feel like this would be true if it had the * next to it saying "only great when maxed"
#h1-builds-and-combat
fair tree
i have l3 rn its p good
coarse moss
even at maxed, its not as fun as zeus and beowulf. for me that is
arctic rampart
Zeus I need to get accustomed to
I think I have beowulf unlocked but I don't really know what to do with it rn
urban flame
Zeus is fun but it's very much a different game
arctic rampart
with zeus shield is the goal just keep that shield out there as much as possible
i doubt you want it to return to you asap
coarse moss
if the enemy is like hydra or theseus, that is they stand still, you keep the shield out there on them. most of the time though, like room clearing
naive sparrow
guys, is companion rib actually good, like, ever?
coarse moss
you go near them, throw it at close range, and pull it back quickly
fair tree
companion rib?
naive sparrow
the skelly one
fair tree
cannot be used against charon
against charon?
why would you need to use it against charon??
why does it say that???
tame bison
The answer to Rib is No
coarse moss
i tried it only once, cant really say. might help you get through a tough em4 run maybe? not sure how well it tanks hits there
naive sparrow
describe it in the least spoilery way possible
i dont think theres a way to describe it without outright saying what happens
tame bison
Think the issue is that it may help but it doesn’t help nearly as much as the rest of the damage options
naive sparrow
yep, thats the impression im getting too
tame bison
Like you don’t care if it can “tank EM4” bc you would rather just kill him lol
naive sparrow
it has a niche but a niche is so bad that theres no reason not to pick damage instead
fair tree
ambrosia delight or refreshing nectar
i already have 2 epic boons (curse of agony and impending doom)
so delight could be VERY good\
but at the same time i have a gauranteed athena
opal lodge
pom porridge is almost always best but nectar is also quite good
arctic rampart
Like you don’t care if it can “tank EM4” bc you would rather just kill him lo```
If it was available earlier in the game, this wouldn't be as badrarity is rarely the correct choice
arctic rampart
But by the time you unlock it, you already have something better
Or flat out don't even need it
fair tree
hm 1 level which is a very small boost or a huge buff to a boon
yooo heroic curse of agony
lets go
opal lodge
...is that why you think rarity is better than poms?
naive sparrow
correct me if im wrong, you pick rarity when you know u will pick and have poms to upgrade it further right?
coarse moss
refreshing nectar helps get duos right?
tame bison
Also nectar if you haven’t seen Hermes yet
arctic rampart
Pom upgrades show heavy diminishing returns past lvl 3
coarse moss
i always pick that
tame bison
Your rarity choice was by far the worst option haha
opal lodge
at a time when you probably dont have a ton of poms!
fair tree
also sisyphus is the best
change my mind
arctic rampart
*Bouldy
opal lodge
taking athena dash weirdchamp
untold vortex
not nessesarily the worst choice, if you have a greatest reflex for example going for rarity up can amazing if it hits that
untold vortex
especially because hermes boons can't be pommed
opal lodge
yeah if you know it has a high chance to hit hermes its worth
fair tree
phalanx shot athena's aid or holy shield
i'm out of persuasion
epic phalanx shot other 2 rare
doom chaos shield build
imma go phalanx shot cuz chance for duo
oh nvm
naive sparrow
if you pick nourished soul with maxed lasting consequences, does it have any effect at all?
arctic rampart
taking athena dash weirdchamp
Don't @ me
tame bison
Ondai: No
untold vortex
if you pick nourished soul with maxed lasting consequences, does it have any eff...
it will do precisely nothing
fair tree
i just realized why demeter seems so cold and sad
i have gotten like 7 chances to take aphrodite\
er
artemis
and none for athena
dope got the dual boon
fair tree
ares athena
fading garden
Ah, merciful end.
fading garden
It is a good one
oak raptor
running a dio build with it right now
not sure if i want to go for aphro or ares duo
ashamed to say i used to think privleged status was the worse talent
stray apex
What pacts should i use for 10 and 10 + heats?
hoary slate
Em3 MM and BP i'd say, abbreviations are in the high-heat-channel pins
arctic rampart
ashamed to say i used to think privleged status was the worse talent
🍅
fading garden
ashamed to say i used to think privleged status was the worse talent
We all think silly things like that from time to time
fading garden
Didn't even have to see Chiron to know it was Chiron 😆
arctic rampart
I want to like hidden aspect bow
urban flame
I did just finish a similar hidden aspect build
arctic rampart
But it charges really slow for my liking
arctic rampart
two procs on the shared suffering is pretty good
but that still doesn't help the fact that it charges slowly
urban flame
heartbreak shot really feels like it carried that build, good ole dio took a backseat for once
artemis/aphro/dio builds for chiron and hidden aspect are super tasty
oak raptor
so i learned that hangover damage stacks god gaudge
which makes sense
but i was wondering at first "why is this charging so fasT"
@spiral badge https://i.imgur.com/bRLVxf4.png
i see now
coarse moss
yeah i had this weird gilgamesh run with dio attack. poseidon call. maim effect with call does insane damage. em4 was a breeze
frozen bolt
Does anyone else find final boss phase 1 easier than phase 2?
In phase 1 he does the massive spear swing straight away, in phase 2 he does two smaller ones first so you have more time to get clear
frozen bolt
Also his laser has so much vulnerable time at the end.
arctic rampart
imo
frozen bolt
And the adds are so rough
arctic rampart
Hope your room clear is still good otherwise
frozen bolt
Especially the super archers
arctic rampart
they're staying
frozen bolt
They fire like six shots in a row
coarse moss
with EM4 the adds are even worse
arctic rampart
Yeah I'm not looking forward to it
But do it enough times you eventually get it down
coarse moss
after you play for a while, you can clear the last boss even with average builds. then its time to try em4 😄
coral cave
em4 is wild
coarse moss
eat! increae win chance xD
safe yew
yoooo i finally won!!
coarse moss
wohoo!
safe yew
stubborn roots absolutely saved my life, oof
coarse moss
which weapon/aspect?
coarse moss
gratz!
arctic rampart
Ok real quick I need some build ideas for ||Arthur||
Probably something to take advantage of its huge base dmg
Artemis/Aphrodite maybe?
slim lynx
so i learned that hangover damage stacks god gaudge
wait what 😳
oak raptor
yeah i noticed my gauge was charging really fast
and then i noticed all the hangover stacks
and went
"oh"
slim lynx
wait so which is better at filling the god gauge, hangover + curse of nausea or crits on chiron + whatever arty's t2 call boon is called
slim lynx
does spread fire on rail stunlock enemies or does it just have short range and relatively high damage?
arctic rampart
I don't think it can stunlock
But then again I only got to try it once
For now I just assume it has short range and lots of dmg
slim lynx
then you' have to really get to try it out to see what it's worth
because high damage isn't much if it's close-range and doesn't stunlock
safe yew
triple bomb is making my life so much easier w theseus and asterius omg
makes up for not seeing a single athena boon this run
coarse moss
beowulf trippy shot
stiff igloo
what is best for cast build
beowolf shield
poseidon sword
hera bow
kindred rapids
All
kindred rapids
Beo Shield is easiest to get the hang of though
oak raptor
i really like beo shield with artemis cast
and the hammer upgrade that makes bull rush ranged
stiff igloo
i only used poseidon sword
oak raptor
poseidon sword is really good if you pick up exit wounds
boreal cradle
how can i beat a 32 heat run ? xd
kindred rapids
Lol practice
hoary slate
how can i beat a 32 heat run ? xd
worldly blaze
Faustian Bargains
kindred rapids
Sell your soul for apm
safe yew
what does the final boss’ skull things actually do??
burning blood? bound something???? i’m dodging too fast to see
stiff igloo
what is the best cast with hera/beowolf shield
stiff igloo
burning blood? bound something???? i’m dodging too fast to see
if it hits you he deal double dammage to you if he does not hit you it counts 5 seconds and then makes a wave that deals damage
you gotta dash inside the wave to dodge
but you can destroy it when its still counting
safe yew
ooooh okay thanks
stiff igloo
np
safe yew
i always dodge into the wave or kill the skull
stiff igloo
ye that's good
safe yew
anyway he got SALTY when i used my greater call of zeus heh heh
stiff igloo
but i hate that when i deflect it it dosent hit him
it just goes into the ground
ye
"don't get them involved" 3 seconds later "COME ON WRETCHES"
oak raptor
what is the best cast with hera/beowolf shield
trippy shot or artemis imo
stiff igloo
you mean frog?
safe yew
i used my demeter greater call last time and ‘the cold doesn’t touch me!’ oof
coarse moss
you mean frog?
for beowulf poseidon cast is great. build all the boons that upgrade knockback. also try for zeus duo
stiff igloo
and what about the bow
i know for sure for poseidon sword its artemis cast
but for hera bow
coarse moss
i havent used it much but heard aphrodite is favorite of speedruns
stiff igloo
i wnat to test ALL of them to know what is best
vale imp
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Zeus cast def comes into its own with Poseidon on deck
eternal wasp
how do you utilize zeus shield properly
kindred rapids
With Zeus Special Boon
safe yew
spread fire made theseus a joke?? that or piercing fire
just stood and spammed attack and chewed him up
what’s that you have a shield? haaaaa ha ha
safe yew
one of my deadalus hammers made my hits ignore his blocking somehow
kindred rapids
Piercing Fire
safe yew
ye!!! i gotta hope i get that all the time bc w o w
regal garden
just did a heart rendchiron run where i lost 2 dds to charon and got none back before hades
pain
regal garden
to be clear i did
beat the run
didnt lose my last dd on hades
because i had an incredibly ridiculous heart rend chiron build
hard robin
Nice
regal garden
yeah
safe yew
update: i Do Not like the zeus aspect shield
it was gr8 for tisiphone but awful for the hydra and it’s not good for the minotaur either
coarse moss
it does take time to get used to. did you put zeus boon on special?
junior tinsel
lol i had fun with zeus shield earlier
just throwing it and then make it return and running around lol
coarse moss
it was gr8 for tisiphone but awful for the hydra and it’s not good for the minot...
to make zeus shield feel good, at first try ignoring the attack and only use special. use it at close range and recall it asap. dont let it fly too far. get zeus special boon, and try to aim for zeus legendary. after you get comfy with the special then you can mix in some normal attacks
coarse moss
athena special bad. zeus special is the only way to go! (or artemis only if you maxed out the aspect)
turbid needle
So I have 15 titan blood and the chance to fully unlock Guan Yu,
how hard is to learn compared to the other weapons? the HP thing is going to hurt so much
regal garden
uh
well
if you don't want to pump all of it into guan yu
you could get it to like level 3
and you would sitll have more than 40 percent health
hang on to the other titan blood
try a run and if you like it upgrade it ?
or smth
its you focus on the special using it
i think
safe yew
tips/boons for talos fists?
regal garden
i mean
general good boons with fists are good
i think if you want a fun one
tempest flourish
yoyo effect
spiral badge
Ooooo
@safe yew for Talos
Learn meathook-cancelling
It’s a tech just for Talos that is very valuable
coral cave
You're gonna have to explain that
spiral badge
Will do!
So, talos’ special is actually 2 parts
The GET OVER HERE and the uppercut itself
If you’re quick, you can input an attack, dash or cast between the GET OVER HERE activating and the uppercut coming out
safe yew
ohhh i see
spiral badge
This lets you get some really busted cast combos online like aphrodite, where you pull a foe in from across the room and unload 3 shotgun blasts straight in their face without having to wait on the laggy uppercut
safe yew
i can sometimes manage a dash after i scorpion a dude
safe yew
but oof my reflexes are not great
spiral badge
That’s the good way to practice
It’s a pure timing window
But it is a very powerful tech for talos
safe yew
nice
spiral badge
And as a bonus the meathook itself is what applies the debuff
Meaning that you lose nothing for +damage output by cancelling your uppercut (short of the uppercut damage itself)
In general the damage buff of Talos is great, but the actual meathook mechanic and how it enables you to fight are really what make it shine. Learn well how to use it to position enemies creatively to fight all sorts of ways! Talos is my favorite weapon in the game, so fast and freeform with its combat ❤️
mental blaze
i tried that and i can cancel into a dash pretty easily but can't pull off canceling into an attack or cast no matter how hard i try
spiral badge
It’s a pure timing window, I promise. It’s tight but it’s there every time. Practice practice, it definitely takes making inputs much quicker than you usually do in this game
mental blaze
like, hitting them at basically the same time quick, or what
spiral badge
Between when the meathook activates and when the special fires
Close to the Meathook activation as you can get it
mental blaze
yeah i swear i do that but it no worky
spiral badge
That’s really all I can tell you
If you can dash between those two events, you can input another action
It’s fully cancellable, the game cares not it seems
Practice practice ❤️
mental blaze
is it confirmed to work on the switch version?
spiral badge
Switch Peasant checking in 🙈
mental blaze
it's easier to play in short bursts that way!
spiral badge
If you’re struggling, I recommend rebinding cast!
I keep mine on right trigger, like a shooter trigger
Helps me remember it much easier
And I keep reload on left trigger
For rail
That is honestly a big ergonomic buff for me and if you haven’t visited on your controls at all to try and make your life easier you should
Binding trigger to cast also lets me dash-cast much easier, which is a good way of shaving lots of frames off of your semiautomatic cast and getting all 3 out much quicker
Call I keep bound to A because that’s the least used button you have
surreal ledge
is there some specific trick for reaching sub 10mins?
spiral badge
Git Very Gud
surreal ledge
thank you
spiral badge
That’s really more of a High Heat channel question tbh
surreal ledge
ah Ill try there
spiral badge
10 minutes is cooking! If you hit that number you’ve really done something!
regardless of heat!
surreal ledge
ok thank you
spiral badge
The piece of bedrock advice that I can pass along before you go is
Take every chaos gate, every shop, every character interaction like bouldy and Eurydice and Patroclus that you can
Those bypass a whole room in seconds and that counts. Tick tock tick tock
Beyond that it’s probably down to finding a busted build like ME fists and Gitting Gud
regal garden
gitting gud isnt a thing
coral cave
I mean it kinda is
spiral badge
Adapting to your environment and growing as a player is though??
regal garden
like theres improvement but theres no way to "git gud"
coral cave
You get better at the game
coral cave
Git gud is getting better at the game
regal garden
like people ask for help or do bad and other people are like "git gud lol"
spiral badge
I mean it has negative connotations because it’s a harsh, stark answer
regal garden
well it doesn't really help is what i mean
spiral badge
The problem is lots of questions boil back down to that harsh, stark, true answer
regal garden
by itself
spiral badge
I’d rather be truthful that the secret to success lies in personal development and adaptation than some secret broken weapon combo that wins the game for you
That harsh light is what I feel is most valuable to help a new player understand that their journey will not be easy, and that it will take sacrifice and improvement from them to meet the challenge
That’s what I mean when I say it, anyway
spiral badge
I always try to do both ❤️ because you’re right, an answer without context and explanation is useless
fading garden
That was surprisingly thorough and thought out. Your word choice also suggests this isn't the first time this has been the first time you've thought about it either though.
In short, :clap:
hard robin
Winged serpent or quick spin?
fading garden
Winged serpent makes it last substantially longer, so I'd say that
proven osprey
Winged serpent or quick spin?
Quick
spiral badge
Nah dogg, I’m just a walking thesaurus and in a past life “Git Gud or Die” was your life so its a perspective and creed I just happen to understand inside and out
spiral badge
I like winged for the range on +heal 🙈
But quick is probably necessary for that to work well
proven osprey
Quick spin enables spin builds and make it safe to spin even vs angry dad
proven osprey
Quick and massive spin are the spin hammers
Winged serpent is ok but overall worse than em
coarse moss
yup quick spin is the difference of spin being usable or not. long range spins dont matter when the enemies always running at you
fickle totem
how is there a half minute gap between 1st and 2nd place world records?
cunning urchin
One of them was half a minute faster.
spiral badge
Oof, that's cooking. Were they separate weapons?
fickle totem
both eris rail
spiral badge
@cunning urchin I don't know if you know, but how does the speedrunning community feel about RNG's influence in this game? Are there any mod efforts made to standardize things somewhat on pc, or are things kept vanilla for sake of leaderboard compatibility?
coarse moss
i thought second was hestia
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Just an idle thought
cunning urchin
No mods allowed on the speedrun leaderboards. They have a mod that guarantees 3-sack for Hermes Cup races.
fickle totem
they should give an option in game to always have the 2nd sack, otherwise i feel this game is flawed for speedrunning
just like they unlock companions in the hades battle, they should unlock 2nd sack too
cunning urchin
It's not designed for speedrunning. They take speedrunners into account a lot, but it's not the primary goal.
fickle totem
doesn't have to be, just takes a little touch
spiral badge
See stuff like that
I'm reminded of the tf2 competitive scene, at least in the early days, who liked their flawless team fps without random crits thank you very much
Just standardization tweaks
Just curious. The Hermes cup one sounds nice
proven osprey
I want to die on 4 sack
And say I run out of time but in fact I just suck at dad fight
if you enable 2 sack I can't blame anything but my skills
spiral badge
I 5 sack styx 100% of the time unless I literally can't because of TD 🙈
I'm a masochist
Up yours dad, I broke every single pot I could find along the way
fickle totem
if you speedrun or play on 5 minute timer you don't have time to raid 5 rooms
urban flame
dang flurry shot and double shot together are busted
I was running a zagbow run and wow
chain shot was the icing on the cake
quiet pendant
i keep dying to hades on his final phase
fickle totem
em4?
oak raptor
@fickle totem spoilers but ||extreme meassures modifier on pact of punihsment||
misty turret
spoilers are allowed in here
safe yew
coarse moss
dio mio
oak raptor
opal lodge
ive seen the max phase value, which is around 8.5k, a few times
but havent gotten a chance to screenshot it
cloud vault
if you speedrun or play on 5 minute timer you don't have time to raid 5 rooms
You can easily do anyheat TD3 5 sack, it's not even remotely close.
modest horizon
Any tips for a mirror less run?
modest horizon
Ooo good calls I’ll keep that in mind for Styx I hope Artemis zag bow works too
cloud vault
Rama is pretty deadly too
Shared suffering goes a loooong way
Shields are pretty safe especially Zeus
modest horizon
I tried a Zeus special Rama once and that was hilarious
Other weird things I’ve been trying is all attacks from one god runs and so far Artemis and Aphrodite seems to work
I wonder what’s a full Demeter with Demeter aspect run would be like
modest horizon
I need to hear more of those reaping lines she is queen
Fun thing from almost aphro run on Achilles (I had to take Artemis call because I couldn’t get enough aphro) is that even with ED3 and maybe hard labour I’ve had enough damage reduction for Asterius to be not a threat
keen mesa
Fact: it gets more and more difficult to reach 80% god mode the more you die
keen mesa
yeah, then you hit like a truck
especially because it's a two-fold benefit
damage reduction
AND damage increase
cloud vault
My favorite is aphro special, Artemis attack, and Rend those hearts
keen mesa
if you pick up Broken Resolve and Sweet Surrender
cloud vault
I had a crazy good Arthur lately
Had tempest attack and sea storm, Jolted and rupture
urban flame
not optimal, but it's satisfying to use athena attack on arthur to bat away projectiles
keen mesa
once I get to 80% god mode, I'm going to try to get a build going where I can regenerate more health than I'm taking
via Stubborn Roots for the life regen, and then I'll need Bronze Skin and Different League
keen mesa
nah, I mean, idle regen 😉
misty turret
starting to get a bit more comfortable with FO1
keen mesa
Forced Overtime is something I routinely just leave on, at least I try to
If you had started playing with it from the beginning, you wouldn't know that it wasn't the enemy's normal movement/attack speed
misty turret
almost done giving nectar to characters too
only think i have 6 nectar left to give
keen mesa
You're never actually really done ;-/
misty turret
outside bouldy anyway
keen mesa
😉
misty turret
bouldy can take all my nectar
fading garden
https://imgur.com/UHz1adF
Bruh :0
opal lodge
you havent lived until youve phased dad with stygian beowulf
fading garden
Just gotta ask, how'd ya do that much damage?
small stirrup
Looks like a Dio Cast Beowulf build, probably has a lot of Chaos boons boosting the cast plus just a high leveled boon
fading garden
Even then, I'm not sure that screams 7k damage to me
empty heron
It's 3 dio casts at once
small stirrup
or 4
fading garden
Well, he did just say he was using stygian soul, so not likely
empty heron
It looks like 3 from the pick
small stirrup
Well, he did just say he was using stygian soul, so not likely
You can still get multiple casts from stygian soul
fading garden
Oh, he got 2 extra casts. That is a nutty stygian soul run
small stirrup
Agreed 
fading garden
Then my guess is he had artemis+ pressure points
proven osprey
The key is prolly rush delivery
proven osprey
any advice for Zag spear? 32 heat haha
I'd go flurry jab lightning strike, zeus all the way
pseudo stream
but... huh? doesn't that just totally ignore the special? haa
cloud vault
The special isn't going to carry any runs
pseudo stream
so... is Zag spear basically just a naked spear? haha
proven osprey
Unfortunately yeah
The special buff is % base
It does nothing
Also a special build with hammers should be fun, but not that easy
cloud vault
You can still toss the Spear here and there, you can definitely kill Tartarus with the special but once you need DPS you'll die
Chain throw or whatever is pretty fun, you press special and wretches disappear
rare kindle
Supergiant pls buff zag special or make its aspect focus on attack
analog apex
Is it just me or is stygius as crappy as the bow? I haven’t found any decent build for it yet,not even in Excalibur form
pseudo stream
wat? the bow is SO strong
analog apex
I swear I will never reach hades with those 2 and I already completed the story
pseudo stream
swords are also very strong, try Poseidon
rare kindle
Nemesis also can be very strong, aim for heart rend, aphro special, Artemis attack
fading garden
First, bow isn't crappy. You take those disgusting words back 
2nd, The sword easily has the steepest learning curve of all the weapons and it can take a while to be good at the sword.
potent idol
oh my god. I'm using Aspect of Rama w/ Thunder Flourish (currently level 4, rare), and Swift Flourish (epic).
rare kindle
Arthur you can just chuck aphrodite on there
potent idol
I'm murdering everything in sight. It's lovely.
misty turret
as crappy as the bow
bruh
fading garden
oh my god. I'm using Aspect of Rama w/ Thunder Flourish (currently level 4, rare...
Spicy!
astral helm
Just lost back to back 32 heat Crystal beam runs because I got 5 sacked both times. What the actual **** lol.
analog apex
Yeah I would consider the bow better as the sword as well
astral helm
May just try the guan yu spear run instead for 32 on spear
analog apex
But nothing beats machine gun and malphon
fading garden
Spear is my favorite for sure
analog apex
It was in the beginning as well for me
fading garden
I don't just only play spear as I have a pretty balanced weapon clear rate
misty turret
tfw asterius charges through a pillar
astral helm
What’s your best high heat spear builds?
misty turret
: |
astral helm
I’ve only ever made Achilles into crystal beam work
fading garden
astral helm
Oh nvm do you not go high heat with most weapons?
fading garden
I personally build my way up. I was just sharing this because of the balanced weapon clear rate I was mentioning earlier
I only went 32 on bow because I wanted to try and get the 3rd statue
misty turret
i dont think i can really enjoy playing hestia
it just feels like
not fun
at all
fading garden
I've learned it's certainly not everyone's favorite
I wanna see how Guan Yu with Poseidon's attack pans out. Seems fun
fair tree
whats a good aspect of beowulf build?
fading garden
Knockback with the spin attack seems like an interesting synergy
misty turret
cmon than at least try https://i.imgur.com/BtZCd23.png
wide flume
Anyone have a good sword build i can try?
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If you define Death better than Death, what are you but Death Itself?
Spoken differently, Thanatos is terrible at his job 😝
tepid vessel
cmon than at least try https://i.imgur.com/BtZCd23.png
He showed up to give Zag some eyecandy to motivate him
Very kind
tame bison
@wide flume a specific aspect? Or just basic sword? Artemis dash, aphro strike, aim to get heartrend basically. Or if you get flurry slash early you can do some meme builds with Zeus strike
Practice using dash strike and special and more or less ignoring your actual “attack” bc that’s how Nemesis plays later on
Tons of different ways to build sword so you need to be more specific
pseudo stream
... Poseidon Dash is just... a build eh?
also I got explosive skewer on zag spear, it seems okay
wide flume
@tame bison im looking for a build with Nemesis or Poseidon aspect
pseudo stream
Nemesis: Artemis attack, aphro special, their duo. Poseidon: flood shot + mirage shot
tame bison
^
wide flume
Thanks i'll try it out
pseudo stream
wow. splash dash. that thing seems like it can carry 32 heat almost alone?
pseudo stream
Thanks i'll try it out
oh. add Exit Wounds, it's suuuper strong with that build
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Splash dash op for crowd management
tender dome
BRRUH
theseus managed to steal one of my death defiance uses right before my special was about to kill him
tender dome
especially when hes blessed by athena because as if his shield wasnt enough now whenever he attacks you just cant hit him
plush fog
also, why can I never find extra DD's in the well?
hard robin
which gods work good for guan yu?
plush fog
artemis is a good one
otherwise gods that have high multipliers
lol Astra you gonna get banned
hard robin
otherwise gods that have high multipliers
aphrodite for special I'm guessing?
plush fog
yeah I'm doing a run with that right now
plush fog
artemis also works well on special
tender dome
im so unused to not being able to swear in discord servers
plush fog
just depends if you prefer higher multiplier or extra crit chance
tender dome
its just natural for me to swear and not even realize it but i'll try to not swear
i cant purge aphrodite's crappy little cast because none of the 3 selling wells i've found had the cast as a purge potion
plush fog
hmm do I sell common athena aid
on one hand, its nice to have
but I feel like I could do so much better
empty heron
It's not adding to your build and can eat poms, I say sell
tender dome
why does the daedalus upgrade that makes enemies targeted by my special slower not work sometimes
empty heron
Common athena call without anything else does less damage than most combos. Not worth it.
plush fog
I always forget to use it lol
empty heron
Tbh wait till it's full and you're in a bind
plush fog
until it is at greater and the message flashes
empty heron
Athena is one of those where it's very worth it to wait till full gauge
plush fog
ah okay that's good at least
tender dome
oh coem on i got hit by my own special even though i wasnt in its radius
hard robin
I mostly use it to attack a lot and then press it when I'm about to be punished
and keep attacking
spiral badge
Nothing wrong with filled up Athena call
tender dome
godamnt i have to fight the tiny vermin
empty heron
It's good if there's nowhere to dash and there's lots of projectiles
tender dome
gonna say goodbye to my run now
empty heron
||tiny vermin|| is fun and easy 😁
empty heron
Rattattouie
plush fog
very annoying
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No real spoilers needed here joker
empty heron
Id rather overspoiler than under. Just for me personally
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@plush fog rat is a skill and DPS check, but by this point in the run you should have your DPS online
You’ll get good at burning him down and he’ll become a favorite because he has no invincible interrupts to stop you whooping his ass
Promise ❤️
empty heron
I beat him with a zues rail build
plush fog
ah yeah that's true
rare kindle
If you have no DDs left, hypothetically, do you think tooth or acorn is better going into the Hades fight?
plush fog
I don't think I've ever died to it, but I am always frustrated when I see it
spiral badge
If so acorn and Godspeed
empty heron
Depends what you normally get hit by
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If not maybe tooth
To tank some damage and pray to RNGesus for another DD in a well
rare kindle
Let’s say that you’re just entering Styx, out of DDs and found no refills in the well, is tooth or acorn better?
empty heron
You can get extra DDs in other wells
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If you 100% Styx you are more likely than not to encounter at least 1
Then you’re back at 2 and boom, run is back on track
rare kindle
True, as well as from Athena if she’s in your god pool
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^^^^
plush fog
BRUH
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That would be my concrete advice
plush fog
I am using butterfly so I can't
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You have bad rng @plush fog I’m sorry buddy 🙈
plush fog
I fought ||Charon|| and lost all three and figured it would be fine because they are cheaper
rare kindle
Acorn is my default but when I’m out of DDs I wonder if tooth is better
spiral badge
Well ymmv. Will you prioritize your damage or your own skin?
plush fog
but I am in elysium and haven't gotten any more
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I 100% go tooth because you are more likely than not to find a DD in a well in Styx
At that point you’re banking on your best bad choices
And that’s the best of the lot
Athena too
rare kindle
Yeah, obviously it’s better to not lose the DDs in the first place
plush fog
I have a feeling Theseus is gonna kill me
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If I had 1 dd going into Styx I might not take tooth
And still be gambling on getting a 2nd
empty heron
Acorn is only good if you get hit specifically by the final bosses heavy strikes
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But walking into Styx with 0? No sir it’s time for the safe, prudent option to Make Sure We Finish
empty heron
Otherwise regular damage reduction or DDs are better
empty heron
Id even consider bracer
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I take spearpoint as an acorn alternative lots
empty heron
Just for the rest of styx
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I find myself less concerned by dad and more by Styx itself lots of times
And spear point is aces for the kind of damage that is in Styx
Fwiw
plush fog
third well, still no DD
rare kindle
Hope you can pull off the win anyway
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Bad luck cannot last forever
rare kindle
You don’t need DDs if you never get hit
plush fog
avoid getting hit at all costs lol
wide flume
just finished with 30 health and no DDs
plush fog
Sisyphus better come in clutch lol
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He always does
Don’t ever disrespect your boy like that in this channel ever again
Sisyphus is the MVP of the entirety of Hades ❤️
plush fog
AYYY I DID IT
rare kindle
Way to go!
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See what pressure will do for you?!?!
plush fog
aight which keepsake do I take lol
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You just became a better player for that
plush fog
I would be very sad to lose 34% damage
but I feel like I need at least one respawn
okay lucky tooth it is
also ty everyone lol
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Yeah
With no DD’s you are officially in the situation we just described
Your damage or your life, punk
rare kindle
Hope for DDs along the way
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Pray
But you’re officially in the Needs Help territory now
You should 100% Styx if you can
At least pick up one more DD
plush fog
yeah I'm sure ill get one now that I got rid of butterfly
hmm
sack after two corridors but no DD
spiral badge
Health total?
plush fog
no
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How many left?
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Need to have 1 left
By the time you’re ready to fight hades
That health and $ is now important to you
You’re in a death spiral now: you either find a DD and save yourself or you burn Styx out to 100% looking and get yourself as powerful on boons and fat on health as you can in the mean time
No way but forward here.
plush fog
I'm gonna go one more tunnel and hope for the best
and if I still don't have it I'm just gonna go for dad
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5 sack if you have to
Promise
It’ll teach you how to survive
And it’s your odds-on best chance at surviving dad
Of all the bad choices you have right now, that is the best one
Farm that DD
Buy health in wells to bandaid yourself as you need, but keep $200 on hand at all times
plush fog
all 5 chambers done
no dd
lost around 100 health total
no heal
I'm about to show this game who is boss and still clear
safe yew
achilles spear is funnnn
also!! i finally got to talk to bouldy!!! idk if that opens any possibilities or w/e but
safe yew
grats!!
cloud vault
You can give Bouldy Nectar for a small boon
safe yew
oooooh
cloud vault
Eh, Bouldy doesn't actually have a single line of text besides '...'
cloud vault
Achilles is also there for you tho
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Bouldy is the best conversationalist in the game, you just have to listen
jolly niche
Is there an upper limit to how much dodge you can have?
Because I know malphon Zagreus aspect gives you dodge, you get like a max of 1.2% dodge per encounter cleared fast, and there’s the Hermès boon
Heroic gives you 25% iirc
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Not within any practical limit, as I understand it
As in, it’s not uncommon to be able to push your dodge chance over 100% in bursts with the right build
Someone in a different channel was bragging on something insane like a static ~62% dodge chance before your burst options, which is massive
eternal wasp
support fire + zeus shield aspect special is so good
getting out those fires so quickly
blissful jacinth
do offering spawn in correlation with boons you already have ?
for example zeus will spawn more if i got 2 zeus etc
and if i have ~5 different ones the chances are i won't see 4 others unless i use keepsake ?
tame bison
Yeah static dodge chance around 60 isn’t that hard. 15 from zag fists, 20 epic Hermes boon, and then you can easily get 20 from Plume and that’s already 55. Couple other good plume chambers and you’re at 60
Kinda surprising how easy it is to get
tame bison
Guan Yu or Achilles
wicked shore
yeah I've been meaning to ask, what is the proper way to use Guan Yu cause I can't get the killing stuff correctly right
tame bison
The pointy end goes in the bad guy
wicked shore
I just throw spears and occasionally spin but like never been a fan of spear spinning
honestly the health reduction is kind of a deal breaker which is my only issue
guess I gotta upgrade it all the way?
but then I noticed it has better range sooo that must be the trade off
it's like the swiss army knife of aspects for spear
tame bison
It’s not just better range it has better damage. The range is irrelevant. Not even sure it actually has more range?
The two common routes are Serrated Point and dash strike
Or charged skewer and special
The spin is still mostly unusable
Like all the other spins
You can sometimes use it while enemies are spawning and get a few free health
wicked shore
yeah I don't like spinning unless it's like spead up because it can easily be interrupted and it takes too long to wind up
but yeah other aspects like the bow and the sword are pretty great so far
really liking excal
wide flume
What’s a good build for the rail (any aspect)
eternal wasp
starting a lucifer run, any tips?
proven osprey
Zeus on attack, jolted and more zeus in general
this is valid for Eris, Zag rail and Lucifer
Eris wants rocket bombs and cluster bombs, with deadly flourish. Tidal dash deals huge damage since you play at melee range
proven osprey
starting a lucifer run, any tips?
Zeus on attack, Divine dash I'd say for safety. Triple Beam is very good. Be careful, your attack does not destroy projectiles. And also, don't dash strike too much, you'll take a lot of damage because you want to keep the beam up
Athena on lucy bombs is nice, same goes for Artemis, Aphrodite
plush fog
if you had to pick one, what is better for chiron bow, concentrated volley or relentless volley
spiral badge
Zeus shield owns
Concentrated is generally a hair better
But both will do you great
I would say concentrated for damage builds
Relentless for curse builds
plush fog
I am looking at both on my second hmmer
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Whats on special?
plush fog
dio
rare kindle
And I keep walking into trials with the enshrouded curse active and getting confused at the lack of enemies
plush fog
aphro
plush fog
yeah I love this build lol
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See, this is the specific instance where I would go the other way
To make dio application more reliable up to full stack
I would take +4
plush fog
okay ty
plush fog
yeah looking for it
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@rare kindle to truly play zeus shield you have to go all in on zeus bro. Get swole and billowy
plush fog
I was so excited I just opened a aphro boon and a duo popped up but it is art/aphro
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Zeus special, zeus or Poseidon attack, zeus or Poseidon dash
plush fog
ayy and there it is after roll
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And use your shield as either A: a buzzsaw to chase you around the room doing damage while it tries to catch up to you
Or b: a fire and forget AOE strike that will linger when it comes to rest
Have fun @plush fog 😘
You were before probably, but you’re definitely getting 8 stacks of drunk applied now with a single special
Have fun
plush fog
haha ty
gusty dagger
Why does Haelian say in his bow guide to avoid Zeus special with Chiron aspect?
Had some people tell me it's one of the better boons for Chiron aspect the other day
plush fog
there is a cooldown
gusty dagger
Yeah but people claimed the cd is actually short so it is worth building around?
So now im not so sure anymore
plush fog
I like dio on special aphro on attack
gusty dagger
Yeah i brought up dio since it's my fave but people said zeus is better?
Low tolerance duo build
proven osprey
Dio/Arty
plush fog
yeah
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So for chiron
proven osprey
but just go arty or dio
plush fog
and try to get Ares to decrease timer
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I’ve made that claim in the past for zeus
While I’ll say that zeus special on chiron is not optimal, the cooldown timer is still pretty forgiving
fading garden
and try to get Ares to decrease timer
Curse of Nausea is a beautiful boon 😍
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And at low heat zeus special is still perfectly viable for chiron
But yes nausea, doom etc best for chiron of course
Proper stacking boons
plush fog
Curse of Nausea is a beautiful boon 😍
indeed
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Chiron is one of the very very few weapons I could see Ares stacking doom matter a bit
gusty dagger
Im gonan do 32 heat so zeus special out of the question right?
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But not enough to overcome what arty or dio can do probably
fading garden
Ares stacking doom is just a nice thing to have for fast weapons
gusty dagger
Except if im really skilled which im not
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Lol for 32 no way
Arty or dio
I’m talking about kiddie pool heat for zeus on chiron
It’s fun, but not optimal
fading garden
Tbh, you can do anything with 32 heat. It is by means as bad as it sounds
Higher is when it gets debatable
gusty dagger
Yeah, when i asked here previously, someone claimed arty is go to but zeus>dio so i got hella confused
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I bet if you put a poll out it’d still be pretty up there for most of the player base lol
fading garden
... I'm not sure what we are talking about anymore
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But yes it’s the low end of the pool for people that show up around here lol
fading garden
It's definitely fun
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And no @gusty dagger arty and dio and aphro are top tier for chiron
Think you still run into the cooldown but sounds like an lol build
fading garden
Second wave is pure bliss with this build
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Yeah that 🤣🤣
fading garden
Don't let your memes be dreams!
fading garden
Oh it slaps!
Poseidon is just a very strong god once you get his Tier 2 boons
I used to think Typhoon's fury and Breaking Wave were trash. Man have I never been more wrong in my life
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Broseidon is always S-tier if you remember that first, the game is supposed to be fun ❤️
fading garden
All of the gods can do some crazy things.
They are all S tier in my book 😎
wide flume
Im running a lucifer build rn with zeus on attack. What should I use for my special?
empty heron
Posiden has the best duos imo
fading garden
He does have some good ones, that's for sure
fading garden
Ah. Sea storm might be interesting, but I'm not sure how that works with Lucy's special
empty heron
I'vr also run Dio on special and it does decent damage
empty heron
When the thing explodes it does like two stacks of hangover, and does constant stacks if you can't hit it
You usually don't reach max stacks but the extra damage is still good
fading garden
Sounds like something worth trying
fading garden
When the thing explodes it does like two stacks of hangover, and does constant s...
Trying it out and I just got triple bomb in Elysium!
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So hey y'all
Fun lil tidbit im going to C/P from the tech section of the speedrunning 'cord
Here are the chances of rolling a non-Hermes duo / legendary:
12% - Base chance of rolling duo/legendary per offered boon (in non-miniboss / non-styx rooms)
10% - increase from God's Legacy
10% - increase from corresponding god trinket
So for a normal room when you are running God's Legacy on the mirror and already have the pre-reqs, your overall chance of hitting the legendary/duo is:
39% - Chance with no god trinket and core boons not filled
51% - Chance with no god trinket but core boons are filled
54% - Chance with god trinket and core boons not filled
67% - Chance with god trinket and core boons are filled
Had no idea that having a god's trinket equipped interacted with their legendary/duo chances ^^^^^^^^^^
fading garden
Woot woot
plush fog
wow nice job
gusty dagger
Here are the chances of rolling a non-Hermes duo / legendary:
12% - Base chance ...
What do you mean by core boons not filled? If you don't have the requirements, there's a chance you still roll duo/legendary?
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so, i dont fully understand this, but basically duo % grows additively the more "core" or visible-slot boons you fill up
so if you had 2 boons, one of each of say Aphro/Dio you would have X chance at the duo right? As i understand it, if you have 4 boons (again, in primary slots) of aphro/dio your chances become X*2
does that make sense? Duo % stacks the more compatible gods you add into your base slots, like attack special cast dash call
you always must meet the requirements to be eligible for a legendary/duo, that is hard coded
but once you have your chances don't always stay at base % it seems, as you keep stacking more appropriate gods in!
plush fog
is it better to take stygian soul or infernal soul on non-cast builds
fading garden
Probably stygian because you can easily activate the blood abilities without much question
plush fog
lol glad I got two opposite answers
gusty dagger
Mostly preference i must say
fading garden
Both with different reasoning, so take your pick. 😁
I think Infernal is the easiest pick, but stygian really does benefit from boiling blood or abyssal blood
plush fog
yeah I usually go infernal so I think I'm gonna try stygian for a bit and see how it feels
fading garden
It also works nicely with ravenous will
plush fog
ah okay yeah I forgot about that boon
fading garden
Have fun! If you can get +1 cast from chaos, take it! It makes a world of difference
plush fog
I feel like I currently avoid ||demeter|| at all costs, but that's probably not the right idea
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yeah if you're going stygian then you def want chaos or artemis
fading garden
demeter has some tricks up her sleeve.
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stygian is more fragile to get online, but definitely more powerful if you get 2 or 3 casts to your name
fading garden
Also, chill is a really nice effect to have on fast weapons
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Demeter is weird but play around with her
fading garden
She's definitely grown on me
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force yourself to swim around in her boon pool a little and see how she can help you
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Also, chill is a really nice effect to have on fast weapons
Also this. Chill is OP
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dem is great for talos
plush fog
and start playing wih that
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the attack % buff is perfect for her
Dem is tied with Athena for 2nd in highest attack % buff FYI
Behind Aphro because Of Course
so dem attack owns bones for fast weapons
plush fog
@spiral badge I know talos fists is one of your favorites so I want to hear your thoughts on that once I get it
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there can be "stronger" damage options but you cant overstate the survivability and CC that chill is worth
plush fog
I'm 4 blood from max, so I'm gonna wait until then
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try it with 1
Talos is kind of the 1-blood wonder of fists
as much as they have 1
the real magic of talos is the meathook, and you get that off the bat
what you're buying thereafter is % damage increases on the debuff that the meathook applies
and as always, practice Meathook-Cancelling with Talos
This is the Way
fading garden
You can also have a Poseidon special on Talos because memes. :p
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^^^^^^^
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also fun fact for fists but particularly for talos: You can chain your dash upper into your regular upper
which means you get 2 specials in a row if you choose
so you can really make em a yoyo if you want 🤣
back and forth and back and forth
fading garden
It's a fun build for sure
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talos fists are a ball and a half
play around the meathook, and how that buffs your mobility options and your engagement options
you dont need to go charging headlong into a pack of mobs if you can shoot off a blade rift, drag one mob across the room through the blade rift, beat his ass, then teleport behind him and drag him back through the blade rift to start beating his ass again
fading garden
ooo, I like that
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get creative with how Talos lets you dictate the terms of your engagement with your foes
use it to manage their positioning, as well as your own
that's what makes talos shine
And Learn to Meathook Cancel
fading garden
May want to explain that to the class
misty turret
name a worse enemy than Shifter Speeder Flame Wheels
sonic crypt
speeder clone splitters/wizards/any version of mages
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So, talos’ special is actually 2 parts
The GET OVER HERE and the uppercut itself
If you’re quick, you can input an attack, dash or cast between the GET OVER HERE activating and the uppercut coming out
fading garden
speeder clone splitters/wizards/any version of mages
Actually, this one easily takes the cake. It is such a painful thing to experience in a run
plush fog
the bow guys in elysium that snipe your from across the map
fading garden
Those rooms are very messy
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This lets you get some really busted cast combos online like aphrodite, where you pull a foe in from across the room and unload 3 shotgun blasts straight in their face without having to wait on the laggy uppercut
sonic crypt
Those rooms are very messy
I had it in tartarus in a very confined area, I... I hurt
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Practice on skelly
GET OVER HERE and cast before the special activates
It’s a pure timing window
But it is a very powerful tech for talos
fading garden
Oh I know. I also always have Hard Labor 100% on, so those rooms are hell!
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And as a bonus the meathook itself is what applies the debuff
Meaning that you lose nothing for +damage output by cancelling your uppercut (short of the uppercut damage itself)
sonic crypt
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There, from earlier
fading garden
So, talos’ special is actually 2 parts
The GET OVER HERE and the uppercut itself...
So I did some testing with this a while ago and I have noticed some parts of this that aren't exactly true. As far as I can tell, you can only dash (maybe cast) to cancel the uppercut. Attacks were not working at all
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I will confess, I tried straight attacking out of it much
I know cast works, which is how i came across it, i know dash works because i was doing it accidentally long before, and i think dash strike should work because dash does
fading garden
yea, all of those should work, but basic attacks don't cut it
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But you're right, I'm not entirely sure if this cancels into a proper stationary attack. I'll have to pull out my switch and check
fading garden
I've tried, but go ahead and see for yourself
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for sure
wide flume
Anyone have a good spear build any aspect?
plush fog
hidden spear