#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 813

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Doom and Zeus lightning

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work great against thesus

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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and acorn can help there

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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i’m normally fine until i get theseus to half, then he keeps getting ares’ blessing and doom shreds me

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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not as much as it helps with hades though i would argue

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the trick with theseus is to roast his ass the second he calls on the gods

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Especially since the fight is much longer

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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he is defenseless there

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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With doom and zeus lightning you don't need to worry as much for his shield

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those two could help you get used to the fight with them

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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save your single biggest damage spike for when theseus goes enraged

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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i had to actually hit theseus to get doom to stick tho

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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I've taught a few friends to play and generally the first build they win with tends to be Shield + Merciless End. So thats my recommendation.

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Sometimes you can't kill Theseus in that moment though, so just do as much as you can w/o getting hit by the god's attacks

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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yeah shield and ME is insta-broken lol

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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safe yew i had to actually hit theseus to get doom to stick tho

which weapon do you use?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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I generally stan shield irrationally hard for newer players

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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i was using the gun that time

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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usually you can bypass that with a dash strike

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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it's so simple in how it outputs damage

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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hm, yeah, with the gun it isn't as easy to stick doom

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Ya, the defense is nice too

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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i have a soft spot for the bow bc it gave me my first meg win

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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gun is wasted on doom

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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yeah

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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how does swift strike work with the rail? i assume it doesn't make you reload faster or anything?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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unless you're playing lucifer tricks

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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i was using the rocket hammer for it

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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but zeus works great for it

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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rocket S+

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Zeus S+

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Rail was my first ever win. So at least for me, it was a great starter weapon

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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mostly i slapped em w doom and ran away

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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doom works great against thesus with the other weapons

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Its really nice when learning too be able to just block instead of dashing behind a rock in the Hades fight.

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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i might try the shield w zeus aspect

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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shield is my "learn the game" weapon

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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zeus with railgun works great with thesus and pretty much any other enemy

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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i love the shield special so much though

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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spiral badge shield is my "learn the game" weapon

yeah

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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but rail, spear and bow can be played lame to win game and there is absolutely no shame in that for your first clear

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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you can cheese your way through the end of the game with the shield too

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tho

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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so @safe yew if you get the zeus aspect

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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you won't learn that much

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since you'll be nasty

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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i would get one blood in it until you can afford it

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all the way

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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if you pick doom at the special

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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safe yew i might try the shield w zeus aspect

Merciful end works for that too. Get Divine Flourish first, then pick up Curse of Agony.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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and with that one blood, put zeus special on and never look back

coarse moss Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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safe yew i might try the shield w zeus aspect

zeus aspect is one of the best. get used to it and you'll win 😄

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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spiral badge but rail, spear and bow can be played lame to win game and there is absolutely *...

lame to win?

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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i’ll try it next time i die!

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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For the record though, my official stance on low-investment shield aspects is Zag shield 100% all the way

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Zeus aspect is a fun gimmick for one blood

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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also wym lame to win

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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time to give grandma a gift and complete my keepsake collection (for now)

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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but zag shield is a legitimate noob cannon for 5 blood

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it means swallow your pride, run away and plink with doom damage until the boss is dead

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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ohh

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Tip with zeus shield. Don't get too hung up on micro. Just move it back and forth constantly while mashing attack for best dps.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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you will feel like a coward, but guess who's alive and who isnt at the end of the fight

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yes

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Ah. I hit hard and die trying

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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I believe the most lame to win for that case is the shield

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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you will learn the rythm of zeus shield

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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put doom on the special

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get the +4 bounce

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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nooooo no way

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+4 bounce is a noob trap sorry to say

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makes you way too vulnerable

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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kind of but

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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bow, spear and gun are all particularly good candidates for cowardly play

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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hard robin put doom on the special

That's ok with base shield but she's using Zeus anyway.

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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i got the 4+ bounce right out of the halls the first time i used the shield

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Your enemies won't be alive enough to get close to you and hit you

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Doom with dredge flight is fun, but it does make you vulnerable as he says

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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yeah

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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So for beginners it may not be the best option

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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the way to play shield is either defensively with bullrush

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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also I believe there's this other hammer

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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or unga bunga never bullrushing at all like your favorite sword man

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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that makes the shield return faster as you dash

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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i feel like the bow leaves me a little too vulnerable against theseus

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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yes that one is awesome

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pick that one up every time

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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that combined with the +4 is

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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it is the opposite

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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pretty good

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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so heres the thing, not really i feel 😦

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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Shhh... dredge flight is fun. Maybe not the most defensive, but it is fun

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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i always seem to get smacked while i’m charging or i have to dash away mid charge

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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the AI is kind of stupid about getting shield back to you

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and even when its faster, giving it more opportunities to goof just tends to end up being worse

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but you play your way

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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If only they left in that bug where you could use zeus special continuously while holding block and be invincible.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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every run a step on the learning path

coarse moss Jan 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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safe yew i feel like the bow leaves me a little too vulnerable against theseus

with zeus shield, you just let the disc spin on theseus, and you stand in his face but holding your guard up. he cants do anything lol

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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I did have times where the shield would bounce to walls instead of enemies that's a thing

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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yes zeus shield is OP once you learn how to throw at the range where the disc pauses at the end

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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but I didn't have too much trouble with it I must say

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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play the game your way boo, don't let me dictate to you. these are just my thoughts

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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that's true

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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gotta admit i’m also still picking fated choices for boons and hammers at the moment

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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something that is terrible for others might be the best for someone else

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you'll get that feeling if you're ever curious enough too look at tier lists

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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i gifted athena sooo early and i STILL need one more boon from her

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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safe yew gotta admit i’m also still picking fated choices for boons and hammers at the mo...

For sure. Its good to learn what everything does.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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nothing wrong with that @safe yew

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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ok i understand why aspect of eris is so good now
it just wrecks shop huh

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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its a good system, forces you to see what all the hammers do at least once

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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safe yew i gifted athena sooo early and i STILL need one more boon from her

Brilliant riposte I am guessing?

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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mental blaze ok i understand why aspect of eris is so good now it just wrecks shop huh

What shop? All I see is a bunch of burnt wood 😆

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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mental blaze ok i understand why aspect of eris is so good now it just wrecks shop huh

You're playing it post nerf too lol

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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funnily enough, no!

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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@mental blaze eris is nutty specifically because of the kind of damage buff too. it's not just attack or special or cast, it's a global 75% output increase

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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i’m missing proud bearing

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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which means it affects curses like zeus lightning too

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Every kind of damage

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Which one is proud bearimg?

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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oh i have it at level 1 because I Don't Have A Lot Of Titan Blood

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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begin encounter w god gauge partly full

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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fading garden Which one is proud bearimg?

Gives you starting meter

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Ah, that one

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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For your blood i would tell you to try out Zag rail and max it first

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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I thought so, but I didn't want to jinx it

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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It does 90% the work of Eris for 1/3 the blood

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More Dakka

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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but it's not as fuuuuun

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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I'm sorry, did we just suggest there is possibly such a thing as too much Dakka?

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Because there is never enough Dakka

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Ever

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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safe yew begin encounter w god gauge partly full

So what you should do is get a call that you want and then take Athena's keepsake in the next floor

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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spiral badge For your blood i would tell you to try out Zag rail and max it first

Id actually push for Zag Shield or Bow first. They're much stronger and actually get competitive use.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Actually true

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Let me amend that statement

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IMO the first 5 blood you spend in this game should be Zag shield, every single time

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Zag bow with heartrend is nuts

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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zag rail is good, the problem is you need exactly one hanmer

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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That single weapon will carry you with zero braincells for the first 1/3rd of the game

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everything after that is a negotiation

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:37 PM

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what about the aspect of chaos tho

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Zag bow i cannot speak to, but i understand it has its acolytes so i will not dismiss it

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:38 PM

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The thing with rail is its great but probably the hardest base weapon to learn.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Thats why i like zag for rail

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deeper ammo pockets gives you a lot of mental breathing room imo

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when you're learning

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:38 PM

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one thing

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is the damage bonus from the railgun special global?

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using the first aspect

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Like learning to move during reload for instance is something the game doesn't really teach you.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:39 PM

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yeah

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exactly

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I base all my noob picks around forgiveness, not necessarily absolute power

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 9:40 PM

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hard robin is the damage bonus from the railgun special global?

yes it is global

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Zag shield is probably the most plain, forgiving weapon in the game and thats why i like it

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@hard robin now wait, first aspect?

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As in, zag aspect? Or do you mean eris?

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:40 PM

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eris

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Cause all zag gives you is +ammo which is a damage buff unto itself, but eris does actual global +%

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:41 PM

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ty!

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Yes, global. It's why eris is nutty

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your attack/special/cast dont just do more damage, everything does. From Doom to Lightning bolts

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:42 PM

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How does poseidon work for the railgun? I've heard people say he's really good but I never tried it myself

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Base % buffs like that are almost always incredibly powerful because they're so diverse

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Posiedon is an lol choice for the gun

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But he is a very, very lol choice

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:42 PM

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spiral badge your attack/special/cast dont just do more damage, *everything* does. From Doom ...

interesting

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:42 PM

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and if you get lucky enough to pick up some Zeus to go with that you are really living pretty

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:43 PM

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The other noob recommendation I'd give, if available, is hidden sword.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Sea storm and gun is nutty, i need speak no more to that

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Its nice to go full caveperson sometimes.

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cough I mean highly distinguished paladin.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Zag shield is my unga bunga supreme pick but hidden sword really puts you in a whole mood playing this game, I'll give it that all day

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If you really want to Roleplay pull out talos fists, get aphro cast and learn to meathook-cancel

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Boom, you're Doomguy blasting out of hell

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it's great

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:48 PM

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spiral badge If you really want to Roleplay pull out talos fists, get aphro cast and learn to...

why did I never think of that

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bruh

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:48 PM

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If only they added hephaestus or apollo for a fire effect, we could go full Scorpion with Talos

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:48 PM

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bruh, it's seriously my favorite way to play

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that and unga bunga zag shield

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So, the meathook portion of Talos' uppercut can be cancelled into an attack or cast

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So you can give em the GET OVER HERE and with quick timing cancel it into 3 shells of 00-Love to the face

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:49 PM

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the cast with aphro cast

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seems

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really good

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:49 PM

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it's bananas fun

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Super Shotty bro, it needs no introduction

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:49 PM

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60% damage boost too. Not bad

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I'm guessing hermes can make it pretty fun too

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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yeah hermes is icing on top

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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to cancel it do you like, hit the special button again at the right time?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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no

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you have to input an attack, dash or cast

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Flurry shot seems like a borderline required pick up

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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between the meathook activating and the uppercut coming out

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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ahhh i see

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:50 PM

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it's a tight timing window

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but practice on skelly and you'll learn

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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poor skelly

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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cancel it into a cast at first and you'll see

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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no it's fine he likes it

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Honestly i wouldnt call flurry shot required

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because Aphro has so much hitstun you're P. much guarenteed to get all 3 shells off in succession

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but it never ever hurts

mental blaze Jan 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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god, using aspect of eris really feels like no thoughts head empty to make room for more schut

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:52 PM

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how does the hold to cast boon work with that?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:52 PM

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also you can dash-cancel casting too if you really want to speed up the default animation. it helps for pumping out shells as quick as you can

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No real difference with the cast boon

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timing window is the same

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your shotgun is just fully automatic instead of semiautomatic

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so it's better

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:53 PM

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interesting

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Like i said, cherry on top but it won't make or break you

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try dashing around with your semiautomatic cast with Skelly and see how that can improve your fire rate on its own

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does a pretty good job

desert cypress Jan 17, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Zeus is really powerful

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 9:53 PM

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I believe there's a way to increase aphrodites range too

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which is pretty good for hitting multiple enemies

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:54 PM

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yup theres a T2 boon for that

regal garden Jan 17, 2021, 9:54 PM

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yeah

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or just use hera

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 9:54 PM

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again, not really required with this build because of the meathook, but like full-auto, having a choke on your shotgun never hurts

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:05 PM

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So, opinion: they should add Phalanx Shot back to the pre-reqs for Deadly Reversal. This would allow for some cool Phalanx Crit cast builds and wouldn't create the same balance issues as Divine Dash. Thoughts?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:07 PM

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I feel like they treat Athena in this game like they treat my man Ganon in smash. They dare not buff too much of her kit because with the way she works, even the littlest boost could make her bonkers. Law of unintended consequences and such

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Not that I'm against bonkers, especially in single player games, but i can see how they would want to be careful with Athena because of how she might interact at higher difficulty levels

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Ya, but Phalanx shot though? Its barely used.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Tru

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:08 PM

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The forgotten cast

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:08 PM

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I see Phalanx shot and i think "hey, there's the worse version of splash cast"

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So perhaps yes it could use a boost of some kind

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Feels like reflect is a weak af perk for a cast, as narrow as its use condition is

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like, garbo

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 10:09 PM

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I only use it if there's nothing worth picking up

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Phalanx Shot: It Does More Damage Than Base Cast

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Unless you have the shackle 🙈

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

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So it has higher base damage, sticks for exit wounds, and if you can get deadly reversal it's great since it works good with Artemis anyway, but you want DR you need another athena boon.

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

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what's deadly reversal

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forgot

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

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If you deflect you get a temp buff for 20% crit chance.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

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In fairness, i will rebut that argument by saying if you get one athena boon, there's really no reason not to fish for another. Her effects are good all around, so I'd say you're never in err picking up that necessary 2nd boon

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To me the question really is inverted. "I've picked up a nice deflector attack, do i reeeeeeally want to spend my cast on Phalanx Shot?"

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lol

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

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bronze sorrel If you deflect you get a temp buff for 20% crit chance.

oh, that'd be interesting

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

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I mean, it just makes DR alot later though which really hurts the build

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

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would 100% make it a much better cast

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

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I've tried it on Poseidon and Hera which are hypothetically the most compatible with stick casts and it just feels bad unless you get DR and or fully loaded.

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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spiral badge To me the question really is inverted. "I've picked up a nice deflector attack, ...

maybe make the crit chance apply to the cast while it's still out

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or increase the range it has to damage

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Mirage shot can be good too, but that's a whole trip to Poseidon-ville

hard robin Jan 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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the damage from the cast isn't that bad, so both could work

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

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So, let me understand this more fully. Is our complaint that Phalanx shot is not an eligible slot for DR? Or that Phalanx shot does not interact with DR?

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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The former

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It interacts.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Ok

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I figured it did

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Couldn't imagine why it wouldnt

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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DR is 20% blanket crit chance after you deflect.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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See, I'm glad for this discussion, because until now i didn't realize that the crit chance was global. I had it in my head that it buffed artemis' %s only

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Thats what it says on paper at least. I haven't tested it in depth

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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it's global

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very cool with cast weapons

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because your casts get crit

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PP and splitting headache are also global crit

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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So let me sit in the devil's advocate chair: Why isn't at least dash a viable option to get DR online? If DR activation is your beef, is not Athena dash the most powerful boon she has to offer anyway?

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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dash doesnt count as a prereq

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Yeah this game means what it says on the label. They're very specific with their wording, i like that

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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opal lodge it's global

Do you know if it applies too status effects and stuff like lightning too?

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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it should

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Doesn't it? I swear i just looked at that on the codes

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codex*

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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it does not

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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weird

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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yeah

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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hadescodex.com lists it as being there

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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it's outdated

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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I retract my statement then

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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you can try to get it with just dash

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you won't be able to

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it was a specific nerf made when it was removed as a prereq for ME as well

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Yeah if they're restricting Athena to attack or special like they do ME i could see that being tough

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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@desert cypress barely made it out of Elysium

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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designed to stop AAA builds

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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but yeah ^^^^^

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Athena is like Ganon. She's so innately powerful that the littlest advantages you give her can spiral way out of control quickly

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Ya, they nerfed prereqs specifically cause divine dash, but Phalanx shot was unjustly caught in the crossfire

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Defense is just kind of a busted option to have in this game

desert cypress Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 PM

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At least you made it

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Tbh the main thing they need to lower AAA (and sometimes also A) prevalence is buffing demeter and dionysus tbh.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 PM

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demeter being cheeks for special % makes me so sad

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talk about a real crime right there

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 PM

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(sometimes also A is Ares, for ME and Battle Rage)

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:22 PM

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ME is still the most busted duo in the game by a country mile and i will die on that hill

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like what matches the damage output of a fully online ME fists build

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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The thing really shafting demeter imo is bad secondary boons and duos.

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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I can't think of anything close

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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dem t2s are really good

dry ember Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Seastorm Eris

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Demeter's cast not having chill on it out of the box really bums me

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@dry ember Ok, that's fair

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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most of her abilities are just DoT

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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I'd put that alongside

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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which is a problem

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for speedruns

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shes quite good for high heat

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:23 PM

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^^^^

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Also, heartrend Arthur/Nemesis

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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As booty as she is in some aspects, i still love her on things like rail and rama for the CC she provides

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Gimme dat 3k crit

opal lodge Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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killing freeze is so so good

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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yessssss

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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y’all im about to fight the styx boss again!!!

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i got the demeter duo that heals you if you have no death defiance’s

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Huzzah!

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Demeter builds momentum quite well

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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which is good bc i used all of them on THESEUS

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I guess you could say she, snowballs 😘

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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i have a bunch of nice demeter cast stuff

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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yes @safe yew that is a great duo to have!

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Final fight time! Fingers crossed! This move challenge is so tough!

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:25 PM

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if you are truly in danger run away!

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You will win if you play this right!

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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i sat in one styx chamber w a split and rats in the other side and just chilled out until my health was full

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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spiral badge You will win if you play this right!

I've never played like this before though. It's so weird!

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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as long as you dont have a clock be a coward and run away all you need to!!!

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Play Lame Win Game takes humbling of the soul

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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all 200hp i have lol

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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But as the grand master says, a W is a W

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Ok so like I'm not saying killing freeze, arctic blast and winters harvest are bad, but alot of demeters other secondaries suck or have limited as hell usage.

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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gonna drop my cast crystal and run awaaaay

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and spam my deflecting special

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Do it! Frustrate your father! Hide behind the pillars!

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Play Lame! Win! Game!

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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And she has no duos that are jaw dropping and some are just kinda bad.

safe yew Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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but in the morning, bc now it is bed time

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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yeah dem could use some work overall

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I feel like she's the hardest god to "shoehorn" into a run

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like most of the things she wants to do really want t2 boons behind them

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she does have some excellent 1-boon wonders but you're betting on RNG for rare crop or her health boost at that point

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chill cast is always appreciated though

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I will say her +chill on cast is always welcome

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 PM

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@desert cypress I did it! With 12 health left and no stubborn defiance!!

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Like if you ask someone to name a good demeter duo, its usually cold fusion (more related to Zeus kit), ice wine (inferior to scint feast) or crystal clarity (making her bad cast useable).

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:30 PM

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honestly if you end up getting heavy in her cast the arty duo can get nuts

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I've had stygian soul runs that turned out that way with 5 casts and hades just melted

fading garden Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

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If anyone doesn't understand what happened, we were doing a challenge where the only way we were allowed to move was with the Achilles spear

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

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and her Athena duo is good for lil scrubberducks and for really high heat

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but beyond that yeah, she feels like she take so much setting up before shes where she needs to be

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

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spiral badge and her Athena duo is good for lil scrubberducks and for really high heat

Basically only good for stubborn defiance though

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:32 PM

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whereas you can just YOLO a dio cast once and never touch him again and still have a hand full of aces as far as different build and duo options

bronze sorrel Jan 17, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Don't get me wrong I've had some fun runs with lazer cast and ice wine, but they don't have the strength to justify how incredibly bad cold embrace and freezing vortex are. Blizzard shot is ok but I find it really inconsistent. It needs some QOL work.

turbid needle Jan 17, 2021, 10:47 PM

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So I just went with chaos shield and zeus special+jolt. Felt like spamming the special gave more DPS and faster damage than shield charge+special

eternal wasp Jan 17, 2021, 10:48 PM

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blizzard shot shouldnt pierce imo because it ends up in weird hard to reach places

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:50 PM

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If you struggle with chaos @turbid needle come join the cult of zag shield. We too hate interrupting our mobility to be bullrushing constantly, and we too acknowledge that the regular shield throw is pretty darn good without needing 5 of them.

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Come to the Unga Bunga side

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Blizzard shot is the biggest letdown of a duo in the game imo

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It sounds like it should be great on paper but then you start using it and waiting for something to happen, and it just never really does

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Or @turbid needle if you really want to play around the shield special throw try Zeus aspect out. It needs upgrading to truly be great, but take 1 blood of it and put Zeus special on it. You’ll see what I’m talking about.

turbid needle Jan 17, 2021, 10:56 PM

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spiral badge Or <@456226577798135808> if you really want to play around the shield special th...

So what is this about? Land it and attack, then recall and repeat?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Have you ever seen Wild Wild West by chance?

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If not, go look up the Buzzsaw scene

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That's how you play Zeus shield

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https://youtu.be/HvIGrLYKRh8

Zeus_shield.mp4

YouTube

Movieclips

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Wild Wild West movie clips: http://j.mp/1zUZ1jv
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CLIP DESCRIPTION:
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FILM DESCRIPTION:
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▶ Play video

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That with zeus on special

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So zeus shield has two fundamental techniques you need to learn to git gud with it. Both are essential but technique A is easier to actively learn, technique B you sort of just have to burn into muscle memory over time.

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So, technique A: Buzzsaw Dancing. Throw your shield out and recall it. Notice how if you try, you can outrun your shield pretty easily and never let it catch up to you? That’s it, that’s the technique. Just like in Wild Wild West, Buzzsaw Dancing involves running around the room with your destructo disk always chasing you, but never catching you. This keeps an excellent, constant damage source on a predictable arc following you while you lay down the law with your A button.

Also just like in the movie, perhaps the most important thing to learn with Dancing is dashing through your shield to get it to turn around quickly without catching you. Make like Will Smith and keep that buzzsaw from ever catching up to you, and you will output tremendous damage all over a room

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Technique B: I don’t really keep a name for this, but basically this technique involves learning the exact distance that the shield special travels without being recalled. This is muscle memory, and it’s hard to actively train it, but when you git gud enough to know exactly where your shield will come to rest and hover from a distance, you can create area-denial areas of high damage that are excellent on, say, bosses, butterfly balls and generally stationary opponents

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Technique B also leads beautifully into technique A by hovering your shield over a spawn point when enemies are porting in, and then recalling it to start your Dance across the room

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Aaaaaaand that’s really Zeus shield in a nutshell. Anyone else feel free to add whatever I might have missed.

blissful jacinth Jan 17, 2021, 11:24 PM

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reflected explosives don't deal dmg to me, correct ?

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and how do spreaders work ? the initial ball is reflected and doesn't deal dmg but what about the small bits ?

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 11:27 PM

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If a projectile doesn’t say “reflected” it can hurt you, period

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And yes, reflected does exactly what it says on the label and swaps the friend/foe labels on whatever it encounters

desert cypress Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Or if it says resisted

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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true or blocked with the shield perhaps ^^^

desert cypress Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Yeah

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Point being the large splitter balls are still dangerous after they split once

blissful jacinth Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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nope

desert cypress Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Yeah

blissful jacinth Jan 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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idk just tested it

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didn't get hit after it splashed

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nor did i have an ability to hit them

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 11:29 PM

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You reflected all of them at once

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It happens

desert cypress Jan 17, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Although reflecting the splitter balls is fun

spiral badge Jan 17, 2021, 11:29 PM

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If you have a reflect attack

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Like fists or shield or spear with a nice wide sweeping dash attack

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You will usually reflect most or all of them in one go

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But dont let that trick you into thinking that’s the case universally

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It distinctly is not

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if you were on the gun, say, you wouldn’t reflect all the projectiles from the large shot on impact because of your much smaller hitbox, and when it burst you would still need to contend with the smaller ones

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 12:38 AM

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only got one more hidden to clear with

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now

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beowulf

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probably gonna do it once ive uh

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got it to level 2

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not that i really needthe ambrosia for many more bonds

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only have 3 left to forge

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chaos hermes and nyx

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Beowulf is probably easier than Guan Yu

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Think I managed to clear my first beo run, actually.

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 1:22 AM

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yeah probably

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you don't have half of your max health

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the spin blade did less damage than i expected

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as in uh

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healed lwss

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but still worked and i was attacking things mostly things from a range

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with my incredibly buffed special

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 1:26 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/NqEZAFz.png

Imgur

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man

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tough choice

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using hera bow,splitting headache would be good, but heres a question

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i have hangover on attacks

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does the attack hit first

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then cast?

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exit wounds too

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yells

dry ember Jan 18, 2021, 1:29 AM

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pickdeadly strike so your attack would do damage

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 1:29 AM

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yeah thats probably te smartest choice

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try and pikc up exit wounds later

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https://i.imgur.com/QHr0eVo.png

Imgur

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PogU

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hmm

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might be a mirage shot kinda build

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greater recall get gachiBASS

hot crane Jan 18, 2021, 1:48 AM

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PSA: Deflect attack with Lucifer does not give you a deflecting laser beam, it only makes the muzzle flash deflect

proud plover Jan 18, 2021, 1:59 AM

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What's a good build/weapon with Poseidon boons?

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:15 AM

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How do y'all actually do things with fists?

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Seems near impossible to hit things without getting hit back.

dry ember Jan 18, 2021, 2:17 AM

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use your dash strike to reset your combo

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so you can perma stun enemies

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be careful with armored enemies of course

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:18 AM

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And I can't hit every enemy on screen at once

dry ember Jan 18, 2021, 2:18 AM

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so like attack x 4 > dash strike > attack x4 etc

dry ember Jan 18, 2021, 2:18 AM

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wide light And I can't hit every enemy on screen at once

be nimble, not like you are animation locked on fist

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with how fast things come out

unkempt pagoda Jan 18, 2021, 2:19 AM

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dash striking removes your dash's i-frames as well, and it's incredibly easy to dash strike with fists

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:19 AM

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Oh

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That's dumb

unkempt pagoda Jan 18, 2021, 2:19 AM

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gotta know when to dash and when to dash-strike

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:20 AM

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I think I want to beat hades with them once, for the 10 blood, and make it to the surface with hidden, and then never touch them.

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Oh, ig I need the daedelus thing too.

granite lava Jan 18, 2021, 2:42 AM

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just use codex menu? that's what it's made for

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 2:42 AM

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hot crane PSA: Deflect attack with Lucifer does not give you a deflecting laser beam, it o...

what's the muzzle flash

turbid needle Jan 18, 2021, 2:43 AM

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The little bit of light right around where the laser comes out of the gun.

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Mouth?

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Oh, wait, no the eyes.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:46 AM

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@wide light best single piece of advice for fists was already given by Muhammad Ali. Float like Butterfly, Sting like Bee

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Fists true weapon are their mobility

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You should never stay in one place for the length of even a whole attack combo

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Wonderful.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:46 AM

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Power is not your strength with these weapons

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:47 AM

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I'm the type of person who enjoys sitting in a corner with stubborn roots and a shield.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:47 AM

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What you can do with the mobility and high ROF is what makes them special

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Oof

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Yeah I’m sorry fists might not be for you

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:47 AM

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Which is how I beat charon first time, actually.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:48 AM

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You really have to pretend your’re Goku throwing lightning fast punches and instant-transmissioning all over the place to get fists right for the most part

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Float like Butterfly, Sting like Bee

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So yeah, might take some adjusting for you if you want to do well with them

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Well perhaps I was onto the right thing with what I call a "space management" build, then.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Nothing wrong with area denial

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Dem special, Poseidon dash, ares cast

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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For shield?

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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On talos

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Hmmmmmmm

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I love all of those but dem special

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Understand if that’s what you rolled into though, it’s still a curse after all

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Well, keeps em slow, in combination with freezing vortex and winter harvest.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Ares cast is A+ with Talos. Learn to drag them back into the blades if you haven’t already 👍🏻

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Now lets be specific, this is demeter on special correct?

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Yes, I know just how bad that sounds.

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Yes

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Oof

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You do you boo

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There’s just more effective things to do with that button

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And with demeter

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She’s fantastic on attack for instance!

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High % increase, and you can stack Chill to meaningful levels much much more quickly

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Chill sort of wants a fast attack in general

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Eh, the issue is I'm simultaneously trying to get hiddens for rail and fists

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Zeus + dem is kinda hard to work out imo

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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oh well if you’re farming go get your paper man

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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So attack is already zeus

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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No no zeus and dem are beautiful

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Just farm for superconductor or whatever their duo is named lol

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You’ve got enough of a build around dem there that you’re going to be fine

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And that duo will only amplify your zeus, which is right where you need him

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Fun fact: for Talos you can hit the special button twice while doing your dash special

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And your dash special will cancel into your standing one

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Effectively giving you a double-uppercut available

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In case you haven’t stumbled on that yet

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For fists in general I guess, but I find that very handy for Talos particularly

hot crane Jan 18, 2021, 2:55 AM

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turbid needle The little bit of light right around where the laser comes out of the gun.

yeah that's right

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 3:09 AM

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If I get bad news, and have ares cast, is that just +50% cast dmg?

rare kindle Jan 18, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Yep

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Yep

rare kindle Jan 18, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Same goes for all non sticky casts

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 3:11 AM

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bad news is really good for any casts that dont stick

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demeter, ares, dio

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 3:11 AM

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I've just accepted I'm a cast build at this point

empty heron Jan 18, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Like Trippy Shot ❤❤

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 3:12 AM

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If you can't use fists, then use other things while having fists equipped.

empty heron Jan 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Fists just require different strategies than most other weapons because they're so short range

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I hear special spam is what most people do

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Or just... avoiding the problem entirely

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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just have to use dash to back away more than engage

wide light Jan 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Yes, I do that in normal gameplay. I need to get used to attacking then running away, rather than running away and then attacking.

turbid needle Jan 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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hold attack and dash every 5 hits

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 3:23 AM

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@wide light The real secret is generally in dashing through a foe and getting behind them, rather than straight retreating 🤫

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Then rinse-repeating endlessly

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As cornball as it is think about how Goku would fight someone. Quickly, from all sides. That’s fists.

turbid needle Jan 18, 2021, 3:24 AM

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ORAORAORA

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 3:25 AM

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^^^^^

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 3:30 AM

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DIOBurr jojoburr

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yeah fists are backstab MONSTERS

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therye really good with stacking effects too

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like chill/hangover

dry ember Jan 18, 2021, 3:32 AM

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empty heron I hear special spam is what most people do

Nah you don't spam special on fist. There is a weird dash strike upper playstyle but that's nowhere near mainstream.

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 3:34 AM

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you weave specials into your attack combo

junior tinsel Jan 18, 2021, 3:34 AM

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fists are probably my weakest weap

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i just die using it lol

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but ive been managing to get good with it

hard robin Jan 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Just play the fists like if you were a jojo character and you'll be good

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 3:40 AM

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so i need hidden fists, hidden shield, and hidden gun runs for my last three prophecies
i have them all at level 1
are they good at level 1 or should i wait and put more blood into them?

eternal wasp Jan 18, 2021, 3:40 AM

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ah yes, summon a spirit and have them mash bosses for me

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theyre still good at level one, definitely able to reach the surface

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 3:45 AM

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hard robin Just play the fists like if you were a jojo character and you'll be good

Absolutely Correct. Muda Muda your way to victory.

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I would say spear is the weakest of those 3 at L1

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Then prolly Aaaaaaaaarthur?

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At least Gilga’s Maim +% is online from blood 1, the doom-with-more-steps damage just increases which is nice but not defining

rare kindle Jan 18, 2021, 3:47 AM

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You just need to reach the final boss, not win necessarily

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Oh for sure

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I’m just spitballin

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You should be fine. Again GY is the only one that may give you trouble at L1. 70%?? off your health pool is ouch

upbeat panther Jan 18, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Dark Regeneration> Cthonic Vitality?

coral cave Jan 18, 2021, 3:49 AM

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yes

upbeat panther Jan 18, 2021, 3:49 AM

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I always felt like its beter

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yeah I thought so, it just feels nicer to use

eternal wasp Jan 18, 2021, 3:50 AM

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dark regeneration is so good

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troves, sisy, and boss darkness pickups all count

upbeat panther Jan 18, 2021, 3:53 AM

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I know, just didn't know if there was some
weird reason to take Cthonic Vitality even though it heavily lacks in comparison.
It would be good if it was like 10HP gained per room instead of 3

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 3:58 AM

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i wish i could post images but i cant so i'll just ask what does dark foresight (mirror upgrade) do exactly? the wording confuses me

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 3:59 AM

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Pros of Dark Regen: Great healing after bosses
Cons: No healing at all in styx before the Hades

Pros of Cthonic: Consistent healing and shines in Styx
Cons: Small itty bitty healing

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Dark Foresight increases the chance of Boons, Hammers, Obol and Poms rewards

rare kindle Jan 18, 2021, 4:04 AM

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Gold laurel rooms are in run benefits like boons, obols, centaur hearts, and poms

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Blue laurel rooms are permanent resources like darkness and gems

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Dark foresight is really good and will increase the chance of seeing a gold laurel room in the first three biomes by 20% each, which is better than it sounds

solid cairn Jan 18, 2021, 4:08 AM

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rare kindle Dark foresight is really good and will increase the chance of seeing a gold laur...

Yeah it’s basically necessary

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I believe it used to be just 10% before 1.0

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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think i'm gonna try a beowulf run
what's a good basic build for it?

mild raft Jan 18, 2021, 4:31 AM

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How long does the reflect from Holy Shield last for?

latent frigate Jan 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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i just got a +30% attack speed boon from hermes does that work with lucifer aspect?

turbid needle Jan 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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Yup.

latent frigate Jan 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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pog

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:36 AM

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ornate prawn think i'm gonna try a beowulf run what's a good basic build for it?

Get the Dio Cast, then get Scintillating Feast

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:37 AM

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where do you want zeus?

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Aid usually

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:37 AM

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makes sense

mild raft Jan 18, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Well it depends on the weapon

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Fast weapons like rail and fists can use Zeus attack pretty well

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:38 AM

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thinking

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:38 AM

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we're specifically discussing Beowul Unova

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:38 AM

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could i also get dem attack into ice wine with that?

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Yeppppp

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that's my next suggestion

mild raft Jan 18, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Oh then probably just Cast

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not cast

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my b

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Call

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:38 AM

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yeah

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think i'll go try that now

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Also if Poseidon and Artemis show up instead, getting Mirage Shot will up your damage significantly

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:40 AM

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actually wait

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one more thing before i go

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infernal or stygian cast?

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@vale imp

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:45 AM

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oh

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STygian is great if you can get Chaos to give you extra casts

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Infernal gives you a lot of power up front

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but is slower than Stygian

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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i mean
3 second refresh vs however long festive fog persists

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bit of a no-brainer

opal lodge Jan 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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ice wine stinky on dio beo

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delays your casts

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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but

opal lodge Jan 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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just go for scint feast mirage

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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big number

opal lodge Jan 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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ok

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you can reach big numbor anyway with mirage

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and scint feast does more in elysium cleaning up eyes

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but this is from my perspective as a beo speedrunner

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ice wine is probably fine if you just shoot for pure big number PBs

vale imp Jan 18, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Bright is right though, Scint is more important overall

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and Mirage shot is more damage overall, just harder to roll into

fickle totem Jan 18, 2021, 4:51 AM

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i am thinking of somehow cheating a 32 heat run by trying to hoard all dodge chance items. any tips for what conditions i should put? obviously i don't want too much health or bubbles on my opponents as i need to kill them quickly for the plume

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 4:54 AM

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holy crap i just had an insanely quick hades fight

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less than 35 seconds

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phase 2*

honest wing Jan 18, 2021, 4:54 AM

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quick question so if you use zeus special on chiron bow the lightning only triggers once but if you have poseidon special with sea storm does it trigger multiple times?

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 4:55 AM

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ok

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how do i not hate blitz shield

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zeus shield rather

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bc its real hard not to

honest wing Jan 18, 2021, 4:56 AM

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I did at first too

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but it's kinda decent with zeus special

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I did a run of that recently and it worked

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but it's kinda difficult to maneuver and kinda slow

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:02 AM

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@oak raptor look my responses up in this channel, I actually covered that a bit earlier today

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Zeus shield rocks but it takes understanding what kind of damage it’s good at outputting

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And a little practice maneuvering it

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@honest wing so the thing with chiron zeus

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Chiron actually outpaces how fast zeus is permitted to strike in the game

honest wing Jan 18, 2021, 5:05 AM

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yea it's like 0.2 or 5 times per second right

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:05 AM

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And someone more enlightened than can speak but I dont think sea storm bypasses it

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Yes something like that

honest wing Jan 18, 2021, 5:06 AM

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I see

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:06 AM

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That said I am still of the opinion that Zeus wreks on chiron

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And that you shouldn’t pay attention to that little fact until deep in the heat system when it matters much more

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Put your blinders on to that little technicality and Zeus still synergizes wonderfully with Chiron IMO

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Zeus legendary on Chiron is an lol and a half. It would still be better suited technically to say, fists or gun, but don’t despair if you turn up an epic thunderbolt special while you’re auto-bowing

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:10 AM

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i can "borrow" from charon (its definitely stealing)

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is charon a spelunky shopkeeper as in, does he kick my ass if i steal from him

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:11 AM

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you will have to fight

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:11 AM

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@oak raptor and to cap off that zeus write up my boon recs for Zeus are Zeus and More Zeus. Like, take Fated Authority to get more Zeus, Zeus. Trust me, it works. Especially good on the special throw for zeus aspect

oak raptor Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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zeus boons for the zeus shield

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rooHmm

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makes sense

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Bro

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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i aint going to steal from charon hes a good lad

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Get Zeus’d up

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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nah steal it you get an achievement

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Stick that lightning in your buttcheek and get billowy and huge

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Trust, bro

junior tinsel Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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tender dome is charon a spelunky shopkeeper as in, does he kick my ass if i steal from him

hes really strong. i had a very good run but it was my first time seeing it so wanted to try it out and then died lmao

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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wait what region are you in

crimson trail Jan 18, 2021, 5:12 AM

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tender dome is charon a spelunky shopkeeper as in, does he kick my ass if i steal from him

I found him pretty easy, particularly with shield, and you can dodge through his attacks

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:13 AM

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because if you're in tartarus and you fight him your run has probably ended

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:13 AM

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spiral badge <@83019758743588864> and to cap off that zeus write up my boon recs for Zeus are...

Hmmm, do you like Zeus? Not sure I am getting that vibe 🤔

crimson trail Jan 18, 2021, 5:13 AM

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But I know a lot of folks say it's hard. Prolly depends on when you fight him

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Bro zeus on zeus is the most action movie thing in this game

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It’s glorious

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:13 AM

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I see you've changed your username Chloe.

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It does sound spicy

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:13 AM

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i got zeus legendary when my main attack had a zeus boon, it was glorious

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it literally shredded through hades

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:14 AM

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So @tender dome this is the duality of Charon. On one hand he is a boss fight that is probably harder than Hades himself. On the other hand, if you win that fight, even if it costs you all your DD’s, it’s worth it. The gold and % off at shops cannot be overstated in value

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Zeus legendary is solid

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Every price short of death is worth paying for a Charon W in a run, balance that in your head as you will

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Unless it’s maybe in Elysium and you’re already rich? But even then you’ll steamroll him likely

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:15 AM

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So here's my thoughts about the charon fight. He is not at all harder than Hades. He may be a wee bit harder than Asterius and Thesius. However, he does huge damage on hit, he can easily make you lose DD's.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:15 AM

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Yeah Charon will end your run in a split second

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:16 AM

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But I would not call him 'harder'

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His moves are pretty predictable

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Perhaps I’m wrong in calling him “harder”, but I do feel like he can end you quicker, pound for pound

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:16 AM

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That I can agree too

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Mistakes you make against Charon are probably some of the costliest in the game

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But again, if you get that W, any price is worth it short of death generally

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:17 AM

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That's why you don't make mistakes in a Charon fight smarthead

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:17 AM

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whats the % off you get if you kill the spelunky shopkeeper

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:17 AM

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20%

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Plus 300 gold off the top

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Yea, it's pretty decent

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:17 AM

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And thats at shops and wells

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So now the DD’s you just lost are cheaper too

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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also im really not a fan of the guan yu aspect

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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Dont blame you

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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yeah my spear is cool at hell but it just

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i dont like it

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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GY takes Gitting Gud, and even then it’s divisive among the advanced community

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Achilles is the much more conventional choice

pastel elk Jan 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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is achilles or hades spear better

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Achilles often feels like an easy win, same as Eris

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Achilles generally

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Achilles is the top tier spear

honest wing Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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what is a good achilles spear build

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I usually struggle with spear

crimson trail Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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I kinda liked Achilles but Hades spear has been better for me I think?

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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good for you then!

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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honest wing what is a good achilles spear build

Play an attack or cast boon. Viola, that is your build 😆

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Nothing wrong with hades spear

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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also for unlocking the lucifer aspect for the exagryph, do i need to have 5 titan blood spent on ONE aspect of the exagryph or do i need to have 5 titan blood spent in total

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Achilles just offers +mobility on top of its damage boosts

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Which is a big deal in a roguelike

crimson trail Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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tender dome also for unlocking the lucifer aspect for the exagryph, do i need to have 5 tita...

I think five total

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:19 AM

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The damage boost is also huge

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150% is big

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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^^^^^^

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I was being gentle

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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i think i'm just ogign to suicide in asphodel to go back

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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I do that sometimes

pastel elk Jan 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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dont u get bonus damage for longer with hades spear tho

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Sometimes ya just have dead runs

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:20 AM

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No, not really

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Hades spear “lasts” longer but you can reapply Achilles buff in a flash

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Whereas you always have to charge a spin, even with quick spin

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So net effect is, you can keep more uptime more consistently with Achilles

crimson trail Jan 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Hmm might have to give that another go

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Also, the spin attack has a steeper learning curve, so it can be more difficult for newer players than the Achilles spear.

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Again though, I’m not here to hate on Hades spear. Those are just the mechanics

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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i really wish there was a way to end a run without killing yourself

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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........

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Simple: kill yourself faster

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Start - give up?

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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yes give up exists

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but it makes you lose your progress

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Ok, fair

pastel elk Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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well what else would he do

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walk all the way back

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I'm sure Zag could use the exercise

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:23 AM

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achilles spear talk? shadesmile best spear aspect

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:23 AM

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I would discourage you from doing that in general FWIW Learning to drive rustbucket pile of crap builds across the finish line is part of learning adaptability as a player! Never give up! Trust your instincts!

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Any run can be recovered below heats discussed in a chat above this one!

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:24 AM

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a run i basically complained about the entire time i was doing it was my fastest for a while

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it was like 16:10 spear with GY

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:24 AM

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spiral badge I would discourage you from doing that in general FWIW Learning to drive rustbuc...

For me personally, I give up when I am the one playong sloppy. It isn't too difficult to make a build work

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:24 AM

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is it bad for me to give dusa honey everytime i visit her

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:24 AM

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almost always you should have some control over your build

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Hell no, give her that honey 😉

crimson trail Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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I'll have to revisit Achilles spear, with Hades I feel rooms just melt but achilles felt wonky

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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But also seriously @tender dome

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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and also gods synergize with themselves a lot e.g. zeus lightning effects, dio hangover/fog, arty crits/marked

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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update:
did the beo, died to final boss

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Do make sure you give nectar to Sisyphus every time you see him

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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but i fulfilled the prophecy so ty all

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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spiral badge Do make sure you give nectar to Sisyphus every time you see him

alright

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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He should be the first one you get to max if you can help it

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Sisyphus companion OP for newer players

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OP for first 1/2 of the game difficulty

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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got this finally... just maxed out literally every other aspect than zeus before unlocking zeus kek https://i.imgur.com/HW0mY09.png

Imgur

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:26 AM

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epic

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Niiiiiice

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:26 AM

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i got that one with beowulf

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Good job!

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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now only things im really missing for 100% (in terms of functional* gameplay elements only) is some mirror upgrades and maxing zeus aspect

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Progress!

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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You will not regret maxing Zeus

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Get Swole Bro

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Mirror upgrades take a while because of the Fated abilities

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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yeah

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im at

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level 5?i wanna say for authority

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and 3 for persuasion

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Fwiw you can bandaid mirror a lot by resetting it and pouring all darkness into only the perks you need

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I've been playing for forever and a day and I finally have just one more upgrade to do for Fated Authority.

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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but i jusr dropped 3k darkness on the chaos favour so lol

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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im only missing the bottom 6 g/g/g/p/p/g

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Unless you’re already there you likely have a lot of darkness lying around invested in trash perks for you right now

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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so like 15k darkness kek

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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The bottom is where it gets pricy

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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i don't have high confidence or golden touch maxed but that's because i don't use them

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at all

pastel elk Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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after unlocking all the mirror perks do keys have any use besides reset

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Exactly, reset your mirror and drain those

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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uh

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Pour into useful perks for now

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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outside of cosmetics or trading

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not really?

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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i already have the half that i really want done + stubborn def https://i.imgur.com/JCpM92U.png

Imgur

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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spiral badge Exactly, reset your mirror and drain those

Do we get our darkness back if we do that?

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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pastel elk after unlocking all the mirror perks do keys have any use besides reset

there's a cosmetic and you can trade up to more useful stuff

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like nectar and diamonds

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Yes!

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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do daedalus upgrades count as boons for the sake of sisyphus' keepsakes

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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You do!

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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plus

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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im saving up 200 keys for

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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keys give rerolls with the contractor perk

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Refunds all darkness! So you can reset your mirror

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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the cthonic theme

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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tender dome do daedalus upgrades count as boons for the sake of sisyphus' keepsakes

no

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Oh phew!

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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i bought a ton of cthonic keys for the theme

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lmao

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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yeah im also saving up gems though

tender dome Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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ornate prawn no

ah sick thanks

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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I actually reset my mirror, bought the gajillion darkness theme and worked my way back up partially from there lol

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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about to get the boatmans treasure

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:29 AM

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I quite like the lovely theme

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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how many darkness is it?

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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rn im doing bounties and saving gems for the 3k gem fountain

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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50k?

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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i have the infernal one so far

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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One billion gajillion

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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only because i uh

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had like 15 diamonds

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ans i wasn't gonna spend that all on music yet

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I dont remember but it took me a good while to make the dent up lol

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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and it looks nice

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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me want https://i.imgur.com/yYGy3JA.png

Imgur

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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its 25k i think

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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ah nice

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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i've bought all the music except for the first page

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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oooh 3k i should get the fountains

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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that'd wipe out everything i don't actually use in the mirror

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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so only like 7-8 runs

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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BUYING MUSIC DOES NOT MAKE YOUR MUSIC TRAINING GO FASTER

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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yeah ive been

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buying a few songs as i go

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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DON’T BE LIKE ME AND FIND THAT OUT THE HARD WAY

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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got my fav orpheus hits

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and eurydice hits

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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lol the lyre practice is quite literally lyre practice

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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and some cheaper ones

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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I mean I can’t say I regret

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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misty turret me want https://i.imgur.com/yYGy3JA.png

Make sure you get the infernal troves upgraded to the max. It will help a lot

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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yeah it's good practice

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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you sit there and play it until you get good, like a real instrument

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Orpheus slaps

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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you just gotta spam the lyre every time you're in yourr oom

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and then talk to orpheus

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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i have all the work orders except themes done lmao

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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and then spam the lyre some more

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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You really, really just do

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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i have like 110 runs under my belt already

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Fantastic!

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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and i've been playing for uhh

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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I think more unlock as you go pajama day?

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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like 3 weeks?

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Are you out of content?

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Story?

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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i'm working on rounding out decorations myself
charon loot, nyx painting, other columns, random stuff like that

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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i think i could probably afford the

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sonorous theme at this point

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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not done with epilogue yet bc im dumb and forget to give nectar to gods

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Cause I’m around 200 now and I’m juuuuust touching the last ones of mine off

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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but maxing bonds rn

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Story starts to run dry around the 100 run mark. But it does happen on occassion

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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its 10 ambrosia and i have nearly 20 and only 3 bonds to forge and all the companions maxed

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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And I’ve farmed pretty consistently

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FWIW

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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obviously i need some for trading for titan blood but

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:32 AM

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I think more might keep unlocking for you 🙂

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Maybe

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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i kinda want the theme and i still have most of rhe heats to get through

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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bonds https://i.imgur.com/SCIRbnD.png contractor https://i.imgur.com/J6SIJWi.png

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ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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daaaaaaaaaang

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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yeah i only need

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nyx chaos hermes bonds

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got demeters last run

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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still working on keepsakes myself

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but yours are all three star which is insane

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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ans i just dropped rhe darkness on the sigil

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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yeah i maxed out my keepsakes when doing bounties

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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Max Patroclus Last

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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and i should have the hermes favour next plume run if im lucky

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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bc bounties are easy so shruggu

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:33 AM

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Booooo Patroclus

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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patroclus is a good guy wtf

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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no patroclus is fine

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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I have a grudge against Patroclus

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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y tho

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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i can't figure out where to use meg or dusa keepsakes really

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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i still need ro level up my keepsakes though

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alot of them

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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the rest actually have situations

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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meg keepsake is great for high heat

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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He acted irresponsibly in the Trojan war and is a total sulk about Achilles working with the Lord of the Dead

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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i think dusa keepsakes is more broad than meg

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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bc stubborn def means its always active lmaoooo

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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Patroclus a punk

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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Keepsakes take a looong time to max out

ornate prawn Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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so that'd be a LC4/SD/meg keepsake run?

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:34 AM

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angry sword man no one wants to hear your patroclus rant

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:35 AM

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god god acorn acorn can be better if you're actually good at game

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:35 AM

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take it to another channel if you have to

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:35 AM

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but i am not

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Max him last

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So there

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His keepsake pretty good tho

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:36 AM

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worst keepsake imo is orpheus but that's me

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Yeah probably that one

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That or Good Boi’s sadly

misty turret Jan 18, 2021, 5:36 AM

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spiked collar good for early on

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Try

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Tru*

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Kind of becomes outdated once you get skelly tooth though I feel 😕

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:37 AM

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i mean

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Poor good boi

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He just wants love

regal garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:37 AM

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i think orpheus is fine its just only good on two weapons and within a certain distance

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Maybe op on chiron?

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Well, distant memory also works with casts

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Ghezunteit

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:38 AM

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So it can increase cast damage

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:38 AM

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Good point

fading garden Jan 18, 2021, 5:39 AM

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But even then, most builds (even bow) tend to be pretty up close and personal. So 'distance' effects aren't amazingly relevant.

junior tinsel Jan 18, 2021, 5:42 AM

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i was using achilles spear yesterday and just wanted to focus on the throw but got lucky

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used aphro attack

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:43 AM

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By discovering the other buttons on the controller? 🤣

junior tinsel Jan 18, 2021, 5:43 AM

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and got hammer with the hold to attack and no spin

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:43 AM

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I kid 😘

junior tinsel Jan 18, 2021, 5:43 AM

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and then got speed

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it was really good

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just holding attack button lol

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and dash every now and then

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:43 AM

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Yeah Achilles owns bones

junior tinsel Jan 18, 2021, 5:43 AM

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also got the distant hammer

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i was just holding my attack button the whole time and dash from time to time

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lernie heads were like 3 hits

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:45 AM

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Just so you know this little detail: Achilles gives you a damage boost when you teleport and catch it right? That boost last for exactly 4 attacks or casts, so you’ll want to keep count in your head and reapply when it’s time 😉

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 5:52 AM

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misty turret worst keepsake imo is orpheus but that's me

that's the general consensus

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distant memory is eww

half crater Jan 18, 2021, 5:53 AM

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technically better than chaos egg in styx

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but uh

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not much better

daring turtle Jan 18, 2021, 5:54 AM

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I feel like with distant memory, and sniper shot, there should be a constant faint circle around you denoting the range at which they work

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 5:54 AM

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^

half crater Jan 18, 2021, 5:54 AM

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sniper shot does have a marking on the charge indicator

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:55 AM

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That would actually be very nice. Little visual indicator. Akin to Theseus’s Red Cross on us perhaps?

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 5:55 AM

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sniper shot and distant memory should also maybe increase your range

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Chaos egg in Styx is worth +2 Gud from the Flexin boost alone though??

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@slim lynx oof I could see that being an accidental nerf in some places. Rama with a longer charge? They’d have to amend it

half crater Jan 18, 2021, 5:57 AM

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spiral badge Chaos egg in Styx is worth +2 Gud from the Flexin boost alone though??

hmm true you’re right

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chaos egg clearly best keepsake in styx i was wrong

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 5:57 AM

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At least I know I’m not crazy

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I genuinely had a good laugh when the force of primordial chaos and creation itself, the very voice of being, asked you to troll your father with a silly egg

half crater Jan 18, 2021, 6:02 AM

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best quest hands down

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wait how is there no chaos egg emote

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that seems like an oversight

arctic rampart Jan 18, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Chaos giggling at the end is worth

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:19 AM

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laughs in everything

spiral badge Jan 18, 2021, 6:20 AM

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laughs in incomprehensible eldritch madness

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God I just scared myself thinking about that

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Chaos’ real laugh is probably terrifying

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That’s some stuff you hear exactly once

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But back to Untitled Olympian Game

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:22 AM

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i like how chaos occasionally comments while fighting using aspect of chaos

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"Destruction."

ionic phoenix Jan 18, 2021, 6:32 AM

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It's just using the shield. It happens in other aspects as well

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:34 AM

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whats a good build for chaos shield

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i dont have it upgraded

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actually should i get shield or bow hidden aspect

ionic phoenix Jan 18, 2021, 6:36 AM

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If you mean the chaos aspect (the shield is called Shield of Chaos), Zeus special, Dem attack. Can fit in Aphro cast and a good call and try for Zeus/Aphro as well. Another good one is Aphro attack, Dio special.

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As for the hidden aspects, both are good. Shield hidden has a lot of freedom in how to build it, Bow hidden is good with the way that it works

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:37 AM

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doom build on special actually works really well

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:37 AM

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dont u need stack doom tho

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also bow or shield

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i need to know

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:37 AM

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doom doesn't stack??

daring turtle Jan 18, 2021, 6:37 AM

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it only stacks if you have a specific boon

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:37 AM

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yeah

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you need the boon

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still which hidden aspect should i go for

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i have 8 titans blood

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and i'm getting malphon last cuz holy zeus that's gonna be a pain

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:38 AM

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for some reason i decided to max out gilgamesh first

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don't do that

tame bison Jan 18, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Gilgamesh is fine 😛

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:39 AM

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shield it is

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so should i go zeus, doom, or hangover

daring turtle Jan 18, 2021, 6:40 AM

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the maim damage takes way too long to proc - would be nicer if the titan blood upgrades upgraded the damage bonus you get while hitting maimed enemies instead

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:40 AM

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yea or if there was like a daedalus upgrade that shortened the time

coarse moss Jan 18, 2021, 6:40 AM

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i got the hammer that upgrades gilgamesh maim, and did poseidon call. 1200+ per slam

daring turtle Jan 18, 2021, 6:41 AM

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oof nice

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:42 AM

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honestly it kinda annoys me that there's only one hammer upgrade for every hidden aspect EXCEPT lucifer, i wish the others had some more options there

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:43 AM

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what is it with the titan blood upgrades for the hidden aspects being so lame

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lucifer is just more hellfire blast damage

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:43 AM

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the best one is honestly aspect of zagreus fists of malphon

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free dodge chance

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:44 AM

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what should i go with for attack

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im going doom

arctic rampart Jan 18, 2021, 6:44 AM

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what weapon?

slim lynx Jan 18, 2021, 6:44 AM

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fair tree what should i go with for attack

get divine flourish and then divine dash from athena and hope you get merciful end from athena or ares

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:44 AM

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ur shield? i like putting a debuff on the special like doom or hangover and then ideally i get athena on the attack

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or else poseidon

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:45 AM

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i already have ares flourish

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:45 AM

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oh nice

coarse moss Jan 18, 2021, 6:45 AM

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is it beowulf shield? cuz you said hidden aspect earlier

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beowulf is all about cast and the attack/special boons arent that important. more for duo prereqs

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:46 AM

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chaos aspect

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im getting the hidden aspect

coarse moss Jan 18, 2021, 6:46 AM

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oh!

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:47 AM

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i restarted the run so i could go l3 chaos instead of l2 chaos l1 zeus

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cuz i just invested titans blood

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:48 AM

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fair yea

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i like aspect of zeus honestly but that def makes more sense in the moment

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:48 AM

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wth? seed shouldnt have changed right???

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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did u switch keepsakes or something?

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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i got an epic ares special when i didn't before

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no i didn't

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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huh weird

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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is it cuz of the different upgrade path

modest gorge Jan 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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dunno

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:51 AM

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got the waking phrase

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sudden rush, ferocious guard, or breaching rush

coarse moss Jan 18, 2021, 6:52 AM

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nice! best shield aspect unlocked

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:52 AM

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i mean chaos is p good

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which should i take

coarse moss Jan 18, 2021, 6:54 AM

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breach i guess

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armor bad. no flinch

fair tree Jan 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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impending doom or urge to kill

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both epic

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and i have epic doom

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doom

coarse moss Jan 18, 2021, 6:57 AM

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dont like urge to kill

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so go doom