h1-builds-and-combat

[gusty rapids]

or extra bloodstones

[dense crown]

some of my fastest runs are with poseidon just cuz it snowballs so hard with t2 boons

what dash and hammers do you like on beowulf?

i wasnt a fan of any special ones because it has so much wind up

faster rush and ferocious guard felt like the only options

[opal lodge]

dashes dont matter

charged shot and sudden rush are s tier

ferocious is fine

charged flight is good, just not fast

[mental blaze]

whats The Strats for aspect of hera in terms of keepsakes/boons/talents/whatevs

WAIT YOU CAN LOAD ALL YOUR STONES AT ONCE WHAT

[oak raptor]

yes

also you want like

artemis/dio

bit of demeter sometimes

hermes

(the demeter one that gives you dmg/resist when you dont have stones is good until you get greater recall)

poseidon/art duo is good

art legendary too

art is jsut good for cast builds over all

bc exit wounds

obvs dont go for her if you plan to do festive fog bombs

like right nowt he art build i have is doing rougly 1200 from cast

||https://i.imgur.com/Qw7oFBT.png||
https://i.imgur.com/mygz6m5.png

not exactly a quick run but i balme that on me farming the bad call achievment

[stiff igloo]

wew

that's a cool build

tho im not a big fan of hera

[oak raptor]

cast builds get more fun once you find what works

like with beowulf i only really like if it i get the hammer upgrade to make bull rush ranged

[frail schooner]

guys the pierced butterfly keepsake is so good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/801570031758606336/unknown.png

[stiff igloo]

yes i tried that

festive fog ranged beuwolf tried it was cool

[leaden bay]

Look at the %. 😄

[oak raptor]

ice wine beowulf

[oak raptor]

[leaden bay]

I feel like getting 0 on that takes effort, lol

[oak raptor]

https://i.imgur.com/RFluxKt.png

[ionic phoenix]

Is there any trick to getting Meg to hit both Theseus and Asterius? I look at Haelian's vids and he seems to just press it immediately, but when I do it, the pattern is more \ as opposed to ---

[leaden bay]

i just move towards them a bit more and maybe bait asterious sometimes

[dry ember]

yeah literally just hit up and hit the summon button the moment you can

[leaden bay]

There's also this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8&feature=emb_logo

[ionic phoenix]

Alright, thanks

[deep nest]

wow i'm pretty new and i've really underestimated Aphrodite

her and ares duo boon is insane

[opal lodge]

just walk up and press the summon button @ionic phoenix

it should hit 100% of the time

[leaden bay]

Meg seems to adjust the line from how you were walking (perpendicular), so walking up makes it horizontal, so it hits both.

[mighty ermine]

the line of circles usually tries to be parallel with zag's shoulders, in front of him

[ionic phoenix]

Thanks

[keen mesa]

I wish the daedalus hammer upgrades for shield weren't absolute trash for Zeus aspect

none of them do anything

[opal lodge]

charged shot, pulv blow, and explosive return are a step above the rest

[keen mesa]

I like explosive return

but that's only useful if you're spamming shield repeatedly in melee

instead of throwing it out and letting it spin through enemies

[opal lodge]

its always useful

more useful than other hammers anyway

[keen mesa]

right

[opal lodge]

@turbid needle please weigh in lol

[keen mesa]

the other one I often take is next two attacks deal 80% damage when special hits

[gusty rapids]

charged shot is pog

because charged shot is always good

[keen mesa]

charged shot is good, but, zeus aspect is for special...

[gusty rapids]

yeah but u still use the attack

[keen mesa]

yeah

[turbid needle]

Charged Shot is fantastic, straight up

[keen mesa]

but often I'm running around directing the shield 😉

[turbid needle]

Don't need much for it to deal great damage

[harsh dawn]

it would be really sweet if this wasn't possible. RIP merciful end run

[turbid needle]

80 base is great

[harsh dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755881283074261025/801584278474981406/unknown.png

[turbid needle]

Explosive Return is also a fantastic addition to Zeus shield

It perfectly fits into Zeus' DPS route

[keen mesa]

as far as aspects go though, every aspect has more useful hammers than zeus one

[harsh dawn]

well that's in it's favor tbh

[turbid needle]

^

[opal lodge]

ignite im not saying youre wrong but baj is the anyheat and high heat record holder for zeus shield

[harsh dawn]

it doesn't rely on hammer rng to be good

[turbid needle]

Aspect can do some work, hammers or not

[keen mesa]

I'm not disagreeing Bright, lol

[harsh dawn]

needing a specific hammer for an aspect to be good is a bad thing

[turbid needle]

But Charged Shot and Explosive Return are fantastic nonetheless

[keen mesa]

Those aspects you mention -- charged shot, explosive return, ARE the ones I take

[gusty rapids]

yea personally i kinda like how it doesnt need hammers

[keen mesa]

I just wish there were OTHERS I could take 😉

[gusty rapids]

a nice change of pace from other weapons

[opal lodge]

well youre saying you wish there were hammers that werent absolute trash lol

here are some that arent

[gusty rapids]

whenever i play zeus im never offered 3 hammers and am like "wow these suck"

there are enough that always are helpful

[keen mesa]

but those are good regardless of the aspect

[opal lodge]

bumped

[gusty rapids]

explosive return not quite

thats good with chaos and zeus

[keen mesa]

yeah, they don't affect the special aspect of zeus

[gusty rapids]

not so much w zag and beowulf

[turbid needle]

....

They do

Explosive Return WILL proc Zeus special

[keen mesa]

I think you mean other way around

but yes

[opal lodge]

no he means that when its recalled you get another proc

[turbid needle]

^

[keen mesa]

what do you mean

[turbid needle]

When the explosion happens and does it's damage

It will also do the Zeus lightning

[keen mesa]

oh, yes

that's why I said it's fun to spam shield in melee 😉

[empty heron]

Any quick tips or good builds for hidden bow?

[opal lodge]

lol

hit your powershots

special as much as you can before one powershot

[daring turtle]

dash shot is much better for rama since it takes a long while to charge

[keen mesa]

dash shot still does power shot

dash just makes you charge faster

[daring turtle]

yeah that's what I mean

standing powershot with rama takes forever

[keen mesa]

albeit less damage

but it's not noticeable I don't think

actually the minimum damage is the same for attack and dash attack

the maximum damage is less for dash attack

[daring turtle]

if it takes too long to charge it's basically useless, since if you get hit it cancels the charge

[mental blaze]

YESSS EXIT WOUNDS ON ASPECT OF POSEIDON

boy nothing better than forgetting to switch out a keepsake you no longer need

[craggy rapids]

So does anyone else think the sword is objectively the worst weapon and the only good aspect is Poseidon for a cast build? I'm 130 hours in and man...do I not want to use the sword at all

[empty heron]

Arthur is the best one imo.
Edit because no spoiler tags needed

[proven osprey]

The sword is hard to play

[dry ember]

Not my favorite but sword is fine imo

[still vigil]

is there some visual/audio cue that tells ya if a duo boon is gonna show up ? i ask cause when I was watchin haelian, he seems to be lookin fer somethin before the actual options shows up

[mental blaze]

i know the first time a given duo shows up you get an exchange between the gods involved

[keen mesa]

yep

[empty heron]

I'm pretty sure he plays on a specific modified save file or something where some progress was deleted but not all of it.

I dont know all the details

[still vigil]

yea there's that owo. but this is after like the 1st exchange

cause there are plenty of times where whatever he's lookin fer doesnt happen, thus the duo doesnt show up

[empty heron]

If the god just speaks to you and doesn't mention the other one, you didn't get the duo. And it's not just the first time you get the duo either.

So like, if you're trying to get an ares/artemis duo and you get an Ares boon and he just says his normal war stuff, RIP.

[tame bison]

I assume Hades doesn’t get stunned by Dio cast. Does he get mini stunned at all? Or just nothing

[keen mesa]

I don't think he gets stunned at all

[wide light]

Me: "Hey, let's do anvil on sword! This can't be so bd!"
Anvil: laughs in cursed slash

[keen mesa]

but Charm works

although shortened

https://imgur.com/24wDOby.jpg

This is as awesome as it looks.

Step 1. Attack. Step 2. Special. Step 3: Arctic Blast procs!

[tame bison]

Looks fun

[fossil moat]

ooooh

attention all memers

post cringe memes/anti synergies below

example: poseidon with demeter cast

or athena attack on lucifer

[mental blaze]

i'll do you one better: poseidon with stygian soul

[fossil moat]

oh no xD

ares attack on lucifer

ruthless relex ||gilgamesh||

[proven osprey]

I run ruthless on gilga, not a meme imo

[fossil moat]

really?

[proven osprey]

well sure

[fossil moat]

the dodge chance?

[proven osprey]

yeah, enough dash and dodge is huge

[fossil moat]

i would've thought that extra dashes are too good to pass up because of slow base attack

[proven osprey]

I don't use the attack 🙂

look

[fossil moat]

aaaaaaaaaah

[proven osprey]

https://imgur.com/zIeUbdq

[fossil moat]

i see

[proven osprey]

only upper dashes, curse of longing

[fossil moat]

continuous doom

[proven osprey]

yup

[fossil moat]

I suppose if im desparate i can try and roll hermes for more dashes

[proven osprey]

if you want more dashes, sure thing

[fossil moat]

hypothetical;, but i'll acc try that. thanks man

running beowulf for now

[proven osprey]

you're playing on controller?

[fossil moat]

naw, m&k

but bull rush still makes movement a little more efficient

and better to aim

[proven osprey]

yeah kbm is fine really, especially on shield

[fossil moat]

tru

tbh, ive been playing for a while on pc

and i conditioned the distances into my head, so the thought of dashing in all directions didnt bother me

i know for speedrunning its important

but the isometric layout of the game helps a lot

[proven osprey]

Me too but for some reason I like controller on some games

[fossil moat]

i hear ya. I still plug cntrl for games like furi, but maybe i'll try for hades again

[proven osprey]

I feel like Furi's gameplay is not that far from hades

Like the view, the dashing

(finally someone that knows about it tho)

maybe not for you?

[rare kindle]

O.o I had the first level of jury summons on and yet I just got my fastest bow time on Rama

I guess it just shows it has really good aoe

hammers were point blank and triple

And I had an epic dash-strike chaos boon

[gusty dagger]

Does % increase in damage affect Zeus, dio, or ares boons?

Those with "fixed" damage

[mental blaze]

what do you mean

percent increase in damage to what

[gusty dagger]

Like chaos boons % increase to special

Will it affect zeus damage?

[mental blaze]

it'll affect the damage of the attack itself even if it has a zeus boon, but not the lightning damage

however something like, say, the buff from aspect of eris will affect those things

[gusty dagger]

Yeah i see

Just the base attack then

[gusty dagger]

Does zeus shield have any good hammer upgrades? Only one i can think of is explosive return and it doesn't even sound that impressive

[abstract flower]

What's everyone's favorite spear aspect?

[coarse moss]

pulverizing is great on zeus. easier to smack things without knocking them out of the blitz

[abstract flower]

I'm struggling with Aspect of Hades.

on 10 heat

[coarse moss]

achilles aspect with hunting blades is probably the most powerful

[tame bison]

Hades is probably one of the worst aspects.

Of all of them

Mostly bc Spin is so awkward

[coarse moss]

it's not that bad imo. just do a tiny spin to tag enemy. then you can do that skewer thing better than zag spear. or even guan yu probably

[keen mesa]

spin sucks unless you get quick spin ;-P

https://imgur.com/3at2oSi.jpg

Full. Tank.

With Weakness on attack

[coarse moss]

use revenge boon and do full afk against hades

[keen mesa]

It's EM4 FO2 I would die rather quickly

[coarse moss]

oh right lol

[gusty dagger]

Wow how do you manage em4 fo2.... i do 32 heat runs but i have em3 fo0 lmao fo1 is max i can do

[keen mesa]

lots of dodge, damage reduction, etc.

[tame bison]

23 Heat EM4 FO2 also known as 40 Heat without EM4 😛

[keen mesa]

just did theseus and asterious, lost about 200 health

but I Have 400 health and all 3 DDs

[warped hound]

How do I even get Blown Kiss? Codex says I only have to own the cast but I've never seen it in over 100h despite playing with this cast quite often

[keen mesa]

with smoldering air and athena's aid

it's just nuts

It's very, very rare, that's all I know

There are some boons that are just incredibly rare to see

like Hermes Bad News, Demeter's Glacial Glare (requires Crystal Beam)

[gusty dagger]

bruhhh im still not done with the prophecy because of bad news

[spark meteor]

i remember once seeing a link to showing the pom scaling for boons at each level does someone have that link somewhere :<

[empty heron]

Is it this one? [POSSIBLE SPOILERS]
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/jrx6d8/a_spreadsheet_with_updated_values_for_all_boon/

@spark meteor

[coral cave]

damn that's a great spreadsheet

[spark meteor]

exactly this thank u @empty heron

[dry ember]

I know people hate Flamewheels, but man Chariots on FO2 be like
https://imgur.com/Sw2Adnu

[robust anchor]

lol

first time i tried fo2 those guys pooped on me everyday

[dry ember]

yeah sometimes they can double tap you even

and god forbids they have speedster perk

[misty turret]

speedster chariots 🗿 elysium is so annoying

[tame bison]

FO2 hades keeps pooping on my 32 heat runs. He’s rude

[fossil moat]

fo2 affects numbskull spawn times ye?

[untold vortex]

it affects spawn times across the board

so yes

[fossil moat]

from skullomats as well?

got it

[daring turtle]

as far as I can tell - it's a global speed modifier. Everything that isn't you is sped up by 20/40%, including attacks/projectiles/spawning/etc

[fossil moat]

except traps, but ye i hear ya

[willow haven]

weak is supposed to be a status right?

[empty heron]

Weak is a status yes. A curse.

[willow haven]

weird how they left it out blank

[slim lynx]

you need stygian soul and the plume to get bad news as far as i'm aware

[gusty dagger]

Yeah i know the requirements. I just have tough luck

[empty heron]

There just wasn't any tier 1 aphro boon that only gives you a status or modifies a status.

I'm pretty sure you can still get jolted even if you have nothing that can jolt enemies

[slim lynx]

just equip the plume when you get to asphodel, there's like basically a 100% chance of him offering you the legendary

[empty heron]

but it was also made by one dude, so

[willow haven]

whoa that's news to me

oh wait you mean like the boon for jolt before any other zeus boon

[fossil moat]

if you dont want to take lambent plume, you need auto reload

then it becomes accessible in the roll

[slim lynx]

??

[fossil moat]

like, if you want to focus on main weapon boons instead

and not take the lambent plume mid run

[slim lynx]

but in this case you just want the plume so you can get the legendary from hermes

and then swap back to something else later

[fossil moat]

fair

[vale imp]

i think what they mean is that technically you don;t need the Plume at all, you only need Auto Reload to get it

Plume is just one of the requirements

[slim lynx]

oh yeah, i thought he was talking about greater recall

i almost never even take quick/auto reload anyway

does heroic sure footing just make you immune to traps entirely? and is it even possible to actually get it?

[coral cave]

its 95% less trap damage

[slim lynx]

might as well make it 99% at least at that point smh

[coral cave]

or just make it 100%

go the full mile

[slim lynx]

any tips for rama?

i mean it's really good already but i wanna know how i can make it better

(in terms of how i use it)

[stiff igloo]

use special on everyone on the room

and watch the world burn

[midnight tangle]

get the zeus special boon and use nothing but special , it's fun

[slim lynx]

lame

i'll just use rail for that

[gray moon]

anyone know if the Pierced Butterfly is additive or multiplicative?

[safe yew]

yooooo trippy cast with ||demeter|| and zeus’ dionysus duo boons is ridiculous

also flurry cast

[merry ivy]

which god boon works great with hera bow?

i'm not quite good with hera bow i heard it was great so i'd like to practice

[cloud vault]

Crush Shot is good

I've had a really sweet Phalanx Shot with Zeus Duo for a 40 heat run, it was really great but the duo was vital

[stray apex]

Think its Additive

[slim lynx]

which weapon/aspect is best for boonless?

rama or sword because of hoarding slash?

[gusty rapids]

I like hestia for it

doesn’t need much to be successful

[slim lynx]

150 damage doesn't really seem like much compared to rama

[fervent elbow]

300 if you have shackle

[slim lynx]

oh yeah

[gusty rapids]

Rama’s probably good too yeah

[fervent elbow]

hestia is single target, Rama can have multiple target

[slim lynx]

hestia is easy to use but rama is obviously better for dealing with a bunch of enemies

i could just try for hoarding slash on blade

can you get twin shot and perfect shot in the same run?

[fervent elbow]

You can

[slim lynx]

ok so that'd be ideal for rama

[fervent elbow]

gl for finding the two hammers in a single run

[slim lynx]

well there's still other options at least

[gusty rapids]

I like twin and point blank a bit more but perfect is good too yeah

triple is really nice as well, possibly better than twin

[slim lynx]

if i'm using twin shot i probably might as well use perfect instead of point-blank

both give the same damage boost anyways and perfect is just straight up better in this case

triple shot + point-blank

[fervent elbow]

Assuming you always do powershot

[fair plinth]

lul

hermes styx room

its the sack room

open hermes boon

side hustle

[slim lynx]

side hustle in styx

[fair plinth]

the most worthless hustle i've gotten yet

[zinc merlin]

Jesus I just discovered the power of rama with twin shot

I got my first sub 20 time with it

[slim lynx]

you can oneshot armored exalted shades 😳

[zinc merlin]

I know

It was so good

i also had doom on special so that was also pretty good

[slim lynx]

oneshotting armored enemies

[zinc merlin]

Also bosses just melt

Like I had 1 dd going into Hades fight and it wasn't even a challenge

[slim lynx]

i think i'll just max out rama

[zinc merlin]

lmao

I have this thing where sometimes Im in a middle of a run, and if I turn on another game, Hades just resets back to when I first entered the weapons room. So I unlocked aspect of lucifer instead of rama and I realized how trash it was. I was disappointed bcs I didn't have any titan blood left since I blew it on lucifer. It reset my game to before I unlocked lucifer and then I unlocked rama instead

[slim lynx]

lucifer doesn't really seem that much worth putting titan blood into since it just makes the special do more damage if you detonate it and nothing else

whereas upgrading rama makes the special more op than it already is

[zinc merlin]

Yeah

Also lucifer sucks

In my opinion

It feels so slowwwww

[fervent elbow]

I only had 1 clear with Lucifer, and that's just for the fated list

[zinc merlin]

Yeah thats the only reason I would use it

[jaunty wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283768797112958976/801817953909342208/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676

finally got all 6

[safe yew]

but LASERS

[zinc merlin]

It sounds cool and looks cool but its really not

[coral cave]

Super soaker build is fun tho

[zinc merlin]

I tried that but it feels really slow

[jaunty wave]

lasers are super strong, because the damage ramps up

[stiff igloo]

any build that i didnt try yet?

[zinc merlin]

Nice I still got 3 of them left

[jaunty wave]

so you can do some mega damage over time with just a couple of the right perks

[zinc merlin]

Idk it doesnt feel right

[stiff igloo]

zeus and artemis in poseidon sword done
blade rift on hera done
festive fog on bruwolf done
merciful end on gilgamech done
rail 5 rockets build done

idk what to do

[fervent elbow]

boonless rama

[zinc merlin]

Phalanx shot on hera

[stiff igloo]

you mean athena's cast? ?

[zinc merlin]

The cast from athena

Yeah

[stiff igloo]

ok gonna try it

[zinc merlin]

Its really cool

[stiff igloo]

what am i looking for as duos and stuff?

[zinc merlin]

Zues athena duo

Where the casts bounce

[slim lynx]

what's a good charged volley build for zag aspect?

[stiff igloo]

is there any good beuwolf build that dosent include festive fog?

[woven crater]

Flood shot and crush shot both work pretty well too

[stiff igloo]

wich god are these?

aphrodite?

[woven crater]

Aphrodite and Poseidon

[stiff igloo]

ok

[slim lynx]

good charged volley build?

i'm thinking aphro since it does a lot of damage

maybe relentless or concentrated

[cloud vault]

I don't think that's a thing

If you're playing Zag bow

[slim lynx]

guess i'll just take it for the sake of it

[cloud vault]

I would say probably Artemis if you really want to

[slim lynx]

afaik you can't get charged volley with chiron so i'll just do with what i have

[woven crater]

Zag bow special is...

[cloud vault]

It's okay for tagging things with weak

So you can heart rend

[woven crater]

Oh, that's fair, getting better crits is good

[slim lynx]

yeah i was just thinking heart rend build on zag and getting charged volley just for the prophecy

[stiff igloo]

@woven crater aphrodite cast on beuwolf

what duos i should get

(what should i look for)

[cloud vault]

Smoldering air

[stiff igloo]

with who

say gods idk any boon name

[cloud vault]

And billowing Strength from Zeus to make it useful

[woven crater]

Smoldering air is with zeus, it autocharges call meter

[cloud vault]

Zeus / Aph and solo zeus

Billowing will boost your cast damage

[stiff igloo]

ok so zeus

[woven crater]

You'll also want aphrodite boons that make your weak better - one of them makes weak foes take more damage, and there's another aphrodite boon that improves crush shot's damage and range - not certain if it works on flare

[cloud vault]

Parting shot form aphro/Athena is good too, but it will take some skill to use well

[slim lynx]

smoldering air with zeus/dio is already good

[stiff igloo]

wow

[slim lynx]

if you get billowing strength or second wind it's 😩 👌

[stiff igloo]

i got athena and zeus without any keepsakes

xD

[cloud vault]

Smoldering Zeus/Aph

[woven crater]

Sounds like the run is set

[cloud vault]

Hehe

[woven crater]

As for hammers, you definitely want charged shot and something else to build bull rush

[cloud vault]

If you take aphro call it will be really funny

Sudden Rush is best hammer

Unyielding Defense can be okay too if you're getting hit

[stiff igloo]

i thought the duo will power up my cast

its just your call charges up automaticly

[slim lynx]

unyielding defense?

[woven crater]

There's another zeus boon that makes damage better after calling, so you'll want to be doing that frequently

It's a bit more of a subtle synergy, but it's a good one

[slim lynx]

actually billowing strength just straight up increases your damage

[woven crater]

Yeah I just misremembered briefly

All damage is buffed

[slim lynx]

it really shines if you pom it

[serene hamlet]

Does aspect of Hades increase my overall dmg, with attack and special, or is it just a flat amount being added on my base dmg?

[solid cairn]

the dmg is additive

meanning it increases base damage by a certain percent

most damage increases are additive

crits act as a pseudo multiplicative damage up

[slim lynx]

what even is "additive" or "multiplicative"

[stiff igloo]

i got zeus legendary

[solid cairn]

additive means things are added to a value

so if I have 2 50% damage increases, that means I do double base damage

if it was multiplicative, it would be 100 x 1.5

then multiply that by 1.5

@slim lynx

basically if you have aphro attack and chaos attack bonus, chaos attack bonus will not take into account the damage that aphro attack gives

and instead only boost the base damage

[slim lynx]

so if i have a 100% damage boost from aphrodite and i get a 33% damage boost from chaos, it takes the damage boost from aphro as a base then increases it by 30%

like how shared suffering works

[solid cairn]

I can explain later

[slim lynx]

actually it's basically just how shared suffering works isn't it

[solid cairn]

ok so here's a better example

if I have an attack that does 100 damage

and an attack boon that increases it by 50%

that means my attack does 150 damage

if I get a chaos boon that increases it by 50%, it will not boost the damage the attack boon gives

does that make sense

[slim lynx]

hmm

[solid cairn]

if it was multiplicative, it would increase the 150 damage by 50%

but instead it only increases the 100 base damage by 50%

[slim lynx]

so the chaos boon just adds 50 damage?

[solid cairn]

well 100 damage was just an example but yes

[slim lynx]

so additive boosts ignore other boosts

[solid cairn]

that is why attack % damage boons are actually not as impactful as you may thing

pretty much

[slim lynx]

ok cool, brain slightly bigger now 👍

[solid cairn]

and they are really good on cast boons

those are all base damage

[wet sand]

any aspects that can make the spear good? or atleast better?

[slim lynx]

most people like achilles

[wet sand]

i mean idk i don't really like losing my attack but i guess i can try

[solid cairn]

wdym

[wet sand]

when you special you throw the spear and you cant attar untill recalling the spear which i don't really like

[solid cairn]

achilles ranges from a hybrid melee cast weapon to just a full melee weapon

you can recall super fast

and teleport to it

you can use it for movement

[wet sand]

oh yeah basically tp yeah it's not bad now that i've tried it

like the ball rush in the shield

[solid cairn]

and the buff is crazy

on hades spear you don't use special anyway unless you get explosive launcher

[wet sand]

wdym?

[solid cairn]

what do I mean by what

[wet sand]

wdym?

[solid cairn]

on hades spear you mostly want to spin as enemies are spawning in, then dash strike

[solid cairn]

can you be more specific lol

[wet sand]

unless you get explosive launcher
this wdym by this

[solid cairn]

the daedalus hammer

explosive launcher

instead of recalling the spear after throwing it, the spear just explodes

[wet sand]

wut that sounds good

i don't think i've gotten it

[solid cairn]

well on other spears, the damage is rather insignificant

but with the hades buff it becomes pretty good

it is only obtainable on zagreus and hades aspect

[drifting vale]

The dash strike for the spears is pretty solid too

[solid cairn]

yes

flurry jab is insane

[drifting vale]

And fun

Such a clean animation

[wet sand]

yeah the dash strike hitting 3 times is fun

[solid cairn]

that's serrated point

[wet sand]

then what is flurry jab

[solid cairn]

your attack is faster but you can't spin

[drifting vale]

Endless attack

[solid cairn]

what makes it really good is that when you dash strike it also jabs in between

so you just do insane damage

[wet sand]

ahhh yeah that is one is noice

specially with hermes' attack

[drifting vale]

FAST

[solid cairn]

it's not even good because of its intended way

it's so good because of how it works with dash strikes LOL

[drifting vale]

Then Artemis big number make brain happy

[solid cairn]

zeus attack is really good

[drifting vale]

Yeah yeah it is but big number

[solid cairn]

splitting bolt is so broken with it it's hilarious

[drifting vale]

Splitting bolt is just super strong

Even if you only have dash its great

[solid cairn]

problem is storm lightning is weak

but double strike is insane

storm lightning doesn't do much on its own

[gusty rapids]

storm lightning stinky send tweet

[dusky relic]

Anyone know the % chance of any urn being gold?

[pallid spindle]

I'm curious... what do you all think are the best aspects for each weapon? I'm trying to decide where I should be putting my precious Titan Blood...

[misty turret]

i can give at least my personal preferences for each wep
arthur/achilles/chaos/rama/demeter/eris

GY can be stronger than achilles if you're willing to take the risk

same with gilgamesh

[opal lodge]

poseidon/achilles/beowulf/hera/dem/eris are the "meta" picks

for speedrunning

nemesis too

[slim lynx]

rama is very powerful

chiron is easier to use though

[tame bison]

I have trouble going fast with Hera. But it is super fun

[mild raft]

Hera is a pretty high skill floor for going fast from what I can tell

Rama is great for higher heats because of it's raw power

It's a similar situation of Eris vs Hestia with Hera vs Rama

Eris and Hera are faster but Hestia and Rama are safer and stronger on their own

[rare kindle]

I liked arthur a lot at first, but using it for my heat 20 run to finish bounties, it feels slow

[bold vortex]

How good is Arthur(not in a sense of speedrunning, just general runs)?

[rare kindle]

I'm done with sword bounties, still have the other 5 to work on

Dark thirst really likes sword and fists for me

[empty heron]

In general it's really, really strong.

Can't comment on speedrunning potential.

[bold vortex]

Just did my first run with it and almost killed hades.

[rare kindle]

I even had a common artemis attack on it but I did have an epic chaos dash-strike boon

[empty heron]

You get more health, a defense buff, and the slow attack is brutally strong. I haven't lost with it yet.

[rare kindle]

(I was aiming for aphrodite at first but she didn't give me a good rarity attack so I used artemis like a last resort)

[empty heron]

Either is good

[urban flame]

artemis or aphrodite are both very dramatic on arty

which I appreciate greatly

[empty heron]

With artemis you get to see those huge numbers. 800 crits. 1200 crits.

[rare kindle]

I think it's less dependent on duos

[empty heron]

Get some curse on your special (literally any curse) and go to town

[rare kindle]

I even won one arthur run with a level 8 heroic aphrodite attack

And not many other boons

[empty heron]

I had a run with aphro attack, two(?) Chaos attack boons, and the horder hammer upgrade with like 1200 coins

Its so good

[floral widget]

What is your best build to beat the elyseum boss

I find indirect damages to be effective for theseus but rather slow

[urban flame]

Either Gilgamesh Tidal Dash or Guan Yu Massive+Quick Spin

[floral widget]

A few days earlier, i got the extra damage when moving and it nearly destroyed the minotaur

[mental blaze]

you've probably figured this out by now but generally it's better to take asterius out first

[floral widget]

(French player so sorry if i don't have the english names)

[urban flame]

Woahhhh is he not called Asterius in french? rad

[floral widget]

That i do ! But the shield is a massive pain

Asterion in french

[urban flame]

oh sweet

[floral widget]

Most names are similar but for the boons or weapons upgrades ...

I have some difficulties using guan yu. It does not match how i play. But the aspect of talos for the gauntlets ... love that

[urban flame]

Mmm yes

most satisfying

[safe yew]

hmm... which hammer for guan yu? my choices are breaching skewer, charged skewer and triple jab

[urban flame]

breaching spear sounds useful but you might want charged if you have a percentile damage bonus

[floral widget]

I had a run where most upgrades where for the technique and it was dealing MASSIVE damages. Got a crit at nearly 2500 if i remember correctly

[urban flame]

I cant say I've ever used triple jab very well

[safe yew]

i’m right at the start of the run

[floral widget]

When using it, those never come to me

[safe yew]

guess i’ll go for breaching

[cloud vault]

Charged

Charged Skewer just wins the game by itself with a good a special boon

[stray oxide]

whats the best aspect for the spear?

[urban flame]

people like to say either guan yu or achilles

[floral widget]

Triple jab, i see what it is but charged and breaching skewer ... will have to look for the effect on my next run

But i bet, just as i can't get the last item to buy in order to finish the three fate's order, they will not get in sight easily

[urban flame]

Oh im having a bad time trying to get the charged volley for bow, it refuses to materialize

140 runs in

shield charged throw too

[stiff igloo]

what is a good lucifer build/technique

i never played it before

[rare kindle]

Are you using a bow that can get charged volley?

[urban flame]

Zeus on Special ignites hellfire instantly

[rare kindle]

Pretty sure it can only show on zag and Hera bows

[urban flame]

I do try, been using just hera of late

and started using Zag

just in case its bad juju

[rare kindle]

Just sounds like bad RNG then

[urban flame]

then again I only started using Fated Persuasion lately as well

making it harder for myself

[rare kindle]

Persuasion doesn’t affect hammers, you good

[urban flame]

oh it doesnt? rad

[tame bison]

@stiff igloo it’s a strange one. Be aware you can continue to fire while dashing so you don’t interrupt the ramp up damage, but you won’t get I-frames that way

[urban flame]

back on lucy builds, Zeus on attack is pretty good too, but if you focus on ramp up, Demeter seems good

[tame bison]

Zeus strike Lucy, also you can meme super soaker with Poseidon strike on it

Demeter too

[floral widget]

It took me by surprise too and i still miss one or 2 upgrades for my weapons

[tame bison]

Special..it’s kind of a “mine” and it also procs damage associated with the boon. So deflect Lucy specials will actually deflec for you. You can build a little deflect wall for example

[floral widget]

Demeter is my preference

[urban flame]

if you dont have zeus in specual dont be too upset that they're hard to blow up with your beam, they pulse damage constantly and this can apply effects like doom

dashing into them with a boon also does the trick

[tame bison]

^^^

[floral widget]

Very useful against the witches in asphodele, i confirm

[urban flame]

Just lay the bombs all over and they'll do their work

[tame bison]

I really like the hammer that makes them do a ton more dmg in a larger area

Hellfire?

[urban flame]

oh yeah, pretty good

I trust almost all of the lucy hammers implictly

except the no reload one

I like the ramp

[stiff igloo]

is there some duos that im looking for?

or just zeus on attack

[tame bison]

No reload is good with super soaker but that’s bc all your dmg is Wall slams

[urban flame]

oh true

[floral widget]

Except if you have the attack speed boost from the boon

[urban flame]

oh never got them in that order, in that case I WOULD yes

[floral widget]

Always forget his name, he is too quick

[urban flame]

that in fact sounds dope

[floral widget]

Artemis on attack with luci is deadly too

[wanton comet]

I committed a sin

[urban flame]

as for duos, nothing specific, if you have dio and aphro, then stacking high hangover is neat

[tame bison]

If you do Zeus attack Lucifer, you just want Zeus legend. Don’t really care about other duos

[urban flame]

zeus legend is tops

[floral widget]

But you need to boost crit damages too

[fallen mirage]

If you do Poseidon attack Lucifer you'll really want Zeus Special/Dash for Sea Storm + Double Strike

[urban flame]

heart rend sounds stronk but it always is

[tame bison]

I kinda wanna do a meme run with Thunder Dash only and just all the lightning boons lol

[wanton comet]

I want to get the aspect for Rail

rail is hands down my favorite weapon

[floral widget]

Zeus + demeter duo boon is one of my fav too

[urban flame]

oh bonus of artemis, same as any rail artemis build, support fire is super class with it

[stiff igloo]

on lucifer?

[floral widget]

That's the one who does not make the shock effect expires right ?

[urban flame]

yep!

its a pretty large amount of damage and it adds up

[opal lodge]

cold fusion isnt that useful

since you hold down beam

and it has an aoe anyway via chain

[floral widget]

Really useful agains annemies like the butterflies

[opal lodge]

so most targets are perma jolted anyway

[urban flame]

if its special on zeus and attack on demeter it makes it a worthy investment again

[opal lodge]

but

why

lol

[floral widget]

1 butterfly = one strike so it does not stay long

[tame bison]

Bright what’s the next best casts for Beo besides Dio/feast duo

[opal lodge]

poseidon

[urban flame]

Deme got some neat damage and the chill blast

[opal lodge]

aphro

[urban flame]

she's pretty cool

[tame bison]

Okay. Does Zeus work or does it do weird things

[opal lodge]

zeus is weird

its single target instead of aoe

very mediocre imo

[urban flame]

oh wack

[floral widget]

Yep, chill effect is not as good as the others but the damage boost is good

[tame bison]

If you load multiple Poseidon casts at once, do they all hit? Or first one knocks away targets

[floral widget]

I don't like the 10 chill blast

[floral widget]

The first one knocks away but deadly when next to a wall

Well, even when the 1st one knocks the enemy, the second one can still hit

[wanton comet]

Actually

How do I get the hidden aspect for fists and rail?

cause thats the only two Im missing.

[cloud vault]

Asterius and Zeus

[floral widget]

After using 5 blood on each, of course

[opal lodge]

they will all hit

the knockback is small and only applied after the last cast

[floral widget]

So i was in a hurry when it happened for me and didn't see well

[floral widget]

You have to meet each of them at least one time with the weapon too until they tell something about it

Then when they want, they will tell you the awakening phrase

[safe yew]

which spin hammer for guan yu? flaring (sturdy + damage pulse), quick, or massive (+125% damage + bigger)

[tame bison]

Quick usually

Just bc spin is awkward to cast

Flaring is like an F

Massive could work if you’re confident with getting off your spins.

Spin dash etc

[safe yew]

surely flaring would be useful for guan yu though?

no more getting interrupted

[tame bison]

Don’t get hit. That’s kinda the idea with guan Yu

The only way you get interrupted is if stuff hits you

If you’re getting hit charging up your spin, You’re doing it wrong

[safe yew]

i can’t heal if i’m having to dash cancel out of my charge all the time though

[tame bison]

Again, treat guan Yu as a “don’t get hit ever”

But charge spin and dash to Release

Don’t dash cancel

You can charge and then dash and you’ll still Spin.

[safe yew]

i can’t push two buttons at once 😭

i’m on switch

so those two buttons are beside each other

i have to release one to press the other

[tame bison]

If the only time you ever spin is to hit mobs as they are spawning, you will rarely be wrong

[safe yew]

anyway i’ll go w quick for now

[tame bison]

I don’t ever use the spin when stuff is actually around bc I’m not good enough. 😛

Shoot it at the spawn circles

That’s generally why flaring is pretty useless

[safe yew]

time to go hopefully not get squished by theseus!

says me, a fool who hasn’t picked up a call on this run

[desert cypress]

Killing Theseus first is a good idea

[safe yew]

i always do

bc the minotaur is much easier to dodge

[desert cypress]

Yup

Theseus is just a buffed Longspear

A Longspear with a call

[safe yew]

i usually wail on him as soon as he calls and wipe him out quick

a greater call is like a win button for that

[mighty ermine]

theseus is basically zag spear but uses everything except cast and standard attack

[desert cypress]

Yeah

He does a spin attack though

[mighty ermine]

zag spear has that

[desert cypress]

Yeah

I know

[mighty ermine]

by standard attack i meant like

pokes

[desert cypress]

Yeah

[mighty ermine]

which he does not do

[desert cypress]

Correct

[mighty ermine]

don't really agree with this

it can be tough to get used to, but spear spin is great for general aoe with the dash spin tech

[zinc merlin]

achilles + blade rift

[tame bison]

Yeah that’s fair. I’m definitely generalizing. I am not good enough to use it outside of those instances. (Fixed that comment above)

[woven crater]

Discovering dash spin helped me so much

Made spear much more usable for me

[tame bison]

The start of that string was whether Quick, Massive, or Flaring spin is the best hammer choice. Any input there? My understanding is that Flaring is mostly useless.

And then quick or massive is gonna depend on your comfort level using spin

[woven crater]

Yeah, the best use case for flaring is one you always want to avoid anyway even when you have it

[safe yew]

i went w quick and it’s made life a lot easier

bc i can stun lock w it and still get those sweet sweet heals

also, satyrs on guan yu? Not Fun

[woven crater]

Oh yeah those are rough

[tardy salmon]

What build do you recommend for an aspect of hera dionysus cast?

[woven crater]

Absolutely Demeter, their duo buffs cast damage by 30% and adds chill

If you can get another one too Zeus is very good, makes lightning strike in the cloud

[safe yew]

ice wine and the zeus duo is great

especially with flurry cast from hermes

[tardy salmon]

Can you get two duo boons?

[mild raft]

You can get as many as you want

[tardy salmon]

I just got Zeus's, can I still get Ice Wine?

[stiff igloo]

what is the best build for chiron

i think not sure but i think zeus special has a little coldown that it dosent wrok?

[tame bison]

Yes it doesn’t work with every arrow

Dio/Artemis special are standard

Both work fine

[stiff igloo]

support fire work?

[tame bison]

Not sure? Technically you just shoot 1 special so you should get 1 support Fire.

Your special just happens to have multiple arrows

But not positive

[stiff igloo]

wiat

it says whenb you CAST or hit with your attack/special

cast works once that's why it dosent work on blade rifts

[tame bison]

Does it say hit or does it say use?

[stiff igloo]

but it works on zeus shield

[tame bison]

If it says hit then yeah support fire works

[stiff igloo]

becasue its every zeus shield thing

cast only use
attack/ special hit

that's what it says

[tame bison]

Yeah it should work then

[stiff igloo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801927975921909774/801928093853810688/unknown.png

after you CAST or hit an attack or special

@tame bison i found it

[tame bison]

Cool

[abstract flower]

For Aspect of Hades, do people usually run Deadly Strike and Heartbreak Flourish? Or do they run Passion Dash instead?

[empty heron]

I just had this run. Can confirm it's amazing.

[dusky relic]

honestly having a time restraint pact of punishment was a mistake for the game

a lot of the room decision risk taking is removed in favor of "just pick the one that's shortest"

[empty heron]

Just move faster and pause at decision points

[tardy salmon]

I have trouble with the Minotaur and Theseus fight, I've only been through twice, should I change my strat?

[mighty ermine]

special isn't worth using much over attack with hades spear unless you get exploding launcher

if you want a heart rend build, go passion dash and deadly strike

deadly strike is also just great on its own with hades

[dusky relic]

what do you mean by "your strat"?

[abstract flower]

Ok. Also, if not a Heart Rend build, what other gods would you recommend?

[tardy salmon]

I've been killing Minotaur first, and running in circles to avoid Theseus, but I've seen people saying to kill Theseus first. So what should I do

[dusky relic]

I would definitely say minotaur first if you haven't completed a run yet

having theseus call upon the gods while he throws his spear while the minotaur is on you is not fun

[mighty ermine]

heartbreak strike also works on attack. even gods that aren't ideal for it (zeus, dio) can get carried by either serrated point or just applying punishing sweep regularly enough. but yeah, i'd recommend artemis and aphrodite mainly, but it's pretty flexible

[abstract flower]

Ok. For hammers, do exploding launcher and serrated point work? Or replace exploding launcher with quick spin?

[mighty ermine]

exploding launcher and serrated point are what i consider to be hades spear's best hammers. the spin ones are good, for sure, but not super needed

as long as you make use of mini dash-spins, it isn't hard to fit them into regular combat

[abstract flower]

what are mini dash-spins?

[mighty ermine]

dashing while charging a spin to release it in a direction

and by mini i just mean not fully charged spins

you get iframes similar to a standard dash with dash-spins, too

[wary tundra]

Does any one have any recommendations on a Beuwolf Posiden build?

[gusty rapids]

you really want artemis attack to lead into mirage shot

other than that, wave pounding helps too

then just toss a ton of poms in ur cast and ur good to go tbh

[wary tundra]

Yeah I’ve been experimenting with it and haven’t tried that one yet. Thanks! I tried Blizzard shot on it for fun. It’s really not too bad. Wouldn’t recommend pushing heat with it but it’s fun!

[tame bison]

Dead to FO2 EM3 for the 100th time lol

[viral star]

i wish zag sword was a pre-requisite for rush delivery

[fair plinth]

how does chiron work with triple shot/chain shot?

esp chain shot

does the first or last target get locked on?

[mighty ermine]

first

so the chain bounces don't interfere with the special target

[rare kindle]

It turns out smoldering air with zeus call and billowing strength is really good

Also, when people use aphrodite cast on beowulf, is there any other boons they aim for?

[tame bison]

Also put the Hermes call related boon on there. Get some free dodge

[zinc merlin]

Jesus I got so lucky. I was doing a run and had zero dd's left going into the hades fight. What I didnt realize was that was my 9th run and he just lets you go for free

[tame bison]

What does Spear Spin dmg scale from? Attack?

[forest marsh]

Yes

[mental blaze]

yea anything you do by pressing the attack button is considered an attack (except, like, blocking with the shield i guess)

however bull rush is considered an attack

[tame bison]

Thanks

So does anyone use Mistral Dash for anything umm...ever?

[mental blaze]

privileged status

[tame bison]

Ahh bc the trail of it applies chill

[misty turret]

mistral dash is good for priv status yeah, some extra chill never hurt

[gusty dagger]

I wish we were able to test boons and hammers on skelly

[woeful shale]

Late, but: If you build around GuanYu's charged attacks and have Athena's Attack boon, you can just spam charged attacks while being semi invincible as you hide inside the frost fair blades while you chain them.

[forest marsh]

Mistral Dash does reasonable damage, too, as it can hit the same enemy a number of times

[tame bison]

Does the mistral dash “trail” deal damage or just the burst in front of you

[fair plinth]

man

forgot I had a "take 47% more damage" boon from chaos

tried to borrow some obols

instantly 3 DD's gone

here's praying for patty

[gusty dagger]

oof

[gusty dagger]

Does rama special increase dmg of rama attack? Like is it worth applying the special debuff before attacking a single enemy?

[mighty ermine]

yes

[rare kindle]

shared suffering also works on a single enemy, so it's like 100% + 60% damage

[mighty ermine]

other than with enemies that have low enough health where you don't need it, or breaking small bits of armor

always apply shared suffering, even to single targets

[coral cave]

you could hit an enemy with it then attack other ones

[gusty dagger]

Ohh cool. So DC2 is like free on this bow then

Is repulse shot any good?

Also how does chain shot work? Does it carry effects such as perfect shot or point blank or twin shot?

[mighty ermine]

repulse shot is mediocre and chain shot carries over those effects, yes

[gusty dagger]

So if I hit an enemy at point blank range, the initial arrow gets increased by 150% right and chain shot will carry over that 150% despite being outside point blank range already?

[wanton comet]

I thought I was feeling lucky with the anvil upgrade at the styx

turns out I'm not because I got the cursed slash with the arthur blade.

[proven osprey]

Well

Never anvil lol

[wanton comet]

but three upgrades

[proven osprey]

yeah sure

[still vortex]

it's two

[proven osprey]

It's 3 max

since it's -1 +2

[gusty dagger]

Rama bow is so nice. It's like you got the hard-hitting attack of the Zag bow, arrow flurry special of the Chiron bow, and the AoE of Hera bow at the cost of being slow.

[still vortex]

just chock it up to rng

[proven osprey]

it's a fun gamble y

[wanton comet]

I just got the aspect of lucifer

Testing it out

should I go dio or demeter with arctic burst?

[proven osprey]

zeus

but yeah do as you wish

[wide flume]

Zeus is good

[still vortex]

wish there was a keepsake to get only zeus boons

[gusty dagger]

Speeder Wringers in Forced Overtime 2 😳

[misty turret]

speeder purple bomb dudes in FO1/2

[narrow ravine]

The Zeus keepsake will definitely help, it’s just annoying to keep it past the 2nd zone

[bright sandal]

Is it just me or is a Lucifer aspect focused on special not great on controller since you always lock onto enemies whenever you're trying to set off the bombs?

[coarse moss]

you can set off bomb with on-dash effect. if you get triple bomb hammer, you dont have to. just spam special and they blow up as is. kinda bad without that hammer, super good if you get it

[bright sandal]

Yeah but forcing yourself to dash into it and an entirely different playstyle still isn't ideal. I'm just gonna learn how to play on keyboard for this one aspect lol

[urban flame]

they pulse and detonate an enemy attacks too

the pulse deals damage and applies any status curses

just spam special a bunch and they should do the work

zeus is good for proccing them easier though

apparently athena special makes their pulse/detonation into a deflector shield is another way to go about it

[still vortex]

Lucifer aspect is also fine at lvl one and ignoring the special

[urban flame]

Oh yeah totally

zeus on attack is great

[manic needle]

oh my god merciful end is so broken

especially with fists

divine dash plus curse of agony is disgusting

[slim lynx]

imagine having to fight over 20 bruiser slam-dancers with chiron in asphodel while frantically dodging artemis trying to shoot you and surviving with all your dds

you wouldn't believe me if i told you i did that

[misty turret]

jury summons/chaos +enemies be like

i took +78% enemies chaos curse one time in tartarus and nearly timed out

had a room i was in for like 2 full minutes

bruiser+speeder witches x20

[plush fog]

is it possible to get duo boons from trials? I feel like I heard somewhere that it isn't

[barren otter]

It's not possible to get any duos from trials (can still get legendaries though)

[bronze marten]

If I use blade rifts or crystal beam with Achilles spear, does the post raging rush bonus apply to all three rifts/lasers or only the first four hits of any individual rift/laser?

[slim lynx]

all three iirc

[deep parcel]

can someone tell me Hunting Blades works with beowulf or not?

[mighty ermine]

it does not

[split echo]

Which one is best for high attack rate? Zeus, demeter, dio, or artemis?

[opal lodge]

zeus

[honest geode]

Doing my first Excalibur run, any build suggestions?

[dry ember]

ME

But seriously, just go Heartrend

[honest geode]

Gotcha, was also gonna try building around hoarding slash

[dry ember]

Breaching Slash is desirable

I don't like Hoarding Slash on Arthur because your swing rate is so low

[honest geode]

Hmmm, I’ll give it a shot.

[dry ember]

Good luck!

[honest geode]

Thanks!

[mighty ermine]

hoarding slash is pretty terrible on arthur, yeah

[still vigil]

Zeus dash was fun to use on gilga

[oak raptor]

yknow most of the dash ones are ones i conisder to be the weakest

but i wonder what the best are

also 16 heat run done

and with that

https://i.imgur.com/NzxGdjs.png

had to get skellys second prize one

[bronze sorrel]

I'd say Tidal Dash and Divine Dash are the best dashes and also two of the best core boons in the game. Hunter's Dash used to be also pretty powerful but I generally find it to be more niche these days since the nerf. Passion Dash is pretty good as a weak applicator for heart rend on melee builds. Mistral Dash isn't bad and is a solid cold applicator on dashy builds. Blade Dash and Thunder dash are pretty mediocre in my experience unless you have alot of supporting boons and even then kinda questionable. Drunken Dash actively sabotages hangover builds and does next to nothing.

[oak raptor]

yeha i donly just found out how hangover works

in terms of overwriting damage

[bronze sorrel]

Congrats on 16 heat

[oak raptor]

also yeah i agree on prtty much all those.

[opal lodge]

blade dash is super good

[oak raptor]

excpet maybe tidal,but maybe im jsutbad and i dont like it

[opal lodge]

highest dps dash if youre using it right

tidal is close

[oak raptor]

blade dash is good IF you get the ramping blade damage boon

[opal lodge]

you dont need it

[oak raptor]

no but it helps alot

[opal lodge]

obviously not bad to have

[bronze sorrel]

Ya, they REALLY need to rework Drunken dash and peer pressure.

[opal lodge]

but blade dash is pretty self sufficient

[bronze sorrel]

Whats using it right? I've never gotten good dps from it.

[opal lodge]

its kind of hard to explain, but you want to leapfrog enemies and kite them into it

works well with fists

[bronze sorrel]

I find it usually only gets one damage tick for me at best before the enemy moves off it.

Or else that I'm losing other dps spending way to much brainpower trying to land it.

[opal lodge]

hmm

i mean with fists you mostly move from target to target

takes some adjustment for sure

but blade dash good

[bronze sorrel]

And then Tidal Dash also has potential slam damage on top of 35 base, has more supporting boons and unlocks alot more duo prereqs

[mighty ermine]

hunter dash is still very powerful on a broad handful of aspects

it's definitely up there still despite the nerf imo

[half crater]

bladed dash sounds good on fists yeah but playing them without divine dash is terrifying to me

[oak raptor]

what was nerfed about it

[mighty ermine]

the damage bonus

[half crater]

it used to be more damage

[bronze sorrel]

Ya, I still put it third after divine and tidal

Just more niche now

[half crater]

don’t remember exactly what it used to be, but it was a pretty decent nerf iirc

[bronze sorrel]

Used to be THE dps dash

[half crater]

it’s still quite good imo

[mighty ermine]

~100% at epic

now it's around 70% for epic

[still vigil]

I like zeus dash on fists too, especially with cold fusion

[half crater]

thought it was 75% at epic currently?

[mighty ermine]

nah, 50 to 60 to 70

from common to epic

[half crater]

oh no nvm you’re right

[still vigil]

So

How does one use cold embrace

[bronze sorrel]

Still great on big damage dash strike builds. But more niche for sure

[bronze sorrel]

At the well of purging for 450 obols

[half crater]

i mean, i’d hardly call dash strike builds niche

[bronze sorrel]

Right but choosing it over divine and tidal seems more niche now

[half crater]

pretty aspect dependant

[bronze sorrel]

I find I use it mostly on bow. Sometimes sword

[mighty ermine]

all sword aspects, serrated point spear, bows, etc. still really want hunter dash

[half crater]

and divine dash loses most of its appeal if you’re not pushing heat

it’s basically irrelevant in speedruns save for ME

[mighty ermine]

it's desirable on a lot of weapons

[half crater]

^

[bronze sorrel]

I pretty much agree with that

Except maybe poseidon sword. I still really like splash dash there.

Also divine on any merciful end build obviously

[half crater]

the other big two for hunter dash are zag shield and hestia

[bronze sorrel]

Does hunter dash apply to Hestia magic bullet?

[half crater]

yup

[bronze sorrel]

Ohhhhh.

Thats juicy

I didn't think that counted as a dash strike.

[half crater]

it doesn’t have a default dash strike effect, but hunter dash and chaos boons both still work

well it only does if you dash before doing it ofc

[mighty ermine]

yeah, rail dash-strikes are basically the same but come out faster and benefit from the appropriate boosts

[bronze sorrel]

Well ya lol

What would be a decent rework to Drunken Dash? Or is there some circumstance I'm missing where it isn't terrible?

[half crater]

just making it not delete other hangover boons would be a great start

[mighty ermine]

you pretty much need it to be your only hangover source, and you pom it to hell after hopefully getting high rarity

it does build call pretty well

[bronze sorrel]

Maybe if zag left little Festive Farts instead

[mighty ermine]

but mostly, it's bad

[bronze sorrel]

Like the dio equivalent of blade dash

[half crater]

yeah but rip if that call is dio’s aid

[mighty ermine]

exactly lmao

really would love a hangover priority rework

[half crater]

this idea has been raised before, actually

might not be a bad plan honestly

[bronze sorrel]

Be amazing if it worked with ice wine and scint feast

[half crater]

it’d be amazing black out synergy as well

[bronze sorrel]

Even if it was like 10 base damage

Id take it for sure

[half crater]

i’d take it at no damage at all if it proc’d black out and counted as a prereq

that boon is underrated as is, and it would work so well with this

[bronze sorrel]

Also just be hilarious looking because I have the sense if humor of 10 year old

[half crater]

yeah the official name would have to be Festive Fart ofc

[bronze sorrel]

Hangover priority probs needs a rework regardless though. Otherwise peer pressure will just be useless forever.

Does CoL work like that too with Dire Misfortune?

[half crater]

no idea; been a while since i’ve taken CoL

but 100% agreed about the hangover rework

bit of a problem for a god to have anti synergy with himself

[bronze sorrel]

There are a few of those :/

Ares with doom and Battle Rage / Urge to kill for instance. I guess thats more non-synergy maybe, but still.

[half crater]

yeah those are just different things for different jobs

dio has boons that can actively make his own boons worse

with the exception of a couple of duos (looking at you, freezing vortex) there isn’t really a lot of that elsewhere

[bronze sorrel]

Poor freezing vortex. So worthless.