthonic coin purse and the gold touch mirror

take ocean's bounty and side hustle and chaos gold boons

[gray edge]

oh oops i shouldve picked up the coin purse when i went to asphodel

i went for athenas keepsake bc i wanted her boons for the crit synergy

(im using nemesis rn)

[honest wing]

ah

I mean you would have to unequip coin purse eventually

which would negate the gold

[somber drum]

Would excalibur be the way to go? It's the same flat bonus for any blade iirc.

[honest wing]

plus isn't even that much gold so yea

[gray edge]

wait

unequipping takes away the gold? 😮

[honest wing]

yes but big number make better use of % bonuses

[honest wing]

I would assume so

[gray edge]

i dont think so bc what would happen if you spend all your gold and then unequip?

didnt actually test it tho

[honest wing]

I am not sure

the wording is a little weird

[gray edge]

also might still go with the acorn in elysium since its so great for the boss fights

[honest wing]

yea

[somber drum]

I thought hoarding slash was 5% of your gold, so like if you have 1000 gold you get +50 dmg per strike regardless of weapon base damage

[lime jolt]

I think the gold is a percentage increase to your attack

So +50% damage

@somber drum

[gray edge]

im at 1270 gold rn

ill quickly check my unaltered attackdmg

nvm bossfight up, ill check it in a bit xD

unaltered hit is 110 dmg
only modifiers are divine slash +55% dmg and hoarding
lvl 1 nemesis sword (i dont know the base dmg of it)

but this should be enough to work out if hoarding is % or flat

now at 2.1 k gold x)

should i pick up the diamond or would that completely cripple my dmg? 🤔

[jovial fulcrum]

coin purse does not make you refund the gold if you unequip it lol

[gray edge]

im also considering this:
ill grab the anvil
if it rolls away my hoarding ill buy his entire stock

and if not ill stick with the big stack of cash

[jovial fulcrum]

whats your other hammer

[gray edge]

cursed

[jovial fulcrum]

bleh.
yeah smash that anvil lmao

[gray edge]

cursed runs are fun but tbh
i got enough defense

also

i went one extra tunnel

in the last room of the tunnel
my acorn went to lvl 3

so now i got 5 blocks against hades 😎

alright killed hoarding and gave me breaching and piercing wave

not bad not bad

now time for shopping

[jovial fulcrum]

no double edge

[gray edge]

i may or may not have passed it up for cursed bc i was worried about my health situation 👀

[jovial fulcrum]

DE is the #1 hammer on sword, pretty much an always-take

Low heat isnt hard enough to sweat it though, so dw

[gray edge]

yikes, died on hades 2nd phase

cursed kept me in the fight for a while tho

maybe DE wouldve carried me harder but i also mightve died earlier

[jovial fulcrum]

its double damage on dash strikes, so maybe

[gray edge]

is the timing for a dash strike actually hard to nail or is it very forgiving?
bc it often feels like im not actually doing a proper dash strike

[jovial fulcrum]

quite forgiving

[gray edge]

okay neat

[jovial fulcrum]

on controller i just roll my finger over both buttons and it registers every time

[slim lynx]

you have a pretty huge window for dash-striking

[idle carbon]

amateur question but I wanna make sure

aphro attack and artemis dash enhance one another right ?

or not

[cunning urchin]

They stack additively.

[idle carbon]

okay

thanks

[fringe summit]

Stygian Soul or Infernal Soul for Hera Bow?

[cunning urchin]

Infernal Soul unless you're going for Trippy Shot.

[fringe summit]

I guess Crush Shot is solid for Hera right?

I was thinking:

• Divine Strike
• Deadly Flourish
• Crush Shot
• Tidal Dash

And then hopefully Mirage and Parting Shot

[valid dagger]

Yea Crush shot Hera is strong

[lime jolt]

Crush shot is v good

[cunning urchin]

@fringe summit start Crush Shot, then look for Snow Burst and Ravenous Will.

And poms.

All the poms.

[fringe summit]

Poms on Crush i guess?

[cunning urchin]

Yes, and on Snow Burst.

Getting Mirage Shot is fine if you see them naturally, but don't try too hard.

Reroll boons from Master Chaos for +1 ammo or Cast damage.

Check Wells for the same.

[fringe summit]

So basically hope for Parting Shot then?

Or some other Duo?

[opal lodge]

one pom is good enough for common or rare snow burst

epic doesnt usually need any help

[cunning urchin]

You don't need a Duo. You only need Crush Shot and Snow Burst.

Everything after that is extra.

[opal lodge]

you dont care about duos too much but as nyaanyaa said mirage is worth forcing if you see one of the two gods you need naturally

if i see athena i usually take a rare or better attack

and try to get blinding flash for parting shot

[cunning urchin]

Smoldering Air is great, Tidal Dash is great, etc. Just gotta go with who you get and make the most of it.

I like Blown Kiss a lot for the AOE.

[opal lodge]

heras kind of nice in that you have aphro, who has access to some really neat duos

so you can kind of take a bunch that fall into your lap naturally

[cunning urchin]

Sweet Nectar is amazing since you'll probably have Tidal Dash, too.

[fringe summit]

So, would you say Gods Pride then in stead of Gods Legacy?

[proven osprey]

If you don't rely on a duo, sure. Rarity is really nice on Hermes for example

[fringe summit]

And what Hammers should i focus on?

[lime jolt]

Flurry is good

Doesn't really matter

Charged volley for damage while bosses have your casts

[fringe summit]

And there are no particular Strikes i should focus on?

Just Crush Shot + Demeter Boons

[lime jolt]

You could try and get mirage shot

[proven osprey]

It's Hera?

Hammer does not matter, flurry can feel a bit weird

[lime jolt]

Flurry is really good on hera

Instant casts

[proven osprey]

Crush shot / Demeter boons as said earlier / Deadly strike is really good for more DPS

[lime jolt]

If you can use it right

And then with triple

Chefs kiss

And deadly strike

[proven osprey]

Try to make a full use of snow burst

For example you can kill the exalted souls with it

so you just load for the next enemy

Always play at melee range, be careful with your cast management

[lime jolt]

Also rebind your casts to trigger if you play controller

makes it easier to load casts

[jovial fulcrum]

Main reason that I use Stygian Soul with Hera.

[lime jolt]

Stygian is not very good with hera

Unless you do dio hera

[last crystal]

So I hear a lot about Merciful End being really good or fun. But I don't feel like I have ever used it successfully. What aspects should I be looking to build it on?

[static karma]

I’ve had it beat EM4 on fists

Doom attack, deflect special, Athena dash

It was EM4 without any other heat though

[turbid needle]

That's the best ME set-up.

[lime jolt]

ZAP

Zeus, poseidon, artemis

Dash

You could go athena for safety

Just chase after them

Damage is very good

[magic rivet]

It's good for bosses since they aren't knocked around as much

[gusty rapids]

its still kind of weird to play

tbh i prefer blade dash, if u get supporting boons it gets really strong

[lime jolt]

Yeah poseidon is definitely not necessary

I just like the acronym

[dense basin]

Generally for merciful end build apart from attack/special with Ares/Athena you need to have Divine Dash (Athena one)

You probably saw in description that any skill that deflects will proc instant doom, right? So what is most spamable skill? Dash 🙂

[last crystal]

Demeter fists? Wouldn't deflect proc more on the attack?

[dense basin]

Exactly

It's not consistent

And with dash attack you'll proc it more. Much more

[lime jolt]

No fists special is good

You need to dash upper

[dense basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HATcgnyqo

[opal vortex]

So do people actually use guan yu? I just unlocked it and it seems like a meme. I am about to start Hades fight, but I have been cheesing it pretty hard

0 heat too...

lol well...

I am using it with only lvl 1

[dense basin]

Guan Yu has very strong special

Allows you to keep distance

And with artemis boon you can do easly 1k crtis or so

[lime jolt]

Its good for high heat?

Wat

[turbid needle]

It is.

That, or Charged Skewer.

But before people knew about CS, Quick/Massive Spin with Divine Strike and Deadly Reversal was the meta build.

[lime jolt]

45+ heat guan yu is hard

[turbid needle]

It's how I got my first 32 spear.

Sure, but 45 anything is really hard.

[lime jolt]

-50% health is very punishing

Achilles is decent

And zag with flurry

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Achilles is very very good.

[opal vortex]

phew... I did it. With -70% health on my 1st try using it.

[lime jolt]

Flurry is extremely good

No it’s good on achilles too

It’s just that achilles is more flexible

So i didn’t have to specify flurry

[cunning urchin]

Only those two aspects can get Flurry Jab, anyway.

[lime jolt]

^^^

[opal vortex]

https://imgur.com/yxvy5Dp

Like I said...it was my 1st time using it.

I should have used the perk that replenishes life each chamber

[dusky drum]

yea cthonic and thick skin

better options

and the main go to is charged skewer with arte special

thats the setup i won my 32 with on base level gy that i was doing as a joke

[opal vortex]

nice

charged skewer is a hammer boon right?

[cunning urchin]

It's a Daedalus upgrade, yes.

[opal vortex]

Honestly I went into the run planning on: Poseidon, aphro, and demeter just so I could give them nectar

[magic rivet]

Level 1 Guan Yu with high Confidence?

You have no fear

[opal vortex]

Hah, I just had no idea what I was getting myself into

https://imgur.com/6ZQjJKG ok so does anyone know why I was so weak on this run? I was doing like 20dmg per shot against hades

[lime jolt]

Could it be because you have no attack boon on eris?

[opal vortex]

yeah it's not a fantastic build, but zeus + rail never really failed me before

i took lightning strike...

is that not an "attack boon"?

[lime jolt]

No you didn’t

lol

I don’t see it

[static karma]

It says lighting strike on the last boon pengy

[lime jolt]

Oh wait

[static karma]

It’s the very last boon listed there

[lime jolt]

Nvmd

I see it

Ok

Idk

Eris should be amazing damage

[opal vortex]

Maybe I just suck at FO. I think it was my first time trying it

[static karma]

I’m curious why you used ruthless reflex

I find having two dashes to be so strong

[opal vortex]

I've been using it from the start, really

I figure if I can git gud at dodging it's free dmg

[lime jolt]

Dashes help you dodge

I frames

[opal vortex]

but yeah... i was doing ~20dmg per shot. I had trouble taking down the minions hades summoned FFS

[lime jolt]

No jolted is bad

[opal vortex]

Right... I understand that. And if I successfully dodge with one dash instead of 2 I get free dmg with ruthless

jolted > double strike?

I was just going for the legendary tbh

[lime jolt]

Double strike doesn’t proc on attack

[opal vortex]

hm, ok

[sweet hornet]

aspect of chaos, even with zeus boon + extras, doesn't seem all that good

extras like jolted

[lime jolt]

Try and get double strike

[idle carbon]

get ares special

[lime jolt]

Nah zeus is probably better for damage and stuff

And fast room clears

[idle carbon]

curse of pain + dread flight is a safe build

imo

didn't try zeus with chaos actaully

could be good as well

one thing tho, I am still not sure if dread flight actually works with chaos special

and how it works if it does

[turbid needle]

@austere hollow So you don't really want to use Curse of Drowning as your primary offensive option.

[austere hollow]

Yea, I picked it up for the prophesy thing and couldn't offload it 😫

[turbid needle]

If you were already rocking a very stacked Flood Shot build, I'm sorry.

[austere hollow]

I had a good position cast at the time

[turbid needle]

But you pop your Casts and then go to work with the rest of your build.

[austere hollow]

As am I. Probably could've had my second clear

It wasn't greatly stacked, but it was pretty decent

I was just popping the casts (x4, got one from chaos) then bullrushing in (shield)

I had a pretty weak aphro on atk and special. I was surprised I got daddy down to 2nd bar

I guess the only good thing is it taught me to be way more patient with the shield

[magic rivet]

Curse of Drowning is fun if you're specifically building around it

[honest wing]

is getting a 15% pierced butterfly good for a first try at no hit? at 0 heat

pierced butterfly was at rank 1 too

[woven ivy]

thats good imo

especially since its rank 1

thats 1% increase right

getting no hits in 15 chambers is pretty hard

[sweet hornet]

are there weapons/builds particularly suited to pierced butterfly?

[proven osprey]

Hestia/Charged skewer Guan Yu

[valid prism]

Zag shield special 😏

[magic rivet]

Isn't it Beowulf with Charged Flight

[proven osprey]

It's bad

The recovery is bad too

[fringe summit]

Family Favorite or Privileged Status for Hera Bow?

[proven osprey]

I'd say FF, even with demeter

[fringe summit]

Is there something i dont understand about Hera Bow with Demeter?

I have the boons, but the damage just feels "mweh"

[jovial fulcrum]

probably just missing something?
Pomming then helps too

[proven osprey]

It goes really fast but you have to pom your Crush Shot every time it's possible

[limber cloak]

dont use demeter cast on hera, if thats what youre doing

use aphro or poseidon or even artemis

though artemis is a bit weaker than the other two

[proven osprey]

Nah they're using crush shot iirc

[limber cloak]

ah, my bad

[proven osprey]

Demeter is here for the support

[jovial fulcrum]

Charge Shot Dio/Beo w/ Chaos grasp all on floor 6

I naturally rolled arty and posiden too???

[woven ivy]

achilles is quickly becoming my 2nd fave spear aspect lmao (guan yu special spam still holds a special place in my heart)

are there any good builds for it

ive just been using it for cast builds and flurry jab lmao

[strange lark]

flurry jab zeus

[woven ivy]

seems like zeus attack is a popular build for fast weapons

i'll try it out when i have the chance then

[strange lark]

yes

[woven ivy]

everytime i get zeus i just get the dash lmao

[proven osprey]

Start with Electric shot to clear tartarus easily

then you can get zeus attack or Artemis

[hollow wraith]

which god gives blade rift boons?

[woven ivy]

ares

[woven ivy]

ok then

i got arty attack earlier and was pretty good

[proven osprey]

yeah it's amazing

Better than Zeus imo

Like Zeus is good early on but the damage really falls of by Ely

[woven ivy]

i see

well i'll experiment with zeus

[proven osprey]

But the Zeus start is the fastest for sure

[hollow wraith]

Yeah I just had a cool zeus cast build where it just bounces forever but it fell off and I messed up so I had 50 hp no revives by time I got to hades.

[woven ivy]

bruh

[hollow wraith]

um wut. I just picked the ares trinket and I get a poseidon as my first

random legendary fishing boon

[clever barn]

yep

[hollow wraith]

no choice

[clever barn]

happens

[woven ivy]

scripted event

[hollow wraith]

ah I see

[clever barn]

pretty funny

[hollow wraith]

ooo lets go I got the consecutive damage boon for blade rift. Shame I lost 2 whole lives to a stupid purple fog room on floor 2

[jovial fulcrum]

It's nice for the "sell a legendary" achievement lol

[hollow wraith]

wut it sounds like best one I've had so far

[woven ivy]

its good for hunting blades

and ares aid

but other than that its kinda meh imo

[valid prism]

All those builds I didn't try because I play too much at high heat 👀 💦

[hollow wraith]

hahaha I get such a good build and I die to hydra when I made it to hades all last 5 runs

[woven ivy]

that means its not a good build

😎

[hollow wraith]

Nah I was just playing really bad

[woven ivy]

F

[valid prism]

Or that means your ability to dodge damages remains the same

If you can clear your run, then your build works, right?

[hollow wraith]

I guess but skill matters too and I probably couldn't beat end boss even with a great build. Best I've got is like 1/2 down second phase

what gods do I go for a revenge build?

[strange lark]

check the revenge duo boon

[proven osprey]

Zeus Ares Aphrodite

[strange lark]

it will list all of the revenge boons

[hollow wraith]

ty

[strange lark]

and the boons to get the duo boon

[proven osprey]

Then you also have Demeter/Athena with revenge boons but you want the Zeus Ares duo and these 2 are less damage

[woven ivy]

my most recent build says otherwise lmao

[hollow wraith]

How do I see all the boons, I bought the thing from contractor but idk how to actually view

[strange lark]

codex

[woven ivy]

achilles + hunting blades + mirage shot + ares legend + flurry cast lmao

[strange lark]

go to settings and check the key to press to find the codex

[woven ivy]

codex then go to the god

[hollow wraith]

thanks

[fringe summit]

What to combine with Flurry Jab? Triple Jab or Extending Jab?

[strange lark]

yeah

[proven osprey]

triple is better

[woven ivy]

extending imo

[proven osprey]

extending is garbage

[strange lark]

i like serrated edge but most people dont like it

[woven ivy]

i guess since rooms arent super wide all the time triple would be better for AOE

[proven osprey]

You don't want serrated point and flurry jab in the same build

[strange lark]

when you get flurry jab you want to hold attack and spam dash

[strange lark]

yeah but i like it

[magic rivet]

Something you like ≠ Something Good

[proven osprey]

Fair enough, serrated point is an interesting hammer

[magic rivet]

My brain says "bigger numbers" and immediately selects it

[jovial fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/06UXT5s.png

It is floor 8 and I'm ready to fight dad already

lmao

[limber cloak]

technically you could just do a boonless run with shackle and be ready to fight dad in c1

but eitherway, amazing build lol

[honest wing]

chaos boons though

[limber cloak]

chaos boons are only really necessary for speedruns

otherwise theyre just cherry on top

[vague ledge]

What’s the best build for Chiron?

[hearty mulch]

from #h1-high-heat-strategies

• Chiron. Offensive build is with Artemis special and Aphrodite attack with heart rend. Defensive build is Aphrodite attack + Demeter special for slowing down enemies and weakening them (and activating privileged status).

[jovial fulcrum]

Aphro attack, whatever you wan special

[vague ledge]

K thx

[jovial fulcrum]

Aphro Attack, Dio Special is also pretty fun

[hearty mulch]

yeah, Low Tolerance is pretty decent overall

It isn't anything like Heart Rend but it's good

[hollow wraith]

is rare crop worth it?

[honest wing]

if you're early on the in the run then I would say yea

[jovial fulcrum]

if you high roll and get curse of naus as well, it's pretty insane.

but like i said, high roll

[limber cloak]

unless youre really late in elysium/stx and have a lot of boons, its almost always worth it

[jovial fulcrum]

if you're not trying to make your next PB time, I'd take it as late as from the Styx shop

each room in styx advances it, so you can still get full value if you don't mind running extra tunnels

[hollow wraith]

I don't even have a pb so timing isn't a worry. What is the little symbol that comes up under my boon list when I left click on a boon

[limber cloak]

its just a way to pin boons to show someone a screenshot of them

to show people how good/bad your build is, for example

you can do it on the victory screen too

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's just a pin.

[cunning urchin]

@proven olive that should help a lot with getting faster clears. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

[proven olive]

Thx

[gray edge]

does world splitter work on dash strike?

bc it feels like it doesnt

[strange lark]

no

thats the hammer that makes your sword attack slam the ground right?

[gray edge]

ah so double edge is worthless then x)

[strange lark]

if so then no

[gray edge]

yep

breaching it is then

[proven olive]

Also any tips for ||Charon||? SO HARD.

[strange lark]

learn his attacks

after a couple of fights you will learn what he does

[cunning urchin]

You might be able to glean some tricks from this video. https://youtu.be/TuE9jZRHhlU

[strange lark]

also dont fight him in tartarus

[proven olive]

this is tartarus

[strange lark]

bruh

[proven olive]

i think ||Guan yu|| doesnt combine with this fight LoL

[cunning urchin]

It's doable, but it takes practice for sure.

[strange lark]

nah

your health is gonna be really low so dont do it

[cunning urchin]

Or you might say, Guan Yu is the only way to do it.

[proven olive]

im ded even before saying LoL

I just cant spear

[valid prism]

You can take off your Nyaanyaa mask, Astaos

[proven olive]

I use more bow or sword and combine with cast or some curse boons...

[jovial fulcrum]

Tart charon fight is doable, especially if you have a super blessed run

[valid prism]

Or a powerful early aspect like Hestia

[proven olive]

I love that sweet sweet ez 1000 dmg

[proven olive]

I hate this aspect

I just cant

[jovial fulcrum]

just get charged shot dio beo on floor 7 or something and kill charon with that

ez

[slim lynx]

charon in tart really isn't that hard

but i always take td3 so i never even have time to beat up the shopkeeper

[valid prism]

I hate it too but the game decided I did my first 50 clear with it, so I kept it 😥

[cunning urchin]

He got that attitude from me, you know?

[proven olive]

I love cast, its better using wich soul dark thing?

[jovial fulcrum]

hestia reload stuff
having to be a manual reload is a bit tedious imo.

[proven olive]

I generally use the 3 one with artemis so I get 5 shots and chaos so 6, then ||poseidon|| sword so I do 1000 every like 3 seconds

[jovial fulcrum]

In most cases, Stygian soul (yellow) is better than Infernal soul (purple).
You can use either one though, and there are cases where infernal is better

[somber drum]

If your using Aspect of poseidon then definitely infernal soul

[valid prism]

It's a very different perspective of the game, you clear the rooms by shooting everyone one by one like doing duels forever

And launching some grenades

[proven olive]

I improve special so area dmg deals with the others

sometimes I beat the game no hit (with nut keepsake) in less than like, a minute

[valid prism]

@cunning urchin so you are the one who replaced his brain with GY? 😱

[strange lark]

nut

[hollow wraith]

damn I got a great crit spear build but I have the spin aspect equipped instead of the spear rush one

[valid prism]

Hestia works fine with atk only, it's on high heat that you feel the need to use the grenade in addition to clear rooms

[cunning urchin]

I may have . . . encouraged certain attributes.

[valid prism]

I have plans to clear 50 with zag shield and Chaos lvl 1, be careful

If you use cast mainly to apply boiling blood on enemies, stygian or infernal blood doesn't matter that much

If the cast is fully use to have optimized damages with it then it matters, depending of which cast you have

On any heat, speedrunners use a lot the zeus cast + infernal blood with Achilles or Poseidon aspect so they use quickly their casts and follow the lightning moves to get them back and redo it

[hasty oracle]

So I haven't played the sword in a while. Any fun and exciting builds I can try? lol

[hearty fractal]

need a build suggestion for aspect of zagreus

lmao

[valid prism]

Zag aspect of which weapon?

[hearty fractal]

im an idiot

spear version

[valid prism]

I cleared 32 heat with zeus special but it was a stupid build now that I think about it

I just saw the spear and thought that playing distance with it is fine

But zeus special doesn't use at all the 25% passive

[somber drum]

I don't use the zag spear, but I would say focus on further enhancing the special, deadly Fluorish is probably best

I'd recommend picking up Chaos boons that boost backstab

Maybe go after Divine Phalanx and Blinding flash to put exposed on distant enemies to backstab then with your special

[hearty fractal]

so an artemis/athena build?

[somber drum]

Yeah, the strategy I envision is to make your special as strong as possible and rely on bonus backstab damage when you recall your spear

It might play kind of like Hestia now that I think about it.

[hearty fractal]

artemis start, athena asphodel?

[somber drum]

Make sure you have shadow presence from the mirror

[hearty fractal]

mhm

which hammer upgrades?

[cunning urchin]

Best Zag Spear builds are Cast and/or Attack.

[hearty fractal]

speaking of cast

I can try that blade rift build again

[cunning urchin]

Either full Cast or Cast > Dash-Strike x2.

Unless you have Flurry Jab, then just Attack and Dash-Attacks.

[hearty fractal]

I'll go full cast

thats an ares start right?

for the blade rift

[cunning urchin]

Well, Merciful End is the optimal build, anyway.

If you start with Lord Ares, might as well go for Merciful End.

[hearty fractal]

thats him and athena right?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[hearty fractal]

that would require that I get an additional ares boon for my attack or special though

to actually infict doom

[cunning urchin]

You'd ignore his Cast for ME.

Curse of Agony > Divine Flourish > Divine Dash > Merciful End > Impending Doom.

[hearty fractal]

I'll give it a shot

which hammer skills do I go for on this build?

chain skewer for doom procs maybe?

or vicious skewer for raw damage

[cunning urchin]

No, you just spam Dash-Strike x2 > Cast/Attack > repeat.

[hearty fractal]

serrated point?

because those are my three options

[cunning urchin]

One sec.

I'd take Chain or Vicious and just continue to ignore the Special.

[hearty fractal]

im guessing I take doom on my attack then?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

Curse of Agony.

Actually, I think Flurry Jab + Lightning Strike is optimal, but that requires resetting for Flurry Jab. Might as well go for Merciful End.

[hearty fractal]

well uh

I got curse of pain

at least I can fill the room with doom while I wait for agony

[cunning urchin]

Yikes.

You need Divine Flourish for ME.

[hearty fractal]

its that or blade rift on dash or cast

[cunning urchin]

Don't take Curse of Pain.

[hearty fractal]

or I could reroll?

[cunning urchin]

Cast then.

Reroll if you can, sure.

[hearty fractal]

yep, curse of agony

[cunning urchin]

There we go.

11:56.45 with a 3-sack. Boo.

[hearty fractal]

3-sack?

[woven ivy]

satyr sack

the thing in styx

that sucks

[cunning urchin]

Sack in tunnel 3.

[woven ivy]

are you using lambent plume or smth to get sub 10?

[cunning urchin]

Lambent Plume doesn't help with speed.

I start every run with the Eternal Rose because Lady Aphrodite is the bestest, and that's the only way to play the game. 💕

[idle carbon]

[woven ivy]

ah right lambent plume is dodge and attack(?)

[cunning urchin]

Dodge and movement speed.

[woven ivy]

wait then why doesnt it help

clear speed?

[cunning urchin]

Movement speed doesn't really do much at all for clear speed.

[woven ivy]

i see

[cunning urchin]

You just want good DPS and AOE.

[idle carbon]

ridiculous dps is what makes a speedrun

imo

if you have not enough dps it just doesn't work

[somber drum]

A lot of this has to do with skill level. Lambent plume helps ME get better clear times because I need the extra dodge chance to survive an aggressive attack against the final boss.

[woven ivy]

welp guess imma start abusing aphro more to get faster times now

[cunning urchin]

You better don't try to abuse Lady Aphrodite if you value your life.

[woven ivy]

thats not what i meant 😭

are aphro boons the best dps? i'm kinda confused between aphro and arty

[hearty fractal]

lmao

got an epic greatest reflec

+3 dashes

[woven ivy]

noice

[idle carbon]

depends on the aspect tbh

[woven ivy]

do you have divine dash yet?

[clever barn]

any cool builds to try on rama? (other than aphro special artemis attack)

[idle carbon]

ares special artemis attack

[clever barn]

lol

[hearty fractal]

alright, @cunning urchin, its athena for asphodel right?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[hearty fractal]

i mean

epic divine dash

[cunning urchin]

Flourish over Dash if she offers it.

[hearty fractal]

not awful considering I have like 5 dashes

[hearty fractal]

she didnt

[cunning urchin]

Alright, now just gotta get Divine Flourish and then look for Merciful End from either.

[hearty fractal]

nothing from asphodel - elysium maybe

[cunning urchin]

You could take the Chthonic Coin Purse into Elysium, so you'll have more money for the two shops in case there's a boon from either.

[hearty fractal]

I dont think I have that

whose keepsake is it?

[cunning urchin]

Hypnos.

[hearty fractal]

I actually think

I havent fed him nectar yet

yep, I have not

[woven ivy]

fed him nectar lmao

now im just imagining zag holding and making hypnos drink the nectar

[hearty fractal]

athena boon - lets see

[somber drum]

Divine Doodle, Divine Dawdle, or Divine Dingle?

[woven ivy]

Divine Dampness

[hearty fractal]

nope

aid

[cunning urchin]

What else?

[hearty fractal]

aid, cast or bronze skin

[cunning urchin]

Cast.

That's a priority slot, practically guarantees you'll see Divine Flourish next time.

Probably very late for Merciful End anyway, but still the best option.

[hearty fractal]

finally

flourish

well

got an athena boon in the shop right before theseus

guess what it was

[cunning urchin]

Merciful End?

[hearty fractal]

:)

just in time

I have so many dashes

I can literally just attack dash

that procs it

and its like level 7

so it does 306 damage

[somber drum]

Merciful End is literally one of the only duos I still need to get for the prophecy.

[hearty fractal]

604 chaos damage

and the best thing

I've halved my time from 40 minutes to 20

[woven ivy]

poggers

do you have impending doom?

[hearty fractal]

yes

the epic variant

[cunning urchin]

Well, now you might have an idea how I do sub 10 lol.

[hearty fractal]

I'm still gonna take like 30 minutes

give or take

but its better than 40

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven ivy]

you got the dream merciful end build there lmao

[hearty fractal]

hades time

[clever barn]

dang rama zoos special is so fast

[cunning urchin]

Ugh, m getting a million Numbskulls chambers in Tartarus and no free chambers.

[clever barn]

what weapon are you playing?

[cunning urchin]

Zag Sword.

Last one I need for sub 10.

[clever barn]

welp, at least it's not hestia

all those skulls are a nightmare

[hearty fractal]

@cunning urchin I won :3

[cunning urchin]

Hestia was easy. First try.

[cunning urchin]

Congratulations!

4 more weapons to go.

[hearty fractal]

I'm thinking a fist run now maybe?

[clever barn]

yeah, just saying that all those skulls room are worse with hestia

[hearty fractal]

I have demeter

so what should I build

[strange lark]

artemis special

easy win

[cunning urchin]

One sec.

Nyaanyaa's Demeter Aspect Guide
Heartbreak Flourish > Lightning Strike + Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air. Also look for Splitting Bolt, Static Discharge, and Billowing Strength. Divine Dash, Tidal Dash, Hunter Dash, Blade Dash are all good. Thunder Dash is great only if you have Splitting Bolt. Put all poms into #1 Zeus' Aid and #2 Static Discharge. I like Pom Blossom from Elysium on because everything in the build benefits so much from poms. Support Fire is always great, too.

Heartbreak Flourish > Zeus' Aid + Curse of Agony > Smoldering Air + Curse of Longing. Very similar to the above.

Curse of Agony > Divine Flourish + Divine Dash > Merciful End. Also look for Impending Doom and Blinding Flash. Poms all go into Curse of Agony and Impending Doom. God's Legacy and God's Pride can both work.

Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish > Deadly Reversal. Hunter Dash or Divine Dash. Also look for Support Fire, Hunter's Mark, Blinding Flash, and Brilliant Riposte. Poms all go into Deadly Flourish + Hunter's Mark. Dionysus' Aid + Splitting Headache and Calculated Risk is also very nice for this, alternatively Athena's Aid or Artemis' Aid can do some work.

Lightning Strike > Deadly Flourish > Storm Lightning + Static Discharge > Splitting Bolt. Also look for Support Fire. Goes well with Passion Dash + Heart Rend, which can also unlock Smoldering Air. More Dash-Upper damage than the first build, but you lose a lot of the synergy that Lady Aphrodite offers.

Hammer priority is Breaching Cross > Kinetic Launcher + Explosive Upper > Rolling Knuckle + Long Knuckle > anything else.

Demeter Aspect doesn't have just one rotation that's optimal. A lot of enemies you kill with a single Dash-Strike or Dash-Upper or Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper or Cast > Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper. Sometimes Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper and repeat until they're dead. With some normal Attacks mixed in here and there. On tanky mobs, you'd do (Cast >) Dash-Strike, Attack x5 > Dash-Strike > Attack x5 > Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper > Attack x5 > etc.

To clarify what I mean by Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper, your inputs should be Dash > Attack > Special. What should happen is Zag does a Dash-Strike and then immediately an Uppercut, but the Uppercut will be a Dash-Special rather a regular Special.

There, that.

[strange lark]

what

[woven ivy]

bruh thats

long

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish is what I start with.

[hearty fractal]

wall of text

[cunning urchin]

I just now typed all of that.

[hearty fractal]

:)

[cunning urchin]

Keep it clean.

[strange lark]

ok

lmao

[woven ivy]

everytime i do a fist run i go talos lmao

is really nice to deal with styx poison

[strange lark]

both aspects are great

[cunning urchin]

@hearty fractal first two builds are what I go for pretty much every time now. Divine Strike start is what I used to play like all the time in Early Access and what got me my first high heat WR, but the build has been nerfed quite a lot since. Still very good and very safe, though.

[toxic river]

alright so i'm going to try and finish a run with the fists

i've only been able to get out with the shield, the sword, the bow, and the spear

so what is a good build that you recommend?

[cunning urchin]

Scroll up lol.

I just pasted my guide.

[toxic river]

lol

sry didn't see it

[cunning urchin]

No worries.

[toxic river]

i'm trying to choose between the ares and athena build or the athena and artemis build

i htink i'll start with the first and try the second next time

[hearty fractal]

help

I just borrowed charon's obol

[strange lark]

time to die

[toxic river]

uh oh

[hearty fractal]

[toxic river]

glhf

i've only beat him once

[hearty fractal]

chuckles

I'm in danger

[somber drum]

Ok so he has a pretty simple attack pattern but his attacks are crushing

Watch for the telegraph on his oar strike, he always makes two sluw strikes

And concentrate on dodging to purple balls while they're out, use the pillars when available

[hearty fractal]

death

[cunning urchin]

To clarify what I mean by Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper, your inputs should be Dash > Attack > Special. What should happen is Zag does a Dash-Strike and then immediately an Uppercut, but the Uppercut will be a Dash-Special rather a regular Special.

https://youtu.be/TuE9jZRHhlU?t=23

[somber drum]

It's a fun boss battle and the reward is great

[cunning urchin]

Should look like this in the timestamp. You can see him do that a lot in the video.

[toxic river]

would you also recommend getting Dire Misfortune for the ares build?

since you would be stacking doom

[cunning urchin]

Not if you're going for Merciful End, no.

[toxic river]

alright

[opal lodge]

dire is good for getting some decent damage before you find ME

[cunning urchin]

I mean it won't hurt, but it's not important. It helps until you get ME, and then it does pretty much nothing when you do have ME.

[opal lodge]

but is essentially worthless after

yeah

[toxic river]

what does ME stand for?

[cunning urchin]

It's better for Curse of Longing.

Merciful End.

[toxic river]

ah

thanks

[cunning urchin]

@hearty fractal goal should ideally be to get a clear with all 6 weapons for the prophecy. That will net you a lot of Titan Blood to max out any aspect or unlock a variety at a lower level.

[hearty fractal]

@cunning urchin I have most of that fist build already

not even through tartarus yet

[cunning urchin]

Which one?

[hearty fractal]

top one

[cunning urchin]

Nice.

[hearty fractal]

heartbreak flourish into lightning stike

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Signet in Asphodel.

[hearty fractal]

yep

also is pom porridge or ambrosia delight better

rarity or levels

[cunning urchin]

Depends.

You'll want Refreshing Nectar, anyway.

[sweet hornet]

raising rarity helps scaling more, plus there are more opportunities to raise levels in the game

but if I'm still at lvl 1 on my main boons I'll grab pom porridge

[cunning urchin]

Scaling isn't affected by rarity. Rarity bonus and pom bonuses are additive.

[sweet hornet]

right, but levels have diminished return

[hearty fractal]

I have refreshing nectar and araidne string stacked

[cunning urchin]

Nice nice.

[sweet hornet]

and rarity usually provide better bonus than +1 lvl

[hearty fractal]

mythic boon time

:)

[sweet hornet]

actually no, just looking at the sheet, it's situational

some boons have the rarity/level crossover at higher level

does refreshing nectar stack with ariadne?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[hearty fractal]

I lost two dd stacks on hydra

idk why

im just not used to the close range

or one was on hydra, the other to an aphrodite fight

[cunning urchin]

Good, that's what you get for not taking Lady Aphrodite first in a trial.

[sweet hornet]

aphrodite and demeter fights always get me

[cunning urchin]

Damned heretics.

[turbid needle]

If the Wrath wouldn't spawn on top of Zagreus Aphrodite's would be the easiest Trial.

[hearty fractal]

^

[turbid needle]

Almost every reason to always take Aphro second in that case, but we've got what we've got.

[hearty fractal]

ayy a pat room

kiss of styx premium

[somber drum]

Oh man ain't it the truth

[hearty fractal]

I beat theseus and asterius without losing any DD stacks

its because I had none to begin with, but ignore that part

[keen kettle]

congrats rusty

[hearty fractal]

im gonna get beaten to ashes by hades now but eh

[cunning urchin]

Your DPS should be high. Just focus on a clean fight!

[hearty fractal]

I died

[sweet hornet]

after winning

[hearty fractal]

I'm proud of myself for reaching second phase 50% on half my hp bar

[sweet hornet]

aww

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

[hearty fractal]

he god some sneaky casts in on me

what other build do you know of that I could try?

[cunning urchin]

Well, I wrote that imo are the five best.

Divine Strike start might be easier if you're not used to Malphon yet.

But you could just do the same build again since you were doing pretty good. Just gotta make a few less mistakes.

Merciful End is optimal if all things fall into place, but I find ME boring, personally.