i feel like the size decrease for vortex is pretty unnecessarily harsh
#h1-builds-and-combat
mighty ermine
bronze sorrel
That and no combining with Hunter's blades
mighty ermine
the slower travel speed is fine because that can make it easier to keep it on a target sometimes, but yeah they really didn't want it to be too great apparently
bronze sorrel
But ME is fine XD
Not that Id nerf ME anymore. Its nice to have it around when I'm trying to teach someone the game.
gusty dagger
I need help using the rama bow. Anyone got any tips? I find that the powershot is too slow i just end up spamming special because I get hit a lot if i wait for powershot and at HL5 that hurts
slim lynx
you shouldn't mainly be using special
make sure to always dash-strike and take advantage of shared suffering since it also increases the damage dealt to a single enemy, it doesn't have to be applied to multiple enemies to work
i'd recommend putting arty or aphro on attack and then dionysus or zeus on special
relentless volley is surprisingly powerful, especially if you have aphro on attack and dio on special then get their duo which lets you apply more stacks of hangover to weakened foes
twin shot or perfect shot also work very well with rama
gusty dagger
it's not the build i'm bad on. it's a playstyle thing
slim lynx
i like how shared suffering is already great with no upgrades but is practically op if upgraded
gusty dagger
So just have better positioning when charging up shots?
slim lynx
special is good for taking out a bunch of weak enemies, like numbskulls or flame wheels
oak raptor
yeah thats pretty much the case with any of the bows
slim lynx
sometimes i feel like you don't have to fully charge up your shot since your damage is already so freakishly high
oak raptor
oh while im thinking fo it
how exactly does hermes make attacks/specials faster
bc im thinking of a couple interpreations
dry ember
i couldn't tell the difference so i never take those
oak raptor
yeah im not sure if its liket
time between attacks
or actual speed
and how it works with range, does it make the projectiles faster
gusty dagger
i think animation wise. it's noticeable with chiron special. If you get a faster special, you can fit 4 specials
gusty dagger
and how it works with range, does it make the projectiles faster
Does not speed up projectiles afaik
oak raptor
getting an attack speed buff on arthur sword is
slim lynx
like when i take swift strike with the bow, i'd obviously expect it to charge faster
oak raptor
slim lynx
but it really doesn't feel like it
or maybe swift flourish should make me fire my arrow volley faster but it only does half of that and just reduces the downtime
stiff igloo
i chose sweet surrender over athena and aphro duo so i can get the aphro legendary
oak raptor
oh btw
does athenas trap resistance work on the poison in styx
and the ||stun pillars hades summons||
stiff igloo
idk
mighty ermine
Not sure about poison as it would have to come from those ground vents specifically, but it does work against Hades' urn traps
crystal flare
hey guys, how does the Shield Aspects of Chaos and Zeus compare to one another?
coarse moss
hey guys, how does the Shield Aspects of Chaos and Zeus compare to one another?
aspect of zeus strong af. aspect of chaos is... not great. personal opinion lol
crystal flare
hmm, does the aspect of Chaos Special damage has the same damage and bounce (per shield) as to the Zagreus aspect?
little quiver
And go to town
stiff igloo
chiron + aphrodite is OP
coarse moss
if you just spend 1 level on zeus shield, and put zeus special boon on it, you'll see how strong it is. to get good result from chaos aspect you need to get it high level
crystal flare
hmm, does the aspect of Chaos Special damage has the same damage and bounce (per...
how about this regarding Chaos aspect?
@coarse moss @little quiver
coarse moss
yes same damage
crystal flare
hmm alright
coarse moss
try the zeus aspect on skelly, and imagine everytime it hits zeus bolt happens
crystal flare
yes I can imagine it working spectacularly actually..
anyway, thank you both for now @coarse moss @little quiver
stiff igloo
what weapon people use on crystal beam
coarse moss
what weapon people use on crystal beam
achilles
coarse moss
duo with artemis. the beams arent good if you dont load up all the boons that upgrade beams
so get demeter as much as you can
cunning urchin
i hear artemis and aphro are both good
Yeah, either of those. They're both pretty good.
stiff igloo
@cunning urchin i have demeter and artemis in the same trial of the gods
so i don't think i cna get the duo there
or can i?
don't think so
cunning urchin
Gotta get some t2 boons for it and poms.
stiff igloo
artemis and demeter duo is so cool
cunning urchin
Cool, yes.
worldly blaze
Does anyone else have some issues aiming with World Splitter?
severe stratus
Had a Stygian Soul run w/ crystal beam
It was really funny
lvl 1 common glacial glare
only reason I didn’t break this game in half
cunning urchin
You can pom Glacial Glare.
severe stratus
*ik
stiff igloo
Does anyone else have some issues aiming with World Splitter?
i have issues with aiming my bull rush
severe stratus
tell that to the rng
actually lemme check that screenie
oh think I got it to lvl 2 lul
worldly blaze
Crystal Beam is a lot better with Infernal Soul imo
severe stratus
I was doing it for the meme
severe stratus
should’ve tried to gun for Hermes’s legendary but alas
I didn’t think hard enough with the description
limber cloak
just got a rail build with sea storm + both zeus and posiedon's legendary
- rocket bomb and triple bomb
defeated the heroes so quickly that i forgot to even use meg lmao
daring turtle
The laser's base dps increases over time normally, but with that upgrade, it stays at the lowest dps constantly. It doesn't affect separate forms of damage though, like lightning, hangover, etc
slim lynx
is infinite chamber even worth getting?
i mean never reloading is nice but at the cost of low damage? no thanks
fervent falcon
depends
infinite chamber's really good if you're doing a zeus or ares build regardless of what aspect you use for the rail
limber cloak
isnt it delta chamber for the non-hidden aspects of the rail tho
and delta chamber is always good
rain juniper
best fists aspect besides gilgamesh?
fervent falcon
i just use stock aspect if i'm not using gilgamesh
probably just preference but i don't find the other two aspects particularly impactful
daring turtle
I haven't used Demeter aspect yet, and only used Talos once
daring turtle
Zeus is pretty bad for Arthur since it's very slow. You typically want high damage boons like Aphro/Artemis
Poseidon isn't bad though
fervent falcon
yeah, just go for really high burst damage
pick up a greater/greatest reflex
if you get the chance
that's usually just a rule of thumb but it's busted strong with arthur because of it's jab's base damage
just picked up Sigil of The Dead, is it any good with any particular aspects/builds?
cunning urchin
best fists aspect besides gilgamesh?
Demeter Aspect is the strongest out of all 4.
rain juniper
against hades. do i go with skelly defiance or evergreen acorn
cunning urchin
Acorn.
rain juniper
ayt ty
daring turtle
What special type works best for Demeter? E.g. default special, quake, kinetic strike, kick, etc
proven osprey
explosive upper
rough crane
build with big dammage?
fervent falcon
against hades. do i go with skelly defiance or evergreen acorn
acorn is good but i personally suggest spearpoint actually
solid cairn
I think acorn is meta
spearpoint used to be optimal for styx chambers but since the nerf it has not been great
gusty rapids
acorn is what i prefer personally
mental blaze
for bosses that do a lot of damage the 5 hits really add up in terms of health you don't lose
gusty rapids
the hype for acorn?
5 hits is a lot of dmg when fighting dad or heroes or whatever
usually adds up to far more than the 100 hp tooth gives
daring turtle
I like spear point - it negates so much damage from poison, and if you ever get hit by Hades lasers it's only 20 damage instead of like 200
stray ocean
hey! im fairly new to the game and having an hard time sorting a good build with the blade to kill hades, i have all aspects unlocked, any recomendations?
tame bison
Nemesis, Artemis attack, aphro special, get heartrend. Dash strike to victory
stray ocean
got u , will give it a try, thanks!
tame bison
Poseidon aspect is pretty straightforward but you just want a cast that lodges and hopefully exit wounds
tame bison
Arthur...honestly can just go for Heartrend again, but it is the place to go try for vengeful duo. Get like ares special, Zeus cast/aid, every revenge boon you can find especially Athena and pray for the duo
Aphro or Athena attack there
Might be worth running the +duo boon chance if you go the revenge route bc the duo becomes so important
coarse moss
stacking revenge boons is fun, but the duo is bad even for that. if you get hit the cooldown resets. so you could just pump up damage reduction and trigger revenge manually
hybrid idol
I haev the chirons bow with 4 special shots and itts the only weapon i need to beat hades with to get the steam acheivemtn
is there aany easy build to kill him
cunning urchin
the hype for spearpoint
Broken Spearpoint used to have no cooldown.
urban flame
boost chiron as high as it goes, aphro on attack, artemis on special, and heart rend always feels very satisfying
Dio on special can also stack well, especially with the aphro/dio duo boon
bronze sorrel
hey! im fairly new to the game and having an hard time sorting a good build with...
Tbh, if you're a beginner, I'd just use Zag aspect. Get Curse of Agony (Ares Attack), Divine Flourish (Athena Special) and Merciful End. Pick up divine dash if you can too. This is a high survivability build with really good damage output that is pretty easy to play. Plus you can replace extra lives with Athena.
stray ocean
thanks alot for the tips! i just finnished and managed to do it, using the heartrend build and using teh artemis dash since i couldn't get my hands on an athena one
hybrid idol
what why use zag on build if u have nemsis
stray ocean
now i'll pump the heat up probs and try new things
hybrid idol
nemesis is broken
proven osprey
Broken Spearpoint used to have no cooldown.
Wow, that's hot
hybrid idol
just special > dash striek > dash striek for ez kill
stray ocean
ye i used the crit one
hybrid idol
yea thats my fav weapon in game
stray ocean
dunno the name on toip of my head
hybrid idol
nemesis
stray ocean
ye pumping big numbers is kinda fun with heartrend
slim lynx
Broken Spearpoint used to have no cooldown.
haha what if they brought that back... i jest... unless?? 😳
rose cloud
Which boon should I prioritize when using Aspect of Zeus?
The Blitz Disc seems pretty hard to aim :/
stiff igloo
there are some aspects that are ABSOLUTELY trash when you unlock them
but hella OP when you max it
like chiron bow or demeter fists
stiff igloo
The Blitz Disc seems pretty hard to aim :/
zeus/dionysus on the blitz disc
coarse moss
The Blitz Disc seems pretty hard to aim :/
zeus on special is great at all level. artemis on special is super good once you maxed out the aspect. dont throw shield too far and recall it as soon as the the disc passed enemy
urban flame
zeus on blitz disc is nuts it procs for each hit
clear dome
coarse moss
yes but on zeus shield it procs every hit. because the shield cooldown is made to work with that boon
urban flame
it would be rather upsetting if the shield didnt proc on every hit
safe yew
gilgamesh boons? i also got the special range hammer
woven crater
Does Beowulf aspect upgrade affect cast effects or just the dragon rush damage itself?
keen mesa
cast damage and area
woven crater
That’s pretty good then, just wanted to make sure of that
lavish trench
did a few runs with hidden sword aspect and am really loving the weapon
is it a good idea to use ruthless reflex rather than greater since 1-dash doesnt interrupt the combo but double dash does?
wide flume
Looking for a rail build any aspect other than the last one
wide flume
Also is the never reload hammer good and what aspect?
safe yew
never reload is okay, delta chamber is better
i prefer hammers for the special
triple bomb and cluster bomb are both good
rocket’s not bad
jolly niche
Cluster is good for an Eris build, as you can make distance between you and the target and still get the buff
still vortex
did a Poseidon aspect run with stygian soul and artimis cast out of the gate... never got hermes casts or another artemis boon or a choas cast boon. feels bad
didn't even get a charon well cast boon either
hybrid idol
https://imgur.com/a/y9XgmYl
ignore how bad i am, but standing in the middle of hades lazer means u dont take damage
mellow geyser
If I beat a boss at heat 1 and I haven't beat it at heat 0 do I get a rewards for heat 0 and heat 1?
fallen mirage
No
You'll get the next level of heat each time you clear
For example, if you've cleared at 3, and run at 7, it will take 4 runs to get all the rewards
keen mesa
You can do whatever heat you want
but you'll only get rewards for that heat level
the rewards are the same no matter what heat you're on
if you start off clearing heat 20, you'll get rewards for heat 20, but you can still go back to 0 through 19 and do all those for those rewards
(or 5-25 on hell-mode)
safe yew
no, you get rewards for heat 0, and then so on until you’ve got the reward for heat 20, 20 runs later
keen mesa
that's what I just said
safe yew
you can literally just do twenty runs at 20 heat and get rewards from 0 up
keen mesa
you can do heat levels out of order if you really want to, there is nothing stopping you
serene zealot
You get the reward for the lowest level of heat you haven't cleared completely yet, so if you've only gone up to heat 4 and try heat 7, you'll get the rewards for heat 4.
safe yew
^
keen mesa
I've had to go back on various weapons to clear lower heat levels because I never got the titan blood from hades...
like if I clear heat 1, but didn't finish heat 0
serene zealot
Yeah
keen mesa
then I've had to go back and clear heat 0 to finish collecting the rewards
the problem is that heat stays the same regardless of the weapon you're on
so if you always take the purple weapon
you might accidentally "skip" a heat level
wide flume
Twin fists builds? (Any aspect btw)
keen mesa
zeus, dio, demeter
with zag or demeter
demeter you'll want something that hits hard on special
like aphro
still vortex
you will get your rewards for first clear up to heat 20 for each heat once... you could have all of those runs be 32 heat runs, and you'll get rewards 20 times for each weapon
keen mesa
yeah, but who would do that? ;-P
you can do a heart rend build if you put like aphro on attack and artemis on special with demeter aspect
still vortex
just saying some people don't understand the reward system
serene zealot
Side topic but, is it possible to inflict marked on a single target?
cloud vault
No
serene zealot
Rip
serene zealot
True
keen mesa
one thing with Marked that you'll want to pay attention to for instance is in a fight like Thesus/Asterius
because the Mark will switch back and forth
it is advisable to generally kill Asterius first
but you can ping pong back and forth between them in non EM fight with marks
doesn't work in EM3 because they'll be too far apart
unless you're using ranged
mellow geyser
how is a demeter cast with the bow that can use casts to fire?
cloud vault
Bad
mellow geyser
When it hits the enemy it creates the crystal or how does it work
cloud vault
Yes, it sucks
keen mesa
it does crystal flare I think
cloud vault
No it just drops the crystal
cloud vault
Yep
mellow geyser
is the aid good at least?
cloud vault
It's a bit better with Cold embrace
And by a bit I mean it becomes pretty decent but still not nearly better than alternatives
keen mesa
oh god there is no "Crystal flare" you're right rofl
mellow geyser
So i can choose between the call/aid or +32% healing power of items
keen mesa
how come every other cast gets an alternative...
cloud vault
Flare is a Beowulf thing
keen mesa
oh right
cloud vault
Nourished Soul is alright, the Call is okay too
Soul is a lot better if you need the immediate heal
Usually it's one of those boons that does very little.
mellow geyser
What casts are good for the bow that can fire casts
I could get an epic Poseidon cast
mellow geyser
sure
cloud vault
Crush Shot is usually the best choice, Phalanx is pretty good too
But Flood with Mirage is good
Rupture is very helpful because enemies will be chasing you and pick up the +% VS bosses boon
lavish trench
dio cast is also pretty good if you have lv1 bow
versed igloo
Beowulf's Board sucks
mellow geyser
Is it a good idea to choose the hard rooms in the Temple?
mellow geyser
cursed?
serene zealot
That thing sucks
serene zealot
Less health then Asterius but it feels like it takes longer
versed igloo
Theseus?
cunning urchin
What do you want them to fix?
serene zealot
Theseus is 9,000 health, the little terror is 10,000 (according to the wiki)
versed igloo
Aspect of Beowulf, the fourth aspect for the Shield
its not worth it
every single weapon is more effective, and its not even fun
its incredibly slow and not rewarding
mellow geyser
the tiny v...
uh I just met it for the first time
it wasn't nice
serene zealot
Welcome to the club
mellow geyser
should I save up the yellow stuff or trade it?
serene zealot
Nectar?
plain prairie
use it to grow bonds then after trade for da bl00d
mellow geyser
Well I have 5 and I haven't found an use for them
plain prairie
yea hold them close for a while
shadow oasis
Question concerning Cold Fusion and Swapping: if I change my demeter attack to a zeus attack after getting it, will it still work?
shadow oasis
Yeah
serene zealot
Yeah, should be fine
shadow oasis
I'm running zeus shield rn and got the offer to swap after getting it
plain prairie
damn near id leave the demeter attack for juicy prvileged
mellow geyser
how high does olympian favor go?
plain prairie
12 or 15
but that means you will have 7 or 8 gods on your build
and it will be dog
serene zealot
40%
plain prairie
wait
shadow oasis
I've not got privilidged on anyways
And I've got a good double strike with extra aoe
so lightning spam is the name of the game
mellow geyser
Aspect of Nemesis or Poseidon for the Sword?
plain prairie
depends on what build u want to do
serene zealot
Do you remember to cast?
plain prairie
i like nemesis if you want to run special/atk
poseidon if you want to run special/cast
mellow geyser
kinda?
shadow oasis
Update; just got snowburst so I have all zeus for attack and special while still being able to chill enemies so demeter legend kicks in
serene zealot
Good, better then I am
You might like Poseidon then
I forget to cast most of time so I prefer nemesis
cunning urchin
Aspect of Beowulf, the fourth aspect for the Shield
??? Beowulf is very strong.
plain prairie
well if you take poseidon then you will have to spec ito cast to get the full benefit of the aspect, meaning somewhere else in your build will suffer
jus t like how for your nemesis builds your cast probably is mostly ignored
so it depends on what you want to build for
versed igloo
it is not
ionic phoenix
Beowulf is very good lol
mellow geyser
What keepsake do you start with? I usually start with the purse but I think I should use the keepsakes that give boons so I can get one that works with the weapon from the start
serene zealot
I’d recommend one of those, yeah
plain prairie
save purse for elysium
that way you can start run with a good build then take purse if ur confident in it
mellow geyser
I see
I usually switch to the tooth in Elysium and in Asphodel I get whatever boosts my damage the most
plain prairie
how far have you got
mellow geyser
beat the game once using the gun
I had a lucky build with an insane amount of dps
I beat the boss with literally 1 hp remaining
plain prairie
cool
so i like to go with boon keepsakes on the first two stages so i can get a nice build
then on elysium either purse or another boonsake if i want a specfic duo
then in styx i take either a damage one or lucky tooth for papa
i dont really like the damage ones since youre stuck with them for the rest of the run if you want to keep using it (since usually you use the one thats best for your build) so i feel like your build suffers for something good combos of boons would get you anyway. then if you really want to add the dmg get it in stg 4
mellow geyser
fair point
plain prairie
but it all comes down to preference so do w/e works for you yk
opal lodge
beowulf is the only weapon that comes close to eris in terms of bossing capability
that and maybe flurry jab achilles with a really strong build
left wyvern
Thinking about trying a wealth slash build
opal lodge
time to break out the beowulf propaganda again since we still have naysayers
left wyvern
I should run golden touch right?
left wyvern
Since I wont be spending money
opal lodge
sure
proven osprey
time to break out the beowulf propaganda again since we still have naysayers
almost called you
tame bison
Someone mentioned Drunken Dash having an issue earlier. Mechanical or conflict with other dio boons? Anyone explain?
opal lodge
i would post my 26 second beo dad fight if it didnt count as self promotion
gusty rapids
beowulf is the only weapon that comes close to eris in terms of bossing capabili...
id argue that beowulf is probably better at bossing
a good hera can also do it
but not quite as good as beo
opal lodge
i find that a good hera requires literal dream tart
gusty rapids
for bossing?
opal lodge
like you need natural arty/poseidon, or natural snow burst
gusty rapids
to get the single target damage to high enough levels
parting shot can also do it but requires u to actually backstab lul
safe yew
exit wounds was a lifesaver
leaden bay
What do you guys put on Chaos special
safe yew
i really wish i’d managed to get artemis’ legendary for extra oomph but oh well
versed igloo
I found a GLITCH
Hades's second phase wave doesn't show
the green part doesn't but the white snow part being kicked up does
still vigil
https://clips.twitch.tv/DirtyWanderingZucchiniTheRinger
what is this??
opal lodge
beowulf baby
still vigil
I want to slap the taste out of my enemies mouths with the power of the my claws
left wyvern
Aight
robust anchor
yea KILL EM
left wyvern
I now have
Hoarding slash
Cruel thrust
Epic heartbreak strike
1863 obols
My third attack is a tactical nuke
woven crater
Is flood flare the best beo option typically
Had a 32 run with it earlier that went very very good but died to hydra
(Very very good as 2 minutes remaining out of TD3 when I finally bit it)
gusty rapids
it’s one of the better options yeah
pretty strong and fairly consistent
not as strong as a good dio beo, not quite as consistent as aphro cast I think, but a good in between
woven crater
Dio is definitely less consistent
gusty rapids
for sure
still vortex
I tried demeter with beo, it didn't seem to hit at the point of impact, but behind zag, it was frustrating
woven crater
I love dio on hera but when the bloodstones just drop it feels so much harder to support dio effectively
gusty rapids
usually you run Stygian soul w dio cast
woven crater
Yeah, and ik chaos is huge for that
still vigil
so
I had a crush shot run that was super fun ^o^
I think it was heroic lvl5 with mirage shot, blown kiss and flurry cast(4 casts)
oh! and exit wounds
narrow ravine
i really cant find a bow build that i'm any good at, had luck with hera, but only with perfect hammer upgrades
serene zealot
What casts have you tried with hera?
ashen heart
Have you tried aphrodite?
narrow ravine
festive fog works ok, but getting it and getting it upgraded is the RNG that i have problems
narrow ravine
that seems to be the one i've had the most luck with. aphro is good all around honestly, just for the weakness upgrades
serene zealot
She also offers the best damage increase on attacks and specials compared to the other boons for them
Can’t really go wrong with a few of her boons
narrow ravine
ie: artemis stuff?
serene zealot
Artemis’ crits are higher, yeah, I’m talking the base % increase
Like, for attack, Artemis is 20%, Athena is 40%, and Aphrodite is 50%
narrow ravine
ahh, i got ya
opal lodge
aphro cast is very strong
and has decent aoe on beowulf
arty cast damage can be nice but your aoe really suffers
poseidon has a massive aoe and slightly lower damage than aphro cast
narrow ravine
for cast?
serene zealot
Yeah
opal lodge
specifically for beowulf
serene zealot
Still good on hera
narrow ravine
i just need to make a list of cast buffs for hera - reload speed, drop rate etc
i tink my main issue is standing still for so long to attack
serene zealot
I’d scan the codex or the wiki and write down what you find useful
serene zealot
i tink my main issue is standing still for so long to attack
You can load your casts into your attack while moving between shots
I find a rhythm of attack, dash, and loading casts is helpful to get into
narrow ravine
i always end up going back to the herme's feather to get up to like 20% dodge by the end
empty heron
I always end up going back to the butterfly to get up to like 40% damage by the end
narrow ravine
i should try that as well. i just err on the side of 'not dying because i'm drunk'
ashen heart
Anyone got any good builds for the Zeus shield?
It seems super jank to me
I don't get it
serene zealot
If you can, Zeus on special, get jolted, maybe the one for double striking lightning or larger bolt sizes, Ares on attack for privileged status, and the hammer that turns your bull rush into a piercing shot.
You can then throw out the shield, while bull rushing and dashing around enemies.
hidden sonnet
it may not be good but I found hera bow with dion cast actually pretty fun
but then again I got ice wine and scintilating feast that run so
ashen heart
Oh yeah, zeus counts as a status effect doesnt he
hidden sonnet
what about hermes?
serene zealot
Four of them come ready to go (weak, doom, hangover, chill) while the others need a second boon (marked, ruptured, jolted, exposed).
He’s different so nope
hidden sonnet
hermes just built different
serene zealot
Yeah
hidden sonnet
I honestly dont like hermes very much
serene zealot
Also, for those unaware, Charmed doesn’t count as a status effect.
hidden sonnet
like I normally just take the other way if I have a choice
but then again I'm fairly new to hades
only just got the credits
serene zealot
Hermes’ boons can be very useful actually
Even just increasing attack speed is good
daring turtle
Side hustle early on can be great, extra dodges are always good, attack/special speed increases are generally always good to take, and if you're a cast build, he's got a few great boons for that, with his legendaries being cast boons
hidden sonnet
yeah generally if I'm running a cast build I'll take him
serene zealot
He offers a boon that gives you an extra cast, it’s fantastic with Stygian Soul
still vortex
I haven't gotten on the dodge train, don't like the lambent plume cause I"m slow, and don't like the rng of dodge
serene zealot
Getting that and an extra cast boon from Chaos with Stygian is so good
hidden sonnet
I don't use stygian too often
plain prairie
greater reflex + dodge boon + lambent can put you into 90% dodge
hidden sonnet
I much prefer infernal
plain prairie
also zag aspect fists
serene zealot
It’s good with Hera bow
hidden sonnet
wait is infernal the regen one
still vortex
hermes doesn't grant more casts
hidden sonnet
or the +2
still vortex
that's arte leg
serene zealot
Infernal is +2
serene zealot
Hermes doesn’t? I thought he did
hidden sonnet
he gives faster recharge time when you're using stygian
hidden sonnet
also bad news prob is good if you're using hunting blades
or demeter cast
does anybody use demeter cast?
narrow ravine
i like hermes after i get my main 2-3 boons in place. he's straight buff, speed and dodge - so working towards survivaility to the end of the run
serene zealot
I enjoy it on closer weapons
narrow ravine
sturdy/speed/attack/dodge - those really help make the last zone go quick
hidden sonnet
if I want survivability/utility I take athena
deflect is rlly good
my dash is always either poseidon or athena
serene zealot
Demeter cast is mostly good on stuff that doesn’t move as much.
hidden sonnet
isn't the arty demeter duo boon something that makes it better?
like it tracks better
serene zealot
It’s useful on the hydra and the witches
hidden sonnet
witches circle is dumb
serene zealot
Or the darn megagorgon
serene zealot
I actually prefer the champions tbh, even if one is a loud mouth
They’re quite satisfying to beat fast
hidden sonnet
I just today realised when theseus is using his first god attack he puts his shield down
so free damage
serene zealot
Perfect for a greater call
hidden sonnet
it's sad but I always use acorn for elysium
I have more trouble with the champions than with the dad fight
serene zealot
I go with spear point personally, I like having something that helps in every room and not just the boss.
serene zealot
I have more trouble with the champions than with the dad fight
Mood
narrow ravine
yeah, but if you run hermes from zone 2-4, you can get +20 speed, dodge, and with a couple hermes boons, add 20% dmg and another dodge
hidden sonnet
elysium can be a real a**hole sometimes
altho it's not as bad as styx
I rlly hate styx
those damn things that throw poison darts and the big rats
serene zealot
If I can get to Styx, I can handle the final boss normally
serene zealot
I forgot how to spell the name for the poison dart things, dang it
plain prairie
satyr
hidden sonnet
what are they even called
serene zealot
Nope
hidden sonnet
oh
serene zealot
The crystals are snake stones, the rats are vermin, etc
serene zealot
Bothers? I know it starts with a b
hidden sonnet
brothers
pots are bros
really the pots are the least annoying enemy in styx
tied with the tiny rats
cuz the tiny rats you can oneshot
plain prairie
the pots have ribs and its always bothered me
serene zealot
Yeah, bothers, thank you Hades wiki
hidden sonnet
the pots have ribs and its always bothered me
I see what you did there
serene zealot
The tiny rats are just dash foder tbh
plain prairie
support fire on the smol rats is funny
plain prairie
i hate all the weapons that arent smash y brrrrttt
serene zealot
Support fire is just good
hidden sonnet
I like support fire
serene zealot
I love it on the rail or Chiron bow
hidden sonnet
artemis is like my second favourite god
narrow ravine
is the arthur aspect just really bad after about heat 10?
serene zealot
He’s just so chill, you can’t help but like the guy
hidden sonnet
ikr
rare kindle
I used it to clear heat 20
plain prairie
his codex entry changed my view on dion
daring turtle
I think Arthur is fine until you add DC1/2 - since it's slow and you have to hit everything 1-2 more times
hidden sonnet
I only use the codex to check boons lol
rare kindle
I think it suffers a bit if you add forced overtime, but I still thought the aspect was pretty good
serene zealot
I really should read the codex for once
narrow ravine
it just feel so slow, i cant get any dps out of him
rare kindle
it's slow but it hits really hard
serene zealot
Instead of just using it as a hearts checklist and boon guide
plain prairie
its written rlly well
mental blaze
you guys dont read the codex?
plain prairie
i bet theyd make hella money from an achilles-voiced audio book of it
hidden sonnet
you guys dont read the codex?
no
mental blaze
i mean i do it cuz flavor text in basically any game is My Jam
serene zealot
I would but most of it wasn’t complete when I wanted too and that bothered me
woven crater
I need to read it too, I really liked reading the lore in other supergiant games
serene zealot
It’s like reading a book that’s only a third done
mental blaze
i liked the transistor lore but had to read it on the wiki because i wasn't good enough at the game to unlock much of it
still vigil
so
narrow ravine
i own transistor, but have never played it
plain prairie
achilles hades prequel when
woven crater
I maxed out in transistor NG+
still vigil
who here wants to try curse of longing or cold embrace with me?
and try to make them work
woven crater
I honestly don’t expect much more hades content, it’s an incredibly strong game already and I think supergiant is looking forward to their next project, which I think is better than them sticking on hades for a while
serene zealot
^^^^
still vigil
mhmhm
serene zealot
The most I see is maybe a patch if needed
still vigil
ill be payin good coin fer that too
woven crater
Yeah, patches if anything comes up, but new content updates I don’t anticipate
I got my fair share of that during early access, anyway! That was a really good experience to play during
plain prairie
im not saying hades should get updates or even a continuation of the universe, it feels complete and should they want to leave it thats justified.
but with the way the story is structured and the gameplay loop of the game, really does give them a lot of creative options they could the take game in if they wanted to.
serene zealot
^^^^
woven crater
That’s true too
serene zealot
Could drop a few new gods and call it a day really
woven crater
I think adding more gods would cause overlap in their niches and mess with balance, honestly
serene zealot
Potentially
plain prairie
id like to see more story rooms or stages rather than abilities
serene zealot
It’d depend on how they handle it
keen mesa
So...
plain prairie
wsp ignite
plain prairie
oof
keen mesa
I had epic level 4 flood shot with Blizzard Shot, but then I got offered True Shot...
plain prairie
the casters gambit
keen mesa
So I was like, okay, heroic is good, maybe I'll see if it works, rofl
thankfully, I got Mirage Shot after that
woven crater
At least you get +450 obol at a purging well?
keen mesa
this run I'm on is pretty sick
serene zealot
What weapon are you using?
serene zealot
Oooo that looks nice
keen mesa
That's 79% dodge after call, 129% after a near miss
that's also 64% more damage from rush delivery after call
serene zealot
Demeter call too, nice
daring turtle
wow that's a lot
keen mesa
with high heat and plume, you need to take pacts that don't affect ability to clear the room fast
so right off the bat that means you can't take jury summons
or health increase
damage control can suck too, but not that much
benefits package does make it slower
serene zealot
Good job! Glad I could help
keen mesa
@plain prairie done
100% dodge absolutely wrecks
I think it's pretty broken to be honest
maybe not at much higher heat levels, like 30+
because it becomes harder and harder to get plume to those levels
bronze sorrel
I think its not really used in high heat boards or speed runs last I looked at them, so I'm inclined to say its not broken at least regarding the competitive boards.
Its fun though
ashen heart
Can anyone convince me why I should use the spear?
plain prairie
no
ashen heart
It's my least favorite weapon in the game
daring turtle
GY + quick spin is pretty fun
queen mango
lol im not a huge fan either but i actually just got my first clear with the spear.. there is hope!
keen mesa
zag spear is fun if you get the explosive hammer
on special
or flurry jab on achilles
although arguably flurry jab is probably better with hades spear
opal lodge
you cant get flurry with hades or guan yu
opal lodge
maybe youre thinking of serrated?
keen mesa
makes sense you can't get it with hades, cuz 150% damage would be crazy
opal lodge
flurry disables spin
keen mesa
Ah
cuz Achilles is only next 4 attacks
with flurry jab blows through fast
and zag spear I want things that affect my special
opal lodge
flurry jab is still technically the best way to build zag spear
mighty ermine
hades aspect is kind of better at special builds than zag spear
empty heron
Can anyone convince me why I should use the spear?
It's a shield but faster and more dodgy.
errant linden
Yall triple shot or twin shot for bow.
Triple shot is very spread out, but twin shot is together just less range, so I don't KNOW.
dry ember
what other hammer do you have?
errant linden
Special does +5 for each consecutive hit that's why I'm asking which one out of those two lolol.
dry ember
either is fine tbh, I prefer twin purely for personal preferences
errant linden
Oh no +3, even worse.
dry ember
toss a coin then
opal lodge
which bow?
if its zag charged volley is an option
otherwise twin or triple is just personal preference imo
errant linden
I went with twin.
keen mesa
Hades needs a Recount feature
so I can see where my damage sources are, where incoming damage is coming from, etc
mighty ermine
i wouldn't say the game needs one but ello has worked on a parser mod iirc
opal lodge
theres a DPS mod on nexusmods
tardy salmon
What is a good build for the spear (aspect of fricken shootin around the dungeon i dont know what its called.)
keen mesa
Very nice @opal lodge Thanks!
terse torrent
@still vigil I just saw brights @ if youre still interested in Gilga
still vigil
Yush @terse torrent
Yes I am
Oh btw fully loaded or heart rend
I'm usin mirage crush shot
opal lodge
what weapon?
still vigil
Poseidon
opal lodge
fully loaded 100%
im assuming tidal dash deadly strike)
?
do you have exit wounds?
opal lodge
ok yee
take fully loaded
5 casts and exit wounds is an absurd amount of boss damage
tardy salmon
What does the shatter effect that ||Hades|| puts on you do?
terse torrent
So do you want to know about gilga in a speed context or just how to be good at it
like general builds
splash dash into seastorm is probably best, it harder to pull off after the seastorm nerf but still worth it
if youre going splash dash than rush kick is probably the best hammer you can get, not very good on any other build
after that or on other builds it would be rending claws, breaching cross, explosive upper, and then everything else is kinda irrelevant
There also a pretty fun heart rend build where you put arty on special, dash upper and fiery presence would be what you want there
and aphro dash
of course all of this is ignoring ME
as you should
still vigil
So do you want to know about gilga in a speed context or just how to be good at ...
How to be good at it, what works really well on an atk/spec/dash focused bulds respectively
terse torrent
well Poseidon dash is definitely your best bet, in high heat its kinda the only option gilga has
opal lodge
what about curse of longing 👁️
still vigil
Minus ME like ya said
terse torrent
oh yeah, Hades professor uses curse of longing and it seemed to work
hes like one of the best high heat players
i havent tried it tho
Arty special is almost always your best choice
a crit will one shot almost everything if you have fiery presence
and literally everything if you have explosive upper
also, I swar TO GOD gilga dash upper has increased crit chance or something
i almost always crit when i have arty special
like actually 90%+
i have no idea why
still vigil
Hmm
Imma try a special build 1st then!
I've never focused on special cause it seemed really slow
terse torrent
also just remember that gilgas dash attack does like no damage
so if youre attacking make sure youre standing still
quiet pendant
I feel like i should commit to a weapon and stick to it
what should i do: keep leveling up aspect of zeus on the shield or aspect of zagreus on the rail?
terse torrent
well which do you enjoy more
still vigil
Okay tyty!
nova shale
What's the best special boon for chaos shield?
I've been experimenting with demeter special and getting decay later
misty turret
hey, nice https://i.imgur.com/ZcPaJ7b.png
tame bison
Curse of Longing on Gilga would you use Ares special and aphro dash? Or aphro strike?
Or just whatever you find
crimson mango
How to use Gilga effectively ?
rare kindle
maim infrequently
narrow ravine
maim infrequently
Really? Not sure if being /s
rare kindle
Maiming is slow
empty heron
Maim feels like doom but much worse
coarse moss
maim is like the eris buff though. the maim hammer is nice. makes your tidal dashes, calls, doom and all that do more damage
keen mesa
Eternal Chamber is the only thing that makes Lucifer bearable. The same is true for 3 Round burst on rail gun
God I hate reloading
empty heron
You just have to get used to reloading and then it's fine.
Cause if you sacrifice ramp up damage then you do no damage
coarse moss
i only like lucifer if triple bomb
mighty ermine
maim is like the eris buff though. the maim hammer is nice. makes your tidal das...
i do think rending claws is legitimately a very good hammer, yeah
the slow helps mitigate the danger of extra damage you potentially take, and doubling the maim bonus is great
small stirrup
Rending claws was the Gilgamesh exclusive?
mighty ermine
yeah
coarse moss
for sure
small stirrup
Was Heavy Knuckle ever part of any meta? I feel that rolling knuckle is just infinitely better
mighty ermine
wouldn't say it's really meta, but opens up more options for attack boons, and is pretty nice on talos
small stirrup
Hmm, that does make sense
gusty dagger
Anyone got suggestions for Zag bow builds aside from the usual heart rend?
Not looking for anything strong, just something that works and maybe fun
small stirrup
I love turning everything into a melee weapon, so an aphro special build is what I find super fun to play
vocal sierra
which aspect is best for spear
the hidden one is so bad like why
why would u use it like
serpent slash or??
lavish trench
hidden spear aspect is usually built around its special
vocal sierra
the special???
mighty ermine
yep, go for charged skewer
gusty dagger
Yeah I hope they buff it eventually and fulfill a spin based aspect fantasy
Hopefully the special interacts with the attack like every other aspect. (Except beowulf becuse that's not the point of that aspect)
cunning urchin
Guan Yu's spin attack is really good, though.
If you run LC4, it's one of only three ways to heal past your SD threshold, and the other two are specific hammer upgrades that you might never see.
stray apex
What is best attack and special and dash for Rama build?
zealous lance
good guanyubuild?
zealous lance
pepega
proven osprey
Build around hammer
Charged skewer or spin basically
If you don't get a good one, Zeus is a good way to deal damage. Or tidal dash and pose shenanigans, building around call etc
Serrated point is really strong but risky, it will get you killed at first
safe yew
what’s y’all’s favourite cast for hera?
stiff igloo
ares
proven osprey
what’s y’all’s favourite cast for hera?
Dio with stygian, Crush shot with infernal
stiff igloo
Dio with stygian, Crush shot with infernal
what do you mean with stygian?
isnt stygian the sword?
safe yew
stygian soul is the one cast auto reload
proven osprey
Stygius is the sword
stiff igloo
your blade rifts stay on top of targets and when you charge them they litterly go on top of the target you don't lose time throwing them
its very cool especialy with 4 casts if you get form chaos
but its only good with artemis and ares duo
what is the difference between hera and beuwolf
for example dio cast
is it just the same?
vale imp
Beowulf has a complete separate set of Cast boons
Hera has the same set of cast boons
For specifically Dio though, i think its roughly the same
frozen bolt
what’s y’all’s favourite cast for hera?
I'm always happy to see Poseidon's cast.
I like Athena's too, ever since I learned it kind of trivialises Theseus.
frozen bolt
Best cast with Hera is Dionysus.
Massive aoe, highest cast damage, stunlocks things, gives you your cast crystals back faster because they don't get stuck in enemies.
proven osprey
Crush shot is better actually
It's high damage, easy privileged status with snow burst, and you pick up cast really fast since you're at melee range backstabbing stuff
vale imp
Now that's a fresh hot take i've never heard before
Although i gues by themselves, Crush might be better than Dio
proven osprey
It's not a hot take it's the speedrun meta 
vale imp
I think people prefer DIo for the Zeus Dio Duo boon
proven osprey
Dio requires more casts from chaos
it's a lot of fun but Hera is faster
Crush shot *
vale imp
which is an extra step crush dhot doesn't have
frozen bolt
I'll admit my recommendation doesn't take speedrunning into account
proven osprey
it's not a specific setup tho
so Crush shot is actually better, speedrunning or not
By specific I mean that it's totally compatible with casual play
frozen bolt
Privileged Status is a very good point. If you don't have it, though, I really like Dionysus cast.
proven osprey
Dio's cast remains really fun and an amazing burst not gonna deny that
the thing is with infernal you have to wait years to get it back, and you need chaos if running stygian cast
frozen bolt
You don't have to wait that long.
safe yew
dio cast is great if you can get ice wine and scintillating feast
frozen bolt
It's better than getting the gems stuck in a boss
safe yew
with hera, getting exit wounds and quick reload is just [chef’s kiss]
frozen bolt
(admittedly, I usually build specifically for killing Asterius and final boss, because they give me way more trouble than any enemy room)
(when I get better and start turning the heat up, I will have to build more for normal room clear)
gusty rapids
yeah crush shot hera is just super consistent and still great damage
I want to play w dio cast hera more bc it’s straight up fun but it’s not quite as top tier as aphro cast
viral star
me stepping right into a trap after i've taken a chaos curse AND heightened security, forgetting i don't have athena's dash
gusty rapids
mood
leaden glade
Hello all, is there a way to use the old form of a weapon ? 🙂
Gun just turned to laser and I am having a lot less fun with it 😦
(I don’t remember the exact name of the gun)
viral star
yes!
just click inspect on your weapon, and you will be able to choose between your different aspects.
proven osprey
help my rail won't fire bullets
leaden glade
@viral star thanks !
I suppose it’s not doable during the run ? (asking just in case, I can survive doing one run with this form 🙂 )
viral star
don't worry about it! and yes, you cannot
viral star
<@!501697635208658954> thanks !
also go for triple bomb hammer if you can, it will make your life so much easier
leaden glade
triple bomb is definitely the best upgrade on this weapon yes 🙂
but I can’t always choose it
weak hinge
What’s the best way to spec Gilgamesh
bronze sorrel
I sea storm gil personally
Grab some lightning punches, splash dash, any other core poseidon boon, and sea storm and mash dash strike.
viral star
^^^^
mental blaze
Family Guy Funny Moments: lernie had multiple bloodless-spawning heads but ||i was on em2 (well, em3, but)|| and most of the teeth landed in the lava
zealous lance
@proven osprey do you run regen cast?
mental blaze
man i hope i can get dire misfortune, i have doom attack (forget what the boon's called) on malphon
ayyy epic tier, even!
proven osprey
<@!238040913715265537> do you run regen cast?
Nope, infernal. Powershot when you can. Play at melee range to back stab and get your casts back. Deadly strike is good for more damage
lethal kindle
Does anyone have any tips for Arthur? I beat it using it once and it was so different from the fast style I normally like cuz it’s so heavy
It has such high damage and I wanna use it more but it’s also really slow
zealous lance
ty
proven osprey
Don't always triple load, try to estimate what damage you can deal to manage your casts more efficiently
It's hard to learn but rewarding and really fun
limber cloak
@lethal kindle you should mostly be dash striking with arthur
also, you can load an animation/attack in arthur and then dash before it hits
so you can load up your animation in a corner where youre safe, then hit the enemy
wait ill link a video that has a good guide for arthur
arthur guide starts from 8:23
though there are some good general sword tips in the video, so id recommend you to watch it in full
slim lynx
also, you can load an animation/attack in arthur and then dash before it hits
this also works for the special on all aspects, so you can hit q and then immediately dash to immediately and safely hit enemies with special
ashen heart
Does anyone have any tips for Arthur? I beat it using it once and it was so diff...
Artemis attack
Probably athena dash
aphrodite special
at least that's what I run
I just like to go for the big numbers with what's essentially a DORIYAH weapon
mental blaze
dang, curse of drowning is kind of not good
eternal wasp
does ME work with special on zeus shield
currently have it and it seems to have a delay
ashen heart
ME?
mental blaze
ooooogh curse of drowing is especially not good against Final Boss
stiff igloo
is there a good beuwolf build that dosent invovle festive fog?
ashen heart
Poseidon
stiff igloo
i don't want casts that stay stuck in targets so i don't have to wait for it to go out
ashen heart
I think
ashen heart
i don't want casts that stay stuck in targets so i don't have to wait for it to ...
Yeah try poseidon then
stiff igloo
i will try it
lethal kindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnOOhSftGc
Oooo this is useful thank you!
lethal kindle
Artemis attack
Artemis anything is god tiered I love her
sturdy pivot
she is really damn good
ashen heart
Deadly Reversal
sturdy pivot
especially the duo boon with artemis and ares with the ares legendary
but to be honest i had my best run with a aphrodite ares duo boon with attack as ares and dash as aphrodite, then i had artemis and ares as the hunting blades combo to back up it and finished with a time of 8:58 ingame time
ashen heart
oh right
stone mango
Is Hera and Blade rift good?
stone harbor
you can do it but there are better choices for hera
there are also better weapons for blade rifts if that is what you want to do
you can easily use blade rifts with any weapon if you go hunting blades though
stone mango
I know that ideally dionysis but i tried it, its not as good
stone harbor
it could be better with quick reload
do you mean dio or ares? ares works just as well as with any other weapon except more gimmicky, dio works if you scale it with extra casts and stuff like scintilalting feast
both work well with quick reload obviously
stone mango
i rly prefer dio, ares isn't as high dps
stone harbor
ares is pretty great dps, just get hunting blades and go for the legendary from ares
slim lynx
does hunting blades affect blade dash or just slicing shot in particular?
hidden sonnet
only slicing shot
upbeat panther
So uh.
I’m pretty sure Sea Storm proc’s on every Chiron bow special when you have knockback on it.
Did it last night for a build and it was nasty
ashen heart
@stone harbor dionysus
stone harbor
yeah dio with hera works well, you bypass the longish animation of using it without hera that way
eternal wasp
blade rift with hera is not good imo
since hera relies on bloodstones droppingh quickly
and blade rift nullifies that
stone harbor
I prefer stygian soul for blade rifts anyway. The advantage with hera is pretty much only that you don't have to get as close to get all the damage, but I would take achilles over that any day if I am tryharding
still works well, hunting blades is pretty busted
golden quest
Out of these three, which is preferred? Relentless Volley, Sniper Shot, Perfect Shot
I have Artemis’ dash strike boon
stone harbor
Out of these three, which is preferred? Relentless Volley, Sniper Shot, Perfect ...
what aspect you playing?
golden quest
Oh I don’t have those yet
I haven’t successfully escaped. I’ve only made it to the second boss
Or do things like this not matter until after I clear the “story” mode?
dry ember
Perfect Shot then
cloud vault
Perfect Shot is always good
stray ocean
for someone who has cleared hades with all weps, and is making his way to heated runs and such , is there any site or something with buillds that i could follow? or just wing it, i have fun both making my own build and trying stuff but i also feel a bit lost when going for a new run with 0 ideia of a build to follow, any tips?
safe yew
if try out each weapon and see what works and what doesn’t myself first
then come here and ask
bc what works for some people might not for the way you play
dionysus cast on hera for example, i didn’t like, bc i enjoy MURDERING EVERYTHING
stray ocean
that sounds interesting, well i always fancied the bow gameplay all specs, the thing is id like to get high heaated runs with all waepons since i enjoy each of em and its cool to changes things up aa bit just completly clueless on some routes to take
wise briar
you could wing it but also fast weapons like fists and rail do well with flat damage bonuses like from zeus attack, whereas slower weapons do better with a percentage increase boon on the attack like artemis or aphro
stiff igloo
litterly 5 levle 7 poseidon cast are like 3 level 3 dionysus cast
wise briar
for most specials that hit slow and hard you also want a percentage increase boon on the special
stray ocean
oh thats a reasllly good rule of thumb actually, apreciate it
safe yew
i really like ares for the rail, especially if you can get his attack boon, and the one that lets doom stack
any attack boon that can stack up damage is good on the rail
stray ocean
fair, what about spear? would u also go for something fast im assuming ? or special damage
bet it depends on aspects as well but
wise briar
spear can be fast if you get hammers like flurry jab or serrated