#h1-builds-and-combat

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split echo
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Isn’t Poseidon in general just bad?

coral cave
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I wouldnt call him bad

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Just situational

split echo
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Without stuff like sea storm he’s borderline unusable

tidal scaffold
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there are less bad duo boons than good, so what happened there is even more improbable

split echo
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I think they should really let bosses be knockable

tidal scaffold
split echo
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If that’s a word

split echo
tidal scaffold
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that would make poseidon's boon for wall bashing, OP

coral cave
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I mean wave pounding exists

split echo
tidal scaffold
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...true

jovial fulcrum
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Posiden can be great but he wants you to focus a lot on his own boons for him to really shine

split echo
tidal scaffold
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but it wont work on hydra, the furies are non stop on the move, asterius can rush towards you and does big jumps, hades teleports half the time, theseus might be the only one that can get bashed against the wall, but he blocks a lot

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so would be pretty useless

jovial fulcrum
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I mean, someone already said.

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wave pounding

tidal scaffold
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what is wave pounding? im new

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😐

jovial fulcrum
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knockback does extra damage against bosses

tidal scaffold
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oh, how much?

jovial fulcrum
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depends

split echo
tidal scaffold
split echo
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Because you can slam them on wall and ignore the fact that they’re invincible from front

jovial fulcrum
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lvl 1 rare is like 20% i think

tidal scaffold
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but i barely play knockback runs, guess thats why im bad at elysium boss

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...hmm idk, it sounds like it would max raise to around 60%-70%?

split echo
# jovial fulcrum wave pounding

Yeah but one, it’s unhealthy if I HAVE to have one specific boon to fight dad; also it’s boring. It’s just a plain damage multiplier that doesn’t combo with anything else.

tidal scaffold
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thats what i wanted to say i just didnt know how to phrase it

split echo
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It’s kind of a weird experience because a Poseidon focus build would be great at the Temple

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Then when it comes to dad it suddenly feels like you have no boon at all

tidal scaffold
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yeah, i hate rat poison

jovial fulcrum
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Shoals is also really good for bosses usually

tidal scaffold
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i guess poseidon cast would be enough for the temple

split echo
tidal scaffold
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poseidon cast is really good imo

jovial fulcrum
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damage over time when they move

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Level 1 common shoals is 10 damage 5 times a second

tidal scaffold
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so poseidon cast with hera aspect, should go pretty well in temple

split echo
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I just finished a run with that

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The things is, not enough damage

tidal scaffold
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tiny vermin is just stupid idc

split echo
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Slamming enemies on wall is cool and all

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But if they don’t die, you gotta go collect all the stones and do it again

tidal scaffold
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its more that if you knockback enemies like the poison rats, you have way less chances to get poisoned

split echo
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You can get poisoned during this time if careless

tidal scaffold
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just dash

split echo
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There’s the

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What’s the name

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The remote poison thing

tidal scaffold
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athena dash might be mandatory here yea XD

split echo
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In general it just doesn’t work as well as melee Poseidon builds

tidal scaffold
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my movement is usually very messy so in stress situations i am hardly able to cure myself

split echo
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Damage is an issue

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And you can’t like

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Constantly slamming your enemies

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Because you need to collect the stones

tidal scaffold
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knockback is still good if you wanna knock enemies back and take your time curing yourself, for me it is required XD

split echo
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My current favourite Poseidon build is with spear

tidal scaffold
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well Poseidon did wield a trident ngl

split echo
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But again, works poorly against bosses

tidal scaffold
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im usually pretty patient on boses

coarse moss
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poseidon dash is great with rail. constantly shooting while ramming things. you can have damaging boons on the attack and special

tame bison
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Dash and rupture, great stuff

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Poseidon special on spear also good

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Flood shot Poseidon sword...

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Can go on

tidal scaffold
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yeah, but if you're like me and just dash and use rail special randomly, it will work poorly

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well yeah, you need a daedalus hammer for that but still

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why dont we have a daedalus hammer emote 😦

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and a codex one...

tame bison
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Nothing I said required hammer

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Unless you were referencing other comment

tidal scaffold
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i was talking about using rail

jovial fulcrum
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Zeus blueballing me out of Cold Fusion yet again

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ugh

tidal scaffold
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poseidon dash wouldnt really work nicely if i knocked foes back everytime i tried to hit them with the missiles

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and a daedalus hammer would give me 5 missiles instead of 1, hence the "random targeting missile"

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so i basically just dash and spam right click XD

jovial fulcrum
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just got my first companion residentzag

rapid storm
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damn i got to minotaur and theseus for the first time, I killed asterius but died from theseus

craggy falcon
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yeah preeety hard

rapid storm
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ye

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just happy i got there thats the farthest ive gotten

craggy falcon
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i defeated them with two death definces

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lol

rapid storm
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i had one but theseus is annoying with the perm block

craggy falcon
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yeah..

rapid storm
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although it did help alot that i had artemis backstab dmg boost boon

craggy falcon
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nice try anyway

rapid storm
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hmm whats better explosive shot, concentrated volley or piercing volley havent used bow in a while (i have aspect of hera)

craggy falcon
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hmm

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peircing volly i guess?

manic willow
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Any tips for gun build? I want to make sure I use it effectively

robust anchor
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what gun? if its not hestia, try zoos attack

plucky harbor
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yes, I recommend giraffe bomb dusa

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jokes aside, you can't go wrong with zeus

craggy falcon
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oh nice

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yoda's tips is always epic,you cant wrong with that.

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right?

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😄

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@robust anchor i think he mean the adamant rail

robust anchor
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the rail has 4 aspects so i wasnt sure which aspect

craggy falcon
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oh ok

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t

manic willow
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I haven’t tried the aspects yet.... any particularly good?

craggy falcon
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wel..

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go with hestia

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im not sure

robust anchor
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hestia and eris are super popular

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speedrunners love eris

craggy falcon
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or upgrade s zag's apect,you can get more ammo.

manic willow
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Sounds good!

craggy falcon
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glad to help 🙂

plucky harbor
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although, zag aspect is pretty reliant on hammer choices

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without it, it's pretty lacking

craggy falcon
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yes,true

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yoda still epic

proven osprey
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Pretty reliant on hammer, Zag spear is

coral cave
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Zag spear is easily worst spear

craggy falcon
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i agree

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@proven osprey lol

plucky harbor
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go brrr, exploding launcher does

craggy falcon
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epic,achillies aspect

plucky harbor
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used achilles aspect, my last ||32 heat|| run did

craggy falcon
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||titan blood,how do i get?||

jovial fulcrum
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Killing the Tartarus boss and/or Styx boss

plucky harbor
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have you played other weapons?

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at least once?

craggy falcon
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yeah i have

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i have all de weopens

plucky harbor
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killed final boss?

craggy falcon
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no 😦

plucky harbor
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:<

craggy falcon
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not yet

plucky harbor
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like appa said, final boss rewards another titan blood

craggy falcon
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ahhhh ok

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master yoda,i must follow.

teal gate
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Tips on spear builds?

plucky harbor
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flurry jab is one of the best hammer for spears

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but it doesn't work with hades aspect

teal gate
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Thanks master yoda

jovial fulcrum
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Floor 2

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Gilgamesh fist

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I have Ares Attack, Athena Flourish

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Floor 4, Chaos has an 81% dash strike boon on offer

dense remnant
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i love crit builds

jovial fulcrum
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this is the run

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i can feel it

dense remnant
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i've done:
Eris
Achilles
Excalibur
Gilgamesh
zagreus bow
chiron
rama
zagreus blade
Nemesis
Hera
Talos

and i've yet to do hestia

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am i missing an obvious crit build

plucky harbor
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have you tried zag rail + spread fire?

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it's a crit build

dense remnant
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no, cause i never get spread fire, but I guess that's a good idea

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Eris crit was a struggle, lol

plucky harbor
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lol, sadly it doesn't really work

dense remnant
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"it kinda works and im gonna finish this, but I wish I gave up 15mins ago"

plucky harbor
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me on boonless eris run

dense remnant
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i wasn't really going for it, but i got an epic Deadly Strike and i was on a crit streak (think it was my 4th crit run in a row), so i was like "whatever, let's go crit eris"

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wasn't the worst clear time either = 22mins or something (my usual runs are sub-20, but hey)

plucky harbor
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my boonless eris was like 40 mins?

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it was hell

dense remnant
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jesus

plucky harbor
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and I was stubborn as well

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by boonless

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I meant no ||companion|| as well

dense remnant
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yikes

fair locust
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did a run yesterday with aspect of poseidon fully intending to actually use casts after 60 escape attempts and i ended up with a 5k dps blade rift build

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mostly cause i had a crappy rare artemis cast

dense remnant
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lol

fair locust
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but i dont know what it will take for me to actually use this stuff

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only ever use festive fog on normal runs since its ok burst aoe damage

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do you guys have any suggestions

dense remnant
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call me a rebel, but i like to use poseidon's cast on poseidon aspect

plucky harbor
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for cast build?

fair locust
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yeah

plucky harbor
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curse of drowning

fair locust
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i havent found anything notable

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whats that

plucky harbor
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with talos

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basically an AOE around you that knocks away enemies

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but with talos you can pull every one to you

fair locust
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ooh

plucky harbor
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also works well with sea storm

fair locust
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what about the bloodstone

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do you guys use the 3 stock or the regen

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i heard 3 stock aint that good

plucky harbor
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since it's gonna drop near you I recommend 3 stock

coral cave
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did arte zag once

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pain

fair locust
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ill give it a go

plucky harbor
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regen is fine, if you got +cast

fair locust
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favourite build so far has been rama with maxed zeus boons and extra projectiles on the special

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do 50 base damage but 300 lightning damage and cause a storm

dense remnant
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it's pretty fun

fair locust
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i assume the gun can be pretty fun with zeus

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i still have never escaped with it

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though its not like i really tried

dense remnant
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it's okay

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:)

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and that smirk is sarcasm

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it's actually exceptional

fair locust
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i heard

dense remnant
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eris even increases lightning strike's dmg

fair locust
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when i unlocked it i was super disappointed tho

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not that fun till youre better at build planning

dense remnant
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oh yeah, i hated the gun initially

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mostly because i had 200 attempts without aim assist..

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aim assist is life

fair locust
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so good

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ive heard people complaining about it locking to weird things but like

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youd be missing half your shots otherwise anyway

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at least it is locking to things

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can not imagine hades with m&k

dense remnant
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i mean, u can still use aim assist

fair locust
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can you?

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thats nice

half crater
fair locust
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not so bad then

dense remnant
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to me kbm is best on gun, cause it gives u 100% control over the Special

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but i still play on a gamepad

fair locust
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oh yeah true

half crater
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loads of people keep assuming this game is unplayable without a controller without even trying lol

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it works great honestly

fair locust
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well yeah, most games dont support any assist on mouse

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that being the only potential issue

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but seems devs have it covered

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anyone here like using guan yu? ive yet to escape with that one as well

half crater
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i like using it

fair locust
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lifesteal aint quite as good as the sword's

half crater
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i’m not good with it tho

dense remnant
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idk why but guan yu's the only aspect i have yet to unlock xD

fair locust
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i only need lucifers now

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unlocked excalibur yesterday

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and it was

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mmmm

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nice

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love the 200 base damage its hilarious

dense remnant
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u mean the 1900 crit, right? :)

fair locust
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absolutely

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though i think i used doom on that run since i didnt find artemis for a while

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field seems kinda pointless since its best not to get hit but it had its uses

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mostly in the witches miniboss encounter

dense remnant
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field is a godsend

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and it disables traps

fair locust
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and to cuck theseus

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oh really? alright

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thats neat

dense remnant
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the field is all about the slow and the traps

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not really the dmg reduction

fair locust
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i did use it often since i had weak on my special to synergise

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not awful

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but the heavy attack is definitely the most fun part

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moonlight greatsword looking thing

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i wish the field applied your special effect tho

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but that sounds busted

dense remnant
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divine flourish field would be nutty

fair locust
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jesus

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didnt even think of that

dense remnant
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with ME or deadly reversal xD

half crater
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how would that even work lmao

dense remnant
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ur right, it wouldn't be that good

half crater
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if it’s just constant, would doom special and dire misfortune just automatically stack to infinite damage?

dense remnant
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cause they would be able to get in the field, but as soon as they attack it's deflected

fair locust
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doesnt it automatically activate after a few hits?

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or after the set timer

jovial fulcrum
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update.
Had Ares Attack/Athena Flourish on floor 2
At champs and still do not have ME

half crater
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ME doesn’t exist

jovial fulcrum
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i guesso

dense remnant
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i had ME in tartarus once

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guess what?

fair locust
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you do meet the requirements so bad luck

dense remnant
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didn't get divine dash until styx

half crater
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it’s propaganda spread by speedrunners to trick people

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there is no ares athena duo

coarse moss
dense remnant
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to be fair athena and ares don't really like each other

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so it all makes sense

fair locust
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you guys know the poseidon fishing legendary?

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i got that one run in the first chamber for having the conch shell equipped

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is it guaranteed?

dense remnant
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yes, the first one is

fair locust
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so theres no way to guarantee an actually good first poseidon boon?

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i mean

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at least it sold for 500 obols

dense remnant
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u can't really guarantee good first boons, u can just reroll

fair locust
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ah yeah true

dense remnant
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there are a few variations of the rerolls, so u can technically keep rerolling and giving up to see all the variations

fair locust
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forgot i had that cause i was so stunned i was only being offered one boon

dense remnant
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but there aren't that many

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also, from what i've seen

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all the gods offer the same type of boons and their rarity is the same at the very beginning of the run (the very first pick)

fair locust
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i recall re-rolling one time and getting better rarities though

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might be remembering wrong though

dense remnant
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like i said, this is the very first choice i was referring to

fair locust
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ya

dense remnant
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after u reroll there's variations

proven osprey
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You can get any rarity with the first boon

fair locust
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including legendary TrollFace

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well actually yeah

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thanks to papa poseidon

dense remnant
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no

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that was only the very first time

proven osprey
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You will get offered a priority boon (attack, special, cast, dash)

fair locust
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ah ok

proven osprey
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if you roll, you may see the call for example

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but you'll never get it as a first boon

dense remnant
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what I was referring to is that for example u use zeus keepsake and he offers u an epic thunder flourish, if u give up and change the keepsake every god will offer u an epic thunder flourish

proven osprey
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oh ok

dense remnant
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this only applies to the very firsts 3 boons offered (the first choice in the game)

jovial fulcrum
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not only did styx give me ME, it gave me impending doom too

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and billowing strength

patent pewter
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is hera good with aphro or dio cast?

proven osprey
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Infernal for Crush shot, Stygian for Beo

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These 2 are excellent casts indeed

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Crush shot is less highroll and has a great damage potential. Stay at melee range, one shot foes, pick up your casts, repeat

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You should aim for Snow Burst too

patent pewter
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gotcha

brazen nest
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Aw man, had i known I'd have made such a op build I'd have used SD to clear the prophecy already

patent pewter
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I backtracked for that prophecy

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played Eris til I clear 32 heat then I just go to 1 heat and use SD + RR

brazen nest
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I just escaped without ever losing a bar of health

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I had a crapton of dmg boost and dmg reduction with curses

mellow geyser
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I finished a 1 heat run and a 2 heat run on every weapon. Should I continue with this pattern and do 3 heat with every weapon?

proven osprey
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What's your goal?

mellow geyser
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Play the game, befriend more characters, advance the story

tidal scaffold
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then win 10 times and then do whatever you want XD

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oh wait

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nvm i read wrong

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there is no much more story to find than bits and pieces, just play the game and take the opportunities every time

slim lynx
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32 heat on every weapon residentzag

tidal scaffold
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your nick checks out

mellow geyser
limber cloak
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holy shit wtf is this asphodel

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chaos -> than -> midshop -> mini boss -> eurydice

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sad that this isnt a speedrun or else it wouldve been insane

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ive only really fought once in the entirety of this biome lmao

deep stag
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cause and effect

jovial fulcrum
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Zzz

limber cloak
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your hazard bomb makes foes jolted

Jolt damage : 60

deep stag
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it was kinda weak but entertaining and just a lazy option

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plus no poms unfortunately

limber cloak
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rip

deep stag
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this was like the one good thing about that run

jovial fulcrum
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Weird interaction with sea storm and beo shield;
If you have posiden cast, the sea storm trigger procs off the charge damage not the cast.

deep stag
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also, which hidden aspect should I look towards improving first? Im still starting out so I'm not too sure

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I've already unlocked Spear, Rail and fists but is there one that seems to be better right now than the others?

robust anchor
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the celery is worthless without max blood

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the sword is very popular and imo the bow is the best

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so its up to you

deep stag
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celery? sorry im still not too good with the informal names of stuff

robust anchor
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the green spear

deep stag
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oh that makes sense, thanks! 🙂

jovial fulcrum
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I maxed out Eris rail, but Zeus still wont give me Lucifer 😔

slim lynx
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does black out affect cast damage?

turbid needle
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Yes

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You can have Drunken Dash on Beo, get the hanghover on enemies, and pop 'em with the Trippy Flare for insane damage

limber cloak
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does flurry shot work with zag bow?

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i already have heart rend and point blank

slim lynx
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oh wow another painfully difficult to obtain boon that i'll force myself to get on my 32 heat beo attempts

turbid needle
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Flurry shot is ok. Standing attacks will do best with that hammer

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Instead of dash-attack

slim lynx
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what are the other options?

turbid needle
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^

limber cloak
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perfect shot

turbid needle
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Perfect Shot will probably do better then Flurry Shot.

limber cloak
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perfect shot is probably the better choice

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yeah

slim lynx
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personally i find flurry shot uncomfortable to use

limber cloak
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ill take flurry for science lol

robust anchor
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damn

slim lynx
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perfect shot is probably better, especially if you have hunter's dash or something

honest wing
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I don't understand why people dash attack on the bow and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

turbid needle
slim lynx
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dash-attack on bow charges way faster

robust anchor
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its faster than sitting down and shoot

jovial fulcrum
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flurry is the faster fire rate and + mag size right

honest wing
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yes

slim lynx
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it deals less damage but generally has better output is you can consistently pull off power shots

turbid needle
slim lynx
jovial fulcrum
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I liked that one, personally.

turbid needle
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^

jovial fulcrum
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o i c

limber cloak
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im talking about the bow

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lol

turbid needle
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Flurry shot, on the other end, is for bow

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And takes the charge away for an automatic attack

jovial fulcrum
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my bad

slim lynx
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speaking of dash strike who actually discovered that using mainly dash-strike to tear through enemies was the most effective strat for nemesis

limber cloak
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anyone who used it lol

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dash strike in general on sword is good

jovial fulcrum
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I like that one too, but I can understand why it's probably not great for max DPS. Flurry shot that is

limber cloak
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because sword attack combo is trash lol

turbid needle
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^

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Way too slow for the damage it gives

limber cloak
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your third attack knocks foes back

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and like why would you ever want that

robust anchor
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its really a shame since zag sword gives atk speed

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which is useless on dash strike

turbid needle
slim lynx
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zag sword is the meme sword

robust anchor
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😳

limber cloak
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in general for any sword, special > ds > ds is the best combo

slim lynx
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doesn't work unless you have both flurry and cursed slash

limber cloak
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its just on nemesis its even better

robust anchor
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so many flurry hammers

turbid needle
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Fists, Shield don't have one

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Spear also has Flurry Jab

limber cloak
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imagine flurry attack or something on fists

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lmao

slim lynx
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what sort of flurry hammer would shield have? gilga multi-dashes but bull rush?

turbid needle
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Pulverizing Blow is the closest

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It kinda also is a double-hammer

slim lynx
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it mean it literally is

turbid needle
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Otherwise Sudden Rush ?

limber cloak
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i dont get why they didnt name pulverizing blow something like "double strike" or whatever the other double hammers are

turbid needle
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Probably hard to find a fitting name for shield specifically

slim lynx
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double bash probably sounds better

turbid needle
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^

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The closest

limber cloak
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yeah something like that

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pulverizing blow is just so vague and meaningless lol

slim lynx
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also just wondering would you guys take charge shot or unyielding defense on beo?

turbid needle
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Charged Shot is the best Beo hammer

limber cloak
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atleast with the other hammers you can vaguely understand what they do by their names

turbid needle
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Makes your cast ranged

limber cloak
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^

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what i was about to say

jovial fulcrum
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Double Tap, mayhaps?

turbid needle
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Unyielding Defense is solid

jovial fulcrum
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unless that's something elsewhere

turbid needle
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no Double Tap hammers

slim lynx
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charge shot is great but i rarely actually get the chance to get it from hammers so i'm not exactly used to using basically rama x hera with the ability to block and aoe casts

turbid needle
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Well, the Charged Shot is also piercing, is kinda wide, and is 80 base damage

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Also doesn't need to fully charge to get the full base damage

limber cloak
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baj, whats the best zeus shield build i can go for

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was kinda inspired by your runs with it

turbid needle
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Depends on what you plan on doing

limber cloak
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i know zeus special is necessary

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what else

turbid needle
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It's, one of 'em

limber cloak
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im planning to go speedy i guess

slim lynx
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the thing i love about beo is that you don't need to wait for the rush to fully charge to be able to use it effectively

turbid needle
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Artemis special with Heart Rend is a consistent one.

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Merciful end with Ares attack or special works well

slim lynx
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almost makes sudden rush actually feel worse

turbid needle
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But is a bit more inconsistent

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Sudden Rush still a good hammer for Beo, IMO. Mobility's neat

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But yeah, I get you

limber cloak
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minotaur rush with beo is such a meme tbh

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and the best part is you cant even really tell when its charged up fully

turbid needle
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Minotaur Rush + Charged Shot with Artemis attack is disgusting damage on a crit lmao. Otherwise, kinda whatever

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You do more damage on your casts anyways

limber cloak
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yeah exactly

honest wing
limber cloak
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minotaur rush with beo is kinda like explosive shot on rama tbh

slim lynx
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beo with charge shot + power rush + sudden rush is literally hera with aoe

honest wing
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3 hammers

turbid needle
limber cloak
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lol

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ive never taken it on any other shield so i wouldnt know

slim lynx
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i could try making up a "bow" build on zag shield one day

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charge shot + minotaur rush residentzag

turbid needle
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If you fully charge a bullrush to actually time the powershot, chances are you'd do the same damage doing whatever else

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It's just a "Oh I wanted to block something, might as well get the powershot", or "I plan on bullrushing to an enemy to reach them, might as well wait juuuuust a little bit for that extra damage"

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That's the extent of Mino rush.

brazen nest
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Awesome when I finally get heart rend, in tartarus even, the game crashes

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Great

turbid needle
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Oof

honest wing
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why does zag shield say + attack and dash attack damage
couldn't it just have said attack damage and it applies to all of it?

slim lynx
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thank god for auto-saving

brazen nest
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Yay it revived

turbid needle
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the +base damage

honest wing
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ah right

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forgot that bull rush was part of the attack

turbid needle
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You are meant to mash that attack button like crazy

slim lynx
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beo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zag

turbid needle
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Honestly

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Wonder why it doesn't now

robust anchor
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i never played any shield except for zag

turbid needle
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Not like a +15 would do much on bullrush since it's base 40 already at max, on a slow-ish charge

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Probably to make it feel different from Chaos shield ?

slim lynx
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zag shield just does the same damage as beo right?

dense remnant
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i've done a crit zagreus shield, with the double attack from the hammer

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wasn't half-bad

turbid needle
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Damage's actually decent

hearty mulch
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And also has a wider area of effect anyways

slim lynx
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so is there any reason to take zag instead of beo in that case

turbid needle
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Beo bullrush is base 50, doesn't need to charge

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Zag shield bullrush is base 40 at max charge

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Other attacks are the same, damage wise

hearty mulch
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This isn't even taking into account the cast mechanic

turbid needle
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But Beo also gets to hyper-boost it's bullrush with the cast, yeah

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Zag shield does one thing better then Beo, and it's spam it's attacks

slim lynx
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zag shield does feel lighter but other than that is there basically no reason at all to take zag instead of beo

hearty mulch
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It's no wonder why Beo is the best shield outside of some Chaos Shield-riddled exceptions

turbid needle
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Hence, Pulverizing Blow actually being great on Zag shield, and not so much on Beo

dense remnant
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can i go for a rama special crit build, with its 5 base dmg ...

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prolly not

turbid needle
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Nah

hearty mulch
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Nah

turbid needle
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Zeus, Dio and Ares are your options

slim lynx
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that just sounds like a really bad idea

dense remnant
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never done dio on rama, ares was crazy

hearty mulch
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Rama is designed for the special to benefit the main attack

dense remnant
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doom procs for 1200 dmg

hearty mulch
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If you want the other way around, Chiron is right there

turbid needle
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^

dense remnant
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chiron crit is somewhat inconsistent

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i think most of the dmg comes from consecutive hits

hearty mulch
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Chiron crit sucks

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But it's better than Rama crit

turbid needle
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Rama special crit

dense remnant
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chiron crit isn't that bad

turbid needle
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You mean

hearty mulch
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Yeah

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That's what I meant

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Chiron Special Crit is basically a poor man's Artemis Aid

dense remnant
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i might try it for the lulz, i did finish a rail crit anyways

slim lynx
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if you really wanna go for it then zeus on rama special is... surprisingly powerful

dense remnant
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the dmg gets pretty good with consecutive hits and relentless volley

jovial fulcrum
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I did one run of Rama and I got Volley.
So i just ended up spamming shotgun bow because I hate how long the draw takes

robust anchor
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do you guys think art call is good

dense remnant
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i've done zeus rama, it's very cool

turbid needle
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Arty aid is aight

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Not fantastic, not bad

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Small charge and full charge alike

dense remnant
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i wish support fire would crit based on the attack that triggers it

jovial fulcrum
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you kind of have to wait for greater call for it to really be worth it, imo, which can be an issue sometime.

turbid needle
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Oh, it can

jovial fulcrum
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It can if you have mark

turbid needle
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With Hunter's Mark, Pressure Points, and other sources of crit

jovial fulcrum
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or pp

slim lynx
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arty's aid is pretty good

dense remnant
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i wish it would get the 15% or 20% from deadly strike/flourish

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if that's what triggered support fire

turbid needle
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I prefer Zeus, Dio and Poseidon aid over Artemis aid. Possibly Aphrodite's too

slim lynx
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just like arty builds in general it only really works if you have the sufficient boons but if you do it's very powerful

hearty mulch
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Zeus, Dio and Poseidon are literally among the best Aids anyways

turbid needle
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Artemis wants Chaos, or aspect %-damage boosts

hearty mulch
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Athena's also good

dense remnant
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oh, it's hilarious with deadly reversal and excalibur

hearty mulch
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Ares Aid is alright with a blade rift-specific build

jovial fulcrum
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I generally prefer Zeus or Dio.
or hades

dense remnant
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ares aid can do insane dmg without the "godrun" for it, with a godrun it gets unreal

hearty mulch
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Demeter Aid really needs the clear burst to work well

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And I have yet to really play Hades Aid

turbid needle
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Ares Aid is easy to just waste, and gets outdone by Zeus and Dio without the T2 boons

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But it's aight too

slim lynx
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demeter's aid is nice if there's really no other options

turbid needle
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Altho, the main issue with Ares aid, is that it prevents you from doing much of anything

slim lynx
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the aoe is huge and provides some okay enough supplementary damage

turbid needle
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Same with Poseidon Aid, kinda

dense remnant
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and if u don't have many ways to get Privileged status

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which can happen early in a run

turbid needle
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Altho you can do with about any core demeter boon. Even crystal beam can do it with Glacial Glare

slim lynx
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ares aid is very easily outclassed by athena's aid if you're not doing idk a hunting blades build or something

turbid needle
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^

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Poseidon Aid gets it's aid specific boon to mega boost it, and is just more bursty in general

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Also better pom scaling

slim lynx
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it's invincibility + a little contact damage vs invincibility + being able to do as much damage as you already can

dense remnant
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5k on ares aid isn't that little

jovial fulcrum
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that reminds me, I need to start taking Posiden aid more so that I can finally get that boon and finish the posiden prophecy

turbid needle
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... You get that number with the legendary

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Which, can be matched with Zeus' I think ?

dense remnant
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after about 230 escape attempts i still don't have the poseidon aid propheys either

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lol

jovial fulcrum
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you have to go out of your way to get it, it feels like

slim lynx
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zeus probably still outclasses it since with double strike alone i think you can get like 1k+ damage off of a lesser call

turbid needle
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It does based on the fact that you can still do whatever you want while it's active while sporting similar damage

dense remnant
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i still lose my target when i use zeus' aid

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so much flashing, too bright

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especially if i have high % AoE

jovial fulcrum
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Z Aid w/ jolted is just too good to pass up most of the time, its hard to keep my call slot open for Posiden aid

spiral badge
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Chill Brahs only in Posiedon’s surf shack

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Shoobies stay out

robust anchor
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nice

slim lynx
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wha

limber cloak
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zeus aid has like near highest dps

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beaten only by dio aid, iirc

spiral badge
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Needs to be a mod that overlays “wipeout” onto posiedons aid for its entire duration

honest wing
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ares?

spiral badge
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Then it’ll be S-tier

limber cloak
robust anchor
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feels good when other people do that math for you lol

limber cloak
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this is all single target damage mind you

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so aoe doesnt come into account here, or things like wall slam damage with poseidon aid

slim lynx
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base dio aid has better aid but the only way to get better damage is with t2s and duos

turbid needle
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What T2 boosts hanghover ?

slim lynx
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with zeus you can just slap jolted and double strike on it (maybe splitting bolt) and boom easy 1k

turbid needle
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For damage

spiral badge
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None really

turbid needle
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^

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Can't think of any

limber cloak
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the 3 hangover one

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its global damage isnt it

spiral badge
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Dio t2s kinda jank lol

turbid needle
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Bad influence ?

limber cloak
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more dmg while 3 or more foes are hangover inflicted

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yeah

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slim lynx
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only low tolerance and curse of nausea directly buff hangover

turbid needle
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Impractical, unless you do Jury Summons

limber cloak
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true

turbid needle
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And most likely wasted on the aid

slim lynx
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bad influence seems super unreliable

spiral badge
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3 simultaneous with a 4-second stack cool down isn’t good odds

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^^^^

proven osprey
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Dio's aid works alone, that's what I like about it

spiral badge
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If it was 2 it would be much more manageable

limber cloak
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i was just saying that there is a boon that increases hangover dmg, not implying that its good

slim lynx
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not to mention it's straight up useless on bosses

turbid needle
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The thing is : You apply the hanghover on 3 enemies ? Great, one of 'em is dead, and the debuff's deactivated

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turbid needle
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It's rarely on for long

slim lynx
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if the damage boost was nerfed a little bit and you only needed to apply hangover on 2 enemies it would be a lot more worth getting

turbid needle
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Yup

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Alas

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I doubt at this point any major boon rework will happen

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Dio's entire toolkit could use a redo

slim lynx
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this isn't early access anymore so we can't just tell supergiant to change something and then they'll do it

limber cloak
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yeah like the community wants a lot of balances but the games already out, the only thing theres gonna be are bug fixes and maybe some aspect nerfs

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exactly

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id rather that there was a balanced hades mod or something, which had all configurable balance changes to the game

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something like pony's qol, but with balance changes

slim lynx
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doesn't help that two of dio's boons are almost ENTIRELY useless on high heat cough after party cough

robust anchor
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i guess you can use magics edits

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i use it to affect boon rarity

slim lynx
limber cloak
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community effort could make it possible though

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get 4 good modders, assign them 2 gods each. discuss all the balances that you wanna make

spiral badge
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Honestly I’m super hopeful for this game on the mod front at least

limber cloak
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samee

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i wanna see a skyrim-like future for it

honest wing
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mods for more gods when

spiral badge
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After seeing how creative Gungeon and some other games got with their mods, this has huge potential

turbid needle
slim lynx
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hollow knight does have one hell of a modding community even today and taking into account how popular hades is it's not impossible

turbid needle
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It's good

spiral badge
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Hell with boon rebalancing, I want to see weapon rebalancing

honest wing
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nice, am hopeful

slim lynx
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Some of the weapon ideas they just flat didn’t take far enough, sorry SGG ❤️

limber cloak
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plus with hades, you can literally start modding yourself. like its not even hard or anything. just open up a few .lua files in notepad

turbid needle
limber cloak
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all the value related stuff is basically given open source

turbid needle
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Something along those lines

honest wing
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I had ideas for an apollo mechanic

limber cloak
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apollo

slim lynx
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so apollo

honest wing
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apollo is fire sun

slim lynx
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or helios?

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i don't know enough about greek mythology dusa

spiral badge
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Gilga and Hestia in particular I think are poorly executed and could be fixed in all kinds of exciting ways

limber cloak
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there have been fan art for apollo and hera by someone on reddit

turbid needle
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Probably Helios. Will have to recheck

limber cloak
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looked pretty cool

limber cloak
slim lynx
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i really love it when someone make a mockup of a new god being introduced in hades

limber cloak
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yeah

honest wing
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I had an idea like for the dash or call, like ares', a "sun" like square appears and does low but increasing damage for a short duration

limber cloak
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i loved the kratos artwork so much

honest wing
slim lynx
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if hades gets ported to ps4 i'd be less than surprised if ares were to be replaced by kratos

spiral badge
slim lynx
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i really wanna try pony's qol

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the main problem is that i haven't exactly 100%ed my file yet

spiral badge
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I think all they’d need to do to Gilga to make it much more fair is bring your dash strike damage in line with the rest of the kit, and make maim do an even 50/50 increase from go

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Hestia is just a crying shame though. That could use an entire mechanics rework

slim lynx
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doesn't make sense that gilga's dash-strike only does 20 damage while attack does

spiral badge
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Such an inspired idea, such tepid execution on it

slim lynx
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idk somewhere around 60?

honest wing
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60 yea

spiral badge
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Yeah

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It’s why I say heavy knuckle talos is a better Gilga then Gilga

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Because your dash attacks matter again, among other things

slim lynx
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is me even good on gilga? dash-strike feels absurdly clunky

spiral badge
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Oh no

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ME is fantastic on Gilga

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Gilga is the ME warhorse because of it’s dashes

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It’s just a unipolar build

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You’re kinda stunted until ME is fully online

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Because of those stupid dash strikes being worthless outside of their curse inflicting capability

slim lynx
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dash-strike still feels bad to use on gilga (and it IS bad to use most of the time) but it is cool being able to chain 3 hits on an enemy

spiral badge
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I’ll give Gilga this

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ME Gilga with epic greatest reflex makes the hades fight into some Anime finale business

honest wing
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I honestly dont think dash strikes are that bad, it's just that I just hold it down and forget to leave it so I'm like dash-dash-dash, standing at a place till my dash recharges again punching air

spiral badge
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Teleport around dad like goku 20 times and he falls to ribbons. Very entertaining

honest wing
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i want someone to draw that now

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like a sword take out put in, except dashes across dad once, a sword flashes and then boom

spiral badge
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It’s how I picture it in my head every time. The still, snowy background, the epic showdown after the journey

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Everything is picture perfect lol

honest wing
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yess

spiral badge
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Straight out of Tarantino’s imagination

honest wing
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lmao

slim lynx
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it feels like his boons are NEVER worth getting at common rarity except for second wind or side hustle

spiral badge
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I feel like even a common extra dash is a huge boost tbh

slim lynx
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greatest reflex is alright

spiral badge
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+33% more movement effectively 👀

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But yeah I only take his common stuff if I’m aiming for rush delivery or his legendary lol

honest wing
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hermes boons are pretty good, not great on common yea

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but if you need something important and get it early on, you can get lucky with eurydice

slim lynx
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do the devs know about second wind stacking with itself btw?

brazen nest
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@spiral badge my man, heart rend perfect twin shot zag bow might be my favorite thing ever

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Holy cow, 1k+ crits

spiral badge
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I am the truth my child ❤️

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I shall always steer you towards fun!

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Isn’t it great 😁

brazen nest
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I used SD

dense remnant
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@brazen nest triple shot is even cooler (personal opinion)

brazen nest
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It is actually interesting, I could be more agressive against mobs without fearing to lose too much health before the bosses

spiral badge
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Not too bad is it!

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It’s different!

brazen nest
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And the bosses died so fast that I didn't need it anyway

spiral badge
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It becomes very useful at high heat when you can’t heal conventionally anymore

brazen nest
#

Granted acorn helps a lot

spiral badge
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Always

brazen nest
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I find triple kinda meh

spiral badge
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Triple is weird

brazen nest
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At least for bosses twin shot is better

spiral badge
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Actually better than double at kissing range

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But wonky outside of that

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I find twin much more consistent

dense remnant
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i love triple

brazen nest
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Also how do I unlocked 🔓 hearts?

spiral badge
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Nothing wrong with it

dense remnant
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but shotgunning with it felt natural from the get-go

spiral badge
brazen nest
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Okay hahhaha

spiral badge
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#1 rule for this game. When in doubt, just keep swimming

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All will be revealed in time

honest wing
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and keep giving nectar

slim lynx
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best part about twin shot imo is that it can oneshot armoured enemies

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normally those guys can't take any extra damage if their armor is broken and twin shot ignores that completely

brazen nest
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Man, neither nemesis nor talos are good choices for RR

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RR

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I can hope for a greater reflex from hermes though

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Let's go for talos

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Also let's go for lasting consequences, fee and jury summons

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The earlier I get away from those 3, the better

willow haven
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wait what

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for R?

willow haven
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feels bad when enemy is at like 2hp shield and i have to waste like 200 damage attack on that

honest wing
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just imagine you got heart rend active, hunter's mark on this armoured fellow, do the big final sweep with your excalibur sword, you see a green text but it's just 54

hearty mulch
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by that point if you have a dash that deals damage (basically every dash except Arti), just dash into them

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Don't have to waste charging a bow shot

willow haven
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ya i know

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still feels bad

hearty elbow
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My favorite is when a bigger enemy is at 50 health or something as Rama and I try to special it a couple of times to kill it. It doesn't die, but my brain buffers to MAKE SURE IT'S DEAD so I start charging a a full power shot to get the last hit.

brazen nest
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Ruthless reflex is so bad

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Jesus Christ

hearty elbow
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Careful, you'll summon the Gilgamesh and Excalibur RR apologists

heady radish
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excalibur Ruthless Reflex good

honest wing
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what?

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excalibur ruthless reflex?

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never tried it damn

heady radish
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rr good on shield too

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you can dash charge bullrush after dash strike for quick movement

hearty mulch
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Ruthless Reflex is good if you can count on Greatest Reflex at some point

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Otherwise it only really sees use on Gilga

slim lynx
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personally i think it's good on fists in general

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i find the double dash to frequently mess up my combo

spiral badge
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Ruthless reflex is only useful to players in the deepest 1% of the skill pool, or for one/two weapons exclusively and is therefore poorly designed/executed. I will take no questions

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If it shortened your dash recharge timer that would be something, but as it stands it’s far too specialized to call it better than the purple option, or even “good” in a general use sense

coral cave
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I mean it's good on gilga

spiral badge
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It is

coral cave
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And arthur

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Kinda

spiral badge
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But having one/two standout use cases is an argument against, not for it

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A perk that exclusively useful on one aspect of one weapon is not a well made perk

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Booooo RR

hearty mulch
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The way I see it, Purple vs Green mirror upgrades is an argument of "niche" vs "consistency"

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Most of the time, anyways.

spiral badge
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I think they did a bad job on a couple of them 😒 there I said it

coral cave
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I really don't get the green thick pockets one

spiral badge
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Call me a hipster but a lot the “option” choices in this game wouldn’t pass balance viability muster in, TF2, say

coral cave
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Like 15% is so miniscule

spiral badge
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It makes a big difference

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But only for early game farming

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Useful for exactly one thing and nothing else, again

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I hate criticizing SGG because they’re probably my favorite dev next to valve on the whole, but some of the perk choices in this game confuse and dismay me

hearty mulch
coral cave
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Criticism is normal and good

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No one is perfect

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There’s so much more they could have done in places

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It makes my heart ache

hearty mulch
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If you want Titan's Blood/Diamonds, just do a 0 heat run, start out with the coin purse, and don't spend any money until styx

spiral badge
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^^^^^

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That’s the run the green money perk exists for

hearty mulch
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You'll easily have more than enough money for it

spiral badge
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Can’t think of a single good reason for it outside of that

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It was good training weights for me early game to never take shops

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But once I had all the blood I needed it turned purple and I’m never turning it back :/

willow haven
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what key do kbm players use for reload? besides the standard R

spiral badge
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A mouse button would be a really good idea if you have one available

hearty mulch
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I’m controller but that’s the first place I’d go

willow haven
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i was literally gonna say inb4 mouse5

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i have my special on a mouse button

coral cave
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I use r

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Never changed it

willow haven
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it feels awkward for some reason

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maybe i'm tripping

coral cave
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Dash is mouse5 for me

willow haven
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damn

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what's space?

coral cave
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Nothing really

willow haven
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wtf

spiral badge
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What’s your m2 and 3 sabita

coral cave
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Only things I changed were dash and summon

willow haven
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cast, double click(software deprecated so i can't change Sadge )

spiral badge
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Ooof

coral cave
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I don't have m3 on anything ever

spiral badge
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Bruh you can’t be down a whole button

coral cave
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Feels way too clunky

willow haven
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yeah it's a double click

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my ring finger rests on it

spiral badge
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You could at least make that your call button

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Or some other less-needed function to clear up keys elsewhere

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And still have it technically at hand

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Rip sabitas oldass mouse lol

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Honestly sabita don’t know how much of a diehard you are but pick up a controller?

willow haven
spiral badge
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Much more ergonomic for me

willow haven
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green m4 m5

brazen nest
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Mirror prophecy is done

willow haven
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red m6 m7 but assigned it to volume

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blue is a double click

willow haven
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i was still garbage

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$40 wired Xbox controller is all this game will ever need, js

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Understandable have a nice day

willow haven
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i have an xbox controller Sadge

brazen nest
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I use the same thing aurash

spiral badge
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Different strokes buddy

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I get it

brazen nest
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For like 10 years now, the same old controller

spiral badge
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Use what’s comfy

willow haven
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my brain can't find a comfy key for reload

spiral badge
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Did you turn auto-aim on for controller?

willow haven
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tried m5, shift same old r

spiral badge
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Dummy question

willow haven
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yeah

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it's always on

spiral badge
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Gotcha

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For sure

brazen nest
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Anyways, I can finally work through the good skills on the mirror

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Also 15 blood

willow haven
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couldn't really tell the difference until i used lucifer

brazen nest
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Eris time I guess

spiral badge
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Congrats Gabe!!

willow haven
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lucifer just locks on

brazen nest
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Or the sniper rail

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I dunno

spiral badge
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Lol if you got the cash go Eris dawg

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Hestia is wonderful in her own right

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But max Eris will be yet another eye-opening experience for you 😉

willow haven
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eris rail speed

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hestia bestia

brazen nest
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Eris is absorb right?

willow haven
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yes

spiral badge
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Yes

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Rocket bomb is your savior if you find it on Eris

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Rocket bomb Eris is top 3 weapons in the game, period

willow haven
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i wish there was alternate key option

spiral badge
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Rip

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It would be nice to be able to double bind attack/reload for hestia

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Maybe I should look into that with a macro

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Or that could even be an easy mod probably

willow haven
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reloading on controller was hard by default too lol

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Make it into a hestia firing switch

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Trick with controller is to bind reload to a trigger or shoulder button

willow haven
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i might have just the thing

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Once I bound mine to L2 my rail life got a lot easier

willow haven
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one sec lemme make

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Oh boy

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Thank you in advance!

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Yeah controller default binds suck. Reload goes on a trigger, call goes on a face button, codex goes wherever

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I do think controller is a little more natural for these games but they goofed up the default binds for this one something fierce. Who ever thought reload on R3 was remotely a good idea lol

robust anchor
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i bound it to right bumper

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Anything is better than where they set it for default. Have no idea how that bind set made it out of playtesting

brazen nest
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Besides reload I like the default controls

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Eh, that’s fair. The reload bind is outrageously bad though lol. Don’t know how they though a button that important was good there

willow haven
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i still don't understand why controller is recommended

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It’s an ergonomic thing

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I only really touch m/kb for shooters

outer cave
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What do you have reload bound to on kbm

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Controller is Good Enough, it has a constant set of inputs across any game, and it doesn’t make my hands hurt nearly as bad

willow haven
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the only thing i like about controller are the vibrations

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Also the movement with a stick is just more fluid period if we want to get down to brass tacks

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Movement in general with a stick

willow haven
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wasd masterrace

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There’s a reason you’d never pick up a keyboard to play a racing game, for instance

willow haven
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ew

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i tried controller with a racing game

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never going back

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Ergonomics and fluidity of controls have their place

brazen nest
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The way I play it strains my wrist a bit

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Me too

willow haven
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what

brazen nest
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A whole lot of thumb action

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Even controller makes it better for me

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Still hurts after long hours

willow haven
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how are you guys playing

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this isn't dota pepeGa

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Dash strike being basically one input is really good

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This is a pretty high APM game lol

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I go controller

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For reference my other game of choice is smash

brazen nest
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But I press a LOT of buttons

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A fighting game makes my hands hurt less than this one

willow haven
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i mean compared to dota/league

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Let that say what it will

brazen nest
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Lol aurash, good luck with those thumbs

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In fairness I play Ganon in smash

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So my thumbs have a relatively easy time there

brazen nest
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Oh ok

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I could never pikachu

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ever

brazen nest
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It's not marth or melee fox

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Yeah I’m Ganon/bowser. Team heavy bois/old man thumbs

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I used to play with ike

dense remnant
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using my thumbs to play a fighting game? yikes

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im mostly joking

brazen nest
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But it has been some years now

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Ah, btw achilles spear with crush shot

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Pretty fun

outer cave
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Kbm is better for shooters and games where you need precision

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it would be pretty good in Hades, except I hate how bad WASD is in this game

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entirely my personal opinion

brazen nest
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I didn't even bother trying kbm

dense remnant
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u get 8 directions, that's it

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no blending between them, nothing

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it makes controlling Zagreus feel rather stiff

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Honestly @willow haven if you want a meme suggestion holding a controller in your left hand to work the stick and keeping your right hand on the mouse is not unheard of in this game lol

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it's not? I thought, while it can take both inputs at the same time, it lags a bit

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cause it's "switching" between them with every input from each device

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Think I’m gonna end up buying myself a Fight Stick for roguelikes and reporting back

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I think there’s really something to it

dense remnant
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i have an arcade stick, haven't felt the need to use it for this game

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I like it because i think it could be even better than a controller on my hands

dense remnant
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dashing would take a while to get used to, is why i haven't even bothered

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And you would lose nothing in input viability, thinking about it. Let autoaim do the work for you, just like on controller

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I'm guessing hazard bomb is not a good choice with eris?

willow haven
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ya'll got any fun gun builds?

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hazard bomb good

robust anchor
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yes i do

brazen nest
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With eris?

robust anchor
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hazard bomb eris 😎

willow haven
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yes

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Not trolling?

willow haven
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you don't have to worry about missing it

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fr lmao

robust anchor
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if you dash in at the perfect frame you can get buff without harm 😎

brazen nest
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Lol

robust anchor
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totally easy and not hard 😎

willow haven
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hazard bomb eris

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I may go for piercing fire then

willow haven
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done

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next

brazen nest
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Both are fated choices anyway

willow haven
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yo hazard bomb is actually good

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it only does 1% damage to you

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Hazard bomb Eris isn’t bad because it damages you

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It’s bad because the blast stunlocks you

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If it didn’t Eris hazard bomb would actually be an s-tier 🧠 🧠 🧠 play

willow haven
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wait it does?

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I’ve tried 😭

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was i on autopilot or did i not notice it

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It disrupts you

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Not good

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I’m p. Sure it does

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Can’t check right now though

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It might not be a lot, but any movement mitigation is unacceptable in my mind, even if the damage is still a good trade

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Nothing is ever a more powerful stat across all roguelikes than your movement itself, IMO

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Your chief offensive and defensive tool

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That’s the Smash and Gungeon in me talking though

nocturne raven
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Having played Gungeon a good bit helped me tremendously with learning this game