h1-builds-and-combat

[tame parcel]

Yeah. You don't get the extra damage when you use the special.

Well, I don't. But my computer crashes all the time and it breaks things so im just checking thats the correct interaction.

[arctic palm]

i'm just saying i like using it when i can

[sonic ember]

what do you guys think about blizzard shot?

[dusky drum]

thats the pos/dem duo right??

[lime jolt]

never used it

[nocturne raven]

Never used Blizzard shot personally either.

Also, just did my first cast build and chose meme beam (Crystal Beam) for the lols, despite its meme status it can do some serious damage with the right boons powering it.

[dusky drum]

well if its the pos/dem duo i hate it with a passion

it doesnt lodge and enemeis move too much for it to be useful

and the chill doesnt really matter

[sonic ember]

yush, i just posted a build on it on victory boasting

its actually pretty fun

[dusky drum]

unless you have the arctic blast or smth

[sonic ember]

lol

[dusky drum]

i ran it with pos sword and hated it

[sonic ember]

i had it with achilles for damage and 2 extra chaos casts + quick reload

[dusky drum]

i lost so much immediate damage and exit wounds util

[sonic ember]

basically have 10 casts on screen, diidnt matter how slow

[dusky drum]

ah nice

[sonic ember]

i think the problem with that is the build

i expected a bigger cast, but its fine

2k damage per cast + decay damage

[dusky drum]

i mean i personally prefer my athena cast + mirage shot and parting i think

i also got lightning phalanx

i smoked bosses

[sonic ember]

Lightning phalanx is sick

[dusky drum]

i was doing at least 2-3k per 3 casts

and with exit

and i also think i got fully loaded

[sonic ember]

which weep

[dusky drum]

so it was epic

pos sword

[sonic ember]

i havent used pos sword yet

i was thinking about trying it

[dusky drum]

its very fun

you wont run out of casts since you can manually dislodge

and a solid exit wounds is also crazy with it

and with the 50% cast damage

[sonic ember]

yeah

[dusky drum]

just

my favorite sword aspect :3

[sonic ember]

mnm

my faovrite stygian is probably nemesis

dash strikes for days

[dusky drum]

but then again i am a bow enthusiast

i dont hate any of the bows

i just find zag bow to be underwhelming

[sonic ember]

best bow chiron

oh, zag bow is very fun

[dusky drum]

i do love a good chiron run

but yea im down for any bow

i mean like i tried it out after i got aspects and i mad ethe mistake of doing 32 heat

so that might influence my opinon

but after being spoiled with a cast weapon, a dummy strong special, and just rama im very eh on zag bow

[sonic ember]

chiron or rama are good for 32 heat

I think hera too

[dusky drum]

yea ive done 32 with chiron

i just made the mistake of trying 32 with zag bow

[gusty rapids]

zag bow is goated

just needs twin or triple but fantastic once it gets those

[dusky drum]

eh, to me just the 15% isnt enough

like literally every other bow has a more consistent and potentially higher damage output

like literally hera gives you 220 with a standing 3 cast load

which is more than a standing crit

and i can cycle casts easily

and chiron is boon dependant but once you get a strong boon its crazy

and i dont think i need to elaborate on rama

[brazen nest]

I'm so mad at myself

Bahhahaah I lost a perfect eris run cause I wanted to fight charon

I had thunder strike, tidal dash and rocket bomb in tartarus

[dusky drum]

damn

we all get greedy tho

it happens all of the time

[brazen nest]

Blame hermes and his bet

[dusky drum]

lmao, you do gotta beat him twice in a row

i mean you could always just toss some runs into getting good at charon

the fight isnt hard, just a heavy hit

i honestly wanted to see some mroe crazy moves for charon but no, we got some basic waves and one paddle slap

[gusty rapids]

honestly i find chiron muuuuch worse than zag bow now

the 15% is a lot more than i first thought

[lime jolt]

Chiron is just fun

[gusty rapids]

twin/triple, arty attack, and maybe like hunters mark

chefs kiss

also much easier to scale with chaos, either attack or dash strike boons work

[hearty mulch]

You underestimate 15% crit chance. Pressure Points is a single digit crit chance, yet that doesn't stop the occasional crit from landing, so imagine a 15% crit chance in general

Especially with Special

[fervent elbow]

That's Artemis crit chance

[hearty mulch]

I know

I'm using it for comparison

[dusky drum]

i mean assuming the crits are 1rn generation then yea

but i just like the consistency of the other bows

like the fact that i can grab tipsy flare and have 300-600 in one max loaded cast is insane

[brazen nest]

Zag bow best bow

[still vortex]

i prefer the others

[dusky drum]

thank you

[tranquil falcon]

is after party worth considering when epic

[still vortex]

unless you're high heat, I don't take after party ever

[brazen nest]

Since I'm so lucky

[still vortex]

i mean if you plan to sell it, epic gets more coin

[brazen nest]

I got rocket bomb, zeus atk, tidal dash in tartarus again

Then in aspho I forced aphro for special

And empty inside

Also got typhoon fury and breaking waves

I just need sea storm now

[tranquil falcon]

i mean epic doesn't matter as much for coin because exclusive access

[jovial fulcrum]

what would y'all say is better, Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity?

[dusky drum]

hunting blades

especially w/legendary

[jovial fulcrum]

thought so

I'm being offered a heroic demeter cast, over my epic ares cast.

wondered if it was worth taking

[dusky drum]

yea just go for hunting blades

[brazen nest]

HOLY GOD ERIS

12:08

[dusky drum]

epic

[brazen nest]

Rocket cluster bomb epic tidal dash

Man, I love this game

[flat garden]

rocket cluster 👀

[brazen nest]

Mega epic

With aphro special and sweet surrender

Oh cool. Only sword and spear are not sub 18

Why are spears so ugh

All other weapons have at least one aspect you can go unga bunga kill enemies

[dusky drum]

thats the achilles aspect

like its such a good weapon

[brazen nest]

Even with achilles it just feels lack luster compared to zag bow and shield, eris, talos

Which cast should I favor? Poseidon?

[jovial fulcrum]

easiest em3 of my life lol

[brazen nest]

Which build?

[lime jolt]

Use achilles with flurry jab

It was the easiest sub 10 of my life(that’s a joke but still really good)

[brazen nest]

I thought achilles was cast based

[tranquil falcon]

achilles is cast based

[lime jolt]

You can but it’s easier to do flurry jab

[tranquil falcon]

eh

debatable

[lime jolt]

For speedruns i think flurry is better

[tranquil falcon]

i mean it's just that none of the aspects work well with flurry particularly

zag is pure special

[lime jolt]

Excuse me WHAT

[tranquil falcon]

i'm not saying flurry doesn't work

[lime jolt]

just by itself is op

[tranquil falcon]

i'm saying that none of the aspects like help out flurry

[lime jolt]

With Zeus

[tranquil falcon]

exactly

that's what i'm saying

[lime jolt]

Ok

[tranquil falcon]

i'm saying that it's functioning all on it's own

since with hades spear you're erasing the whole aspect, the spin

[lime jolt]

Achilles boosts your attack by 150%👀

[tranquil falcon]

with zag spear it's pure special damage

[tranquil falcon]

attack damage

🤔

[lime jolt]

Both are crucial

The balance out

[tranquil falcon]

and plus

it lasts for 4 attacks

i doubt that 4 attacks with 150% will be a marginal increase especially when it's a lot zeus

[lime jolt]

Zeus damage ~ 13. Spear damage ~ 20 ish i think

[tranquil falcon]

because flurry

[lime jolt]

With achilles normal attack becomes around 60

[tranquil falcon]

what i'm saying is that achilles flurry isn't really achilles moreso it's just flurry

[jovial fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/wrjdL94.png

[tranquil falcon]

achilles isn't like a core part of the build

[jovial fulcrum]

I didnt even have Rend at the time

[tranquil falcon]

it's just the only aspect that actually buffs flurry

even by a small bit

[jovial fulcrum]

wish me luck, about to die to EM4 probably lol

[tranquil falcon]

which aspect?

i see it's fists

is that demeter?

[dusky drum]

i mean hades does too

and is attack and special tho so not as beefy but its time and not 4 hits

[tranquil falcon]

you can't get flurry jab AND spin

the 150% is only on spin

[dusky drum]

true

[tranquil falcon]

after spin*

[dusky drum]

yea so screw flurry :3

i only ever take the spin ones

[tranquil falcon]

i don't think you can even get flurry on hades

[dusky drum]

cuz s p i n

i feel like the spin/throw ones are the only good hammers tbh

[proven osprey]

You can't get flurry jab on good spears indeed

[dusky drum]

and i never do throw builds

[tranquil falcon]

i want to do zeus shield ME

would i put ares on special or attack?

i feel like both would work

special?

but with athena special it's also a floating deflecto wall

[proven osprey]

Both works, damage being a bit better on special so it's preferred

[tranquil falcon]

okay i'll try on the special

also, how bad would damage control be on zeus shield

[jovial fulcrum]

was demeter yes

[proven osprey]

Zeus really handles it well

Still a dps waste tho, avoid if not forced to

[tranquil falcon]

wait doom still procs despite DC right?

[proven osprey]

of course

[tranquil falcon]

alright

oop

i almost started a run while forgetting to choose zeus

lmao

[lime jolt]

But the whole point of flurry jab...

[dusky drum]

:3

who needs spin anyway

hades spear looks cool

[lime jolt]

We were talking about speedrunning

Cast vs flurry

[tranquil falcon]

i was not talking about speedrunning

[lime jolt]

I mean it didn’t look like it

But in general casts are more fun than flurry

Gabriel was asking about spear speedrunning

[tranquil falcon]

oh they were?

alright

also

very stupid idea

i'm at the entrance to elysium

with ME zeus

athena attack ares special and athena dash

and i just had a really dumb idea that just might work

sell athena attack to get ares on both attack and special for ME to only proc on dash

[dusky drum]

umm you have ME already right??

[tranquil falcon]

yes

[dusky drum]

yea feel free to but i think attack you should keep

[tranquil falcon]

rip well i didn't get a chance to sell athena attack anyways

guess i'll just hope for replace lol

also i really wish they showed you hammers in the codex

[dusky drum]

TRUUEEE

that would be epic

but no ;w;

[tranquil falcon]

YOOOOO

I GOT ASTERIUS TO HALF HEALTH

[dusky drum]

yea

[tranquil falcon]

BEFORE HE COULD START THE BEYBLADE

[dusky drum]

oh

nice

[tranquil falcon]

LIKE LITERALLY INSTANTLY

damn

this is an ME moment

[dusky drum]

also that beyblade move hurts on hell mode ;w;

[tranquil falcon]

i mean meg had a part of that

but

[dusky drum]

yea but still

bursting is very cool

whats the rest of your heat??

[tranquil falcon]

16 heat

td2

em4

MM

and LC1

i was gonna do DC1 but it got too annoying

plus i want to immediately meg not wait to meg

rn i'm just trying to get bounties completed

i think shield is actually my lowest bounty

since it never turned purple

[dusky drum]

and im assuming the shield is max lvl??

[tranquil falcon]

yea

all aspects max

[dusky drum]

WAIT IS THAT HOW DARK THIRST WORKS??

I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST RANDOM

damn ive played this game for 2-3 years

[tranquil falcon]

oh no it was random lol

it is random

[dusky drum]

oh ok

[tranquil falcon]

i just picked bounties based on purple

[dusky drum]

nvm then

ah thats fair

[tranquil falcon]

lol

[tranquil falcon]

i got this game for christmas and i already have 170 hours in it

is that a problem

[lime jolt]

same

Although i only have like 100

[tranquil falcon]

does special speed work with zeus how i want it to

[lime jolt]

Idk

[dusky drum]

yea honestly idk how atk speed buffs work

if its lower startup+end or like what

especially since zeus shield is a projectile

[tranquil falcon]

ares please exchange attack

🙂

i got pulverizing blow just for this

smh

or at least impending doom

[dusky drum]

nah the fates will work against you since you got ME somehow

[tranquil falcon]

rip

no exchange

but impending doom

i take

okay special speed just makes it move faster

i think

what effect has the least duos/legendaries?

so like doom has ME and longing

deflect has ME and DR

knockback has sea storm and the legendary

crit has DR, HR, and splitting

[dusky drum]

dem cast has the aphro and arte ones

[tranquil falcon]

hangover has the legendary, low tolerance, splitting, and nausea

[dusky drum]

chill??

what does chill have

like ice wine and the pos/dem one??

[tranquil falcon]

only the legenadty

i mean technically

[dusky drum]

which isnt really anything besides "it has it now"

[tranquil falcon]

but like those are effects that give chill

not buff the chill itself

ig

[dusky drum]

yea

chill poopy :3

[tranquil falcon]

lightning doesn't really have anything either

but it makes up for that with the like 200 zeus boons that combo into each other

[dusky drum]

yea zues has so much synergy with himself

and jolted even gets a buff with dem/zeus

[tranquil falcon]

dad wants to heal?

no

[dusky drum]

lmao

its great when you can deal more than he heals

[tranquil falcon]

i can literally just put the shield right on top of him

then ME does all the work

[brazen nest]

Guys, a build for achilles

[tame bison]

Put a Cast on, throw spear get it back, cast 4x, repeat

[lime jolt]

For speedrunning i would really consider flurry jab

[cosmic citrus]

aphro cast is good for achilles

you can aim at parting shot and max backstab dmg

also mirage shot, if you somehow manage to get both poseidon and artemis

[woven ivy]

guys whats a good build for hades aspect varatha?

[stuck basalt]

potentially ares attack inflicts doom? after you get that opportunity for the big hit you could dash out and wait again, having doom inbetween tbe two hits could be a good way to have a constant damage output

[woven ivy]

ok I'll focus on getting ares boons then

[stuck basalt]

good luck!

[woven ivy]

thanks

[stuck basalt]

no worries :)

[stone escarp]

Why do people hate curse of longing so much?

[stuck basalt]

i think bc it scales down the doom to 50%

feels a bit underwhelming for a duo that has such a low chance of even showing up

[woven ivy]

oh right actually should i aim for merciful end or legendary ares boon?

[stuck basalt]

just my opinion tho

legendary area boon i think is for blade rift?

[stone escarp]

If you reapply doom after it re-strikes does it go back to full damage so you can stack dire misfortune or does it permanently debuff it basically

[stuck basalt]

if you’re going for a do i’d grab a zeus boon to get vengefu mood

vengeful*

vengeful mood inflicts revenge damage even when u don’t take damage

[woven ivy]

ah right that might come in handy since i tend to get hit a lot lmao

wait actually how does that work

[stuck basalt]

so if you get ares impending doom and curse of vengeance and that zeus heaven one i can’t remember the name of

[woven ivy]

does it just deal constant status?

[stuck basalt]

that’s like a free 600 damage just because

i don’t think it’s constant, i don’t know the exact timing

[stone escarp]

It's since every three seconds for vengeful mood I think

[stuck basalt]

i googled it it’s every 3 sec

[woven ivy]

oh thats still pretty good

[stuck basalt]

600 every 3 sec, that’s 12/000 per minute

[woven ivy]

probs will help since im stuck at theseus lmao

[stone escarp]

I'm thinking... fire misfortune on Chiron? 👀

[stuck basalt]

you could clear hades in 3 min just by running a lot

[woven ivy]

bruh

[stone escarp]

Also why the heck is the scaling between rarities on doom applying boons so severe

[stuck basalt]

dude you have the best username

[stone escarp]

Epic is legit doubled than common

[stuck basalt]

gods pride intensifies

[stone escarp]

It's because I
A: simp for Aphrodite
B: am a lesbian
C: am a (kin) succubus
D: as a kin succubus, I basically work for Aphrodite (I flirt with my friends) ||and yes I ask first||
E: don't Google kinning, Google won't explain it

Basically, you vibe with something a whole lot so you just add it to your identity like a cool lookin' sticker, it's just another facet and it's pretty fun

[stuck basalt]

very good explanation

i too am a lesbian and aphrodite simp

[stone escarp]

Y-you what

[stuck basalt]

wish i had the self esteem to flirt w people lmfao

[stone escarp]

Oh no second gay panic of the day

[stuck basalt]

lmao

[stone escarp]

Oh godS

APHRODITE HELP MEEE-

[stuck basalt]

my pfp is a gay lil ghost i’m not exactly subtle

[stone escarp]

[stuck basalt]

rip 😔

[stone escarp]

rip love-chan, she was too bottom

[stuck basalt]

lmfao

[woven ivy]

lmao

[stuck basalt]

we shall not speak@of my countless errors

[stone escarp]

the lurker they were watching

What errors you're perfect dear

[stuck basalt]

speaking of aphrodite i had a crazy run w some of her boons today

don’t wanna spoil but the hidden aspect on the rail

it can attack pretty much constantly

and has a HUGE damage ramp up

[woven ivy]

no reloads?

[stone escarp]

Spoilers allowed
From the channel description uwu

[stuck basalt]

like into the thousands

it reloads but it’s out of 20 and p fast

[woven ivy]

damn thats good

[stuck basalt]

and there’s this one aphro boon where your attack has a 15% chance to inflict charm

[stone escarp]

Do the other rails ramp up..?

[stone escarp]

Oh gods

[stuck basalt]

and bc you’re doing 20 shots in 5 seconds you’re pretty much guaranteed a charm for every monster

it’s so good

maybe i’ll record next time

suffice to say hades SUFFERED at the hands of my satanic laser gun

[woven ivy]

maybe i should start using rail more often lmao

[stone escarp]

So basically it's "simp beam"

[stuck basalt]

it just feels so smooth

oops sorry bot

[stone escarp]

OWNFSKJD YOUR STATUS ITS JUST SOFT

AWWW

[stuck basalt]

it’s very descriptive of my personality

[rich geyser]

Math wise, is Artemis better or Aphro better over the longer term? Aphro has highest percentages but Arty has crit multipliers.

[stuck basalt]

i think it depends on the weapon

[stone escarp]

They/them lesbians are super valid by the way :)))

[woven ivy]

i usually go for artemis in my builds

[stone escarp]

You're valid ❤️

[woven ivy]

aphro is good for range weapons i think

[stuck basalt]

if you’re going for constant damage like with a rail or fists then probably aphrodite

[woven ivy]

oh right

[stuck basalt]

if you want those big single in and out hits like with a bow i’d say artemis

[woven ivy]

does charm stack

[coral cave]

No

[stuck basalt]

charm doesn’t

i think weak might?

[coral cave]

Weak doesn't stack either

[woven ivy]

was it hangover?

[coral cave]

Hangover does stack yeah

So does chill

[stuck basalt]

hangover can stack if you get a certain duo with aphro iirc

[woven ivy]

i have never met demeter actually

[coral cave]

Doom can also stack if you have dire misfortune

[woven ivy]

is she a lategame god or am i just missing every opportunity

[stuck basalt]

to meet demeter you have to have a clear first

[woven ivy]

aaaa i see

[coral cave]

Yeah

[woven ivy]

that explains it

[stone escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/812033191677657138/Screen_Shot_2021-02-18_at_10.24.51_AM.png

[stuck basalt]

if you’re trying for your first clear can i recommend a certain build

[stone escarp]

[woven ivy]

sure sure

[stuck basalt]

chaos shield+ ares special

is so good

the shield can block, which is a huge advantage

[coral cave]

Only thing that would make that run better would be splitting headache

[woven ivy]

welp i guess i have to save titan blood then lmao

[lime jolt]

Or reach the final boss

[stuck basalt]

and throwing out multiple attacks which inflict doom is both satisfying and effective

[woven ivy]

i bought zeus shield

[stuck basalt]

don’t worry about saving, just when you get the chance :)

[woven ivy]

ok then

[stuck basalt]

do you have the spear unlocked?

[woven ivy]

i have every weapon unlocked

[stuck basalt]

try the spear w nyx keepsake

you get +15% striking from the back

[lime jolt]

I would suggest for first clears use eris

Its so easy and simple

[stuck basalt]

which is extra damage every time you return the spear

great for getting through theseus if he keeps blocking

[woven ivy]

whoa i didnt know that counted

[stuck basalt]

bc u can strike from the back :)

[stuck basalt]

eris is the one with the empowered shot right?

[lime jolt]

No

[woven ivy]

i think im in the middle of a run with spear rn so I'll switch to that once i reach elysium

[stuck basalt]

have fun!

[lime jolt]

With eris if you land in the special it gives you a global damage buff

[woven ivy]

thanks!

[stuck basalt]

oh right

[worldly forum]

Especially if you get the Vicious Skewer hammer. Mmmm crits.

[stuck basalt]

mmmmmnn crits

[lime jolt]

So use zeus on the attack, poseidon on dash, and artemis on special(if u can)

[quiet tide]

Kind of went past this by now, but you only have to reach the surface to meet Demeter. You don't need to actually clear the final boss

[worldly forum]

Achilles aspect + lots of artemis + vicious skewer is so much fun

[stuck basalt]

oops lol ty :)

[woven ivy]

actually im a bit confused on what achilles aspect does

[worldly forum]

Special spam, bull rush for extra damage and repositioning like an extra dash, fill in with some attacks, preferably with a curse. Chef's kiss

[woven ivy]

do you run to your spear instead of it going to you?

[stuck basalt]

instead of returning the spear to you, you rush to the spear

try it out w skelly

[lime jolt]

After teleporting to your spear you get 150% damage

[worldly forum]

So, if you throw the spear, you can press b to rush to it and gain extra damage, or you can press x to return it as usual

[woven ivy]

oh thats better than i thought

[worldly forum]

err, fill in pc controls, sorry lol

[stuck basalt]

it’s like a bullrush w shield but you rush to where the spear is

[opal lodge]

it can boost any of your next four actions

[lime jolt]

I think chaos shield is the most overrated weapon in the game but I guess it might be ok

[opal lodge]

other than special

[worldly forum]

And it's faster, and longer. Flying around the map

[opal lodge]

chaos shield is very good

[lime jolt]

Eh

[stuck basalt]

note: if you’re using the achilles aspect don’t take nyx’s keepsake bc you won’t get the backstab damage

[opal lodge]

its just not the broken weapon it used to be

[woven ivy]

yea i mean i dont have achilles aspect

[worldly forum]

Wait, not bullrush. I was talking about achilles spear, what's it called

[woven ivy]

so i'll try out the nyx keepsake like you said

[lime jolt]

I think the only reason I don’t like it is because i time out

[stuck basalt]

chaos shield got me my first clear and i shall defend it to my dying breath

[lime jolt]

Its so SLOWWW

[stuck basalt]

take hermes boons!

there’s one that makes your special faster

[worldly forum]

I actually haven't used chaos shield yet, Zeus shield got me my first clear, and all but one of my subsequent shield clears

[lime jolt]

It just feels slow

[stuck basalt]

good old zeus

[woven ivy]

zeus shield is so good tbh

[lime jolt]

My first clear was eris

[woven ivy]

free area damage

[lime jolt]

And its op

[worldly forum]

I somehow pulled out a secret aspect clear with a terrible run

[stuck basalt]

im slowly upping the heat and getting clears w every weapon for those sweet sweet bounties

helps me get better at all of them

[worldly forum]

That's what I'm doing too

[stuck basalt]

i acc havent tried zeus shield yet

[worldly forum]

Currently on 7 heat with hera bow

Hera bow so much fun

[stuck basalt]

will give that a shot in my next farming run to practise

[lime jolt]

My advice is put high heat and see how well you do

[stuck basalt]

im about to start the six heat round

[woven ivy]

zeus shield is what made me get the furthest i have reached so far

[lime jolt]

Then keep practicing a few heat lower than that

[stuck basalt]

i would but i have a 31 clear streak and i have a superficial sense of accomplishment from that

[quiet tide]

Zeus shield plus Zeus boon with lightning strikes on special is ridiculous

[coral cave]

Zeus shield is probably my fav shield

[worldly forum]

Yeah, I think I'm going to jump up to 10 minimum, bounties be damned, for a few runs at least

[coral cave]

All the other shields are just

[quiet tide]

Mostly the lightning would just hit once but with that shield it hits like 20 times lol

[stuck basalt]

poseidon sword + artemis cast is super fun too

CHAOS SHIELD

grr

[lime jolt]

My highest heat at the time was 10 and then i dropped a fat 32 and after 5 tries i got it

Lmao

[worldly forum]

See, I liked it because it made the shield usable for me (I literally can't use Zag), but I think it's soooo boooooring

[stuck basalt]

goddamn

[worldly forum]

Blitz shield so slooowww

[woven ivy]

yea lmao i was able to clear entire chambers without attacking cuz of it

[stuck basalt]

yeah from what i’ve seen w skelly it looks pretty slow

[woven ivy]

that makes it better tho

[lime jolt]

Yes that’s what I’m saying just dive right into it

[stuck basalt]

must suck for high heat if you’ve got tight deadline on

[lime jolt]

Up the heat a lot

[woven ivy]

cuz more damage to the enemy if they get caught up

[lime jolt]

Worked for me

[stuck basalt]

ferpect what pact setup are you running?

[coral cave]

Shield is easily my least favorite weapon

[worldly forum]

I knooowww but it's just not as much fun now that I'm better at moving and positioning lol. Though, recalling it and having it follow around is always a good time.

[coral cave]

It's so slow I can't

[lime jolt]

Same

Just for the slowness

Except beowulf

Beowulf easily top 3 weapon for me

But i used to time out with the shield all the time

Until beowulf

[worldly forum]

I thought I'd love beowulf because I love Hera, but it played kinda awkward for me

I'm not good at bull rush

[lime jolt]

Takes a while to get used to

[woven ivy]

shield is slow but is more beginner friendly imo

[lime jolt]

Except beowulf

[stuck basalt]

i got beowulf one clear for the prophecy but i didn’t particularly enjoy it

[coral cave]

Beo is too

[quiet tide]

Minotaur Rush is great if you can get it

[stuck basalt]

felt v clunky

[woven ivy]

is that the hidden aspect?

[coral cave]

Just don't like the shield in general

[stuck basalt]

yeah

[lime jolt]

With beo

Wut

[quiet tide]

I haven't used that aspect

[stuck basalt]

ugh i wanna give asterius nectar so bad

[lime jolt]

With beo you want sudden and piercing

[quiet tide]

Does it not have that?

[worldly forum]

I'm torn between shield and rail as my least favorite. Hoping luci aspect makes it better, if I can figure out how to get it lol

[stuck basalt]

also if anyone here hasn’t tried the talos fists, they’re super fun

[stuck basalt]

lmk if you want instructions

it’s so damn fun

[quiet tide]

Rail with Chain Lightning is pretty nice, but feels impossible to use otherwise

[stuck basalt]

lol i’m biased i find everything fun

[lime jolt]

Lucy is very underwhelming at first but with practice and right builds it’s epic

[woven ivy]

tbh i dont really have a least fave weapon in hades lmao

[stuck basalt]

but posiedon sword, chaos shield, and lucifer rail especially

[woven ivy]

used to hate the bow but after playing around with it i started liking that too

[stuck basalt]

bow is my least fave but it’s still fun

[lime jolt]

I like all the weapons

[stuck basalt]

i love pulling off those power shots

[lime jolt]

Like equally

[worldly forum]

Yeahh actually I would lol

[coral cave]

Rama is cracked

[lime jolt]

Fax

[coral cave]

Got my fastest time with the bow with rama

[stuck basalt]

to unlock lucy you have to have first unlocked guan yu

then i think you have to spent 5 titan blood on non zag aspects per weapon

[coral cave]

All hidden aspects require unlocking guan yu first

[lime jolt]

Fastest time with me is eris

[coral cave]

Mine too

[stuck basalt]

it might be overall or per weapon i can’t remember

[coral cave]

9:14

[woven ivy]

poseidon's effect seems pretty meh to me tbh

[lime jolt]

Wow that’s a good rama time

[stuck basalt]

but after that u just have to talk to zeus

[coral cave]

No it's with eris

[stuck basalt]

and he’ll give the waking phrase

[coral cave]

Fastest rama is 11:36

[stuck basalt]

try it with exit wounds from artemis

[lime jolt]

Oh ok

My fastest time so far is 9:09 with eris(of course)

[stuck basalt]

honestly poseidon sword + exit wounds + true shot + support fire is amazing

[lime jolt]

Support fire?

[woven ivy]

i see

[stuck basalt]

whenever you cast attack or special fire a seeking arrow

it does 10 base damage w common

[lime jolt]

Support fire is questionable

Yeah ik what it means

[stuck basalt]

12 w rare, i don’t remember how it scales off the top of my head

[stuck basalt]

if you’re spamming that cast and special i find it adds up, but it’s down to personal preference ofc

[coral cave]

Support fire is great with fast weapons like fists and rail

[lime jolt]

With poseidon sword idk if it would work well

[coral cave]

Even spear

[flat garden]

support fire is a nice addition

but not on my hit list for most seeked out boon

when running posei

[worldly forum]

Ah ok, thank you, that's the last aspect I need, actually kinda expected to get it from hades

[stuck basalt]

no worries :)

[worldly forum]

I do love support fire when I can get it

[stuck basalt]

yeah for posiedon sword build i take true shot and exit wounds as the backbone, and support fire as... support lol

[rich geyser]

Support fire and exit wounds are the prerequisites for Artemis legendary, right?

[stuck basalt]

obligatory hades shoutout for cast bulbs

builds

[rich geyser]

So I’ll take support fire when I can

[stuck basalt]

hermes**

yeah i think so

[flat garden]

think so

isnt pp one too

[stuck basalt]

brb i’ll look it up

[flat garden]

i'd much rather go for pp than sf

[rich geyser]

Yup PP too

[lime jolt]

Support fire is very overrated

[rich geyser]

It’s 2/3 of PP, SF and EW

[flat garden]

yeah i'd rather get PP and EW to get the legendary

[lime jolt]

For pos sword yeah

[flat garden]

i'll only take SF if it's the only one that seems better

[stuck basalt]

i feel like demeter boons are either really good or practically useless

[lime jolt]

I tried a 32 pos sword run and got absolutely annihilated with FO

[stuck basalt]

there’s no like, oh this is alright, it’s always so extreme

[rich geyser]

Does SF have a cool down like lightning does? I’m thinking about Chiron builds

[stuck basalt]

i don’t think so

[flat garden]

dont think so

it's pretty meh with the base damage so it'd be even worse if it had a cooldown lol

[stuck basalt]

if you’re using support fire w a rail will it be one arrow per round or one arrow per ammo slot

[lime jolt]

Lmao

[stuck basalt]

bc firing 22 arrows w the zag aspect would be crazy

[coral cave]

One arrow per bullet

[stuck basalt]

WOAH

i have got to try that sometime

[coral cave]

Yea it's crazy

[stuck basalt]

support fire epic is 16 damage per arrow right?

[half crater]

idk if it’s quite 1 arrow per bullet

there’s an ICD on support fire

[stuck basalt]

16x22= 352

[half crater]

but either way it’s a lot of arrows and it’s very good

[stuck basalt]

yo that’s a crazy amount of extra damage

[flat garden]

yeah SP is good on fists or rail

pierces through shields too

[stuck basalt]

if you have that with maybe splash dash to keep the enemy away

all my homies hate shields

[flat garden]

you just need to make sure your rounds hit though lol

[stuck basalt]

auto aim w controller gang

pretty hard not to hit

[worldly forum]

Epic support fire + Chiron bow + Relentless Volley + Zeus or Artemis special is insanity

Even better if you get the consecutive hits hammer too

[flat garden]

zeus special with chain lightning 😩 👌

room clearing like it's nothing

[worldly forum]

Double Strike too if you're lucky

[flat garden]

oh wait does zeus special inflict chain lightning or regular lightning

i forget

[coral cave]

Chain

Double strike doesn't work I'm pretty sure

[worldly forum]

No, special isn't chain, attack is

Fairly certain at least

Yeah, just checked since I have it, it's a lightning bolt

[flat garden]

yeah its regular

oh yeah, lightning bolt and chain lightning

[coral cave]

I thought you were talking about attack whoops

[flat garden]

if chiron special had chain lightning it would be bonkers

[worldly forum]

this isn't build related but is there something I need to do to unlock different fish because I catch every one I see and it's the same one I already have, about half of them

[dusky drum]

what you catch is dependant on the timing of you catching it

i.e a perfect catch will net you a scillycion(i did not spell that right) in tart

while being really far off will net you a hellfish(common)

[worldly forum]

Oh really? Had no idea

[static ibex]

Yeah, gotta be quick

[dusky drum]

stuff like crusteans and knucklheads are the "close to perfect" catch but you can still net them with a perfect

so like to fill the codex you might have to be purposley bad at fishing

[static ibex]

My anecdotum - I've caught about 200 fish yet only 5 legendaries, lol

[dusky drum]

once i started getting good at the fish game i got only legendary fish :3

like stergons 3 times in a row(when they spawned that is)

[stuck basalt]

the first time a fish got me ambrosia my jaw dropped

i was so shook i thought it was just a cute little mini game but NO there are STAKES

[dusky drum]

lol yea you can get blood from sterguns or however you spell it

[stuck basalt]

how do y’all catch fish? wait for the splash animation or the sound?

[dusky drum]

yes

[stuck basalt]

thank you

[dusky drum]

np

[stone escarp]

I can't take it anymore

[stuck basalt]

lol

[stone escarp]

(I have no idea what I'm doing)

[stuck basalt]

dw i have not once in my whole life known what im@doing

it’s literally 5am rn

[stone escarp]

You never replied to the they/them lesbian comment

[quiet tide]

Wait until the lure goes under or you see a flash

[stuck basalt]

i didn’t see it

if you copy paste or tag it doe i’ll respond?

down*

re the comment i saw the fish thing ty very much :)

[stone escarp]

🥺❤️

[stuck basalt]

:)

[quiet tide]

You have to be jumpy for a perfect, but too much and you'll reel it in on a fake bob

[quiet tide]

Np

[stuck basalt]

yeah i tend to go by sound and i get perfect catches maybe 50/50

[stone escarp]

I actually measure the bobs

I can kinda guess when it'll happen

[quiet tide]

Hard to say how many perfects I've gotten because you can still catch a rare on a perfect catch, but I've only gotten one or two legendaries

I thought it was random

[stone escarp]

I can get a legendary about 1 in 4 times because after each bob there's a pause, and after that pause there's a chance (maybe 1 in 2) that it goes under

Well, it bobs, bobs again, pauses, or goes under

[stuck basalt]

quick maffs

[stone escarp]

There's like three things

bob.......... bob............. bob.............. boBLOOCATCH

[quiet tide]

1 in 4 legendaries is perfects half the time, right

I'll try to remember that, thanks

[worldly forum]

Trying gilgamesh for the first time. Chaos gate, slothful backstab boon, 4 rounds, -53% move speed. Got 3 rooms, then a fountain, then the last shop, so now I get to go into EM Meg in slow motion. Joy.

[quiet tide]

Ouch

I always check room number before I go into Chaos

[worldly forum]

Oh, also, I have forced overtime on, so I'm slow, she's fast, this is hell

[stone escarp]

Has anyone else gotten the in game event where Poseidon gives you Huge Catch in the first room just for putting on the conch shell after buying the rod?

[quiet tide]

Yes, it was great. Got 11 fish

[stone escarp]

There was voice lines and everything

[quiet tide]

Actually, no

[stone escarp]

I died ✌️

[quiet tide]

I had another keepsake equipped but he overrode it

[stone escarp]

Pog

[quiet tide]

Oh... did you catch anything first?

[worldly forum]

All. 3. DDs.And on 10 HP after those. Big Oof

[worldly forum]

Yep!

[stone escarp]

I think I got to Styx and died there so ye

[quiet tide]

Did you have Extreme Measures on?

[worldly forum]

EM1 and Forced Overtime

[quiet tide]

Sounds terrible

[worldly forum]

It was. I'm using tooth in Asphodel. This is awful lol

[quiet tide]

By the way, that specific encounter is required to get the Skeletal Lure in Charons shop, right?

I heard something like that, and in my own experience I had never gotten it before then and then got it twice that run

[rare kindle]

Don’t believe so

Just need to have fishing rod

[worldly forum]

I'm not sure, I got that event immediately after buying the rod like goddess simp

Oops

[quiet tide]

Honestly I had never gotten it before and now get it consistently

[quiet tide]

Did you ever get Skeletal Lure before the event?

[worldly forum]

Gilgamesh fists + athena attack and dash makes the witches circle a breeze. Only good thing about this run so far

[stuck basalt]

those witches will be the death of me

[quiet tide]

Gotta have that Divine Dash

No matter how good you are it feels impossible to come out from cover without getting hit, one of them is always shooting

Shield with the laser instead of dash might be useful, but I've never tried

[worldly forum]

Yeah, I've done that before, it's not too bad

[quiet tide]

How quick is it to go back into blocking after shooting?

[worldly forum]

It's not immediate, but if you can time it right it works alright. Not as good as athena, mind, but not badly

[hearty estuary]

What are the easiest levels of heat?

[flat garden]

extreme measures 2 is pretty easy compared to without them

if you are confident in your speed (finishing a run in under <28 minutes), you can try out tight deadline 2 for size

forced overtime is weird, but with enough practice fo1 is manageable

[honest wing]

tight deadline 1 is free heat

[flat garden]

try heightened security :^)

[honest wing]

middle management is easily gotten used to

damage control if you have a fast hitting weapon like rail or fists or some bows

jury summons is just a bit more enemies

[patent pewter]

damage control is free heat if you have zeus attack too

or aim for support fire but thats less reliable

[flat garden]

does zeus chain lightning pierce through shields?

[stone escarp]

let us discuss: why is Zeus attack so weak

why on earth am I going to pick 11 damage

it's probably really good on like lucifer ngl

but like if you're using hestia and you take zeus attack

it's a joke

[coral cave]

well chain lightning is only good for fast weapons

on slower weapons like bow or shield it is terrible

[devout bloom]

Satyrs are annoying I need some help

[patent pewter]

eris zeus is good 😛

but as mentioned, quick fire weapons are good, cos those usually have lower damage base, so adding lightning to it can almost double the damage per shot

[devout trellis]

What are some good Beowulf build?

I tried ice wine, curse of drowning, hunting blades

[devout bloom]

Any tips on countering satyrs

[devout trellis]

@devout bloom divine dash😂

[devout bloom]

no idea what that is

[devout trellis]

Athena dash

Are you playing in CN version?

[woven ivy]

the counter to everything lmao

[devout bloom]

Nah

EN version

All I do is wait for them to shoot their shot and dash behind them 😏

[woven ivy]

see with divine dash you dont even need to wait

just dash

[patent pewter]

or dash when they shoot you have iframes

don't stay stationary when they're shooting you , and you can register hits

[rugged scaffold]

honestly i sometimes forget that athena has other boons than divine dash

[patent pewter]

phallanx can work against satyr too

[flat garden]

i thought little of phalanx until i got lightning phalanx and discovered that its my favourite cast

[rich geyser]

It says a lot that they have to incentivise non-dash attacks by removing dash as a prereq for the duos

[fierce hare]

crush shot on hera's bow is so good

[cloud vault]

Flood Flare - > Mirage Shot

[honest wing]

I can literally so many good duos rn

[real crest]

Isn't mirage shot good with any Hera build

[honest wing]

I'm doing beowulf trippy flare rn

it's epic

second wind and billowing strength acquired

just waiting for smouldering air

[real crest]

I personally don't like dio for Hera and beo because it takes to long to drop blood stone but with timer I am now realising is prob good

[brazen nest]

Guys, achilles build, please

[honest wing]

guys

too much choice

I have scintillating feast and smouldering air in front of me

I take scintillating right

[brazen nest]

Yes

[real crest]

Yes

[honest wing]

dio is the next room

could have gone for smould

or do I go for the athena room to get parting shot

[real crest]

What's parting shot

[brazen nest]

Get dio legendary now

Mega trippy flare

[honest wing]

too late

[flat garden]

athena/arty duo

i think?

[honest wing]

I'm getting calculated risk now lmao

[honest wing]

yea

[real crest]

Oh yeah I remember

[flat garden]

oh no

it's aphro athena

athena arty is deadly reversal

[honest wing]

yea I read that wrong lol

[brazen nest]

Best cast for achilles is poseidon or zeus?

[flat garden]

demeter

lmao idk i dont use it that often

i do like using it with crystal clarity though

[real crest]

Achilles has nothing that helps casts so whatever you like

[coral cave]

ares is p good

hunting blades

[real crest]

Ares is my fav cast

[honest wing]

achilles casts you want hunting blades crystal clarity or blizzard shot

[brazen nest]

What

[coral cave]

achilles gives you +150% damage

applies to casts too

[real crest]

Oh whoops

[brazen nest]

It's not global

[coral cave]

global ish

[flat garden]

its attack/cast not global

very far from it

[coral cave]

nvm

[flat garden]

a 150% global boost would be godly

[brazen nest]

Hunting blades takes forever sometimes

Flood shot -> sea storm would be "easier"

[real crest]

Not as much damage tho

[brazen nest]

Ye

[honest wing]

yoo what if I got pressure points I really can't but like with billowing and priv stat and everything I'm doing 600 damage trippy flares

really need parting shot rn

and rush delivery would be so OP I have second wind and hyper sprint

[real crest]

Is trippy flare the most damage in 1 shot

[brazen nest]

Rush delivery is always op

I can't think of a situation RD isn't just broken

[real crest]

No cast challenge

[brazen nest]

Still bonkers cause dash strike

[real crest]

??

Isn't rush just cast goes to you automatically

[coral cave]

no

rush delivery is extra damage based on movement speed boosts

[real crest]

Really how to get

[coral cave]

you need a hermes movement speed boon first

then you can get it after that

[devout trellis]

Also, what are some fun Beowulf cast?

[coral cave]

its honestly very op

[real crest]

Is it in codex

[coral cave]

yes

[real crest]

Ares with hunting blades

[devout trellis]

I tried curse of drowning, the lag after bull rush feels weird

@real crest tried it, but ares cast on Beowulf has shorter duration

So less damage

[real crest]

Ah I thought it was same as hera

[devout trellis]

Nah, ares hunting blades is best on Achilles

[real crest]

But Achilles is only 4 strikes

[fair cairn]

ares cast lasts shorter with hera and beowulf so not ideal

[brazen nest]

Hyper sprint > rush delivery

[flat garden]

curse of drowning on beo sucks

[fair cairn]

achilles also lasts for 4 casts

[devout trellis]

Four casts with hunting blades is plenty enough

[brazen nest]

Hyper sprint give absurd movement boost after dash

[fair cairn]

which with hunting blades kill everything on screen

you dont need more

[brazen nest]

Rush delivery gives global dmg+ = to movement boost

[devout trellis]

Any Beowulf cast candidates thou

Curse of drowning is a lot of damage

[brazen nest]

Now imagine that with talos and blade dash

Or pretty much any build

[devout trellis]

But extremely clunky to use

[fair cairn]

aphro works best beowulf

followed by dio and maybe poseidon

[brazen nest]

A rare rush delivery is 85% spd boost iirc

[devout trellis]

Aphrodite doesn’t have duo cast right?

I only use Aphrodite on Hera

[brazen nest]

Epic is 100%

[honest wing]

I got smouldering

[brazen nest]

I'm bad at beowulf

[honest wing]

I am a god

[fair cairn]

Aphro gets you parting shot which is useful on cast builds

[brazen nest]

Zag shield is easier, tho not as powerful

[devout trellis]

They really should fix that short delay with curse of drowning

So much potential wasted

[honest wing]

just need parting shot and black out

[real crest]

Do you keep specialiing and the buff refreshes before the 4 hits runs out so it is infinite

[honest wing]

I really started this build with the intent of getting black out

[devout trellis]

@real crest I mean, depends on you

[brazen nest]

What

[devout trellis]

I use Achilles as pure cast weapon

But I know some people also use it as physical weapon

[real crest]

Hmm I'll try it but Ares cast is multiple hit so the buff lasting 4 strikes is not good for it right

[devout trellis]

Oh, it last on each cast

[brazen nest]

It doesn't matter

[devout trellis]

Entire duration

[brazen nest]

It is the "next four casts"

[real crest]

Ok it's op then good to know

[devout trellis]

Yeah, but before you get hunting blades it’s very painful.....

[brazen nest]

Either 4 strikes or casts

Yes, that's why I was thinking of poseidon

Better early game

[real crest]

Nah I've mastered the art of Ares cast I'll be fine

[devout trellis]

At high heat the build is just too slow to work

Sometimes the rng just fks you

[honest wing]

ah didnt get parting shot but I got proud bearing

[real crest]

I run the heat I need for rewards

[brazen nest]

Flood shot likes mirage shot or even blizzard, but it's not obligatory

[devout trellis]

Poseidon cast with Demeter duo is also great

Especially for room clear

Bosses? Kinda meh

[brazen nest]

Breaking waves and typhoon fury good

The problem with flood shot is bosses

Unless you get epic hermes

[real crest]

Bye now I'm running an Achilles Ares run

[devout trellis]

That’s why you get dou with Demeter

[honest wing]

LET

[devout trellis]

The dot works okay

[honest wing]

LET'S GOO BLACK OUTTT

[brazen nest]

Super duper uber trippy flare @honest wing

Nice

[honest wing]

hell yea

if only I had ice wine

demeter instead of athena coz I didn't get parting shot

[brazen nest]

Ice wine is chef kiss

[honest wing]

I also have +69% damage when 3 more foes are hangover afflicted

also does smouldering air stack with itself

[brazen nest]

Once I got all trippy shot boosters

[honest wing]

also I'm pretty sure I had hermes in the styx shop but didn't have the money

or otherwise rush delivery poggers

[brazen nest]

I want to Play

But my wife is sleeping

[honest wing]

F

[patent pewter]

whats a fun chaos shield build

[devout trellis]

merciful end

or Dionysus special

or Artemis special shotgun

or zeus special and see lighting balls across room

or athena defect on special

i mean, most things works on chaos shield

[cloud vault]

Yeah everything works it's just that it all sucks

[patent pewter]

lmaoooo

[devout trellis]

is there any good duo boons on nemesis?

i feel like it's just artemis all the way

trying to explore some other possibilities

chaos shield is pretty decent, just not op, it's very solid, people love it especially in 40 or 50 heat above

[spiral badge]

Other builds the “optimal” build is just that, “optimal” and there are lots of other builds that work fine

But nemesis.....

Nemesis just kind of wants a certain build in a way that other weapons don’t

[cloud vault]

Yes

Heart rend

[spiral badge]

Because of the inbuilt crit mechanism

[cloud vault]

Ideal nemesis is Arty attack, Aphro special

[stuck basalt]

for nemesis sword potentially you could take pash dash to try and get the aphro duo

[spiral badge]

With that already online your best option 100% of the time is to lean into the crit aspect and go for more more more

Which is basically one build

[cloud vault]

You could also forgo the divine Dash for a faster run where you go Divine special and Aphro dash

Nemesis with reversal and heart Rend is no joke

[stuck basalt]

yeah i’d take divine dash over passion dash any day

[spiral badge]

Kind of like zag bow

Once you know you’re going to be regularly dealing crit damage, your best option is pretty much always going to be boons that increase that crit stat in one way or another

[fair locust]

but it does sorta incentivise just doing artemis runs

its why i like zag sword on runs where i know i wont be leaving casts in people

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With those two in particular the meta is a little monopolar, indeed

[fair locust]

its also why i dont really like doing too many gun or bow runs

i always end up doing zeus on them since i havent experimented too much

[cloud vault]

Zeus is no good on bows for the most part

[devout trellis]

interesting, i will look into that

when i used nemesis i was going full arti

works the best

[fair locust]

no good on bows?

well, with chiron its kinda crappy since they i-frame it

but rama seems to work fairly well

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Rama is the exception he was talking about lol

[fair locust]

cant imagine why youd use zeus on the other two aspects ye

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Rama special zeus is a lolcow of a build

[fair locust]

i hate it because i keep using it

its too good

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Use something else

You’ll discover that it’s a meme build mostly

[fair locust]

i tried one time and i got epic zeus flourish in the first chamber

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Funny, but not true to Rama’s purpose

Well hell, sometimes the gods decide for you 😂

Roll with Lord Zeus’ plans

[fair locust]

i dont really enjoy the rama attack

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Rama attack is a skill that takes mastery