h1-builds-and-combat

[sinful stratus]

the duality

[misty turret]

ok time to do another attempt at 32 heat shield

[sinful stratus]

i agree, i got my fastest run at 18 minutes on god mode, that's why i'm kinda not proud of it lol

[keen mesa]

my highest heat so far in hell mode is at 25 with zag fists, dodge build

haven't been able to clear 32 so far

[misty turret]

my easiest 32 clear was with guan yu

[sinful stratus]

if i get the third skelly statue i'm going to try hell mode bc why not

[misty turret]

since it heals despite LC4

[sinful stratus]

what hammer upgrades did you have for that

[misty turret]

quick spin/winged serpent

[keen mesa]

the only difference between hell mode and regular is that you lose your invincibility that triggers automatically on bursts of damage

(and you start at 5 heat)

[misty turret]

yeah bounties are 5 - 25 instead of 0 - 20 iirc

[keen mesa]

yep

[sinful stratus]

youch

you start the game with ||the pact already,|| right?

[keen mesa]

yeah

[misty turret]

yeah iirc

[keen mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/OaOuGS7.png

[misty turret]

you have to have HL1 LC1 JS1 CP1 and personal liability always

[keen mesa]

that's hell mode, you can't turn those off

[misty turret]

mfw discord lagged so my message didn't send

[mental blaze]

i can be your angle or yuor devil

[naive solstice]

When faced with a choice between trial of the gods (both gods being part of your main build) and a chaos gate, which of the two would you pick?

trial for two boons, or chaos for that low chance you get a high attack/special modifier?

[misty turret]

trial probably

chaos is too random

[mental blaze]

depends

[sinful stratus]

trial if i'm chasing a specific build, chaos for more perks to stats

[misty turret]

i've genuinely had chaos rooms like
damage on attack, +darkness/gems
damage on special, +backstab damage
damage on attack, +cast damage

[sinful stratus]

i run fated persuasion that's why i jump into chaos gates if i can

[misty turret]

as my choices

you don't need to spoiler tag in here

[sinful stratus]

oh i see, got used to it on other channels lol

[naive solstice]

understandable

although trial can also be an annoyance when you get swarmed with greatshields only to get bad boons from both gods

[serene zealot]

It'd depend on how close to a boss the gate is for me, I don't want stuck with a curse during it, so I'd rather take the two boons.

[misty turret]

on my way to fight 15 elite greatshields with athena support and then proceed to get divine strike, flourish, and phalanx shot

[sinful stratus]

this too

[arctic leaf]

Working on an Eris sea storm build. Think I got the pieces. Should this work? So far I got Poseidon attack. I equipped the Zeus keepsake and am going to grab the cast. That should allow access to sea storm right? Then get jolted and rain down death and destruction?

[sinful stratus]

yes, afaik

[naive solstice]

Asking this question because I am currently faced with a Charon/Zeus+Aphrodite Trial/Eurydice/Chaos Gate crossroads and I have never been this stumped trying to figure out where to go

[serene zealot]

Oh wow

[misty turret]

i mean, is it last shop of floor or midshop

or ig how much money do you have

[arctic leaf]

Also totally agree with the chaos boon after mid shop. Gotta be careful with that one. Personally, I think Eurydice is the best room in the game. That would be my go to. But those are all pretty solid.

[naive solstice]

obv midshop if I can pick Trial

216 Obols

[misty turret]

eurydice if no money, charon if money

[serene zealot]

I'd save your money then, that's not too much

[arctic leaf]

I’d go Eurydice unless I REALLY needed health or DD.

[misty turret]

216 is enough to buy like one boon and nothing else so i'd just take eurydice

[sinful stratus]

if your build is still pretty empty, take the trial
if you're satisfied with your current boons, take eurydice
if your health is kinda low, take charon and hope for a heal
only pick chaos gate if you're far from the boss like at chamber 18 or something

[serene zealot]

^^^

[tawny kindle]

What do you guys pick in Eurydice?

[misty turret]

ambrosia delight

[serene zealot]

Depends on how many boons I have that can be affected by a pom

[tawny kindle]

Ambrosia is the one with +2 boons rarity
?

[misty turret]

yeah

2 random boons you own get +1 rarity

[sinful stratus]

either the ambrosia delight or the other one that increases the level of four random boons

[naive solstice]

usually ambrosia, nectar if I get really unlucky with boons

[serene zealot]

Same as Psyn

[arctic leaf]

I almost always go for the rarity boost.

Sorry. The future rarity boost.

[naive solstice]

I run pom keepsake usually anyway so her poms aren't of much use to me

[serene zealot]

The rarity one for the next boons you get is nice, but at that point I just want some upgrades normally.

[serene zealot]

Do you keep it on the whole run? I'm still working on maxing every keepsake so I don't have a set plan of what to use yet.

[arctic leaf]

With diminishing returns on poms it’s hard to justify. Maybe if you have all four major boons?

[misty turret]

persephone keepsake is ok but i prefer gods/acorn for build/survivability respectively

[arctic leaf]

I could see upping rarity if I’ve specialized into one button and have that set up, but the thought of a better chance to get duos and legendaries is too tempting to me.

[naive solstice]

Nah, I usually either only keep it until Asphodel/Elysium or take a different keepsake initially and get the pom late into the run

[sinful stratus]

i only take acorn for the last boss fight

[naive solstice]

Depends on the build

[arctic leaf]

Yeah. Acorn is my Styx keepsake.

[serene zealot]

Ah

[naive solstice]

I used to take acorn all the time but after enough clears Hades becomes less of a threat than the tiny vermin lol

[serene zealot]

Acorn isn't my favorite, I understand how good it is, but I like having an effect on the entire area.

[arctic leaf]

Maybe I’ll eventually get good enough that I won’t need it, but once those mobs start adding, I like to know that I won’t be ruined by a stray shot.

[misty turret]

mfw 2 of my 32 heat shield attempts in a row have died to the stupid elite butterfly ball

would be fine if shield had any darn damage

[naive solstice]

Poison and greatshields are the biggest threats to me atm and there ain't no keepsake that can protect you against those

[serene zealot]

Greatshields aren't bad if you've got a dash that hits them from behind as you dash through them.

[misty turret]

greatshields aren't as bad as longspears imo

bc like greatshields stuff is all kinda slow

[sinful stratus]

lmao i hate longspears at FO1, haven't even tried FO2 yet

[misty turret]

FO2 longspears are actual dog

[naive solstice]

Even shipeus is easier to take on than a single greatshield hidden in the crowd ready to blast your ass with the triple wave attack

[misty turret]

shipeus?

[naive solstice]

EM3

[misty turret]

em3 theseus is easier than meg

asterius is the main threat in em3

[naive solstice]

true

[sinful stratus]

the only time i kill theseus first

[slim lynx]

i just go for asterius first in em3 regardless

[naive solstice]

but I usually run fists so chasing him is a pain while there's a massive beyblade spinning in the arena

[sinful stratus]

oh also i haven't tried EM4 yet, to those that have do you have any tips or something

[slim lynx]

if theseus is alone he's just a yelling stick in a car

[naive solstice]

lmao

[misty turret]

below 50% in phase 2 be prepared to run to the bottom right or top left corner (you'll know why when it happens )
there's 3 phases

hades has a healing move, break the pots

[sinful stratus]

how do i break the pots with a melee weapon without getting stuck

[naive solstice]

I tried em4 once

My mental state still hasn't healed enough to try it again

[misty turret]

hit and dash away

unless you're arthur and then just whack hades ig

[sinful stratus]

oh right, it has a delay

[misty turret]

hades just raw spin attack he does twice in a row

not the slash-slash-spin combo though

[slim lynx]

do you ever just get a stupid broken build with insane dps and be like "why didn't turn on em4!!!!!!!!"

[misty turret]

phase 3 is really dark and so its hard to see hades

[slim lynx]

why is the screen so dark in phase 3 anyways

[naive solstice]

which bow and fist aspects are best for not getting killed by this trickster?

[slim lynx]

dude might as well just use his own power and become "unseen"

if zagreus can do it why can't he smhsmh

[misty turret]

oh yeah i forgot to mention in phase 3 he can poof away and then teleport next to you -> lasers

that attack sucks

[mental blaze]

cast?

[slim lynx]

the lasers also have very little startup from what i've seen

so yikes

[misty turret]

yeah if you get nicked by lasers you're getting hit 2-3 times minimum

[slim lynx]

if you're feeling brave just hug him

[sinful stratus]

is that the 360 laser attack

[misty turret]

you cannot hug hades in em4

it does not work

[slim lynx]

oh

[misty turret]

he pulses during lasers and knocks you back

[slim lynx]

oh god

then you should probably have greatest reflex so you can easily dash behind a pillar

[sinful stratus]

remind me to try it out without any other punishment, i think that in itself is enough lol

[naive solstice]

em4 hades spits on malphon users

[slim lynx]

two dashes likely isn't gonna cut it in that scenario

[naive solstice]

[slim lynx]

i'll just try to get the homing hammer + flurry fire on zag rail and hope shooting from behind a pillar works out one way or another

[coral cave]

Funny enough I did my first em4 hades with fists

I lost on rail but won on fists

Somehow

[misty turret]

em4 is hectic but fun

[slim lynx]

if i ever do em4 i wanna do it with fists

that's the weapon i used to get my first clear anyways

[sinful stratus]

don't you just hate it when your rail grenade/trippy shot bounces back to you if it hits the pillar

[coral cave]

Oh wait that's not right

[slim lynx]

32 heat with zag fists

[coral cave]

I did my first em4 with rail and failed on fists

Whoops

[misty turret]

zag fists aren't even bad

one of the better zag aspects tbh

[slim lynx]

zag rail is also nice

[sinful stratus]

how much dodge does it give at max

[misty turret]

+15%

[coral cave]

I think compared to the other fist aspects it's kinda underwhelming

Zag bow is also pretty good

[misty turret]

+15% is a little under 1 in 6 attacks dodged

[coral cave]

Slap an arte attack on and you're coasting

[slim lynx]

zag fists + lambent plume + tight deadline 3 + greater evasion 😩

tight deadline is there so you're absolutely forced to power the plume or else

[misty turret]

i love how with heat there's certain things that are just Death™️ and then some things that literally don't matter

[sinful stratus]

tried zag spear on max just for the memes but it was actually decent, with the speed and everything

[slim lynx]

tight deadline and personal liability pretty much

[misty turret]

TD1 and TD2 are free, TD3 is annoying but manageable

PL does nothing yeah

[naive solstice]

Getting greater evasion on zag fists feels like a dream come true

35% dodge if you get epic rarity

[misty turret]

the amount of damage you need to take for the invinciblity PL removes to activate is high enough where you'd lose without PL anyway

[naive solstice]

throw in hermes keepsake there

[misty turret]

but then you have stuff like AP or RI which are just not worth it on anything below 40

[slim lynx]

@naive solstice

[naive solstice]

and hahahaha tight deadline

ha-
one of the only pacts I'm not willing to do

[misty turret]

zag spear is imo one of the worst aspects

[naive solstice]

True

[slim lynx]

i've seen someone do an explosive special build with something that isn't guan yu

[naive solstice]

even zag shield aspect gets flat damage

zag spear is just

pity boost

[slim lynx]

you just rapidly throw skewers that go boom at your enemies

bonus if you have swift flourish

[sinful stratus]

tried that yondu build and almost got it perfect but i didn't get sea storm

[slim lynx]

i wanna try replicating that

[sinful stratus]

unlucky

[naive solstice]

Oh that's actually one of my favourite spear builds

[slim lynx]

also because i haven't actually gotten explosive skewer for the prophecy yet

[naive solstice]

it's like the usual rail special build but faster and less boring

[slim lynx]

it's like the triple rocket's little brother

who's way better at doing their job than them

[misty turret]

eris users on their way to take zeus attack for the 3 billionth time like

[slim lynx]

thunder strike is so boring

and from my experience it's not even that strong

[naive solstice]

Lightning strike can be cool
just not on the rail

[slim lynx]

broseidon rail builds are better imo

[misty turret]

i mean adding 12 damage to each 15 damage shot is like +80% damage with a common boon like

i get why its good

god forbid you get splitting bolt and have 15+12+40

[sinful stratus]

tried lucifer super soaker build bc i found it on reddit lol

[slim lynx]

meanwhile you can get tempest strike and then sea storm

[naive solstice]

It is good damage-wise but good god is it boring to do it

[misty turret]

poseidon is very hit or miss for me

either it makes the run or i purge his boon asap

[slim lynx]

splitting bolt doesn't even proc if there's only one target

[misty turret]

splitting bolt is the legendary and yeah it does? i think anyway

[naive solstice]

Why pew-pew with lightning bullets when you can punch the ever-living sh*t out of your opponents with terrifying thunder fists

[misty turret]

i mean tbf gun is like

the most boring weapon in hades

[naive solstice]

Hard agree

[slim lynx]

eris looks fun but i haven't tried it for myself

[naive solstice]

I don't judge people who use it but it's the only weapon I actively avoid

[slim lynx]

in general the rail is really boring though

spread fire with zag is fun though

[misty turret]

i avoid shield because it has bad damage

[slim lynx]

like it's basically heavy duty fists that doesn't stunlock for some reason

[misty turret]

rail doesn't flinch enemies on attacks because lmao

[sinful stratus]

i actually like shield bc of the blocks

[slim lynx]

spear feels really weird to use

like i just can't get used to it

[sinful stratus]

beowulf with trippy flare is pretty nutty

[naive solstice]

I actually had a quite ridiculous shield build recently that wasn't using the aspect of zeus

[misty turret]

spear is good just weird yeah

[empty heron]

Bad damage? Are you just using shield throw?

[slim lynx]

i had an absurd chaos shield doom build the first time i actually tried it out

[misty turret]

bow is probably the strongest wep in hades beyond like eris stuff with cluster rockets

[sinful stratus]

zeus shield is the only aspect i've never used, like ever

[empty heron]

Its good

[misty turret]

i unlocked and maxed zeus shield, used it twice and then never again

ill just stick with beo

[slim lynx]

spamming bull rush and special with chaos is fun, especially when it can kill asterius and theseus in less than 30 seconds

[sinful stratus]

the blitz disc is weird for me

[misty turret]

zeus shield would be better if the shield projectile didn't move at .3 meters per year

[slim lynx]

but then most people say it's worse with swift flourish

[empty heron]

It sits there and does its job faithfully wym

[slim lynx]

i think it's the range that's the issue

[sinful stratus]

the only thing i hate about beowulf is if i have cast loaded and i'm ready to dash, the enemy gets inside the max dash range so the damage doesn't proc

[slim lynx]

since it moves so far it can be hard to aim properly

[empty heron]

If you special while its out it chases you like a little destructo disk

[misty turret]

zeus shield is way too 5head for me

when beo is just get passion flare -> spam cast -> charge -> win

[slim lynx]

if only there was a hammer that let me throw three blitz discs at once 😩

i like how with the hidden aspects some incompatible hammers are just replaced with new ones with somewhat similar functions

like infinite chamber on lucifer

[misty turret]

infinite chamber kinda terrible ngl

[slim lynx]

i wanna see the zeus counterpart of dread flight

[misty turret]

damage ramping is like half of lucifer's damage

[empty heron]

Y'all are just bad at shield, I'm so sorry. The shield throw in every aspect is supplemental damage. Your main damage still comes from bull rushing and attacking. The special is to do damage while you're not there or too far away.

[slim lynx]

yeah i'm not saying infinite chamber is good lmao

[naive solstice]

Here's a shield build that was surprisingly fun to execute:

Max Aspect of Zagreus
Pulverizing Blow (Attack hits twice)
Minotaur Rush (Power Rush +500% damage)
Deadly Strike (Artemis Attack)
Drunken Flourish (Dionysus Special) and Flood Shot (Poseidon Cast) for crowd control + privileged status

The first four lines are what matters

[slim lynx]

i actually haven't touched zag shield

ever

[misty turret]

same

i don't like the zag aspects much

[sinful stratus]

zag aspects are bland imo

[misty turret]

sword is ok, bow is good, fists are good, gun is ok

but yeah they're just boring

[naive solstice]

True

[slim lynx]

like the damage boost is nice but it looks so underwhelming like i really spend 5 titan blood on this

[sinful stratus]

they have their own perks but they don't compare to other aspects

[slim lynx]

then again there's zag spear so it's not the worst

[naive solstice]

I don't mind throwing away titan blood for potentially fun runs

[empty heron]

Zag spear isn't even bad tbh, just boring

[misty turret]

not a lot can be worse than zag spear

[undone sparrow]

tips for beo?

[misty turret]

relative to other zag aspects and other spear aspects its just bad

[slim lynx]

is there a build for shield that just disregards bull rush entirely

[sinful stratus]

don't load all the stones in one dash, try to use them one by one

[empty heron]

Play spear.

[slim lynx]

like literally your entire source of damage is just normal attacks/special

[undone sparrow]

thanks

[misty turret]

pulverizing strike + empowering flight zeus shield?

perhaps

[slim lynx]

is dread flight good for chaos? probably not but i wanna hear your opinions

[naive solstice]

zeus shield with basically any status effect

[misty turret]

dread flight is bad

especially with chaos

[sinful stratus]

haven't tried it but i imagine shields flying everywhere

[slim lynx]

you can't get dread flight on zeus right?

[naive solstice]

dread flight doesn't work for chaos shield

[mental blaze]

what does dread flight do again

[empty heron]

It works for the main shield thats it

[naive solstice]

and outright doesn't show up on zeus

[undone sparrow]

is greater recall good with beo?

[empty heron]

It chains your shield bounces

[misty turret]

shield pierces 4 foes before returning

[sinful stratus]

special ricochets more

[misty turret]

means your shield stays out for an obnoxious amount of time

[slim lynx]

the extra shield don't bounce, which is a massive, massive letdown since dread flight on chaos in this case just makes you wait longer until you can get the bull-rushes going again

[misty turret]

= not having the ability to block much

[sinful stratus]

that's just sad

[slim lynx]

i also hate how chain skewer and dread flight fly in random directions if they hit a wall

[naive solstice]

from the wiki

Dread Flight

Your Special can strike up to 4 additional foes before returning.
Incompatible with Aspect of Zeus
Does not work with Chaos Aspect's multi-shield special (still works with normal special)

[slim lynx]

dread flight is just super annoying to use

[misty turret]

dread flight is way worse than other things you could take in its place

[sinful stratus]

lmao i remember when the shield would fly off in asphodel before bc it had no walls

[empty heron]

If you have doom on shield it's amazing, but it's situational

[naive solstice]

dread flight only really works on zag aspect for applying debuffs better imo

[slim lynx]

shame how the multi-shields are basically only affected by status curse boons

[naive solstice]

true

[slim lynx]

they're not even affected by swift flourish

[naive solstice]

chaos aspect would be so much better if the additional shields behaved like regular ones

currently it's just sort of... useless

it doesn't even hit half the time

[slim lynx]

maybe if i didn't have to wait for the actual shield to make its way back so i can use it again

[sinful stratus]

if it acted like talon's rake from league it would actually be worth it

[slim lynx]

but that's just asking too much

i have tried dread flight with beo and it has potential

feels like a chain skewer guan yu build

[misty turret]

i've seen the light recently and have come to realize GY is probably the best spear aspect

achilles is nice but GY healing goes crazy

[naive solstice]

do not bring up league assassins, I will turn you into a chew toy for Cerberus

but yeah dread flight is okay for ares

[slim lynx]

literally my first impressions with gy were "eww zeus shield but bad!!!!!!!" but now i feel like it's the only spear aspect i've gotten used to playing with

[naive solstice]

not much for anything else really

[sinful stratus]

does gy special even do damage

[misty turret]

apparently??? i've not used it much but apparently it's good

[sinful stratus]

idk i focus too much on upgrading attack and almost completely disregard the special

[naive solstice]

Guan Yu is the least fun aspect in the game for me

[slim lynx]

people really like gy special

[misty turret]

i prefer building out my spins and getting all that healing

[slim lynx]

i've seen its power first-hand and wow does it have a lot of power

[misty turret]

imo, DD > SD for guan yu at LC4

[slim lynx]

just get charged skewer and arty/aphro on special and you're golden

[sinful stratus]

i remember running gy up until hades and dying before almost killing him

my first rage in this game lol

[naive solstice]

I don't care if it has good damage, the awful speed and heal reduction make the weapon tedious to use

[misty turret]

heal reduction really doesn't matter bc your main source of healing with GY is the spin

[naive solstice]

especially with the necessity to spam spin to get any meaningful amount of health back after you get poked three times trying to pull off a simple combo

[sinful stratus]

but i've actually enjoyed it to the point that i prefer it over hades aspect

[misty turret]

achilles > others for spear mobility though

raging rush is also intangible for its entirety afaik

[empty heron]

Death defiances heal 50% of your health. If you would have had 300 hp, and you go into the final boss with 2 DDs, how much total HP do you have? Now cut it in half.

[slim lynx]

quick spin + massive spin on gy is pretty nice

[sinful stratus]

getting serrated point on achilles is just satisfying

[misty turret]

what

[slim lynx]

since it already does a lot of damage and hits a lot you could try building for unhealthy fixation

[empty heron]

Imagine you walk into the final boss and immedietly get hit with 300 damage

That's what using GY is like

[naive solstice]

achilles aspect is the only fun spear aspect imo

[misty turret]

but it's not???

you're only taking 300 damage immediately in final boss if you're actively suiciding into hades

[empty heron]

Are you going to heal 300hp?

[misty turret]

that's your fault, not guan yu's

[sinful stratus]

i can't even heal spin in the hades fight

i just hope for the best lmao

[empty heron]

Does the healing actually make up for the health loss? Are you going to sit there and get hit while you spin to heal?

[misty turret]

i fought FO2 hades with GY using primarily spins

you have more than enough time to dash away from him and spin

[naive solstice]

hades is the most balanced, guan yu has the most damage, achilles brings you the most enjoyment

that's how I see the spear

[misty turret]

if you try to spin in hades' face then yes you will get clapped

[sinful stratus]

i'll write that down

[naive solstice]

lmao

[misty turret]

honestly GY is a projectile weapon mainly

[sinful stratus]

tried to suggest a hammer weapon on reddit but it got stuck in new

[empty heron]

Monster Hunter style?

[naive solstice]

How to beat Hades 101:

Do not try to spit in mean dad's face for his slap in your face hits harder than artemis's trial dialogue

[sinful stratus]

i was thinking a more lightweight one, since the game's attacks are usually fast-paced

[misty turret]

real

[sinful stratus]

its aspects would be zag/hephaestus/ares/thor (hidden)

maybe hercules even

[misty turret]

athena after trials: oh it's ok we all fight here
artemis after trials: i will skin and eat you if you do this again, zagreus

[toxic warren]

So, I got the hidden aspect of the fists of Malphon. I’m thinking Aphrodite special is gonna be good for this attack.

[sinful stratus]

i imagined ares used a hammer before switching to blades or something like that

[serene zealot]

I could also see him with a battle axe

[naive solstice]

aspect of daedalus 👀

[coral cave]

I've never picked against artemis before

Because I dare not see what lies there

[serene zealot]

I did once and felt so bad

[coral cave]

I would rather die irl than side against artemis

[sinful stratus]

thought of this one too but the game already has his hammers for upgrades

[toxic warren]

I never pick against Aphrodite after picking against her once.

[misty turret]

aphrodite is the worst god to side against in trials

[sinful stratus]

or poseidon

[naive solstice]

Tbh her dialogue is more difficult to handle than her actual attacks when it comes to Artemis

[misty turret]

a small price to pay for not taking emotional damage from arty tho

[coral cave]

I don't care who the other god is I'm always picking artemis

[naive solstice]

dash for a bit, stop and fight, dash for a bit

[serene zealot]

^^^

[sinful stratus]

hate it if you're caught in mobs and a wave just wrecks you

[slim lynx]

she's so passive-aggressive when you're done

[sinful stratus]

but i got used to it and aphro is the worst

[toxic warren]

I never dealt with Dionysus’ wrath when not picking him in the trial of the gods.

[serene zealot]

Or drags you into the lava in asphodel

[misty turret]

aphrodite's heart projectile is actually a disguised Thomas the Tank Engine that is hell-bent on killing you

[sinful stratus]

dionysus dialogue is probably the least guilt-tripping out of all of them

[naive solstice]

Aphrodite is the most difficult in trials

[serene zealot]

Eh, or Athena's

[naive solstice]

especially in Elysium

[willow haven]

i love his voice lol

[misty turret]

athena isn't bad for trials

just annoying

[serene zealot]

Yeah

[sinful stratus]

yup

[toxic warren]

Dion has the best male god voice in the game. It’s so lax man.

[sinful stratus]

i remember picking against her and the mobs were greatshields

[misty turret]

demeter is also really really annoying in trials

[naive solstice]

Athena shielding the recovering greatshield like:

[misty turret]

demeter trial or theseus+demeter are the worst

[serene zealot]

Demeter can be, unless you've got good range then it's not quite as bad

[willow haven]

yeah imo poseidon is the easiest

[toxic warren]

I don’t have much issue with Poseidon.

[naive solstice]

Poseidon in Asphodel is pure unfiltered pain

[sinful stratus]

what's the worst god theseus can take in your opinion

[serene zealot]

Hm

[slim lynx]

demeter

[willow haven]

i've mostly had trouble with demeter against theseus

[serene zealot]

Demeter is the only one I really hate seeing, the rest I can manage

[naive solstice]

when you're running heightened security you never pick against poseidon

[slim lynx]

demeter is jsut generally the worst god to not have on your side

[toxic warren]

Yeah Demeter might be it. Those blizzards aren’t fun.

[misty turret]

this implies you're running heightened security at all though

[naive solstice]

and yes, demeter for theseus

[misty turret]

HS is so bad

[toxic warren]

Don’t get Winter/Season Grandma mad.

[willow haven]

[misty turret]

150 base damage on hades pots... it's not worth the one heat trust me

[willow haven]

fr fr

[slim lynx]

don't piss off winter grandma or she's gonna make sure you never feel the light of day ever again

[naive solstice]

imo it's bearable outside of melee runs

[willow haven]

i had no idea why i was having that much trouble with hades pots until i disabled that heat

because i have trouble destroying them

[naive solstice]

tried it on fists and spear a few times and haha nope

[misty turret]

it's really not worth it though, when you could just take another level of CF or something

[sinful stratus]

aphrodite's probably the easiest because the circles surround you so you just stand there waiting for it to be over

for theseus i mean

[willow haven]

ares is fine as well

[misty turret]

aphro theseus is fine

arty theseus is easiest

[sinful stratus]

but i've had my fair share of dashing through it out of panic

[willow haven]

dino feels weird

[misty turret]

zeus theseus is weird because like one second i'm at 240/265 and the next i'm like 40/265

[sinful stratus]

i hate how random zeus theseus is

[misty turret]

like i never realize i'm taking so much damage from it

[slim lynx]

zeus' aoe can suck in the case that it can damage you

athena is also really annoying

[sinful stratus]

i get that they're playing on his impulsivity and all that but it's annoying

[serene zealot]

I'll still take Theseus with Athena over Demeter any day

[naive solstice]

Zeus theseus makes me wish my lightning boons wouldn't hit like a wet noodle

[misty turret]

on EM3 i can usually kill theseus before he's done calling his god (no shield)

battie + some attacking is usually enough for a third of theseus' hp

[slim lynx]

the circles are already difficult to dodge and wow thanks i didn't think i had to be reminded how good i had it that hades is normally the only one who can do a massive spin attack that deals big damage

[misty turret]

i know than keepsake can oneshot theseus

in em3 phase 2

[naive solstice]

yeah em3 theseus can get taken down before the aoe gets too ridiculous

[sinful stratus]

i've never taken any other companion after i tried mort

[serene zealot]

Aphrodite's greater call is also good for removing his health fast

[slim lynx]

taking down theseus before his god call is over usually is pretty easy

i like how aphrodite's specialty is in weakening foes and putting them at a direct disadvantage and also ripping them to goddamn shreds

[misty turret]

ikr

[serene zealot]

Same

[misty turret]

aphrodite's +damage% on her boons is actually kinda big

[slim lynx]

literally that's just her call, if you use it at max gauge it deals 2500 damage

[misty turret]

aphrodite is, in my opinion, one of the strongest gods

[naive solstice]

aphrodite's call is so good but I really wish Hades wouldn't trigger invulnerability the way he does cause greater call feels like a waste when you could chunk a third of his HP and instead you only get him down a notch

[serene zealot]

I tend to always take her on my attack or special if I can

[misty turret]

very few times in which having aphrodite is bad

[serene zealot]

Her and Artemis seem the most overall useful

[misty turret]

zeus is also pretty good all-around

[serene zealot]

True

[naive solstice]

I wish Demeter was stronger tbh

[misty turret]

most niche god is probably poseidon

[sinful stratus]

it's almost the same as ares

[misty turret]

ares is nice through stuff like Blade Dash or Urge to Kill

[naive solstice]

She has more boons for casts than for chill attack/special/dash while her cast is that toy laser gun you got for your 6th birthday

[serene zealot]

Her cast isn't bad, just weird

[misty turret]

hey don't bash demeter cast, it can do some nice supplemental damage

[slim lynx]

i got a demeter build on fists and wow it was strong

[misty turret]

Crystal Clarity is nice if you can get it

[serene zealot]

It's nice on the hydra, but everyone else moves a bit too much

[sinful stratus]

yup if i take demeter i always try to take artemis 2nd

[naive solstice]

But why would you get Demeter cast when you can get the literal bullet train that is poseidon cast

[sinful stratus]

esp if i want her crystal beam

[slim lynx]

a shame i couldn't get killing freeze since that would have been some really nice extra damage but what can you do

[sinful stratus]

thoughts on cold embrace (demeter cast + aphro duo)

[slim lynx]

it sucks

don't use it

lol

[misty turret]

demeter legendary is great but you need like 3 demeter boons already to get it

[serene zealot]

Haven't tried it yet

[misty turret]

cold embrace is really bad

[sinful stratus]

i only used it for the prophecy tbh

[naive solstice]

who also has a duo boon that makes you shoot 3 additional minor casts

[sinful stratus]

i hated it too lol

[serene zealot]

I have tried Poseidon cast and Demeter duo, that was fun on Hera

[sinful stratus]

it's satisfying to see the scythe over hades executing him

[misty turret]

i'd much rather just have crystal clarity than cold embrace

demeter's quips against hades are funny

with winter harvest

"you reap what you sow!"

[slim lynx]

using crystal beam already requires good positioning, cold embrace literally forces you to be in a good position or else it just does absolutely nothing at all

[naive solstice]

You know what's a bit bad

[misty turret]

i'd use cold fusion more if it would ever show up

[naive solstice]

the fact that poseidon+demeter duo feels like the demeter cast she deserved but never received

[serene zealot]

^^^^^^

[misty turret]

cold embrace removes the fire-and-forget part of crystal beam

[slim lynx]

i was offered cold fusion on my fists build but i was already applying jolted really easily with dash so i just went with ice wine instead, then after that i got scintillating feast

[serene zealot]

I'd prefer her current cast as a weird boon that switches how it works tbh

[misty turret]

ice wine is great

[sinful stratus]

ah yes, the cryo nuke

[misty turret]

fixes the issues of trippy shot while giving it more damage

and inflicting chill

[naive solstice]

ice wine is good too

[sinful stratus]

i almost replaced hunting blades as my favorite duo boon with scint feast+ice wine when i first had it

[naive solstice]

Honestly why is Demeter a support god

out of all others

[sinful stratus]

lmao yeah she literally has FISTS for weapons

[misty turret]

demeter legendary reqs me taking two of any Arctic Blast, Ravenous Will, and Killing Freeze which are all like okay but not something i'd seek out

so i never get demeter legendary

[sinful stratus]

arctic blast is a hassle

[naive solstice]

I only ever take her main boons if I'm going after a specific duo to boost another god's powers

[slim lynx]

funnily enough her boons work really well with fists from my experience

[naive solstice]

She works on malphon but not much else

[serene zealot]

I like arctic blast tbh

[sinful stratus]

chill is easy to max out with fists too

[naive solstice]

nothing can quite apply Chill the way fists do

[misty turret]

decay effect is good and so is ravenous will, arctic blast i usually don't take though

[slim lynx]

arctic blast with fists is great

it's just some nice extra damage

[misty turret]

like if i have the option of Nourished Soul, Arctic Blast, and Frozen Touch i'm not taking Arctic Blast

[naive solstice]

Arctic blast does crazy damage if you have attack speed on fists

but if it's common rarity and on a slower weapon then nope I ain't taking that

[serene zealot]

I had it on Zag rail once, with the homing shot hammer, it was fairly nice to have.

[slim lynx]

i don't know if arctic blast is good on chiron or not

like it seems like a really weird combination

[misty turret]

if chill special it's probably good

[naive solstice]

I tried it on Chiron

[serene zealot]

Not sure, I've never taken demeter's special for Chiron

[slim lynx]

it's not bad by any means it just seems weird

[misty turret]

you're already applying 8 chill per special so it's gonna activate a lot

[sinful stratus]

demeter on chiron special is pretty good too

[naive solstice]

if you have the additional +4 shots and that totals 10 or more then hell yes take the demeter special and arctic blast

[misty turret]

demeter is a good defensive choice if you don't want dio on chiron special

[naive solstice]

it's honestly surprisingly fun on that specific chiron build

[serene zealot]

I'll need to try that then

I've been going for Zeus or Dio special on it so far

[naive solstice]

if you can get pressure points as well then it can really chunk

or aphrodite attack/cast and sweet surrender (weak foes take more damage)

[serene zealot]

Sweet Surrender is so good

[sinful stratus]

combine it with concentrated volley and you're breezing

[misty turret]

aphro attack on chiron is almost a given

[serene zealot]

^

[slim lynx]

aphro's t2 boons are literally never a bad choice

[misty turret]

aphro attack + Empty Inside/Broken Resolve/Sweet Surrender is always good

[slim lynx]

+7 seconds duration or more? hell yeah

[serene zealot]

Or the random chance to charm

It's good as a brief stun on enemies

[slim lynx]

+12% damage reduction so the enemy basically deals halved damage now? absolutely

[misty turret]

aphro special can even work on chiron with Unhealthy Fixation yeah

[slim lynx]

enemy takes more damage??????? why not??????????????

[misty turret]

i think i read in #h1-high-heat-strategies that aphro special w/ charm has like 78% chance to charm per special on chiron

[tame bison]

Aphro easily best god

[serene zealot]

Eh, hard to say if I prefer her over Artemis

[slim lynx]

what about relentless

[serene zealot]

Crits are great

[misty turret]

i honestly don't know the math

[naive solstice]

I'm actually swapping it around and taking aphro special instead of attack this time

[tame bison]

Artemis Tier 2 aren’t as good

[sinful stratus]

i'm a sucker for support fire tho

[tame bison]

Speaking overall not like one strike vs another

[serene zealot]

^^^^^^

[naive solstice]

got sweet surrender so that chiron special really hurt lernie

[serene zealot]

My favorite boon tbh

[sinful stratus]

i take it every chance i get except if it's common

[slim lynx]

support fire on rail/fists is really good

[tame bison]

Support fire is great. But like clean kill/hunters Mark/crit dmg vs armor are all mediocre vs sweet surrender/weak resolve/life affirmation

Anyways, just an opinion

[slim lynx]

it has an internal cooldown like thunder bolts so maybe not so good on stuff like chiron

[misty turret]

ok i did the math myself and its actually 72% with 8 shots, 85% with 12

[slim lynx]

hide breaker isn't that good

[misty turret]

consider the following

[naive solstice]

hide breaker is only good in elysium and styx

[slim lynx]

your crits already deal massive damage why should they have to deal even greater damage to armor when they already pretty much tear through armor

[naive solstice]

outside of that it's obsolete

[serene zealot]

Support Fire is nice on Hera actually, since it triggers when you load your casts too

[slim lynx]

that's basically what, like 40 damage though

[naive solstice]

and ye support fire is good on hera but pretty much useless on Chiron

[serene zealot]

It's still better then nothing

[naive solstice]

sub-100 damage so meh

[misty turret]

achilles spear, vicious skewer
heartbreak strike, deadly flourish, heart rend, clean kill

[slim lynx]

might as well just pick something else but whatever

[fair plinth]

wooo

[misty turret]

had that combo a couple times

was fun af

[fair plinth]

beat EM4 without broken spearpoint and didnt lose a single DD

starting to get the hang of it

[misty turret]

gj

[fair plinth]

granted I had an OpieOP chiron build with perfect hammers

[misty turret]

OP chiron build
oh so how chiron usually is

[naive solstice]

Congrats :D

[sinful stratus]

literally my go-to bow

[serene zealot]

^

[sinful stratus]

congrats!

[fair plinth]

well i had both concentrated volley + relentless volley

[naive solstice]

hades spear, vicious skewer, divine flourish, blinding flash, deadly reversal

[fair plinth]

epic tempest flourish and wave pounding

[misty turret]

honestly the worst special for chiron is probably ares and even then

[fair plinth]

hades died while channeling his heal so I guess I was doing some insane damage

[misty turret]

dire misfortune exists

[naive solstice]

I had luck with demeter and got both divine flourish and blinding flash to be heroic

backstabs killed hades in no time

[sinful stratus]

achilles spear, serrated point, curse of pain, heartbreak flourish, curse of longing

[misty turret]

imo curse of nausea is one of the stronger duos out there

[sinful stratus]

i haven't actually seen its full potential since i only took it for the prophecy and not again after that but i'll try it again sometime

curse of drowning is pretty anticlimactic too

[misty turret]

calculated risk also has literally 0 downsides

and makes hades so much easier

[sinful stratus]

like it sounds scary but you're just diving into mobs hoping for some damage but you actually take more damage than you like

[misty turret]

honestly dio doesn't have any bad duos

[naive solstice]

true

ares/dionysos duo isn't as impactful as the rest but still very good

[misty turret]

ares/dio practically increases all hangover dps by 30%

[sinful stratus]

decided to update the sigil wiki page and add the poison removal thing

[mental wing]

I just hit for 1090!

+300% to armour, +200% backstab, +80% attack damage, +4% critical,

[slim lynx]

doing a hestia run and so far i've just been like "PLEASE JUST DIE" because i made the mistake of enabling td2

and also pierced butterfly to add to the stress

[naive solstice]

this is why you don't play the rail

[gray lintel]

weird thing i found out on a rail run: mirage shot with regenerating gems lodges gems in things twice. i am unsure if it works like that with the droppable gems. mostly important for uh exit wounds

[slim lynx]

hmm

stygian soul better for cast builds confirmed?

[serene zealot]

Seems like it

Unless you really prefer having more casts

[manic needle]

I think it's only good with demeter and ares cast with duos

Aspect of Poseidon gets rid of the downsides of having to grab bloodstones

[slim lynx]

is greater recall good for poseidon or is it just a waste of a hermes boon because you're already so close to your enemy

[floral widget]

I'm trying to complete one of the fates' request but aphrodite don't want ti give me her legendary boon ...
Is there something I should know for that ? Like an incompatible boon ?

[misty turret]

you need something that inflicts weak (e.g. heartbreak strike) and one of her tier 2s (empty inside, sweet surrender, or broken resolve)

[mental blaze]

might depend on your play style

[floral widget]

I even made a run with more than half of my boons from her nut nothing

[misty turret]

and then its just random after that

god's legacy can increase the chance if you're not already using it

[floral widget]

so I am VERY unlucky

already using it (I prefer that to epic boon often) and still not coming to me

[misty turret]

i started using god's pride recently and i'm enjoying it

[floral widget]

just her, i can have all other legendary easily

[misty turret]

i had the hardest time getting athena's

[floral widget]

it is infuriating

[misty turret]

i still do..

the only prophecies im missing are sword hammers and bow hammers

im missing one each

[serene zealot]

Rip

I think I'm missing the fists and either shield or spear

[floral widget]

me too ... is there a problem with them ?

[misty turret]

some hammers are incompatible with certain aspects

e.g. i'm missing flurry slash because i play arthur

[floral widget]

ok for hammers but my legendary boon should not have that, right ?

[misty turret]

no it shouldn't

i get aphrodite legendary pretty often

but then athena is stingy with hers

[floral widget]

so, 10 runs to try to have it and some reroll and still nothing ... UNLUCKY

[misty turret]

styx shop high price boons have like 10% chance to be legendary

[floral widget]

with god's legacy at max and still nothing

[floral widget]

so 20% with god legacy ?

[misty turret]

maybe? i honestly don't know if its multiplicative or additive

[floral widget]

I think additive with how frequent i got epic boons from god pride

still, i have the same problem with an item from charon ... for the flame wheels

[serene zealot]

Ah

[floral widget]

since i got the prophecy, that item never got in shop

[serene zealot]

That only shows up in Elysium, so I'd save rerolls for there and try every well

[eternal wasp]

it can also show up in the well before elysium iirc

[misty turret]

yeah

[serene zealot]

Just before? I haven't seen it but seems possible

[misty turret]

too bad flame wheel release is kinda rare

[floral widget]

that's exactly what i am doing but no chance for at least 20 runs

[misty turret]

i've got flame wheel release to show up like

3 times

in my like 130+ runs

[serene zealot]

I've seen it maybe 5 times over 130 runs

[floral widget]

so you all want me to lose hope ... right ?

[misty turret]

something something the weavings* of the three fates invariably come to pass

[serene zealot]

I'm just saying it'll pop up in time

Buy it when you see it, I wouldn't do runs just to get it. Same for the hammers

[misty turret]

back to my personal spot in hell 32 heat shield attempts

[floral widget]

i have a theory for that ... it pop when you don't have a lot of money

that the only time when i saw it

[misty turret]

i'm actually tempted to drop FO2 for EM4 and just deal with DC2

but i wont do that yet

[serene zealot]

It's only 100 obels, just make sure you have enough after asphodel

[floral widget]

still have difficulties to get past 3 so you look like a god to me

[misty turret]

nvm i'm gonna take 40 damage in 0.5s from Cloner Seeker Witches

aflwehflawehf

[floral widget]

(bought this game even when I know I am bad at this )

[misty turret]

i love taking

98 damage

in one room

in tartarus

[still vortex]

don't fall asleep while playing

[slim lynx]

high heat amirite

[misty turret]

literally just Cloner Seeker Witches

[still vortex]

avoid the purple things they shoot

[floral widget]

@slim lynx he said it, yeah

[tame bison]

Cloner seeker or cloned double dmg. Witches are the worst

[floral widget]

or athena to punish them ever trying to hit you with it

[misty turret]

and i died to doomstone

that was

my worst run

ever

[tame bison]

Of that was your worst run that’s impressive 😛

[floral widget]

that stone ... hate it until it loses the armor

[misty turret]

im gonna play shield of chaos until something works and i clear 32 lmao

im gonna drop to FO1

FO2 is annoying

[tame bison]

My first 32 clears were all fists weirdly.

And nemesis sword lol

[misty turret]

hmm if i use EM4 i can drop HL3 and one CF

but that means i have to fight EM4 hades

[serene zealot]

I hated that thing early on, still annoying even now

[misty turret]

actually i could in theory do this https://i.imgur.com/4UINZbT.png

but ehhh

i dont trust my odds with TD3

[tame bison]

I can’t play without healing so

[opal lodge]

chaos shield is notoriously bad at TD3, and EM4 is a bit of a tough take at 32 heat

[tame bison]

If you’re uncertain about TD3, adding DC2 is rough

it adds seconds to each room etc

[misty turret]

i went for this https://i.imgur.com/J7x9WtV.png

wait i'm stupid why did i just choose a demeter/aphro trial

[still vortex]

what makes EM4 harder for 32 heat compared to other heats with the shiled?

[misty turret]

EM4 in general just kinda suck

because hades is hard

[strong hinge]

got a "build-your-own-bow" run yesterday while playing with the shield 😛 https://i.imgur.com/8VQ6OrK.jpg

[opal lodge]

EM4 is a pretty tough pact in general and scales ridiculously with other modifiers

notably HS, HL, FO, and DC all make it orders of magnitude harder

and TD3

[misty turret]

i have a chance of winning

6 minutes on the clock and touch of styx dark thanks to 2 tunnel

i won wooo

my hands went numb halfway through hades fight

which sucked a lot

[opal lodge]

nice!

[viral star]

on one hand, serrated point

on the other hand

serrated point

does this make sense to anyone else

[proven osprey]

Yes

[misty turret]

yeah

[opal lodge]

yep

crystal beam? lol crystal beam is pretty bad

but artemis or aphro probably

for the duos

[tame bison]

Maybe they mean broken as in Bad?

[viral star]

Artemis preferably, aphro duo is weird

though i like it combined with the shield ( not Beowulf ) and bull rush

[opal lodge]

aphro duo is super good

[misty turret]

cold embrace is bad

imo

[viral star]

also omg your icon..

I love the tatami galaxy :D

[opal lodge]

me 2

it is my fav

[viral star]

such a good anime

[sturdy dagger]

just as a general thing to throw out there, I at least as someone who keeps to low heat for now see little to no point in upgrading most of the green abilities except for:
golden touch
family favourite(mostly because the alternative sucks)
gods legacy
fated persuasion

[misty turret]

what

[opal lodge]

all the bottom four green are insanley good

[viral star]

Ow

[opal lodge]

if i could pick 2 mirror talents catch me with 3 DDs and dark foresight

[serene zealot]

You think Privileged Status sucks? Why?

[viral star]

it's more of a build-specific thing

like i don't think I'd ever take artemis with PS

[serene zealot]

Still not too hard to get it, you've got 5 ways to apply a curse.

[opal lodge]

^

nah its mostly because PS means you arent using arty most likely

which is kind of sad

[serene zealot]

Fair

[viral star]

eh, i prefer aphrodite on the attack anyways

[tame bison]

The end game difference is 15% dmg which isn’t much and PS takes work and Favorite does not

[opal lodge]

PS bonus just isnt big enough to justify taking it over FF unless its gonna be live by mid asphodel at the latest

FF is usually fully up at 25% by the time you reach first room aspho

[viral star]

aphrodite + divine dash + blinding flash on arthur

huge meme

but very fun

[opal lodge]

LOL

[tame bison]

I don’t define good builds as meme 😛

It’s just...good decision making

[sturdy dagger]

I don't use a lot of builds that status stack and they rarely have enough overlap with my huge one hit moves to make a huge difference on Hades

[serene zealot]

Ah

[viral star]

it's really more of a build thing

[serene zealot]

Whereas I tend to go for multiple curses and get it fairly often

[opal lodge]

yeah its just

[viral star]

one of my favourite builds is PS + aphro attack + dionysus special on chiron

[opal lodge]

so if youre trying to go fast

[viral star]

with low tolerance and splitting headache especially...oh hun

[opal lodge]

most builds want some artemis

because crit scales damage better than anything else

and marked is a very unreliable curse

[misty turret]

mfw i got muted because my imgur link that randomly generated had a swear in it

jfc

https://i.imgur.com/aZKMpfd.png

i realize why i hated AP again

[proven osprey]

Lmao

[viral star]

crits are... okay but on something like zag sword you probably want zeus attack

[sturdy dagger]

wut

[viral star]

it depends on the weapon and build, really

also artemis is boring sorry

like i get why she's good? but it's just. more damage

[tame bison]

AP would be so much less painful if it just showed you 2 choices without showing what you missed out on. Psychology

[viral star]

yeah honestly

[opal lodge]

i think high heat has more flexibility

but for speedrunning crit is too good

keep in mind priv stat also means on an "optimal" build you may have to take curses over other t2 boons you may want

[mighty ermine]

PS can coerce you to make extremely questionable choices like taking common drunken dash to check a status curse

[graceful oracle]

I can get privileged status going really easy with Artemis if I mix in Athena and Aphrodite, if I have those on attack and dash, I can activate priveleged status with every dash strike

[opal lodge]

what about a HEROIC drunk dash

[mighty ermine]

YES

and level 6

[misty turret]

ok nope im not taking AP

[opal lodge]

people always remember what it was like after PS is online

[misty turret]

i will wait until i have to

[rare kindle]

But you can’t even destroy pots with drunken dash

[opal lodge]

without thinking about all the questionable decisions and missed opportunities that got you there

like

[rare kindle]

The only good dashes are the ones that can destroy pots

[mighty ermine]

so true though

[opal lodge]

just admit you like the funny noises and go

[rare kindle]

Divine dash, splash dash...

[mighty ermine]

i do think the special priv status noises make it feel more effective and enticing to players

when it's literally like, an urge to kill above FF

[tame bison]

1 level of Pom

[misty turret]

never have i been more afraid in my life

than seeing

speeder cloner numbskulls

just like 30 of them

[opal lodge]

yeah it definitely feels nicer

same reason why razor shoals is a cooler boon than wave pounding

[dusk cairn]

In a merciful end build is it better to have ares attack and athena special or vice versa?

With divine dash ofc

[opal lodge]

one of the things that i find in this game is that the things that look cool arent always the best

uhh jake it depends on weapon

[mighty ermine]

for sure

[opal lodge]

for the most part you want ares attack though

[dusk cairn]

Oh yeah

[opal lodge]

sword or fists you go ares attack and just faceroll your way to victory

[dusk cairn]

Im thinking sword or fists

[opal lodge]

same with zeus shield, but you can also put it on the special for zeus shield

[dusk cairn]

ah perfect

[graceful oracle]

Disagree, I'd say looking cool is what makes things the best

[mighty ermine]

i mean sure, for playing casually that is definitely fine

[opal lodge]

if youre interested in sword, nuhai's 6:53 is a good showcase of what you can do with zag sword ME

[mighty ermine]

but speed and high heat that doesn't work out so well

[opal lodge]

fists, ananke's 6:39 from this patch or tounis' 6:24 from last patch are both super good runs

[viral star]

the privileged status sounds....

Ehheheh ehhee ehe monky brain

[proven osprey]

It's my status on this discord

[viral star]

jdkndkdjkdjd

My status is uh. gay

[proven osprey]

wat

[viral star]

I'm the lady who wants to hold Tisiphone hand :)

[proven osprey]

Another crazy one

[viral star]

hjejshdjdbjdndnndndj

I just think she's neat

[wet sand]

bout to do my first EM4 run any any recommendations ?

[viral star]

what weapon?

[wet sand]

shield

[viral star]

aspect?

[wet sand]

zagreus

max zag

[viral star]

hmm, dashing wallop hammer if you can find it

artemis dash and aphro attack is probably good enough

[wet sand]

with pressure points i imagine

[viral star]

for dash-strike memes essentially

it's good if you can find it!

the shield is very flexible in general

[wet sand]

that's why it's my fav

[viral star]

do you want me to tell you some things to watch out for, or would you rather discover yourself?

[proven osprey]

Can't argue, wp

[viral star]

hehehe

[wet sand]

hmmm one thing that i should prepare for bc i'm on my record streak and i don't want to break it

[viral star]

something...weird happens toward the end of the second phase, you want to be close, not right atop though, the bottommost spot before the middle lake

[wet sand]

ok thanks

wish me luck

[viral star]

good luck!!;

you've got this :D

[wet sand]

thanks

[proven osprey]

yeah it's weird

like dead weird

[wet sand]

aight i'm at the battle

[opal lodge]

GL!

[wet sand]

aight i lost

i came so close tho

just a nudge from his 2nd health bar

but i had a bad build

and bad luck

perhaps i should switch from ||the dusa compation to the bouldy companion||?

[opal lodge]

either is fine, meg is generally considered best

[wet sand]

really?

why?

[opal lodge]

2500 damage that can hit several targets

[gusty rapids]

high damage and it comes out very quickly, as opposed to than

and it hits multiple targets yeah

[naive solstice]

Quick question, do Poseidon and Chaos boost the amount of Obols received from Side Hustle?

[gusty rapids]

good q actually

im not sure

[mighty ermine]

i know with ocean's bounty it's specifically chamber reward boost

but with chaos, maybe it would work

[opal lodge]

yeah im not sure about chaos

[wet sand]

ok then i'll switch

[opal lodge]

also meg usage is very well documented

theres a lot of resources out there for set megs

[wet sand]

wut

wait can you use the ||meg companion|| against meg?

[naive solstice]

okay, just checked the wiki and side hustle is not affected by boons

probably better this way

[opal lodge]

no

[wet sand]

oh well but against her sisters?

[opal lodge]

nope

[gusty rapids]

thats one reason some people like using antos

allows you to use a summon against the furies

[dry ember]

Can confirm. I refuse to fight Alecto last phase.

[naive solstice]

Alecto last phase is stronger than both Meg and Tisiphone combined and that's concerning

btw, fun fact

[misty turret]

tisiphone assist > tisiphone fight

in difficulty

[naive solstice]

If you charm Theseus while he's using a god call without a fixed pattern, he aims the attack at himself

it doesn't damage him, but it still looks funny to see Zeus decide to smite Theseus instead of Zag

if you charm Asterius, he seems to have an internal struggle halting his attacks mid-way through

[dry ember]

It can damage Asterius though

[naive solstice]

Wait, really?

I haven't gone off EM3 for a while so I go for Asterius first instead of Theseus

but damn that's hilarious

I am on my way to try and charm Hades's shades against him

yes, this is the first time Aphrodite gave me her legendary and it's great

It's a tiny bit strong on Chiron

[serene zealot]

Cobbled together a very weird beo build for my first run with it, made it to Hades' second phase. Any boons/hammers to go for when I next try it again?

[lean knot]

Poseidon/Artemis. get Flood flare, then look for Artemis attack and Mirage Shot duo.

Charged shot hammer is the only thing that makes a big difference

[left wyvern]

Whats the best weapon to use with hunting blades?

Poseidon apsects cast boost seems big

[tame bison]

You’d want something that give cast dmg or flat bonus damage so Achilles, eris, Poseidon

Achilles gives 150% then you drop 3-4 casts etc

Poseidon is actually not the best for hunting blades specifically

Bc they don’t lodge

So Achilles is just 3x more dmg than Poseidon

[left wyvern]

Ok

[tame bison]

The question probably is which weapon has the best fail case

When you spend a bunch of boons trying to get hunting blades and don’t find it

To which I’m not sure

[left wyvern]

I got it by accident last run

Was using fists

Literally the 3rd and second to last boons gave me slicing shot and then blades

[sinful stratus]

first time losing again, my streak is dead

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/NPRDriR.jpg

When you want to hit your enemy so hard, even the next chamber feels it...

[sinful stratus]

the one time i choose battie again over mort

this is a sign

[floral widget]

and when you enter the said chamber, the monsters are at the opposite side

had something like that one time, asterius didn't last 1 min I think

[keen mesa]

Can Rare Crop target boons that are already Heroic? Anyone know?

[floral widget]

rare crop ?

[keen mesa]

Demeter boon

[balmy portal]

I believe it can

[floral widget]

oh yeah that ... yeah, I think it can

honestly, i only take that when it is epic or don't have good boons

fun runs

[misty turret]

if i could even get past tartarus @ 40 heat

that would super fun

[plush fog]

what is everyone's favorite build?

I've been playing a lot of Chiron recently and looking for something new to try

[keen mesa]

Try Chiron with Demeter on Special

and get Arctic Blast

[floral widget]

noob here so can't really help you

[keen mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/24wDOby.jpg

that

[plush fog]

looks like fun

what do you have on attack?

I usually go aphro

[keen mesa]

Every time you use use your special, it'll explode

nothing in that picture

since attack doesn't matter

I just attack to mark the targets

[plush fog]

P status

[mild raft]

Is Stubborn Roots affected by Lasting Consequences?

Cause it doesn't say so in the codex

[misty turret]

no actually it isn't

[mild raft]

Oh

[misty turret]

it heals you regardless

[mild raft]

That is

very good

[misty turret]

one of the very few things that heals despite LC4

[mild raft]

Is the other defiances?

[misty turret]

defiances, max hp boosts, guan yu spin attack, draining cutter, cursed slash (i think), stubborn roots

[mild raft]

Oh interesting

[tame bison]

Piercing Wave hammer is fixed damage that’s unaffected by %atk boons from chaos, correct?

Or any other % boons for that matter

[mighty ermine]

it can be affected by more general % boosts like sweet surrender and family favorite

[plush fog]

what is a good build for hidden sword

[keen mesa]

arthur you want high damage boost like demeter or aphro best

[tame bison]

Artemis arguably better than both

And Athena strike quite good too bc of the deflect and Arthur is a little slow

[mild raft]

Arthur has a large base damage which means it benefits the most from high percent based damage increase

[plush fog]

is that aspect one of the aspects that pretty much needs to be maxed?

[mild raft]

Aphro boons, Crit builds, stuff like that

I wouldn't say so

[plush fog]

I've never used it before, but I am sitting here with 26 blood

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/mrAj6Pr.jpg

This is my run right now.

[mild raft]

Unique Harvest moment

[keen mesa]

I like aphro for the damage reduction

it pairs well with the damage reduction aura

[keen mesa]

No, but the higher it is, the more damage reduction you have. This is the opposite of say, Guan Yu, which you need to max, because the health reduction starts off so high

[willow fossil]

yes time to get back i miss you

[primal hazel]

Well if that isn't a late answer my dude

Imo arthur is prolly one of the, if not the, aspect(s) that requires maxing the least
The attributes you play it for are there from the start