and got like the best rng on those possible
#h1-builds-and-combat
dusky drum
id say special, since you essentially multiply that bonus by 5 cuz stacks
but it all depends on the current scale
if ares goes up by like at least 30 id say ares might be more worth it
do you have curse of nausea??
tranquil falcon
i have 170 health and no DDs going into em4
misty yoke
do you have curse of nausea??
no, not yet
tranquil falcon
best rng ever until styx
honest wing
what weapon
misty yoke
maybe later
tranquil falcon
what weapon
demeter fists
honest wing
nice
tranquil falcon
it is working well aside from how i have not gotten patroclus, no last stand from athena, and no nourished soul
em 4
middle management
td 2
damage control 1
0 dds em4 fists
😳
honest wing
wait explosive upper you mean?
dusky drum
td 2 😓
tranquil falcon
yes
dusky drum
i already dont like td1
honest wing
ah
tranquil falcon
100% damage and explode
eh
td2 isn't bad
like at all
i've never had it be a problem
honest wing
td1 is like irrelevant free heat
dusky drum
i somehow always end tarturus with like 3 minutes left and it scares me
honest wing
td2 is like if your build is hella slow it wont work out that well
tranquil falcon
like if a run is going to take that long then there's no way i'm making it past em4
honest wing
also if you reach the final boss before the timer ends, and the timer ends while you're fighting the boss, it doesn't end you?
honest wing
ah
keen sage
How exactly does Rush Delivery calculate the damage bonus? If the first tier is 50% and I have +20% move speed, does that equal +50% of 20% for a total of +10% damage?
tranquil falcon
yea
dusky drum
How exactly does Rush Delivery calculate the damage bonus? If the first tier is ...
bouta do plume zag sword
keen sage
and is it all move speed bonuses, like zagreus aspect on the sword?
tranquil falcon
i'm pretty sure yeah
by the way the explosion triggers multiple times with demeter explosive upper
obsidian kite
does rush delivery work with hyper sprint?
tranquil falcon
yes
obsidian kite
oh sweet
hearty mulch
Which is the best Flare for Beowulf or Hera builds?
hearty mulch
crush for hera
Tbh I should've seen that coming. Literally fixes Crush Shot's single biggest problem.
heady radish
ye you could do that
tranquil falcon
does marked count for priv status
opal lodge
usually arty attack aphro special is preferred
it does but it disappears after you proc the mark
gusty rapids
yeah marked does count, but is a tad unreliable
tranquil falcon
i say aphro attack because since the sword already has passive crit the larger percent from aphro would be better than arty in a lot of ways
but yeah the order is weird
gusty rapids
yes i see what u mean, but arty just scales much better
tranquil falcon
since normally its special first
tranquil falcon
should my starting boon be arty or aphro?
gusty rapids
arty
usually you go arty attack then slap aphro on special or dash
and go for HR
from what ive heard from better nem players than i, aphro dash is great unless u get double edge, in which case you should be going artemis dash
abstract raven
I play controller and I recall trying lv1 Lucifer once and absolutely hating it, would it get better at higher levels?
tranquil falcon
would dash or attack be better from chaos?
gusty rapids
dash strike
you should always be dash striking anyways, and the dash strike bonuses are higher than attack bonuses
opal lodge
dash backstab and first strike all are usually higher
since attack applies to, well, all attacks
tranquil falcon
what would be a good hammer besides double strike
opal lodge
hoarding is the fourth best
gusty rapids
lol
opal lodge
but yeah nothing after that matters
gusty rapids
the fact that thats true kinda shows how bad sword hammers are
opal lodge
world splitter double nova is the true chad hammer combo
hearty elbow
the fact that thats true kinda shows how bad sword hammers are
It used to be much worse. Piercing Wave and Breaching Slash did not always apply to dash strikes (+hoarding fwiw)
opal lodge
only dedge, pwave, breaching, and hoarding apply to dash strikes now
gusty rapids
christ
opal lodge
something about the world splitter double nova rhythm is very satisfying
even if its not that good
tranquil falcon
big number but two
opal lodge
dedge piercing is the better combo tbh
hoarding is pretty mediocre
it adds damage after crit im pretty sure
so its almost no extra damage
tranquil falcon
yeah
gusty rapids
yeah hoarding does something, which is more than every other sword hammer below it
but the something it does is extremely little
opal lodge
^
tranquil falcon
i only said that because double edge is like the only thing that hoarding scales with
opal lodge
it doesnt outright ruin your run like flurry/cursed/world splitter/dash nova
but its not run defining like dedge
it just kind of takes up a hammer slot
you pick it because it isnt bad
hearty elbow
You pick it to unlock the 2nd room option in the rest of Elysium
tranquil falcon
yeah
you pick it to pray that the anvil doesn't hit dedge
how good is arthur's hammer?
what do i take
dash nova, double nova, cruel thrust
gusty rapids
for nemesis?
tranquil falcon
yea
dusky drum
cruel thrust sounds like a trip
gusty rapids
the other two ruin your build
cruel thrust does nothing
well im not entirely sure if double nova ruins it but it can easily mess up timings
tranquil falcon
how?
dusky drum
you already have crit so its a bit unecessary and you almost never get to your last hit for the basic combo
hearty elbow
It doesn't push stuff back anymore
spiral badge
I dont think cruel thrust is bad with nemesis
hearty elbow
I think the hammer is very aptly named
spiral badge
It’s not ideal but it synergizes well enough with the base crit chance
It’s in the class of “bad but not offensive” sword hammers, which makes it B-tier or above by default lol
gusty rapids
the thing w cruel thrust is that ideally you never actually reach the thrust
the sword base combo is p clunky, dash striking all the time is ideal
slim lynx
worst part about that failed beo run was that i got 4 sacked so it woulda been an easy pb if not
dense remnant
u can dash cancel into it, it's not that clunky
slim lynx
dense remnant
dash-canceling into thrust is better than dash-striking
spiral badge
sometimes I like intentionally playing sword bad just to give my hands a break from all the dash attack spamming lol
gusty rapids
dash canceling into thrust? what do u mean
dense remnant
u do the the combo and between the 2nd and the third swing u dash
he still dashes forward and does thurst, not dash-strike
in whatever direction u chose
gusty rapids
well you still have to do the first two swings for the combo to do that right? thats still pretty clunky imo
dash string w the sword is much smoother
also the thrust knocks enemies back a lot ngl
dense remnant
on Nemesis?
gusty rapids
yeah on nem
dense remnant
u should be dash-canceling ur special, then canceling the special with an attack
2nd attack is slow, i admit, but when u cancel those together u end up getting to thrust relatively fast
opal lodge
well ideally you just do dash strikes
frail schooner
sack rng is stupid and should be removed
gusty rapids
yeah which leads to a dash strike
dash cancellling your special into an attack leads to a dash strike
which is ideal
proven osprey
Worked for my 40
mighty ermine
sack rng is stupid and should be removed
what do you mean we all love sack rng
almost as much as AP2
gusty rapids
smile
heady radish
smile
proven osprey
smile
gusty rapids
u know what worked for my nemesis 40 heat
using croven binds
i still dont know how i did that
gusty rapids
indeed
proven osprey
Stunning
mighty ermine
we need a controller cam for croven bind runs
gusty rapids
thats the most impressive thing ive done imo
obsidian kite
darn, I was trying to get Merciful End with Zeus shield but I got Hunting Blades instead
proven osprey
Be careful with your core boons while hunting for duos, especially ME
obsidian kite
yeah I still ended up beating EM4, but I had a pretty buffed up Ares special, wanted to see how much damage it would do with Merciful End
this time I remembered I could block attacks with the shield lol
dense remnant
@gusty rapids im definitely not getting a dash-attack after I dash-cancel my special
opal lodge
have you tried gaming better
gusty rapids
^bully
dense remnant
when u say dash-cancel what do u mean exactly?
opal lodge
special > dash > strike
usually the dash and strike you input at the same time
so you get a dash strike
heady radish
you dash out of special as soon as you make contact with the ground
opal lodge
should be clips of it in any sword video on src
gusty rapids
yeah literally any nemesis video on src should show it
i always input dash and attack at the same time myself
i think you can technically do dash then attack immediately after to get a bit more range on your dash strike
but its much easier to do at the same time imo
heady radish
since i have played high heat nemesis. i have had to get good at doing the late attack
gusty rapids
now that i have a controller i should go back to 45 nemesis
dense remnant
weird, i can't get it to come out
gusty rapids
i ragequit from high heat after trying 45 nem on croven binds
opal lodge
high heat nem ive adjusted to sometimes not specialing
and sometimes only single dash striking
heady radish
yea i'm still working on those adjustments
opal lodge
to have another left over to empty dash
heady radish
cuz you are right
gusty rapids
yeah specialling becomes much more dangerous at high heat
gotta learn the right times to special and not special
dusky drum
whats a good 40 heat setup?? im too scared to mess with things
ive done 32
and i just wanna do 40 with bow :3
dense remnant
bow is life
dusky drum
yea, im probably gonna do chiron or rama
probably chiron
damn im dumb, i asked for heat in the builds chat :/
my b
onyx flume
aspect of ||arthur|| with artemis attack boon is insane
you can one hit almost everything
thorny beacon
Which weapon is best to invest in for blood early game?
heady radish
your favorite one
dusky drum
yea tbh, but really posiedon is good, achilles, chaos(it takes investment tho), any bow but chiron takes time, both fists are fine but take time, and both rails take time
gusty rapids
if you want a good aspect for relatively low titans blood, zeus shield is pretty good at low levels
zeus special on zeus shield still works very well
hera is also not bad at low levels
dusky drum
your favorite one
we be looking for an objective answer tho
dusky drum
and how do you know without just throwing blood everywhere and trying things out
thorny beacon
Blood is generally beat 1st boss with each weapon right?
heady radish
optimization isn't important
thorny beacon
I can't go past Elysium yet
heady radish
for that point in the game
dusky drum
yep, first and last
mighty ermine
there is no objective answer for best weapon to invest in early on lol
dusky drum
you get 2 a run
gusty rapids
there is no "best" aspect, there are ones that are relatively good at lower levels but if you are just looking to enjoy the game then what tyler said is basically correct
play with what u want, invest in what u want
mighty ermine
they all work and you will enjoy some more than others
dusky drum
but some require less investment to try out than others
thorny beacon
I just felt I had more trouble w the railgun but know if it was jacked somehow I could manage it
mighty ermine
but some require less investment to try out than others
this is true, yeah
thorny beacon
Definitely would be an asset if Divine Dash was always implemented.
mighty ermine
some aspects basically do nothing until you max or nearly max them
gusty rapids
yeah
thorny beacon
I'm versatile with sword, spear & fists
Bow is cool n all but gets me hurt more often
dusky drum
i mean for spear if you like shmoovin then id say achilles
mighty ermine
i'd recommend just reading about the aspect perks and seeing which ones speak to you or really grab you
dusky drum
and if you just want big spear go with hades
dusky drum
achilles could be fun for you then
since you literally dash to the spear after throwing
and you get a damage buff for the next 4 things you do
so its really good and cheap
mighty ermine
hades spear incorporates some fun dash spin tech schmovement though
opal lodge
i usually recommend cast weapons because they play so differently
gusty rapids
cast weapons are pretty fun
since all the casts are very different, you get like 8 different playstyles
with 1 weapon
heady radish
beo good
dusky drum
i just dont like shield so i dont use it much
i also dont have it actually
ive used it on an alt account tho
thorny beacon
As for bow, Chiron seems interesting
dusky drum
chiron works with literally every god
thorny beacon
Not a fan of the spreadshot
dusky drum
but it does take more time to get really good
thorny beacon
So it'll fix that
dusky drum
and you might struggle more in crowded rooms
dusky drum
nice
chiron does take investment tho, it ends at 8 so it gets really powerful
and i think achilles ends at 150% buff after dashing to it
both very good
but have fun and experiment, thats part of why i love roguelikes
you can play literally however the hell you want
thorny beacon
Damn Chiron feels good for dash
First run w/ Get Deadly Flourish for 30% extra special w 20% crit
pffft
dusky drum
yeaaa arti is a very good god for it
you can also do dire misfortune with ares, dio is good since you prock it so fast, ||demeter(idk if youre there yet)|| has some fun stuff
like i said literally any god works
besides zeus for some reason
like the damage just doesnt keep going
and idk why
but a lot of very fun builds
stable sigil
Tonight I'm gonna do 6 runs back to back based on my fastest so far with each aspect
thorny beacon
Aw yiss, Divine Dash
stable sigil
Love me some divine dashery
thorny beacon
oof
muted canopy
I got so many Cast boons on my last run it just made my cast so good
I got Artemis cast, Flurry Cast, Mirage Shot, and legendary Greater Recall plus Stygius aspect of Poseidon
static ibex
Chiron owns, Aphrodite attack + Artemis/Dionysus special
stiff igloo
how to get the fists in my new file
jolly niche
what're the strats for a boonless run?
dusky drum
sysiphus trinket and aspects that give damage buffs i think like hades spear or smth
not too sure tho but thats what i think
manic willow
What are recommended gods to get boons from for bow build (Chiron aspect)
stiff igloo
either demeter wich i recoomend
or aphrodite but to make aphrodite fun you need to get her legendary which you might get unluchy
dusky drum
but heart rend(arti special aphro attack) is good
dire misfourtune is great
and pair that with either merciful end or curse of longing
stiff igloo
or artemis
dusky drum
dio can work well if you get curse of nasuea or low tolerance
posiedon works well actually
just focus on him and maybe get a second god for ps to prock
but yea chiron works with just about anything
tidal scaffold
Just won the game, feelin good
dusky drum
nice
manic willow
Thanks guys
dusky drum
is that first win or??
manic willow
Good job there!
stiff igloo
how to unlock fists in my new file i already beat the game
hearty mulch
how to unlock fists in my new file i already beat the game
Unlock the bow, shield and spear. The fists will show up the run afterwards.
stiff igloo
oh i didnt unlock the shield becasue i knew its not good early on
turbid needle
Does perfect shot stack with power shot
My bad. Does perfect shot stack with explosive shot
dusky drum
yea, as long as you get the power shot off it should stack
but with explosive its a bit longer to
tidal scaffold
oh i didnt unlock the shield becasue i knew its not good early on
...excuse me?
The shield is like the easy mode for beginners XD
dusky drum
yea blocking is crazy
tidal scaffold
Not just that, but being able to stack effects on multiple enemies at once smh
Hangover, thunderbolt doom(especially doom)
Any of them just give you a straight pass through tartarus and asphodel if you have played for some hours
dusky drum
yea and if you get priviedgeed status on mirror
oh yea thats crazy good once you get used to it
just take aphro cast or smth
and you kill
hearty mulch
My first playthrough of Hades was one with Dionysus as the first boon
I died to the B O M B B R O T H E R S in Tartarus
dusky drum
isnt that impossible since athena is the scripted first god??
tidal scaffold
If you want to get used to constant hitting in range and melee, just use shield with explosive return
dusky drum
I died to the B O M B B R O T H E R S in Tartarus
yea thats where a lot of people die on their first few runs
hearty mulch
isnt that impossible since athena is the scripted first god??
Nah. I swear I got Dio first.
dusky drum
Nah. I *swear* I got Dio first.
huh, weird
tidal scaffold
I died on my first run cause i set my controls to ONLY KEYBOARD XD
dusky drum
lol, ibe played with keyboard once and i hated it
opal lodge
nah
dusky drum
and it was on a school desktop
tidal scaffold
Then changed to asdw, F for casts and Q for Calls, left click attack, right click special, easy as that
Im more of a spam click player
stiff igloo
The shield is like the easy mode for beginners XD
well its my second file i completed the game 50 times in my other file i don't need easy mode
hearty mulch
...Then I dunno what happened
spiral badge
Yeah poke something is trippy there
I do fresh file runs a good bit for funsies. Athena is always first
hearty mulch
I'll look in records to find if I took an Athena boon but I swear Dio was the first I got
tidal scaffold
Maybe yoy remembered your second run?
hearty mulch
Nah
spiral badge
You likely are lol
Because I think dio is scripted for the 2nd iirc
That I’d have to check though. I know zeus is
tidal scaffold
Yeah zeus is second
spiral badge
But Athena is always the very first boon the game should offer you. She’s the one who canonically kicks the whole plot into motion, between her and Nyx
tidal scaffold
"Lol, wdym you cant beat it, just get divine dash"
opal lodge
zeus is the first boon in second run
your first run god pool is always arty/ares/athena/dio
spiral badge
Isnt dio stitched somewhere in the 2nd run too?
opal lodge
you will not be offered the other 4
tidal scaffold
Funny thing tho, i hardly get Ares first boon
But when i did, that was when i won my first run
An hour ago
spiral badge
Congrats!
tidal scaffold
Ye
Sadly didnt look at the stats
It was slow anyways, i was watching a movie while playing
But hades hardly stood a chance
Just used Doom chaos shield special spam
lime lynx
Sorry if this is dumb, I am playing the game after a somewhat long break. I cleared at 20 heat and now the bounties messages says 'deplete heat gauge for remaining bounties', what does this mean? Also can I just try to clear with 32 heat now instead of increasing heat 1 point per run?
opal lodge
you can
lime lynx
Oh cool, So just no more bounties?
tidal scaffold
Well good night guys
opal lodge
you should get 21 total rewards from each weapon as long as youre clearing the minimum required heat
cunning urchin
Just means your Heat is higher than it needs to be to get more bounties for the weapon.
When there are no more bounties, it will say there are no more bounties.
lime lynx
It does say 'Expect no bounties beyond this'
I only play the gloves and I probably did clear 20 or 21 heat with it
hearty mulch
Alright, looked up my first run
Apparently Athena was my first boon (Divine Strike)
But I also got Drunken Flourish
...Those were my only two boons
stable sigil
Divine dash doesn't let you get it anymore
proven osprey
The requirements are Curse of agony/Divine flourish or the opposite. On most aspects you'll need divine dash to make it work well. It is quite a highroll duo to go for.
cunning urchin
Pretty sure Legendary and Duo Boons all have the same odds. @amber jackal might know details if that's not the case.
stable sigil
Sometimes it justs feels like luck hates you
Like when you qualify for two duo boons from the same god and you get the wrong one three times in a row
Or when you're trying to do a zeus run and the game gives you three chances for an artemis boon for some damn reason
Back to back to back
cunning urchin
Take the wrong Duo Boon the first time, then, to improve your odds on the next boon.
spiral badge
Does selling duos reintroduce them to the pool Nya?
cunning urchin
Yes.
proven osprey
of course
spiral badge
Damn
proven osprey
I've been going stonks with calculated risks sometimes
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This post brought to you by the Lightning Rod, Again??? Gang
spiral badge
Oh it’s great
It also likes to show up instead of virtually every duo I’m actively hunting for some reason lol
I usually take it just to get it out of the pool
cunning urchin
I mean it shows up only if you take the requirements for it.
proven osprey
If you really want one duo, just get the requirement for it only
Otherwise you'll get the other one 2 times in a row, guaranteed
obsidian kite
lol I was just about to ask about lightning rod
I just got it for the prophecy real late in Styx and it barely did anything vs Hades
how do you actually make it good?
dusky drum
just dont pick up the cast and make sure you can corral the enemies
i ,like to take it with ravenous will so i get the damage buff and the rods procking
obsidian kite
little hard to corral Hades
I imagine it would've been more useful in Elysium if I got it earlier
dusky drum
but yea trying to use lightning rods to me makes you have to play more passivley
obsidian kite
seems like you'd definitely want High Voltage and Double Strike which I didn't have
I only had jolt
spiral badge
Lightning rod’s strengths are damage and area. 70 is huge, even though the fire rate is slower than scint feast I think
The range though, lightning rod’s firing range from a single stone is massive
With strategic placement of three casts stones you can about cover the whole inner hades fight ring in lightning AOE
yes you’re not picking up and re-firing your casts, but on the bright side they’re still doing DPS work for you passively as you sit there, also letting you focus on other things
It’s the lazy mans scint feast
Also as far as Hades himself you don’t really need to “Corral” him as much as lead him where you want him to go. Hades will always chase you, which means the fight will always happen where you choose it to. If you never leave the bottom right corner of the map the entire fight, you’ll spend the whole fight trying to kill him in that corner. Less corralling, more kiting boss aggro
dusk cairn
Do the special's boons affect the extra shields in the chaos aspect?
dusk cairn
And does rupture still occour on foes that cant be knocked back?
drifting robin
yes
obsidian kite
EM4 sneaks are the worst
especially when there are multiple
I actually find you can kinda ignore Doomstones for the most part, same with skull-crushers
and if you have something like draining cutter, Doomstones make the fight free
rare kindle
I guess acorn goes down in use because you might get hit by doomstone lasers
spiral badge
Acorn utility goes down drastically for EM4 I think
All it takes is one doom laser or butterfly to ruin your time
I rolled 2 butterflies on my last EM4 😭
thorny beacon
Mitigating back I really find the Shield to be really adequate
spiral badge
Base shield is the least complicated weapon in the game to pick up and play well
I think that’s a fair statement. I think shield in general is really powerful both in its simplicity and in actual power. I’m not sure what to make of that statement
thorny beacon
I feel it'll really shine in Elysium w the various warriors & even boss time
The shield toss is very generous as well if you get early boons for it
spiral badge
I don’t want to say shield “carries” new players because that’s wrong, you still have to beat the game
But shield is definitely the most immediately obvious weapon mechanics-wise imo
Requires 0 braincells to operate and even the base shield is a reliable facemashing companion
Without having all the extra tech going on that defines good sword play
or bow play for that matter
brazen nest
Finally persephone ||came back down||
spiral badge
Awwwwww
odd rock
i'm seeing some discussion of the acorn
i've been playing with patroclus' spear
any reason you would choose acorn over the patroclus one? seems like you get more invulnerability from it
and its convenient against poison + lasers
flat garden
it can last an entire fight if youre good enough at dodging
the spearpoint only gives you the invulnerability after being hit
that's only if that hit doesnt immediately kill you
i personally prefer the acorn because im bad at bossfights
spiral badge
Spear has its place as an acorn counterpart for Styx itself
That’s more its roll
Spear isn’t worth a ton against hades but more than pulls its own weight against the poison in Styx, for instance
flat garden
i find it funny that hades can still inflict boiling blood on you with acorn on
dusky drum
i just take tooth tbh
dusky drum
i find it funny that hades can still inflict boiling blood on you with acorn on
yea that scared me when it happened
spiral badge
I take spear when I’m down on my luck and need to get through Styx but I’m still not scared of no dad ghost
Which happens from time to time. Most times I just stick with Mom Pom and focus on power tbh
dusky drum
hehe mom pom great, i generally take it in eleysium and keep it through styx
dusky drum
does the pom work with the lil styx chambers?
yep
plume and butterfly dont tho
just pom
flat garden
ah, thats a bit more powerful than i thought
i thought it'd be a waste so i never take it through styx
dusky drum
yea its good
odd rock
okay interesting, thanks
dusky drum
i see why plume and butterfly dont work the same but still
flat garden
they should make plume work in the lil styx chambers but have the time be 1 second lmao
odd rock
yeah so far ive been going [relevant god for weapon] -> athena if dash would be a big benefit/pom if not -> pom -> spearpoint
spiral badge
Yeah mom Pom stands above the rest of the “perma” keepsakes in that it gets more powerful in Styx, not less
That’s my favorite feature of it
Mom Pom kicks into high gear right when you need it most
spiral badge
yeah so far ive been going [relevant god for weapon] -> athena if dash would be ...
Trust the heart of the cards and leave mom Pom on a whole run. Turn yourself into a juiced-up hulk 😈
dusky drum
yea by those 76 chambers you gonna be RIPPED
jovial fulcrum
ME Chiron is an arthritis simulator, jfc
I probably set it up poorly but oh well, I'll learn
hopefully
dusky drum
what was the build??
brazen nest
Finally I got the pom
spiral badge
Lol
brazen nest
Also chiron at lvl3 will start to be great
jovial fulcrum
I just ended up in ME because I got both of them in Tartarus, so I had ME halfway through Asphodel
spiral badge
But it’s a hell of an answer to the appropriate questions
Well, hard to complain when it falls in your lap
brazen nest
Also, the run where hades simply "nah, go on, I'm good" when your build isn't great and you lost a defiance was clutch
jovial fulcrum
would've been a lot less button clicky
spiral badge
doom special chiron is actually good lol
spiral badge
It’s one of the only times that Ares T2 stacking boon is worth its weight
brazen nest
But chiron does take it's toll on fingers
spiral badge
usually Impending doom is the only one you care about
brazen nest
Impeding doom is double dmg for 0.5 sec proc right?
jovial fulcrum
yeah, I thought about for like ten seconds after playing with Doom Attack/ Divine Special and realized itd be way better the other way around
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increased %, but yes
That sounds like its a buff and a nerf gabe, but it’s actually 2 buffs
Which is why impending doom is great
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Also, early rare crop with pom blossom is kinda op?
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I need to get used to using PS
jovial fulcrum
Impending only seems really good with ME, otherwise the delay can be rough I've found
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you really, really do
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I always forget to level it and use the other skill
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The only god who just does not work with PS is artemis
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Also doom on talos atk = good
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And she is S tier so there’s every reason not to touch it for her stuff
But for every other god PS is either great or serviceable
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It's just that the counterpart is easier to use
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I need to reset my mirror, actually, I spent a lot on crappy skills
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Every god but artemis has a PS curse worth its salt
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Cthonic vitality I see you
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Ares is ironically the worst of that lot lol
But impending doom solves that
some gods just have PS curses off the bat, and some gods have it as a T2
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Poisedon pushback is a curse?
jovial fulcrum
no hit tiny vermin lets gooooo
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Oh
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mmhmmmm
Everyone
Everyone Except Artemis
Has either a good T2 curse, or an excellent T1 curse
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Tomorrow I'll look at that properly
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PS is surprisingly easy to get online and keep online
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I'll buy a key to reset the mirror and spend it on the right skills
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Do so, good decision
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Maybe spending 40 levels in rarity wasn't that good lol
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If you focus on activating PS (which you should) it should be permanently online for you midway through asphodel, at the latest
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Besides some skills I still need to escape with
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With any reasonable luck
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I'll keep the good ones
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I am not thrilled to not use defiance in a run
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Leave that one green and never change it unless you want to farm
Oh no, keep your DDs
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oh?
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I have plenty darkness to spare
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SD isnt bad
It’s different, but you should learn it. It will be useful to you again much later
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I need to escape once with SD and 90% of my deaths come from hades
I usually die twice to him
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Cross your fingers for patroclus and check every Charon well when running SD
Know how you can buy back a DD?
SD has a version that increases the healing, and it’s always available.
Patroclus’ upgraded version in particular is busted
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Unless you get sack RNG you should make hades with I think? 90% regen on your SD
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Which is the counterpart of the rarity skill? I forgot
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Which means you basically get the same health to play with as 3 DDs
Dark Foresight
That’s the one you want
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Also ruthless reflex feels just like a worse greater reflex
I didn't understand what that does
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It sways RNG’s hand to giving you more boon rooms, and less darkness etc rooms
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OH
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Which in turn makes your runs more powerful by default
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I READ IT THE OPPOSITE WAY
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Turning it off gives you more farming though
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I'm so stupid
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Mmhmmm, you’re welcome
Turn that green and leave it there for power
Purple for more farming
But mostly green
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Tbh the farming side of that switch is weak
To truly farm darkness/gems you should farm bosses you’ve already cleared
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Yes
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Just repeat heat levels. That’s the fastest method by far
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150+ darkness
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But the switch does do something for sure
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Per boss
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Yeah at least
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Can you turn keys you find on a run into extra rolls yet?
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Also ruthless reflex feels just like a worse greater reflex
Some of the green perks in this game are For Gud Players Only, and even then some of them are still outright worse and I disagree with SGG’s take on some of their balancing decisions
Just know you’re not alone
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The first one too feels kinda crappy
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Ruthless is one of those, and a good example. Extremely good and busted in an extremely narrow bandwidth of play, useless everywhere else
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The bloodstone one also is ugh
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The first one too feels kinda crappy
First one, exact same story. Just wait until you meet Lady Hestia
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Ah, the sniper rail gun?
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Busted for one thing, useless for almost everything else
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Heh
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Yes
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It will be next project
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And then you learn that at least that mirror perk is good for one thing
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After chiron and talos
hearty mulch
The bloodstone one also is ugh
I mean, in certain situations like Hera Bow it isn't exactly all too bad
Stygian Soul is bad everywhere else tho
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The bloodstone one also is ugh
Yeah the bloodstone one is actually preference
The green one has a much higher capability cap
That’s a very real, very valid argument
But the purple one is much more consistent
I honestly go back and forth depending on build
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I only used stygian for the prophecies
hearty mulch
Like, if you're going for a Cast-based build, it's a question of what weapon you are going for
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That one and the epic/duo rarity perks are the two that are truly player preference
hearty mulch
Poseidon Sword and Beowulf Shield are better with Infernal Soul
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Lots of top strimmers and runners like the green perk just because thats how they play
I go back and forth myself
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Like what the hell does hera do
hearty mulch
Load casts into bow shots
rare kindle
green perk is better for crystal meme
rare kindle
with glacial glare you can have like 8 beams at a time
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Hera bores me though, I will say
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Turns Aphrodite Cast from useless to really really good
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It’s great, it’s effective, but yawn
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Turns Aphrodite Cast from useless to really really good
Talos Fists Have Entered the Chat
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I'm getting that feeling with bows in general
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no no
Only hera is boring
The others have something that at least make them unique or silly
But hera is just base bow + cast ability
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It's just that talos and nemesis are so ball to the walls
hearty mulch
Talos is good
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Just you wait until your first zag bow run blessed gabe
hearty mulch
But I like Gilgamesh
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When you see the light just as I did
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🙃
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Zag is plus crit right?
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I kinda want an arty build with that
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Tasty
jovial fulcrum
YO WHAT.
til you can just hug dad to avoid the laser beam phase
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With power shot hammet
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But if you find 2 of the right ones, brother hang on
There’s so many right choices with bow hammers gabe
That’s what’s fun about zag bow
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I kinda want 5 blood now
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Why did I spend 3 on chiron now ugh
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It will also be good Bow Form training for you
Bow is like Sword, takes a lil techskill to play correctly
But bow’s I think is easier
And very rewarding
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Oh well, I guess I just need to destroy things with shield or something
I'm kinda good with bow
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what a terrible fate for you
Well then you need no teaching
Spend that 5 blood and have a ball
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At least the power shot timing is pretty ingrained already
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That + dash attacking and never regular attacking is it really
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I'm not that good with sniper shot tho
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That’s bow play, that’s the book
Sniper shot sucks never take it
Only bad bow hammer
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Ye, dash strike >
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They made that one bad as a joke
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Artemis atk/dash with demeter aid
Maybe aphro special or poseidon
Something like that
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Yeah absolutely
You could rock posiedon dash with your artemis and set up for mirage shot
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Aphro for heart rend
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What does mirage shot do again?
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2x casts
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Ah ye
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2nd one does 30% base damage
But that’s not the point
The secret is to take Artemis cast
Because 30% base damage is still 100% additional chance for Marked Target to proc
😉
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I feel like the only weakness to that is shield shades
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True
With zag bow you switch gears quickly between dashing in-place ish to rapid fire and dashing to relocate yourself to begin firing again
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Well nothing that a greater reflex or hyper sprint can't help
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Also baiting/punishing works well with shield dudes
If one is giving you trouble try baiting their melee. Dash through and light them up from behind while they spin
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Ah, one thing though, queen persephone looks neeeeat
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Her outfit
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The keepsake too hah
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Yeah. Mama ❤️❤️
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I still need to use some tho, chaos, demeter, hermes, spear, far atk ring
And some other I can't remember
Gotta get that blood
Then it will be pom all day long
Though acorn saves my bumbum a lot
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Yup. Save your obols, always be ready for that one in Styx!
Nothing wrong with acorn at all
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Anyway, nice chat, got to get some sleep now, this game is crazy addictive
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Night night
jovial fulcrum
lmao
coral cave
spicy
keen mesa
I got my attack going too, just in case
and just got 555 gold from Charon since I have a third chaos boon for gold 😉
jovial fulcrum
i still haven't had a good opportunity to fight charon
the boss encounter only seems to spawn in tartarus for me :pepehands:
rare kindle
Then fight him in Tartarus
honest wing
with what 2 boons total?
rare kindle
that's enough to fight him, you just need to get good at dodging
echo veldt
does sure footing work for all the stuff in styx?
rare kindle
idk if it works on poison but it should work on the guillotine traps
echo veldt
hmm, even just for the guillotine and spike stuff it should be worth it i guess
might help me go through all the encounters instead of just limping to the end
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Ugh, why does Zeus always gotta blue ball me.
Whenever I need his boons, he doesn't show up for two biomes
:/
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cuz he always leaves the parent of his new child
its just like the myths
he's there once and then never again to help you support the demi-god
jovial fulcrum
I'll be fine, but because he just wouldnt show up for so long I missed out on Cold Fusion in my ebik sea storm build
:pepehands:
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is there a cooldown on quick recovery? i can choose between rare quick recovery and legendary greater recall for 0sec cast return
don't think i've ever gotten greater recall before
rare kindle
how much does your build use casts?
echo veldt
not too much atm, also just bad at spamming it cos haven't played in a while
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and i run hera quite often
echo veldt
i'll just get it to see what it's like, i've had quick recovery lots of times
jovial fulcrum
I get it like every other hera run.
echo veldt
never legendary greater recall
dusky drum
I get it like every other hera run.
lucky bastard
jovial fulcrum
You just have to aggressively reroll for it
take Quick Reload highly, and once you have it reroll hermes
echo veldt
i forgot i have phalanx cast and flurry cast
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i forgot i have phalanx cast and flurry cast
oh thats epic
echo veldt
i just haven't been using them so far
and with divine dash i guess this elysium fight i'm about to do is gonna look a bit silly
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Fully Loaded is the boon that I can never seem to secure when i run Hera
I still haven't gotten it period, for the list lol
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i just did the charon fight for the first time
dusky drum
i got fully loaded like once
dusky drum
i just did the charon fight for the first time
and??
rare kindle
I got it only when I had like every artemis boon
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damn, yea charon is hard if you arent ready
he gets easier tho once you get used to how slow he is so free 20% 😎
normal cedar
the new lernie is easy,
drifting robin
You need atleast em2 for high heat
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but the annoying ass megara fight
it honeslty depends on the main fury and if the others both show up
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But lernie can get scary with fo and hard labour
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But lernie can get scary with fo and hard labour
or just all blue heads
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I have died plenty of times to lernie at 32
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i find the last phase a bit harder
drifting robin
You have nowhere to go except lava and otherwise you gotta tank like 25 damage per shot
With one sd
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but the lernie heads are closer togeather to its good for speedruns
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same with tight deadling
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No
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no timer rooms
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Tight deadline is not good for speedrunning
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no timer rooms
mhm, i hate those and having it on is nice
normal cedar
but for all weapons you should do it
drifting robin
For easy heat yes
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cause that uses real time
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And survival rooms pause the timer
ok i honestly dont really like how the speedruns are by in game timer
drifting robin
Yeah for RTA timer is good
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it feels weird
drifting robin
I like it
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i run hollow knight and i kinda have to go off in game timer since i dont have a good one besides my phone
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I’m sleepy
gn
honest wing
wait why is real tim preferred
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??
honest wing
isn't in game timer a better judge of your actual skills rather than choosing the right doors or just getting lucky with stuff or just not cursing thanatos
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i just like real time more, since like i get why in game is used but still, whats stoping you from getting unlucky even then
like some garbage room options
crappy boon options
etc tec
theres still a lot of luck
ig just me doing hollow knight stuff and looking at other games has gotten me into real time
honest wing
yea ok makes sense
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and it kinda bothers me when in game timer says 27 minutes but the run was 35 cuz loads and rooms that dont add to timer
but thats just me being stingy, i still love the game
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i just assume that post mini boss a shop coupled with heart, god, or pom is just free room
and im always right
so like
ebic
honest wing
yea most of the times it's clear when the thing is
echo veldt
good lord, i hadn't played in a month or so and got so lucky with my first run back
feels like mega synergy with my boons
no idea what to pick as my final boon 😩
tidal scaffold
well you cant pick any boon, give us the choices
echo veldt
i'm uploading a youtube vid rn, to avoid wall of text
tidal scaffold
ah man, cant watch it im in class
echo veldt
nvm, was a choice between support fire, mirage shot and exit wounds while having a bunch of deflection, crits and legendary greater recall
oh yeah and twin fists, dio call + blinding flash and splitting headache
all 3 boons seem good 
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athena on dash and aph or art on attack
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special?
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whatever you want
you only use special for the sparkles anyway
you can try to use that slot to get a prerequisite for a duo that you want
patent pewter
ah right
definitely not poseidon then
im too used to eris now arthur feels so chonky
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if you get aph attack, poseidon special can give their duo
i guess any poseidon slot can fulfill that tho
patent pewter
im playing art attack for big numbers 🙂
tidal scaffold
im ok with any attack or special boost
they just come y'know, but they still boost your dmg
what's your gameplay on keepsakes?
robust anchor
use em to force boons you want. if youre not looking for a specific olympian, can take purse. for elys and styx, can consider acorn
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i like accorn, but i cant fin a place to use it, in tartarus it's too easy, asphodel i basically never take dmg, elysium and styx, i need the skelly defiance
robust anchor
yes can use tooth too
tidal scaffold
im bad at dodging asterius
robust anchor
with hard-labor acorn is better
just keep trying stuff. lately i also tried megs earring
tidal scaffold
i never know when i have big health runs 😛
honest wing
what do yall use for arthus
you want aphro on special, artemis on attack, get heart rend, if you're lucky get athena dash and deadly reversal also
but core is aphro special arty attack
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athena dash...like what else would you want on your dash anyways?
maybe poseidon or ares...but eh
honest wing
if you aren't able to get aphro on special aphro on dash is viable too
and dionysus dash isn't that bad for the dio/arty duo
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is it worth it tho?
honest wing
I mean, obviously athena dash is pretty good and better in most cases
but I would say yea it is worth it
tidal scaffold
maybe ive been getting bad rarities on other dashes, oof
honest wing
I mean rarities only affect the damage
tidal scaffold
well on dio, doesnt it inflict better hangover?
honest wing
you aren't looking for damage on your dash most of the time, more utility stuff like affects
honest wing
well on dio, doesnt it inflict better hangover?
it does more hangover damage on better rarity yea
tidal scaffold
idk the more you get accustomed to the game the less you need the "weak" effect on enemies
maybe on higher heat runs tho
honest wing
you rarely need the weak at all
it's mostly just to apply the effect and it being there that helps
usually on runs with heart rend, curse of longing, low tolerance
and also to procc priv stat
tidal scaffold
if i didnt have athena dash, i would probably go for poseidon, 3rd place Ares
honest wing
I mean it's all subjective and depending on the run
but sure
posiedon is a good dash overall
poseidon and athena are top tier dashes
tidal scaffold
well athena deflects, and poseidon knockbacks, not too far off from eachother honestly
and ares leaves rifts in the air, if you dash a lot then it is guaranteed great damage
what did artemis dash do?
honest wing
more dash strike damage
tidal scaffold
oh just that...
honest wing
yea
tidal scaffold
well also critical i suppose
honest wing
unless you're building around dash strike, no need
honest wing
well also critical i suppose
nope
tame bison
I mean they’re all useful in certain builds
tidal scaffold
ah dammit
honest wing
I mean they’re all useful in certain builds
yup
tidal scaffold
even artemis one tho
tidal scaffold
eh, sadly i wont test many builds for now, im spamming doom chaos shield for 10 wins
tame bison
...are you enjoying that?
tidal scaffold
well it is satisfying
ofc, chaos shield and doom, are just two traits, i will probably use other boons to try and enhance the build even more
i wanna see its potential anyways
eh, probably will use the gun at one point tho, why not
split echo
Does higher heat give you higher rarity boons?
Because I’ve been doing some 0 heat runs just to relax, and the boons are usually just normal rarity
Is it just a coincidence?
tame bison
Yes, coincidence
tidal scaffold
i like how you have a pretty high chance to get some of the best boons, but their rarity is still necessary and... "rare"
split echo
How tf
coarse moss
jovial fulcrum
took Access, since thats what i went in to the room wanting anyhow
coral cave
Exclusive access is the best anyways
coral cave
I mean within those 3
jovial fulcrum
Sea storm can be good but not in this build
coral cave
Yeah
jovial fulcrum
Its mainly good for applying jolted w/ posiden boons