He's trying to beat 50 rn
#h1-builds-and-combat
lime jolt
limber cloak
ik, i watch his streams often
lime jolt
Ah so ur lurking
limber cloak
yes, i dont chat lol
jovial fulcrum
:lurk:
pearl hare
Alright I'm gonna get lucifer to the surface now
Anyone here maxed their keepsakes naturally?
pearl hare
I always just used the olympian gods for that so now I'm completing all of it, also hoping I might unlock Ares and Artemis hearts with it
daring mango
I hate em3 thesius more with forced overtime
Too fast with that chariot its annoying
lime jolt
No asterius is way worse
flat garden
asterius rides the macedonian for a change
jovial fulcrum
Anyone here maxed their keepsakes naturally?
most of them, but I had to go out of my way for some of the olympians' keepsakes
oh and the shackle
astral pendant
does aspect of chaos sound decent along with explosive shot and other synergizing boons?
limber cloak
i guess they mean explosive return?
in which case, yeah explosive return is pretty good on chaos
strange lark
if so then yes
flat garden
the extra chaos shields dont return to you do they
strange lark
they do
jovial fulcrum
chaos is my favorite shield 100%.
Pinball simulator is great
I don't think I've had explosive return either actually
strange lark
only one way to find out
jovial fulcrum
I've had dread flight a few times which unfortunately doesn't work how you'd want it to work
limber cloak
dread flight is a useless hammer on chaos lol
jovial fulcrum
only seems to buff the real shield
strange lark
which one is that?
astral pendant
yea i've gotten through meg with all weapons, trying to get through asphodel with all weapons, but the biggest problem is i'm sitting on way too many diamonds that i don't have a use for
jovial fulcrum
+4 bounces
strange lark
oh
jovial fulcrum
I took it thinking it would make all the shields bounce more
limber cloak
yea i've gotten through meg with all weapons, trying to get through asphodel wit...
you'll have use for them later
strange lark
yea i've gotten through meg with all weapons, trying to get through asphodel wit...
once you make it to final boss they will be useful
jovial fulcrum
you need a lot of diamonds for the ||music library||
astral pendant
got it
strange lark
oh yeah
jovial fulcrum
if you're in the business of 100% clearing the game that is
strange lark
i only bought one of the songs
astral pendant
i'm fine with spoilers tbh, it just gives me more hype for what's to come
jovial fulcrum
early, most of the uses for diamonds is to buy McGuffin style plot progression orders from the contractor
astral pendant
ah, this is my first game of this kinda genre so i'm still gettin used to how it works and all
jovial fulcrum
Oh right, all the room upgrades
strange lark
go to hades for new players if you want help
jovial fulcrum
the rooms upgrades are good too.
make the lesser resources useful even after you don't need them
strange lark
if you need help i can talk to you there
jovial fulcrum
Pom Nectar is 👌
astral pendant
it's not more or less help it's just learning different combos and how the game works
which is help in a way 👉 👈
jovial fulcrum
Just try out the game and do what you want until you unlock the Pact, is my advice.
I wouldn't worry about min-maxing before that
astral pendant
sounds good, it's then just run grindin from here on out
jovial fulcrum
The main thing that early on is that you wanna give everyone at least one nectar to pick up their keepsake
astral pendant
that's almost done 😏
jovial fulcrum
astral pendant
not from hades or any of the crazy hard ones
but i have the pierced butterfly, all of the god's keepsakes, there are a few loose ends but they're comin together
fringe summit
So, when you go Hera Bow with Trippy Flare and you get Black Out it's G_G right 😄 ?
lime jolt
Black out is meh
fringe summit
Really?
lime jolt
Your main damage is cast
fringe summit
Hmm, any Gods i should aim for after Dio?
jovial fulcrum
Ice Wine is good, but the delay it adds drives me crazy
jovial fulcrum
I once had Scintillating and Ice Wine together on Beo and oh baby
fringe summit
What the hell 😄
jovial fulcrum
lv 8 fog does that to a guy
lime jolt
And mirage
jovial fulcrum
rofl
lime jolt
The beo dio dream
fringe summit
What's Aspect of Beowulf?
jovial fulcrum
hidden shield aspect
fringe summit
Ah
jovial fulcrum
it's like, pretty much literally Hera
fringe summit
Oh boy, sounds good
I actually didnt like the Bow at the start
But Hera completely changed my mind
jovial fulcrum
the best hammer for Beo turns it into a bow lol
jovial fulcrum
Beo is fun just because of how stupid strong it is, but I still think I like Chaos more
lime jolt
Makes it a lot smoother
fringe summit
Goddamn, 2 Chaos Gates. Both rerolled and still no Eclipse
jovial fulcrum
wait really lol
jovial fulcrum
I still have not gotten Chaos's defiance boon after like 100 runs lol
fringe summit
What 🤣
jovial fulcrum
it's driving me crazy lol
Chaos Boons and the Lyre Practice are the last two prophecies i have
fringe summit
Oh, i got Ice Wine
daring mango
I have yet to find flame wheels release in the shop
its the only thing I need for the prophecy for the shop
static karma
Is piercing wave just a bad hammer or am I using it wrong?
gusty rapids
sounds like you got the answer in high heat, but yeah you just kind of play as if you dont have it and it'll just do good damage regardless
slow breach
does the damage bonus gained from thanatos keepsake go away if you take it off in-between realms?
fervent elbow
Once you take it off, you lose the bonus
slow breach
ah, darn. thanks
honest wing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/817835915774525470/unk...
how do you do the screenshot like that
strange lark
editing probably
flat garden
advanced extra tall 9:16 monitor
strange lark
i refuse to believe that they have a monitor like that
strange lark
oh wait
it is editing because the coins are in the middle of the screen shot and not at the bottom
tranquil falcon
does explosive return get buffed by special boons?
like if i had doom would it proc doom
strange lark
no
tranquil falcon
rip
also some more very weird questions
if you kill an exalted
and thanatos targets the soul
does thanatos still target the soul if it respawns?
like does the thanatos death effect still persist and kill the respawned soul?
also if one of the stone things makes invincible
does thanatos still kill them?
fringe summit
Anyone got a fun recommendation for Zagreus Sword build? I just wanna try out some stuff
dusky drum
do you want a meme build or my serious opinion
fringe summit
Eehh, well. Since i'm still learning/discovering boons and builds, probably a serious opinion i guess
dusky drum
ok
so for sword, i like to put arte/aphro/zeus on special
and have attack be a status thing
sets up for easy ps
or the other way around works too
arte/zeus attack and a status special
attack just needs to be something fast and preferably stack while special can be damage
fringe summit
Alright, sounds good
Maybe i need to give Zeus some love
I like the effects, i'm just not sure if i like the damage output from Zeus boons
dusky drum
ahh
i mean zeus on special tbh is pretty good
and its viable on attack
but zeus is like dem, you really need a lot of their boons for them to get really good
fringe summit
What the hell!? You can actually stack different Eclipse boons from Chaos!!!
dusky drum
anything from chaos can stack :/
fringe summit
That's nutty
somber drum
I like the effects, i'm just not sure if i like the damage output from Zeus boon...
@fringe summit even if you aren't using weapons with a high attack rate that proc a lot of bolts Jolted can be a big damage dealer.
abstract flower
Rama is my new favorite bow aspect
dusky drum
what weapon aspect
chrome girder
Any
dusky drum
(also "strongest" doesnt really exist in this game)
chrome girder
I use Gilgamesh
But I’m trying to branch out
Just really strong builds in general
chrome girder
The rocket
dusky drum
rail??
chrome girder
Yeah
silk temple
If I take off Hermes' plume will the effects stay or go away?
dusky drum
eris aspect: zeus attack and go for arte/aphro special(aphro if you want smoldering air)
hestia: aphro/arte attack and thats about it
luci: idk luci is a meme
dusky drum
If I take off Hermes' plume will the effects stay or go away?
it leaves
you have to keep it on
silk temple
sad
chrome girder
Thanks
Gilgamesh
Is fun to use
The end build with dash and stuff forgot what it’s called
somber drum
@chrome girder I'd also recommend trying Aspect of Zeus, it's also really strong
worldly pier
eris aspect: zeus attack and go for arte/aphro special(aphro if you want smolder...
hey Luci is not a meme 
somber drum
To me Luci lays kind of like Aspect of Zeus, especially with triple bomb and that hammer that makes the hellfire orbs pulse more damagy
worldly pier
Luci played like Eris is really strong, and the supersoaker variation, while "meme" can still do wonders
somber drum
I had a lot of fun with it. Tower defense!
chrome girder
Is there Dlc coming?
dusky drum
Luci played like Eris is really strong, and the supersoaker variation, while "me...
i find the hellfire almost impossible to use
dusky drum
Is there Dlc coming?
probably never
i dont expect sgg to do anything with it
the game is done
anytihng new would break story and lore
stuck basalt
you guys i’m doing an 18 heat hestia run
chrome girder
I just smash
stuck basalt
poseidon focused build
dusky drum
poseidon focused build
i-
stuck basalt
i got exclusive access in mid tartarus
dusky drum
you do you
dusky drum
i got exclusive access in mid tartarus
o-o
stuck basalt
it actually works quite well
i’ve done it before
your attack gets a p decent damage boost, usually over 80%
dusky drum
i think pos attack is one of the worst in the game damage wise
chrome girder
What happens if you give everyone a gift
stuck basalt
and rupture
dusky drum
What happens if you give everyone a gift
wdym
dusky drum
^^
dusky drum
no all of em do
worldly pier
Hellfire is a good damage special, specially with triple bomb. It mostly takes time to get used to it, but there's no reason to call Luci a meme :-p
dusky drum
oh
chrome girder
Yeah I’m talking about 6 gifts
somber drum
Luci Hellfire can be used just like the standard bomb, it does constant in the area it lands even without detonation.
dusky drum
they give the companions
somber drum
But you have the freedom to blow it up.
dusky drum
with how fast everything starts moving in the game its too slow imo
they never stay in the explosion when it happens
so it feels kinda useless
stuck basalt
just thinking out lpu
loud
if i have exclusive access
and take yarn of ariadne/ refreshing nectar
will the boons be heroic?
or still epic
stuck basalt
guess there’s only one way to find out
this run is p much already guaranteed to go exceptionally well
i cannot believe it man it was literally the third boon i took
ooo should i take epic arty attack
that could be VERY fun
might sell splash dash too since athena’s in the pool
ok i’m buying ariadne
i’ll let y’all know what happens
dusky drum
kk :3
solemn hare
I posted this earlier but in the wrong channel, just realizing it now:
I have a question about boon priority. The boons offered clearly prioritize filling up your five main move slots, but is there a more detailed explanation of the mechanics?
Right now I'm given the choice between Artemis and Aphrodite doors. I want Aphrodite's auxiliary boons, but I only have two of my move slots filled. I also really want a Duo Boon that I am technically eligible, and both doors are Miniboss, and I have Sweet Ambrosia active.
However I also eventually wouldn't mind having Artemis' call or dash strike, and if she did offer me a critical boosting boon I'd take that too
So the issue I'm faced with is, do I go with Artemis because Aphrodite is probably just going to give me move slots options I don't want? Or do I still choose her because the rarity boosters will override that and present an opportunity for the Duo boon?
Or, third option, do I just go for the Chaos Door that's also open, and hope that I get a chance to score Aphrodite's aux and duo boons later?
stuck basalt
bragging time y’all
thanks to the power of hunters mark
i just left the heroes fight with full health
thank you artemis much appreciated :)
robust anchor
anything you want to fulfill duo boon requirement
stuck basalt
i cleared out the infernal trove so quickly i got the full reward
stuck basalt
it was very amusing
cunning urchin
I have a question about boon priority. The boons offered clearly prioritize fill...
Any boon you pick up is guaranteed to offer at least one out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash until you have all those four slots filled. There's a 10% chance that offer is an exchange. The very first boon you pick up will always offer three out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.
That priority does not apply to Call.
Aside from that, the information in this reddit post should be accurate. https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llznpb/a_mostly_complete_guide_to_boon_choices_and/
tranquil falcon
also
if you roll on the first boon you can get something that isn't one of the core boons
starting off with oceans bounty lets gooo 😎
spiral badge
Any boon you pick up is guaranteed to offer at least one out of Attack, Special,...
This is..... incredibly important information. Should/can this be pinned?
turbid needle
Ooh, that's a nice thread.
cunning urchin
@spiral badge if you want something to be pinned, you should ask a mod directly. 
solemn hare
Any boon you pick up is guaranteed to offer at least one out of Attack, Special,...
You are the best, thank you!
ruby igloo
anyone know a good or fun Aspect of Achilles build with the spear?
abstract raven
Hades is less susceptible to Charm right?
hearty elbow
You could also go caster with it. Hunting Blades/Crystal Clarity if you want to high roll, both of them work out really well with Achilles in particular. Most casts work
abstract raven
How is the difference calculated?
hearty elbow
Bosses in general are less susceptible. Not sure the multiplier. Feels like maybe 33%? Just spitballing.
It's probably less than that
abstract raven
Okay
ruby igloo
ty
ruby igloo
Hah, I got super lucky
got artemis and ares duo boon before I hit asphodel = )
seeking blades
hunting blades*
hearty elbow
It's absurdly good if you get the duo on Achilles, yeah :) Enjoy the power trip
Go for Mirage Shot and Flurry Cast with +casts :P
ruby igloo
Ooo mirage shot
ruby igloo
Anyone have a fun Alexander build?
robust anchor
whats that
robust anchor
most popular is art aph or ath on atk, and aim for your favorite duo/legend boons. personally i like shackle too but thats not as popular ofc
ath dash also great, like on any sword
ruby igloo
kk ty 97
coarse moss
alexander build! make it a chariot weapon for zag
silk temple
Is there a way to always get a solid build or is it just luck
honest wing
some builds just primarily need one boon to work, like zeus attack on eris rail or something
you might not get a perfect build with all the boons you want, but it still works out
silk temple
I saw a Gilgamesh Ares Athena builf but even if I put ares boon is it %100 I will get athena sometime?
And what is privileged status?
cunning urchin
Any boon you pick up will be from a random god until you have boons from 4+ gods. When you have 4+, the game will select randomly only from the pool of gods you already have.
Master Chaos and Lord Hermes are separate from that.
You can force Lady Athena to appear by equipping her keepsake.
robust anchor
And what is privileged status?
privilege stat is a mirror perk https://hades.gamepedia.com/Mirror_of_Night
ruby igloo
Arthur build was fun. My dmg fell off near the end but still made it. Completely wrecked bronze thesius and asterius. I was tanky as all hell. Didn't get a single duo or legendary though =\
final karma
Hey does urge to kill increase additively, or does it increase multiplicitavely?
final karma
Yeah that's what I thought, thanks.
honest wing
was concentrated fire a hammer that was discontinued or something
coz the wiki has mentions of it
half crater
to my knowledge there was never a hammer by that name, it could be referring to Concentrated Volley or Concentrated Beam
flat garden
nope
it's on the page for the rail
i remember it as well since i peruse the wiki a lot when getting into this game
half crater
huh
yeah idk then
it probably was a hammer at some point in EA then and i’ve just forgotten about it lol
honest wing
quick question
sea storm or cold fusion
I have splash dash
yea I'll go for poseidon only coz I want his other tier 2s too
I want nothing from demeter
untold vortex
honest wing
I currently have zeus legendary and coldfusion and sea storm and slpash dash and arte special with rocket bomb
on eris rail
honest wing
epic discovery!!!!
put on eris aspect, hit yourself with the special, quickly change to hestia aspect and fire an empowered shot for eris-powered hestia shot
half crater
pro killing skelly strats
the killing skelly speedrun meta will be in shambles after this
flat garden
is there a meme category like that because there should be
honest wing
ikr
flat garden
it wont be very fun to watch but it will bring joy to skelly
half crater
there are a couple meme categories but not a killing skelly one afaik
it wouldn’t be very optimisable
opal lodge
the two "meme" categories on the board are charon% and super soaker
i kind of like the idea of kill skelly though
timer starts when you enter the courtyard and ends on skelly death
reminds me of the old pet%
half crater
it would make me happy if switching to eris then back to hestia was optimal
but i suspect it wouldn’t be worth it
hestia ready kills skelly in 3 hits
opal lodge
i honestly think it would just be HC shadow shackle hestia
half crater
yeah
coral cave
I want bouldy%
honest wing
what do the %words mean
half crater
it’s just kind of a speedrun category name tradition
in other games you can have any% (finish the game) and 100% (get all the stuff and finish the game) and stuff
opal lodge
the % usually refers to the % of the game cleared, but a roguelike such as hades doesnt really lend itself to that soort of naming convention
even so we still use it for meme categories
flat garden
meme speedruns of any game use % for comedic effect rly
like weed% in ocarina of time
opal lodge
break dirt% in minecraft
flat garden
skelly% should start from fresh file and end when you kill skelly
half crater
that’d be interesting actually
opal lodge
that's just pet% with more steps
flat garden
breaking new grounds in the moving through house of hades tech
half crater
since you’d have to die as fast as possible, get to skelly and kill him
opal lodge
well
theres an optimal death
like actually
since multirun fresh file used to be meta
half crater
oh yeah
opal lodge
you have to get hit once by the first thug as you kill him and then stand equidistant between the next two thugs who each hit you for 20
opal lodge
lol
honest wing
fr
best way to die fast is turn off thick skin take level 1 guan yu and turn on hard labor and the traps damage heat
opal lodge
ive made a tier list for which chaos curse to take if you want to reset your run the fastest after not getting the cast stone on dio beo
idk if that counts
there's an informal die% guide
you take level 1 guan yu without mirror except extra dashes into first room
flat garden
i still think there's a missed opportunity for them not to include the option to downgrade weapons if you wanna do challenge runs
i want to experience a level 1 chaos shield again
without starting a fresh file
half crater
you want to experience level one chaos
are you sure
do you need help
in all seriousness tho i don’t disagree
wonder if anyone’s made a max save file with all aspects at lvl1
flat garden
do you need help
i want to suffer
half crater
that’s fair
flat garden
im sure its not too hard to edit savefiles isnt it
i dont know anything about hades modding
half crater
me neither
sweet hornet
just stumbled on dash nova + double nova with poseidon special boon, it's a bit nuts
honest wing
I wouldn't think it would be since the first special iteration would push the enemies out of the special radius
sweet hornet
double nova disables the knockback
spiral badge
@flat garden modding in this game easy as hell
Babby difficulty
And there’s a button that’s exactly what you’re asking for
In pony’s QoL mod
Pm me if you want an instruction or two. Be glad to hold your hand. 5-7 min to get online and rolling
cunning urchin
i honestly think it would just be HC shadow shackle hestia
Hestia > Excalibur > Chiron > Nemesis should be top 4 in that order, as far as I can tell.
flat garden
<@!519030001216258082> modding in this game easy as hell
ic, ty for the info
dont rly need it but also cheers for the offer
fringe summit
Any tips on beating Charon? He absolutely destroys me...
magic rivet
Ok, this time, dodging is a serious strategy
You basically need to pay attention to when he's about to attack
Since all his attacks are high damage with a windup
cunning urchin
Any tips on beating Charon? He absolutely destroys me...
You might be able to glean some strategies from this. https://youtu.be/TuE9jZRHhlU
fringe summit
Thanks!
magic rivet
Fresh file skelly run when
limber cloak
a huge thank you to Bright for the amazing strategem that he provided, could not have done this without his guidance
cunning urchin
https://i.imgur.com/70EAwvD.gifv
Rejected. No previous death shown.
terse coral
wait wait wait
Hazard Bomb Eris Aspect?? 
mild raft
Hazard Eris is the future
flat garden
https://i.imgur.com/70EAwvD.gifv
amazing.
running hazard eris on lc4 would be a fun challenge
magic rivet
That doesn't sound horrible actually
terse coral
sounds like suffering to me
mild raft
Sounds like damage
nimble nova
Damage and suffering.
fringe summit
If you choose something else than a Hammer on a door, will you get that Hammer on one of the next levels?
cunning urchin
There's a good chance you'll see it again until you've picked up 2 hammers, but it's not guaranteed.
fringe summit
Ah ok, thanks
lucid lily
When using achilles spear and blade rift does the rush buff affect the entire blade rift or just the first four ticks of it?
cunning urchin
For the whole duration.
honest wing
https://i.imgur.com/70EAwvD.gifv
how
limber cloak
shackle hestia with fiery presence and high confidence
fervent elbow
I wanted to do a no-triple bomb run with Lucy but when hammer gave me the choice to take it, I didn't resist
lime jolt
you cant resist against the triple
Also after doing a few 50 runs 40 felt ezpz
50 is bad
fervent elbow
50 was awful, even with triple bomb
fervent elbow
My 50 heat Arthur felt easier than lucy
lime jolt
Thats...interesting
Arthur would be worse for me
Whenever I try 50 heat I always time out at elysium
No matter what I do
Timer is my number one enemy
fervent elbow
Big problem of Arthur is it can lock you in big swing animation
lime jolt
Yeah with FO that becomes a problem
opal lodge
did you do 50 luci nephiOH?
fervent elbow
My 50 heat rail was with Lucifer
hazy anchor
If you choose something else than a Hammer on a door, will you get that Hammer o...
I know this was posted a while ago but you definitely will
Not only that, but you can even get two hammers in Elysium if you never got one in Tartarus or Asphodel
This happened to me a few days ago. Was going for specific boons and I skipped hammers a couple times and also couldn't afford the one for sale at the last shop in Asphodel. Thought I was screwed. Ended up getting both in Elysium
halcyon lynx
sd or dd for 16 heat?
cunning urchin
DDs.
fringe summit
Can you actually get Duo Boons as soon as you meet the requirement(s)? I have a feeling it's pretty hard to get them already in Asphodel for example
fringe summit
And it is possible to use multiple Duo's on 1 run right?
opal lodge
yes
opal lodge
most duos ive ever gotten is like 6 or 7 in a run
jovial fulcrum
Fresh File runs can get ME inside of tartarus if you're lucky, cause you always start with Athena and get ares later
worldly pier
https://i.imgur.com/70EAwvD.gifv
Fun meme run 🙂 I tried some, and think this one is 0.17s faster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCH60xc6S3o
hazy anchor
So do I understand correctly that all damage resistance (and bonus damage) is multiplicative?
dusky drum
no it should be additive i think
opal lodge
all damage resistance is multiplicative, all bonus damage is additive with the exception of crits
hazy anchor
I was pretty sure it was additive since otherwise you could get over 100% DR
So what happens if you have God Mode at 40% DR and then take two levels of Hard Labor for +40% damage taken?
opal lodge
thats a good question
im not sure about how modifiers like god mode or HL factor into it but boons that reduce damage
like weak/hyper sprint
are all multiplicative
hazy anchor
if it was multiplicative, it would basically reduce your god mode from 40% to 16%
0.6 * 1.4 = 0.84
opal lodge
yeah that seems right
hazy anchor
so I played with God Mode on for a long time, and eventually it got all the way to 80% (the max). Game was too easy at that point. Decided to try using Hard Labor from the pact but it didn't change much. 80% DR against +100% from Hard Labor only drops you to 60%
of course the easy solution, turn off god mode (which I did)
it also means if you are playing at higher god mode levels, +%damage and +%resistance effects are mostly meaningless
halcyon lynx
Zeus attack for malphon?
jovial fulcrum
Zeus is decent
halcyon lynx
Is there anything better
robust anchor
zeus ares aph are close
jovial fulcrum
depends on the build
robust anchor
i like ares best
cunning urchin
Zeus attack for malphon?
Which aspect?
halcyon lynx
max level demeter
jovial fulcrum
Heart Rend is my favorite for Demeter
halcyon lynx
hmmm
jovial fulcrum
Aphro attack, Arty special
halcyon lynx
I usually only do that with chiron bow
jovial fulcrum
Heart Rend is good on everything p much
jovial fulcrum
I hear that a lot but I've never actually tried it on Demeter
cunning urchin
Your Special is gonna matter more than your Attack on Demeter Aspect. Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are both excellent damage. Heartbreak Flourish will give you more survivability, Deadly Flourish will give you more damage.
halcyon lynx
which should I go with you think?
cunning urchin
Obviously, Lady Aphrodite is the bestest goddess, so always start with the Eternal Rose on everything.
jovial fulcrum
could also do zoos attack and use passion dash to apply weak
try and open up Smoldering Air too, for ultimate high roll.
cunning urchin
jovial fulcrum
Dusa boons when
wraith flax
New player her any good builds for the gun or shield? Still trying to understand things so some stuff might have to be dumbed down for me 😂
cunning urchin
Merciful End is optimal for DPS if everything falls into place, but other builds are more consistent.
halcyon lynx
ah ok
cunning urchin
New player her any good builds for the gun or shield? Still trying to understand...
I wrote a Newbie Build Guide that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players. Might be a good place to start for you.
fringe summit
What do you guys suggest for casual runs? Olympian Favor or Dark Foresight?
proven osprey
What do you guys suggest for casual runs? Olympian Favor or Dark Foresight?
Dark Foresight gives you way more power
fringe summit
But what does it exactly do? It just gives you more chance on Boon chambers etc.?
jovial fulcrum
i always forget which mirror boons do what
proven osprey
Yup, +20%
fringe summit
Because i just did 1 run with it, and i seriously only got common Boons due to missing out on Olympian Favor
proven osprey
If you want boon rarity, go for God's pride
and also
Rarity does no matter much in general
cunning urchin
fringe summit
Rarity does no matter much in general
Hmm ok, good to know
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight gives you much more gold laurel rewards over a run.
proven osprey
It's just very good for Hermes and for speedruns because you don't really have to pom them
But a common boon is perfectly fine by itself
fringe summit
Ok, just need to stop focussing on getting those juicy Epic rarity's
But the feelings man...
proven osprey
It's just a feeling
fringe summit
Give it another color and i just want/need it 😛
fringe summit
Make it sparkly and i'll be drooling
proven osprey
If you want something shiny, meet the prereq for duos/legendaries and run God's Legacy
fringe summit
Yeah since i have it maxed out i'm basically always running Gods Legacy
proven osprey
It's really good
fringe summit
I read/heard somewhere that for most casual runs, you just want the bottom 4 mirrors upgrades green
So, Family Favorite, Dark Foresight, Gods Legacy, Fated Persuasion
proven osprey
God's legacy / God's pride is a choice
but the other ones are like just better
Although Priviliged Status has some uses
jovial fulcrum
I prefer Priv Stat most of the time
jovial fulcrum
higher pay off, which i like
fringe summit
I'm a bit known to ME builds on Fists and Shield
And i had that Dio/Arte Duo Boon once on Hera Bow which was nutty
Altough, i believe it was Dio/Arte Duo
jovial fulcrum
dio/arte is crit% per hangover stack
proven osprey
Ice wine pog
fringe summit
Yeah, Ice Wine
jovial fulcrum
i hate the delay it adds personally
fringe summit
That was sick
I just went for another Hera Bow run
And thought: Whatever, i'll just pickup whatever Boon i see
That didn't work out lol 😛
Ended up with Arte cast which i thought sucked
And not much usefull duo's
jovial fulcrum
Arte cast is one of the worst ones, unfortunately, yeah
fringe summit
Good to have that confirmed
I didn't get the + Casts a single time from Arte
Even tho meeting him 4 times
jovial fulcrum
It doesn't even have a duo payoff like Ares cast of Demeter cast
jovial fulcrum
Fully Loaded is surprisingly hard to get
fringe summit
I did get the Hermes legendary which gave back the casts automatically
That one is nice for Hera i guess
Anyway, i'm off to bed. Have a good one all!
proven osprey
Good night!
jovial fulcrum
i prefer stygian on Hera/Beo
there's more sources of extra cast stones than there are for instant recall
opal lodge
kinda depends on the cast
generally though its better to get in the habit of just learning how to best pick up your casts
astral pendant
Need some help here
So I’m usin rail right now and have made it to Styx
Any tips on hades
astral pendant
K
jovial fulcrum
I see a lot of Infernal stones for Hera and stygian for Beo.
Like i said, i use Stygian for both so I'm not sure why there's that divide there
gusty rapids
stygian vs infernal almost entirely just depends on what cast ur using
finite yoke
any good build for sword? the only time I remotly got it to work was with golden touch and hoarding slash, and that died at hades
magic rivet
Do you want to actually use the attack button or is using the sword just fine
finite yoke
ok
worldly pier
Depends of your definition of good ? It does big damage, and has a unique gameplay. It's not one of the fastest aspect
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arthur is weird but weird is far from bad
cold coyote
but 700 per standard cycle is good in my imo
what do you call the combo with normal attck
robust anchor
attack
cold coyote
ok
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arthur's gameplay is probably? the most radically different from its brothers out of all of the hidden aspects
cold coyote
700 per attck is goo in my imo
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but it has some very good niches that it occupies
and opens up a lot of unconventional choices
robust anchor
i think arthur and nemesis do similar dps
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you have a huge swing
dusky drum
oh god what do i do for flame wheels
just dash around
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also the same thing you do for fists
cold coyote
THAT TAKES TIME
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run and dodge
cold coyote
okay
dusky drum
they blow themselves up after a while
cunning urchin
Nemesis does DPS?
cold coyote
that might work
robust anchor
uh oh
robust anchor
poseidon
cold coyote
ew
robust anchor
the least swordy of the swords
cold coyote
i also don't use cast soo
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lol indeed
strongest sword uses the least sword
is arthur asking for trouble?
i might seed cursed for that
robust anchor
slow close rnage weapon
lime jolt
I think nemesis has more dps than arthur
robust anchor
sounds so spooky
lime jolt
If you can get it set up correctly
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sounds so spooky
there isn't a non-spooky sword 😭
robust anchor
lol
proven osprey
What would folks call the best sword at higher heat
Tbh, Arthur
Like it has a bad reputation
But with practice it's just really strong
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honestly that was sort of my thinking
dusky drum
well yea but anything is strong with practice
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excal or posiedon seem to be the ticket
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you'd be pleased astaos. I finally got 32 spear done with GY and it was an utter faceroll
proven osprey
More than Hestia Eris or whatever
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I've never had the game hand me a god run quite like that
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ohhhh ill have to find it
it was a roided up arty build
and for good measure i got a sick dem cast setup to compliment it
wild
lemme find
cold coyote
does hades aid make you invincible or just invisible?
proven osprey
But if you hit, you're not unseen anymore remember
cold coyote
that's kinda not great
cold coyote
please
proven osprey
Dad call is best when used with the lesser call. It's an amazing damage buff because it's global. You want to avoid the full call anyway because it's usually a waste of dps. The invincibility part rarely matters, although you still benefit from the iframes of a regular call
proven osprey
The invincibility from unseen I mean
cold coyote
i don't think i understand what dad call does
dusky drum
why take it when i can have 5 free hits with acorn
unkempt geyser
@spiral badge the bot pings you if you post links too fast, sorry about that! i unmuted you
proven osprey
why take it when i can have 5 free hits with acorn
Speedruns
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thank you, my bad ❤️
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yeah i figured i upset it lol
cold coyote
i don't think i understand what dad call does
I thought it just turned you invisible so enemies don't throw attacks at you
somber drum
why take it when i can have 5 free hits with acorn
I thought it also gave guaranteed backstab damage.
dusky drum
not backstab, i think just double damage
but i just like the security of 5 free hits
lets me be more aggressive too
cold coyote
but i just like the security of 5 free hits
great for hades. good 250 free damage.
done on you not given
proven osprey
i don't think i understand what dad call does
You get a 100% damage buff for 2 whole seconds, not only when the invisibility is active.
cold coyote
wow 2 whole ass seconds
cold coyote
remember i'm on arthur
proven osprey
yes global
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that's a long time bruv
dusky drum
remember i'm on arthur
lol 2 seconds is enough for 1 arthur attack
cold coyote
1 attack or one full attack combo
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but any time you see a label that lacks an "attack" or "special" modifier, that's game code for "global" damage increases which is the best kind
proven osprey
It's also really good with Billowing strength (more damage) and Proud Bearing (being able to call right off the bat in any room)
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mmhmmmm
worldly pier
You get a 100% damage buff for 2 whole seconds, not only when the invisibility i...
1.5s 🙂
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also you end up using it much more
cold coyote
wow a whole ass 1.5 seconds
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i could swear the call gauge is less to fill?
proven osprey
Don't hit me Lili :(
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it's a pretty signifigant buff
coral cave
And it fills up pretty quickly anyways
proven osprey
Yeah this keepsake is like
The one that would benefit the most from leveling up imo
Anyway, should be sleeping. Bye people o7
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night night!
serene zealot
So, last time I ran Lucifer (super soaker), I died to the champions, and I’d like to not do this next time. So, what boons are good with Lucifer?
static karma
Aphro or arty attack on zag bow?
dusky drum
whichever you want
do you want more crits but lower damage or less crits but mre damage
all up to you
id take aphro tho for easier heart rend prock
serene zealot
Would either of those work on Luci?
dusky drum
luci is an..
odd one to say the least
imo its just a meme
if you want you could do a heart rend setup but general good builds are super soaker, dio attack, and zeus attack
dem attack can also be very good
serene zealot
Ah
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Aphro or arty attack on zag bow?
Arty all day
for zag bow you don't touch special much, so you don't have a very good "secondary" space for artemis. Aphrodite i usually find best on dash
close your eyes and build zag bow almost exactly like nemesis for maximum damage. Artemis' kit absolutely shines on attack
serene zealot
Does her call count towards heart rend?
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ooooo no idea
static karma
close your eyes and build zag bow almost exactly like nemesis for maximum damage...
I’m not familiar with using nemesis
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but her call is decent all on its own
static karma
Not experienced rather
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ok @static karma basically you're building for crits, more crits, and some crits on top of that
the nemesis classic build is arty attack/aphro special for heart rend
we try to replicate that here, but with an emphasis on aphro dash as that's usually the more useful button to apply weak with when using bow
special aphro caaaaaan be used for zag bow but it's a pretty vestigial button. You don't really touch it
special is a good slot for athena of all people
deadly reversal. and despite zag bow special being as laggy as it is, it has a very wide arc which makes it a good reflector
what you're after as much as anything though are the hammers. Zag bow goes friggin kookoo for coco puffs with some of the hammer options available, particularly ones focused on attack
twin shot, explosive shot, perfect shot, point blank shot, flurry shot, the list goes on
any single one of them will be a big DPS boost. Two in concert turn zag bow into a menace
after that put artemis on attack and build into her kit like hell. Your biggest goal after attack is to get arty dash (if you're not doing aphro) and Marked Target. Both of which will be bigtime dps boosters, again
static karma
Ah okay. How does Hera bow even work? It seems interesting but I know nothing about it
Is aphro cast the best with Hera?
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hera bow is beo but duct taped to Bad Zag Bow
which is to say you have two decent avenues for getting damage across
especially early game
Aphro, posiedon and i want to say dio? are probably casts of choice
maybe athena too?
I don't Hera much
fervent elbow
With Aphro, you don't have the risk to lose your ammo cast far away
serene zealot
Poseidon can be good on Hera if you get some tier 2 boons or sea storm.
It’s the knockback that isn’t always ideal, but it does have a wide area of effect to hit targets nearby
gusty rapids
aphro cast is the best on hera imo
like nephi said, it wont run away from you like phalanx
if you miss
and also has great damage
static karma
Tidal dash does good damage, if it’s Eris cluster bomb and rocket are good
You can stand in rocket blast radius for Eris and get Eris boost
dapper rune
My favorite rail build was Eris with rocket bomb, cluster bomb, and artemis' special. I never used the attack, I just filled the room with explosives until everyone else was dead
chrome girder
Noted
lime jolt
Lol
chrome girder
I don’t have to use my special much
If I’m hestia
?
So what do I do
Just attack boons
cold coyote
Only boobs for attack
My immaturity loves this beyond belief.
lime jolt
That’s what i was laughing at
chrome girder
Auto correct
lime jolt
But hestia you wanna attack reload, and keep doing that
cold coyote
why is boobs in your autocorrect????
lime jolt
And put Artemis on attack
cold coyote
boon is a real word
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Hestia with artemis attack
If you’re gonna do this it’s fine, but it can’t be stressed enough: mentally bind reload to the same key as attack when playing hestia
Otherwise hestia will not feel very good most times lol
dusky drum
^^lol this has happened to me
static karma
If you’re gonna do this it’s fine, but it can’t be stressed enough: **mentally b...
I’ve done Hestia 32 and I had to learn the reload timing
dusky drum
i press attack and almost at the same time press reload to get the nice frames
static karma
Hestia is only weapon I did 32 with so far
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yeah hestia feels like doodoo unitl you learn that no, that’s really the way she plays lol
solid sable
I have 3 ambrosia and 1 titan's blood; should I trade in the ambrosia for titan's blood and unlock aspects?
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Ironically enough, the shotgun hammer is not actually the worst thing for hestia and I will die on that hill
static karma
How far are you in story
chrome girder
So when playing hestia
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I have 3 ambrosia and 1 titan's blood; should I trade in the ambrosia for titan'...
Rule for you: You can safely trade 1 of ~3/4 ambrosia for blood in this game and you’ll be fine
chrome girder
Always reload
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Yes
chrome girder
After every shot?
dusky drum
yea
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Every time you pull the trigger
solid sable
Rule for you: You can safely trade 1 of ~3/4 ambrosia for blood in this game and...
i see
chrome girder
No special
lime jolt
Yep
chrome girder
Just attack
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Work your spacing and gameplay around it
dusky drum
very rarely should you not just reload
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Special is a nice bonus
solid sable
so ill have 2 blood; which aspect to unlock for which weapon
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Cherry on top
lime jolt
Special while reloading
dusky drum
use special for like duo prep
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Empowered attack is the star of the show
lime jolt
Also you need max hestia for it to work
chrome girder
wouldn’t hestia be hard
lime jolt
Fyi
dusky drum
you end up one shotting a lot of asphodel and tart if you build it right
lime jolt
Both the rails are at the top of their respective categories
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if you like
lime jolt
Hestia is god heat.
Eris insanely fast
cloud vault
No special
You can reload and special at the same time to get both effects
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Both are quite powerful ladies
chrome girder
How do I bind attack and reload
static karma
Hestia is very safe and chonky damage
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yes
lime jolt
Yes
chrome girder
I’m on mouse
static karma
I beat EM4 FO2 with Hestia
chrome girder
I put my reload as left click
cloud vault
I have reload on L1. No clue for kbm
solid sable
how do you guys bow-dash shot
static karma
I have reload as L1
chrome girder
Right click*
static karma
I have dash to R1
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how do you guys bow-dash shot
Input both buttons simultaneously early on as a crutch
static karma
So for dash attack I press attack and R1
cloud vault
I was thinking of doing cast on R1 but never did it lol
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You’ll learn the timing as you learn the game
solid sable
Input both buttons simultaneously early on as a crutch
its hard on kb
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It’s what you gotta do brosef :/
solid sable
😔
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If it’s space and m1 for you then that’s what needs to be inputted together
Eventually you will learn the muscle memory
solid sable
what do i do with the other 2 ambrosia?
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But at first that will be an input crutch for you to guarantee the dash attack, which is important for bow play
save them up
You want them for companions
Bouldy first, specifically, imo
Bouldy/Meg OP
Bouldy early game / Meg late game
cloud vault
Sure Bouldy helps with farming s bit
solid sable
Yeah how do you get those two
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Sisyphus / Megara
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Sure Bouldy helps with farming s bit
Bouldy helps when you’re not a super sayain too yet and that healing of his comes in very clutch
cloud vault
The way you get everything is by talking to the characters whenever you can, eventually you get a little side quest to unlock their Ambrosia progression
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esp with darkness regeneration
solid sable
Oh and my Nyx progression is locked
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yeah its all story stuff
solid sable
have to beat hades first right
cloud vault
Some of these will take a while.
spiral badge
Look, real answer. All that stuff, this whole game, it all boils back down to “keep playing and winning”
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100% of answers to “how do I unlock this or that” will sooner or later boil back down to “keep playing”
If you can make the final boss you can beat him
I believe in you!!
solid sable
what determines if Megaera is talking to dusa or is in the lounge at lal?
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RNG
solid sable
If you can make the final boss you can beat him
i got him to phase 2 2 times
one today
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RNG RNG 1000x RNG
solid sable
one yesterday
cloud vault
Also you have to beat Meg for her to show up
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That’s why all the answers are “keep playing”
solid sable
Also you have to beat Meg for her to show up
Sometimes she shows up even if i beat tisiphone or alecto
cloud vault
That counts as a furies fight yeah
cloud vault
Rng
solid sable
Merciful end requires 2 or 4 boons?
cloud vault
2
solid sable
I got divine strike and Curse of agony
cloud vault
But you really want the divine Dash too
solid sable
so why didnt the option pop up
solid sable
But you really want the divine Dash too
yeah i got that aswell
cloud vault
Again, rng
solid sable
Ohhh its not guaranteed
solid sable
icic
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So in brief
solid sable
I usually only get duos once i'm in Styx
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All the rarity tracks roll independently
One after the other
From legendary/duo down
And all have base chances to proc that can be affected by stuff
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you’re young, honestly
cloud vault
Heroic is different
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And yeah that too
solid sable
you’re young, honestly
Yes, only 20 hours in
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Leg boons always have requirements to be aware of
cloud vault
Heroics you get swapped in for epics
cloud vault
There's also Euri and Rare Crop but yeah.
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Specifically those two rare circumstances ^^
solid sable
There aren't any more gods to take boons from after Demeter, right
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No
solid sable
After demeter starts showing up*
solid sable
how do you get god's keepsakes to work in Asphodel?
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same way you do in every other biome
solid sable
I only ever get Hermes or two god's trial
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Put em on