but hestia is the bestia
#h1-builds-and-combat
jaunty locust
because it does big burst damage?
tough ridge
it says it EMPOWERS shot, is it just 1 bullet or all of it?
opal lodge
you have a long range sniper that can one shot enemies from off screen
jaunty locust
...if I'mr eally trying to get a LOT of boons from one specific god, like if I"m doing a poseidon build, I probably want to go with authority, right? so I can try and shuffle away gods I don't want?
opal lodge
that is quite good when enemies can also one shot you
jaunty locust
oh, I didn't realize it did that much extra range
opal lodge
for reference check out crepes' 57 heat hestia clear
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Hestia is one of the safest weapons in the game
opal lodge
you just dont have to deal with the same problems melee range aspects do
jaunty locust
How bad is poseidon with the various bow types? I feel like either beign able to send everybody in all directions with rama, or being able to nail them to the wall a hundred times with chiron would be very fun
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And one of the strongest candidates for the shackle
jaunty locust
bow thirsty, unsure what I want to pick with it
opal lodge
yeah thats a good point
hestia is a very nice combo of self reliant and safe
it has extremely high base damage without any boons
eris on the other hand is super overpowered and strong, but relies in the 75% boost to empower other boons
cant do that if you cant get boons
jaunty locust
75% on base rail is not THAT huge of a deal
75% on a horrifying zeus or dionysus death buzzsaw
is a huge deal
jaunty locust
Who's good for chiron? I feel like I want to go dio? but if I'm doing rupture and pushing people around, do I want poseidon? Let me find out the bad way
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Hestia just largely doesn’t give a damn about heat
opal lodge
so is arty
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It shrugs off 32 like it’s not even there
jaunty locust
because it just pumps your damage a lot?
opal lodge
wym
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Hestia just GNFs when it has everything taken away from it
It just takes it on the chin and keeps ticking
No boons needed
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Who's good for chiron? I feel like I want to go dio? but if I'm doing rupture an...
Dio and aphrodite are a good Chiron combo. Posiedon dash is great for bow, and posiedon call is great in general
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The real Chiron wombo combo is aphro attack, Dio special, then an Ares curse if you find one
quiet tide
Can never aim right with Poseidon call tbh, except for when I get to go back and forth with a stationary enemy
opal lodge
there isnt really a build for hestia
cant go wrong with deadly strike
aphro special
heart rend
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Hestia is mostly hammers tbh
opal lodge
tidal dash for aoe, hunter dash for more single target damage
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Ricochet shot is amazing on hestia
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And I might die alone on this hill but I actually think hestia weirdly works great with spread shot if you don’t find one of the s-tiers
I’ve also heard exploding shot talked about well for hestia
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Hestia is a really one-trick aspect so the things you care about really revolve around pumping up one stat, your attack
Which is why arty/aphro/chaos are the real go to-s for hestia
quiet tide
How much does maxed out Hestia do with the empowered show again?
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150 base
quiet tide
Wow
Oneshots thugs, I'll try it next time I get Exagryph
Armored Numbskulls seem like a pain though, I might want to get a Zeus attack just in case. You can't get his chain lightning on attack and an Aphro attack at the same time though, can you though?
Probably not, even though they shouldn't necessarily interfere. I guess I'll have to get good at Exa special
quiet tide
Is there any good way of dealing with swarms, then? Divine Dash should cover splitters and other witches
Actually, forgot Zeus cast was a thing for a second. I'll see if I can go for that
Also, I was thinking Zeus attack so I could just use Hestia like regular Exagryph for those Skulls, but still a bad idea if I can't get any other attack buffs
worldly pier
No love for Hestia Deadly reversal ? ^_^
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No love for Hestia Deadly reversal ? ^_^
Oooo this 👀
opal lodge
DRs such a weird boon
ranges from best duo in the game to nonexistent dependent on room/mob rng
jaunty locust
...as someoen who likes shmups, I feel like ruthless reflex might be worth a try...
'cuz of like, graze synergy
sour temple
graze ?
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...as someoen who likes shmups, I feel like ruthless reflex *might* be worth a t...
RR is kind of bad outside of really specific builds like hestia, Arthur and Gilga :(((((
jaunty locust
how come? Is there just not enough stuff that you can dodge through with one swipe?
uhh, in a lot of shmups, you get bonuses to damage or score if you're "grazing" enemy bullets, as in having them very very close to your hurtbox, so it rewards you intentionally being right up against enemy attacks
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It’s just that 2 dashes are so powerful in this game
Especially once heat starts to ratchet up
Mobility is your strongest all-around asset
serene zealot
^^^^
If Hermes ever offers his extra dash boon on epic, take it. Having 5 dashes is insane, it makes getting out of tight spaces so much easier.
burnt breach
dash only run with gilga is really fun
tough ridge
guys i think i made a bad move with Eris
flat garden
hazard?
tough ridge
it barely did much
tough ridge
22damage?
flat garden
its good for crowd control
robust anchor
are you pressing the attack button
flat garden
dont worry it more than makes up for it in clearing rooms
tough ridge
im holding that atk button for mah life! 16 bullets too!
flat garden
just use other means to do single enemy dps for bosses
tough ridge
especially the spear dudes in elysium
tough ridge
what is fo2?
robust anchor
forced overtime 2
tough ridge
oh i had that maxed
flat garden
enemies go zooming 40% faster
flat garden
you shouldnt use it if youre new to high heat
fo¹ is ok but fo2 might be too much
idk why i decided to superscript the 1
fo¹
flat garden
try td2 bp1 instead
robust anchor
when i struggle it’s really helpful for me to go to watch vids of other people
jaunty locust
I feel like trippy shot builds require a lot of boons. I need trippy shot, of course, and because of the time, I probably want to go stygian soul, which means I want chaos boons and/or the artemis legendary, but I also want ice wine or scintillating feast on top of that... it's a really intensive build
oh, and cold fusion would be nice TOO...
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Great with? Yes. Requires? Hell naw. Trippy shot is one of the best casts in the game even standalone 😁
Top tier damage and huge AOE control. And that’s before it gets to it’s insane duos
jaunty locust
I suppose that the problem I had is I was using abyssal soul before, which was bad with it becuase I'd do all this burst damage and then just stand around like a dweeb
static karma
fo¹ is ok but fo2 might be too much
I need to get used to FO1 now, been too scared of it but I need to learn it for higher heat
Is it just practice?
proven osprey
It is
To share my experience Bacchus
So FO1 scared me so much I thought I'd never make it
So I switched to FO2 immediately. I had some painful runs ngl
Asterius was terrifying too
But it's something you get used to
static karma
I’m scared mostly of Asterius and Dad
frail schooner
fo2 is easiest to get used to on fiats
static karma
Asterius is one of the reasons FO scares me
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So skip straight to 2?
dusky drum
honestly i hate fo2 because i can react, but i press the button like a frame too late
proven osprey
Try it
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I’ll do it with BP2 MM EM3 on
proven osprey
It worked for me, if it's not fun to you just run FO1
jaunty locust
Oh, I did not realize how much of a difference ice wine makes to my cast speed with dio
static karma
It worked for me, if it's not fun to you just run FO1
Ah ok, I should expect to die a lot at first right?
Because of getting used to the speed?
proven osprey
Yes
Wringers, numbskull will hit you a lot more
Louts too
Tartarus will be hard
frail schooner
i wish FO didn’t have a cap
proven osprey
The best practice would be FO2 HL0
frail schooner
I want undodgeable witches
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The best practice would be FO2 HL0
Yeah I was planning on turning HL off
And LC so I have death defies
Instead of SD
proven osprey
Keeping SD would be more realistic though
proven osprey
But as you wish, whatever is fun
static karma
Like closer to a high heat run for real?
dusky drum
I want undodgeable witches
me over here who plays with fo2 and bp2 so i get seeking speed witches half of the time
proven osprey
Like SD is the condition you'll have later
Yes
But at some point you don't notice that enemies are quick
They're just very slow at FO0
frail schooner
SD makes fo2 bearable
proven osprey
Also, FO2 at 32 makes your pact more flexible
flat garden
I need to get used to FO1 now, been too scared of it but I need to learn it for ...
once you get used to it you can't go back
everything feels so slow without fo
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once you get used to it you can't go back
I’m gonna aim for pierced butterfly achievement on normal then crank up FO
I got to 26% max when I tried it a while ago
Hopefully I can go for 30 now
frail schooner
play shield or something
static karma
Oh good idea haven’t thought of that for some reason
flat garden
what's the max amount of% boost can you get with butterfly
it's 2% per chamber right
dusky drum
yea 2%
flat garden
need help with a choice
lightning rod or splitting bolt
i have dem on my abyssal soul cast
flat garden
i ended up with lightning rod because i realised i probably wouldnt get the hermes leg
but i died to a shieldguy anyway
dusky drum
oh damn
sorry abt that
shield bearers suck
and tbh most elysium enemies are poopy
dusky drum
i just hate how little startup frames literally every other enemy in elysium has
and greatshields just do soo much damage for no reason
hearty mulch
i like the flamewheel release
but 1) flamewheels aren't that bad in the long run
and 2) why isn't there something like that for other enemies
real spire
What is everyone's opinion on divine dash?
robust anchor
i like
jaunty locust
my opinion? The single best boon in the game
hearty mulch
Yeah
Divine Dash is legit the most versatile boon in the entire game
It is a defensive and evasive tool that also doubles as an offensive tool for certain builds
Like ME
flat garden
blinding flash also makes it good for applying curses for privileged status
jaunty locust
its incredibly good at defense because it allows you to stay protected while you're doing a dash attack, and it makes a lot of annoying bits fo the game (witch coven) basically free
real spire
I personally feel that it is the best in the game
hearty mulch
Because... Well, it kinda is.
It's hard to compete. Really, only Poseidon Dash really comes close to it in any meaningful capacity
jaunty locust
if I had to play an entire playthrough with only one boon it'd be divine dash in a walk
upbeat gyro
heart rend or curse of longing?
current have arty attack, ares special, aphro cast on hera
upbeat gyro
heart rend has critical effects deal more damage to weak foes, curse of longing has doom effects continuously strike weak foes
hearty mulch
What's your build?
upbeat gyro
artemis attack, ares special, aphrodite cast on hera
athena dash/artemis aid, im at the middle shop in asphodel
flat garden
hmm
do you have pp
heartrend is weak if you dont have any crit dealing attacks lol
upbeat gyro
no i have support fire
flat garden
with crits only on aid?
i'd say go for longing
oh wait
i thought you said aphro attack for some reason
yeah that's kinda tough. i dont like applying weak with the cast
upbeat gyro
i like aphro on cast for hera just because it gives me more range with it/an excuse to use it
upbeat gyro
yeah im def attacking more than specialing, im still relatively early so longing may show up later. i dont really have any specific builds in mind just kinda going with what im getting
thanks 👍
flat garden
longing applies doom whether or not you actually apply it with the curse boons
at least i think?
upbeat gyro
i think you might be right
mild raft
Longing applies doom as long as the enemy has weak and you hit them with doom at least once
static karma
SD makes fo2 bearable
What do you mean by that? I know I’m responding late, is it because it’s more likely I’ll die in normal rooms?
flat robin
Can't swap to acorn for final fight?
robust anchor
right
frail schooner
What do you mean by that? I know I’m responding late, is it because it’s more li...
yeah
well it allows you to take more dmg in normal rooms without consequences
static karma
Got the butterfly achievement, now I will turn on forced overtime for the rest of my hades playtime probably
going to turn on FO2 now
static karma
Everything is much scarier with +40% speed
static karma
But at some point you don't notice that enemies are quick
This is what I’m hoping will happen with practice, this is weirdly fun
Kind of anyway
jaunty locust
piercing volley did not quite work as splashily as I'd hoped on chrion bow
dusky drum
yea, you mostly wanna go for concentrated and relentless
piercing is just weird on it
jaunty locust
I did get concentrated!
jaunty locust
I've gotten good enough luckw ith other things, I've got blackout AND low tolerance
what's a fun non merciful end fist build? I've been doing that for basically every time it's thirsty and I want to try something new.
dusky drum
what's a fun *non* merciful end fist build? I've been doing that for basically e...
ummm dire misfortune :3
zeus legendary
demeter can be ight
athena is a solid one
^^ all of these go on attack
jaunty locust
ooooh, deadly reversal sounds like it could be fun, get huge crit odds with your upper
dusky drum
oh yea that works too :3
fists is one of the more versatile weapons
so just have fun
jaunty locust
savescumming and noticing i have a good flourish to start, so let me just grab that arrowhead
and go for BIG numbers
dusky drum
savescumming and noticing i have a good flourish to start, so let me just grab t...
lmao
i only savescum when im pissed and wanna get a good 32 start
flat garden
got 5 sacked. i have 30 seconds left on the clock
jaunty locust
yeah I wanna know what I'm getting 😛
oooooh, wait, I could do aspect of talos and poseidon flourish
the yo-yo build
that sounds fun
so for gods where you want a LOT of their boons specifically (like poseidon with all the knockback helper boons), that's maybe where you'd take authority over persuasion, right, so you can get just MORE poseidon boons?
dusky drum
take dark forsight
jaunty locust
I can use authority to swipe left
dusky drum
true
jaunty locust
esp with like, poseidon where I want knockback AND razor shoals AND the wall slam AND the wall-slam-explosion thing
flat garden
didn't even break 2nd phase 
jaunty locust
oh nooo
dusky drum
hehe super soaker is a fun luci setup
especially when zag gets to put a live wire in it
jaunty locust
oh oh oh oh dang okay so I have the artemis dash and the artemis flourish on my demeter fists
...do I swap out for the divine dash? Probably not, right? since I"m building for damage?
dusky drum
id go for divine but thats my optimal high heat brain talking
jaunty locust
I got explosive upper so
dusky drum
ooo
jaunty locust
in tartarus
jaunty locust
demeter
jaunty locust
yeah i basically don't need any other boons
because iirc the artemis dash boon also works for the dash upper
(Although the dash-strike from Chaos probably does't, alas)
they can't kill me if they're dead
dusky drum
lmao love that logic
visual jungle
i just got +30% atk speed for the fists and pheww!!
burnt breach
the sad thing is I think my best gilgamesh run was my dash only run
I just leaned super hard into zeus and got 3 extra dashes from hermes
just ran circles around people until they died
warm tapir
How do you play guan yu
visual jungle
How do you play guan yu
i read some advice post a little bit ago that said to basically forget about atk and focus on "one shotting mobs with crackling skewer"
they advised to use fiery presence and focus on buffing your special
warm tapir
Thank u bob
visual jungle
maaan just got my 🍑 handed to me by em3 
was stupid and accepted chaos curse for using special when i was using talos aspect -_-
visual jungle
God im doing 1k crits at tartarus
how??
visual jungle
holy guacamole
flat robin
Any beowulf experts on right now?
limber cloak
well im not an expert on it but i have played it a bit of times
whats your question
flat robin
Got a few actually, but mainly
Is the dio or aphro build better
Assuming you get the duos you need for dio
flat robin
Also infernal or stygian soul
limber cloak
if you have a lot of casts i think dio is better
flat robin
So you gotta focus a lot on getting the chaos bloodstones for dio as well as the duos
I'll try out aphro first then, dio seems unreliable
Tyty!
Oh can yoy not load casts while charging bull rush now?
limber cloak
you never could
you can unleash your cast in a brief time window after bull rushing
flat robin
Ahh, okay thanks
daring mango
so poseidon knock away effects really work on bosses right?
because I got to knock hades to the water using demeter aspect with poseidon special
flat robin
Noticed that earlier actually when hitting Theseus with a poseidon special, seems like it doesn't knock them very far
Demeter fist cutter probably does it much further than others since it hits so many times
molten crane
hi, is there any specific thing I have to do to unlock the Chaos Legendary, it's the last Boon I need and I've been on like... 40 runs? and it never shows. I have the mirror thing to increase legendary chances btw
I mean 40 runs trying just this boon, I have 100+ hours on the game
any insight is appreciated
hoary slate
it does need any other Chaos-Boon as prerequisite
but is still rare
using the egg and picking up the chance increase boons should help
molten crane
I mean like, the mirror gives 20% extra chance, so after meeting the chaos a load of times I just thought I must be doing something wrong
I guess I'll try more, thanks
worldly pier
Chaos legendary chance should be 10% afaik, but you need one chaos boon before it being offered.
Get max God Legacy from the mirror (+10% chance) and Chaos egg Keepsake (+10% legendary chance). Then pray to get several Chaos during your run.
Use your reroll from Fated Persuasion only for your 2nd+ Chaos to get the leg.
molten crane
the amount of times I got chaos with already 1+ chaos boons, even rerolling boons, and never got Legendary makes me question reality
worldly pier
If you don't have Cosmic Egg nor God Legacy, your chances are still quite low. But running both should be enough to find it reasonnably fast
molten crane
I'm using both, for 40+ runs and rerolling when they do not show up
wind stratus
molten crane
yeah, my last hope was something saying that there was a known bug or something
I even bonded with Chaos thinking it would help, mostly knowing it wasnt
daring mango
I only got it once recently and I have like a 100 hours on hades
hearty mulch
Whenever you do get it, though, most of the time it's something to get no matter the Heat level you're on
Or Curse Chaos puts onto it
Because with SD, you need the extra Defiance
daring mango
I get it because I want to complete my fates list lol
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I even bonded with Chaos thinking it would help, mostly knowing it wasnt
Fwiw I’ve cleared close to 200 times by now and I think I’ve seen that legendary maybe 3-4 times ever. I feel your pain ❤️
If you’re on PC and just completely over it there is always the dark side of the force.....
woven ivy
what are some good builds for guan yu aspect varatha?
hearty elbow
Fwiw I’ve cleared close to 200 times by now and I think I’ve seen that legendary...
Lmao, I was pretty shocked in my recent 51 clear that I got the chaos Defiance with AP2. I didn't even end up using it so it looked pretty on my victory screen. I think I've literally only even seen it twice before
hearty mulch
what are some good builds for guan yu aspect varatha?
I liked Athena Attack with Guan Yu for long-range deflection attacks, but GY is an Aspect which is hard carried by its special. Try getting Arti Flourish as well and you'll have the key ingredients for Deadly Reversal
woven ivy
ah alright then
hearty mulch
Which, for a heavy damage weapon aspect like GY, is fantastic because crits do absolute chunks off of bosses
woven ivy
yea smth i noticed while using it is that attacking with my usual spear tactics will make you die fast lmao
I'll get artemis boons then
thanks
honest wing
you wanna get the charged skewer hammer tho
I did that same run twice recently and it's so so good
hearty elbow
GY plays very effectively as a hybrid weapon. Though the more hybrid you decide to play, you put yourself more at risk for getting hit
If you don't play with an aggressive Tight Deadline, you can spin while enemies are spawning to gain some health here or there but it's not great to rely on the spin for sustain, it's extremely slow and you're likely to get hit for trying
woven ivy
wdym by hybrid weapon? both range and melee or smth?
honest wing
I use the spin attack to regain health sometimes, and some utility like heart rend or deadly reversal, but other than just straight special
hearty elbow
Yeah, you can combo the animations for special and dash-strike + strike together
woven ivy
If you don't play with an aggressive Tight Deadline, you can spin while enemies ...
yea i learnt that the hard way
hearty elbow
It flows pretty well
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Lmao, I was pretty shocked in my recent 51 clear that I got the chaos Defiance w...
I’m absolutely convinced Tzeench secretly wields the RNG for AP2. So many AP2 choices I can hear the laughter of a dark god ringing at the edges of my mind
woven ivy
Yeah, you can combo the animations for special and dash-strike + strike together
ah ok then I'll try that out
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All as planned....
honest wing
can you just take exploding launcher and charged skewer on zag aspect to get discount guan yu
hearty elbow
Shows how much i play non-Hades spear lol
honest wing
zag aspect also gives more special range damage and speed
hearty elbow
Idk about that, Hades spear gives 150% special and attack damage
hearty elbow
¿
woven ivy
i thought it was special too?
hearty elbow
It's def both lol
woven ivy
i use hades spear quite often and yea pretty sure its both
flat garden
actually, it only increases shady damage
cloud vault
Is it? I thought it was just attack.
Whack
Oh, yeah, it's spin attack that doesn't get affected.
Also apparently you can charge Achilles special to go further? Whuh
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Wait there’s a spear in this game 👀
woven ivy
yea man
costs 4 cthonic keys
i would say its my fave weapon but ive only beaten the game with shield lmao
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I thought there was just sword, better sword, and best sword
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Weird how the best sword is round and you throw it but thems the breaks
woven ivy
lmao
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Maybe they were going for a Kung Lau vibe or something
hearty elbow
All weapons are just zag bows, bad zag bows, and bad zag bows that you have to hit people with in melee range
flat garden
this but with zeus shield
lost vessel
All weapons are just zag bows, bad zag bows, and bad zag bows that you have to h...
I think you're onto something
hearty mulch
All weapons are just zag bows, bad zag bows, and bad zag bows that you have to h...
these are words to live by
abstract flower
Died at final boss with Aspect of Demeter. Any tips for how to build that aspect and when to use the charged upper?
flat garden
when you have it
hearty elbow
I find the easiest builds for it are Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish, Lightning Strike + Heartbreak Flourish for Smoldering Air, or Merciful End (Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash). Merciful End has the highest upside but is pretty inconsistent
flat garden
less time waiting to use it is more time gaining it back
hearty elbow
You can cancel a dash strike into a dash upper without an additional dash input if you press special as the dash strike is coming out
So the input would be (pretty fast) dash + strike -> special. If it works it should come out in one fluid motion
This is typically the ideal way to use dash upper in general as it's basically free
And as @flat garden mentioned it's generally not worth it to hoard the charge. You build it so quickly that if you can get some damage in, do it.
abstract flower
takes notes ok cool
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To Demeter: Step 1: Grab Zeus attack, Artemis special and dash
hearty elbow
Some exceptions would be in rooms where you know like, witches/spreaders/splitters would spawn, or maybe Greatshields or Chariots or some other high value high threat thing will spawn, I do generally hold a charge to take one out immediately
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Step 2: every time your cutter charges an enemy needs to disappear off the playing field right now
Your cutter is your damage. Don’t make life hard for yourself by increasing its downtime
Step 3: fill out Artemis kit with PP/MT/Support Fire and break the game in half
hearty mulch
Alternate option for Demeter Fists: Ares Attack, Athena Flourish, Artemis Cast, Athena Dash.
Get Merciful End and Deadly Reversal. Melt your enemies in but a few seconds.
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Use dash uppers to activate the charge too, when possible
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Not only is it slightly more base damage, but any boosts you get to dash attack will also affect dash upper
hearty mulch
so it's good to use them to clear large groups of enemies
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^^^ and much less endlag
Muuuuuuch less endlag
Good hammers are conventional fist hammers. Exploding upper is S-tier as usual
hearty elbow
I general I don't really like to advise new players to use Merciful End though, because it comes together like maybe? half the time, if that, and you can still finish with just Curse of Agony but it's not like uniquely good at anything lol.
And if they do get Merciful End it's a power trip that will give them false expectations of what "good builds" are supposed to be capable of lmao
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Yeah ME is a hard to recommend sometimes because it comes with like 6 asterisks that the player needs to be aware of lol
On the other hand, Demeter is probably the best ME platform
hearty elbow
Gilgamesh
hearty mulch
Gilgamesh*
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Even better than Gilga I’d say because it can cover up its early game weakness much easier
Gotta think holistically dawg
hearty mulch
- may not be as consistent early-game
hearty elbow
Well duh, that's because Demeter aspect is good lmao. But if we're talking ME carriers, hoo boy
hearty mulch
the extra gilga dashes help with proc-ing it at least
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Gilga has the higher ceiling for sure
But dem doesn’t leave you high and dry until your highroll build is online
hearty elbow
Yeah of course. I wouldn't recommend anyone play Gilgamesh... ever. Unless they're looking for the actual Hell Mode in the game
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Booo Gilga
Boo good idea badly executed booooo
That makes me even saltier
If it was just trash and a joke that would be one thing
abstract flower
Twin fists seem like a beginner unfriendly weapon
hearty elbow
I'd legit love the aspect as is if they just shortened the recovery windows on standing attack and dash upper.
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But they had the right idea, and that makes it hurt all the more
hearty mulch
i'd say they should increase the speed of gilga's normal attack
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The reduction to dash attack damage is horse pooie and no one will ever convince me otherwise
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I’m fine with it being bursty damage like it is if that’s what they want, but for chrissake actually make it mean something without ME attached when you build a weapon to operate like that
hearty elbow
Hmm, yeah, I haven't played the aspect a ton but the damage seemed fine. The risk for doing that damage is so huge though. Especially because you're giving your enemies a damage steroid (well, I'm not. I don't use Maim ever lmao)
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And that’s why Talos heavy knuckle is better than Gilgamesh thanks for coming to my ted talk
hearty mulch
talos heavy knuckle
them's fightin words
hearty elbow
I tried 40 Gilga for a couple of hours and hated every second of it. I'll probably come back to it today and see if I can Tidal Dash cheese through it like with all aspects I hate
hearty mulch
I tried 40 Gilga for a couple of hours and hated every second of it. I'll proba...
tidal dash cheese is probably the best way to play gilga
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> talos heavy knuckle
them's fightin words
Bro what if Artemis did big punch with meathook punchy punches
fervent elbow
I've done gilgamesh 40 heat, never again
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What if though bro
hearty mulch
bro
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What if you were playing Gilgamesh but your dash attack actually did something bro
What if a fist aspect played like a “heavy fist” archetype actually ought to
Brah
hearty mulch
society if gilga's dash attack damage wasn't garbage:
https://d1o50x50snmhul.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/06144919/apb4pa.jpg
hearty elbow
I think they wanted to avoid the Stygius problem of ignoring everything but the dash strike lol
(they succeeded)
hearty mulch
as it stands right now, gilga needs poseidon dash to work well
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Someone may want to explain to them how DPS works because that’s not exactly a problem you “solve”
hearty mulch
bonus points for Sea Storm
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As long as you can dash attack
robust anchor
i think ares dash is also serviceable
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Ares dash is fantastic on fists
hearty elbow
Ares Dash doesn't have as accessible of a high roll though
hearty mulch
yeah, and Ares Dash needs the blade rift tier 2s and duos
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Yeah true. ME or bust for Gilga
hearty elbow
It's high roll involves a duo boon. Poseidon's also involves a duo boon but just Razor Shoals and Wave Pounding will probably carry the run by themselves
sour temple
They put a dash attack on the bow and rail just to consistent because every weapon should have one
robust anchor
dash attack on bow is awesome
sour temple
they shouldn't have had a "dash attacks" which are really not that
hearty mulch
on Rama, Dash Attack is literally the only way you can use it
hearty elbow
Tbf rail barely has a dash strike
hearty mulch
because otherwise the chargeup is so. damn. slow
sour temple
the dash attack on the bow is the most awkward design
hearty elbow
It's like, a dash strike only in the most literal sense
robust anchor
when i hear perfect shot sound i get an overwhelming dopamine rush
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It’s a nice ROF spike at least
sour temple
You have to learn the timing in order to powershot correctly and then you need to learn ANOTHER timing in order to powershot with the dash attack
hearty elbow
the dash attack on the bow is the most awkward design
Out of curiosity, why do you think so? From my own experience it's one of the crunchiest, best feelings in the game to get a dash strike power shot
hearty elbow
Okay, well that's not entirely fair. No one knows standing attack timings lmao
sour temple
when you're in battle and dashing alot you can't consistently control if your attacks are dash attacks or normal ones
Especially the way I play it on m&k I usually cancel from my attack with a dash
hearty elbow
Especially the way I play it on m&k I usually cancel from my attack with a dash
I've done this every once in a while on controller, and it is kind of annoying, but it's from a lack of discipline. I shouldn't be trying for a power shot if I know I'm going to have to dash again before it goes off anyway
sour temple
ie I execute the attack by pressing dash instead of releasing attack. in that case it's impossible to ensure that the next attack is a dash attack
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There’s a crutch rarebit
Input dash and attack at the same time
Also there’s a consistent way to powershot with any given bow
hearty elbow
Shrug, can't really advise I guess. It feels pretty much perfect to me. It does suck that you're running into control issues with it though, it's a fun playstyle
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Watch for the floor aiming icon to flash near the end of the charge. That’s your cue to release
Abiding that will net you a powershot 100% of the time, no matter the bow
hearty elbow
I find that if you're looking for the white flash to release you will miss it a lot, or get hit. I think the white flash is better as a teaching tool so you can internalize the timing
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Idk I defer to it if a room is too noisy for me to hear audio cues
fervent elbow
I don't look at the flash bc I have my focus on other things like foes coming to me
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It’s mostly muscle memory for me at this point but releasing on that flash is always my backup marker
hearty elbow
Fair. Yeah the audio cue helps too but it should be an internal timing, without feedback, after you press the button. That way you can concentrate on aiming and stuff on the edges of your screen
sour temple
Input dash and attack at the same time
wait that actually works
hearty elbow
Works on every aspect :3
fervent elbow
I can powershot easily with zag/chiron/hera but not rama
robust anchor
i HAVE to power shot numbskulls it’s about pride
fervent elbow
I didn't play Rama since my 40 heat clear, that's like weeks ago
hearty elbow
i HAVE to power shot numbskulls it’s about pride
Yes, it's a rule. They have to know their place
robust anchor
the noise is so beautiful
sour temple
the audio cue is almost inaudiable with the exception of Rama. The visual cue is not very readable and unreliable in combat
hearty elbow
Oh I find normal bow's audio cues a lot more distinctive. It a chaotic room the pretty tinkling of Rama's charge is lost to me.
sour temple
the distance meter is good indicator but it stops at walls and can;t be used always
the only way to pwoershot is to have it as musle memory
robust anchor
yes
hearty elbow
Yeah I think they're teaching tools and angle indicators. They are not great for getting the power shot timings in the long run.
sour temple
Just why are there 2 different timings for charging/poweshoting
then you have distinct timings for Rama
fervent elbow
Hidden aspects have a different gameplayy
hearty elbow
Lol, I guess? I think if the normal powershot had literally the same timing people would be tempted to charge in place, and probably get hit a lot for it. Having the dash strike be faster incentivizes you to stay mobile.
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Some people would refer to those properties as “gameplay depth”
faint sluice
Hidden aspects have a different gameplayy
and for the most part, better gameplay
sour temple
You can excuse bad design like that. "Game's just too deep bro, you just need to git good"
hearty elbow
Big mood
still vortex
gameplay depth
honest wing
WHY DO I NEVER GET THE ARTE LEGENDARY WHEN DOING A CAST BUILD BUT NOW I HAVE IT WHEN I AM DOING A CRIT BUILD
hearty elbow
pewpew?
Lol, Artemis legendary is kind of whack in general though. You only want to invest heavily enough for Mirage Shot, not the 900 boons necessary for Fully Loaded
warm tapir
WHY DO I NEVER GET THE ARTE LEGENDARY WHEN DOING A CAST BUILD BUT NOW I HAVE IT ...
Chaos go brr
honest wing
I do not understand what you mean
dusky drum
chaos has easier extra casts to nab
and his legendary is i think the hardest to get since theres so many things for it, like him spawning, havin one already, and it siphoning through his like 12 boons that repeat
toxic river
can you purge a daedelus enchanment
dusky drum
can you purge a daedelus enchanment
no
toxic river
aww
hearty elbow
"kind of". There's always Anvil :3
toxic river
true
still vortex
Fully loaded just requires 2 of 3 of exit wounds, support fire, or pressure points. it's not that bad
you can get fully loaded without even taking a tier one boon
opal lodge
its pretty bad for cast builds which usually also want deadly strike and mirage
still vortex
if you take the boon reroll mirror, you can usually get it if you get art in tarterus
opal lodge
there are just higher priority artemis boons on most cast builds
still vortex
wh ydo you want deadly strike?
opal lodge
mirage, and its probably the best attack boon on hera, beo, poseidon, achilles, etc
opal lodge
also having hunters mark and PP gives your casts the ability to crit
which is fantastic
support fire is just kind of a dead boon
and exit wounds is pretty meh on non poseidon sword cast weapons
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Support fire exists to make PP more relevant
But it’s outside of a cast build’s usual ROF to make useful
But it’s great for a faster weapon. Support fire on fists is basically a 100% buff to PP to get the marked target jumping around
still vortex
ROF?
hearty mulch
Rate of Fire
still vortex
is that a boon?
queen cape
it's a term, like how fast you can attack
support fire only goes as fast as you can attack/cast
so it's OK on something like rail, but very not OK on a cast build
sour temple
also more hits charges your call faster
hearty mulch
Fists and Rail are great at ROF
While Shield (outside of some Zeus and Beowulf-riddled exceptions) isn't
sour temple
Zeus special fires an arrow on every hit
Do AOE attacks fire a single arrow or one for every foe hit?
hearty mulch
One for every hit
So if you were using Stygius Special you'd get a single arrow IIRC
sour temple
does anyone know if using Zeus Special on Fists give you two lighting hits on a regular uppercut?
And 5 on Demeter charged uppercut?
hearty mulch
I'll check it out later
Though I don't see why not given Athena Special deflects on every hitbox on Demeter
sour temple
because of the lighting's cooldown
the same reason why you don't get 7 lighting strikes with chiron bow
sour temple
so uppercut and charged uppercut do the zeus lighting damage only once?
I;m not sure because it hits like 2 different hits once after the other. I'm not sure what the time is between those
OK, how does Double Strike work then?
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Double strike basically just applies a probability for a single hit to proc twice
No sure if it evades the cooldown or not
worldly pier
Theres a 0.2s CD between each bolt, even if they proc from Double Strike
(only for special) for dash and call, there is no CD
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Lili you might know if anyone. Exactly how many lightning bolts is an ordinary Zeus Chiron special worth?
opal lodge
it depends on how you position yourself and some manipulation of special arrows according to @hearty elbow
worldly pier
I'm not very experienced with Chiron, but one bolt proc if you shoot an ennemy direclty( they all hit within 0.2s CD), up to two procs
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I guess that’s the same question as asking how many frames the special fire animation is
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Just curious
opal lodge
like if you turn around and shoot the speciap
the timing of different arrows can be changed
to hit outside the cd
worldly pier
I don't think 3 procs on the same target is feasible, unless your arrows take a very weird path
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Ohhhhh
Interesting
So 2 at most ordinarily
That feels right
Bow special animation can’t be much over .5s anyway
proven osprey
Today I had a lightning strike serrated Guan Yu
And even with the slow dash strike I only got 2 procs
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When the zag spear life chooses you
opal lodge
thats different from special iirc
proven osprey
Oh yeah that's correct
hearty elbow
it depends on how you position yourself and some manipulation of special arrows ...
I honestly don't know the rules for how far Chiron special arrows are allowed to go. Sometimes it's very far sometimes they just poof. But yeah you can find angles to get multiple Thunder procs semi consistently. There is also a sweetspot distance directly facing enemies that you can get 2 procs mostly consistently (as some of the arrows will attempt to go to their back). Relentless Volley helps as it slows down your special animation and shoots more arrows
opal lodge
have you tried any funky stuff like aiming backwards or sideways
in terms of staggering the arrows
hearty elbow
Yeah, it works for instance on Skelly
But not always in runs shrug
In runs often the arrows just disappear before they go all the way around you
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Out of curiosity ledger who’s your go to for Chiron special?
hearty elbow
The most consistent way to offset the arrows is by aiming the bow maybe like an 80 degree angle from an enemy? It'll cause them to arc very widely. This is also nice for AoE
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I’m a controller caveman so I’m instantly noped out of this aiming conversation lol
hearty elbow
Deadly Flourish is probably the most consistent. I like Drunken as well, it's very good at dealing with JS3, but it is awful against bosses
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Not-Zeus it is
hearty elbow
I am also a controller guy lol. I don't often do tricksies at high heat because I will die lmao
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I feel like Chiron is the one place where Dio can really hulk out
hearty elbow
Though angling the bow at an acute angle away from your target is always a good habit. As it dashing behind other enemies once you have one tagged so they'll pass through
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If you find an aphro attack, an arty cast, and an Ares revenge you’re set up to do some major wrecking
It feels like to me
hearty elbow
Hangover Chiron is like... just so much worse than Hangover Rama lol. In every way. It's still fine though.
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Though angling the bow at an acute angle away from your target is always a good ...
Ok, I could try that. Movement is always its own aiming. So apply mark - dash through enemy - unsheathe Chiron steel - nothin personell kid
Is that the DPS rotation ordinarily?
hearty elbow
The biggest variant is how much you charge the bow itself
That's why I like DC0, it gives you that choice (obviously always 0 charge with DC)
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I gotcha
Yeah attack is mostly there as a “mark target” button for me when I play Chiron
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So Artemis kicks ass all over the place, got it
hearty elbow
What DC0 lets you do is play a bad zag bow, or a hybrid bad zag bow
opal lodge
thats an interesting idea
hearty elbow
Sometimes AP1/2 will give you Twin Shot and now you have a great extra damage source
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Honestly that’s a good point
hearty elbow
It makes every hammer that isn't Sniper Shot worth something, which is huge
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Even bad zag bow is still bad zag bow
opal lodge
even explosive shot
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Twin shot still twin shot
opal lodge
?
hearty elbow
Explosive Shot's explosion will still apply Chiron's debuff
opal lodge
im sure
hearty elbow
So I actually love explosive Shot on Deadly Flourish in particular since small AoE is a pain
hearty elbow
Also if you "high roll" Deadly Strike, Explosive Shot is legit
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Explosive shot is pretty solid on zag bow
cunning urchin
is it really that bad
Drunken Flourish build relies on Attack hammers for boss damage tbh. You just apply Hangover, and then focus on Dash-Strike Power Shots.
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So maybe not bad on bad zag bow?
hearty elbow
Yeah it's not bad
opal lodge
thats probably better for dmg yeah nyaanyaa
hearty elbow
Hot take, I think Piercing Volley is the best Chiron hammer
opal lodge
i havent played enough chiron
wow that is a hot take
what about the very obvious counterpoint of conc volley
cunning urchin
For bosses, it's like a budget Zag Bow with occasional Special for Hangover.
hearty elbow
Chiron hits a billion times, so that combined with Deadly FLourish means enemies will never ever ever have armor.
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Honestly I haven’t thought about Chiron as a Hybrid Zag bow before
cunning urchin
Piercing Volley is really good, yeah.
opal lodge
wouldnt conc volley also strip armor similarly
hearty elbow
It's not ideal against bosses but Chiron is already great there
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I might have to try that
cunning urchin
Piercing Volley is really good on Low Tolerance builds, too.
hearty elbow
Concentrated Volley I've fallen in and out of love with lol. Sometimes walls or being in point blank range or lots of enemies in a cluster make it non-existent
opal lodge
i forget it requires consecutive hits
yeah that could be frustrating
did you run AP1/2 on 51?
hearty elbow
AP2 + Shackle w/ TD3
opal lodge
jesus
cunning urchin
Yeah, Concentrated Volley is oddly unreliable. The combo drops off a lot of the time.
hearty elbow
It's not that bad! DC0 is the key lmao. All hammers work great
cunning urchin
Relentless Volley seems to do more for me than Concentrated Volley most times.
hearty elbow
Yeah I think for me it's Piercing > Relentless > Concentrated. Relentless has the downside of taking longer for your special animation
Concentrated is very clearly the "best" hammer, math wise
It just doesn't always pan out that way
cunning urchin
I don't take Relentless Volley if I don't have a Special boon yet, though, because it does practically nothing for Drunken Flourish.
hearty elbow
I thought it would be way harsher, but getting double dip value on Shackle is so op
It makes the first hammer nuts no matter what, sans Sniper Shot
jaunty locust
piercing????? but why
hearty elbow
Chain Shot also isn't like... fantastic. It's better as a support if you already have good special damage lol
opal lodge
ive sort of started to hate sniper less on rama
sniper can do some real work on rama sometimes
but im also on kbm
hearty elbow
I just get the megasads when I'm lining up my 9000 IQ Sniper Shot and they... walk forward 2 steps
hearty elbow
Yeah it's very easy to line up Sniper Shot on all bows vs. Dad after spin
But that's like... one situation. In the whole run lmao
hearty elbow
Don't get me wrong. It's not like Stygius hammers, where a third of them just end your run
But it's a nice place to be to have 1.5 neutral bricks in the pool when you're doing AP2
opal lodge
true
jaunty locust
hold on, I am not quite sure about what neutral bricks means
hearty elbow
Stygius has hard bricks. Dash Nova for some people, World Splitter, Cursed Slash, Flurry Slash etc.
hearty elbow
Bow's bricks aren't like... that bad. They just don't contribute in any meaningful way
opal lodge
except explosive on rama imo
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I kind of accidentally liked world splitter on nemesis 🙈
opal lodge
which is the one i keep getting lol
jaunty locust
you just gotta go sisyphus on it
...maybe
wait, but then you can get stuck with a bad one and. wow
opal lodge
yup
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I’m a 40k nerd and every time AP2 screws me I hear Tzeench howling with laughter at having ruined yet another mortals ambition
opal lodge
most of my rama 50 heat attempts so far have died to a forced exchange on attack or a bad hammer
opal lodge
when youre forced to exchange your epic deadly strime for a heroic lightning strike
it is sad
yeah
its mostly so i can run RI0
idk
gusty rapids
is RI0 worth it on rama
opal lodge
for aforementioned boon bonery
gusty rapids
beowulf moment
gusty rapids
i feel like as long as i get a good hammer rama has the juice
opal lodge
that is my conclusion
gusty rapids
maybe one extra dash
jaunty locust
you all are... way higher level than I'm at
gusty rapids
rama really does not need much
gusty rapids
oop
jaunty locust
yah this is builds and combat
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Hell with it, RI4 and Hermès dash in asphodel or reset lol
gusty rapids
we must crawl back into our goblin cave of high heat strats
jaunty locust
I mean, I play on god mode 24/7 now so I could probably limp through if I was really struggling
jaunty locust
enjoy the shadows on the wall 😛
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What weapon has the strongest pantheon of hammers and why is it bow or gun
jaunty locust
because the other weapons are perfect and do not need assistance (that is a joke)
wicked flame
Question: does Posideon's legendary trigger sea storm twice?
jaunty locust
hmm
I don't know!
...but what I just found out
is that if you take routine inspection and then pick up a key
it gives you a die to use
dusky drum
Question: does Posideon's legendary trigger sea storm twice?
every time they are knocked back it triggers so i would say yes, i havent tried tho so its worth a run
jaunty locust
I have a logistics question
I'm doing a demeter cast build
I snagged Artemis as in tartarus just by luck, which is great for me. I'm doing abyssal soul
Do I pick up pressure points to start working on fully loaded, or do I reroll to get an attack boon to hunt for the duo?
(I could get her aid right now but I've never particularly liked her aid)
dusky drum
you have abyssal at max im assuming??
if you already have 3 casts from abyssal start building for duo
jaunty locust
sorry, stygian I mean
so I have 1 cast on a 3 second cool down
(I do have glacial glare already so that gives me more duration)
I'm probably going to go for artemis in asphodel because I feel like her boons never show up and I want a lot of them.
dusky drum
yea if you have stygian go for arte legendary
cuz whats the point of it seeking if theres only 1
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The duo is still important if you roll dem cast
But with Stygian getting more casts in your belt is top priority
jaunty locust
I mean, I can usually have two+ up at a time now becuase I have glacial glare
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Stygian scales really, really hard with more casts
jaunty locust
OH okay, sorry, support fire only requires pressure points, so I could get the duo without touching an arty attack
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As good as it feels now, it gets waaaaay better
jaunty locust
right
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Yeah you need arty t2s
jaunty locust
if I had to go in with ONLY either the duo or the legendary
right, but pressure points you don't need anything for
so I could get pressure points + supporting fire - Legendary
and there's no green on my sidebar
I'll probably STILL switch to the spearpoint in asphodel because it's SO hard to track her down. I wonder if that's truth or just bias
I used the aphrodite on the demeter cast build, which was actually very good because I got parting shot so suddenly I could do backstab damage, and since it followed me I could make the enemies face me.
jaunty locust
okay a 5 second glacial glare and stygian soul wth extra casts is making me feel like daft punk and getting me emotional
jaunty locust
hold on, not used to rama. What does repulse shot? Is it any good? I got point blank, perfect, and repulse. I think perfect's the option
robust anchor
yes perfect
jaunty locust
yeah I figured
the uhh, ricochet shot I found was absurdly good, because when it bounced between more people that were already marked that just went wild
dusky drum
yea ricochet is good on rama since it lets the chunky arrow bounce and hit more thus having shared suffering prock more
personally i gun for twin and perfect
but triple and perfect is also really good
fringe jacinth
robust anchor
aph on atk and art on special or vice versa prefer art special tho. go for duo
if possible get charge skewer
slim lynx
for some heart rend builds you might wanna get empty inside like with guan yu
just so you don't have to worry about refreshing weak every 3 seconds
jaunty locust
hold on - does breaking wave not proc from the dash push, or am I just not noticing the "watery blast"
jaunty locust
okay okay
sea storm, razor shoals, wave pounding, breaking wave, typhoon's fury
why do I even have a weapon
tranquil falcon
biggest brain idea
took attack ouchie chaos with beowulf?
just use lightning rod
also use your 6 tidal dashes
hybrid plume
what are the top 5 builds of all time?
patent pewter
Eris zeus
half crater
if you literally mean “of all time” there was some whack stuff in early access
pre nerf chaos obviously springs to mind, but there was other stuff before i even started playing
apparently there was a shield hammer at one point that let you machine gun your special faster than the rail can fire
oh, and pre nerf charged flight beowulf
dusky drum
yea and back when arte dash gave you free crits pair that with like aphro attack on spear, also keep in mind spear dash spin counted as a dash attack, so you hit crazy numbers
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oh, and pre nerf charged flight beowulf
Wait what lol
What on earth did it used to be
gusty rapids
just more damage basically
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I love charged flight on beo
half crater
charged flight used to add +400% damage
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Hot daaaaaaaaamn
half crater
on the high base damage of beowulf’s special it was insane
held the heat world record
not the beowulf one
the overall heat record
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Yeah, that’s buckwild
Oh you haven’t gotta sell me, I loooove charged flight beo. I can’t imagine what 400% must have been like
half crater
it’s still decent yeah, but it used to be ridiculous
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No wonder that hammer doesn’t impress me on zag shield
half crater
that hammer was designed before they added beo to the game, so it was designed for really low damage zag shield special
robust anchor
horheristo has a 50h charged flight beo prenerf vid
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Yeah I can see it now
half crater
horheristo has a 50h charged flight beo prenerf vid
Nyaanyaa has a 52
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It used to be decent for zag, then along came beo
half crater
yup basically
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Damn dlc ruining everything
turbid needle
I know it feels like DLC for the EA players, but when Hades hit 1.0 Beowulf was already in the game.
half crater
idk it never really felt like DLC to me
playing a game in early access is a very different experience imo, especially one so regularly updated as Hades was
but yeah beo was around for a while
wasn’t even the last secret aspect added, that was gilgamesh
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Oooooof.mp3
half crater
all of the spears fall off at higher heat lol
turbid needle
Little bit.
half crater
hades actually has the highest spear record iirc
just because Tailesque likes the aspect lol
patent pewter
he's built different
half crater
oh no actually he’s cleared 52 with zag spear as well
those are currently tied for the heat record
flat garden
he's built different
tranquil falcon
just got splitting headache, exclusive access, and low tolerance
offered all at once
i'm very tempted to take access for the gamble
screw ot
it
exclusive access
oh oh
mid boss
dionysus or artemis
i can get heart rend splitting headache with arty
i can get low tolerance splitting with dio
i think i just take dio
whole zinc
Whats better, the ability that lets 6ou reroll boon granters or boons?
tranquil falcon
boons
100%
much more worth it
also damn
i got perfect shot and twin from just picking whatever seemed best
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Weapon?
tranquil falcon
doing chiron bow
but damn it's actually doing pretty good damage
i only have common aphro attack
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Whooooof
tranquil falcon
and no poms
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Which did you take?
tranquil falcon
wdym
like i got both of them
i got both perfect and twin
that's what i meant
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just got splitting headache, exclusive access, and low tolerance
I feel like I’m missing something
I probably am
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Which did you take 👀
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Ah
tranquil falcon
lol
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Where’s dio at?
tranquil falcon
wdym
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On your build
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Sorry, I’m not being specific enough
Ah, I gotcha
Aphro dio is wonderful with chiron
tranquil falcon
yep
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If you see low tolerance again it does big stuff
tranquil falcon
i know splitting headache just isn't that good but it somehow kinda worked the last time
yeah ik that
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i know splitting headache just isn't that good but it somehow kinda worked the l...
So this is actually misconception
tranquil falcon
isn't it just pp
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But splitting headache is only good under certain circumstances
tranquil falcon
but like mild
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Which is if you have a good arty build underneath you already
tranquil falcon
yeah ik that