h1-builds-and-combat

[vague hearth]

Demeter works too

[spiral badge]

honestly to hell with it

[keen sage]

Demeter always works imo

[spiral badge]

artemis attack and ares cast too

hunting blades or bust

[vague hearth]

I like demeter more tbh

[spiral badge]

may as well

[vague hearth]

Because if you get her legendary

BIG oofs

[spiral badge]

true, PS is worth demeter's consideration alone

[keen sage]

good thing about Hades is a lot of goofy combinations wind up pretty viable

PS?

[spiral badge]

actually on the strength of PS i change my mind to demeter

nevermind artemis for that build

priv status

[keen sage]

oh right

aphrodite works for that too

[spiral badge]

demeter is the PS mvp

[vague hearth]

Hey uhhh that's a nice 10% of a boss fight, you mind if I skip it?

[spiral badge]

just 1 stack of chill lasts 8 whole seconds

i believe that's a solid double the next best contender

[vague hearth]

Demeter's legendary is beautiful as a "I don't need anymore boons but I'll take this" boon

Seeing hades get dropped by the 10% execute is honestly brutal

[spiral badge]

yeah demeter's support game outside of her cast is also pretty solid

her and dio have very good support boons

[vague hearth]

She just has a really good set of boons

[spiral badge]

rare crop dire misfortune or doom = run over

[vague hearth]

I like her athena duo as well

[spiral badge]

she has a trash cast and her special % is 2nd lowest for no discernable reason

[vague hearth]

I've been wanting to go into the repeating death defiance with those two

[spiral badge]

but i do really enjoy her strengths

also arctic blast needs a buff wtf even is that boon

[vague hearth]

I have never used that boon

[spiral badge]

like

why would you throw away all that effort

for such little reward

it's even trash on chiron

mystifying

[vague hearth]

When you aren't stacking chill it's literally just purge money

[spiral badge]

lol indeed

[vague hearth]

Arctic blast on chiron is just the worst possible discount doom

[spiral badge]

it needs a solid 3x damage and aoe buff right off the bat

then it might be a boon worth losing all your stacks of chill for

[vague hearth]

I would say

[spiral badge]

and the explosion should apply 3 stacks of chill minimum

[vague hearth]

Make it so it would have like

Something to limit it more than removing stacks

Other, I mean

And then don't remove stacks

[spiral badge]

also make nourishing soul do something to LC4 you cowards

Make Demeter Relevant Again

[vague hearth]

Maybe instead of at ten, at no stacks it gives more

So it gives more stacks if they currently have none

[spiral badge]

i actually like that

could make her a lot more viable on slow weapons

like arthur

maybe it increases her base stack application count by 1.5 or something

or a scaling value as you go up

[vague hearth]

It would also do better for builds where chillis used for PS

[spiral badge]

yeah

[vague hearth]

Like chucking it on chiron attack

[spiral badge]

World splitter nemesis: kind of good???

Took it thinking I was never going to touch normal attack then realized I could crit for 600 👀😳👀

[dusky drum]

i mean those crits will carry tbh

nice

[spiral badge]

It was.... an incredibly useful buff to single target damage?!?

You still need to schmoove in a crowd but man you could put a miniboss on its ass in no time flat

[vague hearth]

I kinda wanna try an aphro artemis chiron build now

[tame bison]

You mean one of the best Chiron builds? Sure, you should try that.

[robust anchor]

lol

[lost harness]

how is guan yu any better than cursed slash ?

the lifesteal seems way harder to use

since is a charge

[proven osprey]

Guan Yu is better as a whole because of the moveset rather than the ability to heal which mostly shines at higher heat when others source of healing are disabled

The spin is used between waves spawn or against slow enemies (i.e thugs in tartarus) or when terrain allows you to

Any other use is risky and takes a lot of practice and knwoledge of your foe's patterns

[faint sluice]

rare crop on poseidon attack on fists tho

[brazen nest]

And EM hades is a prick

I was not prepared for 3 phases

Also he summoned the teleporting mini boss

[mellow jetty]

sneak is one thing but he can also summon butterfly balls and honestly

it makes me want to leave

[slim lynx]

you either want dps or just something that strips away armor because not only are those minibosses annoying, most of all they're tanky

[mellow jetty]

i'm trying to break 50 heat rn. is EM4 considered optimal this high? the stuff i'm leaving out is RI3-4, FO2, TD3, and DC1-2 (bc i'm playing hestia)

i might have forgot some details

but basically is em4 gonna be easier than some of the other stuff i'm leaving out? I'm not sure at this point

oh my b i thought i was in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[woven ivy]

what are some good builds for talos aspect malphon?

i've just been using demeter boons but should i use smth else

[spiral badge]

Aphrodite cast all day for talos

Also learn to cancel dash-uppercuts directly into casts. Meathook cancelling. Very helpful talos tech

[robust anchor]

merciful end

[woven ivy]

i dont get what this means lmao

but I'll try to get aphrodite and merciful end then

[tranquil falcon]

hestia explosive shot

😳

actually pretty good

[gusty rapids]

its one of the better hammers for hestia

[tranquil falcon]

bruh

dark foresight

i have gotten 2 total boons in the entirety of tartarus

and 1 health

dark foresight my ass

[slim lynx]

concentrated or piercing volley for drunken chiron?

[tranquil falcon]

does ricochet fire work how i want it to for hestia?

probably concentrated

piercing just doesn't really do much

especially for drunken

at least from my experience

concentrated is still better

plus, the damage is additive

so it doesn't matter if you're taking arty chiron or drunken chiron

it's still the same damage bonus and it's still gonna be super helpful

well at least that's how i think it works

getting a chamber hidden chaos right before the ending shop 😩

literally free

ending shop counts, boss chamber counts, stair counts, then first room of next biome counts

2k hestia crits

[tranquil falcon]

em3

still 3 acorn left

why is this build doing so good

cmon perfect clear em4

em4 not em3 *

NOOOOOOO

a pot hit me

i wasn't getting enough crits

so it took too long and started getting hit

didn't get the deadly reversal

😔

[slim lynx]

does privileged status/boiling blood affect status curse damage like hangover?

[robust anchor]

based on wording, boil blood should only affect your white(weapon) dmg. but priv stat/famfav should be global

[flat garden]

boiling blood only affects attack/special

ps/ff affects global dmg

[honest wing]

does that make boiling blood bad for non big white damage builds

[slim lynx]

why not apply boiling blood anyways

[honest wing]

yea ig

if it's not a cast build I only use cast for boiling blood

[flat garden]

more damage equals better

[slim lynx]

does vicious cycle apply to mirage shot?

[dusky drum]

wdym

if the extra blades also have vicious cycle work??

it should since its another blade object

so via code it should

[honest wing]

I think it does

[visual jungle]

using max zag bow with artemis attack right now...so many crits 😳

hoping for hunters mark and pressure points too

[honest wing]

how does flurry shot work

like what do you build around it

zeus attack? arte attack? zag bow?

[tough ridge]

Hey guys i just unlocked rama

[dusky drum]

oh nice

[tough ridge]

How do you build it with zeus and artemis

[dusky drum]

best hidden aspect imo

ummmm zeus special arte attack

[tough ridge]

Yeah i really like the bow

[dusky drum]

but i reccomend aphro attack and like another curse on special

[tough ridge]

So 2 special affects?

[dusky drum]

actually, arte dash works with bow whatever you do

yea if you can prock priviledged status

then itll be really good

[tough ridge]

I was thinking a cheese build where i just wreck everything lol

[dusky drum]

like ares special/dio or smth

yea but i just love aphro attack on it :3

just having a 2nd curse for ps will be crazy tho

since shared suffering is busted

[tough ridge]

That does seem good for single dps method

[visual jungle]

do well of charon items stack?

like if u have two cyclops jerky does it double the effect or just prolong it?

[tough ridge]

I dont think it stacks

It prolongs it or resets tbe encounter time you had left and back to where it was when you oriiginally bought if @visual jungle

[visual jungle]

ah ok, thank you!

[honest wing]

guan yu is so broken what

charged skewer op

now I see why people use it at high heat

[tough ridge]

@honest wingits good if you can get the good stuff lol

[honest wing]

that's true

[tough ridge]

Ill run that last once i buff up my mirror stuff

[honest wing]

what are good hera casts

crush shot doesn't seem to be doing well for me

and I dont want to do trippy

[tame bison]

Those are the good ones, but Athena/Poseidon work too. Athena is a little weird tho

[jaunty locust]

I also have no clue what this means.

[abstract raven]

meathook cancelling is a very threatening name

[flat garden]

for some reaso ni thought splitting bolt needed 2 t2 boons

turns out its only 1

[limber cloak]

try to practice it on skelly, you dash-uppercut and then instantly press your cast button, it will cancel the animation and let you cast

practice it on skelly and you'll get my point

[sharp flint]

for the chaos aspect shield, what's the "in" boon to put onto the special?
i gave ares a try for doom stacking, but was wondering what other boons work well with chaos aspect.

[limber cloak]

zeus special works

hangover also kinda works

[jaunty locust]

wait, do you still uppercut, or is it just a dash-cast?

[sharp flint]

does zeus special hit for each thrown shield even if it's a "shotgun"??

[limber cloak]

yeah

though zeus does have a internal lightning cooldown of about 0.15 seconds

[limber cloak]

i think its a dash cast? not sure though

but it still pulls foes in

so you get the magnetized effect from talos

[jaunty locust]

okay, so I"m on dark foresight and god's pride, I had it the other way around previously, and OH BOY is there a lot of common boons, and I do not like that

is this the current meta or?

[limber cloak]

dark foresight is recommended yes

god's pride vs god's legacy is a difficult choice though

it usually depends on your build

if youre going for a specific duo boon, go for gods legacy

if not, go for god's pride

[jaunty locust]

well, I got lucky enough to get the duo as my third boon (curse of longing) so that's fun at least.

but more boons at common is better than less boos, but at rare?

[limber cloak]

yes

remember that rarity is literally just a single pom level

you want more boons, more poms, more hammers etc

which dark foresight gives you

[jaunty locust]

wait,b ut higher rarity scales differently

[limber cloak]

no

[jaunty locust]

that

does not seem to be true

[limber cloak]

afaik it doesnt scale differently

plus, some boons are literally rarity indepedent

as in, they dont get much better with higher rarity

such as most of artemis' core boons (attack, special etc)

[jaunty locust]

I believe that rarity increases the base that the poms scale off of

[honest wing]

I dont think so

that might be the case for the first one or two poms maybe

[jaunty locust]

found someone who made a spreadsheet with it

so for example heartbreak at common is 50, and level 2 is 70

it's always 20% more

but common is 50 and rare is 65 and epic is 90 and heroic is 115

[limber cloak]

but still, dark foresight is much better

since it gives you more hammer chances

and more poms

and more gold

not just more boons

[proven osprey]

Rarity does not affect pom scaling. Common boons are fine

[jaunty locust]

okay, doesn't affect pom scaling, just gives you higher numbers to scale of fof

so in that case you'd probably go for duo/legendary?

or is the power boost from common to epic big enough that it's worth it to aim for

[honest wing]

I always keep it for duo/legendary

[jaunty locust]

I know it's 20% more gold rewards. Are they 50/50 usually?

because if so, that's 18 that would get switched up to 21, so that's three more gold rewards per run. If we figure a pom is worth a rarity level, then if you get 3 boons at rare instead of common, then you've outcurved foresight?

[limber cloak]

what

18 would get switched up to 21
what do you mean by this

it also gives more chances of seeing a hammer

[honest wing]

outpizza'd the dark foresight

[jaunty locust]

wait, you mean you can get three hammers?

[limber cloak]

no

ofc not

it just gives chances of seeing a hammer

whether in shops

or normally

[jaunty locust]

right right, so you can get your hammers earlier, that makes sense

[limber cloak]

without foresight, you'll just be getting endless darkness, gems and nectar

which are useless to your current run pretty much

[jaunty locust]

I mean that, (and I was wrong, because the formula for what you get from what chambers is a LOT more complicated) if you get about 50/50 gold rewards, adding 20% onto your total of 18 isn't a ton

[limber cloak]

ofc its a lot more complicated lol

[jaunty locust]

but I was wrong on the math

yeah, I looked that up after

so tbh I don't know what the average amount of gold rewards you would get from dark foresight is

Sorry for being contrarian!

[jaunty locust]

in terms of build: Chain Shot and Point-Blank Shot together do disgusting things with the Rama bow, oh wow

hmm, I got "favor" from chaos, which works incredibly well with God's Pride, as I now have a +45% chance to get epic level boons

hold on, misread. Just a +30, but that's still a lot

[slim lynx]

do t2 cast boon effect work with mirage shot?

stuff like glacial glare or scint feast

say i have glacial glare + mirage shot, does chill get applied faster?

[cloud vault]

Favor works differently than stated

For one thing it's always +10% chance for duo/leg

[jaunty locust]

but is it also a 10 for epic? Or is that whatever the stated bonus is?

[cloud vault]

I think the stated bonus works normally for rare/epic

[jaunty locust]

ok, so that explains why I got so many epic boons that run

[honest wing]

and keys, which do help

[spiral badge]

I can’t see why it doesn’t work. Taking glacial glare for a second, as long as two sources of chill are spawned, two sources of chill damage should be in play

Is mirage shot possible without an arty/posiedon cast though?? I thought those were prereqs

[limber cloak]

yes it is possible with any cast

you just need poseidon and arty core boons

[spiral badge]

This game is full of very tricky little wordings. Take very careful note of the part where chaos’ buff data says “boons have X% chance of being rare or better”

Ah, thank you paper

[jaunty locust]

Yes! But I know Duo and legendary is +10 flat no matter what, but didn’t know what the boost was for epic

[spiral badge]

Mmhmmm. Lots of hidden little stats like that everywhere. You have to read the descriptions extremely carefully for clues, and even then sometimes things just straight up do more than what they say on the label like god keepsakes affecting duo and leg chances

[slim lynx]

is black out global?

[tranquil falcon]

does zeus zeus work

[half crater]

yes

[half crater]

it’s worded kinda weirdly but i’m pretty sure it only effects the hangover damage

[slim lynx]

no i mean dio's legendary

it causes enemies to take more damage while standing in festive fog, i was wondering if it's global since it also affects cast damage

[tranquil falcon]

wtf how is this working

i'm doing sea storm with zeus shield

and as soon as i picked up poseidon attack i didn't think it would work

somehow it actually is

[spiral badge]

I’m pretty sure it is

[tranquil falcon]

probably because i got splitting bolt but wahtever

[spiral badge]

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence in this game. If they don’t specifically call out the type of damage, if they just say “damage” that’s code for “global”

See Eris description for reference

Also I’m pretty sure it works based on just how much faster things melt when I’ve gotten it going lol

[tranquil falcon]

talking about sea storm zeus shield or blackout?

[spiral badge]

“Hangover-afflicted foes take bonus damage in Festive Fog.
Fog Combo Damage: +60%”

Blackout lol, sorry

[tranquil falcon]

it's fine

yeah blackout melts

[spiral badge]

Not to be snooty but let’s break this sentence down because SGG is snooty about their language. “Hangover” is only used once here as an activator for another referenced value, and never mentioned again

The two other references to damage in the sentence are “bonus damage” and “fog combo damage” which basically say the same thing

“That which is hangover inflicted shall take +60% damage while in festive fog”. That is exactly what that perk says, not a word less or more

SGG is very choosy with their wording, and they put a lot on the reader to pick up on an internal consistency in their verbiage

Even when they aren’t always consistent themselves lol

They tend to say exactly what they mean and not a thing less or more. It’s a very jarring thing to try and decipher that which has no additional meaning until you’re accustomed to reading it

[tranquil falcon]

CAN THESE POTS

STOP

SPAWNING

ON TOP OF ME

bruh

[near pier]

Only if you ask nicely

[lime jolt]

I had a question about pierced butterfly. Does it take your base damage and then take 2% of it or does it take your damage + god% and then take 2% of that?

[worldly pier]

It's +2% additive with whatever current damage bonus you already have. Every damage bonus is additive in this game

[lime jolt]

Right I know that so it takes the god %+ into account?

[worldly pier]

what do you mean by +god% ?

[lime jolt]

So for example GY special does 45 base and with an artemis 37% bonus it would deal 61.65. Would PB take 2% of that and then add it or the 45 base and then add it

Im taking 45(0.37) + 45 for artemis bonus

[hearty mulch]

It would add to the artemis 37%

[worldly pier]

45 x (1 + 0.37+0.02) = 62.55

[lime jolt]

ok

thx

[lime jolt]

So I'm looking at artemis special boons and this is what it says

Common:
Special Damage: +40%
Rare:
Multiplier: 1.3–1.5
Epic:
Multiplier: 1.8–2.0
Heroic:
Multiplier: 2.3–2.5

What do the multipliers do?

Do they literally just multiply the base 40% by the multiplier?

[hearty mulch]

iirc it's more like 130-150% attack for Rare

[lime jolt]

So an epic base multiplier would do 72%?

[hearty mulch]

Epic would be 180%

[lime jolt]

Well technically it would be base damage(0.72) + base damage

or base damage( 1 + 0.72)

[hearty mulch]

or 1.72xbase damage

[lime jolt]

But 180% probably works

Yeah

[hearty mulch]

so technically it isn't wrong

[lime jolt]

No its not

But from a wording standpoint it is

lmao

what am I doing

[hearty mulch]

but it also isn't exactly right since no core boon (attack, special, cast, dash, call) deals damage multiplicatively

Crits (be it from Nemesis or Arti boons) are the only ones that deal damage multiplicatively

[lime jolt]

Yeah

Thats why crits are so good

[hearty mulch]

especially on relatively fast weapons like Nemesis

[lime jolt]

yeah

[hearty mulch]

on faster weapons like fists? good stuff

[lime jolt]

Crits arent that great on fists

Since the damage is so little crits dont do much

But having PP is nice

[hearty mulch]

Au contraire. They are good on Fists.

the crits may not do much, but they do matter in the long run

[half crater]

crits are fine on fists, but the dps will be lower than doom or lightning

[lime jolt]

Right thats why I'm saying pp is good

but artemis attack is not great

[hearty mulch]

The point of crits on fists is not to be the main damage, but to supplement the main damage

Through Pressure Points or DR

Arti Attack Fists is alright, but it isn't really all that good

Especially when compared to ME's damage output

However, Pressure Points and DR are excellent on Fists regardless, thanks to the fact that Fists are basically the fastest melee weapon in the game

[spiral badge]

Talos heavy knuckle is where Artemis changes into a whole different beast for fists

[hearty mulch]

heavy knuckle

[spiral badge]

Especially because your dash strikes actually do something unlike Gilga

Heavy knuckle underrated on talos fight me

They’ve buffed it a bunch recently, I think its deserving of an honest second look

Adding a little mobility back has gone a long way for that hammer. They could still stand to buff the base damage tho

[hearty mulch]

If you have Long Knuckle as well, it may be... Fine.

But it's still by and large the worst Fists upgrade in the game

[spiral badge]

My fav is actually heavy/exploding upper

I just like new things 😭

And Gilga is so boring

Heavy talos feels to me like what Gilga should have been

[fervent elbow]

I have a hard time using fists at high heat

[hearty mulch]

I can help out with that, at least in giving you a build for it

[fervent elbow]

ME ?

[spiral badge]

Do tell 👀

[hearty mulch]

It isn't just ME

[spiral badge]

Thank god

[lime jolt]

I believe @fervent elbow is talking about 45+ ish heat

Not 32

Fists are fine at 32

But like 40+ they are really hard to use

[fervent elbow]

I have to admit that fists and swords are the weapons with the least experience

[spiral badge]

Fists are better sword

[hearty mulch]

45+ish, shmorty-fiveish

the principles are basically the same

[lime jolt]

no

[half crater]

got ‘em

[spiral badge]

Sword but with more reliable DPS and better safety

[half crater]

but for real it’s a completely different game at 45+

[lime jolt]

^^^

[hearty mulch]

ah

right

because at that level you basically have to get AP and other... Less popular heat options

[lime jolt]

I tried 50 once and got absolutely clapped by the furies

clapped

[fervent elbow]

I can't use FO2 for sword and fists, have to use FO1

[lime jolt]

Fo2 for fists is fine but with sword I cant do it

For me

[fervent elbow]

though I did Arthur 40 with FO2

[spiral badge]

FO2 fists really wants Demeter attack or hyper sprint

Either slow them down or get out of the way faster

Can’t do EM3 FO2 on fists without something to aid mobility

[hearty mulch]

Or Greatest Reflex

[spiral badge]

Asterius is a nightmare

Or that ^^^

[lime jolt]

All my close range weapon high heat runs have literally just been me abusing i-frames

[hearty mulch]

Greatest Reflex is probably the best Hermes mobility boon you can possibly get

[lime jolt]

But em3 + fo2 really does suck

[solid cairn]

abuse or lose bb

[lime jolt]

Hypersprint comes in a very close second

[hearty elbow]

Unfortunately at the end of the day you still need to be very good at iframing shockwaves and charges

[spiral badge]

Idk hyper sprint has saved my ass but greatest reflex is definitely the value pick

[hearty elbow]

No matter how many dashes, slows, or sturdies you have

[spiral badge]

Common greatest reflex is still a top 10 boon in the game

[solid cairn]

hyper delivery pog tho

[hearty mulch]

definitely. Hyper Sprint is what I choose if Greatest isn't available.

[hearty elbow]

Top 1 :3

[spiral badge]

So amazing with even trash common

[lime jolt]

Hyper sprint common > greatest reflex common

Imo

Maybe

[hearty elbow]

I could see that for some aspects

[lime jolt]

Unless you're doing fo2 em3

Then greatest reflex is just sooo good

[hearty mulch]

Yeah, for certain aspects and heat levels that'd be true

[spiral badge]

Honestly I like hyper sprint better than greatest reflex at common for EM3

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, I'd take reflexes in EM3 over Hyper Sprint just to dance through pillars better

[spiral badge]

With extra dashes you have to get to safety right now

[solid cairn]

hyper sprint opens up rush delivery which is spicy damage

[spiral badge]

Hyper sprint actually lets you outpace FO2 asterius on the ground

Which is huge for me

[solid cairn]

yes I do love +100% damage on literally everything for almost no effort

[spiral badge]

You can actually outrun the bull in case you miss your first dash or two

[hearty elbow]

Maybe? I'd rather just iframe the slams then try to run away from him.

[spiral badge]

I’m talking about his charge specifically

The slams you iframe

[hearty elbow]

Ranged aspects have it easy, no iframing necessary, you can just hug the circle radius

[spiral badge]

But if he misses a pillar it’s really helpful to be able to sprint away from him while you redirect him to another

Whereas if you have extra dashes in that situation, after they’re spent you’re dead in the water

[hearty elbow]

If you camp the space behind a pillar and between a wall, it's extremely hard for him to turn without hitting something. I don't think I bother trying to go to other pillars anymore if I do that. I personally find it a lot more consistent and less terrifying than sitting against a wall and dashing through him at an angle

[spiral badge]

Of course I could also just not miss pillars lol

[tough ridge]

hey guys, im going on 2nd run with RAMA and im using dark foresight and trying to build with Ares, was this a bad idea? im not doing so hot and dont have power to do anything lol

[willow haven]

it's usually best to go dark foresight

[hearty elbow]

Curse of Pain is alright on the special. I definitely would not do that on the main attack

[willow haven]

ares rama isn't exceptional imo, you can try going merciful end

[tough ridge]

i see this guys build on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/hghoe9/op_aspect_of_rama_build_15_minute_clear_on_18/

he has zeus and artemis mostly and thats what i did on my 1st run, its digustingly good lol

[willow haven]

yeah

[tough ridge]

heard ARES was not too bad as well but i think i need more boons and less hammer?

[hearty elbow]

To be fair pretty much any build is OP once you get Splitting Bolt

[willow haven]

^

zeus rama is tower defense mode

[tough ridge]

lol

[hearty elbow]

And Rama has one of the highest firing rates on its special

With free AoE because of ricochet

[tough ridge]

Zeus is just amazing

[willow haven]

it's basically the better chiron

[hearty elbow]

But that's the high roller build.

[tough ridge]

well considering my mirror upgrades for the % for legendary is so crappy lol, should i focus on that?

[hearty elbow]

Zeus special isn't bad by itself but unless you have Splitting Bolt you're still better off using it as a secondary source of damage while you spread the Suffering debuff

[willow haven]

the duo boon upgrade?

it's good!

situational tho

[hearty elbow]

Especially in the beginning, God's Legacy is great because it helps you fill in prophecies

I'd say overall Pride is better though

Particularly because of how hard Hermes boons scale

[tough ridge]

it costs apparently 30k to upgrade the whole damn thing lol

[willow haven]

yepyep

[tough ridge]

dearlord lol

[willow haven]

if you're in for the grind then go for poseidon

bonus darkness

[hearty elbow]

You don't have to worry about Fated Authority though

[tough ridge]

ok

[willow haven]

also there is a mod that increases darkness based on heat

[tough ridge]

i been grinding the gemstones more because i like renovating and i can unlock more stuff to use for the diamond upgrades

oh really?

[tidal scaffold]

Rama with doom?

[willow haven]

yep

[tough ridge]

Rama with doom only works with ATK and not special sadly 😦

[willow haven]

pretty neat mod

[hearty elbow]

?

What do you mean

[tough ridge]

i was like..why isnt the doom procting, i had to use ATK mode and not SPECIAL

[willow haven]

yeah that is why i said go merciful end

[tidal scaffold]

hmm idk, maybe if you get the aphrodite duo

[willow haven]

athena attack doom special

[hearty elbow]

There are two boons. Curse of Agony and Curse of Pain, one of which gives your attack doom, the second which does so for special

[tough ridge]

i got curse of agony

[tidal scaffold]

oooo athena attack sound nice

[tough ridge]

i can barely get through asphodel lol

[hearty elbow]

Yeah Curse of Agony is pretty bad on Rama

[willow haven]

gg go next

[tough ridge]

thats why im asking if im doing something wrong

derp >.<

ill just die and restart haha

[willow haven]

if it was doom special you could make it work

just give up

[hearty elbow]

lmao just go as far as you can

[tidal scaffold]

well even with a bad build you should be able to get to elysium, except if you're a newbie

[willow haven]

true that

elysium is the real test

[tough ridge]

oh no i dont mind getting to elysium, its just not fun at this point, i barely DINK lol

[willow haven]

ah

[tough ridge]

have to use ATK only

[tidal scaffold]

you never know what you could find next

[tough ridge]

it hurts but its very hard labor

[willow haven]

well you can still try getting athena special

[hearty elbow]

Wait wait wait, you have to use attack only? Why?

[tough ridge]

cause i have Curse of Agony lol

[willow haven]

mfw

bro

you aren't locked to using attack only

[hearty elbow]

You're missing out on >60% damage if you don't tag things with Suffering with your special

[willow haven]

^

[tough ridge]

no no no i do that, yes it helps but i actually wanted to do a DOOM run with SPECIAL only lol

supah lazy!

[willow haven]

[hearty elbow]

Ah, I see. Yeah, focus on getting Fated Persuasion

It helps force jank builds :3

[tough ridge]

i got a long way to gooo haha

farming it is

[willow haven]

i remember going charged shot on rama

never again

[tough ridge]

LOL

[willow haven]

thing doesn't charge at all

[hearty elbow]

Charged Volley you mean? In Early Access?

[willow haven]

takes a year to shoot

[hearty elbow]

Or Explosive Shot

[willow haven]

oh yeah

[slim lynx]

for ME do i go with the dash first or divine flourish first?

[willow haven]

explosive

[willow haven]

flourish

[hearty elbow]

Lol, yeah you def don't go for powershots anymore on Rama if you have Explosive, though to be fair you don't need to

[willow haven]

you won't get ME without flourish

[hearty elbow]

Depending on aspect and how far you are in the run you may want Dash to max your chance of finishing the run though :3

E.g. don't take Divine Flourish in the middle of Elysium

[willow haven]

you can

and believe in rngesus

[tough ridge]

whats the max % for god mode?

[limber cloak]

80

[willow haven]

people use god mod?

[tough ridge]

wow 0.0

im using it for farming purposes

[hearty elbow]

80? That's a spicy meatball

[willow haven]

xD

[tough ridge]

that is indeed really high

[willow haven]

it's a quick farm anyway

[hearty elbow]

Without Fated Authority you should max your mirror in pretty much no time at all

[willow haven]

make sure you get the poseidon boon

[limber cloak]

dont start with poseidon in tartarus

[willow haven]

[limber cloak]

that is, dont start with his keepsake

[hearty elbow]

I recommend Eris + Conch Shell and start with Tidal Dash, and go for Ocean's Bounty asap

[limber cloak]

take it in asphodel

or do that^^

[tough ridge]

oh i start with his keepsake in tarturus lol

[limber cloak]

i usually just take whatever in tartarus, fill up as many core boons and get as many keys

[willow haven]

it's time to start speedfarming

[limber cloak]

then reroll chaos and poseidon

[hearty elbow]

Eris is the only aspect that doesn't mind starting Poseidon though lol

[limber cloak]

to get +x% darkness and gems

[willow haven]

u got any fun builds paper?

[limber cloak]

super soaker exists smh

[limber cloak]

no

[hearty elbow]

Lucifer barely exists it's fine

[willow haven]

😢

super soaker was trash for me

[limber cloak]

youre trash

[willow haven]

LOL

[hearty elbow]

lmfao

[willow haven]

I COULDN'T GET POSEIDON T2S MAN

[limber cloak]

..

[willow haven]

xDDD

i hope chaos keeps giving you trash

[hearty elbow]

I was sad because the last time I tried Super Soaker I got Sea Storm + Splitting Bolt and it was no longer a super soaker build at that point. It was bad Eris

[limber cloak]

bad eris lmaoo

[tough ridge]

hey guys whats more important

gods pride or fated authority?

[lime jolt]

?

oh fated authority imo

rolls are huge

[tough ridge]

is that the one that lets you reroll?

[lime jolt]

yes

[tough ridge]

oooo

[lime jolt]

You just said it

[hearty elbow]

Persuasion rerolls boons

Authority rerolls rooms

[lime jolt]

Oh right

Then pride is better

Door rerolls arent great

[tough ridge]

oh

[hearty elbow]

lmao

[lime jolt]

I got them mixed up

[tough ridge]

so pride is the one that lets you reroll when you reach a boon or charon

[lime jolt]

No

Pride is the epic chance

i thought you were literally just asking which is more valuable

[tough ridge]

kinda lol

i could use a reroll if i dont get poseidon ocean bounty

[hearty elbow]

God's Pride/Legacy are 2nd from the top. They affect Epic vs. Duo/Legendary rarity. The bottom row is Fated Authority/Persuasion. They let you reroll rooms vs. Boons/Chaos/Poms/Wells/Pools of Purging

[lime jolt]

Ocenas bounty?

Why do you want that

Its ok but

[tough ridge]

farming :3

[lime jolt]

oh ok

[tough ridge]

i wanna renovate my house ok? lol

[lime jolt]

I literally have not farmed once in this game

[hearty elbow]

Ocean's Bounty will still make your net farming slower if you aren't doing damage yourself

Me neither lol but I've been playing a long long time

[lime jolt]

I just kinda play

[hearty elbow]

I re-started in Hell Mode this year though

[lime jolt]

And stuff happens

[tough ridge]

if you do hell mode does it restart everything you done?

[hearty elbow]

It's a separate save entirely

I wouldn't really recommend it. The mode is effectively the same, since you can just select the pacts yourself anyway. Personal Liability, which is worth 1 heat is the only unique thing

For heat pushers it lets you get +1 heat in

[spiral badge]

Yeah I don’t like hell mode

[tough ridge]

ah i see

[spiral badge]

It would be one thing if it was a 5 heat minimum

But being locked into 5 particular pacts is bohunkus

[lime jolt]

Yeah I dont like it locking in CP and JS

[hearty elbow]

JS1 CP1 is a travesty early game when you don't know how to do stuff

[lime jolt]

Its like not useful till like 50+

[spiral badge]

If it was a 10 heat minimum but you choose your own I’d roll that way all day

[lime jolt]

JS and CP

[spiral badge]

But as it is nah no thanks

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I seriously would not even bother looking at Hell Mode at all unless you're interested in 50+ heat

That's how badly it's designed lmao

[spiral badge]

Some of the stuff in this game just.....

[hearty elbow]

I understand why Hell Mode is there. Forcing you into CP JS is actually a legit hard mode strat, since a lot of people would elect to just not do it

[spiral badge]

SGG, you are masters of your craft. Why does it take the modding scene to fix basic design oversights that have been there for how long now?

[hearty elbow]

But since the game is itself kind of hard mode, why bother having a separate mode to force some of the conditions

[tough ridge]

thats like playing Bloodborne without getting hit achievement lol

[spiral badge]

Nah I won’t defend hell mode even an iota

Locking you into pacts is just discouraging of diversifying play

If the idea of hell mode is to make the game harder, great, start the player off by forcing to experiment with how the system works from square 1

[hearty elbow]

Also for a lot of people, completing bounties at 25 heat is a lot more than 20

[spiral badge]

But don’t force it to be the specific “hard mode” that you envision

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I agree, the mode isn't great. I'm only doing it for the sweet +1 heat on my runs lmao

[spiral badge]

You have this genius idea of an infinitely customizable difficulty system then for hard mode you just tack on 5 of them that are unremovable

That’s some bungie-tier opportunity mismanagement ngl

[hearty elbow]

Honestly I think it was there to appease the #hardcore gamers who wanted a special snowflake mode for them

[willow haven]

apparently you can fish twice in the final boss area

[hearty elbow]

Whoah

[limber cloak]

no way

[willow haven]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but you can fish twice after you defeat the final boss.
Fish
Get awards (game will save)
Quit to the title screen
Reopen your save file
Fish again.

[hearty elbow]

Ohh

Sure, if you're a filthy hacker

[limber cloak]

theres no way that works

isnt it

i need to try this

[willow haven]

yes

xD

[hearty elbow]

(but honestly this is kind of great and I'm glad you said it)

[limber cloak]

even though i have literally no use of any of the fish rewards anymore

[lime jolt]

how will it work?

The save file will open to after the fish

[hearty elbow]

Ambrosia converts to 500 Darkness, and I'm willing to bet you haven't finished the badges yet

[willow haven]

i just found it on reddit

[limber cloak]

i already have like 15 ambrosia saved up if that offer ever appears

[limber cloak]

i feel like its a troll, but ill try it for science anyway

[lime jolt]

Does this legitimately work?

idk

[limber cloak]

ikr

[willow haven]

same im gonna give it a try

[limber cloak]

it seems so "too good to be true"

[hearty elbow]

I didn't know picking up the rewards causes a save

[spiral badge]

I’ve become a vegan since I started farming prestige levels only lol

Let the little hellspawn live 💕

[willow haven]

xD

[tough ridge]

i swear

i cant rely on anything but Zeus and Artemis

they got good stuff

[lime jolt]

Athena for me

Its just so good

[sour temple]

all gods have combinations that work

Zeus only works if you get a lot of his boons to synergise

I got 605 damage on a spin attack

level 4 heroic Divine strike +130%

Massive Spin + 125%

[keen sage]

I very rarely go for Athena's attack/special boons because the damage bonus isn't as high as some others and it does nothing else offensively unless it's an attack you can deflect stuff with easily

[sour temple]

Rush delivery + Hyper Sprint (and release the spin attack with a dash) + 100%

Aspect of Achilles post rush bonus + 150%

oh and billowing strength should give +22%

Athena's damage is not low.

It is the same as Demeter

not that lower than Aphrodite

[lime jolt]

Athena on dash is just so huge

[sour temple]

I wish they didn't make that boon so vital

[keen sage]

but Demeter's also has an offensive effect.

(which can do damage later, if you get the boon for it)

I could be wrong though, maybe there is a tendency to actually deflect stuff using attack/special, but I've only ever done that with the shield or bow

I think I've used athena special on spear once, so the throwing special could deflect

[hearty elbow]

Divine Strike is great on Nemesis

[keen sage]

oh, why's that?

[lime jolt]

Deadly reversal?

[hearty elbow]

You get free crit chance from your passive anyway, and you're always dash striking

So you're approaching enemies with a giant deflect hitbox.

Deadly Reversal is a fine perk, yeah.

[lime jolt]

At lower heat deadly strike is fun

But divine strike is probably more safe

[hearty elbow]

Divine Strike is also okay on Fists

I typically recommend it to people new to the aspect, since it lets you punch stuff and not get punished nearly as hard. Heavy/Concentrated Knuckle or Support Fire help buff the damage

[stuck basalt]

stupidly fun build: eternal chamber upgrade w hammer, athena’s divine strike

you can do literal thousands in damage just by standing there and holding the attack button

(on rail, i personally enjoy lucifer aspect but it’s up to u)

[tough ridge]

i finally did 9runs! lol

i had the ultimate build against hades and he just let me go? NOOO!!!!

[stuck basalt]

lmao

good job :D

enjoy the credits music

[lime jolt]

I legitimately hate eternal chamber

[stuck basalt]

wHy

[lime jolt]

You do like no damage

[stuck basalt]

i legitimately hate reloading

[lime jolt]

It takes like 2 seconds

[stuck basalt]

iTs iNcOnvEniEnT

[lime jolt]

The ramp up is huge

[stuck basalt]

i think that eternal chamber works very well with zeus attack

+jolted if u can

bc you can just be sending out thousands of damage bouncing between everyone

[lime jolt]

Yeah zeus attack is probably the one exception

[stuck basalt]

but also divine strike if you wanna be lazy and never move

[lime jolt]

Why not deadly strike out heartbreak strike?

[stuck basalt]

the last few rail runs i’ve had so much health in the hades fight id pretty much just stay still and shoot

[lime jolt]

They both do more damage

[stuck basalt]

divine strike deflects while you’re attacking

with eternal chamber you can attack cknstaby

constantly*

deflect all attacks from the front

[lime jolt]

I guess

[stuck basalt]

it’s like defending w the shield

[lime jolt]

With triple beam i can see how that works

[stuck basalt]

but with a gun

[opal lodge]

zeus attack is nice

good aoe

[stuck basalt]

the best rail build tho and i will die on this hill

is all in aphro to unhealthy fixation

[opal lodge]

hm

that does require you to get more aphro that you cant force

[stuck basalt]

15% charm with approx 16 attacks every second

u absolutely can!

[opal lodge]

but yeah if you can get it it seems good

[stuck basalt]

take trials, take keepsake

[opal lodge]

right

so you can force attack

[stuck basalt]

but also rng

[opal lodge]

and trials have a 50% chance to offer if your pool is full

[stuck basalt]

if you take keepsake into tartarus aphro is added to your pool

so she’ll keep popping up

[opal lodge]

you dont have a pool until you have 4 gods

[stuck basalt]

it’s pretty easy to get 6 and over boons from the same god

[opal lodge]

before that its a pool of 1/8

[stuck basalt]

so just take her and 3 others lol

[opal lodge]

im familiar with the idea camomile

[stuck basalt]

it seems like you’re mad at me and i’m confused lol

[opal lodge]

im saying that isnt really a sound build unless you run fated authority over persuasion

not mad

[stuck basalt]

but fated persuasion lets you get better boon chives?

choices*

[opal lodge]

exactly

but you cant guarantee "6+ boons" from one god without auth

[stuck basalt]

if you take god’s legacy and fated persuasion and take aphro whenever she comes up you’ll get legendary pretty easily

agree to disagree ig, maybe i got lucky w rng

[opal lodge]

if it's a build you can replicate and it works for your style of play then why not

[stuck basalt]

:)

also for the person who was looking for a sword build

if you’re on poseidon aspect take exit wounds and zeus cast if you can

if you’re on nemesis take that hammer that makes your special hit twice w +20% range i think

[opal lodge]

if youre on nem only dedge matters but breaching and piercing wave are decent

[stuck basalt]

if you’re on zag, flurry is op

esp w hermes

and if you’re on arthur honestly i think near anything works

probably try and avoid poseidon tho bc u want to keep enemies near/ in your hallowed ground for that damage and speed reduction

[keen sage]

the thing that helped me when using arthur was realizing that I could dash with the sword mid-attack

so I could start the special, wait for the animation to get halfway through, then dash and slam

[stuck basalt]

wHoA

[keen sage]

can also dash without interrupting the combo

[stuck basalt]

you just changed my life

[keen sage]

I think you can dash in the middle of normal attack animations too

yeah it's a game changer

[stuck basalt]

W O A H

[opal lodge]

you can do that for every sword

the special dash

[keen sage]

yeah but I didn't notice with the others

[stuck basalt]

lmao i feel like an idiot now

[keen sage]

because it's not obvious that you can, and it matters less with them

[stuck basalt]

but a very excited idiot who’s gonna go try that

[opal lodge]

its most obvious on arthur but for nem/zag/poseidon a dash special is a super good way to deal with far witch spawns n stuff like that

[keen sage]

I haven't used Nemesis or Poseidon yet, Poseidon seems geared around casting a ton

and Nemesis seems okay but I wanted to level it up higher first

[opal lodge]

its a lil bit of both

ideal poseidon gameplay revolves around constant dmg uptime

[keen sage]

bonus cast damage is good, but it also encourages you to use the special to dislodge and keep casting, right?

[opal lodge]

you can cast and cancel your casts with dash strikes, then special for exit wounds dmg, etc

the strength of poseidon is it has a lot of damage from different parts of its kit

[keen sage]

yeah if you've got 3 blood crystals in a dude and dislodge them all at once with exit wounds, that's a lot of damage

[opal lodge]

yup

though on most enemies one cast, a few dash strikes and a special are usually enough to kill

[keen sage]

I wonder how far poseidon special knocks enemies back if you use chiron

it's a lot of knockback effects at once, but I think it's scaled with damage?

[sonic ember]

^not that much

[keen sage]

so yeah probably not

poseidon is always amusing in styx though

well, in the small chambers

[tranquil falcon]

what counts as a dashstrike for bow

i've done it a lot

but like what's the actual rpocess

i've done it but i don't know specifically what i was doing to achieve that

[opal lodge]

dash > attack

you'll notice the charge time is quicker

and zag looks more sideways? if that make sense

like his stance is more upright

when you do a standing strike he's like hunched over

[hearty elbow]

You can press it simultaneously but you can also offset the input slightly. The charge time is the most notable change

[gusty rapids]

i usually offset the input, so i dash then quickly hit attack right after

charge time reduction is really really useful

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I typically offset them as well. I find it's easier to fatfinger the dash button twice if I try to press them at the same time

[cloud vault]

Dash Shot is faster but does less damage.

[tranquil falcon]

what do i take

doing hera rn

gave up on zag i'm just getting the run done rn

explosive shot

concentrated volley

relentless volley

really wish i took chiron now lmao

right now i have the chaos attack curse

so which special would be more benefitial

[hearty elbow]

I don't think Explosive is bad on Hera. Especially if you have Deadly Strike, since it applies additive damage

You aren't going to be using your special on Hera anyway, so really the question is do you want to take Explosive Shot or keep your base attack. It's arguable either way I think.

[tranquil falcon]

i'm probably gonna take one of the specials

because chaos attack

and owie

so which one is more benefitial

concentrated or relentless

[opal lodge]

theyre both dead hammers on hera

they shouldnt do anything really

unless you get charged volley

[tranquil falcon]

i know that

i'm just using the special because chaos attack for 3 more rooms

so which one would do more damage

[opal lodge]

conc then

relentless is a longer animation for worse payoff

[tranquil falcon]

alright

ooh charon maybe i should take that-

[hearty mulch]

Relentless Volley is basically only good on Chiron

[hearty elbow]

It's fine on Rama

I'm not ever sad to see it, even if I'm not actively looking for it most of the time

[tranquil falcon]

took 2 chaos attacks

worth it

6 casts

[tough ridge]

Ok guys im on 16 heat, should i do zeus/athena or artemis?

These guys are soo fast i cant dash fast enough

[spiral badge]

You need to start dashing slower and pacing your dashes, if anything

What weapon?

[tough ridge]

I was against furies. I could not dodge the AOE for the love of god. Its impossible lol

Im on RAMA

[spiral badge]

Dashing too often or autopiloting with dash will leave you exposed

[tough ridge]

Yeah but the AOE was ginormous

Athena would make it 10x better

[spiral badge]

Even on FO2 there’s not an AOE in that fight that you can’t get through with careful dashing

That’s a general habit you’re going to have to get into as you get deeper into heat

Athena is always great though

[tough ridge]

Yeah i need to practice it more

So far its not bad

Its kinda fun

[spiral badge]

Realize that being in a spot where both of your dash charges are expended makes you very vulnerable

You want to dash often, but make sure you’re thinking and being deliberate about each one. Those dashes are your single most valuable resource, and higher heat will start really punishing you for spending them carelessly

Zeus special/Artemis attack will be great for Rama

Another nice combo is aphro attack and Dio/ares special for the PS wombo combo

You can even get all 3 duos together if you take an Ares revenge curse and it’s fantastic

[tough ridge]

Do you think erebus gate id worth it?

[spiral badge]

Also for Rama make damn sure you’re always dash attacking. The regular attack charge time is horrendous

I’m not shy about Erebus gates before elysium if I really like what’s on offer. Elysium ones are a real gamble though, I tend to stay clear

Tartarus ones aren’t hard at all typically if you get a good boon offered

[tough ridge]

Im in asphodel now

Yeah tbe charge takes forever lol

My next run ill try higher heat with eris

[spiral badge]

Always dash attack with Rama, but always try to charge shot too

Perfect shots are a big deal to zag and Rama bow

[old glacier]

so... I did this build and beat Hades first try for the first time! Thanks so much to you and everyone else that gave advice. A more focused build and some pointers seemed to be all I needed to get over the hump! It was pretty broken towards the end since I could have Athena's call up about 50% of the time but a win is a win!

[spiral badge]

Congrats!!! A W is a W baby!!

First of many 👍🏻

[old glacier]

now that I beat Hades is it best to focus on beating him with the other weapons for the blood, or focus on one weapon?

[spiral badge]

Maybe once or twice more for confidence, then start switching it up and following whichever weapon is glowing purple for farming for a long, long time

Clearing the game and building confidence in your basic skills is your first step as a player. Your second step is to farm materials and learn to use each different weapon to the fullest. You’re going to spend a long, long time in this step, so settle in after another victory or two and then get to work on sharpening the game skills you’ve started to develop

[jaunty locust]

If I’m doing a zero boon run for memes and dialogue, what’s the best pick? Arthur and shackle?

[spiral badge]

Arthur or hestia

[gusty rapids]

rama works too

[spiral badge]

^^^

[jaunty locust]

Ahhh Rama would be good. Oh, with the big hestia shot that WOULD do a lot, ok

[tough ridge]

is aphrodite great for high heat runs?

the reduced damage would realy be helpful

[spiral badge]

Aphro is great period

[midnight canopy]

Except when she's mad

[spiral badge]

Her, zeus and artemis are the top 3 gods imo

For absolute raw power

[tough ridge]

how does she give raw power?

[spiral badge]

Hermes is silently the 4th one in there

She has the biggest % buffs to any slot she touches across the board

[tough ridge]

i always thought her stuff just make enemy reduce damage

[gusty rapids]

her percentage increases on attack and special are the highest percentages in the game

[spiral badge]

Aphro cheats with damage

[tough ridge]

ohhhh lol

[gusty rapids]

the only other god that can compete for raw damage on attack/special is artemis

[tough ridge]

yeah i didnt notice that

[spiral badge]

and her cast has insane burst damage output

[gusty rapids]

because of crit

[spiral badge]

And ares because ares

[tough ridge]

yeah i noticed her cast HURTS like a beast

[spiral badge]

But aphro is just amazing because she ticks every single box

Aphro cast on talos is an auto-win through the first half of the game basically

[sour temple]

crits are boring

[spiral badge]

No ordinary enemy is still on its feet after 3 +50% blasts of that

[tough ridge]

on my next run how should i run Eris? plan on going 32 heat

[sour temple]

you can get a burst of damage 15 of 100 hits. snore

give me the good damage every hit

Hermes' Rush delivery can give enormous bonuses

[spiral badge]

You misrepresent or misunderstand Artemis deeply if you think her kit begins and ends at that one number

[sour temple]

I'm just putting it as an example

every god can get big numbers if you synergyse

[spiral badge]

Artemis is probably challenged only by ares for raw single target damage

And raw damage output within their kit overall, everything else aside

[sour temple]

I just find it boring

[tough ridge]

nothing is more boring than farming for 30k dark shards lol

[still vortex]

imagine saying playing hades is boring

[tough ridge]

might as well refund the money

and go play mario tennis

[sour temple]

IDK having to do more than 70 clears just so you can max out weapon aspects and keepsakes it pure grinding

[burnt breach]

aphro cast can do some serious work with a hera build, but artemis and chaos gotta be nice to you and give you extra casts

or cast damage

hermes also never seems to want to give me any cast stuff when I try a cast run

i always waste my rolls on him

[opal lodge]

heras pretty flexible in terms of hermes

hyper sprint, quick reload, and extra dashes are all super good in their own ways

i wouldnt really roll over any of them

[burnt breach]

with hera I really prefer to just lean super hard into the cast, but it's always just movement speed or 1 extra dash or something

[opal lodge]

the thing is

dashes help your casts

mobility means its easier to grab your stones

[dusky drum]

yea i mean preferably you get dashes, quick drop, and greter recall

[opal lodge]

hyper sprint is very good on its own

[burnt breach]

I'd rather just try to get the hermes legendary

[opal lodge]

and it means you prioritize rolls on your second hermes for rush delivery

[dusky drum]

since quick drop is proportional just a common is 2.5 seconds

[opal lodge]

the hermes legendary is fine on hera too

hyper delivery is just absolutely busted on every aspect

theres no reason not to take hyper sprint

% increases are amazing for every flat dmg boon, especially casts

[burnt breach]

hyper sprint is just my default when he doesn't give me what I really want

or just gives me commons

[opal lodge]

hyper sprint is fine as a default period

because rush delivery v good

[burnt breach]

dio can also be decent on hera but you gotta get some decent duos

[sour temple]

if you have a common hyper sprint your dash strike damage might not benefit from rush delivery

at least you're trying to power shot dash strike

[jaunty locust]

OH, realization: boonlessr un means I need to take fated authority though, because otherwise I might be stuck with god boons in styx

[opal lodge]

should be within the timeframe for every bow except rama

[jaunty locust]

does daedalus hammer count as a "boon" if you're going boonless? As in, for the purposes of people talkin' to you

[spiral badge]

1, you can always sell stuff at selling wells. 2, if it’s the hades dialog you’re after, I’m pretty sure he only counts core boon slots because I’ve gotten it with chaos and one or two support boons before while keeping my core slots clear. 3, if it’s a shackle run you’re after, feel free to take all the boons you like, just keep attack and special open. Dash slot is a great force modifier for shackle runs, and even the cast slot is worth losing to a boon if you find a good one

boonless can def be done

FA does help though if you’re extra committed

[jaunty locust]

oooooh, okay, so I could pick up TERTIARY boons and be fine? That's spicy, I like that. I was aiming for FULL boonless becuase I didn't know what the threshold is

[spiral badge]

Chaos I know definitely doesn’t count

Cause thats how you scale boonless runs

[umbral seal]

I thought chaos counted

[spiral badge]

Chaos, Charon wells, and artemis dashes

I don’t think the requirements for the dialog are actually all that strict

Someone correct me if I’m wrong

[umbral seal]

ah

[spiral badge]

Artemis is the best god for boonless damage scaling tbh

Take it on the chin and get her cast and dash. Marked target is a huuuuuuge force multiplier

[jaunty locust]

wait, the artemis dash doesn't count???

[spiral badge]

That’s for actual shackle runs though, of course

Not true boonless

[jaunty locust]

right right

[spiral badge]

Like an actual high heat hestia shackle run

[jaunty locust]

if you're using shackle as a damage multiplier right right

[spiral badge]

Artemis is it’s best friend

[jaunty locust]

yeah I"m doing either meme boonless, or "whatever makes daddy respect me" run

[spiral badge]

I think its just the core slots brodawg

I know chaos doesn’t count

[jaunty locust]

wait, that also means that I can pick up Hermes no problem

and revenge boons

hey, I could pick up the zeus "if you dash before getting hit, cast lightning" and then pick up a ton of incidental zeus nonsense

[spiral badge]

Don’t go taking me for gospel, I still tried to be pretty rigorous to get my dialog

But I distinctly recall getting it despite not being able to sell every boon I had, which tells me a whole lot

[jaunty locust]

well, if I need to pare down more I can!

shackle runs ARE pretty fun so far

[spiral badge]

Just keep an eye out for selling wells in styx if you’re desperate

[jaunty locust]

because I can focus on just getting a ton of little cute stuff

[spiral badge]

shackle 💞

[jaunty locust]

I wish I knew about the chaos thing before or I'd have gone with it 😛 alas

WAIT, if you have ||Dad's keepsake, is he like HEY I'M HELPING YOU||

oh, and going shackle makes some of the different heat options really free (having to give away boons doesn't hurt os bad, maybe getting less options isn't as deadly, and the last three choices are less vital)

[jaunty locust]

hmmm

I don't think I got the dialogue

but I only had hermes stuff + hammer stuff

okay, maybe hermes did it

[tough ridge]

do you guys perfer Zag default adamant rail or the Eris for high heat?

[opal lodge]

eris

every time

[jaunty locust]

hoo uhh I think Eris is always popular just because it makes everything you do 75% better