h1-builds-and-combat

[devout trellis]

What are some good boon on Hera? Feels like it is the weakest one out of all the cast weapons

[spiral badge]

Doom for special

Thats just hera/zag 101 build right there, fire and forgot

Aphro for attack probably

Considering you likely want her cast

Posiedon or athena for dash is really best. Posiedon really for bow

But aphro is again a good substitute

I dont play hera but hera is really just loading casts duct taped to the base model bow

[devout trellis]

Hmmm, Stygian soul I presume?

[spiral badge]

So its not hard to build for

Mehhhhhh actually

Goes back and forth

With the cast you use

Others more experienced with these builds can chime in though, they arent my specialty

But that mirror perk in particular is one of the few that is truly choice a lot of times

[devout trellis]

The 5 secs drop time is still pretty bad

[spiral badge]

All the way across the skill base of the game

If the drop time is relevant to anything but bosses, you didn’t load enough casts into your attack 😘

Which is why infernal is maybe the better choice

Much bigger burst damage off the bat. Which will be hera’s strength

[devout trellis]

Hmm, I mean, in terms of burst damage, I think beowulf is still stronger

And every other cast weapons gives damage bonus

[spiral badge]

If you’re looking for me to defend hera as anything but strong on paper and fast on the leaderboard, wrong tree lol. I’m with you, hera bores me. It does have raw stats, and it does make big real world numbers in terms of damage and speed, but it’s a snooze of a weapon to play for me

[proven osprey]

It's fun to play imo

Hard to optimize too

requires knowledge of your damage and pathing

[willow haven]

https://i.imgur.com/rizdESD.png me everytime i come here

ty @spiral badge and @limber cloak

[acoustic hound]

My go to with Hera is go Stygian and do everything to get Chaos cast/Artemis legendary/temp cast

Managed to get 4 casts on a 2.5s cooldown, it did big damage

[rapid storm]

is collosus knuckle good?

[limber cloak]

its decent, what are your other choices

[rapid storm]

long and explosive upper

[limber cloak]

what aspect of fists are you on

all those choices are pretty decent really

[rapid storm]

zag

[limber cloak]

id say you take colossus knuckle

[willow haven]

u got any fun spear builds paper?

i want something to celebrate my 100 clears

[drifting robin]

If you can get it ice wine and scintillating feast

On hera or Beowulf

[willow haven]

ya done those already

was super fun

[cyan jay]

any guan yu builds?

[proven osprey]

Achilles no dash only special

[tranquil falcon]

time to do a really stupid run for the prophecy list

[willow haven]

i should finish my duo boons prophecy

got only like cold embrace remaining

it's so poopy

[tranquil falcon]

FO1, HS, RI1, AP1

😎

this will not go bad at all

[drifting robin]

Excuse me why?

[tranquil falcon]

prophecy

[drifting robin]

Oh

[coral cave]

Have fun lol

[tranquil falcon]

that's the only heat i have on

[willow haven]

hs isn't that bad

[drifting robin]

Ok if that’s it then you’re fine

[tranquil falcon]

you ahve no idea how bad asphodel is going to be

hs is bad

[proven osprey]

For an easy clear : Charged skewer hammer, heartbreak strike deadly flourish. Divine dash for safety. Would work without the hammer but less damage of course. Special > double dash strike is your rotation, don't forget to include casts for armored foes

[tranquil falcon]

hs is that bad

[proven osprey]

[willow haven]

my first 50ish runs had hs on

[spiral badge]

Hs is just that worthless lol

[tranquil falcon]

yeah taht's you

this is me

[coral cave]

HS is so not worth the 1 heat

[spiral badge]

It’s be one thing if it was worth 3 heat or something

[proven osprey]

HS is worth 4 heat

[willow haven]

ah yeah that is true ig

[tranquil falcon]

also it's kinda funny how i still get rolls from keys

[willow haven]

the only trouble i had with hs was hades urns

[proven osprey]

It has the ability to randomly kill a run for one heat

[tranquil falcon]

even though RI

[spiral badge]

That’s my stealth favorite part of RI

[willow haven]

those things hit for like 100 damage

[spiral badge]

you really only lose 2 perks

[proven osprey]

150

[willow haven]

i see

damage

[proven osprey]

I rarely take 150 anyway

life total is usually around 100

[cyan jay]

is the guan yu charge worth it?

[proven osprey]

the spin you mean?

[cyan jay]

or just special and dashes?

[spiral badge]

Charge isn’t generally worth unless you find a quick charging hammer

[tranquil falcon]

does explosive fire increase damage at all

[proven osprey]

You should spin while big foes are spawning to burst them down and regen some hp. So you'll use it in every single room

[willow haven]

no?

for multiple targets yes

single target no

[proven osprey]

Spinning in other occasions will require practice and will make you take unecessary damage

[tranquil falcon]

lmao i took it for the prophecy

[drifting robin]

For safe gy spins do it while an enemy is spawning

[proven osprey]

Lernie phases are free spins too

[drifting robin]

That too

[proven osprey]

Enemies blocked by terrain in Ely/Styx

[drifting robin]

I’m no gy pro(astaos is) but generally don’t spin with gy

[jovial fulcrum]

i still dont have cold fusion.
Zeus is nowhere to be seen whenever I try to get it

its kind of annoying tbh

[willow haven]

force that old man up

[tranquil falcon]

hs isn't that terrible

loses 2 dds to traps

[willow haven]

xD

it just taught me how to play around them

[tranquil falcon]

doomstone keeps sniping me

pls stop

i just want erebus gate

can you get spread fire with hestia and does it work

[limber cloak]

it kinda works

it can be weird at first, but if you get used to it, it deals insane dmg

[coral cave]

The powered shot is still a normal shot tho

[limber cloak]

also, the short range on spread fire doesnt apply to the empowered shot with hestia

[coral cave]

Yeah

[tranquil falcon]

yoo

tidal dash taken by AP for the second time

[coral cave]

Poggers

[proven osprey]

Don't do AP children

[tranquil falcon]

i just want my 15 blood man

[jovial fulcrum]

prophecy :pepehands:

[slim lynx]

imagine not being able to afford all your ambrosia for titan blood smhsmhsmshhs

[cloud vault]

AP sucks don't take it before 45

[tranquil falcon]

prophecy

[cloud vault]

Oh yeah, that's a thing

[proven osprey]

So many ambrosias fed to the titan blood

[jovial fulcrum]

I should do low heat w/ all the bad conditions just so I dont have to worry about them ever again

[tranquil falcon]

yes that is literally what i am doing

[slim lynx]

heart rend lost to ap1

heart rend not lost to ap1 in the next chamber

[cloud vault]

You know what's the worst thing AP does to you?

Force a bad swap or a bad hammer

[slim lynx]

EWW

[tranquil falcon]

routine inspection approval process

very fun

[cloud vault]

Yeah that's the situation

AP2 ri1

[slim lynx]

i had to do ri1 and ap1 for the prophecy

[tranquil falcon]

what do i do

[slim lynx]

still surprised i got heart rend at all, much less right after losing it to ap1

[tranquil falcon]

i want either hazard bomb or explosive fire

for prophecy

[slim lynx]

are you using hestia

[cloud vault]

I did ap2 ri1 for 46 hestia

[tranquil falcon]

i've already done explosive fire runs but it's too painful for me to continue

nope

no hestia

hestia level 2

everything else max

[slim lynx]

are you using eris or sumn

[tranquil falcon]

i was using eris with explosive fire

now i'm debating if i should switch to zag for hazard bomb

[cloud vault]

Ah okay Eris is fine with everything other than hazard bomb

Zag works well with spread fire actually

[tranquil falcon]

i know

[slim lynx]

explosive fire is fine

[tranquil falcon]

i'm taking explosive fire or hazard bomb because of prophecy

[slim lynx]

does the aoe from explosive fire actually cause thunder strike to proc multiple times at once?

[cloud vault]

Don't take hazard on Eris if you want to finish the run with your sanity

[tranquil falcon]

i dont think so

well i wouldnt know because AP keeps deleting thunder strike

[hearty mulch]

Question:

Does Hades Sigil stack with Proud Bearing?

I.e you'd get 60% GG if you somehow had both Hades Sigil and Epic PB?

[jovial fulcrum]

Hazard Eris is fine.
You're just, like, playing a level 0 zag rail 😂

[proven osprey]

It's an amazing synergy indeed

You really want proud bearing with Sigil

[hearty mulch]

Ah

Excellent

[jovial fulcrum]

proud bearing good confirmed

who knew tbh

[proven osprey]

Few people ask about it

[limber cloak]

aether net is also really good with hades sigil

makes styx small rooms so fast

[proven osprey]

But with dio/zeus/sigil it's an amazing way to save time for room clearing

[limber cloak]

hydraulic might + sigil + pb

is so fun

[proven osprey]

Net is so cheap

I love it

[jovial fulcrum]

billow strength, clouded judgement

call build op

[hearty mulch]

Net too good

LOOK AT THIS NET

[limber cloak]

aether net is so good for the value it provides

same with the cast stone charon items

[jovial fulcrum]

One day I'll get the god run of Dio/Zeus/Aphro/Ares
For that spicy Curse of Nausea, Low Tolerance, Smoldering Air Dio Call.

[limber cloak]

braid and prometheus are so cheap yet can make a dmg difference in the thousands

[slim lynx]

clouded judgement 😩 👌

[jovial fulcrum]

clouded judgement on rail/fist is just unfair

[limber cloak]

fists+support fire+billow and clouded with zeus call

you literally get a greater call every 10 seconds lmao

[sonic ember]

If I used a crystal beam on achilles.. does the damage buff apply to the hits that the beam does or the number of beams?

im guessing it's the number, so I guess each beam is seen as 1 attack

[tranquil falcon]

aphro special ares attack

hazard bomb zag rail

i take curse of longing here right

curse of longing or battle rage

[honest wing]

curse of longing aint bad, but you wanna finish enemies quicker coz you have rail

and battle rage with a chonky special like that is good

[slim lynx]

it's criminal how rarely i get support fire on fists 😤

i only even get the chance to get it when i'm doing a cast build at least

[tranquil falcon]

BRUH

AP HIT CHAOS LEGENDARY

i'm

this

it's fine 65% special damage

BUT STILL

CHAOS LEGENDARY

[slim lynx]

chaos defiance poggers

[honest wing]

F

[slim lynx]

chaos defiance hit by ap1 not poggers

[tranquil falcon]

now all i want is dire misfortune

i picked curse of longing but i realized i'm dumb

since i still had aphro keepsake

so rip battle rage

[honest wing]

it's ok it's not that important

battle rage is usually something you take when you dont want ares boons or dont have anything better to take

and curse of longing certainly isn't bad

[tranquil falcon]

BRUH

AP TOOK UNHEALTHY FIXATION

that's the second legendary it's taken

[honest wing]

what does that do again

oh that's the legendary

damn

rip

[tranquil falcon]

weak has a chance to charm

aaaand it takes impending doom

i hate this game

literally every single time it's taken my best option

[forest marsh]

AP always knows

Though I did have an AP2 run the other day where it gave me 2 duos and an epic dash strike damage from Chaos so it's not always bad

[tranquil falcon]

welp

harsh conditions acquired

[tranquil falcon]

attempting a super rng run

tryin gto get deadly reversal

with attack AND dash

THEN i SWAP attack for APHRO attack

and get heart rend

oh god

asdfgkjlodsxhn

crap

what do i do

ok so

56% attack

curse is hidden chambers

(doesnt matter since it's right before boss)

90% special

but curse is attack -5 hp

and i'm playing demeter fists

never punished

taking special

oh wow special only was a lot easier than i thoguth it was gonna be

damn

[proven osprey]

You fine?

[tranquil falcon]

hopefully

[dry ember]

God speed

[stiff igloo]

im doing a boonless run to get the special ending but i got chaos

do i still get it?

[dry ember]

I think so

[stiff igloo]

well i will give up on this run i will go in all styx rooms just to levle up my levle 1 sisyphus braclet

[rare kindle]

run clear message just says olympian free

nothing about chaos

[sonic ember]

hm.. how do you make gilgamesh work?

i ended up doing a few runs with weps i didn't like: guan yu, arthur, and gilgamesh

i can understand the first two but gilgamesh.. whew

[proven osprey]

The easiest way to get a clear and never touch it again is Merciful End

[sonic ember]

lmao.

i got a clear with it

using crits

even then it felt weak

[willow haven]

they really need to update sigil's tooltip saying it gives 100% damage bonus

i didn't know it until aurash or someone said it

and now i look at it and it's 100% damage bonus

[proven osprey]

What's wrong about it?

[willow haven]

it just says you turn invisible

[sonic ember]

it gives you what now??

[proven osprey]

It should have been corrected

[willow haven]

it always gave 50%/75%/100% bonus damage i think

i'm pretty sure most people haven't bothered with it because it isn't mentioned

[proven osprey]

Yeah

[sonic ember]

i heard its really good fofr speedrunning

[willow haven]

it is

[proven osprey]

It got nerfed

[sonic ember]

didnt know it gave you dmg bonus

[proven osprey]

But still good

[willow haven]

i just had a sub 12 run with eris

i mean i don't mind the nerfs/buffs but it should be clearly stated what the sigil does without having to go to wiki

[sonic ember]

wow

gives damage depending on rank

[heady radish]

hades keepsake good

[slim lynx]

if you use the greater call it still boosts your damage by 100% throughout the whole duration right?

[sonic ember]

according to the game, the rank is based on the meter??

[willow haven]

yeah

[sonic ember]

thats what i understood

[willow haven]

entirety of 5 seconds

[willow haven]

the rank as in the sigil rank

[proven osprey]

Usually you don't full call tho

[heady radish]

full call hades keepsake bad

mini call hades good

[willow haven]

While Unseen, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals bonus damage for 5 seconds, the bonus not being lost when Zagreus strikes.

[lime flame]

Hey guys

[sonic ember]

so basically epic rush delivery???

[willow haven]

no?

[slim lynx]

also should be noted that you're actually invulnerable while invisible

[willow haven]

more like eris special

[sonic ember]

sick

[heady radish]

its 100% damage

[slim lynx]

the enemies won't aim at you but assuming you do get hit you just don't take any damage lol

[willow haven]

yes

[heady radish]

its epic rush delivery

eris 75

[sonic ember]

so.. Zeus, Hades and Dio have the best calls

[tranquil falcon]

how good is greater consecration

[sonic ember]

dps wise

[heady radish]

for sword hammers not named double edge

greater consecration is okay

it does something

and doesn't hurt you like flurry slash

[tranquil falcon]

what about super nova

[heady radish]

same idea

[tranquil falcon]

ah

i really wish i was doing nemesis and not arthur rn

i have the heart rend deadly reversal all set up

[sonic ember]

arthur can be fun

[proven osprey]

Flurry slash Arthur would not hurt it

[tranquil falcon]

with athena dash then selling athena special for aphro special

[sonic ember]

not sure how versatile it iss tho

[willow haven]

i still have no idea how aphro call works

[tranquil falcon]

but i also got double edge

[heady radish]

!badbot

[proven osprey]

Lmao

[tranquil falcon]

and now i'm just really sad i didnt choose nemesis instead

[sonic ember]

greater call = big dmg

[willow haven]

the braindead guide to 32 heat said to go cursed slash arthur

[proven osprey]

I love how everyone uses this "command"

[sonic ember]

its not worth tbh

[tranquil falcon]

wdym cursed slash arthur ez

[heady radish]

ye aphro call stinky

[willow haven]

i tried it and it was good until boss fights

[tranquil falcon]

guaraneed win

no matter what

[willow haven]

aphro call is pretty good against hades

[sonic ember]

its good on boss

[willow haven]

always cancels his beams

[heady radish]

why charm the boss

when you can just kill it

[willow haven]

charm your daddy

uwu

[sonic ember]

i think bosses resist charm?

[heady radish]

yes and by a lot

[proven osprey]

Because it's not a win if you're alone Tyler

[drifting robin]

Ive had charm on asterius and he slammed into theseus

It was funny

[heady radish]

ye charm is funny

[spiral badge]

Aphro call is the best trash boon in the game

I love the thought of being able to pick a piece of trash out of a terrible aphro roll and still have a great 1-button cannon on deck

It’s one of my value MVP boons

[dusky drum]

yea, and take the "call go up fast" boons

or like quick gauge from hermes

[spiral badge]

Where it’s actively better in the value equation when it’s a piece of trash

[dusky drum]

i like gods favor duo with like posiedon call

[spiral badge]

So much damage for so little cost

[dusky drum]

cuz posiedon call good

but like tbh i take calls last

[spiral badge]

Come to think of it aphro call is the only boon I can think of that’s worse in a sense when it rolls epic lol

It’s value proposition decreases as its rarity increases in a way lol

[stable sigil]

How to do a good Hestia run?

Whenever i use gun i always go for eris because of how busted it is

[drifting robin]

Arty attack

And keep reloading after every shot

[stable sigil]

Hm.... chitical...

I could also go for aphro/dio on special or dash and then get some duos

[drifting robin]

Ye

[stable sigil]

Whenever I use gun I always get zeus because of the fast fire rate

But if Hestia is fully maxed I can see a percentage damage based build working

[drifting robin]

Its a lot of fun and also very good at high heat

Its range is insane

[spiral badge]

Turn first mirror perk green

That’s the Hestia perk

[stable sigil]

Ooh good idea

I always roll backstab but on hestia the other might be better

[spiral badge]

Mmhmmm

Pretty much hestia and Arthur that perk is a difference maker

Beyond that bind fire and reload to the same button in your head, and that’s how 2 hestia

[stable sigil]

:) thanks

[spiral badge]

Ricochet fire is your new best friend if you roll that way too

[stable sigil]

Yeah

Explosive fire would be good too

[drifting robin]

Also piercing

[tranquil falcon]

exactly 100 hangover damage

with curse of nausea

and splitting headache

listen i only took splitting headache and the worse pp for the prophecy okay

DAMN

THIS BUILD IS INSANE

wtf i'm critting everything

i'm on phase 3 of em4 without losing a single dd

that's my first time doing it

i was literally picking random thing for prophecies

i didn't expect this to work THIS WELL

like i knew hangover chiron was good but DAMN

also i got FOUR greater calls

4

in one single fight

with no call boosting things

no hunter instinct

no quick favour

just base

not even support fire

artemis call really doing like 4k damage

[still vortex]

100 hangover damage? Wew

[manic willow]

Hey what does cold embrace actually do?

It seems a weird effect and I’m curious how it plays out

[tranquil falcon]

it just points the beam at you

[dense remnant]

put the boss/enemy u wanna melt between urself and the beam

[tranquil falcon]

can you get offered charged skewer with explosive launcher

[proven osprey]

No

Only in that order : charged skewer > explosive launcher

[manic willow]

Oh ok thanks

[sonic ember]

yeah, you just put a beam and it points towards you

it's weird

id rather have the artemis duo instead

[rare kindle]

crystal beam requires high rolling but it's satisfying when it comes together

I have mirage shot, crystal clarity, and epic glacial glare

[nocturne raven]

Just noticed a trend in all my builds from successful clears so far.

Artemis' Aid.

I literally have not gotten a single clear without it, and I've gotten through I think 15 times now.

[drifting robin]

Ive literally not used artemis aid once

In like 100+ attempts

[nocturne raven]

Might just be my playstyle (I pretty much main Chiron bow) but most if not all the other Aid boons force you to stay near an enemy or boss to do real damage and that leads to me taking a lot of damage.

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid does some very nice burst damage if you go for backstabs.

[tranquil falcon]

this run's gameplay is starting to feel like doom eternal with how many different button's i'm pressing

[cunning urchin]

But only really on bosses.

[tranquil falcon]

i have hestia

so that's reload and fire

and then also triple bomb with demeter special

and then i also have smoldering air

and now i have blizzard shot

i am literally forced to spam every single button possible

lmao

well not forced but you get what i mean

on the bright side, the dps is INSANE

is hera trippy shot stygian soul or abyssal

stygian or infernal*

[hearty mulch]

hazard bomb eris

thoughts?

:^)))))

[rare kindle]

maybe if you're good at i-framing through the blast

[proven osprey]

stygian

[worldly forum]

Question, I just got my first companion, meg, and in the second phase of theseus I wasn't able to use my summon. Is this always or was there a particular reason?

[drifting robin]

Idk

[tranquil falcon]

did you have the summon available?

like how many summons did you have

[worldly forum]

Should have had 3

[tranquil falcon]

did you already use it in the fight?

[worldly forum]

Oh

Yeah

Duh

[robust anchor]

lol

[worldly forum]

I'm an idiot lol thank you

Totally forgot it was once per

[spiral badge]

Ok yall

I’ve tried and tried

How the hell are you supposed to GY properly

[dusky drum]

gy??

[spiral badge]

I’m trying to 32 every weapon

And GY seems to be the one for the task on spear, my weakest

But I dont know what the hell I need to be building for

Guan Yu

[dusky drum]

oh guan yu, ummm yea its dumb

[echo veldt]

does chain lighting proc static discharge/jolt?

[spiral badge]

Any zeus does

Lightning touches enemy - jolted applied

[echo veldt]

sick, got lightning strike on exagryph

and just found static discharge

[fervent elbow]

For GY, Artemis on special, look for charged skewer.

Spamming special is fine to begin with

If you're with td2, you can still take your time healing with spins

[spiral badge]

Ok, thank you. What kind of play works well outside special spam? Or am I basically rolling for charged skewer/heart rend?

[drifting robin]

Mabye try using hades spear. Get explosive launcher and spam special

[fervent elbow]

I heard including some dash strikes between specials is good, so serrated can be another hammer you want, but it's risky

[drifting robin]

I like hades spear and got a pretty easy 32 dub with explosive launcher spam

[spiral badge]

Alright I’ll play around. Maybe I need to just nut up and give Achilles another go

Spear is def my weakest weapon, so I’m trying to get it out of the way on my way to 6/6

[still vortex]

Achilles is best spear

[coral cave]

that is the general consensus

and i agree

[spiral badge]

ez-dummy god choices for achilles that aren't "just hunt hunting blades dummy"?

not sure if any god is particularly strong with spear. hear zeus is a monster with flurry jab, but hammer dependent

[hearty mulch]

Yeah, Achilles is far superior to the other spears

[dusky drum]

i mean hades is alright

that extra 150% damage after spin is nice

[hearty mulch]

It is, it definitely is

But it isn't fast-paced like Achilles

And in a game like Hades, speed is basically everything

Unless you're memeing and doing an AFK run or something

[dusky drum]

speaking of which is revenge any good??

like with duo

[hearty mulch]

I suggest a Zeus Attack build to get started. Even without Flurry Jab, Zeus Attack (esp when combined with Poseidon Dash and Aid + Sea Storm) is almost always a consistent, strong build.

[dusky drum]

cuz i dont like it too much

[spiral badge]

Will do poke

[hearty mulch]

Revenge is pretty good in my experience, though I almost never exactly made it the basis of a build

[spiral badge]

the +150% sounds like it could be great general utility for zeus

[hearty mulch]

I think the only time I ever came close to a true "AFK" revenge build was with a Blade Rift run that somehow got Zeus and Athena revenge

So I of course got the Vengeful Mood duo boon from that as well

All in all, a Revenge run is something you have to actively go for. It isn't like, say, Zeus Attack or Merciful End where you could have a bit of leeway in what you can do.

[abstract flower]

Do people usually run Zeus attack and Artemis flourish for Eris?

[pale kayak]

tfw you get a decent heroes fight, and end up getting 4-sacked by the game.

[abstract flower]

I lost to heroes in my latest eris run

[pale kayak]

I did a run with Zag Rail, Spread Fire with Artemis Attack

[abstract flower]

I had zeus attack and artemis flourish

[quaint rivet]

Why is aspect of Achilles considered good for cast builds?

[gusty rapids]

yeah thats a common build

tidal dash is really useful as well

[gusty rapids]

the post-rush buff of +150% to ur next 4 casts is HUGE

if you make sure to apply your buffs before casting its massive damage

[quaint rivet]

Oh it doesn’t say on the selection screen

Damn

[gusty rapids]

it should say it in the aspect screen

like "post rush attack and cast damage: +150%" or something

[tame bison]

Yeah have to hover over the aspect once equipped and read fine print. It’s weird

[quaint rivet]

Yeah magnet fists say it up top

Achilles must have it in fine print cuz i didn’t see it

[tranquil falcon]

nohit phase 1+2 of em4 with fists

because zeus legendary+zeus attack+fists +extra dashes=very fast call

spam athena call

lets see if i can nohit em4

aaand i immediately took 80 damaage

rip

smh zag aspect didn't save me

that 80 was the only i took the entire figttht

[jovial fulcrum]

tfw you misclick and don't take volley on chiron bow

feelsbad man

[honest wing]

F

[still vortex]

Someone give me a Beowulf build recommendation please.

Which cast and which duos?

[jovial fulcrum]

posiden mirage shot

dio mirage shot

[still vortex]

Ooh. What should be Artemis, attack?

@jovial fulcrum ?

Or Artemis cast, Poseidon something else?

[jovial fulcrum]

I'd do Arty attack, but the attack doesnt matter

just filling slots as pre reqs for duos

the only thing that really matters is getting flood flare

[slim lynx]

if pressure points comes up you should just take it first

then you can get support fire and then you can get fully loaded

[rapid storm]

Ayo i got the spear final aspect

[still vortex]

If you've gotten someone's boon and sold all of them, are they still in your guaranteed pool in that run?

[gusty rapids]

yes

they become part of your pool as soon as you pick up one of their boons

and you cannot make a god leave your pool

[still vortex]

Does Poseidon attack work with Beowulf or not?

[gusty rapids]

wdym work with

I’d avoid it since knock back is painful w beowulf regardless

well too much knock back is

[honest wing]

can you get blizzard shot with beo

blizzard flare?

that should be a thing man

how does slicing shot work with beo, does it just send a blade rift out normally?

[gusty rapids]

yeah except the blade rift is huge

and no blizzard shot

[honest wing]

F

[slim lynx]

the blade rift is huge but also lasts very very briefly

i think it only hits 3 or so times before dissipating

pretty disappointing honestly

[honest wing]

guys

I just lost all my progress

wtf

[velvet scarab]

???

That's messed up, bro. I'm so sorry...

[honest wing]

no I got it back

from the recycle bin

[velvet scarab]

Oh, NICE!!!

[honest wing]

thank the gods

[velvet scarab]

[honest wing]

who's the god of game saves

thank the god of save files

[velvet scarab]

Backupeidon...

[honest wing]

lmaoo

[velvet scarab]

Saveres...

Aphrosavie...

I'll see myself out...

[honest wing]

lol

artesave

[velvet scarab]

Oh man, I "infected" another poor shade :/

[visual jungle]

i Did Not Know you can "hug your dad" to avoid hades big radial beam attack and continue to attack him. that is big

[velvet scarab]

Dude, it's all I do!

Especially with fists or sword. I give him the business!

[visual jungle]

all this time i been hiding behind the pillars

[velvet scarab]

[willow haven]

[velvet scarab]

Sword + Aspect of Poseidon + Artemises Legendary Boon + the "hug of DETH" = DETH 4 PAPI

The only thing I never tried is blocking the disco lights with the Aegis pre-bull rush

Wonder if that would work?

[coral cave]

Pretty sure it would yeah

[velvet scarab]

Well, I'm off of work for the next 2 days, so I'll see you guys in Tartaros!

[visual jungle]

yeah my first clear was with shield i think because i could block everything heh

[velvet scarab]

Fists was mine.

[visual jungle]

also first EM4 win 👀

and only EM4 win...

[velvet scarab]

That's when I found out you could hug dad for the W

All Hades wanted from his son was a hug! After that, he let me go. We were the villain all along, depriving papi of love...

I remember the devs even saying during their commentary of a speed run that the "hug strat" is well known amongst the more consistent playerbase/community.

[jovial fulcrum]

Cast Damage or Bloodstone cap from chaos? Same curse

Beo shield

bloodstone right

[half crater]

yus

[slim lynx]

bloodstone

definitely bloodstone

[half crater]

bloodstones are effectively a multiplicative dps increase, which would be worth it on its own but they also make it easier to get through rooms without having to spend half your time picking stones up

[jovial fulcrum]

just got fully loaded to go with it

https://i.imgur.com/YVLZhuo.png

pog

[willow haven]

i was doing some zeus cast build

it went everywhere

it was a pain to pick it up

[manic willow]

Hey what’s the boons that stack really well with Demeter aspect

[willow haven]

so i just switched

[manic willow]

also what exactly s the hug strat?

[willow haven]

athena/aphro/artemis

[willow haven]

remember 2nd stage of hades fight where he uses lasers?

[manic willow]

Yes

[willow haven]

you can just stand at the source to avoid damage

[manic willow]

Like on him?

[willow haven]

yes

[manic willow]

Incredible

[honest wing]

hoo mama lets' go em heroes fight

except I have an epic build with the zeus legendary and all the right boons

gonna shred them

have all three DDs too so I'm good

[manic willow]

Is hero fight The and Asthma

[willow haven]

yes

asthma

XD

asterius and theseus xD

[honest wing]

defeated them ez

got lucky with the call timing, turned into a beyblade (ares greater call) as soon as asterius turned into a beyblade

that was fun pog

[jovial fulcrum]

Charged shot hammer lets goooo

[honest wing]

also fought charon that went by ez too

[manic willow]

Oh I’ve go to do that!

[manic willow]

Could u provide a specific or type of boon pls?

[willow haven]

it's kinda weird but athena attack, artemis special and aphrodite cast

along with athena dash if you can

[manic willow]

Athena had some pretty rad stuff

[willow haven]

the trick is to make special crit bonkers with heart rend(artemis + aphro) and deadly reversal(artemis + athena)

it's super fun

[manic willow]

Ooh sounds cool thanks

[tidal scaffold]

always thought athena had a pretty nice boost on attack

[plucky harbor]

blinding flash? yea

[tidal scaffold]

hel yea

though i might be starting to go dependent on artemis boost, im addicted to criticals i think

[devout bloom]

How do I get past the Elysium boss

I'm having a lot of trouble

[tidal scaffold]

kill asterius first

if you arent that good try the Shield

[muted canopy]

I'm pretty sure Varatha is good for theseus, like if it gets blocked by his shield one way it'll hit him on the way back

[tidal scaffold]

yeah, but its hard to get good hits on asterius if you dont have a good build

depends if you want either a fast or a slow run

but i would say shield is better since its based more on dodging than attacking, and dodging is basically just dashing, with athena dash, it's great

[willow haven]

stand behind the pillars while focusing the bullman

that way you can avoid man's spear while killing the bullman

whenever bullman charges, dash through the pillars so he bonks on them

[devout bloom]

I've noticed that

I was splitting my attention between the ywo

Two*

[willow haven]

focus bullman first

[devout bloom]

I just now realized that the spear guy has a shield yoo

Too*

[willow haven]

yes, the spearman is vulnerable while he's calling or right after he throws his spear

[devout bloom]

I used to just spam like crazy I realized that I can just take it slow and observe

[willow haven]

yes

start it slow

no need to rush that fight

[devout bloom]

Yeah

What about the weapon changes

I unlocked all aspects of the machine gun

Just for the heck of it. Have yet to try it out

[willow haven]

i'd say hestia with boonless attack and collar if you have it

just attack reload attack reload

but try all of them to see what you find the best

[devout bloom]

Hestia is the bonus damage on reload?

[willow haven]

yes

you just reload after every bullet

[devout bloom]

Seems weird

[willow haven]

it's the best

super chill

one shots almost every mob

[devout bloom]

Yeah benefit from the bonus as much as you can right

[willow haven]

yeah

[devout bloom]

Does the bonus work on your dash strike?

[willow haven]

ye

but remember it's only one shot

so you have to keep reloading after every shot

i tried artemis dash strike bonus and it was beautiful

[tidal scaffold]

i like dashing randomly while shooting 5 missiles in the same place

basically killing the enemies while dodging

if i get better at dodging too, it might become a viable solution

I should also improve my aim...

Also, Theseus isnt such a problem in the fight, just keep dashing and his chances to hit you with the spear are pretty low

usually dash in circles i guess

[west sleet]

Other than demeter and dionysus, all casts work relatively the same efficacy w poseidon sword right

[tidal scaffold]

im bad with casts

i guess

[willow haven]

you might love hera and beowulf trippy

rechargable cast tho

[tidal scaffold]

i already have hera, but im not that good with the bow in general

[willow haven]

me neither

8k kills and 22ish clears

xD

[tidal scaffold]

"Im a shield main" : said 50% of the players XD

what does hidden aspect shield do?

[willow haven]

same as hera

[tidal scaffold]

hmmmmmmmmm

[willow haven]

loads it in and after bullrush, impacts

[tidal scaffold]

that seems...rather convenient

[willow haven]

it's super fun

[tidal scaffold]

other than that it works like the normal shield?

cause i dont like zeus aspect for example

[willow haven]

zeus imo is a very tough aspect to play around

[tidal scaffold]

it seems frustrating to me

[willow haven]

well you just throw it out and run around

[west sleet]

I only can play beowulf. I cant use the other shield aspects for some reason

[willow haven]

chaos is pretty decent

very good for room clears

[tidal scaffold]

well chaos is ok, but i rarely bull rush, i would need something like having your casts embedded in my bull rush to make it worth it

Also, if you play aspect of zeus as main, you have my respects

like that would take amounts of patience and coordination

im not able, i just spam right click

tho i feel like im speedrunning through my mouse's life

[willow haven]

you can just throw it out then play it like normal shield

don't have to get stuck like chaos shield until it returns

[tidal scaffold]

true, but if you throw at the right angle it comes back pretty fast

[willow haven]

no?

oh

right

[tidal scaffold]

zeus aspect might be good if you do a kamikaze run

[willow haven]

i thought you were talking about zeus aspect for asec

xD

[tidal scaffold]

by kamikaze run i mean spamming explosive return XD

you know, i will try that

[willow haven]

good luck

[tidal scaffold]

might not look like it, but explosive return is OP

if you know how to dodge up-close

oh, and the hydra, i think it destroys the hydra

might be a bit daring on the furies but its cool

asterius will follow you around so it might be possible to go for some constant damage, and since its area it means theseus is basically dead, Hades, is just hades, f;'k tiny vermin and foes should already be asking for mercy

imo, tiny vermin is as hard as Hades

ok...zeus aspect miiiight be cool

i will have to try today after class

[jovial fulcrum]

for under world customs, how does the boon purge work.

is it just random, or do you get the typical choice of 3

[dense remnant]

tiny vermin's like a DPS test- the slower u kill it the more dmg u might eat

I think I've only ever gotten tiny vermin once, where my DPS was questionable and it took me forever to kill it

[willow haven]

yep, choice of 3 with rerolls allowed

i was running hunting blades with the pull boon and LMFAO hades was moving with the blades while kneeling

god i wish i had recorded that

[coarse moss]

gettin the right idea. if you maxed the blood on it, the disc does 30 per tick . 1 tick already stronger than attack, and hits really fast. treat the blitz as a melee weapon and dont let it fly too long. recall it quick and often

[willow haven]

imagine if it followed enemies

[coarse moss]

can do that, bull chase me, while blitz shield also chase me, so....rip bull

[jovial fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/gxtLXO4.png

:pepehands:

[orchid folio]

The internal screeching that screenshot causes me

[jovial fulcrum]

this run, AP also killed concentrated volley

was on Chiron bow

it also killed purple deadly flourish twice

[manic willow]

Haha

What aspect good for spear

[jovial fulcrum]

achilles

[proven osprey]

Different League is very nice

[cunning urchin]

No, extra casts take more time to cast. They can also add 0 DPS when you need 3 or fewer casts to kill any enemy etc. It's not quite that simple.

[half crater]

sure

but simply having to spend less time collecting casts is a major boon for beowulf

[cunning urchin]

Cast damage bonus can allow you to kill in fewer hits.

[half crater]

speeds up room clear a lot, and that’s the only thing you’re liable to have issues with

they’re both very good

when presented with a choice between the two, i choose the extra bloodstone

[cunning urchin]

You can only load casts so fast between and during Dragon Rushes, too.

[half crater]

sure

you’re right it’s not that simple

i still think the bloodstone is better

[cunning urchin]

+1 ammo is not always the better choice.

[half crater]

there’re rarely absolutes in this game, so fair

[cunning urchin]

Less ammo also lets you pick up all of your ammo faster to get max damage from a Dragon Rush again.

[half crater]

extra cast damage shines the most in boss fights

which is useful, but not the situation that beowulf struggles with

you make some good points tho

honestly i don’t think i actually have to choose between them that often lol

usually i’m happy to get one or the other

[cunning urchin]

For Infernal Soul Beowulf with 3 ammo, +1 ammo is +200% damage backloaded. +67% Cast damage is +201% damage frontloaded.

[half crater]

yes

if you have mirage shot obviously that number skews heavily in the bloodstone’s favour, but it’s still valid data

i maintain that the versatility of having that damage in 4 units as opposed to 3 is useful more often than it is detrimental

also you’re not gonna get +67% cast damage on a common chaos boon, but a common +bloodstone is exactly as good

but that’s kinda neither here nor there

[cunning urchin]

No. 4 Beowulf casts would get +240% bonus damage from Mirage Shot. 3 Beowulf casts with +67% Cast damage would get +240.3% bonus damage from Mirage Shot.

[half crater]

wait

huh

yeah i guess for some reason i never realised that mirage shot is multiplicative

since it’s an extra cast, not just +30%

[cunning urchin]

Mirage Shot is essentially just [final cast damage] * 1.3, yeah.

[half crater]

that does make the multiplicative advantage of bloodstones pretty limited in reality

i guess if you had a +cast damage chaos boon and then got a choice between more +cast damage and a +bloodstone the +bloodstone would be a bigger dps increase

but that’s a pretty niche scenario

[honest wing]

so uhh

I got serrated point tempest strike second wave and sea storm

[cunning urchin]

I think once you have 3 Stygian ammo or 4-5 Infernal ammo, extra cast damage is almost always better.

[honest wing]

does that mean one dash strike will do 6 lightning strikes?

[cunning urchin]

No, Sea Storm has a cooldown.

[half crater]

that makes sense

[honest wing]

also does getting a hammer from the anvil count towards the propchecy

dammit

forgot about the cool down ye

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Anvil should count.

[half crater]

particularly with the big numbers of like epic rarity +cast damage

[proven osprey]

Anvil does count

[cunning urchin]

There's also just a point where you can't mash your Cast button fast enough for extra ammo to matter.

[half crater]

tbf the likelihood of getting more than 4-5 casts on beowulf is very small

since fully loaded is so impractical to get

[tidal scaffold]

Explosive return is the way to go then

With some critical too

Or have doom on it and do some stat bonus damage

[cloud vault]

You might find Flurry Cast though

Then you want as much ammo as you can have

[cyan jay]

how should i play aspect of lucifer?

[cloud vault]

By dashing while attacking to keep your charge up

[trim niche]

Does anyone know how to build the bow? its the only weapon i cant get to higher heat

[proven osprey]

What aspect do you play?

[trim niche]

the first with crit sometimes

[fair cairn]

Hera, aphro cast

[proven osprey]

Ok

[fair cairn]

Chiron, dio, demeter or artemis special

Make sure you have Chiron at high level

[proven osprey]

So the key to Zag bow is Heart rend, so you should aim for Artemis and Aprhodite as your main gods.

[fair cairn]

For zag bow, heart rend

Yep

[trim niche]

ok thanks what about the last aspect

i think it looks fun but i cant play it properly

[fair cairn]

Rama is all about attack so artemis works very well

[honest wing]

the last aspect, I prefer spamming the special

[proven osprey]

Go for Deadly strike and Passion Dash with Zag bow. Apply weak with dashes and exterminate your foes with the power of love. Then aim for Arty and Aphrodite tier 2 boons

[honest wing]

and for that zeus on the special, or dio on the special with aphro on the attack for the duo

^last aspect

do you mean the 4th aspect or 3rd aspect

[trim niche]

The last

the hidden one

[honest wing]

yea, zeus on the special is just chef's kiss with that

[trim niche]

Okay thanks

[fair cairn]

True

[proven osprey]

For Rama, Deadly strike is very nice. You'll be dash striking a lot so Hunter dash is valuable. Zeus, Dio are good on special because it does not scale well with % boons. You could also try doom or Demeter to slow your does

[honest wing]

get swift flourish, relentless volley, double strike, and then go for the legendary

[honest wing]

if you're putting artemis on the attack dont you want aphro on the special for heart red

[proven osprey]

Rama's strenght is its attack, special builds are kinda meme

No you do no need heart rend

[honest wing]

and by design also rama is supposed to be like tag all the enemies with the special for shared damage and hit chonky hits with the atack

is that so

[proven osprey]

I mean it's alright

[honest wing]

watch me do the heart rend build just to spite you

[proven osprey]

But not really mandatory to go fast

[cloud vault]

I'd rather have hangover and splitting

[proven osprey]

or even clear

[honest wing]

i see

yea I mean nothing is mandatory

[brazen nest]

Curse of longing with smoldering air is so good

Lol

Also, only forced overtime and damage control for the prophecy to be completed

[jovial fulcrum]

I banged out that prophecy this morning

I'm like half way to maxing out all the aspects now

but all the 'easy' titan blood has been claimed

and I'm not quite to the point where I can start swapping ambrosia for blood

[cloud vault]

Easy blood? Just beat +1 heat

[jovial fulcrum]

That's what I've been doing

Just a bit slow

2 blood a run adds up eventually, just not as quickly as 15 blood for a prophecy

[proven osprey]

There's a 15 blood

Oh you got it already

[brazen nest]

I'm upping my heat as I go for the prophecy

[jovial fulcrum]

there's 2 i think, actually

[rose cloud]

How do y'all use the spear ._.

[brazen nest]

Hoarding money for styx is good too

[proven osprey]

Be careful about the barter's trades

[brazen nest]

You don't use the spear

[jovial fulcrum]

pretend its a sword with more reach and just spam dash strike

hehexd

[brazen nest]

Or try achilles, it's the easiest

Rush cast 3x, rush, cast, repeat

[jovial fulcrum]

Achilles is the best for sure, bull rush just feels awkward to me idk

[rose cloud]

Hmm

But I got used to Arthur when using the blade

[jovial fulcrum]

the swords are all decently fun

[cyan jay]

what to build with arthur aspect?

[brazen nest]

Sword I've only went all the way with nemesis

But I want to try poseidon later

With zeus or artemis cast

[rose cloud]

Prioritize Artemis boons

[brazen nest]

Maybe even poseidon cast

I dunno

[jovial fulcrum]

arthur kind of like any other sword.
Just go arty for crit attack and dash strike dash

[brazen nest]

Which hidden aspect you like the most?

Beowulf feels super cool

[jovial fulcrum]

gilgamesh is my favorite

[limber cloak]

i like all the hidden aspects tbh

hard to say which one is the best

lucifer is the most fun

[rose cloud]

I have a hard time using Beowulf

[limber cloak]

rama is imo probably the most powerful

beo does have a learning curve, an important thing to note when using beo is, you can load your casts after you bullrush

its a short window

but you can practice on skelly to get it right

though you wont get the dragon rush aoe bonus with loading them after you bull rush

[jovial fulcrum]

I only really like Beo and Gil. Arthur is fine, but eh.
the other three are eh to me.

I actively dislike Rama, personally. The draw is far too slow for my taste. Its takes an eternity

[rose cloud]

When I play Rama I switch the special and attack key and I'll just spam special

[limber cloak]

dash striking is really important with rama

[jovial fulcrum]

if I could start Rama with Flurry shot I'd try it again

[rose cloud]

No thanks I'm fine with Zeus special boon on Rama

[brazen nest]

I haven't unlocked any of the hidden ones

[rose cloud]

Oh

[brazen nest]

I'll do it with those 15 from the prophecy

I'll max one

[rose cloud]

Sorry for the spoilers

[brazen nest]

Probably gilga or bel

[jovial fulcrum]

i did one Rama run, and I got the +4 special shot hammer.
So i just ran around with bouncy shotgun bow

[brazen nest]

Nah, no problem

Or maybe guan yu

Since I don't have much experience with spear

[jovial fulcrum]

GY is kinda hard

[rose cloud]

Haven't tried Guan Yu bc I haven't maxed it yet

[brazen nest]

Why is gy hard?

[jovial fulcrum]

half HP and healing

[rose cloud]

Mine's still at level 3 lmao

[jovial fulcrum]

It's got the strongest move set out the the spears.
The special on GY is nutty and the spin attack is like an Ares cast that heals you.

[brazen nest]

Nice

Sounds fun

[fair locust]

half hp? i did a run with 30% for the bounty

[jovial fulcrum]

It also has a ton of reach on the javb

[fair locust]

kinda forgot you can upgrade it

[brazen nest]

Although I do have the tendency to faceblock

[fair locust]

firecracker does loads of damage

and yeah you can't do that with guan yu

healing is low

[jovial fulcrum]

the drawback on GY is just too much to really justify it, even with the really powerful moveset

[fair locust]

i think 50% is more reaosnable

[coral cave]

GY

[fair locust]

especially if you target hearts and use the collar

i got to 100 hp on my run

at 30%

[jovial fulcrum]

I got like 200 in my GY run, and I had Affirmation and Vintage lmao.

maxed out GY even

[fair locust]

just dont get hit with boiling blood and take the W

[coral cave]

Just don't get hit 4Head

[rose cloud]

But I suck at evading

[fair locust]

i kinda wanna upgrade it now that i remember its a thing

moonlight greatsword too fresh tho

[brazen nest]

I have gy, rama, gilga and beo

Already unlocked

[jovial fulcrum]

don't get me wrong, I really like GY. IT was fun to play.
just, like, having so little max HP all the time makes it tough

[rose cloud]

^

That's why I am having fun with Arthur

[jovial fulcrum]

One day I gotta do an Arthur run where I get Affirmation and Vintage

Just walk in to Hades with 600 max hp

[rose cloud]

Is that feasible?

[brazen nest]

I don't know if I should get gilgamesh now cause like talos is so busted already

I'm at heat 4 with it

[jovial fulcrum]

for sure.
You just gotta get lucky

[rose cloud]

I only reached 475 something

[jovial fulcrum]

I had a 400 hp run the other day, and i wasn't even using arthur

[brazen nest]

If you go hard on hp things

It's easy to get that

I usually don't go for hp though, I usually end with 200~250

Starting with 100hp

[rose cloud]

300 is my minimum bc I suck at evading

[jovial fulcrum]

I think it that run I bought a Centaur Soul or two from wells

I didn't really have much else to do, so I just figured my ace was going to be walking in to Hades with a thousand HP between starting capped out and having 3 DDs

worked out

turns out you can tank a lot when you have that much hp

[rose cloud]

Yea just don't take the boiling blood

[brazen nest]

I can dodge fairly well, acorn, 200 hp and a defiance is usually all I need to beat hades

I usually have so much dps at that point that's a battle of who dies first

Next thing I want to do against him is using vengeful mood

[cloud vault]

Arthur with weak attack and upgraded weak, standing in consecration with Myrmidon Bracer, maybe also different league, just stand there and trade blows until he dies if you want. With vengeance build.

[jovial fulcrum]

I generally end with somewhere between 250. I don't often break 300 by much if at all

Oh yeah, I also had a chaos boon for max hp in my 400 hp run.

I remember cause it was actually 398 hp