#h1-builds-and-combat

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dense ginkgo
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are these all good?

coral cave
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Strong drink is pretty good

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Especially since you're in tartarus

dense ginkgo
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cuz the extra dmg

coral cave
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Yea

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And also the health can save you

dense ginkgo
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and I won't be below 30% often

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and there are prob better specials

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ok mid it is

coral cave
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Yeah

dense ginkgo
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daedelus or pom
I only have 2 boons; zeus atk and this dio thing

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(I picked mid)

limber cloak
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hammer

jovial fulcrum
dense ginkgo
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what do you think arty?

coral cave
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Hammer

dense ginkgo
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damn I love hazard bomb

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but IDK bottom looks like it could be good

coral cave
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Seeking is pretty good

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Explosive is kinda meh

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Sounds good but isn't very effective

dense ginkgo
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why would I take seeking

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over hazard

coral cave
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Idk

dense ginkgo
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when I use hazard well

coral cave
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Your choice

dense ginkgo
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I am very good with hazard, so if you can't convince me, I'm taking hazard

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hazard is my baby

coral cave
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I mean if you like hazard then go ahead

dense ginkgo
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my explosive, scary, baby

coral cave
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I don't like hazard so I'd go seeking but you do you

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And also a pretty interesting build is hazard with spearpoint

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Hit yourself with hazard to proc the spearpoint

willow haven
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why the heck does hazard bomb work with eris

dense ginkgo
willow haven
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does it do a lot of damage or is it negligible?

dense ginkgo
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small

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to you

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but LARGE to enemies

coral cave
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Does like 3 damage to you I think

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Not too sure

willow haven
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i see

dense ginkgo
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it does like 1% or some crap

willow haven
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ah that's better

dense ginkgo
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(of the dmg, not your health)

willow haven
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yeah there are better upgrades

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1% damage

willow haven
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only used it once

dense ginkgo
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I love it

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I love gun's special

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and boosting its range AND damage is godly imo

coral cave
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Too bad it can't synergise with the other bomb hammers

willow haven
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yeah

dense ginkgo
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the fact it can hit you is negligible

willow haven
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that would've been dope

coral cave
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Other than targeting system

willow haven
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hazard + triple POGGERZ

coral cave
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Imagine hazard with cluster

willow haven
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more like

coral cave
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I can do that with mods

dense ginkgo
coral cave
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Craziness

dense ginkgo
willow haven
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there's moDS?

coral cave
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Yeah

willow haven
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WHERE

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WHERE

coral cave
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It's on nexus

willow haven
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TY

dense ginkgo
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hazard with cluster sounds just op af

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I bet you could one shot boss phases with that pairing

coral cave
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Most of em are just like 'oh broker gives you stuff for free' or like 'oh zag does 99999999 damage'

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But some of em are like balance changes

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Pony's mods are pretty good

honest wing
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are there mods for - all hammer work with each other AND you can get more than two hammers

coral cave
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The codex and Qol mods are great

honest wing
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coz like

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triple + cluster + hazard + rocket ?????????

dense ginkgo
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I plan on trying to speedrun so I'm not gonna do mods

dense ginkgo
honest wing
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yes

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someone make that

coral cave
honest wing
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oh hell yea

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omw to download Pony mods

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but last tim I tried to download a mod it din' work

dense ginkgo
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but yeah I will refrain from mods until I learn I hate trying to speedrun this game

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which I will probably hate speedrunning this game
but I'll try nonetheless

willow haven
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i was dreaming about 10 casts for some reason

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but i couldn't click fast enough in my dream

coral cave
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Whoops

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Forgot about the language bot

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I hate those kinda mods

dense ginkgo
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I still just have zeus and the dio heal and the hazard
so this athena is the next

dense ginkgo
coral cave
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Like oh here's infinite health and damage heheheheheeheh

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Are there any mods that arent dummy busted like that

dense ginkgo
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if you wanted to play an easy game with nothing to it
just play a normal hack and slash or smtn

honest wing
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yea like I just want excalibur to work with flurry slash not have dummy mods

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Saw a mirror one that looked interesting

dense ginkgo
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I can see there being a great modding scene for this game

coral cave
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Pony has great mods

dense ginkgo
dense ginkgo
coral cave
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I'd say special

honest wing
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are there mods for gods/aspects/boons/weapons or something

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I can’t wait until someone comes up with Hades’ first variant of a Gungeon rainbow run

coral cave
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Since you already have hazard

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That’d be entertaining

dense ginkgo
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is athena good special when hazard is delayed so much?

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especially since rocket is impossible now?

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dense ginkgo
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cuz like, deflect can't be anticipated with this

coral cave
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Well the others aren't too great

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Special is like the least crappy out of the crappy stuff

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Oof I’d take call

dense ginkgo
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does the special one allow me to get DD boons?

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Of all those

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Athena call can at least be a good get out of jail free card

limber cloak
coral cave
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There are better calls out there

limber cloak
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a video guide, that is

honest wing
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themks

limber cloak
misty turret
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Probably cast is best if not call?

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You’re just going to get virtually nothing out of the reflect with the special

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That’s the only thing

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And Athena cast damage isn’t bad. The cast itself is a little slow to travel but good damage and reflect on deck

willow haven
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yo @coral cave i can't find the upgrade mod

misty turret
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my biggest gripe with athena call is the opportunity cost of taking it over dio, aphro, arty, etc calls

dense ginkgo
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gods I love hazard bomb so much

limber cloak
dense ginkgo
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I don't get why it's an unpopular opinion

willow haven
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oh

coral cave
willow haven
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yeah it's here

limber cloak
willow haven
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codex menu

misty turret
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Yeag

limber cloak
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That's the one

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the fact that hazard is even available with eris is

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sigh

dense ginkgo
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well I am all zag rn tho

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IDEK what eris means by memory

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its an aspect

misty turret
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hit yourself with bomb to get +75% damage

dense ginkgo
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I just know it supposedly is an alternate gun version

coral cave
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Eris aspect is POGGERS

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Best aspect in the game don't @ me

dense ginkgo
limber cloak
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its literally the fastest weapon in the game

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Eris is rail’s Showstopper aspect

dense ginkgo
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just
not as well

limber cloak
misty turret
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hazard bomb is slow meaning you get eris buff less and you self-damage with hazard so

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and you get hit

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yeah rocket bomb eris is the OP combo

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And boy is it ever

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and it also disables most other good hammers for eris special

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Rocket cluster particularly

coral cave
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Rocket cluster with artemis

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😩

dense ginkgo
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rando boon or pom?
I only have 3 boons so pom would guaranteed level my special

misty turret
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i could streak 32 if i only played GY lmao

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40 heat kinda kicking my ass tho 😳

coral cave
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Go for boon

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Gamba

dense ginkgo
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unless the dio heal thing would be better
or boon ok

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Several large explosions rattle the House of Hades, knocking artifacts and several priceless pieces of art over

dense ginkgo
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mid?

coral cave
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Mid

misty turret
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urge to kill is almost* never bad

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Hades walks out of the pool of Styx, shame on his face

coral cave
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The endless stack of parchmentwork stacked on Lord Hades' throne collapse onto the floor below

dense ginkgo
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or actually
with hazard
might bottom be better?
then again not during a boss and that's when it matters
so mid

coral cave
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Yeah mid

misty turret
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battle rage is pretty meh

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Ehhhhh you’ll waste battle rage

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Not for the rail

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Not for zag rail at least

dense ginkgo
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I don't shoot often

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Mid

coral cave
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Battle rage is good for weapons like Arthur or hidden bow

dense ginkgo
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I mainly use hazard bomb

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Hestia battle rage 👀

dense ginkgo
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battle rage sounds great for hazard bomb

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but yeah it doesn't work well for boss

willow haven
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hestia bestia

misty turret
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i dont even think battle rage would be that great on rama

coral cave
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Eris >>>>>>

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trouble is if you even so much as tap your attack button once accidentally

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You’ve wasted it

gusty rapids
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quick note, battle rage isnt great w rama. anything that is killed by shared suffering damage doesnt count as "your" kill, so it doesnt proc battle rage

dense ginkgo
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I don't accidentally tap my atk dud

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dense ginkgo
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I never attack unless an emeny is RIGHT THERE

gusty rapids
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yeah its unfortunate

willow haven
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emeny

dense ginkgo
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I never misclick

coral cave
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Enema

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Pro Gamer Strats itt

dense ginkgo
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but nonetheless it sucks on boss
so I will take mid

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my gods
I just
I love hazard bomb so much

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it's so good on zag

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I get it sucks on a diff aspect

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but on zag

willow haven
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have you tried other upgrades?

dense ginkgo
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yes

willow haven
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cluster rockets? 😄

dense ginkgo
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there's something I wanna say that would not be allowed
let me just say that what I want to say wouldn't actually mean much because I am ace

misty turret
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name a worse hell:
speeder savior FO2 numbskulls with GY

honest wing
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dude is hetia even good

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isn't it like very slow and clunky

willow haven
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slow yes

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arthirtis yes

honest wing
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especially if you dont get ricochet or something

dense ginkgo
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hazard bomb is slow
and clunky in the best way

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it's amazing

coral cave
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Hestia does mad damage

dense ginkgo
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so that doesn't mean hestia is bad

willow haven
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i thought hestia was worstia until aurash convinced me otherwise

honest wing
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I see

coral cave
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But it's kinda slow

willow haven
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now hestia is bestia

devout trellis
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Hesita does crazy amount of damage with good build

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willow haven
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chill weapon

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LOL

coral cave
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Works great with ricochet

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That advice helped my hestia play considerably

gusty rapids
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gonna second aurash here

devout trellis
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And people use hestia to make no boon run

dense ginkgo
gusty rapids
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you should make it a habit to ALWAYS reload after u fire

dense ginkgo
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I already do that sometimes

honest wing
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should i remap my reload (I'm on mouse and keyboard)

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I didn’t understand hestia truly until I did that

gusty rapids
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the only time i dont is if im like. in a numbskull or flame wheel room

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And then, just like that, I did

dense ginkgo
gusty rapids
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you should remap reload to something comfortable if you want to play hestia yeah

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thats a very common thing to do

coral cave
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Shackle with hestia is madness

gusty rapids
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ur gonna be clicking that button a lot

honest wing
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if only I had some macro buttons or something on my mouse

willow haven
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Shackle hestia is illegal amounts of smiling

willow haven
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YES

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LOL

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it was so fun

gusty rapids
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i do quite a lot of smiling with shackle hestia, yeah

dense ginkgo
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maybe even use a 3rd party program to make it auto "press" the reload button x seconds after lmb is released to auto reload the instant you can

willow haven
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my go to chill weapon

honest wing
willow haven
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well yeah you can use a macro to spam reload but

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what about arthritis

honest wing
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arthiritistia

willow haven
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XD

coral cave
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I swear I'm gonna get carpal tunnel if I keep playing hades

willow haven
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wot

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why is that

coral cave
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My fingers

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I spam click a lot

honest wing
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when I started playing games on my laptop my wrist used to hurt so much

coral cave
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When I play any fast weapon like fists or rail my hand just goes nuts

honest wing
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controller or keyboar?

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Arcade sticks will be the meta in this game before long just because of all the arthritis lol

willow haven
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ain't that arthritis Thonk

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ye lol

coral cave
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Imagine hades in vr lol

dense ginkgo
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I just beat alecto with like 6 shots of hazard and a few casts

dense ginkgo
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Hades would actually be a great coin-op game

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Talk about a quarter sucker

coral cave
dense ginkgo
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huh

coral cave
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Would be an interesting experience

willow haven
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it's called vermintide kekW

dense ginkgo
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def would need to be reworked a bit to be first person

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but yeah

coral cave
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Yeah but one can dream

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Shrieks in SGG Artist

dense ginkgo
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so what keepsake do I take now?
tbh spearpoint doesn't sound so great

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or well

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it's 1 star rn

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what is it at 3 stars?

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3 sec?

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5?

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10?

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Spearpoint is great for poison. Which is the most frustrating part of Styx

dense ginkgo
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I am going into fire hell next

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not styx

coral cave
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What boons do you have

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Probably not that then

dense ginkgo
coral cave
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Poseidon for splash dash maybe

dense ginkgo
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one of those is a chaos +32% special

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the steam guide says only athena for dash?

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Take athena for her cast? Set up for duo?

dense ginkgo
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is it that I save athena for when I lose a DD?

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Nah, no reason not to take it at this point. She’s already in your pool, so you’d just be forcing a god you already have

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Not that that’s an issue. You want to fill up the rest of your slots now

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And for cast you have a zeus/athena duo in play already

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So athena for cast/dash or posiedon for cast/dash honestly

dense ginkgo
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arty what do you think about what Aur said?

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usually Poseidon is annoying cuz knockback, but tbh knockback can be useful to force targets into my approaching hazard bomb

coral cave
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I'd say just go for athena

jovial fulcrum
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walking in to Hades fight with exactly 0 gold 😎

coral cave
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Nice

dense ginkgo
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that deserves an achievement

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is that an achievement?

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(on steam atleast)

coral cave
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Too bad that fighting hades without taking any damage just gives you a little title thing

coral cave
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I want to be recognized for my skill

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No-hitting hades should let you steal his cloak

limber cloak
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achievements are supposed to be skill based lol

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And you keep it on until you’re next hit

limber cloak
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no coin hades fight is just rng

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Like the kick-me sign from God Hand lol

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And if you make it all the way back to him with it still on he’s just there shivering his ass off lol

coral cave
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If zag wore hades' cloak you wouldn't even be able to see him lol

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Oh they could make that work

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It would flow majestically around him

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A testament to his skill

coral cave
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You'd just see a massive cloak with something shifting around in the middle

dense ginkgo
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mid?

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Gods yes

dense ginkgo
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I don't dash much with hazard bomb tho

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but

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+dash is top 5 most powerful boons in the game

dense ginkgo
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nothing better here realy

coral cave
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Def top or mid

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Just, in general

coral cave
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Mid is better just because top is common

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I'd tell you to take it if it was rare or epic

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Mostly because you can get rush delivery

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Does haste stack into rush?

coral cave
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Think so

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I thought it was just hyper sprint 🧐

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I could be mistaken

dense ginkgo
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do I take pom, or the option for 4 rando poms, or 2 upgrades, or 3 future upgrades?
/s

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I wonder

gusty rapids
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any sort of movement speed stacks into rush

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hermes' plume does

coral cave
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Which is why rush is POGGERS

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Is rush a t1 then?

coral cave
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T2

gusty rapids
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if you manage to get rush while playing zag sword, the inherent movement speed on zag sword itself gives you extra damage

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I thought it was a t2 for some reason

gusty rapids
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no its T2

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Hmmmm

gusty rapids
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you still need to have some bonus move speed already to unlock it

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Ah I gotcha

jovial fulcrum
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on an 8 streak :O

gusty rapids
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it wont get offered unless u have plume, greater haste, or hyper sprint iirc

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Well rush is S+ either way

opal lodge
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yeah

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inherent speed, movement speed from bouldy, and second wind all do not count

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for reasons

dense ginkgo
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upgrade 2 boons now, 4 pom slices, or upgrade next 3 boons?

gusty rapids
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well they count for damage ONCE you get rush

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but they will not unlock rush

coral cave
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Rush is just like 'here do twice the amount of damage on everything just because you move slightly fasted'

dense ginkgo
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I'd say go for top

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The rarity boost is pretty nice

opal lodge
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eh

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depends on hermes

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have you seen hermes yet?

dense ginkgo
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yes

opal lodge
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what did you get

dense ginkgo
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got a rare +2 dash

opal lodge
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could be worth going for rarity

jovial fulcrum
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Curse of Naus + Dio call put in the work during Hades fight

dense ginkgo
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a prophecy foretold by that

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You’re sort of in a spin-the-wheel situation pinecone

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There are good cases to take all 3

honest wing
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hades coooooop

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You haven’t got a lot of boons, so 1 and 2 are on the table

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And 3 is always there for you

jovial fulcrum
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I usually take nectar from Eurydice if I dont know what to take

gusty rapids
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i like nectar if i havent seen hermes yet, since hermes boons really scale well with rarity

dense ginkgo
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top?

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I’d get your cast online

coral cave
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Brilliant maybe

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Provided you don’t need DD’s

coral cave
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Unlocks legendary

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Brilliant can set up for leg too

dense ginkgo
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I made it larger than usual so you could see I have them all

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I got another athena next

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who knows it might be legendary

coral cave
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PauseChamp

dense ginkgo
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OMG

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THAT LEGENDARY IS AMAZING

coral cave
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Did you get it

dense ginkgo
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I am looking in journal

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negating an instance of damage every 20 sec at common

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or wait

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it's a legendary lol

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it’s...... there

dense ginkgo
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it's guaranteed 20 isn't it

coral cave
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Yeah

dense ginkgo
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or do legendaries and duos have secret rarities?

coral cave
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20 seconds is quite along time tbh

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yeah

dense ginkgo
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I can delay

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Athena legendary....... could use adjusting

coral cave
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You can't pom legendaries or duos so they're set

dense ginkgo
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and I don't get hit often

coral cave
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They could reduce it to like 15 seconds or something

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10 wouldn’t be outrageous

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It’s a damned legendary after all

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20 feels like someone misinputted a value

dense ginkgo
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wait
how did I get a heroic option
I thought you had to do nectar to get that or smtn

coral cave
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Heroic boons can appear when replacing one you already have

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No, those can happen if a replacement boon is offered

dense ginkgo
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oh huh

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^^^^

coral cave
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Which heroic boon did you get

gusty rapids
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replacements always increase the rarity of the thing its replacing by one, so if you have an epic boon already, you can get offered a heroic replacement of said epic boon

dense ginkgo
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Dash

dense ginkgo
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what if you get a heroic replacement AND nectar?
does the nectar get wasted one use?

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Ye gods yes

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Yeah, nothing higher than heroic

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Dash all day

gusty rapids
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yeah

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you cant go higher than heroic

dense ginkgo
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store or heart?
I have 250g

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145hp max

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I would think heart since choosing heart in the shop would make choosing boon impossible?

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well
unless rando boon

willow haven
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explosive fire, delta chamber and spread fire is hilarious

jovial fulcrum
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i dont go to stores without at least 300 gold, unless I actively don't want what the other path was

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or if it was forced i guess

dense ginkgo
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any other opinions someone else might have?

terse mist
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id go for the heart

coral cave
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Health

flat garden
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i'm getting the boons i want with ap2 feelsgoodman

dense ginkgo
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beat hydra with still 3 DDs

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gods I love hazard bomb

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and the dio boon I got is making me start elysium with full health

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and +6% dmg

flat garden
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died right after getting a cohesive ME build feelsbadman

dense ginkgo
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what keepsake now?

coral cave
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Acorn maybe

dense ginkgo
coral cave
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Since you keep dying to the heroes

dense ginkgo
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I don't die to the heroes when at 3 DD

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coral cave
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Hmm

dense ginkgo
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with hazard bomb

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hazard bomb destroys everyone

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including phase 1 hades

jovial fulcrum
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I usually fix myself up with the Olympian boon trinkets during the first 3 biomes and then before Styx i swap to Hourglass

flat garden
coral cave
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Maybe arte for call?

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My hats off to you

flat garden
coral cave
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I'm not sure if you can get deadly reversal with arte call

dense ginkgo
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I got to phase 2 for the first time with hazard bomb zag

jovial fulcrum
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gottem

dense ginkgo
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arty aid is not a bad idea

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what is deadly reversal?

coral cave
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Duo with arte and athena

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20% chance to crit after deflecting

dense ginkgo
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no if I get arty aid I can get their duo

coral cave
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Then get it then

dense ginkgo
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I love arty

coral cave
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Same

dense ginkgo
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god of the hunt

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and she's a woman
that's a lot of extra points in my book

coral cave
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I love women

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Women? Fantastic

dense ginkgo
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being a lesbian is great

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you aren't one

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but whatever

coral cave
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I am a guy

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And I love women

dense ginkgo
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yeah I just checked your pronouns

jovial fulcrum
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crits are just a lot of fun

mossy plume
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hewwo

coral cave
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OwO

mossy plume
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may i ask if there are any coronacht mains here

willow haven
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tf

jovial fulcrum
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you may ask

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we'll wait

coral cave
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You may proceed with your question

jovial fulcrum
#

but now that you have permission, you have to ask

mossy plume
#

i mean, darren is also a coronacht main. so i wanted to know if you all had coronacht strats

coral cave
#

I have a strat

#

Shoot enemies

#

Don't shoot not enemies

dense ginkgo
#

on the futch scale (from femme to butch) artemis's sorta futch imo
being a hunter and crap is sorta butch awesomness
but tbh she looks a bit femme imo, in her player model ingame atleast

jovial fulcrum
#

I haven't been sticking to one weapon or anything personally. Still in the Dark farming, so i just take whatever has Dark Thirst

willow haven
#

what

mossy plume
#

oh! are you new to the game?

willow haven
#

what channel am i in

jovial fulcrum
#

Relatively

#

Maybe a week? Week and a half

mossy plume
#

i hope you're liking it zagluv

coral cave
mossy plume
#

awww, i'm so glad you got your hands on it!

#

i've had it since epic early access zaglol

coral cave
#

I got it during the fall sale

dense ginkgo
#

2nd hammer or hermes for my first room of elysium?

coral cave
#

Hammer

mossy plume
willow haven
#

who skips hammers residentzag

jovial fulcrum
#

I think the fists are probably my favorite.
I like Demeter and Gilgamesh a lot.

coral cave
#

Dem fists 😩

willow haven
#

fister zag Kreygasm

mossy plume
jovial fulcrum
#

I only really take Hammers when i have no option or if its offered against treasure

coral cave
#

Why

flat garden
#

zag fists made me win at 32 so i'm biased

coral cave
#

Hammers are POGGERS

mossy plume
#

be nice to the new player 🥺

jovial fulcrum
#

Because the game seems to force hammers on you anyhow

willow haven
#

if you're going bestia then no hammer is fine pepeGa

dense ginkgo
willow haven
#

is that the bestia

dense ginkgo
#

forgot hazard bomb hammer 2s are sorta bland

coral cave
#

Id go seeking

dense ginkgo
#

this is zag

coral cave
#

No it's zag rail

willow haven
#

ah

flat garden
#

heartrend as 4th boon residentzag i hope i dont die in a wacky way like stepping onto magma with hs on

dense ginkgo
#

does bottom make zeus lighting trigger twice?

willow haven
#

it goes to another enemy, yes

coarse moss
#

i like piercing cuz ignore shield enemies

dense ginkgo
#

with zeus primary, how is seeking better than richochet?

willow haven
#

10% extra damage POGGERZ

coral cave
#

Idk I just like seeking

dense ginkgo
#

hazard bomb already decimates shield

coral cave
#

Homing stuff is POGGERS

willow haven
#

can turn brain off and just shoot pew pew

#

yes

dense ginkgo
coral cave
#

Press click and forget

#

Ez

cloud vault
#

Piercing is pretty decent

mossy plume
willow haven
dense ginkgo
#

it is if it hits another enemy

willow haven
#

what

coral cave
#

No?

dense ginkgo
#

it's 200% of what it would do otherwose

#

otherwise

mossy plume
#

@jovial fulcrum if you need help and it's too chaotic here, feel free to DM me!

dense ginkgo
#

not 300% total

willow haven
#

???

dense ginkgo
#

200% total

coral cave
#

Where'd you get that idea

cloud vault
#

Armor is a pain in Elysium and Styx, piercing helps that also Shields and Theseus become a bit easier

jovial fulcrum
#

Nah, I'm fine.

dense ginkgo
#

it's not all on one enemy

#

but it still is 200% dmg is it not?

mossy plume
coral cave
#

I hate armored enemies

willow haven
#

n..no?

coral cave
#

Anger

cloud vault
#

Piercing is also the same if not better than ricochet

willow haven
#

it's the same damage iirc

jovial fulcrum
#

If I don't get something for Armor damage, armor rooms feel like a slog

cloud vault
#

Considering it does the same thing which is hit more than 1 target

dense ginkgo
#

it's 100% to two enemies

#

200% total

willow haven
#

you got zag rail

#

that's like 24 bullets?

jovial fulcrum
#

armored enemies not staggers while armored is the thing that gets me about them

willow haven
#

240% damage

#

😄

mossy plume
dense ginkgo
#

18 bullets

coral cave
#

No it's 18x200

dense ginkgo
#

not max upgrade

coral cave
#

3600 damage POGGERS

willow haven
sonic ember
#

question
the olympian keepsakes is only valid for one use or one use per region?

coral cave
#

One use

willow haven
#

yea it only works once

cloud vault
#

But the rarity boost lasts

willow haven
#

you get a boon once and it becomes kinda useless except for the rarity boost

coarse moss
#

rarity boost can help with duo if you really wanted one

jovial fulcrum
#

mainly they just force add the desired god to your pool

#

usually for certain duos

willow haven
#

yeah, after asphodel you should get the same 4 gods over

sonic ember
#

so the rarity boost from that god still applies?

willow haven
#

yes

sonic ember
#

man.. wish hermes had that

dense ginkgo
#

guaranteed arty or 100 gold?

jovial fulcrum
#

I think I've made it out of Asphodel with 3 gods only once or twice

dense ginkgo
#

gold cuz arty is guaranteed?

willow haven
jovial fulcrum
#

probably arty, unless you need the gold for something

dense ginkgo
#

epic aid

#

and fountain

jovial fulcrum
#

do you have anything that buffs god gauge

dense ginkgo
#

though I was near full health
still +3% dmg

sonic ember
#

hyper sprint and rush delivery in every run when

dense ginkgo
jovial fulcrum
#

yknow

#

if i'd thought about that for ten seconds, lol

dense ginkgo
#

pom or ares, the ares being a miniboss
in elysium

flat garden
#

as always HS bites me in the behind

#

dashed right into that elysium arrow trap

dense ginkgo
#

ares is good for my build right?

#

certain things

#

like

jovial fulcrum
#

What's your build? idk

coral cave
#

I'd go pom

#

Ares is kinda eh

dense ginkgo
#

ok

bright fossil
#

ares fits in a lot of builds as just a side god tbh

coral cave
#

All her slots are filled except for cast I think

jovial fulcrum
#

ares is everyone's side god owo

bright fossil
#

right

dense ginkgo
jovial fulcrum
#

Ares/Arty duo is nice, but if you're not casting its w/e

dense ginkgo
#

top right?

#

or is it mid?

coral cave
#

Sure

#

Mid is good too

#

Your choice tbh

bright fossil
#

which weapon even use ďeflect on special again?

dense ginkgo
#

for thinking about bosses
is mid or top gonna deal more dmg?

bright fossil
#

also pom isn't really that worth it on % based blessing

dense ginkgo
#

tbh top isn't it

jovial fulcrum
#

either works.
Mid would be my preference, since a good cast of Arty Call can eat an entire cycle of Hades

coral cave
#

If we're thinking bosses mid would def be better

bright fossil
#

but hey 1% crit chance is 1% crit chance

dense ginkgo
#

I chose mid
I have 399 gold
miniboss athena
or store?

coral cave
#

Athena

dense ginkgo
#

tbh I think I'd destroy either miniboss rn

coral cave
#

Deadly reversal

jovial fulcrum
#

you're choice.
Could store now, or save up for the preboss store

dense ginkgo
#

got the (for this build) harder miniboss; minotaur

#

cuz I'd prolly destroy orb

coral cave
#

That's good

dense ginkgo
#

yeah it'll lower his health in actual boss

coral cave
#

Yep

dense ginkgo
#

barely took any damage lmao

jovial fulcrum
#

arty cast \o/

coral cave
#

Pogchamp

jovial fulcrum
#

er, call

dense ginkgo
#

top?

coral cave
#

Why not

flat garden
#

does mirage shot on arty or athena or like, base cast, target the same enemy or do they go to different ones if they could

coral cave
#

All of em kinda eh anyways

jovial fulcrum
#

might reroll, unless you wanna save it for styx

coral cave
#

Save the roll

dense ginkgo
#

ok

#

top it is

#

all main slots full

jovial fulcrum
#

tfw not using rerolls aggressively :pepehands:

dense ginkgo
#

I have only 2

#

no refills

#

keys are just keys

#

well, 1 rn

#

I used the other

jovial fulcrum
#

I mean, if you never use them that's just lost value

coral cave
#

She only has one tho

#

And rerolls are important

dense ginkgo
#

I can just use it on styx lol

#

they will be used

#

or I will die before hades

coral cave
#

Have you gotten deadly reversal yet

dense ginkgo
#

one or the other

#

nope

willow haven
#

i'm so greedy

coral cave
#

Take any arty or athena you find

willow haven
#

i roll if i see common

coral cave
#

And reroll if you don't get it

#

If you don't get it even after reroll just cry

dense ginkgo
#

lmao

jovial fulcrum
#

I use my rerolls so aggressively lol, trying to pull Duos or Legendaries

willow haven
#

fr

coarse moss
#

if prereqs for duo are met, basically reroll everytime till get duo. earlier the better

jovial fulcrum
#

My logic is that if I set up a broken build now, I won't need to reroll for KoS later

willow haven
#

KoS? Thonk

#

chaos?

jovial fulcrum
#

kiss of styx

willow haven
dense ginkgo
#

athena AND dio
or 100 gold
ofc the trial right?

jovial fulcrum
#

listen here.
I'm not that good yet

coral cave
#

Trial

dense ginkgo
#

especially since athena

jovial fulcrum
#

I almost always takes trials over anything, personally

coral cave
#

Oh wait

dense ginkgo
#

cuz athena ez trial

coral cave
#

You can't get duos from trials

dense ginkgo
#

still though

#

it's a trial of athena and dio

jovial fulcrum
#

you can't?

dense ginkgo
#

though I still have 3 DDs

coral cave
#

Yeah but you should still go for the trial

coral cave
jovial fulcrum
#

not even on reroll?
rip

coral cave
#

Positive outlook 😩

dense ginkgo
#

athena first right?

#

OR WAIT

coral cave
#

Eh

dense ginkgo
#

no

#

dio first

#

right?

coral cave
#

Athena is easiest

jovial fulcrum
#

atehna is easier to fight

dense ginkgo
#

and you choose the opposite so I anger athena

coral cave
#

Also dio is cool and I don't wanna piss him off

dense ginkgo
#

screw dio

#

he made me trans

willow haven
#

???a

coral cave
#

Not this again

willow haven
#

can you not

coral cave
#

Dios like the cool perpetually drunk guy

jovial fulcrum
#

I almost always do athena last unless I really want a boon she can give

coral cave
#

He my homie

willow haven
#

this is for hades builds and combat, not for what characters do to you irl

dense ginkgo
#

he is not my homie ok

willow haven
#

hey there man zag yeah remember me yeah man?

dense ginkgo
#

bottom?

#

cuz top 2 sorta bad

willow haven
#

why ask when you know residentzag

dense ginkgo
#

and cuz bottom is GREAT

coral cave
#

Hey there zag man how's it going look I know you're having a bad time down there so let me just help you out a bit yeah

#

Bottom is pretty goid

willow haven
#

can i dm you something @coral cave

#

someone from this discord sent it to me kekW

jovial fulcrum
#

vintage is nice, especially if have Pom Nectar

dense ginkgo
#

bottom?

coral cave
dense ginkgo
#

cuz arty aid

coral cave
#

It's common tho

#

Kinda doodoo

#

I'd go mid tbh

#

Makes styx and hades fight easier

dense ginkgo
#

for hades phase 2

#

ok

#

I got ! on full DD

#

this never happens in elysius

#

I am never full DD this far

coral cave
untold vortex
#

ayy niceu klinkCozy

dense ginkgo
#

and the room after is supposed to be boss I think?
I am in room 33

untold vortex
#

36 is the boss room

coral cave
#

It's chamber 36 I think

#

Yeah

jovial fulcrum
#

Hydralite Gold is nice.
Select Jerky is greater if you dont need the heals

coral cave
#

So you have about 1 more encounter

untold vortex
#

34 will be the last encounter before shot

#

shop*

dense ginkgo
#

well
still, no fights
cuz the room before boss is empty
and 34 is gonna be ! dude

coral cave
#

Nice

untold vortex
#

noice, even better

coral cave
#

Don't mess it up in heroes fight and you're golden

dense ginkgo
#

so jerky I guess?

#

lmao

jovial fulcrum
#

tasty

dense ginkgo
#

after the boss I heal to full cuz dio

coral cave
#

Technically 75%

dense ginkgo
#

yeah but

coral cave
#

Because hell mode

dense ginkgo
#

when am I below 25%

coral cave
#

Just don't go below 25% then 4Head

dense ginkgo
#

never

#

I die if I go that low

#

and it resets to above 25%

jovial fulcrum
#

ready to kill on 1 hp

dense ginkgo
#

dude I'm gonna beat this boss with 3 DD and over 50 health remaining
if not only 20% taken in this battle

willow haven
#

issa just trial and error

dense ginkgo
#

I am at like 80% rn

coral cave
#

Maybe you'll even beat hades

dense ginkgo
#

are poms guaranteed at the store?

coral cave
#

No

dense ginkgo
#

pom or store?

#

lots of gold

coral cave
#

Go for store

dense ginkgo
#

470

#

bottom cuz all DD?

#

or maybe mid?

#

cuz hazard bomb?

#

and I don't accidentally left click

willow haven
#

chat plays hades residentzag

jovial fulcrum
#

i try to save up so that i can go to the pre-boss store instead of the empty room

#

well "empty"

dense ginkgo
#

you get money at styx

coral cave
#

Wow those are terrible

dense ginkgo
#

reroll?

coral cave
#

At that point just take blood frenzy

dense ginkgo
#

like, I did give reasons for bottom two

coral cave
#

Save reroll for athena or arte

dense ginkgo
#

k

honest wing
#

I wanna do a completely random run t some point

#

random weapon aspect

#

random heat

#

AP2 for random boons

dense ginkgo
#

45% extra damage on last DD for hades here I come

honest wing
#

random room selection

coral cave
#

I want to do a run where a random number generator decides everything for me

dense ginkgo
#

lmao

#

that might be interesting

coral cave
#

Why decide when God can decide for you

dense ginkgo
#

the gods*

honest wing
#

JESUS TAKE THE CONTROLLER

dense ginkgo
#

screw fake jesus

#

when you could have zeus

coral cave
#

Praying to Allah for a good boon daphPray

dense ginkgo
#

cuz zeus is more real than jesus
even though jesus was an actual born person, religeon or no

coral cave
#

Just not a religious person in general

#

Although we shouldn't really be talking about this heds

dense ginkgo
#

yeah

#

lol

willow haven
rapid storm
#

whats a good weapon to use?

limber cloak
#

if youre new to the game, try out all weapons

rapid storm
#

Ive tried them all

limber cloak
#

all the weapons are great in their own respect, theres no one objective OP weapon for everything

dense ginkgo
#

full heal in the stairs

limber cloak
#

which one do you like the best?

dense ginkgo
#

I beat jerkwad

rapid storm
limber cloak
#

lol

#

just use the one with the dark thirst (purple glow)

#

if youre not sure which one to use

willow haven
#

^

rapid storm
#

i think i might go with stygius arthur aspect when i can get it

willow haven
#

thought u said u tried em all Thonk

dense ginkgo
#

hmm which keepsake do I go now

rapid storm
dense ginkgo
#

tooth maybe?
if it weren't worse than collar lol
collar maybe?

willow haven
#

ah i see, lots of variety, see what suits you best

coarse moss
#

acorn is really good against hades

willow haven
#

i did 40 runs with bow and couldn't clear a single run

#

first clear was with rail

dense ginkgo
#

but
the first 3 hits will prolly be phase 1 idk

#

the issue is phase 2

#

(it's 1 star, acorn)

coral cave
#

My first clear was with fists surprisingly

willow haven
#

i actually thought they were bad

jovial fulcrum
#

rail was my first clear

willow haven
#

they're my pb now xD

rapid storm
#

i havent cleared at all;-; my farthest run was elysium but now i always die at bone hydra

dense ginkgo
#

I am about to clear hopefully with rail

willow haven
#

you'll keep gaining power with darkness

coral cave
#

I wish there was a way to sort or filter the records in admin chamber

willow haven
#

so no shame in dying

coral cave
#

Like sort by fastest to slowest or something

rapid storm
#

im only upgrading thick skin rn

willow haven
jovial fulcrum
#

I tend to like hourglass for styx, pom blossom seems good too if you plan on clearing every path

dense ginkgo
#

or maybe I should use distant memory?

coral cave
#

I mean the individual records

willow haven
#

ow

#

yea that'd be neat

coral cave
#

Pls add Mr giant

jovial fulcrum
#

Hourglass lets you stack up a bunch of Well buffs for Hades himself

dense ginkgo
#

is pom blossom the last one?
I don't see it

jovial fulcrum
#

I've had, like Double Prometheus Stone and Atlas Bead against hades because of hourglass.

willow haven
jovial fulcrum
#

Oh, yeah, you get it from ||Persephone||

dense ginkgo
#

hourglass is just +4 so it's prolly useless

jovial fulcrum
#

they do

dense ginkgo
#

cuz 1 star

willow haven
#

that's whack lmao

jovial fulcrum
#

the 4 can matter

willow haven
#

^

coral cave
#

Goes to +8 iirc

willow haven
#

yep

coral cave
#

Pretty POGGERS

willow haven
#

max rank is +8

jovial fulcrum
#

if you get a well at the end of one path, you can run an entire extra path before they wear off

dense ginkgo
#

I think I might play it safe and take the collar

jovial fulcrum
#

collar or skelly tooth for safety

willow haven
#

no tooth?

#

acorn is good too POGGERZ

dense ginkgo
#

tooth heals 25 less

willow haven
#

acorn then kekW

obsidian vigil
#

level the stuff then

coral cave
#

Just level it up 4Head

dense ginkgo
#

tooth and collar or max

#

are max*

jovial fulcrum
#

I liked spearpoint a lot. When i was ranking it up, it was pretty clutch against hades

dense ginkgo
#

with 3 DDs, collar is 125 hp

obsidian vigil
#

collar then

dense ginkgo
#

tooth is 100 hp

willow haven
#

what heat

dense ginkgo
#

min hell mode

#

5

coral cave
#

Colar

willow haven
limber cloak
#

why are you playing on hell mode lol

dense ginkgo
#

cuz it's easy?

#

I like it?

limber cloak
#

hell mode is hard??

coral cave
#

She's a professional gamer™

limber cloak
#

lol

willow haven
#

lol

jovial fulcrum
#

depending on how much damage the hit that kills you is, having an extra health gate can be more valuable than raw max hp

willow haven
#

why are you asking us if it's easy

limber cloak
#

^exactly

#

like

dense ginkgo
#

it's not that easy

limber cloak
#

if youre new to the game dont play hell mode

dense ginkgo
#

and I enjoy hell mode

#

so why not

limber cloak
#

have you played the normal game tho

dense ginkgo
#

nope

limber cloak
#

to judge the difference

willow haven
#

lol

limber cloak
#

🤦‍♂️

dense ginkgo
#

but I love hell mode

willow haven
#

XDDDDDDD

obsidian vigil
#

my brain

willow haven
coral cave
#

She's much too professional gamer™ for that

dense ginkgo
#

normal mode would be too easy

limber cloak
#

i mean youre literally asking us for every choice you make

jovial fulcrum
#

What even is hell mode? I don't think I've seen a slider for that anywhere

limber cloak
#

i dont think its easy

willow haven
#

ye

limber cloak
#

it requires you to use 5 heat minimum for every run

jovial fulcrum
#

o

dense ginkgo
limber cloak
#

from the start

jovial fulcrum
#

i c

#

fug
I don't wanna restart for hell mode :pepehands:

dense ginkgo
#

ofc when I try to speedrun the game I think I'll first try fresh file which would mean normal mode

willow haven
#

you might find a save file for that

jovial fulcrum
#

oh, yeah.
Lol.

#

I forgot save file DLs are a thing.

dense ginkgo
#

well, hell mode is meaningless after you reach 5 heat normally, outside the fact it forces what you spend that first 5 heat on

willow haven
#

yep, speedrunners use a save file because the game lags after certain number of runs

opal lodge
#

fresh file doesnt use any saves lol

dense ginkgo
opal lodge
#

but yeah for RTA you use the ello save on src

limber cloak
#

fresh file=you start from the scratch

dense ginkgo
limber cloak
#

fresh file is a category for speedrunning

opal lodge
#

the game saves all your past runs each time you complete a room

willow haven
#

scroll down you can see maxed hell mode file

jovial fulcrum
#

fancy

willow haven
#

paste it in documents/saved games/hades iirc

opal lodge
#

yeah thats coorect

dense ginkgo
#

and it keeps all your runs in your ram?

opal lodge
#

theres a guide to it on src

dense ginkgo
#

so it can lag?

limber cloak
willow haven
#

on ram?

limber cloak
#

your save file just gets bigger with all the run data

dense ginkgo
#

idk

limber cloak
#

bigger save file takes a longer time to load

dense ginkgo
#

for every loading screen?

willow haven
#

yes

opal lodge
#

yes

dense ginkgo
#

oh damn

#

wow that would have a HUGE effect

#

holy crap

limber cloak
#

which is why you use a maxed out save file with no run data for RTA runs

willow haven
#

these resources are made with a save editor