h1-builds-and-combat

[dry ember]

Though people here are also quite competent.

[limber cloak]

oh wait, theres a speedrunning discord? @dry ember i need invite

[coral cave]

I'm boutta commit a felony I swear

[slim lynx]

a tier list... on things in hades

[dry ember]

Pinned in #self-promotion

[slim lynx]

that game basically built on balance

[coral cave]

And it's all personal opinion anyways

There is no definitive tier list for stuff in hades

[dry ember]

Yup. Retrash recently lose his high heat streak on Beowulf

[slim lynx]

also why are there only 13 if the aspects are included

aren't there like 24 of them

[dry ember]

Doesn't mean it's garbage, just that Beo can be bad in certain context

[coral cave]

Only the hidden ones apparently

[limber cloak]

theyre only including hidden aspects

[slim lynx]

but then shouldn't there be 12 and not 13

rama at 12th...

ok yeah this sucks

[limber cloak]

they included two shield aspects

chaos and hidden

[coral cave]

It's an absolutely abhorrent tier list

[slim lynx]

no wonder twitter loves to dunk on game journalism as a whole

[limber cloak]

now that you speak of dunk

[dry ember]

Folks we can bash the article to the ground. Sometimes articles profit off hate click.

Just let it go

[coral cave]

The worst one I have seen ever

[limber cloak]

dunkey ranked hades as like top 4 out of his top 10 games this year

[coral cave]

Number 5 actually

[dry ember]

I have seen people comparing Hades to Gacha gambling games and that Roguelite as a genre is predatory and shouldn't be played.

[slim lynx]

where's syacvg when we need them 😔

[limber cloak]

oh yeah

supah mario brothers 2 comes in at 1st

[slim lynx]

👁️ 👄 👁️ ???????

[dry ember]

Just... ignore it. Stop clicking lul

[limber cloak]

can agree honestly

[coral cave]

Idiots

Nothing else

[limber cloak]

i started playing hades and immediately had my brain vaporized

[coral cave]

Gacha games are essentially gambling I will agree though

[limber cloak]

lost all self control

[slim lynx]

do people just think that rng is directly the same thing as gambling

[split glen]

my only guess is that the article writer is the same person that pestered vinny vinesauce about dmc2

because gun is best

[slim lynx]

i mean i understand dying just to get the hammer at the start of the run but like damn

[dry ember]

No one says it's not. But comparing rogue games to gacha is like comparing taxation to thef.

[coral cave]

Taxation is theft though /s

[slim lynx]

why did they use a shield description for the spear

[dry ember]

To the gulag with you

[dry ember]

Who?

[slim lynx]

there's nothing in 4th place

[coral cave]

The gotdamned government is takin all our gotdamn money!!!!!

[dry ember]

Calm down Hank

[coral cave]

This is a free gotdamn country! I should have the right to do whatever I want with my gotdamn money!

[dry ember]

The gotdang Underworld Customs is taking all our boons while charging exorbitant Convenience Fees. This late stage capitalism thing needs to stop. And what is this gosh darn Approval Process and Routine Inspection? We have free speech police now?

The Underworld is going to crap and all the young people are trying to get out.

[slim lynx]

hoarding slash build with underworld customs and convenience fee

[coral cave]

This gotdamned place has gone to hell! What in the world is the government doin with it?

[slim lynx]

and also chthonic coin purse

[honest wing]

quick question

I have eris rail zeus attack and just got rocket bimb

do I go for arti special?

[opal lodge]

sure

or tidal dash

[agile plover]

Forced Overtime is definitely not free heat

Just FO1 makes a significant enough difference in difficulty

[honest wing]

yea

TD1 is free heat tho

[slim lynx]

td2 is pretty easy but td3 is actually hard

[willow haven]

aye forced overtime was pretty bonkers against those fist thingies

any fun demeter aspect builds out there? zeus special was giga fun

[stiff igloo]

how cna i get the aspects on my new file

people on my main save i jus tfound them like pop

i don't know what to do exactly

[spiral badge]

Not a build but if you find the kinetic launcher hammer it’s great on dem fists

[limber cloak]

you have to unlock all weapons and then talk to skelly to unlock aspects

then go up to your weapons and press e to reveal em

[stiff igloo]

oh cool

[willow haven]

ngl it felt pretty hard to use

[turbid needle]

When it comes to attack enhancing boons, which god gives the most damage? Regardless of curse effects

[sly sonnet]

Base damage aphrodite I think

But depending on the weapon artemis can do more

Like arthur for example a single crit can make up for the smaller base damge then artemis

Because Arthurs base is already pretty high

[spiral badge]

Really? I loved it for dem fists. If you change nothing about your play it should just be a flat base damage buff isn’t it? And if you charge up it gives you a Mega Buster for a solid ranged option on fists. Where did you have trouble with it?

What I like about that hammer is iirc the charge up only affects range. So if you still want to play point blank you can just smack the special button like it’s not there and you shouldn’t lose any damage

[willow haven]

i was failing to land it quite a bit for some reason

[spiral badge]

Fortunately dem gets along well with all of the fist hammers worth mentioning, so you aren’t limited to that one if you don’t dig it. I’ve even had success with dem draining cutter!

[slim lynx]

i wanna try out artemis hadouken demeter fists lol

[willow haven]

does anyone have a list of mob/enemy stats? i wish the in-game thingy showed their hp/damage and stuff

[urban bramble]

If I’m being honest I started maining the shield of chaos when I unlocked it (been using it every since lol)

[honest wing]

blizzard shot + mirage shot is pretty good

eris rail and boom so much damage

[naive solstice]

actually do, it's very fun

witness everything disintergrate every 12 attacks

[rigid birch]

which semblants of infernal weapons are better? I'm uncertain :/

[cloud vault]

They're all good

Eris is probably the single best

[mental blaze]

there aren’t objective best ones, it depends on your play style

[serene zealot]

^

[cloud vault]

I would say Rama if we're counting the hidden ones too.

Rama is the only 60 heat cleared aspect.

[serene zealot]

Any Bow aspect is good tbh

But again, it comes down to preference

[cloud vault]

At the time of this conversation Rama is objectively the best tho.

Tied with Eris I guess. Eris for speed, Rama for Heat.

[spiral badge]

Nem sword probably goes in S tier for speed but it’s far more temperamental than Eris rail

[gusty rapids]

I wouldn’t say Rama is “objectively” the best for heat. it’s good, but there are other good weapons too. tailesque being extremely skilled with it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s objectively better than all other weapons

[spiral badge]

I would say Rama’s kit could fairly be called one of the strongest bedrocks of all the competitive aspects. Reliable chaining AOE damage with a huge, chunky ranged attack that can get out of control with hammers

Rama is just busted no matter what you throw at it or handicap yourself with. Shared Suffering just doesn’t quit on you, ever

And perhaps that starts to matter more and more as you get things taken away from you at higher heats

[opal lodge]

your intuition is correct

most of the extremely successful high heat aspects have reliable damage sans boons

like rama, zeus shield, and hestia

[spiral badge]

Zeus shield is a pick I didn’t expect to hear in there

I’ll have to try that!

[serene zealot]

Zeus shield? Really?

Dang, gonna have to work on using that more

[cloud vault]

Zeus shield is absurdly good

[strange lark]

zeus shield is really good

[cloud vault]

It ticks damage every 0.3 seconds

You can block while it kills things.

[strange lark]

i think it is the best shield aspect

[neon berry]

hes not wrong

[cloud vault]

On a high heat run where you're forced into random boons with AP2, Zeus shield makes good use of most any special boon

[strange lark]

am i the only one who lowkey enjoys demeter aspect?

[misty dagger]

Does zeus shield dmg per ticks works with artemis' support fire?

[strange lark]

yep

[misty dagger]

Nice

[cloud vault]

Yeah, it's a pretty good synergy

It rapidly applies dire misfortune and Hangover and makes perfect use of thunder flourish

With Aphro legendary it just charms everything

[strange lark]

its just good with every boon

for special

[cloud vault]

It's even good with Shackle

[strange lark]

I tried to run with 0 boons

but the satyr sack ended up in a room with a boon

[cloud vault]

Unlucky

[strange lark]

I never realized the power of the shackle

[spiral badge]

Shackle Rama is a religious experience

[strange lark]

lucifer aspect with zeus attack is really good

[spiral badge]

Also great power shot training

[strange lark]

yeah

[spiral badge]

For this channel actually: how 2 scale shackle runs on later floors

Are my options pretty much chaos and chaos?

[strange lark]

idk

[spiral badge]

I feel like those are my options

[strange lark]

i always thought that chaos boons remove the effect

so i never went to chaos

[rigid birch]

oh yes i know, but for the Malphon what do you think, is better Demetra or Talos?

[spiral badge]

Good point, I’m not sure about that

Demeter is just straight “better” but I prefer talos for how it plays

[strange lark]

demeter i think is better if you max it out

other than that i would pick talos

[spiral badge]

Demeter is the damage pick but talos does something the other fist aspects don’t, which is change up how you play fists

Which is what I like about it

[strange lark]

or you could just go gilgamesh

[spiral badge]

Change up how you play fists for the better*

[strange lark]

i only play fists for fun

because they are not a good pick for high heat

[misty dagger]

Just dodge

[spiral badge]

Gilga’s whole existence just feels pigeonholed to me

[strange lark]

damn

[spiral badge]

Because ME exists

[strange lark]

i never thought of that

[spiral badge]

That’s more ME’s problem than gilga’s though

[strange lark]

I tried playing with guan yu

but gave up because it is just not good

[vocal sierra]

So should I always go for chaos?

[spiral badge]

Not allllllways

But if you can afford the health it’s not a bad yolo

Depends on the room rewards on offer too

A chaos gate is not worth more than a Zeus boon that might complete your build, say

[serene zealot]

^^^

As well as how close to a boss you are, I wouldn't want a curse on during one

[vague sapphire]

Can u stagger doom?

[glass arrow]

Other than dodge/deflect is there a good fist auto attack build

[vocal sierra]

I see

Thanks

Btw

How do I use the aspect of Hera properly?

[misty dagger]

With it's attack speed, probably artemis attack

[glass arrow]

So crit autos with aphro weak special since you’re close range

[serene zealot]

I'd recommend any cast but demeter's

It's weird with Hera bow

[vocal sierra]

Poseidon sounds fun on it

It works just like beowulf right?

[misty dagger]

[vocal sierra]

Im also starting to love the aspect of lucifer

[serene zealot]

Yeah, Poseidon cast is good

And yes, same idea of loading in your cast

[vocal sierra]

Thanks!

What about aspect of poseidon

Thats so confusing to me

Idk if its OP or wack

[rigid birch]

Thanks so much for the advice, another problem is that I don't know how to spend the Blood of Titan, but this is a problem I have to solve by myself I think :/

[woven crater]

Beowulf and Hera aren't exactly the same, since Beowulf casts never embed but any hast that would normally embed still will on Hera (but with a lower drop time)

Aspect of poseidon is fun for very frequent casting, especially with exit wounds to make enemies take damage when bloodstones dislodge

It's really good with zeus cast or poseidon cast especially, they're both good at clearing rooms while doing good damage to single targets too

[ashen heart]

vouch

Zeus Cast + Poseidon Dash + Sea Storm

throw on Artemis attack, Pressure Points & Exit Wounds and take your pick for the 4th god

[woven crater]

Poseidon cast + sea storm is also a nice damage add

But poseidon dash is just good

[ashen heart]

its very good

[woven crater]

Speaking of, I had an aspect of poseidon build the other day where I ended up with poseidon an all 4 of my main aspects

[ashen heart]

Add some chaos booms that up cast damage and hermes boons for quick reload

now we're cooking with gas

[woven crater]

Styx was won by literally spamming the four face buttons in any order to clear the tunnels

[ashen heart]

enemy just dies as soon as they hit a wall

LMAO

[woven crater]

Just fill the room with hitboxes

[ashen heart]

That sounds hilarious

Especially with rupture

and wall damage

[lost swan]

what gods would go w/ magnetic cutter? trying to max dps on my special btw

[tranquil falcon]

poseidon yoyo cutter

[lost swan]

...?

oh wait u mean the knockback thing

lmao

[spiral badge]

So @lost swan, you know magnetic cutter only buffs attack and cast, right? Not special

But to answer directly any high % gods will be good for a slower special like the uppercut. Aphro and artemis steal the show, as usual

[lost swan]

ye that's not y i chose the aspect

[spiral badge]

For sure

[lost swan]

but the special is the actual magnet cutter so

[spiral badge]

I dont follow I’m sorry

[lost swan]

the special is what pulls enemies in

[spiral badge]

indeed it is

[lost swan]

but then after u use the special it buffs ur attack and cast

except im not coordinated enough for that

[spiral badge]

👍🏻

[lost swan]

i just spam x

[spiral badge]

If you like to spam special might I suggest dem fist?

[lost swan]

dem fist?

demeter?

[spiral badge]

It doesn’t have the magnetism but it is the fist aspect that is built around the special button

[woven crater]

Demeter first requires more attack mixture to be effective

[spiral badge]

And special damage, as you’re after

[lost swan]

ye im honestly just not good at coordinating my attacks like that it's way easier to just focus on one or two

[spiral badge]

But if you love the magnetism I get it

Talos has a special place in my heart for that exact reason

[lost swan]

im not quite sure what this means ?

high % gods?

[spiral badge]

Gods that deliver a % buff to your attack or special as their main feature

[woven crater]

Gods that have really high attack damage multipliers

[lost swan]

ohhh

[spiral badge]

Rather than a lower % buff and a curse of some kind

[lost swan]

ah

[spiral badge]

Or no % buff at all and just curse

[woven crater]

Aphrodite, Artemis, Poseidon, etc as opposed to Zeus, Ares, Dionysus, etc

[spiral badge]

The higher a weapon’s base damage is and the slower the attack in question is, the more % based boons matter

+50% aphrodite attack means a hell of a lot more when you’re hitting for 300 with Rama rather than 10 with fists for instance

But its much harder to get 5 stacks of dio with the slow rama attack

See the trade off at play?

[lost swan]

ahh

[spiral badge]

But for the fists slowest attack, which is the special uppercut, a % based boon is a solid pick. Aphrodite and Artemis steal the show for raw damage in both attack and special boons. it’s not fair

[lost swan]

lmao

[spiral badge]

especially together

[lost swan]

also unrelated question y does hermes show up literally every run

[spiral badge]

Hermes is between a god and a hammer

Thats how the game treats him

[lost swan]

ohhhh

[woven crater]

Hermes is rolled separately from the gods

[lost swan]

oh that makes much more sense

[woven crater]

You can only get a maximum of two hermes boons before the last area, and you have a chance to see him in the shop or tunnels before the last area

If you skip him once or twice you're likely to see around 3 offers

[spiral badge]

^^^^^

Very similar to hammers. If you ignore them the game will start to force them down your throat

[lost swan]

lmao

[spiral badge]

Try it sometime

It’s comical

[woven crater]

Hammers, meanwhile, the game REALLY wants you to have two, so I often skip an early one against a really good choice (Like max health or a god I really want more boons from), trusting I'll have an easier hammer pick later

It's a little easier to avoid hermes than hammers

[spiral badge]

Yeah I agonize over tartarus hammers

[woven crater]

If you go into styx with only one hammer there's pretty decent odds to see one as a tunnel reward, but it's not guaranteed. You can go into Elysium with none and pick up two within three rooms, though

[lost swan]

i feel very stupid for not realizing rn that the magnet cutter buffs ur attacks using the special and attack in sequence is a lot of fun lmao

[undone sparrow]

tips for hera

plz

[spiral badge]

Another good point here. Try to have 2 hammers by Styx or risk wasting a valuable tunnel on one

Press cast

Draw bow

Wait for charge meter to flash

Release

In the meantime make sweet love to Dionysus and never look back

[ashen heart]

Forgot to ask, was this just for the memes?

Or was it unintentional

[woven crater]

Oh yeah I'd gotten flood shot first intentionally, and the special was legit good

[spiral badge]

Seriously though, Dionysus cast is great for hera

Also Aphro

Because of course

[undone sparrow]

infernal sould or stygian soul?

[spiral badge]

Ooooooo

[woven crater]

Special was technically a debuff since it made it harder to get bloodstones back, but I got them back in 2.5 seconds with a hermes boons and had 7 of them at that point so... didn't really matter

[spiral badge]

That’s up to luck

[woven crater]

They all came back anyway

[ashen heart]

That'll do it

[spiral badge]

Stygian has a higher cap

[woven crater]

Attack was completely for the meme

[spiral badge]

But infernal is 3 guaranteed casts

[undone sparrow]

do I load them all at once or one a a time like beo

[spiral badge]

Probably Stygian for hera honestly

[woven crater]

I run infernal soul with hera since maxed hera is a 5 second drop time

[undone sparrow]

dash strike for speed or normal for damage

there are so many details

[spiral badge]

Actually true

Take that back

Hera drop time is big

And load them 1 at a time until you need more damage output

[woven crater]

So it's 3 per 5 seconds rather than 1 per 3 seconds without any boosts, stygian can go higher but infernal is better at nuking

Load as many as you need to kill an enemy

[spiral badge]

^^^^^

[woven crater]

Some will die in 1, against bosses always load all 3

[undone sparrow]

so it's like, diet beowulf?

[woven crater]

Yeah, sorta

[spiral badge]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ish

I think hera is actually a little bit better of a platform

Just because the base bow can perform so naturally

[woven crater]

And dash strike for speed works better, the damage your attack itself deals is negligible in comparison to your cast nuke

[spiral badge]

Whereas I find beo clunky frankly

[undone sparrow]

and what about special?
just forget it exists?

[woven crater]

Yeah, special never does anything

[spiral badge]

That’s your point blank SMG

At best

[undone sparrow]

once you get the hang of it, it's pure dopamine

or posseidon

[woven crater]

Except for niche cases like athena special in the witches circle

[spiral badge]

Most common use is to put doom on it and fire and forget

I would say

Extra damage is extra damage

[undone sparrow]

does the drop time affect festive fog?

[spiral badge]

Lets you coat a room well at least

[woven crater]

Hammers are also worth quite a bit less on hera, I feel

Yeah, drop time makes fog disappear

[spiral badge]

I think bow is just great with hammers in general

Twin shot is just twin shot

[woven crater]

But the fog slow is not the important part of using festive fog

[undone sparrow]

but cintilant feast

[spiral badge]

Yeah the slow is cherry on top but festive fog is S-tier both for damage and duo potential

[undone sparrow]

and icy wine

[spiral badge]

You’re thinking about the right things lol

Now picture them together

[woven crater]

Ice wine doesn't really care about damage, it does huge things already

[undone sparrow]

i have

[woven crater]

I've never gotten both at once, but improving scintillating feast uptime doesn't really matter

Since normally the moment they drop you want to be getting them back to nuke again

So you're still getting high uptime on lightning, with a high rate of burst

[spiral badge]

I will say for cast builds that aren’t Poseidon/hera Stygian soul is a much more viable option

[undone sparrow]

just remembered about greater recall and bad news

[spiral badge]

Stygian with bad news and hunting blades

[undone sparrow]

or fog

[spiral badge]

Whoof

[undone sparrow]

Hermes' legs are easy, just equip the feather in asphodel

but which is best for hera?

[spiral badge]

Probably the +3 cast

Lux has a good point in the 5 second drop. That mitigates a lot

[woven crater]

I think Hera was the first aspect I maxed

[undone sparrow]

yeah
and there's the hermes boon which drops the time to 2.5s

[woven crater]

And this was when legendary aspects were just guan yu and arthur, btw

Hera was the only cast platform, and now I love beo too

[ashen heart]

First one I did was Zag aspect for the sword

you can probably guess why

[naive solstice]

Rama, Zeus and Hestia may have reached the highest heat limits but I still prefer my Chiron, Hera and Demeter above all else

they're just too dang fun to use

[woven crater]

I see you like the bow

[naive solstice]

Ever since I got the dash power shot down to muscle memory I don't enjoy any weapon as much as the bow lol

[ashen heart]

New monthly challenge when

months almost over

[spiral badge]

Feb challenge: Arthur Shackle, dash unbound

TD3

[agile plover]

Aspect of Hera feels good

Made short work of 11 heat

[teal lantern]

Any duo boons that work well with Ares?

Or builds that make Ares good in general, I have experimented quite a bit but it all feels very suboptimal

[cunning urchin]

Merciful End.

Hunting Blades.

[oak raptor]

how does ME work with the stacking doom builds

i forget the boon that does it

[teal lantern]

Im going to give Merciful end a shot if I can get it

[cunning urchin]

m in the process of finalizing things, but it's gonna be worth the wait (I hope!). You can still submit runs for the challenges from December if you haven't yet.

[agile plover]

Outside of Zeus, which god works best with Aspect of Demeter?

[teal lantern]

What weapon would you recommend with merciful end?

Im guessing any meelee weapon does alright

[woven crater]

Merciful end can be incredible on the fists, with doom attack, but you need deflect special and dash both to really make it work (special for the prerequisite, can be sold or swapped after getting the duo)

[coral cave]

I think zeus shield would be pretty OK too

[ashen heart]

@cunning urchin good to know!

What exactly is "submitting a run" though?

Like what does that entail

[cunning urchin]

This is the spreadsheet for all the runs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing

And this is the submission form. https://forms.gle/phaXPmYHEixNi5TL9

You'll need a link to your victory screen or a video for submission. (Can also be both.)

[ashen heart]

I see

[opaque nexus]

Is there a place to rant?

well whatever, Ahem I finally did it, After losing to Hades 4 times in arow using the dumb spear I finally beat him at heat 12, don't ask me why I was struggling, they were the most awful runs I ever had so far

[oak raptor]

https://i.imgur.com/EML8PrZ.png

had to give it a try after you mentioned it

[opal lodge]

its super good

[woven crater]

Yeah that’s not bad

[opal lodge]

you can reverse the attack and spec too

thats one of the main speedrun builds for zeus shield

[oak raptor]

it took me literally

to styx shop

to get merc end

[drifting robin]

Merciful end op

Got my pb with it

[ashen heart]

Anyone got any good Lucifer builds?

Thinking maybe you do something with demeter or dionysus attack?

go for privileged status?

[spiral badge]

Serious question

Are there any good Lucifer builds that aren’t A: just good rail builds or B: meme builds?

[proven osprey]

There's no specific build outside of that

[spiral badge]

@ashen heart fwiw zeus attack is the preferred rail attack almost to the point of boredom

[proven osprey]

afaik

[spiral badge]

Yeah. Lucifer just feels odd to me

The memeiest of the aspects

[ashen heart]

oh

aight

[spiral badge]

Not that that’s an issue

[proven osprey]

@ashen heart Go for Zeus attack, more zeus

[spiral badge]

yeah no matter the aspect Lyte, zeus on rail attack is such a common rec that its considered a snoozefest

[drifting robin]

Super soaker

[spiral badge]

Though one you should investigate to find out why

[ashen heart]

I did not know that

[drifting robin]

With seastorm

[ashen heart]

but now i do know that

so the eris build (but again)

[drifting robin]

Poseidon on attack and then try and get sea storm

For lucy

[spiral badge]

Current meme build with Lucy, also probably the strongest ^^^^

Booze Laser is also fun

[drifting robin]

Im not the biggest fan of lucifer but its kinda fun

[spiral badge]

It feels like The Meme Weapon to me

[drifting robin]

yeah

100 percent

[spiral badge]

Which is just fine. They dont all have to be showstoppers. Some can just be fun

[drifting robin]

Like guan yu

Thats ufn

*fun

[pale kayak]

Guan Yu is pretty much the go-to weapon for LC4

Can't get healing? No problem. Life Steal.

[spiral badge]

How dare you blaspheme cursed slash so

[pale kayak]

That's the thing, you need to hope for it via hammer.

[spiral badge]

Tru

[pale kayak]

Whereas Guan Yu has it right out of the gate

[spiral badge]

As much as SGG likes their difficulty modifiers like heat, I wish they put in limited “boon” modifiers like they have in past games

[daring turtle]

tbf though, you pretty much want to hope for quick spin, so you don't get interrupted when charging your spins

[proven osprey]

not quite :/

[spiral badge]

Being able to seed so much as a single god boon or hammer would be a huge late game perk that would be a lot of fun

[pale kayak]

I'm talking about max guan yu

I should've clarified.

My bad.

[proven osprey]

I know Guan Yu

[pale kayak]

I got a run with Quick Spin and Massive Spin with Guan Yu

[proven osprey]

I just mean that you have to spin

[pale kayak]

...The run pretty much won itself, lmao

[proven osprey]

which is harder than attacking

[daring turtle]

I did manage a win when I first unlocked GY though with its -70% health, but that was without heat

[pale kayak]

I don't touch GY till I max it with Titan Blood

Because 70% Health is... not a good idea. hahah

[daring turtle]

I used Cerberus's collar to help counter the HP loss

[spiral badge]

Damn

Is that an actual big brain collar strat I see?

[pale kayak]

Whenever I run GY, I pretty much fish for Centaur Hearts early on.

[spiral badge]

yeah gotta make up the difference pronto

[pale kayak]

After that, Assuming I'm not aiming for a specific build, I would happily take collar.

[daring turtle]

imagine if you could actually fish for them at fishing points with like a 10% chance

centaur hearts that is

[pale kayak]

But hey, I managed to achieve all the spear bounties.

The only two weapon bounties left are the blade and shield.

[spiral badge]

Decision time. Hestia. Delta chamber or ricochet fire

[coral cave]

Ricochet

[spiral badge]

Thats what I ended up with

Delta is tempting but ricochet is 100% more damage

[coral cave]

Delta doesn't really do much anyways for hestia

[spiral badge]

Ricochet rounds and epic deadlystrike/battle rage hestia out of tartarus

I see how this weapon can do good at high heats lol

[gusty rapids]

ricochet is the single best hammer for hestia

delta does quite literally nothing

you should be manually reloading after every shot

anyways

[spiral badge]

I just like delta on rail in general

But ricochet is like twin shot on bow

You cannot ignore +100% damage

[gusty rapids]

i mean for hestia specifically you should never be using a full clip

so delta is just entirely irrelevant

[proven osprey]

but numbskulls mr strimmer

[gusty rapids]

ok look

[proven osprey]

wait do you even stream

[gusty rapids]

just start splash dash :^)

not anymore

[proven osprey]

oh

rip

[gusty rapids]

my internet here is really bad so i just locally record now

[spiral badge]

I like it on hestia because it makes the reload into a power shot on demand

And you can just play normally otherwise if you need to

But ricochet is more optimal for sure

[gusty rapids]

i mean what im saying is that playing "normally" for hestia is always reloading for a power shot

it doesnt play like the other rails at all

[spiral badge]

Yeah, artemis is teaching me that right now lol

Crit for 1000, reload, rinse repeat

[gusty rapids]

exactly

battle rage is also one of my favorite boons on hestia, getting it early is so nice

[spiral badge]

This is honestly a blessed as hell hestia run

[gusty rapids]

arty attack, battle rage, hunters mark is just a beautiful combo

[spiral badge]

I haven’t even mentioned

I got hunting blades in tartarus

[gusty rapids]

LMAO

[spiral badge]

And I dont even care

I have ricochet rounds that crit for 1000 with marked target, who the hell needs a cast

[gusty rapids]

preach

[spiral badge]

No

No

No way

Epic hyper sprint

Dont you tease me hermes

Dont you do it

Aaaaaand there’s epic hydraulic might. My god this run

[ashen heart]

Do the effects of the Feather/Butterfly stay after you get switch off the keepsake?

[coral cave]

no

[runic egret]

crossposting but: question: does the ares boon that gives you bonus damage after death defiance stack with itself if you use DD multiple times in a chamber?

[willow haven]

is the butterfly not working in satyr tunnels intended?

[coral cave]

yes

[coral cave]

dont think it stacks

[willow haven]

why is that

[runic egret]

it only works on the last chamber of each mini gauntlet

[willow haven]

[coral cave]

well it would be very op if it worked in every chamber

[runic egret]

meanwhile the Charon well things WILL run out

[willow haven]

yeah smh my head

[lime summit]

what exactly should i be going for on the aegis shield?

[abstract flower]

Do any of Dionysus's boons synergize well with Shield with the Aspect of Chaos?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Drunken Flourish is really good on Chaos Aspect.

[abstract flower]

Didn't get offered that one unfortunately

[flat garden]

curse of drowning on beowulf is weird

might purge it

[proven osprey]

the word you were looking for is "garbage" I think

[flat garden]

i dont dismiss things quite easily

[proven osprey]

That's fair

But that duo indeed does nothing on Beo

[flat garden]

i could definitely use it in certain situations but it is very weird

[half crater]

i mean, it’s literally worse than if it did nothing

flood flare is top tier on beo, and CoD turns it into... something

[proven osprey]

Yeah you're right

[lime summit]

what exactly is the Aspect of Chaos

[flat garden]

oh idont have enough rerolls to purge it rip

[half crater]

oof

[flat garden]

your special sends out extra shields

that break upon impact

after you bullrush i think

[lime summit]

i have a habit of literally never using the sheild special

[flat garden]

i have a habit of literally never using the shield

im just trying this poseidon cast build because it looked cool

[half crater]

if you special after a bull rush your special is “empowered” and you throw extra shields in an arc (to a max of 5 extra at level 5)

[flat garden]

and it definitely is...without the curse of drowning

[lime summit]

ok

ive gotten to the temple of styx before with shield

i never go for specific builds, just get what seems good when its offered

[half crater]

special is rip for sure on zag shield, i guess that’s why there’s an explicit reason to use it on very other shield aspect

well, with beo the reason is just “if you get charged flight”

[lime summit]

beo?

[half crater]

beowulf

[lime summit]

whats that?

[half crater]

4th shield aspect

[lime summit]

oh ok

im pretty new to the game

my strategy is just point and span

*spam

[half crater]

i’ve been playing for almost 500 hours

my strategy is just point and spam

[abstract flower]

I died to Theseus and Asterius with shield. I threw away an Aphrodite strike for a Dionysus strike because it was heroic and it threw off my build.

[lime summit]

what weapon you use?

[abstract flower]

Plus I got a crummy hammer

[half crater]

i main the aforementioned beowulf

but i’ve been deliberately playing other weapons more recently

[lime summit]

i died to theseus and asterius on first attempt on them, got them on second try

ive wanted to try the twin fists

[abstract flower]

I was on heat 11 with EM3, MM, and TD2.

[lime summit]

i dont know what any of these acronyms lol

[half crater]

they’re heat pacts

there’s a key in the #h1-high-heat-strategies pins

[lime summit]

should i be using controller or keyboard?

[tame bison]

Both at the same time

Is best

[half crater]

either works fine, just use what you’re most comfortable with

there is also a genuine argument for both at the same time lol

[lime summit]

whats the best mirror stuff build?

[ashen heart]

I really like the lucifer rail

[limber cloak]

Depends on what build you're going for really. There are some good mirror guides on youtube by haelian, that can tell you when to use each type of mirror upgrade

[half crater]

re: mirror i don’t think it really matters too much when you’re starting out

most of the different options at least have some kind of niche, and it’s good to get a feel for them

and you can reset the mirror cheaply whenever you want if you decide you want to try something else

[light hazel]

Have been trying aspect of Beowulf, can anyone tell me what's the best rotation? I watched a few speedruns done with it but still fail figure it out

[spiral badge]

To make a blanket mirror recommendation: until you really understand what each mirror upgrade really does it’s never a bad idea to start out with solid purple upgrades all the way down until like the last 3 or 4, which are preference

[sand tusk]

Ok, seriously, ||Arthur|| plus Aphrodite plus Artemis is the most fun I've had so far

Seeing 2000 damage pop up is just the best lol

[light hazel]

Is aphro on attack and atremis on special?

[sand tusk]

@light hazel Other way around. I had Artemis attack, Aphro (double nova lol) on special. Chaos boon on attack, Hermes +30% attack speed. Had the marking boon, Artemis boon to boost crit damage and the duo boon that makes weak enemies take extra crit damage.

I was critting everything. Hard. Most fun I've had yet on this game.

Then Athena dash and Aphro call

Oh and Dionysus for the Nectar boost to HP and the strong drink.

[pale kayak]

tfw you get a Death Defiance boon from chaos, but you never end up needing to use it

Still thankful for Chaos nonetheless. :>

Was using the rail again.

[sand tusk]

Honestly, I think I'm using Arthur from now on.

[agile plover]

Athena's Aid vs Divine Dash?

[spiral badge]

Divine dash

[tame bison]

Arthur is very strong until higher heats

Where the slower animations plus FO2 become an issue

But yeah, it’s a great time. 🙂

[spiral badge]

Unless the alternative is something like merciful end if Athena dash shows up it’s worth taking

[agile plover]

I went with Divine Dash just for consistency

TIL Ares' boons don't really awaken until you get Engulfing Vortex

Prior to that they're fairly garbage lol

[flat garden]

it's all a matter of good positioning

but yeah the rifts are kinda trash in a big room

[slim lynx]

unless you have hunting blades

in which case it's great regardless

literally just pop some swords and get some easy supplemental damage in 👌

[lavish trench]

Artemis vs Aphro attack on Hidden Sword?

[proven osprey]

Both are really good

I would go Deadly strike to benefit from their duo, Heart Rend

Heartbreak strike is still a lot of damage and the weak status is valuable

[lavish trench]

yeah heart rend is really appealing so i usually want artemis on attack

my biggest issue with aphro on special though is that the weak duration is pretty low without the extension boon

it lasts like 1/3 of the duration of hallowed ground

[proven osprey]

Yeah, and the special is slow. That's why the best way to apply weak is passion dash which also opens up the duo

[lavish trench]

i usually use dash as a 2nd curse to proc PS though

demeter/dio etc.

[proven osprey]

I don't think it's worth it in terms of consistency

Family favorite is most likely up by Asphodel

and it's generally better not to get too manys boons for the duo chance

Furthermore, privileged status won't apply on the second hit that applies the curse. It means you have to get three hits to make it work, it's not optimal on Arthur which is slow

And it makes it impossible to run Artemis on the attack efficiently since her curse is less reliable

[lavish trench]

hmm ill try aphro dash then

actually demeter on special is kinda perfect

chill duration is exactly the same as hallowed ground

[slim lynx]

is spear a bad weapon for speedrunning?

[proven osprey]

It is either hammer or ME dependent

but it can be fast

[slim lynx]

what are good boons for achilles aside from casts?

[proven osprey]

Achilles likes electric shot and flurry jab with deadly strike

start with Zeus keepsake, take the cast, get flurry jab

[slim lynx]

are hera, beo, poseidon and achilles the only good weapons for cast builds?

[coral cave]

Basically yeah

Talos is OK too I think

[slim lynx]

talos feels like it'd just be achilles but worse

for cast builds at least

speaking of which does rupture deal damage while the enemy is being pulled/knocked away?

[fervent elbow]

Which boons do i need to run Gilgamesh ? It does have some decent base damage so maybe artemis/aphro on attack ? or ME like on other fists ?

[cloud vault]

Eris is too

The damage boost it has is global, which makes your casts into serious nukes

[slim lynx]

+75% damage for 4 seconds / +150% more damage for the next 4 attacks

[cloud vault]

Yeah but the thing is you're not just doing 1 or the other.

You're throwing out massive casts while also dishing out insane damage from attacks, specials and call

You can totally go Zeus attack Dio cast and the scint feast will murder.

[slim lynx]

achilles is probably better because you don't have to wait like 4 seconds for a 4 second-long boost

[cloud vault]

What do you mean wait

[slim lynx]

so eris also affects stuff like thunder bolts?

[cloud vault]

If your boost uptime isn't close to 100% you're playing wrong

Yes.

Global is just about everything

Zeus attack, hangover, doom, call damage, sea storm, scintillating

[slim lynx]

friendship ended with hestia

now eris is my best friend

[half crater]

hestia is very good to be fair

eris is just insane

[cloud vault]

Oh yeah, that's just it. Hestia is SO GOOD and Eris is somehow better

[slim lynx]

i wish there was a hammer that made the bomb have a larger blast radius and not also damage you

or i could just use cluster/triple bomb

[cloud vault]

The best worst comparison is Talos

[slim lynx]

similar effect, better job

[cloud vault]

Just think about what Eris and Talos do

Nevermind Eris is also extremely safe with ranged attacks.

[slim lynx]

talos basically has the same effect but quicker and way weaker

[cloud vault]

Talos has a weaker more specific effect

In melee range, too

[half crater]

talos is only cast/attack

[slim lynx]

the one thing it has over eris is that it's way quicker

[half crater]

eris is all the things

[cloud vault]

It's not even quicker since you're always dropping specials with Eris

You can preemptively buff up while talos needs to tag something

And the hammers rail gets are insane

[slim lynx]

all of the rail hammers are good/great

spread fire is very meh but if you're using zag then it's very yes

[vestal delta]

welp today i found out that hades has two lives 🙃

[robust anchor]

rip

[proven osprey]

it's really something right

You're at your wit's end, then he gets up

[vestal delta]

i was so happy when i got his health bar low

[proven osprey]

I'll remember the feeling for a long time

[vestal delta]

then the bastard gets up

[robust anchor]

at least he can’t surprise you twice right !

[proven osprey]

🙂 🙂 🙂

[vestal delta]

_>

[drifting robin]

I was so triggered when that happened to me

the first time

[drifting robin]

Eris slaps

Im trying to get a new pb of sub 10(my pb rn is 11:23) and I'm trying to do it with merciful end. Sould I use demeter fists or gilgamesh

[robust anchor]

personally i would go dem

good luck :)

[drifting robin]

k

My old one is with dem fists and i was thinking mabye gilgamesh is better bcs of the extra dashes

thx

[lavish trench]

gilgamesh is better for merciful end tbh

the extra dashes are huge

[fathom geyser]

hello I've been playing hades for 4 months and I've 100 %ed it save for reaching 63 heat and I've been having a hard time staying motivated after there were no more rewards given for the weapons

any advice on how I can keep the "spark" going w the game lol

[half crater]

my advice is do meme runs sometimes

or weird challenges like disabling dash for a run

breaks things up from the heat pushing grind

also: 63 is a lot

like, no one has done it yet

so don’t feel bad if progress is slow

[fathom geyser]

fair ill probably attempt to go under 20 min for all the weapons at 20 heat first

I've also been thinking of playing it from the start but idk how to record my plays ajnsjd

[half crater]

OBS Studio is a great free program for recording runs

[drifting robin]

Yeah just do weird runs that probably wouldnt work

[half crater]

feel free to hit up #h1-high-heat-strategies for any specific questions about heat stuff as well

[fathom geyser]

thamk you :'c

[proven osprey]

for me the spark came from the community

Now I can't stop

[fathom geyser]

it do be like that

i cant get off twitter cause of this community

[vale imp]

could do a fresh file

re-experience the whole thing again haha

[fathom geyser]

i tried to 1 run fresh runs and got frustrated af

ill use it to track story lines tho maybe

[solid cairn]

is exit wounds boosted by global damage sources such as billowing strength and ravenous will

[barren otter]

Should be

[slim lynx]

beo is the best shield aspect for going fast right?

[fathom geyser]

in general or w shields

[slim lynx]

i'm trying to get sub 19 or less

[gusty rapids]

yeah beowulf is considered to be the best shield for speedrunning

[fathom geyser]

twin fists and most zag aspects save for bow and shield are the fastest imo

[rare kindle]

good casts for beo shield?

Like, how are you supposed to scale aphro cast?

[fervent elbow]

Poseidon is ok for beo outside of aphro. You scale it with poms.

[gusty rapids]

aphro cast you honestly just use poms, and chaos cast damage if you can find it

it’s a high enough base that it doesn’t need too much

of course, if you can stumble into something like mirage that’s even better

[sand tusk]

@fathom geyser Theres no way Zag is faster than Arthur on zero heat.

[fathom geyser]

arthur is literally the slowest sword aspect

it trades speed for damage

[sand tusk]

Swing speed. He one hits everything

One slow swing is faster than four fast ones

Plus he has huge swing arcs so he ohko's like three enemies at a time

Plus he spends less time dodging and more time striking bc he has more hp and takes half damage

[fathom geyser]

he moves slower tho

and sticks to one spot

[sand tusk]

Zag gives like 5% move speed.

[fathom geyser]

slower swings also means less interrupts

but arthur reduces speed is the thing

[sand tusk]

You can dash mid combo. Even mid swing and still finish it.

Arthur doesnt reduce his own move speed

[fathom geyser]

it does cause it makes him do the pose thing

[sand tusk]

Well my best Arthur time is leagues faster than my best Zag time

So maybe the style is just better for me

But Arthur melts bosses. Lernie takes like two swings per head lol

[fathom geyser]

yeah but im just saying that objectively zag aspects increase speed

[sand tusk]

But does it increase DPS?

Bc that's what we're looking at.

Is three slow swings faster than six fast ones? Odds are yes

Bc Arthur kills pretty much every mob, even armored ones, in three swings or less

And Zag takes at least double that.

[fathom geyser]

dps still isnt speed

[spiral drum]

p sure fastest arthur run is much slower than fastest zag sword aspect run

[wide flume]

Looking for an Arthur build

[still vortex]

aphro

or backstab and artemis

[spiral drum]

athena attack is also p fun

[sand tusk]

@wide flume Artemis if you want the big crits that make you giggle. Aphro for consistent big numbers

@spiral drum If you're using Zag, might as well use Masamune

Or whatever it's called

@fathom geyser DPS is a big part of speed though.

[spiral drum]

i was just saying, it's on the speedrun website

arthur's fastest time is much slower

[proven osprey]

it has nothing to do with fast hit dps or whatever

Zag is faster because ME, that's all

or rather because it's a good ME vessel

[solar cobalt]

Does True shot Hera aspect work

[rotund lily]

Anyone know how dodge chance stacks? Would 15% and 20% add up to 35% or multiply to 32%?

[cloud vault]

Additively

And yes you can reach 100%

[rotund lily]

Neat

[lavish trench]

whats ME

[rotund lily]

Probably merciful end

Where Athena's attacks trigger Doom combos

[lavish trench]

ah is that the build most speedrunners go for?

i tried it out but was only able to use it semi-effectively

[rotund lily]

Seems like a popular one

Couple people earlier were talking about doing 11 minute wins with it

[opal lodge]

its fairly fast

6:53 this patch on zag sword

is the current record

[gusty rapids]

yeah ME is busted

[wide flume]

Anyone have a good aspect of Zeus build?

[gusty rapids]

zeus shield is very flexible, but one build i like is just slapping zeus on the special and getting as many zeus boons as possible

static discharge, double strike, splitting bolt in particular

you could also put artemis on special, then take any of aphro/athena/dionysus as they show up and go for heart rend/deadly reversal/splitting headache respectively

lots of good stuff with zeus shield

[spiral badge]

@wide flume if you haven’t tried many zeus shield builds try this one first

it does a great job of introducing why zeus shield is as strong as it is

Is ME nemesis a thing or do those two streams not cross?

[gusty rapids]

its a thing

[spiral badge]

I can’t remember if nemesis is universal crit or attack only

Oh my

[gusty rapids]

its attack only crit but like

[spiral badge]

Ah, I gotcha

[gusty rapids]

anything zag sword can do, nemesis can also do (and probably better)

[spiral badge]

So its nemesis + ME, not nemesis X ME

[gusty rapids]

ananke is someone who's been grinding out neMEsis recently to try and sub 7 with it

[spiral badge]

Makes sense

Imagine if that was universal and ME could crit too

Lordy

[gusty rapids]

lol that would be absurd

[spiral badge]

There’s broken and then there’s ME critting broken lol

[rotund lily]

which slots do you take ares/athena in for that?

[spiral badge]

ME is powerful no matter which order it’s built in

But to achieve true brokenness

You want ares attack athena special and athena dash, generally

And the build is just dash attack around and murder the whole screen

Particularly suited to Gilgamesh

[rotund lily]

why gilgamesh rather than other fists?

I feel like gilgamesh slows down my dashing

[spiral badge]

Again, ME is S-tier powerful no matter how it is built. But builds that go for the pinnacles of brokenness look like that

Gilga is considered the ME platform because of its 3 inbuilt dashes

[rotund lily]

ohh, i forgot about that part of it

[gusty rapids]

honestly demeter fists are better than gilga

the extra dashes are nice but the slower attack speed really hurts it, and demeters' built in 5 special nuke is really nice too

[spiral badge]

But again, it’s ME. Top 3 candidate for most busted duo. Only matters to an extent how it’s really built

[gusty rapids]

also gilga's dash strike is reallllly weak which hurts it in tartarus a lot

not being able to one shot a numbskull with a dash strike is pain

[spiral badge]

True. Gilga is about trying to optimize around max dashes for max ME high rolling and nothing else

It’s vulnerable outside of that

[gusty rapids]

gilga's unfortunately the slowest of the fists because of how different it is

[spiral badge]

Gilga ME is the super high-ceiling, high risk/reward build i feel. But there are many, many others that will work flawlessly for you

Yeah. I love fists the most and gilga just feels like a little bit of a letdown to me

It’s just missing something

I think maim should be fair and do 50%/50% across the board, for one thing

Instead of being a hammer

[rotund lily]

When you do a dash attack with doom on attack and artemis dash, will the doom always get applied first then get triggered by the dash, or does it depend on timing/spacing/etc?

[gusty rapids]

do you mean athena dash?

[rotund lily]

yeah

i've been saying artemis this whole time huh

[gusty rapids]

uhh yeah im not an ME expert but i dont think the timing needs to be that precise or anything

your attack should happen first

[worthy crane]

what’s a good build for gilgamesh?

[spiral badge]

Doom is the c4, athena boon is the detonator

[gusty rapids]

and then dash should proc doom (with ME of course)

[spiral badge]

No time limits, no restrictions. Only that order

Plant c4, detonate, repeat as fast as you can

To be specific, if you are dash attacking yes, your doom will always apply first and ME will proc as intended

[visual jungle]

is it just me or is it impossible to dodge EM3 bull's charge without speed buffs/extra dashes? i feel like I don't have a chance when im caught in a miniboss fight like that

just remembered i might have had FO1 on, but still...

[spiral badge]

FO1 won’t help, but the trick to not getting run over by charge is anticipation, not reaction. The second the bull pauses and squats into stance, those precious animation frames are your opportunity to make a plan and start running for the nearest cover to crash him into

You can’t outrun the bull on open ground without hermes boons, but you can always anticipate him by watching him closely, especially when he stops moving for any reason

[daring turtle]

even without EM, dodging his bullrush is really annoying - it's basically impossible to make him crash into the pillars since he just turns on a dime and completely circles them instead

[spiral badge]

I actually disagree a little, but the spacing to consistently get him to crash is weird and not intuitive I think

You basically never want to be exactly in line with where the bull is charging to make him crash into something

He seems to be much more vulnerable to crashing when he’s already turning, rather than running straight at you

that’s how I get him to consistently crash at least. Get him to start turning, then kite him into a pillar

[dusk cairn]

I usually try to get him to crash into a wall cause then you only have to dodge to the side, but that’s probably more difficult with Theseus’s bomb attack in EM3

[spiral badge]

True. You can always do the bullfighter too if you’re near a wall

But for pillars I find it much more reliable to kite him when he’s not running in a straight line. It sounds like it should make no difference but it has to affect something in his collision boxes

Or something

[solar cobalt]

What boons on Hera aspect?

I’ve been using Hunting blades

[visual jungle]

thank u for the tips, ill try this next time :)

[visual jungle]

oh i always dash Through one of the pillars which forces him to crash into it... i thought thats what u were supposed to do since i struggled to get him to crash any other way hah

[spiral badge]

😊

[daring turtle]

whenever I dash straight through a pillar, he goes around it

[spiral badge]

He can teleport through pillars very readily

[daring turtle]

then I dash back again, and he goes around again

[spiral badge]

I’ve experienced exactly what @daring turtle is referencing

He seems to be very capable of changing angles and directions very quickly, unless you give him a direction to be changing towards already of course

[visual jungle]

huh i feel like that usually works for me?? maybe im doing something im not noticing haha

[spiral badge]

Usually. Asterius is prone to deciding his hurtbox doesn’t feel like colliding with a pillar when it doesn’t want to

[daring turtle]

could be a timing thing maybe

[spiral badge]

So he teleports around and through it

[agile plover]

Sounds like ME's going to get nerfed with how powerful it sounds

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It has been a few times already to hear it told

[drifting robin]

ME is legitimately brokoen

*broken

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ME is one of those game elements that is just so fundamentally broken in nature that they can’t really nerf it without butchering it so badly they may as well remove it from the game

That might be a bit extreme. But the only reasonable ways to tone down ME involve seriously crippling its effectiveness. As busted as it is too, ME doesn’t stand alone at the top. Quite a few bonkers builds in this game. I think ME just gets more press than most because “doom that instantly activates” is a concept that only needs to be explained once to somebody to understand why it’s powerful

[plain prairie]

what me mean

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Merciful End

Doom, But it Activates Instantly

The boon

[plain prairie]

yes

i just dk names bc goblin brain

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Yeah. ME is a really common shortening for that one

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689956945498603540/804887994410074172/unknown.png dang I don't have enough rerolls 😔

[plain prairie]

what were u rolling for

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Skeletal Lure

[sand tusk]

So is there any point in using Cthonic Soul over Stygian?

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Chthonic is thought of as the more reliable of the two for the +3 cast off the bat

But it’s one of the mirror perks that is true preference

If you like one or the other, do you

[storm rapids]

I thought you need to use a deflect move on that enemy to make it instant?

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Doom, But it Activates Instantly*

(Dash counts as a deflect, which makes dash attack into one complete ME cycle)

That’s why ME is a “high-roll” build

To unlock its true godly power, you need 3 specific boons, not 2

The exodia of this game, if you will

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But Stygian is better against bosses, imo. Guaranteed cast every three seconds instead of every 10

Why cant I post my build?

[plain prairie]

Poseidon aspect enters the chat

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images are disabled everywhere but victory boasting

Feel free to describe it

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Ah

Hera bow, Dionysis Cast, Zeus Special

Add in the duo boon, an extra cast from Chaos, and a few Zeus lightning enhancements, and it was busted af lol

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I would tell you for boss damage things like exit wounds could perhaps exist that are very reliable for damage while requiring no chaos RNG to be operational 🙂

For instance

There really are 2 sides to the street with this mirror perk

You see top players running both all the time for various reasons

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Here, get stun locked and eat a bunch of lightning. Then Demeter's +30% dmg with no bloodstones (which adds on to the cast itself lol)

Put the build on victory boasting. I wrecked the final boss fastest I've ever done it lol

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Good on you!

[plain prairie]

i feel like stygian is likely better for casts that act as a support type of effect such as dion or demeter

whereas the 3 stack one is better for casts which attach onto the enemies

just my 0.02

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Yeah. A specific callout for something like that would be Talos fists and getting aphro cast 1st room. With Cthonic you now have an instrument to basically carry you all the way to Elysium’s doorstep

[sand tusk]

I still think Arthur with Artemis attack is the most fun lol. Here, eat almost 3K crits off my final swing lol.

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With stygian you’d have to work to get to those 3 casts, and even then they wouldn’t buy you that much more utility

Because anything that you pump 3 aphro casts into with +50% talos damage isn’t long for this world anyway

All situational. Nothing wrong with Stygian at all

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I'd have to agree. Aphrodite deals soooooo much dmg with everything she does lol

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Mmhmmmm. Thats a good example of where cthonic would shine. Room 1 aphro cast with talos is a killer

[plain prairie]

aphro dr build sexc

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Is there a way to only use 1 god?

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Not in the way you want to

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I would like to see a full Aphrodite build

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You can, maybe, but it would involve crippling your run so badly that it’s not going to be what you’re after

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Ah.

I think it's probably best focusing on two or three, though, right?

Then picking up extra stuff from a 4th (cough Dionysus cough)

Or does it just depend on the build?

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Honestly, the true answer to that I dont even understand. Here’s what I can tell you: when trying to tech for legendary/duo/t2 boons it is apparently incredibly important to fill your base pool of attack special etc boons as quickly as you can

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Why?

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I’ve been doing a little digging on this and it seems that there are a lot of complicated mechanics in the background that govern how RNG distributes things

And that is one of the implications of those mechanics

To the best of my understanding

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No wonder I have so much trouble getting Merciful End.

[plain prairie]

the game tries to help you along with what you alraeady have ime

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Honestly

Honestly that’s really not a bad one-sentence assessment of it

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I'm always holding out for the perfect build, instead of taking what the game gives me

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The game tries to help you along with what you already have

But it can’t decide fully until that pool is filled up

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And if you dont have anything, it'll try to fill that up

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Filling that pool up dramatically narrows the pool of available things in your favor and helps the game “decide” to help you

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So maybe trying to just take the highest tier boons from what you have available could give you some weird but effective runs

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Not necessarily

To the best of my knowledge, it will basically throw pure RNG at you until all 4 (5?) slots are locked in

At which point it shifts gears and becomes much more focused

[plain prairie]

itll only try to fill it up if you dont have it filled already

i.e if you have zeus sepcial and pick up athena you wont get athena special

usually

unless its a trade out for better rarity

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By a factor of up to 100% depending on how you want to interpret

That is a fair point though ^^^^ it won’t try to offer you boons you already have filled as it will boons you dont

Not even close

So it does favor open slots in that sense

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I see. I think some of my best runs have been when I filled up my base stuff pretty fast, then built from there

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Again, dont trust my interpretation entirely. These are things I’m piecing together from different incomplete rubrics posted by people much smarter than I

But the one thing I always see repeated is that: for best results, fill up primary boon pool ASAP

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Can you get Hermes room one?

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No

[coral cave]

hermes is only available in shops in tartarus

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Primary is even a bad word, “core” boons is better. Attack, special, cast etc

[coral cave]

he only starts appearing normally in asphodel

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Even call? I've left that empty sometimes

And still got some pretty epic runs

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No

Hermes only ever buffs zagreus

He gives you no real new abilities

Aside from speed

[plain prairie]

3 dash greater reflex would like a word

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Lol

Indeed

Different game then

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No I get that. I was responding to "filling in all core boons"

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I honestly am unsure about call

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if you leave your call open, gods will keep offering you calls which may make it more difficult for you to get the boons you actually want

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So better to grab a mediocre call like Dionysis and never use it

[half crater]

it’s not necessarily always a bad idea, but it isn’t always good either

context dependant

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if it is the best bad choice you can make

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dio’s call is the highest dps call in the game

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yeah also that lol

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Really?

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it’s complicated

[sand tusk]

It doesnt feel like that much damage

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It is, but dio has a catch to him

[half crater]

(excluding T2 zeus boons and high potential damage from poseidon’s call if you play really well)

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it’s a lot

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Certainly not Aphrodite's 2.5K l

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While his call is going off, no hitting a boss with other sources of dio

You will overwrite the poison

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it’s more than aphro’s 2.5k by a lot

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That’s more of a glitch than a real critique of dio, but still

[agile plover]

Merciful End seems strong with Varatha as well 🤔

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Yeah but that's only for a few seconds