Maybe that’s what I’m thinking of then
#h1-builds-and-combat
serene zealot
dusky drum
yeaaa it says on the wiki
turbid needle
so avoid triple bomb and pray i get cluster
dusky drum
cannot be combined with triple or hazard
dusky drum
yeaaa i mean tbh i dont like hellfire on luci so id take CB regardless
and like yea cluster would be cool, but endless + CB sounds like a trip
dusky drum
i just find it hard to use and considering i have to use so much blood to even try to get it good i just dont see how its worth it
serene zealot
I’ve found Lucifer special less easy to just throw out then the other rails’, maybe cause it’s smaller?
dusky drum
^^and needs to be detonated
serene zealot
Yeah
dusky drum
i dont like dio ;w;
serene zealot
It’s not bad but there’s a bit of a learning curve on how to use it
turbid needle
or deadly flourish
dusky drum
i just find luci bad ngl
dusky drum
like its down there with GY in my mind
well yea but anything in this game is good with the right boons
spiral badge
Gimmicky is an excellent word for Lucy
turbid needle
like zeus on base
spiral badge
I doubted it too
turbid needle
dio or artemis
serene zealot
I’d take it over Hestia, I never remember to reload enough
turbid needle
on special
spiral badge
But certain builds cannot legitimately be called meme builds on Lucy
turbid needle
well yea but anything in this game is good with the right boons
laughs in aspect of arthur
dusky drum
but hestia is its own thing
spiral badge
Fully online super soaker actually..... shreds???
spiral badge
Was not ready for that
dusky drum
Fully online super soaker actually..... shreds???
hehe i had that once
the only fun build ive ever had with luci was super soaker
spiral badge
super soaker is my asterisk as to why I cannot categorically call Lucy bad
It and things like it
I didn’t believe, but i was blown away
turbid needle
aspect of arthur is one of the few aspects that you dont need the necessary boons
to make it op
serene zealot
I loved super soaker Lucifer, but then died to Theseus
dusky drum
yea like the one reason i cant say GY is all that bad is the special builds
turbid needle
its stupid to begin with
dusky drum
aspect of arthur is one of the few aspects that you dont need the necessary boon...
same could be said about rama :3
dusky drum
athena isnt even the best for damage
spiral badge
hestia rama and Arthur are probably the 3 least boon reliant
turbid needle
run demeter/ares/dion
dusky drum
like aphro/arte are much better
spiral badge
Though Arthur suffers the terrible, terrible fate of being a sword
Which means it has no hammers to fall back on to make it shine boonless
Well, 1
lime jolt
With rama you need good hammers
spiral badge
Whereas hestia and rama have, well, gestures widely
dusky drum
With rama you *need* good hammers
no, rama is great
spiral badge
Yeah but 50-60% of bow hammers are attack hammers and they’re fantastic
spiral badge
rama wants at least a hammer or two but you’re going to find that lol
coral cave
People that don't like rama are cringe
lime jolt
^^^
spiral badge
All you need is twin or bouncing shot or literally anything and you’re set
lime jolt
It CHaRGes Up ToO SloWlY
dusky drum
All you need is twin or bouncing shot or literally anything and you’re set
triple + point blank 
spiral badge
Yeah rama technically needs a hammer but is that really a requirement if all the hammers are great lol
coral cave
Explosive + triple
dusky drum
i literally one shot butterfly ball miniboss after setting up shared sufferieng with triple point blank
and i had cp1 since hell mode
it was very funny
serene zealot
Been wanting to give Antos a try, how do y’all use him on Hades? I normally open the fight with Battie, but since Antos is 2 hits, does that still work?
lime jolt
It hits him twice iirc
serene zealot
Provided he doesn’t use darkness I assume
lime jolt
And no skulls
static karma
People that don't like rama are cringe
I love Rama I just suck at using it lol
spiral badge
Hyper sprint is stealth OP with Rama
Being able to take even the slightest hit to the chin while still charging the powershot that evaporates an entire room is an underrated difference maker
burnt breach
what's a good beowulf build? I've been kind of neglecting it since it seems like just a more complicated hera bow
robust anchor
ask in #h1-high-heat-strategies there are a lot of beo fanatics there. wish i could help but i never played it
actually i did try charged flight beo but that requires one specific hammer
vague hearth
I remember hearing that a demeter build for beo was pretty good but that was like
A year ago, it feels
burnt breach
alright so I'm doing a festive fog build and it slaps
i got more cast damage at the very beginning and then just a lot of damage increase so I'm doing like 1400 per rush
then add lightning from scintillating feast and rod
sterile nebula
Can someone explain to me how Athena's ___ Stand boons work with Stubborns?
burnt breach
alright nvm make that like 4k damage per rush lmao nothing else had enough health to really see how much i was doing
sterile nebula
And yeah I noticed today that trippy shot wasn't trippy shot on beowulf (and the cast bow) - it's trippy flare and does more damage
burnt breach
or those last few boons really pushed it over the top
sterile nebula
Playing trippy flare beowulf makes me want to give the cast bow a try
burnt breach
I really like cast bow because you don't really have to worry about hammers, and you can keep your distance
just absolutely powerlevel your cast for big number
artemis never seems to want to give me extra casts tho
i really underestimated lightning rod it was doing some real work
and it'd be better on a different cast too since on Beowulf some of em drop immediately
sterile nebula
Ahhhh that must be where lightning rod shines
Of course I'd probably take lightning rod then immediately take hermes legendary
burnt breach
yeah, by hades i had 5 casts so that's 350 damage per second without me doing anything, and that's without damage modifiers
imagine a lightning rod build with 7 or 8 casts
absolutely insane
i also had zeus legendary idk if it worked with the rods
I'd assume so
oh and double strike
screw it next run is rod run
vague hearth
Now I wanna try that once I finish my eris alcohol-powered bullets run
mighty ermine
Can someone explain to me how Athena's ___ Stand boons work with Stubborns?
if you lose your Stubborn Defiance before picking up an Athena Stand boon, it will "fill in" the empty slot and basically act as a one-use backup DD from the next encounter onward
if you pick it up, but haven't lost your SD, you won't get that extra backup DD, but your SDs will still benefit from the boon effects (more healing, a couple seconds of invuln)
sterile nebula
Oookay that makes sense based on what I saw. Thanks! It's definitely not what the word "replenish" brings to mind though, at least to me
burnt breach
well i ended up with a terrible rod run but a decent arty special run
didn't even get rod until right before heroes lmao
but I'm doing like 600 damage crits with the hammer that makes your special hit more enemies, really good for rooms and not bad for bosses
lean pilot
does the hammer that creates an explosion around you when you catch the shield work with the chaos aspect copies for multiple explosions?
cloud vault
Don't think so, but it would be really neat
half crater
i’m 90% sure it doesn’t
special hammers only work with your “real” shield in every other case
pretty sure i had it recently as well, and i don’t remember it being crazy
still decent tho, since you’re using special a lot
flat garden
chaos shields destruct after hitting anyway so you wont even catch them
lean pilot
never knew they detruct maybe because i always shotgun enemies with a zeus or a crit build, so dissapointing for me ijust had a good run with the hammer but there were so many numbers on my screen from boons i couldnt see what was the explosion
chaos shield do be spammy sometimes
tame zodiac
What's a fun Gilgamesh build?
slim lynx
thunder dash
tame zodiac
Sounds good. Thanks!
fair thorn
honest wing
merciful end is decent
cloud vault
It's a lot more than decent
flat garden
it's run-defining on some weapons
honest wing
oh I was saying the merciful end build on gilgamesh is decent
merciful end as a boon is top tier
magic rivet
Merciful end on Chaos Shield is what I used to beat my first 32 heat
lean pilot
But it's *especially* good on fists
lucifer would like a word with ~750 per doom affect with a rare attack boon
pearl hare
Any tips on what mirror of night upgrades I should change to the yellow version?
serene zealot
I'd switch Gods' Pride to Gods' Legacy, epic boons are useful, but increased chances for duos and legendaries is great.
pearl hare
Yeah I also noticed that, it will be a bit of a grind but probably worth it.
serene zealot
Stygian Soul over Infernal is also good on cast builds, but that one mainly comes down to which you prefer.
hearty mulch
GP is useful on builds which do not rely on Duos or Legendaries
mighty ermine
i'd argue that god's pride is still plenty worth keeping over olympian legacy depending on what you're doing
both are viable in different situations
serene zealot
True
pearl hare
I'll think about it, thank you.
hearty mulch
Stygian Soul over Infernal is also good on cast builds, but that one mainly come...
Ehh... Kinda. Depends on the Cast. For stuff like Ares Cast, Dem Cast and Dio Cast, Stygian Soul is greatly preferred over Infernal Soul, but for the other Casts (i.e the ones that embed themselves into enemies), Infernal Soul is much preferred.
serene zealot
Eh, I ran Hera with Stygian yesterday and it worked well. I was using Poseidon cast with sea storm, and picked up a second from Chaos.
hearty mulch
There are better Casts than either Arti or Athena, though I like picking up Arti Cast simply for Deadly Reversal with Athena
pearl hare
Btw after how many number of wins do you start getting the aspects?
serene zealot
I'm sure using Infernal would have been more damage, but I got mine back fairly fast tbh
hearty mulch
Btw after how many number of wins do you start getting the aspects?
you get Aspects after unlocking all weapons.
pearl hare
you get Aspects after unlocking all weapons.
Oh, well I don't really have a reason now to not use the keys on them since I unlocked the entire mirror
serene zealot
Once you get the last weapon, it's after your next run that triggers the unlock
pearl hare
Currently I have the fists bow and gun left, but only the bow unlocked so far.. I don't really like the bow
hearty mulch
Bow takes some getting used to, but it is a very solid weapon
serene zealot
^
hearty mulch
Can't exactly say the same for Spear on my end, but to each their own, I suppose.
pearl hare
I think maybe varatha might be my favorite, sword second.. then shield and then bow. But I guess I might just fall in love with the gun or the fists.
serene zealot
I really need to learn how to use the spear tbh
I have two clears with it, one was the tenth against Hades and the second Ares dash did all the work. Not sure those count for knowing what I'm doing
pearl hare
I tried defeating Hades like 3 times with the sword and the upgrade that gives you two health each attack.. I knew I wasn't going to win but barely caring about what moves you do in other areas is just fun.
slate granite
what should be my first companion
serene zealot
Skelly's is the easiest to get but I'd recommend Meg's or Sisyphus
pearl hare
I still haven't unlocked any companion but I'm giving thanatos all my nectar.
Does than have a companion? I forgot.
slate granite
Skelly's is the easiest to get but I'd recommend Meg's or Sisyphus
he was the guy tied to the rockl right
hearty elbow
Sisphyus is probably best for newer players. You get free heals and materials
serene zealot
^
pearl hare
I think I would take one that can actually fight Hades.
serene zealot
It's not too hard to get either
slate granite
what does megs companion do
pearl hare
Do they just tell you 'Nope!' when you try to summon them to the Hades fight?
serene zealot
She summons a line of her laser circles that do 2500 damage
serene zealot
Do they just tell you 'Nope!' when you try to summon them to the Hades fight?
Some, at first, yes
pearl hare
Some, at first, yes
Traitors..
magic rivet
what does megs companion do
It's quite fast with a decent range, so it's pretty good
serene zealot
That's why Sisyphus' is good, as his works on Hades from the get go
Same for Skelly's
pearl hare
That's why Sisyphus' is good, as his works on Hades from the get go
by 'get go' you don't mean the others can learn to fight him right?
serene zealot
They can, but he has to grant them permission first
serene zealot
I think it's his fourth heart iirc
So once he lets you give him nectar, it's only time till that convo pops up
pearl hare
Nice, thank you for all the information.
pearl hare
Thank you!
woven ivy
guys how do i stop sucking at the game 😔
i want to get fast times but i feel like im being too offensive
but being less offensive makes me get longer times so i am in a dillema
slim lynx
try watching speedrun videos and imitating what they do
woven ivy
ok i guess for now i will focus more on staying alive
slim lynx
how often they dash, how they dash, how they attack and handle different situations, etc
woven ivy
try watching speedrun videos and imitating what they do
hmmmmmmmmmmm yea i'll try doing that
pearl hare
Any tips on a privileged status bow build? I found the upgrade to be very useful.
serene zealot
All you need is two status curses on an enemy, so however you can get that works.
Attack and special, attack and dash, revenge boons and attack, etc
hearty elbow
The most useful application of PS on Bow I've found is Weak/Doom attack on Chiron + Drunken Flourish. I still wouldn't recommend PS over FF in that case though, but that's the best I've found.
pearl hare
What's drunken flourish
hearty elbow
Hangover special
serene zealot
Everyone offers a curse actually
So going for lightning special and getting jolted also goes towards ps
If you're going ps, the more curses the better basically
serene zealot
Oh! Since doom triggers after a second, if that gives you ps, it will apply to the doom damage btw
pearl hare
oh
serene zealot
So you could hit them with weak, then use move that adds doom
pearl hare
I'll see what happens later on, for now I'll start with Aphrodite
Though using the bow will also be a challenge.. from the pact of punishment it seems I couldn't beat the bull and the prick using it last time
serene zealot
Just keep in mind Artemis' curse (Marked) is the only one that can't be applied on a single target
pearl hare
got it
hearty elbow
Though using the bow will also be a challenge.. from the pact of punishment it s...
EM3 is very challenging until you get used to the new animations. It's significantly harder. And becomes several times moreso once you start playing with Forced Overtime.
pearl hare
I'm just clearing the first 10
serene zealot
Uh, he's not using EM3, he meant the pact showing how far he got
hearty elbow
Oh I was confused from phrasing. Either way I would've recommended turning EM3 off so you're one step ahead of me :3
lost swan
i finally unlocked hidden aspect of rama but not rlly sure how to use it lmao
also am i just imagining it but does the power shot take way longer to charge up than the normal bow
dusky drum
yes it takes longer but youll get used to it
essentially how it works tho is that the special procks what is called "shared suffering"
and how that works is that once they have the little mark above them, any damage dealt to any enemy in the room from your normal attack will deal % damage to the enemy marked
i.e. you mark something, and hit something else, the marked will take a portion of the damage
but it has to come from your normal attack
serene zealot
^^^^^^^^^
dusky drum
and with shared suffering, you have crazy crowd control and crazy damage
serene zealot
The special can spread enough to take rooms of numbskulls on its own if needed, but the goal is to mark with your special then use attack to finish stuff off.
dusky drum
its essentially a free 30-60% damage buff that can hit everything marked
its super good
pearl hare
I think meg just admitted for the first time that I can beat her..
Like the 26 runs where I killed her weren't proof..
Aiming with the bow is so weird.. I'm almost always wrong on where the enemy actually is
hearty elbow
Are you on auto aim?
pearl hare
I.. dont think so
hearty elbow
It's worth checking. Are you keyboard + mouse or controller?
hearty elbow
I see. I can't offer advice from personal experience but from what I've heard you do want Auto Aim off because you can just point at enemies
pearl hare
Is it with other weapons too?
hearty elbow
It's with all weapons with an aiming reticle, yes
pearl hare
I don't really understand, does it mean sword too?
hearty elbow
No, it's only for weapons that have a marker on the ground that shows you where the projectile is going to go. So Bow, Rail, some hammers
pearl hare
Ok, thanks.
lost swan
but it *has* to come from your normal attack
oh it has to come from the normal attack i didn't realize that
lost swan
Ok, thanks.
yea ive heard auto aim can b real finicky on PC cuz it was designed for a controller
pearl hare
Yeah I'm doing badddd
I think I should just get keys so I can unlock the other weapons
lost swan
yea u probs should so much fun can be had in the game experimenting with diff weapons
pearl hare
I just don't like the bow
lost swan
a lot of ppl dont like the bow lmao
pearl hare
I'll get the fists and the gun
pearl hare
Just need to get enough keys
hearty elbow
5 blood for Zag bow is probably the best deal you're going to get for blood vs. power.
dusky drum
zag bow 🤮
pearl hare
Alright I'm dead at Elysium.. I'm never using the bow again
lost swan
yea that's abt right lmao
dusky drum
bow is good tho 
lost swan
it gets better when u unlock the other aspects but it's still my second least fav
least fav is shield cuz i just never rlly liked it for no particular reason
honest wing
should I do hestia crit build or hestia shackle
dusky drum
rail is garbage unless its eris/hestia
dusky drum
should I do hestia crit build or hestia shackle
ummm hestia aphro :3
more consistant numbers
lost swan
which one is the aspect of hestia
dusky drum
and weak is crazy
honest wing
I did a shackle build but my shackle isn't maxed
dusky drum
which one is the aspect of hestia
the "once you reload first bullet is stronk"
honest wing
aight I'll try out hestia aphro just coz
dusky drum
yea i do hestia aphro
lost swan
oh nah i like the eris one more cuz reloading was awkard for me
dusky drum
and my mirror is liek fiery presence and gods pride
dusky drum
oh nah i like the eris one more cuz reloading was awkard for me
you can change contols :3
i did
lost swan
what did u bind reloading to
dusky drum
i put reload as my L button since i dont look at the codex much anymore
im on controller btw
lost swan
ye but i didnt wanna do that i look at my codex all the time so i just went w/ eris
dusky drum
thats fair
lost swan
had a hella good run w/ that aspect too
dusky drum
and i mean until you have companions you can also bind it to that
lost swan
i have companions so no dice
i stick to eris cuz in all hoenstly evne with long range weapons i dont tend to stay very far away from enemies
honest wing
i stick to eris cuz in all hoenstly evne with long range weapons i dont tend to ...
same
lost swan
also what builds do ppl go with w/ the aspect of rama i dont understand what to do with this aspect lmao
dusky drum
yea I should go for more epics right
yep :3
honest wing
I'm doing shackle I dont like aphro
dusky drum
also what builds do ppl go with w/ the aspect of rama i dont understand what to ...
ummm people go for like either heart rend or ps setups
dusky drum
I'm doing shackle I dont like aphro
oh ok
lost swan
heart rend is an aphro duo right?
dusky drum
aphro/arte yea
lost swan
yea that makes sense
honest wing
wait I will get more damage with aphro probably
yea what's wrong with me
it'll scale too
but isn't like deadly strike deadly reversal heart rend better than straight aphro attacks
lost swan
ppl seem to like aphro a bunch but honestly to me i feel like her status effect just isn't useful enough to put on any of my main attacks i only rlly ever go with her for duos or the dash
honest wing
hey @dusky drum with aphro attacks do I take priv stat or no
honest wing
ppl seem to like aphro a bunch but honestly to me i feel like her status effect ...
same tbh
dusky drum
hey <@!348949535072059392> with aphro attacks do I take priv stat or no
umm i generally go for family favorite since its kinda hard to prock ps on hestia
lost swan
prock ps?
pearl hare
I think I'd take a break for the day now
honest wing
ap1 took my ricochet away
it was literally the only reason I was doing hestia
I'll just do without ap1
oh also ruthless reflex or double dash
honest wing
aight
ok so I have aphro attack tidal dash pressure points aphro/pos duo sweet surrender and aphro legendary
just finished the fury
tranquil falcon
i hate this game
i do like 5 chiron runs
fail
switch to hera
then IMMEDIATELY
i get an epic special chaos boon
honest wing
donr you hate it when you completely forget to use your summon
honest wing
I forgot to use it for bosses too
just didn't use it
full five uses left by the end
turbid needle
I think so.
It might have the radius around it as it travels, I haven't grabbed that combo in a while.
slim lynx
that feels like advanced guan yu
burnt breach
i just had that combo, seemed to just be applying on impact but it was hard to tell
had it with a level 21 aphro special haha
didn't have arty but those crits would've been crazy
I've been trying to get a cluster rocket build but I just can't seem to get both hammers at once
honest wing
bruh
burnt breach
i don't think they exclude eachother
burnt breach
if i got hazard bomb i probably would've been doing 1500 per bomb at least lmao
but cluster sounds more fun
wait nvm the damage is additive right
not multiplying
turbid needle
Hazard is multiplicative.
hearty elbow
Hazard says base damage?
turbid needle
Look for "base damage" in upgrade text.
burnt breach
ah ok
hearty elbow
That's dope
burnt breach
cool
turbid needle
Last I took it it did.
burnt breach
i might just try to get a crazy hazard bomb build going too
1 shotting entire rooms lmao
hearty elbow
Hazard Bomb is just good. I wouldn't meme too hard to get it going lol. It doesn't take much
burnt breach
yeah but big number
turbid needle
I'd argue it's one of Hestia's better hammers.
hearty elbow
Just avoid it on Eris lol
burnt breach
hazard bomb crits 
glad void
vague willow
Priviliged status skill from the mirror: Does the red orb you put on enemies also count as a curse effect?
serene zealot
Nope, your cast is separate. Now, if you have a cast that has a curse on it from a boon, yes.
vague willow
thank you!
spiral badge
Nope, your cast is separate. Now, if you have a cast that has a curse on it from...
To be incredibly specific, the red orb “cast stone” effect itself still lives on a separate track. It’s just that now that you have a boon attached to it, any status curse that boon comes with will be tagging along
serene zealot
^
spiral badge
just so you know Manio. Not all cast boons inherently inflict status curses, is what that asterisk is there for
some have it out of the box, some have it as t2 boons, some will never have one like ares
serene zealot
Ares and Artemis should be the only ones who can't give a curse
As Dio's has some duo boons that give curses
turbid needle
True Shot can proc Hunter's Mark, while Trippy Shot requires either Ice Wine or Scintillating Feast + Static Discharge to spread a Status Curse.
None of Ares, Artemis, or Dionysus can directly Curse an enemy with their signature SC hit by their Cast.
pearl hare
Took me until the last room to find the sack in the styx now, I think it was for the better tho.. I just hope I can kill Hades with the bow
did it!
vital granite
I was supposedly playing merciful end demeter fists build, but felt that my damage was a little too low. In the Thanatos room in Elysium I decided to take a look at my boons and to my surprise I had a deadly reversal instead of what I thought was a merciful end. Didn't feel that stupid in a while.
pearl hare
Now I just need to do the fists and the gun, and then to finish all 10 I'll raise the heat up just so I don't get bored.
What god works good with the fists?
pearl hare
Normal one
pearl hare
Alright, thanks.
pallid dagger
Zeus works good with the fists because small damage at a rapid pace benefits more from flat damage boosts than percentages, and Zeus does good crowd control.
same with the gun.
artemis can also be helpful if you feel like it
also, i wanna have a talk with the dude who said poms of power increase the critical hit chance of artemis' boons. that crap ain't true.
spiral badge
I mean..... they kind of do. Meaningfully, even
Just not directly on the attack/special boons
her background kit like marked target and pressure points, on the other hand
quaint lodge
most fun cast builds after artemis for the dislodge sword?
i meant mainly the cast boon part, which one do you like/have fun with?
valid dagger
i meant mainly the cast boon part, which one do you like/have fun with?
I really enjoy playing Poseidon Cast + Mirage shot or Dio Cast + Ice wine, Crush shot is also fun
hearty elbow
I usually end up going Electric Shot or Phalanx Shot aiming for the Lightning Phalanx duo
prime ledge
I got a tough time whenever I fight the bomb twins. Anyone got any tips?
spiral badge
In tartarus?
prime ledge
yeah
spiral badge
Use pillars to your advantage and try to engage one down at a time
prime ledge
Okay
prime ledge
ok
hearty elbow
You more or less can't afford to stop moving. At least until you're familiar with their patterns.
vague hearth
i meant mainly the cast boon part, which one do you like/have fun with?
My favourite cast build is demeter's mobile laser platform build using stygian soul. If you can get glacial glare to a high level, the artemis demeter duo boon, and some more casts with chaos or artemis, it is deadly
turbid needle
The whole "8-plus Crystals on the ground at all times" just really puts a damper on anything's ability to fight back.
I only wish we could get Flurry Cast if we've picked up multiple permanent Bloodstones.
lime jolt
At high heat it does too 🙂
spiral badge
It’s just not a guarantee you’ll make it to the point where it does lol
lost swan
My favourite cast build is demeter's mobile laser platform build using stygian s...
if u stick to it Demeter's cast goes from OK to truly broken cuz you don't even have to FIGHT the bosses and minibosses you just spam A and dash around the screen lmao
vague hearth
Yeah, I beat EM4 with it shockingly easily
It's also the only justification for arctic blast I've seen because of how fast chill racks up
lost swan
I'm just praying for a run where I can get a broken cast run with the arti duo boon and Hermes legendary cuz then I could really just peace out of the entire fight
vague hearth
I did in my last one
It was achilles aspect
And I had 4 casts
Legit the perfect run
But I hadn't reached 10 heat so I didn't get the satisfaction of truly vaporising hades
lost swan
sometimes RNGesus just blesses u
vague hearth
Speaking of which
I think EM4 might allow you to take the most damage in one hit
Unless trap boosts stack multiplicatively
Because getting hit by ||cerb|| hits you for 100 without boost
lost swan
wut
vague hearth
Yeah, I was about to lose the run so I decided to find out how hard he hits for
I died.
lost swan
I haven't unlocked that nor am I planning to but Cerberus is in that fight?
vague hearth
Legit?
lost swan
also holy hell what kinda damage is that
vague hearth
It's the most fun I've ever had in hades
At the very least, give EM4 a try
It's easily my favourite fight in the game now
lost swan
yea but I can hardly get past EM2 without running straight into lava
lost swan
like if I'm using the fists is it even possible to attack without taking magma damage
vague hearth
If you're careful, probably
But yeah, without boost, 100 damage
With burning blood and the maximum damage pact?
That's gonna look more like 400 damage
flat garden
like if I'm using the fists is it even possible to attack without taking magma d...
just attack when lernie is over ground and not over magma lol
which is easier said than done
lost swan
is he like. ever over ground
also it's rlly hard to dodge when there's barely any ground to stand on and every time i dash i end up in lava but thanks for the tip
flat garden
in my experience lernie is always over ground after switching phases
lost swan
ok ok
flat garden
i think it's because i stand on the bottom island
lost swan
ok
lost swan
yea im guessing i ust kinda have to tank the lava damage but like. what if u also have the pact of punishment thing on where u take a ton of damage from traps?? then that fight becomes like an instant death trap lmao
flat garden
if youre taking hs at low heat idk what to tell u lol
its a bad one to take
i only take it if i'm trying to get a time pb or if i'm at high heat (around 36+)
lost swan
no im not taking it lmao
i totally couldn't do that even w/o EM2 cuz i am incredibly uncoordinated
prime ledge
What is the best weapon? I mainly use the sword and sometimes the shield
I dont have the spear yet
prime ledge
What performs best
turbid needle
Current speedrun WR is the gun.
flat garden
subjective.
turbid needle
I think every weapon has had a turn at #1, though.
The best weapon is the one you like the most.
prime ledge
What is good for tartarus'
turbid needle
All of them.
flat garden
but there are some that perform better than others for speedruns or high heat.
however they're all pretty balanced.
prime ledge
Im stuck on meg any good tips for her?
flat garden
i'd say rama or eris are two of my favourites
static karma
Im stuck on meg any good tips for her?
Observe her attack patterns, don’t stay close to her all the time. There is a cool down after a lot of her attacks, that’s your chance
For the bullet hell the further you are the easier the bullets are to avoid, they are also destructible by any of your attacks
And deflect abilities work well against that attack, too
Her bullets go in a straight line, if you are between them and aren’t hit then if you stay there that’s good
prime ledge
Okay thanks I might try to get some powers for deflecting
I might use shield or sword if I feel confident
static karma
Athena has deflect boons, divine dash is the best boon in the game in general
Shield is a good weapon, sword is harder to fight with
prime ledge
Yeah because sword is lacking in range
static karma
But the sword’s special can destroy projectiles around you if you time it right
prime ledge
Hmm
static karma
Also you should lodge a cast in her so your attacks get bonus damage from boiling blood
That way you do more damage when you find those openings, even if your cast doesn’t have a boon to help its damage lodging one in her for boiling blood helps
serene zealot
Athena has deflect boons, divine dash is the best boon in the game in general
While that may be, one shouldn’t get too reliant on it.
static karma
While that may be, one shouldn’t get too reliant on it.
Very, very true, it is a crutch.
It is a good boon but it’s worth knowing how to dodge without it too
serene zealot
^
static karma
Also it’s not an excuse to play recklessly which I need to remember more myself
serene zealot
That’s a mood
static karma
Also, hope I’m not posting too much but dashing has invincibility frames (Zagreus is invincible during most of the dash animation). Dash attacking ends the I frames as soon as you hit the attack button, but you can dash through projectiles and attacks
Dashing without dash attacking is called “empty dashing”
That can help with the bullet hell especially if you don’t have divine dash for example
Think of dashing like almost a short range teleport (if you notice, dashing actually lets you phase through objects like pillars)
If any better player contradicts me listen to them though 😛
But it’s very important to know that dash attacking is much less safe than dashing without attacking.
Hope I’m making sense
serene zealot
This all sounds correct to me
spiral badge
It is. thats a good summation of the important difference between dashing and dash attacking
lime jolt
Dash i frames are very pog at ||hades||sweeps
static karma
If they haven’t beaten Meg they don’t know about the final boss so that’s spoilers I think?
Just to be safe
static karma
I actually don’t know the policy but mods make me paranoid lol
flat garden
yeah spoilers r allowed
i think its just common courtesy to spoiler stuff the other person hasnt gotten to yet
lime jolt
Yeah
flat garden
though they really should go to #h1-for-new-players instead lol
static karma
Also, keep in mind what boons suit what kinds of attacks. Fast attacks with low base damage generally like stacking boons like Dionysus’s attack/special or boons with their own base damage like Zeus’s attack or special (Zeus special is not as good with Chiron because of cool down, though). Slow attacks with high base damage like percentage increases like Aphrodite or Artemis on sword attack or bow attack. Doom is also good for this purpose. Dionysus boons would be bad on sword attack or special, for example, because you won’t be attacking fast enough to apply the stacks before most normal enemies die or fast enough for hangover to do meaningful damage to enemies.
burnt breach
god theseus makes me so mad sometimes
static karma
I say this because killing Meg faster with a good build makes it easier too
burnt breach
especially when he calls on demeter
static karma
(This is for whoever asked about Meg)
dusky drum
essentially low base loves flat numbers and high base loves %s
and thats a rule of thumb for any rpg too
static karma
^^^^^^^
odd turret
athena is pog aphrodite is not
dusky drum
ExCuSe ME
dusky drum
i mean yea aphro kinda underwhelming besdies the thicc damage much like herself
dusky drum
^^and thats luck based
yeaa
athena has deflect tho which is great for survivability and shreds witches
static karma
Weak helps vs bosses, Athena is all around an awesome god though
dusky drum
i just like aphro more since weak is epic and s t r o n k
dusky drum
pppfffttt sometimes i dont think it does have a dash attack
dusky drum
I feel like on rail pos > arte
for sure yea
but for a majority of the weapons
arte > pos
since most of em are physical
that stuff is better for athena/arte/zeus
turbid needle
The rail does have a Dash-Strike, but it's super minimal.
Just one round that fires at a way higher RPM then back to normal.
Rail Attack is exclusively a vehicle for Zeus or Dionysus, but with Zag Aspect and Spread Fire you can do most traditional Attacks like Artemis and Aphrodite, Hestia also works with those, and with Lucifer you can do %+ builds too, also a really memey Sea Storm build with Poseidon.
prime ledge
I beat meg and the 2nd level is soo hard with the lava ;-;
serene zealot
Be careful where you dash, magma damage can rack up fast if you’re not aware.
dusky drum
what i recommend is just watching your step really
prime ledge
I was doing deflect dash and drunk normal attack to beat meg
I had both at like lvl 4
serene zealot
What weapon?
serene zealot
Oooo
dusky drum
dio attack is a tad strange ngl
not the best option
but athena dash is arguably one of the best boons in the game
serene zealot
I wouldn’t have picked it but it can work
^
Shield defense plus Athena deflect is just nice
prime ledge
I would basically dash around then charge dash into meg then whack a bit so I mainly played with the drunk boon
Get the poison damage
serene zealot
Do you have anything on your special?
serene zealot
If you can get Ares or Zeus, they’re both pretty good
prime ledge
Can you give me more simplified versions? (i.e spear, bow)
I get confused with names and stuff
I mean I just started today
so idk
prime ledge
Oh
I am not really going to main it but I might use the fist weapon or glove it looks cool but I need 2 more keys
Im currently using spear
Since I just got it
serene zealot
I enjoy every weapon, I find switching to whatever has dark thirst (the purple glow) is fun and keeps it interesting.
As for spear, hm.
Ares on special for the doom is all I can think of, most options should be good.
prime ledge
Yeah exploding special dominates
serene zealot
Do keep in mind you can dash before releasing your spin attack btw
prime ledge
ok
prime ledge
Spear is super good
dusky drum
especially since serrated edge exists as a hammer
static karma
I enjoy every weapon, I find switching to whatever has dark thirst (the purple g...
This is what I did mostly until I stopped needing darkness
Which takes a while
serene zealot
I’ve stopped needing it for the most part but it’s still fun to switch
static karma
I’m trying to do high heat with my weapons which is the main reason I’m not switching now
serene zealot
I dread going for the one theme that needs it tbh
static karma
It’s cosmetic so i just let the darkness pile up now
serene zealot
True
static karma
But I did max both sides of mirror
serene zealot
Yeah
That wasn’t too bad
A bunch of 0 heat runs helped, I was learning aspects anyway
static karma
Any tips for the extreme measures 4 fight? I only won twice ever, but I usually cant beat that fight, and I could use any advice, particularly in dodging since his attacks seem much faster
static karma
I could really use advice on beating EM4
weak sequoia
i wanted to try a run with the fists what shud i focus on mostly for boons?
honest wing
zues attack works well
man I haven't done a shield run in so long shield used to be my main I just do a little beowulf here and there what are some good chaos shield/zeus shield stuff that one my not already know about
like what do people even do with chaos shield other than ares special
weak sequoia
what is beo i keep hearing it
is it an aspect?
honest wing
it's the hidden aspect on shield
honest wing
idk for attack builds ig breaching cross is nice and the one that keeps you sturdy while attacking is nice
even the concentrated one
static karma
which part you have most trouble on?
Where it goes dark
Trying to keep track of where he is
Sometimes dodging Cerberus too
And out damaging heal
Also do I kill the adds first phase or ignore them or what
What should I keep in mind boon selection wise for EM4?
opal lodge
fringe summit
Thanks! Going to give it a try
fringe summit
Yeah i just got Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish
Dire Misfortune as well which is nice i guess
fringe summit
Also, if i swap to Ares Keepsake after first boss, will that guarantee a Ares Boon as well? Or does it only work from the start?
flat garden
it works per region
and it only works once
so if you have athena's keepsake, youre guaranteed 1 athena boon at the start of tart
then you switch to ares', youre guaranteed 1 ares boon at the start of asph
pearl hare
Guys I got 22 titan blood, any very good aspects to buy?
flat garden
what wep do u like
fringe summit
When you get so absolutely freaking scuffed on a run that you cant even beat Bone Hydra good lord
humble thicket
I tried Lucifer rail for the first time last night and I struggled a bit but after I got 3 lasers upgrade + infinite ammo with Poseidon boon and crystal beams from Demeter it was a breeze.
woven ivy
guys what are some good builds for arthur?
also kinda confused what hallowed ground does
pearl hare
Ah I'm melting everyone right now with a festive fog cast build
woven ivy
good luck
pearl hare
Just melted him, awesome build
Also first time I turned up the heat and got to see the new furies fight, 7th win now, just 3 more to go
humble thicket
Festive fog is really nice
limber cloak
guys what are some good builds for arthur?
artemis attack, with aphro special. go for heartrend
hallowed ground (at max arthur) makes enemies and all projectiles 40% slower when they are in the aura and makes them deal 40% less dmg to you while they are in the aura
limber cloak
another fun build with arthur is to go backstab crazy. get athena attack, and get exposed from athena. try to get backstab bonus from chaos, and then just backstab everyone to insta kill them
woven ivy
im not that good at backstabs yet so imma go for heart rend build
limber cloak
also, with arthur, you can charge up your attack, per se. So you can press the attack button then quickly dash forward once or twice to attack after the dashes
this is very helpful since arthur's attack animation is slow
arthur can also do a boonless run very well. it has the highest base dmg in the game
woven ivy
yup i noticed it was basically one shotting everything in tartarus
woven ivy
also, with arthur, you can charge up your attack, per se. So you can press the a...
is this the wide slash it does after about 3 attacks?
limber cloak
no, for every attack
and even for special
you can dash forward after pressing attack
try practicing this on skelly
you can also do this with other swords, but it is harder
woven ivy
so attack, dash, attack?
fringe summit
I seriously dont understand the God Keepsakes. I have the Ares one equipped, but got the Hammer on start
I did get 1 Ares door in between, but the Keepsake is still not expired
So what does it actually do?
flat garden
it guarantees the first boon you find is an ares boon
if you don't take the ares door when there's a choice, that guarantee is still kept
lime jolt
Yeah with arthur to you can connect your attacks with dashes so that you dont get hit
pearl hare
I had 950 coins at the final shop, I'm a shopping addict now
cloud vault
It's great on Hestia
hearty mulch
high confidence is good if you know what the heck you're doing
for Any Heat speedruns it is far preferred over Thick Skin.
lime jolt
^^^
surreal creek
i have been gone from hades for a while and im looking to get back into it. so can i dm someone to talk about build and stuff like that?
real spire
I would say that it is best to disscuss w/ multiple people
you end up getting more opinions on builds and whatnot that way
honest wing
I would say mess around with the weapons and stuff to find what you like first yourself
surreal creek
ok so. i have the chaos shield lv 4, hera bow lv 2 and eris gun lv 2. i also have 6 titan blood atm. whats an easy reliable build i could use?
honest wing
chaos shield with ares doom on the special works pretty well and is reliable
hearty elbow
3 more blood into Chaos should be pretty reliable. Hera works at every level.
Thunder Flourish is the most common option on Chaos but Doom and Hangover also work.
honest wing
hera works trippy shot pretty good too
hearty elbow
Try Crush with Infernal Soul
surreal creek
ok so i think ill go for ares chaos shield. and whats the optimal way to do heat? like heat 5 then get the other weapons to heat 5? and like have them catch up every 5 heat?
hearty elbow
Trippy with Stygian is all right but you do go pretty slow relatively
Shrug, no real optimal, just play what you feel comfortable with and try out different pacts
surreal creek
ok. for ares shield with doom on special what do i aim to get on other stuff? any duo boons? like what keepsakes do i use in asphodel and elysium?
hearty elbow
I guess you could go for Merciful End by getting Divine Strike but it's not that good on Chaos. Doom doesn't really scale nearly as well as Lightning or Hangover. It just has way better base damage.
surreal creek
im on like heat 4-5 atm so i dont think it really needs to scale or be strong on high heat
so your saying i should get lightning or what?
hearty elbow
Not really even talking about heat. I just meant how well other boons interact with it to scale their damage
Lol, it's fun to make lots of big numbers come up on the screen for anyone
surreal creek
ahahaha. but which build would u recommend?
hearty elbow
I personally go with Thunder Flourish pretty much exclusively, it's a lot easier to play than Drunken Flourish since you need to shotgun enemies to apply the 5 Hangover stacks reliably
surreal creek
and what does thunder flourish entail?
hearty elbow
It scales with other Zeus boons, so you're looking for Static Discharge, and Double Strike or less ideally High Voltage, both of which are pre-reqs for Splitting Bolt.
If you get Static Discharge, Demeter has the Cold Fusion duo, which is amazing
If you get Trippy Shot, you get access to Scintillating Feast.
If you have Infernal Soul and Artemis, you get access to Lightning Rod. Artemis can also give you Pressure Points, which allows Lightning to crit.
Ares is probably my favorite. Putting Curse of Agony on your attack gives you a great secondary source of damage, and if you get Heaven's Vengeance or Curse of Vengeance, you will qualify for Vengeful Mood, which isn't necessary by any means but is very fun.
Your special with Thunder Flourish also hits a lot of times, especially if you get Static Discharge/Double Strike/Splitting Bolt, so Calls are a lot better than normal (especially since Chaos' baseline damage is not that impressive). You're a shield, so defensive calls aren't as appealing, though Dionysus', Zeus' Aid, and Poseidon's are all very good
surreal creek
ok so i start with zeus boon. then depending on what i get i then decide between ares boon, artemis boon, dio boon and demeter boon?
hearty elbow
Yeah, it's really flexible that way. If you get Tempest Strike + Tidal Dash, you can also go Sea Storm, which is very fun and also does a lot of damage.
It doesn't have to be just Tempest Strike either, use the Codex to look up pre-reqs
surreal creek
ok. and if i forget what to go which boon should i take in asphodel?
honest wing
you dont really want tempest strike tho, coz even without it the shield base attack does knockback which triggers sea storm
hearty elbow
Take the keepsake of the god you want to get a Duo in.
The rarity will make Duos 10% more likely
surreal creek
ok. and then what in elysium if i get the duo boon in asphodel?
hearty elbow
you dont really want tempest strike tho, coz even without it the shield base att...
Yeah, I always want Tidal Dash for this but would prefer Flood Shot or Poseidon's Aid to qualify
honest wing
oh does tidal dash not count as a prereq
hearty elbow
Especially early on (and late on too), I take defensive keepsakes in Elysium and Styx. So Tooth, Acorn
honest wing
coz thunder dash counts
hearty elbow
Yeah, Sea Storm isn't pretty much a guarantee anymore on Eris lol
At least they didn't gut it like Merciful End and Deadly Reversal (for some reason)
hearty elbow
They didn't nerf any of them, they nerfed how consistent they are to get
honest wing
yea I mean the pre reqs
it's basically that divine dash doesn't count
which is sad
hearty elbow
I understand removing Divine Dash from ME and DR. You should not be rewarded further for taking Divine Dash. It's already one of the best boons in the game in a vacuum, and virtually every build wants to have it just because
I just don't understand removing Phalanx Shot, Athena's Aid, etc.
honest wing
probably didnt want inconsistencies idk
hearty elbow
Shrug. My guess (for ME at least, I think they did DR this way for the reason you mentioned) is that they recognized it was a huge mistake to make ME the way they did, and wanted to lock it behind terrible requirements to not make people feel like they HAVE to get ME to get a successful run.
You power trip pretty heavily on ME but I wouldn't say it's that fun. You just dash at stuff and it instantly dies.
serene zealot
Honestly, with Athena's aid, you could just attack with however you're applying doom and let the call trigger ME by just standing there. On a fists run, that'd be very broken.
hearty elbow
I think you used to be able to do that with Pom Slices
surreal creek
@hearty elbow hey so. im done with tertarys but didnt get any of those boons other than thunder flourish. so what do i aim for now?
honest wing
Honestly, with Athena's aid, you could just attack with however you're applying ...
i dont think athena's aid does any damage
serene zealot
It has that shield around you, all it'd have to do is deflect something
hearty elbow
If I don't get any of those, if you have Static Discharge, take Demeter's keepsake, if you don't, aim for Curse of Agony with Ares' keepsake
surreal creek
i did get curse of agany i now realize
hearty elbow
Oh, also I forgot to mention, if you get any core Aphro boon, you qualify for Smoldering Air, which is probably the best duo in the game after the Merciful End nerf.
But that applies for every build
hearty elbow
So yeah, you already qualify for Smoldering Air. If you get any call (except Artemis and Ares) you'll be able to use it around every 5 seconds
Artemis and Ares work but they're not really ideal. Artemis wants to hit Greater Call and Ares is meh
surreal creek
so now i keep zeus boon to get some of the boons that up ightning dmg or zeus/aophro duo right?
hearty elbow
Shrug, yeah, as you mentioned, at low heat you don't really need to optimize, I suggested Thunder Flourish because depending on what the run gives you you can go in like a million different directions and still scale your damage.
surreal creek
ok
hearty elbow
In a vacuum, either Rare+ or pommed Static Discharge with Thunder Flourish should be enough to finish a run. All of the other stuff is a lot of gravy
turbid needle
i have a question, if using artemis special with gilgamesh fists maim can crit?
serene zealot
That probably requires pressure points if it can crit at all
hearty elbow
No. Definitely not at least from just having Deadly Flourish. What I do not know is if Pressure Points/Deadly Reversal/Hunter's Mark allows Maim to crit
turbid needle
ok thanks
honest wing
it technically should if it doesn't it's a bug
also I did not know that hunter's mark is global crit chance, I always thought it affected thing that already had a crit change and gave them even higher crit change
hearty elbow
Lol, it'd be a weird balance choice to make, nerfing Maim to keep Gilgamesh under control 
honest wing
also they should buff hunter's mark imo make it like every hit with an artemis boon there is a chance of marking instead of on crits
coz crits are already reltively unlikey
hearty elbow
Hunter's Mark snowballs very easily
If you apply it once you should have it on something for the rest of the encounter
Lol, the first iteration allowed the mark to be placed on the target you crit... which pretty much trivially allowed any build to hit crit cap with 1 boon.
weak sequoia
whose duo boon is that which caps ur god gauge at 25% but recharges at 1% eevry 0.2 seconds i think
Like which 2 gods was it
flat garden
aphro zeus
lime jolt
That is one of the best duo boons in the game
flat garden
that combined with billowing strength is a chef's kiss duo of boons
weak sequoia
i got that and athena aid and on top of those 2 i got hermes 20% dodge chance anddddd bonus 30% dodge chance after using call
like
i was invincible
and i had guan yu spear
so heal too was there
weak sequoia
i dont like the charged call coz the movement annoys me
hybrid fractal
What weapon would be best for trying to basically build a tank?
ashen heart
shield
hybrid fractal
does that presume I can block effectively tho
serene zealot
And then Athena boons
turbid needle
arthur
serene zealot
That too
hybrid fractal
thank you!
weak sequoia
i want to try out exagryph for first time any boon suggestions?
um i just started a run with zeus keepsake and what i got posiedon and ge gives me his legendary for fishing........
robust anchor
i think rail loves zoos attack
lime jolt
yep
strange lark
yeah zoos is pretty good
sour temple
To Powershot with Rama Bow with Explosive shot you need to charge the shot for more that 2.5 seconds
dusky drum
yea thats why i never take explosive
pearl hare
Just lost a run because I fought Charon for the first time, WORTH IT!
surreal creek
just to make sure. zeus chaos shield is the best chaos shield build right?
serene zealot
Zeus on attack or special?
surreal creek
special ofc. its a chaos shield build
fringe summit
Guys, what weapon + build do you suggest to try to get my first freaking clear?
dusky drum
Guys, what weapon + build do you suggest to try to get my first freaking clear?
do you have aspects unlocked??
fringe summit
Just a few, and also have a small bit of Titan Blood
serene zealot
special ofc. its a chaos shield build
Then potentially, yeah, if you get double strike.
A sea storm special build could also be good, or something based around Heart rend
fringe summit
well what aspects do you have then??
Well you have Zagreus aspect for every weapon right?
surreal creek
@serene zealot is there another build u would recommend more=
dusky drum
zeus on special for zeus shield is a good build
fringe summit
That's the only extra Aspect i have
dusky drum
ummm if you want more cast builds i reccomend posiedon sword/hera bow
both very strong weapons without needing much blood dumped into them
and for first clear id say go for those :/
serene zealot
Honestly, I can't think of any but you could just see what rng gives you
dusky drum
depends on how you play honestly, since if you like shield then yea a zeus on zeus build would be good
sword works with just about anything
serene zealot
And yeah, what Plum says regarding Hera
dusky drum
bow you want aphro attack generally and just high damage
serene zealot
Easy to get high burst damage with it
pearl hare
I got like 26 titan blood but I'm so scared of wasting it on something bad..
dusky drum
spear idk tbh
dusky drum
I got like 26 titan blood but I'm so scared of wasting it on something bad..
bruh that can buy you every aspect i think
pearl hare
bruh that can buy you every aspect i think
Not upgrade them tho
dusky drum
yea but at least get all of them
so you have a bit to play and go off of for deciding what you like the most and upgrade that3
pearl hare
Yeah maybe I should
serene zealot
Doing so goes towards a prophecy anyway
pearl hare
Oh
dusky drum
some require more dedication to be good like the rail ones, chiron, chaos shield
but some like the cast weapons dont need much blood at all to be great
pearl hare
I tried the stygian drop the bloodstones, I tried to get artemis bloodstone detach damage boon but I didn't and it went bad.
Maybe I'll just wait until I get 300 titan blood..
dusky drum
hhhh
hoarding isnt good in roguelites
best to have all of the options open to you
and every aspect is usable and good
some easier to use some not
pearl hare
Yeah Ik
pearl hare
I think I'll try some of the shield ones
dusky drum
chaos takes till imo lvl 3 to be decent
zeus is good right out of the box
and beo is also good right away
pearl hare
Alright, thanks.
serene zealot
Chaos works well enough at level 2 if you're short on blood
But yeah, level 3 is when you can feel the difference
dusky drum
bow id say hera is the best right away but chiron starts being great around 3-4th level and rama is just amazing
sword both are good right out but pos is better
spear both take lots of blood to be good
same with fist and rail
they just take more blood
serene zealot
Eris and Demeter are still good at level 1 if you're struggling with the zag version of the weapon
dusky drum
yea and tbh any aspect is better than zag aspect imo
serene zealot
Yeah, they have their uses but they're the basic kit for a reason
turbid needle
Unless you're using a specific Special build Zag Fists are better than Demeter.
Any Attack-centric build doesn't benefit from Giga Cutter but does benefit from the dodge chance.
serene zealot
True, but Demeter can help with learning to use your special. Even if you're focused on your attack, it's good to know how both moves work.
ember mica
If I’m trying to fish for certain legendaries, is it better to use fated persuasion or authority?
turbid needle
Foresight, additional Duos/Legendaries, Persuasion.
serene zealot
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FP is what you want if you want certain boons, FA is for getting certain gods as options.
lime jolt
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turbid needle
Dark Foresight may be the most important part of this. Without it or Fated Authority you'll struggle just to get the boons you're chasing. Lost count the number of times I'd Keepsake Slicing Shot or Lightning Strike and then never see Ares or Zeus the rest of the run.
ember mica
I still don’t really get the point of FA cuz it doesn’t guarantee you get the boons you want, so then there’s little point in getting the gods imo
turbid needle
You can brute force stuff.
ember mica
Is there an example of a build where you’d use FA? Maybe that’ll help me realize
turbid needle
If you just keep throwing Artemis at your kit when you've already got Deadly Strike and a Weak applicator there's a decent chance Heart Rend will eventually show up.
You could try running Olympian Favor and Fated Authority, get a slightly stronger base.
proven osprey
Is there an example of a build where you’d use FA? Maybe that’ll help me realize
Persuasion is just much better
turbid needle
But Dark Foresight and Fated Persuasion is just too strong.
lime jolt
Dark foresight is the most important imo
ember mica
Yeah it’s too good to give up
How important is the rarity for boons? Idk how much of an impact that actually has cuz I don’t know enough about how % stacking works between weapons and boons and other stuff
turbid needle
More important for whole numbers than percentage boons, I'd say.
ember mica
Like ares and Zeus
turbid needle
Common Deadly Strike isn't great but there are a lot of ways to supplement that.
Exactly.
And going from Common to Epic isn't the 50% multiplicative power boost that is Common to Epic Lightning Strike.
ember mica
Oh boy that’s a big difference
turbid needle
10 -> 15 damage.
Poms do not scale with rarity, that was something I only found out shortly before 1.0.
I used to think each one scaled a certain amount. Leveling Common Thunder Flourish increases damage by 12, or 40% of its 30 base damage. So Epic should be 45 -> 63, right? Nope.
ember mica
So that means poms are comparatively more effective on common boons
turbid needle
I guess?
ember mica
In relation to the damage in a vacuum, but the number still increases, which is just as effective
I’m complicating thing
But that helps a lot thanks!
turbid needle
No problem!
sour temple
I'm sure poms are more effective on Epic boons than commons
turbid needle
The way all the math works out may end with that, but in terms of raw numbers, no. Lightning Strike always goes up 4 points of damage with level 2, Deadly Strike goes up 8%, and Flood Shot goes up 36 points of damage.
fringe summit
Finally got my first clear. With the shield. Tried to go for an Zeus build but ended up almost completely Athene + Dionysus
Please tell me you don't have to do that slow walk through the snow everytime you clear the game
fringe summit
Thank god
sour temple
did you go on the cliff to see the sunrise?
manic willow
I’m using FA and no dark foresight so I can get me nectar up fellas
I just want people to know I love them ||and to finish that epilogue quest||
stone escarp
when you spam specials that fast it counts as consecutive hits to the game
and the damage is exponential
dusky drum
nice
stone escarp
I did the fight twice just to record it
dusky drum
what was the hermes rarity??
dusky drum
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stone escarp
which is probably why it worked
you can see Hades' health just disappear into the next phase at some points during this
even though like, the hits before were smaller individually
it just multiplied
I had relentless volley as well
so the base damage for each arrow was probably nearing like, 80s
dusky drum
ah yea sea storm setup is also fun :3
stone escarp
yeah and relentless volley lets sea storm and support fire proc three times instead of twice
dusky drum
well good job!
stone escarp
also I realize the cerberus summon got completely skipped
dusky drum
i dont have the audacity to do em4 yet
stone escarp
he went from 50 to 0
dusky drum
oh yea it did huh