h1-builds-and-combat

[forest marsh]

Also first spear on the board for the challenge

[proven osprey]

You're going to see some spear dw

[forest marsh]

I was hoping we'd get all aspects before any repeats but alas, the allure of Demeter and Eris was too strong for people

[rare kindle]

someone should flex and do GY

[proven osprey]

without a mirror, good idea

[rare kindle]

I didn't say that second part but you do you

[dusky relic]

why can't I map click to reload 😐

[dry ember]

Huge Catch in Styx 🤡

I took it because see Orange take Orange

[cursive mountain]

Is merciful end or calculated risk better

[cunning urchin]

Stubborn Roots is from Ladies Athena and Demeter.

[cunning urchin]

Good idea.

[forest marsh]

FoxHope 24 minutes late to the party

A applaud you for also taking Charon, though

[proven osprey]

just clear all tunnels

iirc if you let a fish go before going for a tunnel it disappears

which means you could force another one

[dry ember]

yeah it was such a meme run. got stuck with shackle, the boons were kind eh Hammer was also eh

Huge Catch though 🤡

[forest marsh]

I'm so sad that I didn't get Clarity on my run. It would have been perfect

Huge Catch is a huge catch, no denying

[spiral badge]

Huge catch is S-tier trolls please leave

[craggy owl]

hi everyone! nice to meet you all. new here and wondering if you all have favourite meme builds. i'm looking for ideas to keep the game fun and fresh 🙂

[willow haven]

any good weapon to go with artemis/athena?

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike, Deadly Flourish on Demeter Aspect.

Try to get Deadly Reversal and Support Fire after that.

[willow haven]

anything with demeter is just

[cunning urchin]

For Dash both Divine Dash and Hunter Dash will work, or you could take Passion Dash and also try to get Heart Rend.

[willow haven]

i think imma try arthur again

only got 1 2k crit on hades last time

[coral cave]

i remember i did like 3K damage to hades with crush shot hera once

good time

[hollow prairie]

My highest crit was 5200

Arthur

[willow haven]

[hollow prairie]

Backstab ruthless proc with HR and third swing

[willow haven]

daaamn

[hollow prairie]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/884465830

[willow haven]

DAAAAMN

[vale flax]

Does anyone know how much Fated Persuasion upgrades?

[wispy fossil]

Best malphon daed hammers?

[hollow prairie]

The rolls? It's 4

[cunning urchin]

4 Persuasion rerolls, 8 Authority rerolls.

[vale flax]

I'm asking cause I'm trying to budget my darkness

And the Fated Persuasion upgrades are so damn expensive

[flat garden]

so is authority but since it has 8 it's more spread out

[cunning urchin]

Authority is more expensive to max out.

[flat garden]

by like a tiny bit

persuasion is a better option for me

[wispy fossil]

persuasion is for boons right?

[flat garden]

persuasion lets you reroll options for god boons and charon wells

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, it's actually only 11k for Authority and 10k for Persuasion now.

[wispy fossil]

yeah persuasion all day

[cunning urchin]

It used to be like 40k or something silly like that for Authority back in Early Access when it was still max 10 lol.

[vale flax]

My next Persuasion upgrade is...4000 darkness

Is that the last one?

[flat garden]

yes

[wispy fossil]

just so much more useful imo

[vale flax]

Finally.

[cunning urchin]

Persuasion is meta in speedruns and at high heat.

[vale flax]

But can we also circle back around to Rain's questions

I am curious what the best hammer upgrades for the twin fists are

A lot of them seem...meh

[flat garden]

kinetic launcher for dem fists

[vale flax]

See. I prefer charged shot for aegis more than I do the kinetic launcher

[wispy fossil]

tbh i reallly don't like heavy knuckle

[cunning urchin]

Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper are a lot better than Kinetic Launcher.

[wispy fossil]

so i picked draining cutter

[flat garden]

breaching cross is also very good.

[cunning urchin]

It's not just also very good, it's easily #1.

[vale flax]

The one that gives you a bit more range is nice

[wispy fossil]

long kuckle

[vale flax]

And uhh Quake Cutter is okay

[wispy fossil]

thx

[willow haven]

HOOOO

managed a 4k crit on bull

[wispy fossil]

dayum!

with what weapon?

[willow haven]

arthur ofc

[wispy fossil]

ah

[desert cypress]

Hey lads I beat Hades without any boons

[honest wing]

epic

[spiral badge]

N1

Friendship with OLYMPIANS ended

SISYPHUS is new best friend

What weapon?

[jovial fulcrum]

just beat Theseus and Asterius
Without using a death defy for the first time

normally they always eat at least one

[willow haven]

how do you get greater recall and bad news?

[flat garden]

prerequisites are in the codex

[honest wing]

you can check the wiki

[flat garden]

but both of them can be gotten by equipping lambent plume

[willow haven]

riiight

oh thanks

[flat garden]

iirc, greater recall requires flurry cast or quick reload

[willow haven]

i've never come across those legendaries

[flat garden]

and bad news requires auto reload

you have to have infernal soul to get greater recall

and stygian soul to get the other one

[willow haven]

yeah just checked

having plume is enough it seems

imagine https://i.imgur.com/BUIxApJ.jpg

LMAO

[coral cave]

precisely why i never pick AP

[flat garden]

bad news with dio or dem cast is so good

[willow haven]

even that got cancelled

xD

[rare kindle]

Are you doing a cast based build?

[obsidian kite]

I just can't stay away from Heart Rend lol

[rare kindle]

I'm meme-ing with crystal beam on achilles spear myself

[obsidian kite]

I've gotten it my last several runs

[rare kindle]

I already got mirage shot, now waiting on crystal clarity

[willow haven]

nah i'm just goofing around trying to finish quests

[obsidian kite]

without even intending for it

[rocky iris]

I gotta say there's nothing quite as broken as crystal beams when they get going. Glacial glare pom scaling is 🔥

Just killed EM4 in less than a minute with this insane run. 6 casts, 10 seconds of glacial glare. Game damn near crashed with 20+ beams all over the place

[forest marsh]

It's such a fun meme build

[gusty rapids]

m e m e
b e a m

[willow haven]

lmfao how do you use cold embrace

look at me, i'm the enemy now

[forest marsh]

Mostly you don't

[gusty rapids]

the best ive seen it work is on talos fists

u just punchy punchy and the beams will follow u and hit enemies

try to get the enemy btwn you and cast

[willow haven]

it's a duo lmfao

[flat garden]

cold embrace only works if youre doing close range combat

and even then it's pretty bad

[rare kindle]

I saw speedrunner during hermes cup use cold embrace

but you really need to work those angles

much easier to just do crystal clarity

[willow haven]

it's so bad

[graceful nebula]

Anyone have an opinion of the best spear builds? I maxed out Guan Yuan and I'm still struggling to complete even the most basic of runs on any spear so far.

And yet sword, shield, fists and rail are in the 10+ heat right now.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

[willow haven]

guan yu is based on special

the punishing sweep thingy relies heavily on hammer upgrade

achilles(?) is usually cast based

[graceful nebula]

On guan yu I'm always focused on increasing distance and speed. But I always find myself dying from the lack of health, or just not getting enough damage output like my other go to builds on my other weapons. It just feels like the weakest weapon by far

Or maybe I've just been unlucky

[willow haven]

hmm you shouldn't have any problem staying away from enemies and using special

maybe try using poseidon special?

[graceful nebula]

It's the one spear I haven't bothered to unlock yet

I've been using base, guan yu, and hades

[willow haven]

yes, that's what i meant

use posiedon special with guan yu

[graceful nebula]

With knockback?

[willow haven]

ye

[graceful nebula]

Any duo boon recommendations?

[stable sigil]

With poseidon special sea storm is always good

[graceful nebula]

Is that with zeus?

[willow haven]

artemis/zeus

yeah

[graceful nebula]

So poseidon on special, Artemis (regular attack?) And zeus possibly on call to unlock sea storm? And hammer upgrades increased range/speed?

[willow haven]

don't bother with attack upgrades

the sequence takes a year to finish

[graceful nebula]

Lol fair enough

Any dash recommendations?

[willow haven]

probably athena

safest

[stable sigil]

You can do Athena on attack as well and then hide in the spin

[graceful nebula]

She's typically my first go to

[obsidian kite]

you're not gonna be using the attack sequence but you should pretty much always have a spin attack out

[graceful nebula]

Oh that's an idea

[obsidian kite]

so attack upgrades are still good

[willow haven]

yeah if it's the heavy attack thingy then that's pretty good

[graceful nebula]

Should I bother with cast?

[obsidian kite]

either stick a status that combos well with your other stuff or use a high damage boon

cast is pretty ignorable with Guan Yu

[graceful nebula]

Not even a demeter in case for a last minute crystal spam?

[obsidian kite]

but something that applies status is always useful to make it easier to keep Privileged Status up

demeter is good b/c you can shoot and then forget about it

[willow haven]

just get zeus on cast to finish the duo

[graceful nebula]

Oh that's another idea

[obsidian kite]

I just finished a Guan Yu run and I didn't even have a cast until Styx lol

(Artemis/Aphrodite w/ Heart rend was my main build)

[graceful nebula]

Usually when you want it

[willow haven]

you just become spear dispenser

heart rend is so pog

i hit 4k crit with arthur today

[obsidian kite]

I find the most important thing to get with Guan Yu is the fast charge hammer

by far

[willow haven]

ye

[obsidian kite]

lets you shoot off max spin attacks way easier

[willow haven]

it's good on almost every spear

[obsidian kite]

should help you stay alive

[graceful nebula]

About to start a run

[obsidian kite]

the one that makes you sturdy is also good but less necessary

[willow haven]

good luck

[obsidian kite]

gl

[graceful nebula]

I hope poisedon doesn't decides to become a meme and give me that fishing boon

[willow haven]

make sure to go for the epic boon thingy in mirror upgrades

[obsidian kite]

anyone wanna submit a 11 heat run to the challenge so I don't have to jump a heat level lol

[willow haven]

hmm i could do it for you

[flat garden]

well just dont pick up the prerequisites for that haha

[forest marsh]

I would but I can't barrel roll myself

[graceful nebula]

Charged skewer, breaching skewer or winged serpent for my first hammer?

Thinking breached

[obsidian kite]

I like winged serpent personally

I find myself taking armor hammers less and less

since they don't do anything vs bosses

[graceful nebula]

This is no heat

So I doubt I'll need armor that much anyways

[obsidian kite]

charged is also good if you get a % boon on your special

works fine with Poseidon

[desert cypress]

Hey lads, I did the talentless run.

[graceful nebula]

Managed to get sea storm

Still before any mid boss in the 2nd area

[desert cypress]

That's a great duo

One of my favourites

[graceful nebula]

I lost

At 3rd boss

Athena on dash just couldn't stop me from losing what little health I had left

I had attack speed and special speed. Faster spin dash and extended spin. And sea storm early on

With jolted and rupture abilities

[desert cypress]

Damn

[graceful nebula]

Guan yu just sucks

[desert cypress]

Challenge run?

[graceful nebula]

Nope no heat

[desert cypress]

Ah

[graceful nebula]

I just can't win with the spear

[desert cypress]

That's ok

[limber cloak]

wait, how is FoxHope's run allowed on the barrel roll challenge

[graceful nebula]

I'm on 10+ heat with every other weapon

[limber cloak]

he did the same heat as the previous person, and did not have a lower clear time

[desert cypress]

Because FoxHope is cool

[forest marsh]

You can submit a run even if it isn't valid, it just doesn't "count"

[graceful nebula]

shakes fist at supergiant

Buff this damn pointy stick

[desert cypress]

Yo wight wassup

[limber cloak]

shouldnt it be removed from the spreadsheet then

hmm

[forest marsh]

Eh, that's up to the organizers to decide

[fair cairn]

hidden spear clear at no heat shouldnt be a problem

[forest marsh]

And I believe Nyaa already said they would stay

[fair cairn]

unless you dont even have it at max rank

[graceful nebula]

It's at max rank

[fair cairn]

play it as a bow

build around special

[desert cypress]

Hey wight I did a boonless and talentless run today

[graceful nebula]

I did

[fair cairn]

poseidon works well on it

[limber cloak]

brb gonna do a 40 min zag sword run then lol

[forest marsh]

Congrats @desert cypress that's huge!

[limber cloak]

wait, both at the same time?

or different runs

[desert cypress]

Different runs

[graceful nebula]

I did poseidon special + sea storm

[limber cloak]

oh, still huge though yeah

[graceful nebula]

Had speed boost on special

[desert cypress]

There's no way I could've done both at once

[forest marsh]

I have done neither of those things

[desert cypress]

But I'll try

[forest marsh]

Also haven't tried, to be fair

[limber cloak]

i wanna do a boonless run soon

maybe ill do it with arthur

[desert cypress]

You should try, both of you

[limber cloak]

even though i suck at arthur

[graceful nebula]

With rupture and jolted boons (also lightning strikes hitting twice).

I was just too squishy and the spear just wasn't doing enough damage

[desert cypress]

I did boonless on my second try, talentless on my third try

[graceful nebula]

Any other good guan yu tips?

Or builds?

[desert cypress]

Don't stand around

[limber cloak]

a fun build with guan yu (if you dont get good special hammers/boons) is to get athena attack, then just stand in your spin circle

and watch things deflect around you

[desert cypress]

Or do that

[graceful nebula]

But I do find the appeal of standing and dying very appealing.

[desert cypress]

That works too

Me too bud

[graceful nebula]

I'll try Athena on attack next I guess

[limber cloak]

stand in your spin circle, and try to get massive spin or quick spin as your hammers

[violet pecan]

if you're just trying to get an escape with any spear aspect achilles is way easier imo

[limber cloak]

quick spin is better, if you get both at the same time

[desert cypress]

Hades is my favourite

[limber cloak]

oh yeah, defo^^

[forest marsh]

That said I don't think you should knowingly submit an invalid run

[limber cloak]

yeah yeah im not going to

[graceful nebula]

I had quick spin last time with the extension hammer boon

[desert cypress]

I did by accident last night

[graceful nebula]

But nothing was on it

So quick spin + bigger spin + Athena I guess?

[desert cypress]

Well not by accident, wightfyre just beat me to the punch

[limber cloak]

yep^^

[graceful nebula]

Should I continue trying to go for sea storm special?

It's not really doing enough damage

[limber cloak]

sea storm on spear?

i wouldnt recommend you to

[graceful nebula]

Poseidon + zeus duo

With poseidon on special

[limber cloak]

nah

dont think thats worth it

[graceful nebula]

I don't think so either

[limber cloak]

zeus lightning is only good on weapons that hit fast

spear special doesnt hit fast

[willow haven]

there u go

[graceful nebula]

What should I focus on for attack power then?

Just Athena + exposed when deflected?

[willow haven]

i wonder how busted ice wine would've been with 2 more casts

[desert cypress]

Nice run Sabita

[willow haven]

aye he's having trouble maintaining distance

[desert cypress]

You're now number 1

Sorry

Mistyped

[willow haven]

[limber cloak]

he should take pos dash then lol

[desert cypress]

Yikes

[willow haven]

it's guan yu

[graceful nebula]

I managed ice wine + the lightning/poison duo on my shield hidden aspect run once. The damage output was INSANE

[desert cypress]

I'm really good at making typos that drastically change a sentence

[graceful nebula]

One full on hit to Hades was about a third of his health

[willow haven]

lol

how many casts did you have

[graceful nebula]

5

[willow haven]

game apparently hates me

[graceful nebula]

I was super lucky that run

[willow haven]

max i've gotten was 3

[graceful nebula]

Lol

Darn

[desert cypress]

Guys gimme a challenge

[graceful nebula]

Can't send Disney hades two thumbs up gif

[desert cypress]

F

[willow haven]

disable mirror of night upgrades

[desert cypress]

I already did that

Today

[coral cave]

63 heat boonless

[flat garden]

one thing i'd really like is the ability to disable aspect upgrades

[willow haven]

[graceful nebula]

Guan yu. No mirror of night upgrades

[willow haven]

he asked for a challenge

not suicide

[desert cypress]

I don't wanna do no mirror again

[graceful nebula]

Ask he shall relieve

[coral cave]

a challenge is a challenge

[desert cypress]

It hurt me inside

I also did boonless today

[willow haven]

i honestly like the no mirror and ap

[desert cypress]

But not 63 heat

[coral cave]

hades spear special only 32 heat

[violet pecan]

no dash run

[desert cypress]

I can't even do 32 heat normally

No dash just sounds painful

1 dash is painful as it is

[willow haven]

how do you live with no dash

[coral cave]

no dash runs are practically impossible since there are some chambers in styx that you have to dash over

and it also means no eurydice

[desert cypress]

Gimme a good challenge

[honest wing]

how about max heat

[desert cypress]

No

[willow haven]

hmm attack only guan yu

[coral cave]

hades spear special only

any heat

[desert cypress]

Why hades spear specifically

[coral cave]

because every other spear has good specials

[desert cypress]

Oh come on

[coral cave]

you asked for a challenge

[desert cypress]

I know but

That's just bad

[graceful nebula]

Don't make me come up with something even worse

Chaos shield. But you can't use your bull rush.

[coral cave]

hestia special only

[desert cypress]

Ew

[flat garden]

this is just zag shield without upgrades

[desert cypress]

That gets rid of all the fun of hestia

I still want to enjoy myself guys

[coral cave]

poseidon attack only

[graceful nebula]

[honest wing]

lucifer attack or special only?

[desert cypress]

No

I don't like lucifer

[flat garden]

lucifer special only

[coral cave]

TD3 with CP2

[flat garden]

the slowest run known to man

[flat garden]

and DC2

[desert cypress]

I said I want to have fun

[coral cave]

and JS3

[graceful nebula]

How about rail + poseidon boons only.

[desert cypress]

Yes

[coral cave]

zag rail arte attack onl

[desert cypress]

Good challenge

Or is it a challenge

I dunno

But I'll do it anyway

[coral cave]

its challenging

[graceful nebula]

You have to sell any other gods boons

[coral cave]

but not fun

[graceful nebula]

Well is okay

[flat garden]

im gonna try out lucifer special only later

sounds like it would be a disaster

[desert cypress]

Sounds like pain

Eh, whatever. I'm just gonna do some prophecy dedicated runs.

[obsidian kite]

thx

[desert cypress]

Have a good night, or day. Whatever.

[willow haven]

29 minutes

[obsidian kite]

I did a ton of troves lol

[willow haven]

my first run was 29 minutes and i don't remember a run exceeding 25

most are sub 20

[honest wing]

ooh what is the longest run in existence

[willow haven]

it can be prolonged as much as possible so

no point

[desert cypress]

Pointless

Bye bye lads

I'm off

[obsidian kite]

spear is my second slowest weapon just ahead of bow

[honest wing]

I've only ever cleared one run with the spear

[flat garden]

i think spear used to be one of my favourites

before i switched sides to the ultimate weapon, the bow

[willow haven]

my pb was on spear with the fast and spready attacks

then came rama

[obsidian kite]

I ought to have a faster bow time, but it's also very safe so I pretty much always do troves with bow

[willow haven]

idk if i can go lower than 12mins

[obsidian kite]

maybe the next time my clear streak breaks I'll do some fast runs to see how fast I can go

although I might still keep EM3 up, I would probably be slower if I switched it back to default Theseus lol

[cunning urchin]

We have a boonless, a mirrorless, and a boonless + mirrorless category on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies. Leaderboard starts at 32.

[graceful nebula]

I just had a crazy build with cold embrace, part shot and heart read on my aspect of nemesis

[coarse moss]

not if you get triple bomb

[limber cloak]

if you like cold embrace, you should try getting crystal clarity (dem+arty) sometime @graceful nebula

insane meme beam potential there

[honest wing]

my first lucifer build was a triple bomb artemis

[coarse moss]

sounds like you decimated that run

[rare kayak]

yknow

i really dont think ive ever seen the asterios tag team

is it em off only?

[coral cave]

Ye

[rare kayak]

that explains it

[coarse moss]

i guess it could happen if you destroy chariot first

[jaunty locust]

I'm just popping in because I had a spectacularly fun build, which was achilles aspect, level 9 crystal beam (18 damage), caustic shot +50, cold embrace, parting shot, and epic ravenous will

so that's 18 plus (150+50+30+35+30+85+14+40) if they had two curses on them and I was backstabbing them, which is 78 a tick, which is 234 when all three were down, which means my DPS was around 1170, which I'm pretty okay with.

[viral star]

KILL

BUT LIKE. VERY INTENSE. KILL

[coarse moss]

murrr...murrderr

[jaunty locust]

Granted, “two curses + backstab with all three crystals down” wasnt... FREQUENT

[devout trellis]

is gilgamesh a one point wonder or does it need heavy investment?

[half crater]

opinions vary as to how worth it the maim is, so who knows

[slim lynx]

the maim certainly does fat damage at max

[half crater]

true, but it’s not like Chiron or Hestia where the aspect just doesn’t function at level 1

[slim lynx]

yeah i mean it's not like you're gonna be using maim only for the damage regardless

[coarse moss]

at max, maim =400 damage, takes 4 secs. so its 100 damage in 1 sec. that's same as epic Doom

but yeah gilgamesh is good without levels in it

with max level it can kill skelly the fastest of all aspect i believe

[half crater]

surely it can’t kill skelly faster than hestia

[proven osprey]

it can

[coarse moss]

it can do 150 damage in 2 swipes

[proven osprey]

Just pick Eris buff yourself switch to gilgamesh

done

[cloud vault]

Wonder if hades Spear flat out kills skelly fastest

150% damage boost is something

[coarse moss]

hmm if spear damage is about 30, thats about 75. same damage as maimed gil attack. but without the maim's end damage

[half crater]

thing is, i’m pretty sure hestia can kill skelly in less than 4 seconds

meaning the maim damage is irrelevant

[coarse moss]

im not sure. can it?

[half crater]

guess i’m firing up the game lol

[coarse moss]

hehe i'd love to know

[half crater]

i could be wrong, but it’s certainly pretty fast

[cloud vault]

I guess you take boiling blood, shackle and shadow presence

High confidence lol

[half crater]

yup

[coarse moss]

oh yeah, i wasnt thinking about backstabs and cast lodge

just pure frontal damage

[half crater]

even with frontal damage hestia does it pretty fast iirc

anyway imma test

just had to reboot my computer because it was being weird lol

yeah okay i was think of shackle hestia, which kills skelly in three shots (or two shots and 1 cast with all the buffs active)

which absolutely smashes gilgamesh, which kills skelly in 1 special and 7 attacks with just shackle (or 1 cast 1 special and 4 attacks with all the buffs active)

[cloud vault]

Can you test hades spear

I guess Arthur could be a contender too lol

[coarse moss]

rama with powershots too maybe lol

[cloud vault]

Too slow

[half crater]

looks like it does it in about 1 spin and 9 attacks (or 1 and 7)

it’s attacks are faster, but i think it’s still slower than gilg

[cloud vault]

Arthur?

[half crater]

hades

[cloud vault]

Boiling blood, dash behind Skelly, combo

Dash attack through Skelly better to say lol

I mean if we're just timing which weapon can kill skely the fastest starting from right in front of him

[half crater]

yeah arthur’s pretty fast

one combo kills him with all the buffs

[cloud vault]

Yeah 3rd swing is a beast

[half crater]

boiling blood actually slows you down

it’s still three sword hits either way

[cloud vault]

Ah

Third swing backstab damage?

600?

More with HC

[half crater]

it’s 550 with HC

due to additive % stacking i think

[cloud vault]

Still pretty hilarious

[half crater]

indeed lol

[cloud vault]

Let me just combo you for 1000 damage

Right out the gate

[half crater]

yup lmao

i wonder how viable arthur is for boonless runs

[cloud vault]

Pretty

You have the best EHP

[proven osprey]

have you tried black shawl at skelly

or it would not work

[cloud vault]

Shackle is way more damage

[proven osprey]

yeah but it's cheating

[half crater]

how is shackle cheating and black shawl not

[cloud vault]

Define cheating

[proven osprey]

lmao

[half crater]

i think hestia is still fastest

[proven osprey]

yeah right

[half crater]

just by feel

i don’t have a way to accurate time this

[cloud vault]

Phone stopwatch

[half crater]

that’s still probably not gonna be super accurate if it’s close

but sure

[cloud vault]

So long as every weapon you test has the same parameters

[half crater]

lol switching between starting the time and properly imputing a gilgamesh dash upper without taking extra time took me like 5 tries

The leaderboard:

1. Hestia: 2.17
2. Arthur: 2.42
3. Rama: 2.71
4. Gilgamesh: 3.56
5. Hades: 4.02

i could do all the weapons but i’m lazy

To be clear, these times are all use High Confidence, Boiling Blood, Shadow Presence and the Shackle (with the exception of Arthur where using the cast actually slows you down)

[proven osprey]

can you try GY max spin

[cloud vault]

Nice work

Arthur quite good

[coarse moss]

very interesting. thanks for the test

[half crater]

sure one sec

3.90

[proven osprey]

Interesting

[half crater]

3.62 if you just attack tho

[coarse moss]

guess GY really needs that hammer

[cloud vault]

Ooh

Aspect of Baj?

Throw shield, cast, attack?

[proven osprey]

Yeah makes sense since the attack is budget Arthur

[half crater]

aspect of baj is gonna be more dependent on how much the micro is maximized

which i will probably not do perfectly

[cloud vault]

Give it a few tries 😁

Boiling blood and shield is a lot of damage with shackle

I guess regular attacks do more dps than dash strike

[proven osprey]

Is your arthur optimized tho? @half crater

[coarse moss]

if skelly had more health we could better estimate dps over many rotation cycles

[proven osprey]

With the dash strike cancel thing

[cloud vault]

I have a feeling Baj Shield could be around 2.1 to 2.5

[half crater]

fastest i'm getting with Baj is 3.24

[cloud vault]

Damn

[half crater]

but i'm definitely not sure i'm doing it right lol

[cloud vault]

We need the man himself

[half crater]

wait you can attack faster if you do it right or something?

[proven osprey]

you can make the third strike earlier

[half crater]

huh

[proven osprey]

but idk if that matters

[cloud vault]

It might

[proven osprey]

full combo might be more damage

[devout trellis]

What’s the best cast right now

[proven osprey]

depends if its overkill or not

[cloud vault]

Best for what aspect?

I think there's a case for all of them

[half crater]

wait so how do you make the 3rd strike earlier?

[devout trellis]

Assuming achellis

[half crater]

i am not well versed in arthur lol

[cloud vault]

Slicing Shot or maybe crush shot

Ohok how are you starting the test?

[spiral badge]

Achilles does good things for Zeus on the other end of the damage pool

[half crater]

i just stood behind skelly and did the combo

[cloud vault]

Ah

[proven osprey]

wish we had the clip from the russian guy

Idk how to explain when not in game

[cloud vault]

Ask peach

[spiral badge]

And Achilles and hunting blades is a World Ender @devout trellis

[proven osprey]

Not sure Peach uses it

[cloud vault]

Peach head?

[proven osprey]

yeah

[cloud vault]

Isn't he the Arthur guy

[proven osprey]

Sure

[half crater]

i would've thought he'd know all the arthur strats at this point

[proven osprey]

But his dps rotation is amazing and I'm not sure the trick I mentionned is combat proof

[half crater]

ah

[devout trellis]

World ended? Which dou boon is that?

[proven osprey]

Like Peach uses a mix of dash strikes and double dash, reposition in the back etc

[spiral badge]

World ender as in game breakingingly powerful

Because the Achilles buff will apply to every one of your hunting blade casts for their entire duration

[cloud vault]

Hunting Blades, vicious cycle

[spiral badge]

Which is a very nasty little trick indeed

^^^^

[half crater]

yeah hunting blades achilles is tried and true

[cloud vault]

The keepsake boosts your chances of getting higher rarity

This extends to duo and legendary right?

I know the 'find next boon' is a one off

[spiral badge]

Yes

[slim lynx]

i wanna try hunting blades once i finally have to do spear 32 heat

[spiral badge]

I have for sure seen that mentioned specifically in the speed run ‘cord

[half crater]

can confirm hunting blades achilles carried me through spear 32

[slim lynx]

which arty boon "complements" hunting blades the most if i'm using achilles?

[spiral badge]

Pp?

[coarse moss]

curse of drowning achilles is lots of fun too

[half crater]

PP is good but isn't a prereq for the duo

[spiral badge]

Does support fire proc?

[half crater]

you want the attack

[spiral badge]

On the blades?

Ohhhh as a prereq

[half crater]

support fire procs when you fire the casts, not every time they hit sadly

[spiral badge]

I thought you just meant best accessory boon

[slim lynx]

curse of drowning feels very bad to use

[proven osprey]

oh it's sad

[half crater]

its not the worst to have tho, since if you have it and PP you qualify for fully loaded

[proven osprey]

GY spin with support fire is amazing

[slim lynx]

pressure points would go really well with hunting blades though but i'll go for attack so i can actually get hunting blades lol

[spiral badge]

Indeed. Prereqs first

[cloud vault]

Deadly strike is a build of its own on Achilles with flurry

[vale imp]

Curse of Drowning is great once you get used to how it works

and it works great on Achilles

[slim lynx]

if i was using gy i'd be pretty much forced to take off hl5, which on one hand is nice because i'd be taking less damage but on the other hand that's -5 heat

[spiral badge]

PP/MT feels like it would be A Thing with hunting blades

[slim lynx]

5 heat which i'd have to be using other conditions to fill in

[cloud vault]

HL5 is pretty hard

[half crater]

GY with HL5 isn't the worst thing you can do

[cloud vault]

Depending on other pacts

[half crater]

if you can do it with FO0 it's actually alright

[cloud vault]

Yeah I always have Fo2 so I'm skewed against HL

[half crater]

fair

[cloud vault]

One or the other, not so bad

Both together my god

[half crater]

indeed

i've been forcing myself to do both for a lot of my 40s (partly because there's little other choice) and boy is it harsh sometimes

[slim lynx]

hl5 is double damage which can be sort of mitigated thanks to aphrodite and fo2 is more hits to me

aphrodite would still help but certainly not quite as much

[half crater]

aphrodite good

[cloud vault]

Based Aphrodite goddess of EHP

[spiral badge]

Aphrodite is so busted among the pantheon when you think about it 🙈

Her kit is just so damn good in such a variety of ways

[slim lynx]

a part of me want to take off td3 but i really don't wanna turn on the other pacts

[spiral badge]

I struggle with td3 too

[slim lynx]

calisthenics is terrible and damage control is just no (atleast since i'm using arthur)

[spiral badge]

It’s such a big jump from 7m to 5

[cloud vault]

You can do Td2 and js3

Some aspects that's easier than TD3 I think

[slim lynx]

td3 isn't too bad, i just need decent dps

[spiral badge]

Does TD and JS ever mix in the opinion of the court

[vale imp]

JS will just make the rooms take longer to clear tbh

[slim lynx]

which i did not have in my previous attempt despite having heartbreak flourish, greater consecration, empty inside and heart rend

[cloud vault]

Up to Td2 and JS3 yeah

If you're doing TD3 JS3 you're on like 50 heat

Or 45, maybe

[spiral badge]

Lol. Is 1 or 2 liveable with td3?

[slim lynx]

is there a limit for damage reduction? like can i reduce the damage i take by only so much?

[cloud vault]

You can do TD3 JS3 just fine it's just hard

[vale imp]

depends on the build i guess

can you kill 1 enemy per second basically

[slim lynx]

i had abyssal blood, maxed arthur and weak and hades' skulls still dealt 30 damage

[spiral badge]

Wherever that limit is spammy if you want to get theoretical about it it’s gotta be pretty damn far down there

[vale imp]

that's my general rule of thumb to see if a build is good enough for TD3

[spiral badge]

Thank you @vale imp

Though thinking on it % stacking going down may act differently than going up

There may indeed be an effective floor somewhere

[slim lynx]

that should be well over 100% damage reduction but i still took chunky hits, unless hard labour is additive which may be a good enough explanation

[vale imp]

i think its on the wiki actually

i'm gonna check

[spiral badge]

Yeah you’re right, something doesn’t add up there

[vale imp]

"Damage reductions are multiplicative. Example: a player has the following sources of damage reductions:

10% from Bronze Skin
30% from a Rank 3 Myrmidon Bracer

The player will take (1 - 10%) × (1 - 30%) = 63% damage from foes. It is a 37% damage reduction.

The theorical maximum can reach near 95% damage reduction. "

[spiral badge]

They have to stack it differently for reducing damage

[vale imp]

from the wiki

[spiral badge]

There we go

Thank you

[vale imp]

i've found that most of the behind the scenes calculations are on the wiki

just a matter of finding them

[slim lynx]

well that doesn't matter (too much) now because unsurprisingly, building on being tanky as possible doesn't work well on td3 and i died from hades' attack anyways because i somehow got hit by literally all of them

[vale imp]

Dodging>Tankiness

[slim lynx]

i might try going aspect of poseidon this time

the main issue though is this game is totally obsessed with giving me the wrong hammers

if i equip aspect of zagreus, it gives me special hammers

[vale imp]

You don't really need any hammers on Poseidon thankfully

[slim lynx]

if i equip poseidon, it gives me not only just attack hammers, it gives me the worst ones

[coral cave]

dash nova poseidon

pain

[slim lynx]

dash nova is overall just why

you get literally the same effect from special>dash

you might as well be using dash to cursor

[flat garden]

idk what's good hammers for poseidon

apart from the two i can think of

which are the novas that aren't dash

[slim lynx]

double nova and super nova

[flat garden]

yeah those

[slim lynx]

i don't think poseidon has any good hammers aside from those

cursed slash damn sure isn't gonna work on poseidon if you're rarely gonna use attack

[coarse moss]

double edge

i ended up with curse of drowning with poseidon. since it dont lodge anyway, i use it like a melee weapon. double edge. big synergy with the aspect, but it slaps. and spamming curse of drowning is almost 100% cast uptime

[robust anchor]

double edge probably best hammer on sword

[dense ginkgo]

This is my first time talking in this channel
what keepsake do I choose for zag malphon if I am trying to win the game?

specifically lv1 zag if it somehow matters

[robust anchor]

ares or zeus and get the attack

athena also good

[dense ginkgo]

also are there specific mirror upgrades I should choose or just use what I wanna use?

[slim lynx]

curse of agony + divine flourish (to get ME) + divine dash + merciful end

[robust anchor]

yes just pick what you’re comfortable with

[dense ginkgo]

btw 5 heat

[flat garden]

lambent plume to get those additional dodge chances

[dense ginkgo]

cuz hell mode

[slim lynx]

boiling blood is good so you can deal more damage without relying on cast whatsoever

[dense ginkgo]

I don't quickly clear encounters

I take them slow

[slim lynx]

abyssal blood helps if you still take a lot of hits

[dense ginkgo]

I don't seem to have that??

are you not talking keepsakes?

[slim lynx]

those are mirror talents

[dense ginkgo]

oh

[slim lynx]

do you not know about the green upgrades

[dense ginkgo]

I don't have any name memorized

I have 11145 dark

[honest wing]

hey

I use dash to cursor

[dense ginkgo]

what an interesting choice

I think it's a horrible idea
but you do you

[honest wing]

it's difficult while using gun or bow

but usually fine

might try switching it up

[robust anchor]

just do whatever you want and if you die just try again

everyone will give 10000000 pieces of advice youll never know who is right

[dense ginkgo]

yeah why aren't there pins of builds

[coral cave]

all personal opinion

[robust anchor]

#h1-for-new-players

its pinned here

you can look at leaderboard pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[dense ginkgo]

but it's a newbie guide

[robust anchor]

it shows videos of people winning and you can copy what they do

[dense ginkgo]

which implies playing badly

[robust anchor]

no

[slim lynx]

32 heat
"implies playing badly"

[dense ginkgo]

not to the heat thing spammy

to the newbie guide

[robust anchor]

it works on low and high heat

[dense ginkgo]

if it's for noobs, it's intended for people that have less skill

[robust anchor]

it implies playing well

:///////

its the most effective strategy for those weapons

[dense ginkgo]

do you agree spammy? what about you artemis?

[slim lynx]

newbie guides absolutely don't imply playing badly, that's the opposite of what they're meant for

[coral cave]

exactly

[slim lynx]

i don't even understand what you're going at, it sounds like you're just gatekeeping

[coral cave]

you see the word newbie and instantly think its bad

have you tried actually reading the guide

[flat garden]

if it's a guide for playing badly then why was it even suggested it at all...

[coral cave]

exactly

[slim lynx]

like of course you're not gonna be playing insanely well if you're new

[flat garden]

newbie guides are to guide you into getting better at the game

[dense ginkgo]

I think you guys think I meant something other than I did but it might be hard to explaim

I am reading it now

[flat garden]

it doesnt nanny you around your initially "bad" playstyle

[slim lynx]

do you just see someone play hades for the first time in their life, die in tartarus and say "wow they suck"?

[dense ginkgo]

no

and I don't gatekeep

[flat garden]

and anyway, builds really depends on your specific playstyle and what you like

unless its at really high heat

where only certain weapons seem to get used because they're more viable at those difficulties

[dense ginkgo]

according to the guide, it's probably a good idea to use athena's keepsake?

stubborn defiance is only ever good if you never die to certain rooms (minibosses, bosses, etc.) more than once, right?
otherwise DD is what you should choose?

[coral cave]

SD is good for high heat where you have a much higher chance of getting hit

DD is good for lower heat where your chances of dying in rooms are much lower

[dense ginkgo]

with me on minimum hell mode heat

[coarse moss]

in super high heat you have 0 healing except to die in rooms and trigger stubbron defiance

[slim lynx]

athena is good for high heats where sd is also gonna be important

if you lose an sd, and then get a dd boon from athena then you not only get a divine defiance from athena but you also get your sd back alongside it

you can also get another +1 dd from athena by repeating those steps which lands you at stubborn defiance + 2 death defiances

[flat garden]

is it a dd?

[dense ginkgo]

the order of defiance loss is whichever you earned last right?
so to have a defiance be lost AFTER losing SD requires already losing SD in the room that you get the DD?

[flat garden]

i thought it was just an extra sd

[proven osprey]

it's a DD

works once

[slim lynx]

yea, exactly

[flat garden]

huh.

[proven osprey]

it's like a backup

[flat garden]

well to be fair i have gotten it before but i never end up actually using it

[slim lynx]

having 2 uses of stubborn defiance totally isn't potentially overpowered

[proven osprey]

Usually saving it to Hades is not too hard

[dense ginkgo]

now, do I do persuasion or authority rerolls?

[flat garden]

nah i mean the health regen

it resets it to 50% or 30%?

[dense ginkgo]

30% I think

but I am on hell mode lol

[proven osprey]

30% if SD 50 if DD

More with Last Stand of course

[slim lynx]

persuasion is very very important for making cohesive builds and getting dds from athena but authority can be used to collect centaur hearts and potentially the same thing as persuasion

[flat garden]

yeah i was talking about the defiance athena gives you with 0 sd left, sorry if that wasnt very clear haha

[dense ginkgo]

so is authority better if I take more damage, persuasion to ensure builds are more cohesive?

I guess I'll take persuasion

[slim lynx]

if you're using sd at high heats touch of styx dark from patty is a must-have, especially since it lasts through styx if you get a 2-sack

[flat garden]

i once got touches of styx that let me regen 100% of my health back once

felt pretty good

dark from patty and 2 from charon's well

[dense ginkgo]

I have ONLY max DD, how much dark should I leave after persuasion?
or should I just do persuasion last?

[honest wing]

dude

dashes

helth

[dense ginkgo]

I'll just do persuasion last

[proven osprey]

@dense ginkgo Persuasion is a very powerful way to control your build, ie rolls for duo is much better than hoping for a god to show up again

[honest wing]

yea

[dense ginkgo]

fiery or shadow damage boost?

[proven osprey]

I mean I used authority once to get a full aphro build and I just wasted rolls for nothing

[dense ginkgo]

I would think fiery on low heat

[proven osprey]

dunno how it was hyped once

[dense ginkgo]

though I am using malphon

so maybe I shouldn't expect OHKOs

so should I do shadow?

[slim lynx]

can't you just reset the mirror then proceed to max out everything you want?

shadow is generally better than fiery

[proven osprey]

Yeah imo

especially if you're playing demeter

75% first hit is not gonna matter

[slim lynx]

fiery presence is even less effective against armored foes

[dense ginkgo]

I think fiery is better afaik if you expect to OHKO, atleast unarmored foes

[proven osprey]

on fists in general

[dense ginkgo]

but fists yeah dumb

[slim lynx]

you can very rarely even get oneshots to begin with

[dense ginkgo]

ruthless reflex is worse than its counterpart right?
2 dashes essential?

[slim lynx]

ruthless has potential but greater is more safe to use

[spiral badge]

Ruthless is off limits until you’re into the deeeeep end of the skill and difficulty pool

[proven osprey]

2 dashes is mandatory yeah

[spiral badge]

2 dashes is very powerful

[coarse moss]

unless you gilgamesh

[dense ginkgo]

abyssal blood is just bad
right?

[spiral badge]

This is the sole exception. Run Ruthless on Gilga 100% of the time

[proven osprey]

The problem with one dash is that it's not simply one less. It means your dash is either defensive or offensive. That alone will either slow you down or take risks.

[coarse moss]

30% slow is not bad at all

[spiral badge]

I don’t know if bad is the word

But 50% offensively will generally treat you better

In the majority of situations

[coral cave]

its not bad but boiling is just better

[slim lynx]

abyssal is nice if you get hit and take damage often but boiling is probably much more effective most of the time

[dense ginkgo]

like I wouldn't ever imagine me taking abyssal
artemis this is what I meant

[spiral badge]

I wonder what abyssal and 10 stacks of demeter look like lol

[coarse moss]

boiling blood only affects attack and special. if your damage come from elsewhere like cast builds, abyssal is pretty nice

[dense ginkgo]

stopped lol

[slim lynx]

stationary enemies

[spiral badge]

And the dio t2 for kicks and giggles

[dense ginkgo]

lmao

[spiral badge]

And Arthur

ZA WARUDO

[slim lynx]

i should actually consider taking abyssal next time i use poseidon

[coarse moss]

might help you survive em4 on fo2

[spiral badge]

lol indeed

[dense ginkgo]

stygian soul renders the thing just above it useless right?
and is infernal just better?

[spiral badge]

They go back and forth

Stygian has a higher ceiling

Infernal is generally more consistent

[dense ginkgo]

if you choose stygian soul they can't get stuck in enemies though right?

[spiral badge]

No I think they still can?

[dense ginkgo]

I used to use stygian for a while

[proven osprey]

they still get stuck

[spiral badge]

They just don’t spawn after the effect ends

[dense ginkgo]

wait what?

[spiral badge]

For pickup

Yeah

[slim lynx]

stygian is worse at base but if you get stuff like chaos grasp and fully loaded it can be leagues better than infernal

[dense ginkgo]

oh huh

[spiral badge]

Yeah

[proven osprey]

so stygian is still good for boiling blood

[spiral badge]

Stygian’s power cap goes way higher

But it’s RNG to get it to perform

whereas infernal will always be +3 rain or shine

[slim lynx]

stygian can also be in general a better choice for certain builds, such as beowulf trippy flare

[spiral badge]

Indeed

Stygian is more rewarding in many cases for the “cast loading” aspects

[dense ginkgo]

golden touch is for titan blood farming right (I think that's what the blood is called)?
and use deep pockets most any other situation?

[spiral badge]

Yes

100%

Think of golden touch and the mirror perk that grants extra boon rooms as your farming switches

You can toggle them on and off for more farming or better runs

also FA for farming frankly

I forget who had that idea in here but it was a touch of genius lol

meta resource farming*

[dense ginkgo]

thick skin unless you're a god at avoiding damage?
usually I don't get hit but man some specific enemy combinations just destroy me
specifically the witch circle for example

[proven osprey]

If you farm darkness it'll be better to keep Dark foresight and just get quick runs

[spiral badge]

high confidence is like ruthless reflex

Off limits until much later

[proven osprey]

nah High confidence is usable

[spiral badge]

But min max farming astaos 🙈

[slim lynx]

high confidence is good for butterfly runs

[proven osprey]

high confidence is good for speedruns too

Almost no one uses ruthless

[spiral badge]

Fair. It’s probably more useful for longer range weapons. Does what it says on the label really. If you’re confident in yourself, it is a boost

[proven osprey]

Unless very specific strats

[dense ginkgo]

Family favorite seems better than relying on statuses right?
or if you're using builds is statuses often?

[spiral badge]

I run PS exclusively

[proven osprey]

It's usually better yeah

[spiral badge]

The only thing I take it off for is artemis builds

And that’s it

[frail schooner]

ruthless beo meta

[spiral badge]

Because artemis curse doodoo for PS activation

[frail schooner]

Like 70% of the game is artemis

[spiral badge]

I mean, you’re not wrong

[dense ginkgo]

what are anyone else's thoughts?
FF or PS?

I would think FF

[frail schooner]

FF pretty much always

[honest wing]

I mean that's the only thing that I change regularly

[coarse moss]

agree with using FF if artemis, otherwise us PS

[honest wing]

I use artemis quite often and you cant do PS with that

yup

[dense ginkgo]

I am doing olympian favor just to increase chance of darkness, since I still need a lot
not changing my mind on that unless you're REALLY convincing

as in, not decrease
cuz it itself doesn't increase dark chance

[spiral badge]

between you me and a fencepost pinecone

[dense ginkgo]

lol

[spiral badge]

The real best way of farming darkness is clearing bosses that you’ve already cleared

Everything else is just window dressing next to what you get out of that + dark thirst

[dense ginkgo]

fair

[spiral badge]

I’m with you, I like to minmax, but that’s the real secret answer. Bosses are the darkness cash cows

[slim lynx]

normal encounters don't really seem to give that much darkness to begin with

[spiral badge]

Everything else pales when you lay it out on paper

[slim lynx]

especially later on with stuff like rerolls having absurd prices

[dense ginkgo]

now give me reason to not do favor

[spiral badge]

Also tbh Charon shop buys are an excellent darkness investment

It sounds small but something small like 15 darkness for gold is still 2.5x room rewards worth of darkness

[slim lynx]

you can also get some nice darkness from charon shops/wells actually

[spiral badge]

All about ratios and investment

[half crater]

if you’re still farming for meta resources favour is a pretty legit choice honestly

it’s not gonna give you that much more, but it will give you some

[slim lynx]

if you can then definitely use companion shady

easy meta currencies

[dense ginkgo]

is anyone gonna try to convince me not to favor?
:P

[spiral badge]

yeah actively taking boons away from yourself is actively giving yourself more metacurrency

[half crater]

in literally every other circumstance dark foresight is orders of magnitude better

[spiral badge]

Which is favor?

^^^^^

It’s the farming switch

[dense ginkgo]

oh yeah clearly

cuz the blue ones are just 1/5 as good as the gold (if you have all diamond upgrade things spent)

[spiral badge]

and def use sisyphus companion if you’re not. He adds up for both darkness and gems

And his heal is great in a pinch

[outer tree]

Patched or not, Maim still feels useless...

[spiral badge]

What did they patch??

[outer tree]

#hades-patch-notes message

[slim lynx]

sometimes maim didn't deal as much damage as expected apparently

[outer tree]

specifically:

fixed Maim effect not always dealing as much damage as expected

[spiral badge]

Ah

[dense ginkgo]

god's legacy because I have not collected every duo or legend yet
same thing with Olympian Favor, gonna be really hard to convince me not to use

[coarse moss]

i love maim even before this patch though

[honest wing]

main is useles

[spiral badge]

I never thought maim was bad because it was buggy. I’ve always thought maim was bad because it’s a straight up unfair proposition without the hammer

Pinecone if you’re farming you should absolutely have favor on

[outer tree]

It doesn't scale, it takes forever to actually apply (more than twice as long as an Impending Doom), the bonus damage while maimed is terrible and it even increases the damage the enemy causes, as if this all needed a downside

[spiral badge]

It’s a +farming button, no reason at all not to

[dense ginkgo]

ok I have everything but the bottom 3 maxed
I should max persuasion as far as I can before I up the things above it right?
or no?

[spiral badge]

You know, I could’ve lived with that. I could have accepted all that with a stiff upper lip. But enemies deal 50% more while we only deal 25%?? No sir, that’s a raw deal. That’s BS.

Pinecone keep persuasion at 3

Just to keep your QoL stuff on life support

Until you can afford it all

Dont go off the deep end trying to punish yourself for that one last roll

Diminishing returns there

[dense ginkgo]

everything but the bottom 3 is maxed
I have all the QoL I think?

[spiral badge]

Okie doke well thats a good situation

[dense ginkgo]

just the boon rarity stuff and the rerolls left

[spiral badge]

I would work on maxing rarity first, then rerolls

[dense ginkgo]

so do I max rerolls or just go to 3?

[spiral badge]

Just because you can pick rerolls up over a run

So 3 is a fine # to start with

[dense ginkgo]

I can't

[spiral badge]

If you can’t afford them all

[dense ginkgo]

no key upgrade yet

[spiral badge]

Ooooof

Honestly thats priority #1 for you then

That’s a huge detriment to you

Big, big one

[dense ginkgo]

I did the dark upgrade first since I always pick them lol

[spiral badge]

You now have your #1 farming target

[dense ginkgo]

my next will def be keys

[spiral badge]

That will make the rest of your life much easier

Much, much, muuuuuch easier

[flat garden]

whats the best special for lucifer

im gonna try that special only run i memed about

[spiral badge]

Ive heard zeus is entertaining?

Ares could be good for fire and forget doom

[dense ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806518354407850014/unknown.png

[flat garden]

the pulses inflict doom?

[dense ginkgo]

do I still go 3?

or stay 2?

[spiral badge]

Honestly pinecone where your at I would look at sacrificing some things

Maybe your first tree. That’s not essential

[coarse moss]

triple bomb and artemis

[spiral badge]

Maybe your +cast tree. As long as you have boiling blood you only need 1 to do the job

[proven osprey]

If you want good runs Pinecone, max Dark Foresight

[spiral badge]

FF tree. The extra damage is nice but not essential

All in service of getting your +duo and legendary online

[dense ginkgo]

farming rn

dark

[spiral badge]

If you’re list chasing you need your essentials, your rerolls, and your +rarities

[proven osprey]

farming darkness is just better with dark foresight

[spiral badge]

Everything else has to come 2nd

[proven osprey]

darkness rooms are garbage

[spiral badge]

They are a lil :/

But she wants to farm it up

[coarse moss]

and theres the fun factor. its just more fun to have more boon rooms

[dense ginkgo]

fun factor lol

I know how I'm gonna have fun

[spiral badge]

As many rolls as you can afford, but for list chasing prioritize +rareness first to make the most out of each one, then number of rolls

[flat garden]

maybe a special only run would suck real bad

perhaps i'll get aphro dash and try to get curse of longing

[spiral badge]

One-hand-behind your back runs are generally a little limited lol

That said, I have had some very interesting dio rama special runs

Attack button? What attack button?

[dense ginkgo]

owl pendant or smtn else?
I am doing malphon

[flat garden]

attack button?

[spiral badge]

“What attack button?”

Like a joke 🙈

[flat garden]

ahhh sorry i didnt get it haha

are there any hammers that modify lucifer's special

[spiral badge]

The setup was weak the way I wrote it first. Too little context

Triple bomb lol

And it’s amazing