I like arthur with arty attack
#h1-builds-and-combat
drifting robin
drifting robin
I’ve gotten 2k crits with it
jovial fulcrum
that was me with exagryph
drifting robin
Hestia?
brazen nest
I've gotten 1k crist with zag bow
jovial fulcrum
It took me forever to get the waking phrase for exagryph
brazen nest
Who gives exa again?
jovial fulcrum
Zeus
jovial fulcrum
Zeus has so much random stuff to say, it took me like 20 runs after I'd got the other hidden aspects to unlock Lucifer lol
drifting robin
Looking at everyone here I’m realizing how lucky I got with my aspects
I’ve gotten all of them practically first try
jovial fulcrum
Arthur took a little while, but omg Lucifer lol
drifting robin
Oof
jovial fulcrum
I'm convinced the Zeus in my downloaded is programmed to be a professional tease
So many runs I've been waiting on Zeus for a pre req for a duo lol
brazen nest
I'm missing arthur and luci
jovial fulcrum
I didn't get Cold Fusion until, like, yesterday
brazen nest
Zag bow twin perfect shot with heart rend
jovial fulcrum
because Zeus just wouldn't show up whenever i had Demeter on call
brazen nest
Saucy
You could've forced him
Just use the signet
Before the 4 gods of the run appear
Then use the conch for demeter
Have some rerolls on cue
jovial fulcrum
Oh, I did use signet
and proceeded to have Zeus show up once afterwards for the entire run
brazen nest
The mirror skill that gets you more duo/legendaries helps a lot
jovial fulcrum
it was like, lol wtf man
drifting robin
Lmao that was me one time trying to get aphro/dio duo
jovial fulcrum
If you force one they appear too, I'm pretty sure
drifting robin
You can force more
jovial fulcrum
I feel like I've definitely had fifth gods appear multiple times before
drifting robin
And they can appear again
cloud vault
You can only have 4 gods naturally in the pool, the rest you have to force with keepsakes
brazen nest
Also vengeful mood needs 3 boons before it
cloud vault
Not including Hermes or chaos
jovial fulcrum
Cold Fusion is a real tough one.
It requires a tier 2 boon from Zeus
I'm trying to think of another Duo that has a tier 2 as a requirement
brazen nest
The gods I meant
jovial fulcrum
Some times though you just get shafted and dont get your duo until Styx
hearty mulch
It isn't easy to get a duo in Tartarus
brazen nest
Usually by asphodel I get the duos I want
hearty mulch
I literally got the two ingredients for ME in Tartarus yet never got ME
Even with the mirror upgrade for more duos
brazen nest
This last run I had curse of longing and smoldering air
hearty mulch
It's all chance if you get one
brazen nest
Actually I've been getting smoldering air almost all runs that zeus appears
Lol
Not even kidding
jovial fulcrum
I had an ME run.
Had Athena Flourish and Ares Attack on floor 3
didn't get ME until styx
brazen nest
Smoldering air is such a nice thing
jovial fulcrum
it is yeah
brazen nest
Spamming zeus aid is 
jovial fulcrum
Smoldering Air Dio is nutty
brazen nest
Super fun too
jovial fulcrum
Smoldering Air/ Low Tolerance Dio
cunning urchin
Any boons you see will be from random gods until you have boons from 4+ gods. (Master Chaos and Lord Hermes don't count.) When you have boons from 4+ gods, any boons you see will be from gods you already have.
So yes, when you force a fifth good with a keepsake, they will enter the "pool".
limber cloak
also, the chance of you seeing a god (that you already have in your pool) when you havent filled out your pool is 1/8, whereas the odds of seeing a god when you have filled your pool is 1/x ( where x is however many gods you have in your pool)
cunning urchin
You can see more than 4 gods naturally if you have fewer than 4 by the time you reach a shop.
brazen nest
Having dark foresight also helps a lot
brazen nest
The one that rerolls the boons to choose helps more with duos, in my experience
jovial fulcrum
If you're doing well, it also lets you get a ton out of wells in Styx
I've walked in to Hades with like 6 well items, between Hourglass and Rerolls on well
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also, the chance of you seeing a god (that you already have in your pool) when y...
I want to break this open a little bit for some clarification. The 1/8 odds, what value do you refer to there? Are you saying that a room has a 1/8 chance of rolling as a god boon before the pool is filled, or that the boon rooms that do turn up will have an equal (1/8) chance of rolling any given god before your pool gets to 4 and “locks” in?
limber cloak
I believe its boon rooms
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As in, the first statement is true?
limber cloak
the second one
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Or the second 👀
limber cloak
is true
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Ah
Ok, we agree
I thought I might have missed something lol
I swear that 2nd statement is still biased though
I’ve ignored Dio 3 times in a row trying to get the RNG to feed me something else but nooooo, the game decides its party time 😤😤
limber cloak
I’ve ignored Dio 3 times in a row trying to get the RNG to feed me something els...
lmaoo so true
jovial fulcrum
Imagine not wanting to hang out with your best mate
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Bruh
Sometimes you’ve just come off a 72 hour bender
And it’s like bro
I know you’re the god of endlessly getting down, but some of us have actual livers
coral cave
I ignore dio most of the time tbh
I feel like there's better gods to get in a run than him
jovial fulcrum
I imagine Zag just gets a new liver every 20 minutes or w/e
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Thats a good point lol
Imagine how messed up parties in the underworld would be
Suicide and rally
jovial fulcrum
Idk, I just really like Dio Call personally.
He's got some other decent things like Outlook
Vintage is nice too
A lot of Dio's duos are 👌
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I yolo dio for strong drink the same way I yolo demeter for rare crop in tartarus lol
jovial fulcrum
Ah yeah, drink too
hearty elbow
Idk, I just really like Dio Call personally.
That's such a rare opinion on this channel, but yeah holy cow Dio's Aid is busted
hearty elbow
Especially since Athena's was partially gutted
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Dio call....... good???? 👀👀
hearty elbow
It's 2nd for me behind Poseidon's, after the Athena nerf
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Shooketh rn
jovial fulcrum
Dio call + Privileged + Billowing Strength = 60% damage for hitting with a minor call
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just playing I love dio call lol
hearty elbow
Plus its an easy proc for Privileged
Lol, we'll have to agree to disagree there
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how was athena’s gutted?
hearty elbow
Dio's call white, by itself, is 15 * 2 * 5 * 4 = 600 damage, on minimum one target, and it's range is very large
Athena used to scale very very hard off of Poms. It now does not
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Oh boooo
jovial fulcrum
I mean, its an easy proc for privileged if you need it.
It's not that hard to get 2 statuses in your build otherwise
hearty elbow
That's rank 1, white, one charge. Assuming worst case that there's only one enemy nearby
proven osprey
That's such a rare opinion on this channel, but yeah holy cow Dio's Aid is *bust...
What? I mean from the time I've been playing I was always told Dio's call was among the top 2/3 in terms of dps
robust anchor
i believe ledger does not like priv stat
hearty elbow
I do not
robust anchor
i dont like it either
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Someone is trolling here and I can’t tell who lol
hearty elbow
But it's not the battle I'm picking today lol
jovial fulcrum
it's better to use minor call as is.
unless you've got low tolerance maybe?
hearty elbow
Yeah you never use Dio's greater call
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I need the mod that makes the minor call flash every time it charges
I’m so, so bad about using minor calls
jovial fulcrum
Oh, that reminds me
What happens if you stack hangovers with different damage values
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Bad things
robust anchor
the oldest one stays
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It’s dios signature catch 22
hearty elbow
Someone is trolling here and I can’t tell who lol
I don't think so? Lol, pretty sure everyone's been straight up this conversation
robust anchor
when the eldest dies, young ones can take their place
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Overwrite drunk stacks at your own peril
hearty elbow
The most offensive part of Drunken Dash is that it makes Dio's Aid unusable
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It’s why it’s a good idea to only ever keep one source of Dio damage in normal play
jovial fulcrum
ooof
So if you hangover attack, and then use dio call...
It applies stacks of the weaker attack-based hangober?
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Outside of his call, because it has the most damage of all his drunk abilities so it is the exemption
jovial fulcrum
man, i did not realize that
heady radish
it applies whatever the last stack was
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^^^^
hearty elbow
Which is why I twitch uncontrollably when I see people suggest taking Drunken Dash to apply PS
jovial fulcrum
Oh i c
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Outside of his call, because it has the most damage of all his drunk abilities s...
^^^
jovial fulcrum
morale is, just shoot for dio call if you want hangover
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I like Dio on attack or special
proven osprey
Not really
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The call is the exception because it will almost always overwrite at a higher damage value
hearty elbow
Oh, also Dio's Aid is +6/4/2/2 I think on Poms? That is nuts
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So that’s the one condition wheee you sort of care less, just stand back and let the call do it’s work at that point
jovial fulcrum
the first pom in Dio call is actually insane yeah
heady radish
okay but drunken dash is actually good
jovial fulcrum
the second one is pretty good
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okay but drunken dash is actually good
👀
hearty elbow
👀
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How does the lowest base work out to being a viable ability? Very curious to hear your ideas
heady radish
it enables some very good duos and is getting damage out of a slot that a lot of times you don't get damage out of
heady radish
oh absolutely
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I see
A good point, Dio’s duo pool is great
And I don’t usually take drunk dash but I do know it has a very good ROF
I’ll have to play with it, thank you!
trim niche
Anyone has a good shiled build? for any of the aspects
hearty elbow
Opinions will vary. I think Drunken Dash is a garbage fire. Not the least because it spawns where you start your dash, not where you end, so it takes 2 dashes to apply
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Zeus shield funchamp forever
proven osprey
Drunken dash applies multiple stacks
heady radish
*mistral dash cough
hearty elbow
Mistral dash is fine. It kills DC hearts well
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Lightning bolt destructo disk 😎
heady radish
astaos knows
coral cave
Mistral dash is better than drunken dash by a light year
proven osprey
Mistral dash is better than drunken dash by a light year
This is straight wrong sorry
coral cave
This is straight wrong sorry
No u
proven osprey
Drunken dash applies multiple stacks and actually has a scaling where mistral does not
hearty elbow
I think they're both bad fwiw lol, but I am willing to hear arguments on Drunken Dash, it's interesting that it has supporters now. @proven osprey what do you mean about multiple stacks?
coral cave
The damage is terrible
heady radish
it also enables some really good T2s and duos
the damage on mistral dash is terrible too and enables almost zero good duos
proven osprey
I mean that one dash applies 3 stacks iirc
hearty elbow
Oh, nvm, you're referring to the AoE.
I thought you meant it applied Hangover faster than it looked
Like 2 stacks per tick or whatever
heady radish
oh no it doesn't do that
coral cave
Multiple stacks doesn't really matter when the damage output is so miniscule compared to other dashes
jovial fulcrum
i'd probably take Dio dash of Dem dash.
Dem dash is just kind of awkward for me, idk
proven osprey
^
hearty elbow
Eh, common Drunken Dash is 3 right? That's still 3 * 2 * 4 * 3(stacks) = 72 damage in worst case. Okay, I'm listening.
heady radish
72 damage
hoary slate
common is 2 i think
hearty elbow
oh wow lmao
hoary slate
but first pom gives another 2
hearty elbow
Yeah
heady radish
and enables numbing sensations and bad influence
jovial fulcrum
I almost never look at dashes for damage personally.
I look at the utility, mainly, and what it opens up.
I just didn't realize Dio dash opened up so many duos, huh.
heady radish
bad influence is v good
hearty elbow
So that's 48. Which isn't too bad. If you dash twice that's 5 stacks, which is 2 * 2 * 4 * 5 = 80 damage, which fine. It's not quite up to Tidal but more than others
heady radish
okay well tidal is the best dash in the game
proven osprey
it's so much better than Zeus/Dem
hoary slate
Mistral is about 30 right?
proven osprey
anyway
hearty elbow
But also you can't spam Drunken on enemies that already have stacks, so you're not getting damage when you continue dashing for the next 4 seconds
jovial fulcrum
Zeus has a higher ceiling though, imo at least, since it can apply jolted
proven osprey
it's 15
heady radish
look i'm not saying drunken dash is new meta or anything. but it enables a lot of good duos and has decent damage
hearty elbow
Fair
heady radish
its far from the worst dash
proven osprey
yeah exactly what Tyler is saying
coral cave
If you continously dash back and forth between enemies once you've applied the 5 stack there's no more additional damage except waiting for the tick of the hangover whereas with other dashes like zeus, dem, or aphro you're alot more damage at once
hearty elbow
I will say that Mistral much more easily enables PS (barf) on ranged aspects, since it emanates as a projectile towards enemies and lasts for 8 seconds
coral cave
At least that's how I see it
proven osprey
You don't need to spam your dash
heady radish
yea but how often is an enemy that isn't a boss surviving through 3 or 4 dashes
hearty elbow
Bruisers or Chariots, or Greatshields, or big rats
proven osprey
Dude nem is 15 damage how can you even compare that to dio
coral cave
Well I can kill most enemies with 1 or 2 if I have a different dash since the damage output is instant
proven osprey
And it gets better as the heat increase
hearty elbow
Dude nem is 15 damage how can you even compare that to dio
nem?
proven osprey
Demeter sorry
heady radish
and its only in one direction
and outside of killing freeze it enables nothing good
and now you have demeter in your pool
hearty elbow
Oh, right. Yeah no I hate them both, but I think I have typically erred on Mistral Dash, but if I have a Call already, and no other Hangover, 4 gods no Athena, and I'm already past Asphodel, I guess Drunken is fine.
heady radish
bad influence is v good
proven osprey
Not saying that Dio's brilliant with after party either
heady radish
and drunken dash lets you enable it without costing an arti/aphro damage slot
hearty elbow
Hunter Dash?
heady radish
sure but i find hunter dash to be a bit like a legendary
since i probably started arrowhead
hearty elbow
I am a filthy Divine Dash casual. I like to keep the slot open and dream
jovial fulcrum
just fill all your slots and get offered a trade ez
heady radish
again. i'm not saying drunken dash is new meta. just that it has its uses and enables some very good things
jovial fulcrum
Man, I so rarely get offered Bad Influence now that I think about it
hearty elbow
Yeah it's very rare even when I run Hangover builds. Idr what the prereqs are. I think it's literally just any Hangover boon lol
heady radish
and it pops DC hearts and continuously pops savior hearts
hearty elbow
It's about as rare as Double Strike
jovial fulcrum
now I'm just thinking of all the boons I never get offered.
Cold Fusion, Fully Loaded
lol
hearty elbow
Arctic Blast when I actually want to run Demeter. Cold Fusion ever
That boon is imaginary
jovial fulcrum
Cold Fusion was insanely tough to check off for my prohecy
whenever I tried to get it, Zeus would just nope out before giving me static
hearty elbow
Screw prophecy, I just want it because it's stupid good lol. And I took Demeter to get it on my Zeus runs, SGG pls reward risky play
I put Nourishing Soul in my pool ffs
coral cave
Winter harvest when I'm running a dem build comes once every light year
jovial fulcrum
yeah, its soooo good.
iirc, the run that I did finally get it I also had sea storm?
so it was like, eat your heart out omegalul
or no, it was scint feast
heady radish
scint feast is good and easy to get
hearty elbow
^This exactly thing happened to me lmao. I had Tempest Flourish on Rama and ended up with Sea Storm and Cold Fusion. What a weird run that was
jovial fulcrum
bah, I'm just going to go through my records quick and find now. I can't remember
I wanna say it was Sea Storm Cold Fusion w/ tidal dash
hearty elbow
I wish Zeus' boons scaled more evenly with rarity lol
Common Static Discharge feels like a kick in the nads
coral cave
Common jolted is so bad lol
hearty elbow
Like obv I'm still mostly always taking it, but it crosses off rare and epic Static Discharge from the pool :3
jovial fulcrum
Yeah it was Sea Storm Cold Fusion
its coming back to me yeah, I was sad about not getting Shoals
CF/SS is my dream build tbh
One day, I'll get the god run.
Heroic Reflexes Gil.
Tidal Dash.
CF/SS w/ shoals to boot.
that's my pipe dream for this game lol
hearty elbow
I haven't gotten the Rocket+Cluster, Tempest Flourish + Razor Shoals dream on Eris yet
hearty elbow
It is definitely some of the easiest Hades you'll ever play lmao. Simply insane
jovial fulcrum
gosh, i can't remember. I think it was the run where demeter is forced
the first run after you make it to hades, i think?
hearty elbow
I didn't know that was the condition
jovial fulcrum
I didn't get Demeter until after I reached the surface
Then she was my starter then next run, iirc
Maybe it was just coincidence
I thought it was, like, connected though
hearty elbow
Shrug it may be
I have no idea lol. She just shows up after some time, fills my screen with salty text, then gives me crap boons
jovial fulcrum
Just looked it up and yeah.
She's not guaranteed to be the starter of the following run, but she will not appear until you reach dad (you don't have to win, just gotta reach him)
proven osprey
Reaching the surface is the condition
brazen nest
Dio cal with smoldering air
jovial fulcrum
its nutty isnt it
cloud vault
Poseidon call with smoldering and epic wave
hearty elbow
I actually don't really like Poseidon's call with Smoldering Air. Relatively speaking lol
It's very very good at Greater
heady radish
riptide good
hearty elbow
Rip Current is so ridiculous. It actually feels like a cheat code
hearty elbow
Yeah that's probably more responsible lol
jovial fulcrum
Poseidon call with smoldering and epic wave
Miserlou starts playing in the background
hearty elbow
I think I prefer Athena's with Smoldering since you never have to stop your flow to use it
jovial fulcrum
I tend to dislike Posiden and Ares personally.
Just because you cant do anything else during their calls
hearty elbow
I play a lot of coward aspects and Poseidon's forces me to go up close lol, so I prefer enemies to be dead by the time it ends
I'd agree with you if Poseidon's call didn't do 350/700 damage minimum to one target per call charge
jovial fulcrum
One day, I want to become a beyblade w/ Ares call though.
just all the rift perks
proud bearing, billowing strength etc
brazen nest
Ares aid is nice
hearty elbow
Why can't you zoom zoom with Ares call. Boo
I think I put Ares' tied with dead last with Demeter
brazen nest
I like smoldering with zeus
hearty elbow
But i have taken it when I am feeling less than likely to be able to juke Asterius into pillars and I want a safety net
jovial fulcrum
I used demeter's call once and ider what it doesnt honestly.
hearty elbow
(not much)
jovial fulcrum
i just, like, never get offered it lol
brazen nest
Demeter creates chill vortex
heady radish
granny's at least provides a meaningful status
hearty elbow
It offers invulnerabilty though, which is far from nothing
Nah I put Demeter dead last, changed my mind
heady radish
aphro
hearty elbow
Aphro call is legit insane wtf
robust anchor
aphro is better than both of those
heady radish
its the worst call in the game
jovial fulcrum
Aphro just makes the boss stop what they're doing for a second
and/or deals a bunch
hearty elbow
It turns off boss animations and forces them back to a neutral pose
If you get randy you can get Asterius to one shot Theseus pretty consistently
It also makes Armored Chariots to go away lol
jovial fulcrum
lmao, I had asterius go ham on theseus earlier today w/ aphro's legendary boon
it was funny
Bull man beyblade stopped coming at me and started going towards him
hearty elbow
It also gets a boost from being a very easy out to Smoldering Air, and working very well with it
Same as Zeus'
jovial fulcrum
why did the devs have to stop us from doing hades call w/ smoldering air
robust anchor
today i installed a mod to guarantee a 5sacc
hearty elbow
Time well spent
robust anchor
still not detriment bc i always die in lava biome 😎
hearty elbow
lmao
heady radish
w....w.....why do you want a 5 sac?
jovial fulcrum
pretty often I hit all the paths anyhow, since I'm not really concerned with run time at this point
robust anchor
idk
hearty elbow
To help max keepsakes
heady radish
but you can always just....take the paths anyways
hearty elbow
Lol but you don't get the heal at the end :3
Honestly I wouldn't mind a 5 sack speedrun category, since it makes things a lot less random than they are now.
heady radish
just make td3 guarantee 2 sac 🙂
hearty elbow
Having an implifcit ~50% chance of invalidating a good speedrun seems megasad
I know I just stop playing for the day if I get a high heat TD3 to Styx and get a 4 sac
proven osprey
just make td3 guarantee 2 sac 🙂
Another cry in the darkness
Will it be heard one day
heady radish
no
restive tiger
What is the best boon for chiron special ?
In your opinion
Usually i try artemis
hearty elbow
Deadly or Drunken
restive tiger
No cooldown for drunken ?
proven osprey
no
restive tiger
Ohhhhh
proven osprey
full stack
hearty elbow
You play differently. You tag each enemy on the screen with Hangover instead of gunning down your current target with Deadly Flourish
drifting robin
With aphro duo its op
proven osprey
Just remember to tag everyone
drifting robin
Yeah distribute the poison and then attack
hearty elbow
And make sure to use mini bow attacks, don't go for full charges lol. It's always better to have more Hangover up
restive tiger
So special special then attack ?
hearty elbow
No, attack, then special, like usual
coral cave
Also get aphro attack for low tolerance
hearty elbow
But with Deadly Flourish you would keep pretty special until they're dead or you have to reapply, but with Drunken you attack + special each enemy once
I really like Curse of Agony on Chiron, especially with Chain Shot
coral cave
Arte aid for splitting headache would work nicely too
hearty elbow
But yeah Heartbreak is safer because of the debuff and because of the bow base damage
restive tiger
Ok
coral cave
How'd that work
hearty elbow
Lol, I've had Dio special on Eris before
restive tiger
Ok. And my gf like the zeus / poseidon duo. Do you have some recommendations ?
hearty elbow
Eris. Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash -> Sea Storm = Profit
heady radish
p sure sea storm is unnecessary
restive tiger
You can.t
restive tiger
Lol
coral cave
Beo
restive tiger
But it.s a food recommendation. Just need to get another boon than tidal dash
hearty elbow
For maximum fun you can go Tempest Strike on Lucifer into Sea Storm
It's probably worse than doing it on Eris but you get the super soaker particle effects on the laser
heady radish
do you find yourself dying in hades?
do you go slow with your long chiron special animations?
do you actually let the boss move on your screen?
why are you playing that way?
pick beowulf. you have the safety of the shield and the hacks of making dad unable to play the video game while also going very fast
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Or play zeus shield and turn yourself into a whirling dervish of light and death. A Pink Floyd show with 400,000 Volts
coral cave
The shield in general is just boring to play imo
restive tiger
Indeed
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Wack
heady radish
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Also hot take the dio/artemis duo is B tier
Needs the appropriate weapon setup and an artemis compliment backing it to make work, but I think it really makes a meaningful difference with weapons that use both their attack and special almost equally
heady radish
dio artemis is v good on cast weapons
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Rama and zeus shield come to mind
restive tiger
So it’s artemis on attack and. Dio on cast ?
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If you get a full artemis compliment at your back, that additional % can really start meaning something with how it interacts with PP and Marked Target
usually artemis for whatever hits hardest
Dio for whichever fires fastest
heady radish
or you can do flood flare or passion flare
heady radish
all three have their advantages and disadvantages
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So festive fog itself wont proc it
restive tiger
Seem hard to make it work on group enemy
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for cast stuff I’ll make dio’s case: You lose Boiling Blood and the extra damage that comes with it. On the upside though, Dio’s cast has XL damage, XXL AOE, and A+++ Crowd Control
heady radish
nah its AoE is huge
robust anchor
what is the best hera cast
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I don’t play cast focused builds much, but dio cast is almost always worth it to me
restive tiger
Hera i choose aphro
hearty elbow
Also hot take the dio/artemis duo is B tier
I think that's a pretty lukewarm take. Global crit is great on everything
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I see so many people trashing the buff as being not there
heady radish
run stygian soul on dio and get +1 cast from master chaos
hearty elbow
I agree it's never worth going for with like rerolls or whatever but it's always worth taking if you can apply Hangover
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I think they see tiny number and run for the hills
restive tiger
Stygian is the one that refresh ?
heady radish
yep
restive tiger
Odd
heady radish
you don't want cast stuck in fog for 10 seconds
heady radish
nah +1 is enough
robust anchor
i just cannot be bothered to pick up the cherries that wanna fly deep into lava away from every enemy while deadline ticking
cast builds are so inconvenient
heady radish
+1, mirage shot, auto reload, pp, bad news, scintillating, black out is your normal priority on dio beo
cast builds are great
hearty elbow
Yeah, I know Achilles + Zeus cast was popular but I can't stand fetching my bloodstones from everywhere
coral cave
Cast builds can be great but I don't use them a lot
Don't really like them all that much
robust anchor
in my head i see a beautiful safe ranged build that is not hammer reliant
cunning urchin
It also makes Armored Chariots to go away lol
And solo the whole wave for you.
coral cave
A very common good cast build is hera+crush shot
heady radish
you're an artemis simp and you don't play cast builds?
coral cave
Ye
hearty elbow
Did they fix the thing that your arrow can't hit the target for crush shot to apply consistently?
coral cave
Never said I was a cast simp
heady radish
but half of arti's thing is casts
heady radish
Did they fix the thing that your arrow can't hit the target for crush shot to ap...
they did but it still breaks with blown kiss on hera
hearty elbow
womp womp
coral cave
but half of arti's thing is casts
Yes and that is why I don't take them
I pretend I do not see
heady radish
OhISee
robust anchor
i see that u dont see
jovial fulcrum
Inb4 AP2
willow haven
ap2 actually fun change my mind
the way it gave me blue balls for hermes legendary was just amazing
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AP2 is actively cruel game design
Boooo AP2
Take away being able to see the other options and it hurts your soul much, much less
I’d love it as a random mode if it wasn’t for seeing the legendary I’m missing to pick up common Dio dash lol
fervent elbow
Is it me or gilgamesh dashes are somewhat shorter than normal dashes ?
dusky drum
Is it me or gilgamesh dashes are somewhat shorter than normal dashes ?
and more rhythmic instead of just mash the button so tbh i dont like the gilgamesh dashes as much
frail schooner
It makes blade dash op
hearty elbow
I always run out of Gilgamesh dashes because you can hold it to spam. It's very hard to for me save 1 or 2 defensively
But that's definitely a me problem
proven osprey
Merciful End problem 
hearty elbow
Lmao, that too
slim lynx
it is indeed an issue when it comes to merciful end
kind finch
how does targeting system work with lucifer and triple bomb
will it increase the damage of the bombs by 30%?
echo veldt
is there a strongest 1st aspect to unlock to farm up the others?
dusky drum
is there a strongest 1st aspect to unlock to farm up the others?
id say either sword is fine, achilles is better and cheaper, zeus shield since chaos takes more investment to be good, either bow, either fist but they both take more effort, and eris rail but it takes more effort tbh
but then again its all preference
echo veldt
eris seems to be one of the most recommended i've seen
hearty elbow
What do you mean either?
echo veldt
do you have to spend extra to unlock the 2nd and 3rd aspects?
dusky drum
What do you mean either?
like i dont think that one sword/fist aspect is better than the others, those definitely come down to preference
echo veldt
i have 10 titan blood to play with for my first unlocks, which looks like it affords me 2 full zagreus aspects
dusky drum
do you have to spend extra to unlock the 2nd and 3rd aspects?
well per say chiron bow is only 1 and hera is 2 to unlock
hearty elbow
Oh I thought by 1st aspect they meant Zagreus aspects
dusky drum
thats the general swing of things, the one right below zag aspect is 1 blood and the 2nd down is 2
echo veldt
or 2/3rds of one one the 2nd aspects, if you don't need to to spend blood to unlock them to begin with
dusky drum
or 2/3rds of one one the 2nd aspects, if you don't need to to spend blood to unl...
wdym
echo veldt
well the 2nd aspects are 15 blood to fully upgrade right? so if i have 10 blood rn it should cost 2/3rds of my total blood
unless i have to pay to unlock them in the first place as well, in which case it's less
hearty elbow
It's probably best to use Zag aspects to farm blood up in the beginning since they're only 5 to max
echo veldt
i thought that might be the case, but wanted to confirm in case any of the others were thought of as super OP
dusky drum
the scaling for 1st aspect is 1 2 3 4 5, 2nd is 2 2 3 4 5, to me i feel like you should ditch the zag aspects asap since literally anything else is better
hearty elbow
You'll probably get the most mileage out of Eris in the beginning, but especially since the buff is only 4 seconds it does have a higher learning curve than it did before
I think Bow and Fist are fine.
Rail is alright, you still get the job done with Lightning Strike or Deadly Strike if you get Spread Fire
echo veldt
eris would only be 3/5 upgraded, with the additional 1 cost of unlocking it in the first place
blah i'll stop bothering you guys and just figure this out myself, will probably end up 2 full zagreus or 3/5 eris in the end anyway
hearty elbow
Don't forget you can try aspects out in the courtyard and refund the blood by Giving Up as long as you don't leave the courtyard
drifting robin
is there a strongest 1st aspect to unlock to farm up the others?
Eris
If you just want to farm
mellow geyser
What should I choose for my 3rd heat? I have extreme measures 1 and Jury Summons 1
humble thicket
calisthenics
humble thicket
idk it doesn't make too much of a difference at low heat
dusky drum
cf is ez
humble thicket
I'm doing pretty fine with cp1
drifting robin
Even at 32 heat CP is not recommended
mellow geyser
How is em2? Is the upgraded Hydra that much harder?
dusky drum
like my general amount is cf2, cp2, dc2
drifting robin
oh yeah em2 is eay heat
dusky drum
How is em2? Is the upgraded Hydra that much harder?
ummm theres less floor and everything is closer together
drifting robin
Im halfway thru all weapons at 32 and Ive not taken Cp once
It just becomes a hassle and not fun if you're worried about the timer as well
humble thicket
the hydra itself is not that hard, it's just that the island is split in smaller ones and you have more chances of stepping in lava
mellow geyser
What gods go well with the Holy Excalibur?
mellow geyser
that's a lot of heat
drifting robin
Well verified
mellow geyser
but they only have 3 more to go
drifting robin
Someone claimed they did 62 but they have not sent a screenshot or anything
Actually max is 64
With hell mode
mellow geyser
I see
tame bison
Which one is CP again? Not at my computer
tame bison
EM2 relatively free heat once you get used to it
drifting robin
idk if I spelt that right
mellow geyser
Big crits
Wouldn't you want crits on something like the gloves because you have a higher chance of getting them?
tame bison
20% crit with fast attack rate, lower dmg and 20% crit with high dmg low attack rate = the same basic thing
I’m not doing the exact math
But you get the idea
mellow geyser
I guess all the weapons have similar dps
drifting robin
Most people dont take arty on fists bcs the crit wont do much
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Wouldn't you want crits on something like the gloves because you have a higher c...
Just taking basic base damage numbers as an example, crits are more valuable on heavy hitting weapons because anything that determines its damage value from a % calculation (like a crit dealing 300% base damage of the weapon) will naturally favor a larger base #, because the added bonus scales up the bigger the base number is
Put differently, a crit of 300% on a 200 damage Arthur swing works out to an extra 400 damage dealt for 600 total. That same crit on a fists attack works out to an extra 30. for 45 total. You need a hell of a lot more fist crits to roll successfully to make up for that one big #, and because your odds of critting arent particularly variable, that means critting naturally favors heavier hitting weapons for making meaningful damage
If crit % odds scaled up with attack speed to compensate, that would be a different story. But they don’t. You’ve got X chance to crit based on boons and that’s it, and it’s usually rather low
All that together is what tips the balance
For this same exact reason, gods with % damage boosts as their primary feature like Aphro again favor heavier weapons, whereas boons that revolve around stacking curses like Zeus/Dem/Dio tend to get along better with faster firing weapons
hearty mulch
Honorable mention for faster-firing weapons is Merciful End (Ares/Athena)
Since Ares can stack up hella Doom damage with the proper boons
turbid needle
Anyone know if i take curse of drowning with beowulf will it stop loading my cast onto my shield??
dusky drum
Anyone know if i take curse of drowning with beowulf will it stop loading my cas...
your cast becomes the 3 pulses
so you cant load anything
mellow geyser
The Demeter special + the Demeter-Dionysus duo is so fun with the Excalibur. You freeze everyone then chip at their health in big chunks
dusky drum
Anyone know if i take curse of drowning with beowulf will it stop loading my cas...
i learned it from me trying with hera, it didnt work too well
abstract flower
Best cast to go with Beowulf?
dusky drum
Best cast to go with Beowulf?
artemis and aphro i know are really good
athena can also work
i mean tbh most of them work since its a flare not cast for beowulf
vagrant maple
the 'meta' cast for most things right now is poseidon to build into mirage shot, and for the huge aoe. A bunch of the casts can work quite well though
drifting robin
Best cast to go with Beowulf?
Poseidon with mirage
Nvmd i just read pseudos thing
Yeah that’s pretty much it
drifting robin
Depends on weapon
ember mica
I just did a backstabbing build with Gilgamesh and it felt so nice
Normal encounters were a bit harder, but the hades fight was so much easier
turbid needle
@dusky drum it would still load the casts and just cast the 3 pulses at the end of my attack. It actually would have been decent if i kept bull rush instead of using a hammer for the charged shot
Cause id shoot charged shot then cast the pulses, if i kept bull rush it would have started the pulses right as i hit enemies so would be perfect AOE dmg
dusky drum
<@348949535072059392> it would still load the casts and just cast the 3 pulses a...
oh huh, neat
i assumed since both aspects used flares it would work the same
unless im remebering hera bow wrong
turbid needle
And since i had 3 casts instead of the 3 second regend if i loaded all 3 casts it would do 9 pulses in quick succession
proven osprey
What should I have for my Artemis boon?
Deadly strike for beowulf
turbid needle
It was actually good damage but a bad combo with charged shot shield
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What should I have for my Artemis boon?
Talos Heavy Knuckle
tranquil falcon
rolled a shop 3 times with no kiss of styx
turbid needle
Once shield has darker hunger bonus again im gonna try to make that build again but with bullrush kept
velvet scarab
Why did no one tell me that the Aspect of Zeus was stoopid good!!?
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Here, I’ll tell you
Aspect of Zeus is the dummy thicc fun aspect in this game
And also hilariously good with a variety of builds and heats
velvet scarab
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Have you thought to put zeus on the special yet y/n
drifting robin
Why did no one tell me that the Aspect of Zeus was stoopid good!!?
Its fun
Thats all i can say
velvet scarab
By Zeuses smexy beard, YES!
velvet scarab
I tried for as much Zeus as possible, with the Leg Boon.
I creamed Papi!
The fact that you have another shield in your pocket is just dumb!
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Well then you have a good head on your shoulders
You figured out the best way to play zeus shield all by yourself
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Good job and welcome to the cult 👍🏻
velvet scarab
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I call that build “Get Zeus’d Up”
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And every time I take a boon I pretend zagreus sticks a lightning bolt into his butt cheek
turbid needle
Yee last night when i realized u get to have one eternally spinning shield and still pull out another shield to attack with i was like wat
velvet scarab
If sticking lightning bolts in my crack made it I could beat the papi of the dead, SIGN ME UP!
drifting robin
Double strike is so much fun with it
velvet scarab
Stupid good!
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Basically every hammer but the bullrush hammers is great in one way or another with Zeus
velvet scarab
I noticed the 3rd aspects of all the weapons seem to be the best fit for me 
But I can't wait to max out Guan-Yu and start smashing with that.
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Hot take I think zeus shield is one of the highest skill cap weapons in the game
If base shield was better it would be a contender for best
echo veldt
urge to kill or blood frenzy/curse of pain?
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The way you can either project force or reinforce your DPS with it has a craaaazy skill ceiling
echo veldt
urge to kill seems better as blood frenzy is probably only gonna help me much with bosses unless something goes wrong
dusky drum
urge to kill seems better as blood frenzy is probably only gonna help me much wi...
i mean do you have anything on your special??
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You’re asking a really broad question
What weapon?
What rarities?
Those are 3 really different boons for different things
echo veldt
stygius all rare
tranquil falcon
zeus fist+support fire = speedy call
proven osprey
urge to kill is decent to have in any situation
tranquil falcon
then combine that with rip current
proven osprey
not amazing tho
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urge to kill is decent to have in any situation
This is my #2
echo veldt
i'll get it then, seems likely best to me too
proven osprey
is this Zagius
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he’s on base sword I think. I doubt he’s building for nemesis heart rend 😉
echo veldt
yes
proven osprey
I see
echo veldt
will help me clear styx and get to mr boss healthier
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In fairness
proven osprey
So the thing with Zag sword
echo veldt
i'm mostly cast + attack rn
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which is why doom is good
You only need to press the button every once in a while
To get a lot out of it
That’s doom’s thing
Fire and forget
proven osprey
The weapon is either Merciful end or you try to get a bit of dps from everywhere (support fire, hangover whatever)
So I'd say urge to kill is good since it's global damage
proven osprey
Doom on special is alright too
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You just seem new if I may. I like doom for new folk. It’s very low risk damage. That’s where my feelings come from
proven osprey
It's decent aoe
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athena yes?
proven osprey
yeah
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Cant go wrong putting athena on AOE for sure
proven osprey
aoe deflect
echo veldt
ye but i've got slothful strike/cruel thrust, legendary greatest reflex/tidal dash and engulfing vortex/vicious cycle
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That’s the better setup for ME too
echo veldt
so not really any time for specials when my attack dps is really dependant on me spamming attack
- dashing
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Might be a little above his ceiling but still a boon (hah) nonetheless
proven osprey
your build is funny
with all the sources of damage I would say urge to kill is better
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He’s Jackson Pollock-ing, leave him alone lol
proven osprey
I'm not dissing or anything
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If you dont feel youll touch the special but those, take the global damage
proven osprey
Zag sword is flexible
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Just playing 😉
echo veldt
ye, i prob should have mentioned the dmg sources before - but just wanted to know if there was a standout best overall
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That’s a little bit of a splatter painting of a build buttnose
proven osprey
I learned that during my 40 heat tries
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But that’s ok, this is your time for learning!
echo veldt
i won't, i'll try my best to avoid specials rn
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you should honestly use it
proven osprey
Well like Aurash said no choice was really standing out
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But the most valuable tools are the ones youll use
And if you wont touch it, it wont do you good
echo veldt
and letting blade rift fly till i need to catch it again
hah, i'm not looking to become bigbrain badboy at the game 😛
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then ill give you the simple version of the lesson
As you grow as a sword player, notice that you have some gaps in your DPS when all your dashes are expended
echo veldt
oh ye i have double edge as well, but idk if that actually counts for regular attacks
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Your special happens to fit perfectly into this gap
proven osprey
punch “intermediate hades sword” into YT sometime
Is that the dude who says that Arthur should be played with dash strikes
echo veldt
but i have 6 dashes!
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Top level sword play is a simple combo: Dash attack 2x - special while dashes are on cooldown - rinse repeat
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Is that the dude who says that Arthur should be played with dash strikes
Lol I couldn’t tell you. I just know he has a basic explanation of conventional sword technique
I’m ignorant as hell about Arthur things lol
But that’s the lesson buttnose. Try to absorb and think on it. Your dashing around will leave a gap when you’re vulnerable, your special will fit perfectly in this gap to keep your defense/offense up. Think about that and try to work it into your play over time
proven osprey
but i have 6 dashes!
Just kill everything with dashes honestly
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It won’t happen all at once, that’s alright. Just keep yourself somewhat conscious of it and over time your hands will. Begin to do the work for you
proven osprey
it works
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yeah dash attack is the swords best attack
echo veldt
i forgot to say i have slicing shot too, hah, that's why i'm casting blade rift
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Thats the real nugget of the sword lesson. Using dash attack instead of regular attack almost totally, with special to fill the gap that exists while dash is on cooldown
echo veldt
with engulfing vortex/vicious cycle
echo veldt
Just kill everything with dashes honestly
tbh i'm just spamming dash/attack, i have no idea where more of my damage is coming from rn 😆
echo veldt
i have slothful strike
proven osprey
idk if you have it but the hammer is actually useful
oh sorry, deadly strike is artemis attack
echo veldt
ty for trying to help me improve aurash, but i don't play enough to remember the lesson 😄
proven osprey
slothful is a chaos curse, won't stay
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Lol dont worry
proven osprey
You must enjoy your move speed right now
echo veldt
it won't stay???
proven osprey
Nah
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The buff isnt immediate though right? 👀
proven osprey
the first word is the curse, the second is the boon
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I always thought Chaos’ whole schtick was “blood for blood”
echo veldt
all the buffs are after the curse expires i think
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Yeah thats what I thought
proven osprey
You get the buff as the curse expires guys
echo veldt
gonna take urge to kill and finish of elysium anyway, will be back again with another conundrum boon pick soon i'm sure 👍
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Yeah, you had me thrown there for a sec the way I read your sentence lol
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no no, it was my reading
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The cuse won't stay, the buff will
No no, this one. The paranoiac in me heard an intonation that the buff was active at the same time as the curse lol
proven osprey
oh ok
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Would’ve been one of those “never actually checked” things haha
tranquil falcon
i
i just
i'm such a dumbass
i did like 60 damage to myself
because i forgot i had the attack chaos curse
and i had flurry jab
aand i just wasted 6 rolls
3 on zeus trying for phalanx shot
then 3 on hermes trying for quick cast drop
i got neither
and now i'm broke
echo veldt
update: i got curse of agony and curse of vengence in my next 2 boons, so now getting some fat doom damage anyway 😄
tranquil falcon
i swear since i didn't get that hermes boon i'm gonna lose a second DD to lernie
echo veldt
impending doom now as well, gone from 0 doom to 3 in 3 boons 
proven osprey
Thanks for sharing spemtjin
made me chuckle two times today already
Flurry jab while maimed must be a sight
tranquil falcon
bruhhh
i have godly favour or wahtever on
still no lightning phalanx
or even parting shot
tranquil falcon
still no quick reload
on the plus side i got epic reflex
if only i could actually get my casts back this would be an insane run
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are you going to remain a white name
Dunno. I’ve never taken many roles wherever I’ve gone. I’ve always enjoyed being no-one a little 🙂
proven osprey
Well excuse me ashen one
tranquil falcon
btw i lost lmao
flurry jab and common zeus attack can't carry me through em4
my casts were hitting over 1.5k on backstabs
but it doesnt matter because it takes me way too long to get them back
if i even got common quick reload i think i just win because of greater recall
dusky drum
and thats why you play posiedon sword
dusky drum
damn
well posiedon sword is always there for you when hermes isnt
i did a phalanx posiedon setup and i killed alecto in 25 seconds
she literally couldnt move by the time i put her in imperv
it was great
exit wounds, stronger cast from chaos, arte legendary
it was a very good build
and i got lightning phalanx like last second
oh and mirage shot
very fun
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I like how SGG wrote Alecto so well that she makes the sibling with an actual murder fetish look sweet and likeable. She’s so perfectly awful
Makes her fight very fitting 😡
dusky drum
I like how SGG wrote Alecto so well that she makes the sibling with an actual mu...
wh- murder fetish??
tisiphone is just crazy if thats who youre talking about
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Am I being trolled or are we missing the fury that has just a liiiiiittle bit of a thing for Muuuuuuurder
dusky drum
im sure youd also go insane if you had to punish murderers on a daily basis
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Romance Tis DLC when
viral star
MY GIRLFRIEND??????
dusky drum
yea ig so
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Mmm......Murder?
dusky drum
i still dont think its a murder kink, its just she's crazy
viral star
broccoli girlfriend i love her
dusky drum
like idk what aurash was going on about
viral star
also alecto is hot
proven osprey
lmao
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Megara Better Alecto
proven osprey
Glad to have summoned you
viral star
and tbh tisiphone's appeal is that like. she's cute but in her weird way. i love her
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But yeah Alecto will burn your house down after the best time of your life
viral star
I'm happy to be gay for Tisiphone at any given opportunity!!
proven osprey
Can Tisi love tho
dusky drum
i mean like i think they are likable in their own ways but the fact that you only have major interaction with meg kinda makes it lopsided for my choice
like i rank them meg, alecto, tis
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Tis is the sweetest that an entity of primordial vengeance eternally hellbent on punishing the most henious crime known to man has ever been
And I love her
I think the fact that Zag got Tis to stop repeating murder for 5 seconds, let alone learn a new word, is huuuuge
Think about that
viral star
aurash your brain is so gigantic
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“Zagreus” is probably the second word she’s said in her whole existence
That’s a huge accomplishment
dusky drum
well murder and murderer are technically 2 different words :3
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Lol, fair
viral star
i think zag should give tisiphone nectar. i don't care about romance i just think they should hang out
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Zag is the best thing to have ever happened to Tis
Zag and Tis remind me of that Mark Twain passage asking who prays for the devil
dusky drum
zag will one day learn the idiosyncrasies of the word murder and what can be gleaned from ones mind with that simple word
rapid storm
@dusky drum i got the spear final aspect
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Zag is probably one of the first to ever treat Tis as an actual “person” and not just a horrible monster. It’s a great arc
dusky drum
<@!348949535072059392> i got the spear final aspect
epic, guan yu isnt my favorite but now you can get the others with enough blood and patience
viral star
i think aphrodite and tisiphone should hold hands. not any reasoning they just should. also tisiphone deserves to be loved
and yeah it's so nice!!! i really want zag and tis to be friends man
rapid storm
epic, guan yu isnt my favorite but now you can get the others with enough blood ...
ye the thing is idk how i got it cause i didnt reach the surface with spear yet
dusky drum
ye the thing is idk how i got it cause i didnt reach the surface with spear yet
5 blood into the weapon and just talking to the right person, thats the only req
rapid storm
5 blood into the weapon and just talking to the right person, thats the only req
oh everyones been telling me 5 blood and reach the surface
dusky drum
huh, weird. i got luci on one of my files even though i never used it
i mean i could be wrong
but just from my experience its only 5 blood and dialogue
serene zealot
Next time I have free time, I’m gonna give Rama a try.
I know the shared suffering makes every enemy hit by your special take damage when you use your attack, but does this extend to sharing curses and/or curse damage (doom, hangover, crits, etc)?
gusty rapids
no, its specifically only attack damage
no secondary effects on your attack
oh actually crits do apply, since crits modify the base damage your attacks do
hangover, doom, and lightning are secondary effects, so they're not considered for shared suffering
serene zealot
Aw, understandable, but that sucks.
Crits though, I could give Artemis attack a try.
rocky island
for chiron which is better between concentrated and relentless volley?
gusty rapids
concentrated
especially if you're going artemis special
increasing the base damage is huge for damage output, and while relentless is good, it comes with the drawback of the special animation taking longer, which means you're vulnerable for a longer period of time
conc + relentless is the ideal combo but conc is the better of the two
rocky island
thanks!
rocky island
i won but boy am i bad with the bow
i mean im not good at any of them i guess but felt like i was tickling everything to death and styx felt hard
obsidian kite
cleanest EM4 yet, only lost 70 HP over all 3 phases
(I had Athena legendary lol)
but I don't think I got hit very much anyway
Zeus shield, charged shot + power rush, Dio special, Aphro attack
charged shot w/ Zeus shield is very safe, as long as I remember to block
manic willow
What good for Achilles spear
patent pewter
I like having doom on special and whatever multiplier on attack
drifting robin
Hunting blades is fun
patent pewter
Poseidon dash might be cool too
drifting robin
And meme beam
manic willow
Thanks!
dusky drum
i did a crit special build once, it was fun
still vortex
Does dash strike work with hestia?
tame bison
Yes.
manic willow
I’m presuming that once u get points on a trinket like pierced butterfly that run, it stays with u when u take it off
unkempt pagoda
it doesn't, you have to keep it on
manic willow
D:
Darn I didn’t know that
Hey I’m trying the build they suggested, got Poseidon dash, meme beam, no ares yet tho
What hammer should I buy?
Spectated point, breaching skewer, or triple hav
Jab
Achilles aspect
glacial delta
still vortex
I change my mind about hestia. This run sucked.
Not sure what I did so wrong but it's just not doing it for me
coral cave
Have you tried reloading
echo veldt
aside from eris what other non-hidden aspects do people think are the best to start out with?
still vortex
Charon bow Poseidon sword chaos shield
coral cave
Achilles spear, chiron/hera bow are all great
still vortex
Achilles spear also good
coral cave
Talos/dem fists are good too
echo veldt
do you both think eris is probably better overall? or at least suited to more boon combos?
still vortex
I still killed hades before the timer but that was lame hestia run I'm confused
I think I got what I should've gotten mostly.
Maybe the Demeter cast was a mistake
coral cave
do you both think eris is probably better overall? or at least suited to more bo...
Eris is just very good in general
But try all the aspects out
See which ones you like
still vortex
Every weapon has a great non hidden aspect
The hidden aspects are actually kinda wonky for every weapon
echo veldt
and help myself farm up the others through heat
turbid needle
Gonna try a beowulf with curse of drowning build again but with upgraded bullrush instead of powershot
still vortex
How does curse of drowning work with Beowulf?
Does it still load up the shield for a dragon rush?
When does the pulses happen?
turbid needle
It still loads and just casts the pulse at the end of the rush
still vortex
And it follows you?
turbid needle
So i think it will be good with bullrush cause it puts you right in all the enemies
still vortex
That sounds weird
turbid needle
Cause bullrush puts you right near the enemies
still vortex
Dash does the same
Just sounds weird to me. Maybe I got to try it before I critique
turbid needle
Bullrush does tons of dmg if upgraded right lol